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Speaker 1: You're trusted home for news, sport, entertainment, opinion and Mike

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Speaker 1: the mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing real

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Speaker 1: estate differently since nineteen seventy three News togs Head been.

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Speaker 2: And welcome Today. A new car might get cheaper, but

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Speaker 2: Yoruba probably won't give them the Supreme Court, so we'll

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Speaker 2: look at both those issues. Also, rubber roads are a thing.

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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull, former Australian Prime Minister and through a word

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Speaker 2: after Lake Catherine Field and France Rod Little does the

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Speaker 2: mighty UK for Passki tesday morning. Here we are seven

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Speaker 2: past six. Yes, the Supreme Court. They've ruled in favor

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Speaker 2: of a handful of Uber drivers who wanted to be employees,

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Speaker 2: not contractors. The case was backed by a union. Now

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Speaker 2: here's your trouble. The gig economy is based on freedom

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Speaker 2: of movement, work for whoever you want, whenever you want,

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Speaker 2: work for one, work for two, work for as many

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Speaker 2: as you like. This case potentially messes with that. Making

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Speaker 2: it slightly more complicated is the fact that government has

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Speaker 2: new law working its way through the House trying to

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Speaker 2: define this very issue. Because the reason we are here

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Speaker 2: is because both the appeal Court and the employment caught

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Speaker 2: and now the Supreme Court have decided the drivers have

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Speaker 2: a case. And the reason they have a case is

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Speaker 2: because the law obviously allows it. The trouble is, I

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Speaker 2: don't think that was ever the intent of the gig economy. Now,

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Speaker 2: the drivers, if you followed the case, have protested and

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Speaker 2: done all the usual placard waving about rights and holiday

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Speaker 2: pay and overtime and sickly. But that was never meant

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Speaker 2: to be what the gig economy was about. If you

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Speaker 2: want security, if you want acc cover, don't work for Uber.

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Speaker 2: As far as I know, Uber and the like have

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Speaker 2: never said there were anything other than a provider of

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Speaker 2: the chance to work when you want or not. You

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Speaker 2: can work for whoever you like, however many times you like.

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Speaker 2: You've been in a cap? Is it a cap? Is

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Speaker 2: it an Uber? Is it add is it a bolt?

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Speaker 2: Is it all of them? That's the gig economy And

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Speaker 2: guess what, some people like it that way. That's the

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Speaker 2: freedom of choice. Now the law needs to protect the model. Now,

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Speaker 2: the unions will tell you that people get ripped off

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Speaker 2: and they work long hours, and those long hours are

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Speaker 2: quite too shockingly bad. Hourly wages. Although that might be

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Speaker 2: true or not, but it still doesn't I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: not the point of the model. And if the law

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Speaker 2: wrecked the model, then the law needs to be changed.

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Speaker 2: Now we've seen some of the cases in various parts

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Speaker 2: of the world, of course, and by and large the

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Speaker 2: outcome here is the outcome there. So it may be

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Speaker 2: uber as we know, it isn't long for this world.

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Speaker 2: What was once a disruptor might be a little bit

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Speaker 2: closer to being extinct.

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Speaker 1: Why news of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Meantime, we got a world of paying continuing for Starmer

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Speaker 2: and his crew, and they're desperate attempt to get a

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Speaker 2: legal migration under control that hits the predictable reaction zone.

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Speaker 2: So one reform.

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Speaker 3: She's beginning to sound as though she's she's sort of

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Speaker 3: putting an application for vetting to join reform. If we

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Speaker 3: had said two months ago in our party conference what

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Speaker 3: she said over the weekend, we've been caused all sorts

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Speaker 3: of nasty, beastly.

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Speaker 4: Names and two the tories, we need to remove people

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Speaker 4: who arrive in this country legally, not say we'll give

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Speaker 4: stair twenty years. And if you break into the country,

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Speaker 4: you need to go home.

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Speaker 2: They have another bin striking Birmingham, by the way, with

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Speaker 2: the added problem that the agency people who were filling

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Speaker 2: in have now about to strike themselves.

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Speaker 5: Instead of this strike going backwards if you like, where

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Speaker 5: people are going back into work. What's happening is more

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Speaker 5: people are joining the strike action.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 5: He ballot close today. That gives us a five or

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Speaker 5: six months at mind date that takes into the local

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Speaker 5: elections that the council need to take note.

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Speaker 2: Stage signed a couple of things. You probably heard Old

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Speaker 2: Donald on his way back to DC on Marjorie and

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Speaker 2: all that missy Epstein paperwork.

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Speaker 7: Her life is in danger.

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Speaker 8: Who's that are there defense Marjorie.

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Speaker 7: Trader Grid I don't think your life is in danger.

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Speaker 7: I don't think Frankly, I don't think anybody.

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Speaker 8: Cares about her.

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Speaker 2: And there is a suggestion Trump may open up some

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Speaker 2: talks with Madeira of Venezuela. But the expects of these

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Speaker 2: days in New York would rather simply goes anymore.

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Speaker 9: We didn't leave Venezuela because we wanted to.

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Speaker 1: We fled Madeiro.

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Speaker 6: It's time for him to go.

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Speaker 3: I don't care if he goes to prison, they do

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Speaker 3: something to him or he just goes away to anywhere else.

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Speaker 6: But it's time for him and his government to go.

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Speaker 2: And of Megalandash. Not a good day for the former

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Hassena.

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Speaker 10: Nes to hear.

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Speaker 6: The world was yeses.

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Speaker 2: That is news of the world in ninety defand's economy.

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Speaker 2: What can I can tell you? Domestic consumption helps slow

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Speaker 2: the decline. The economy is going backwards. Not as bad

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Speaker 2: as they thought. They thought two and a half percent

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Speaker 2: year on year. This is it's only four and one

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Speaker 2: point eight percent. But going backwards is not good. I

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Speaker 2: can tell you. That's economics. One O one eleven past.

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Speaker 2: Now Mike Wuirez uberno different to any other self employed industry,

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Speaker 2: for example real estate. Good question. I'll come back to

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Speaker 2: that in the moment. Iran Fingers crossed for the good

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Speaker 2: people of Iran. They're cloud seeding at the moment their

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Speaker 2: largest lakes dried out. It's a salt bed record low

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Speaker 2: for the rainfall. In fact, the rainfall has decreased by

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Speaker 2: eighty nine percent so far this year. So they've hit

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Speaker 2: the clouds with a few chemicals to see what happened

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Speaker 2: and that works. They'll keep doing it until it rains

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Speaker 2: enough to solve their problem. They're going to run out

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Speaker 2: of water. It's their problem. Fourteen minutes past six as

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Speaker 2: it literally run out of water. I'm sure and Partners

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Speaker 2: Andrew Keller Hurt, good morning, very good morning, Mike. That

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Speaker 2: services are just like, I don't know, I mean, forty

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Speaker 2: eight point seven is not what we want to see,

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Speaker 2: of course, but it was up a bit, wasn't it.

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Speaker 11: A little bit little? Yeah, a little bit. We were

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Speaker 11: looking for the quernela, weren't we were because we were

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Speaker 11: looking for the services sector to deliver a little shot

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Speaker 11: in the arm, like the Manufacturing index released on Friday.

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Speaker 6: But disappointed.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, because just going back to that, the pm I

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Speaker 11: improved into expansiony territory on Friday, but the follow up

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Speaker 11: performance of services index, this is the B and Z

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Speaker 11: Business New Zealand one did not move into expansionory territory.

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Speaker 6: You're dead right.

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Speaker 11: Forty eight point seven for October marginally higher, I think,

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Speaker 11: up point four or point three than September.

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Speaker 6: Now the services sector is ugly.

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Speaker 11: More important from the point of view of the aggregate

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Speaker 11: economy is bigger major component of our GDP of total activity. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 11: it has now been in contraction or under fifty now

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Speaker 11: for twenty consecutive months, and as a point of reference,

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Speaker 11: the long term averages fifty two point eight. Looking down

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Speaker 11: into the detail breakdown of the sub indexes, well, none

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Speaker 11: of them are over fifty, so it's sort of quite

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Speaker 11: quite consistent across the sub indexes.

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Speaker 6: So tough times continue for businesses in the services sector.

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Speaker 11: But might let's channel the glass half full vibe and

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Speaker 11: activity sales the sub innext forty eight point nine. It

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Speaker 11: is the highest value for that measure since January, so

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Speaker 11: it's still contractionary, it's still weak, but it's less bad

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Speaker 11: than it has been. The new Orders index four and

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Speaker 11: a half. Put the two indexes together, the PMI the PSI,

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Speaker 11: you get the concert index has been improving, just very

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Speaker 11: very slowly. GDP weighted forty nine point one. Look, Mike,

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Speaker 11: it feels like we're getting there, but we're just not quite.

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Speaker 2: There yet unless you're the Real Estate Institute of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand headline springers here is it?

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Speaker 6: Well, yes, it is.

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Speaker 11: The thing is spring spring always spruns at this.

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Speaker 6: Time of year, so yeah, a fair bit of data.

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Speaker 11: Yes to actually said, this is Real Estate Institute of

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Speaker 11: New Zealand Housing Market numbers four October. I always look

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Speaker 11: at the housing price index because it smooths out the

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Speaker 11: composition issues of the sales data. Nationwide, year on year,

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Speaker 11: the housing price index has increased zero point three percent,

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Speaker 11: which in my terminology that sideways Auckland year on thefl

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Speaker 11: zero point seven. The rest of New Zealand are zero

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Speaker 11: point three. Top three regions in the last year, Mike, Southland,

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Speaker 11: Bay of Plenty in Canterbury sort of no real surprises there.

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Speaker 11: I think what they're saying, Mike is if you look

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Speaker 11: at the shorter term, sort of time frame, we'd expect

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Speaker 11: to see seasonality kicking in prices tend to improve, activity

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Speaker 11: improves leading into summer. That is happening. We have seen

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Speaker 11: sequential improvement in the national index. You can see it

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Speaker 11: in the Auckland numbers. Now unadjusted Aucland's up two point

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Speaker 11: six percent in the last three months.

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Speaker 6: The Sunny North Shore actually like up five point two percent.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go, But once you seasonally adjust those

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Speaker 11: it does look less frothy. I mean, over all, the

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Speaker 11: as it's closer to zero. But Mike, sales are lifting

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four numbers. And this

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Speaker 11: is the unfortunate thing that at the same time, inventory,

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Speaker 6: Listed, that's also lifting.

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Speaker 11: So we need the sales to lift, we need to

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Speaker 11: chip away at the inventory. So look, I think sideways

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Speaker 11: for the housing market for a while yet. But maybe Mike,

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Speaker 11: just maybe the bias of risk is shifting to the upside,

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Speaker 11: and I think twenty twenty six we'll see positive price section.

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Speaker 11: You have got the tailwinds of lower mortgage rates, the

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Speaker 11: fact that we haven't the transmission of monetary policy hasn't

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Speaker 11: completely finished yet.

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Speaker 6: But we're sort of lacking that historical impulse.

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Speaker 2: That's true. I reckon house prices are going to go

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Speaker 2: up seven percent, and twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 6: We just doubled down.

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Speaker 2: Why not when you've dug a hole one not dig

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Speaker 2: a bit deeper. So prices yesterday? How about the power prices?

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Speaker 6: Eh?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's the fly in the ointment isn't it. So

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Speaker 11: we had the two bits of inflation doe. Yes day,

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Speaker 11: household inflation expectation survey tracks well.

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Speaker 6: Above the CPI, but it's coming down. That's the point.

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Speaker 11: So if I look at the one year, two year,

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Speaker 11: what their household think that their inflation expectations are falling,

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Speaker 11: that's good. Also, yesterday selected price indexes overall prices.

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Speaker 6: Study a little bit weaker than expected.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, electricity eleven point eight percent, but the pace of

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Speaker 11: games is slowing. Gas fourteen point four percent. But they're

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Speaker 11: both starting to slow down. There's nothing in these numbers. Yes,

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Speaker 11: data challenge the expectation that Q four CPI could come

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Speaker 6: Under three percent.

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Speaker 2: Lay some numbers on me.

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Speaker 11: Forty seven thousand, one hundred and thirteen.

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Speaker 6: That's the Dow Jones.

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Speaker 11: It's down thirty three points zero point point zero seven fall,

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Speaker 11: so not much. The S and P five hundreds up

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Speaker 11: nine points six seven four to two, and the Nasdaq

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Speaker 11: is up twenty one points, also not much. Twenty two thousand,

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Speaker 2: At b Yeah, the Hassena thing in Bangladesh is significant,

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Speaker 7: Out of people in seal training, they don't realize the

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Speaker 7: It's not part of the curriculum right to become a

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Speaker 2: Mike Waiazuba. No different self employed. Well, the key there

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Speaker 2: A sabotagejehn Poland's railway. The main line that links Warsaw

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Speaker 2: or seven. Not a great day for Ruber as the

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Speaker 2: Like a number of other cases internationally, the move appears

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Speaker 2: the gig economy and its inherent freedoms has been judicially

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Speaker 2: sliced to pieces. Brook van Velden is Workplace Relations Minister

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Speaker 2: and it's with us. Good morning, good morning mate. Do

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Speaker 2: you have a problem here.

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Speaker 12: Oh, look, one thing I know that we have a

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Speaker 2: Do you have an amount of clarity that would allow

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Speaker 12: What will happen is I'm not intending things to be retrospective,

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Speaker 12: Does the worker have any restrictions from working for others?

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Speaker 12: If so, then no. Does the business terminate the agreement

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Speaker 12: And is the worker required to be available for certain times.

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Speaker 12: But if they are, can they subcontract the work? And

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Speaker 2: Tricky part for this case, and I find it fascinating,

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Speaker 2: They want to jerymander the whole thing, and they've been

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Speaker 12: Look, I don't. I look at it and fully respect

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Speaker 12: bit more certainty. And there is what's called a Section

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Speaker 12: It's called of the relationship. I would say that that's

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Speaker 12: If they meet this gateway test, then it's not an

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Speaker 2: So what I'm asking really is, you don't see what

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Speaker 2: do you see this indivenduous and therefore it's a potential

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Speaker 12: Look, I think they have abided by what the law

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Nice to talk to you, appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Book ban Velden, who has the workplace relations and Safety

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Speaker 2: about these people? These are good questions. I think Brook

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Speaker 2: explained it fairly, clearly and simply, and if you can

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Speaker 2: get that across the line, there should be some genuine clarity.

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Speaker 2: But the workplace is changing and breeding. This a company

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Speaker 2: called Byte Direct, which runs appliances Direct. This is in

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Speaker 2: the UK. The boss, they're the biggest online retailer in

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Speaker 2: the country. He says two thirds of his workforce are

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Speaker 2: going because of AI. Two thirds of his workforce are

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Speaker 2: going because of AI. So the world is changing.

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Speaker 13: Six to forty five International correspondence with ins and Eye

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Speaker 13: Insurance Peace of Mind for New Zealand businesspron How are you?

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Speaker 14: I'm fine, Thank you mag thanks for asking.

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Speaker 2: Now the railway line, what happened here? Who's responsible? And

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Speaker 2: what's TUSK gonna do about it.

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Speaker 14: Oh well, yes, this has been a rather difficult weekend

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Speaker 14: in Poland. There have been two unprecedented acts of sabotage

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Speaker 14: on the railway lines there.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 14: Both of these sabotage acts were on critical railway lines

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Speaker 14: that used to carry aid deliveries to Ukraine. So you

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Speaker 14: can imagine who the first thought which would be responsible

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Speaker 14: for these attacks. Who they think it would be. They

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Speaker 14: haven't officially said that they suspect Moscow's behind the attacks,

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Speaker 14: but they are talking about it. What we saw with

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Speaker 14: the biggest one of course, was intended to blow up

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Speaker 14: a train. The train wasn't there, but a big section

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Speaker 14: of the track was exploded. We had another incident also

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Speaker 14: on that main railway line that goes into Ukraine, where

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Speaker 14: an overheadline forced an emergency top of a passenger trained

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Speaker 14: four hundred and seventy odd passengers on board. So they're

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Speaker 14: very concerned about this. Obviously in Poland, there's going to

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Speaker 14: be National Security Council meeting there on Tuesday morning. A

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Speaker 14: big problem. Of course, they do have that huge border

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Speaker 14: with Ukraine, and of course they.

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Speaker 2: Have that long one hundred and twenty kilometer.

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Speaker 14: Long railway line that she's used to take all this vital,

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Speaker 14: vital food and other need into Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: H Actually, speaking of Ukraine, Zelenski I noticed over the

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Speaker 2: weekend was in Greeceed doing a gas deal. Now he's

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Speaker 2: in Paris doing a plane deal. So outline that, but

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Speaker 2: also work in this business. How serious is the the

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Speaker 2: kickbacks alleged for as Justice and Energy minister.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, these are allegations that millions of dollars has been

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Speaker 14: embezzled by individuals they say can to Ukraine's energy sect

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Speaker 14: in the allegation is that something between ten and fifteen

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Speaker 14: percent of total contracts will demanded in kickbacks. That would

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Speaker 14: be to avoid delays or losing contractors status. Now the

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Speaker 14: thing is here is it is Mike, some of these

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Speaker 14: contracts related to that vital construction of protective structures to

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Speaker 14: shield Ukraine's energy infrastructure from Russian attacks. So two Ukrainian

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Speaker 14: ministers have resigned over the scandal. Both deny involvement. However,

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Speaker 14: it is sticking around Zelensky, and when he came to

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Speaker 14: Paris this morning, Emanuel man Cromol had to make a

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Speaker 14: statement saying that he believes Zolensky can successfully bring corruption

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Speaker 14: in his country under control. It's always been a big problem,

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Speaker 14: particularly also for the EU when they've been handing out

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Speaker 14: huge sums of money to Ukraine that it does have

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Speaker 14: a history of corruption. But nevertheless, yeah, you're quite right.

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Speaker 14: Zelensky has been in Paris signing an agreement to buy

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Speaker 14: one hundred Raphael fighter jets. Now this is, if you like,

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Speaker 14: this is France's crown jewels of combat aircraft. Questioners though, Mike,

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Speaker 14: when will they get them?

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Speaker 2: How will they pay for them?

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Speaker 14: Well, it takes three years to build one of these jets,

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Speaker 14: takes five years to train the pilots, so obviously France

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Speaker 14: is looking at something further down the road. Each of

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Speaker 14: these fighter jets cost around sixteen billion New Zealand dollars,

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Speaker 14: so looking at a lot of very expensive kit but

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Speaker 14: also not forgetting Mike, you know that Zilensky's as it

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Speaker 14: comes at a real crucial time for him.

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Speaker 2: Winters come.

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Speaker 14: Russians are slowly edging into new parts of Ukraine, and

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Speaker 14: everyone's now realized that US President Donald Trump has not

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Speaker 14: managed to get putin to the negotiating table.

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Speaker 2: No, here's not this German things. Are we living in

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Speaker 2: a world which this can go down? Well, so the

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Speaker 2: new government in Germany, they've got one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: two thousand troops in the army. They want to build

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Speaker 2: Europe's biggest standing army. They want to boost the two

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand, So the eighteen year olds are

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Speaker 2: going to have to front up. Can you say to

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Speaker 2: an eighteen year old German kid, we'll grab you for

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Speaker 2: the army for a while. Is that how the world

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Speaker 2: works these days? Well, it may well be.

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Speaker 14: It's not unusual, but in Europe to still have conscription,

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Speaker 14: Mike here, a lot of those northern countries bordering Russia

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Speaker 14: still has conscription. Of Finland, Norway, Lithuania, Sweden, they all

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Speaker 14: have it. What the Germans are saying is the world

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Speaker 14: is different now and they need to have recruits with

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Speaker 14: a willingness to serve. What they're going to do at

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Speaker 14: the moment is have voluntary conscription. But everyone's got to

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Speaker 14: come forward, so you've got a register. Another way of

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Speaker 14: making it more attractive is they're going to up the pay,

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Speaker 14: So they're looking at having something between five thousand dollars

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Speaker 14: a month and five five hundred dollars a month and

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Speaker 14: also perhaps being able to sort of, if you like,

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Speaker 14: out of your conscriptions. So rather than signing up for

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Speaker 14: the full two years, maybe just sign up for six months,

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Speaker 14: then you go back to civilian life, then you go

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Speaker 14: back for another six months.

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Speaker 2: So this is what they're hoping.

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Speaker 14: But as you said, Mike, it's a real sign of

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Speaker 14: the times.

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Speaker 15: Now in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a pleasure, Catherine. Catch up with you soon,

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field out of Europe. I must ask a question

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Speaker 2: sometimes about the frozen assets. Remember they're freezing the assets

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Speaker 2: of the Russians and they're eventually going to start paying

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Speaker 2: for everything with a frozen asset. And they had a

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Speaker 2: meeting about that the other day, but I can't remember

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Speaker 2: what happened. So I'll do some research and come back

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Speaker 2: to you. At ten to seven, the.

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Speaker 1: Mic Husking Breakfast with Alveda Retirement Communities News togs.

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Speaker 2: Had been like the pros n assets have been stopped

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Speaker 2: by Euroclear in the Belgian government as they realize it's

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Speaker 2: illegal to steal someone else's stuff. Grant that's debatable, of course.

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Speaker 2: Funny there's a group that has been working on Putin's office.

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Speaker 2: He's got three officers, but you're not supposed to know that.

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Speaker 2: So whenever he does something from his office. They say

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Speaker 2: he's in Moscow, but he might or might not be,

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Speaker 2: but they look identical. But this group has been working

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Speaker 2: for years, thousands of hours of video footage, and they've

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Speaker 2: seen a couple of things that give them away. One

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Speaker 2: of them is the door handle height, and one of

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Speaker 2: them's were the PowerPoint on the walls. And if you

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Speaker 2: look really closely in different offices, you can work that.

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Speaker 2: The idea is he's somewhere you don't know, so you

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Speaker 2: don't blow them up.

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Speaker 8: It's a sixplays a lot because I've always thought it

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Speaker 8: looks like something out of a nineteen seventy sitcom.

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Speaker 16: Six.

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Speaker 2: It's a cent five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: All the ins and the ouse. It's the Fiz with

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Speaker 1: business Faber take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Supermarket got the prices yesterday. Prices up four point seven

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Speaker 2: percent compared with last October. Now that's good because it

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Speaker 2: was five percent, so we're getting there. Grocery sector biggest

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Speaker 2: increases four point nine meat, poultry, fish, seven point six bad.

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Speaker 2: Average price for two liters of milk based on the

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Speaker 2: cheapest available option for seventy eight, which is up thirteen

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Speaker 2: and a half percent. Instant coffee up twenty five and

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Speaker 2: a half percent to seven eighty eight. If I get

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Speaker 2: timing out to tell you about my coffee experience, I'm

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Speaker 2: roasting my own beans. Super exciting changer, life changer. I've

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Speaker 2: never been the same. Cheese up thirty percent seven eighty eight,

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Speaker 2: Eggs up eighteen and a half percent to ten bucks

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Speaker 2: a dozen or thereabouts a monthly basis, as I say,

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Speaker 2: are zero point three percent down. So we are getting

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Speaker 2: their vegies. I don't know why we do vegis. It's

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Speaker 2: all seasonal. Sometimes they're up, sometimes they're down. Kiwi fruit's

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Speaker 2: up forty eight percent. For God's sake, apples are up

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Speaker 2: seven foodstuffs weighed and they said, look at our cabbages.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen our cabbages. They're up sixty five percent. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's the obvious answer there? Don't buy cabbages.

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Speaker 2: Who likes cabbage anyway, so don't buy them. A leg

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Speaker 2: a lamb up forty one percent. Drinking chocolate up thirty

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Speaker 2: one percent. That's the chocolate problem, of course. Cheese up

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Speaker 2: thirty percent. God, this is depressing your power bill up

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Speaker 2: one million percent, rates up five thousand percent. Olive oil

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Speaker 2: is down here you go. Olive oil is down twenty percent,

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Speaker 2: so they've rained in Spain falls mainly on the plane,

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Speaker 2: which means the olive oil price goes down. Capsicums down

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Speaker 2: twenty four percent. Bargain and the capsucums. I'm growing my

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Speaker 2: own capsicums. Two, I'm racing their own beans. I'm growing

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Speaker 2: own capskins, homegrown capsicums. Oh my god, unbelievable. Also, I'm

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Speaker 2: growing weird, growing our own salary, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: a waste of time. I thought this is going to

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Speaker 2: be a disaster. But we're pulling up the salary absolutely delicious, unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Kumra is down fourteen percent. By the way, grow your

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Speaker 2: own stuff, folks, That's what I say. Get yourself off grid.

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Speaker 2: You'll never look back. Chris Bishop funny as yesterday talk

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Speaker 2: about cars in a moment.

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Speaker 1: Credible, compelling. The breakfast show you can't miss. It's the

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Speaker 1: Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Defender. Embrace the impossible news,

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Speaker 1: Tom Send.

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Speaker 2: Seven past seven is a big move on the cost

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Speaker 2: of importing cars. The government slashing emissions charges, the Clean

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Speaker 2: Vehicle Standard, which basically gives you credits for evs and

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Speaker 2: a bill for v eights is going to get heavily

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Speaker 2: reduced to saving of around two hundred and sixty million

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Speaker 2: dollars while they sort of work out what to do next.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop is the Transport Minister and is with us morning.

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Speaker 17: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I was watching you yes yesterday and this is not

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Speaker 2: a criticism of you, but you look like you had

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Speaker 2: a headache. And this is what you get when your

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Speaker 2: jurymandera market, isn't.

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Speaker 18: It Well, it's a complicated you do not the first

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Speaker 18: business say that. Actually it's a complicated situation. And trying

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Speaker 18: to explain to people exactly how it works. It's like explaining,

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Speaker 18: you know, algorithmic chess or something. It is hard because

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Speaker 18: you've got these credits and these penalties. I mean, the

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Speaker 18: short point is basically the standard is too onerous. And

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Speaker 18: that's after we made some changes by the way, from

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Speaker 18: the last So the last guy's introduced this labor introduced

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Speaker 18: at twenty twenty three. We made some changes in twenty

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Speaker 18: four to bring it into a line with Australia. Everyone

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Speaker 18: thought that would be working, it would be a sensible solution.

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Speaker 18: It didn't because the bottom's falling out of the EV

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Speaker 18: market and there are real supply constraints coming out of

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Speaker 18: Japan in particular, so the importers just can't get the

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Speaker 18: supply to bring them to the market, and when they

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Speaker 18: can bring them in, Keywis don't really want them at

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Speaker 18: the moment. So you've got all of these importers have

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Speaker 18: got massive amount of penalties, eighty six percent are in

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Speaker 18: a penalty position, and they just don't have the supply

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Speaker 18: to bring the credits in. So that will all flow

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Speaker 18: through to consumers on the first of January next year

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Speaker 18: unless we do something.

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Speaker 2: But can you explain is there another market out there

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Speaker 2: where a government imposes themselves on a person who imports

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Speaker 2: a product that people don't want. I mean, what sort

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Speaker 2: of markets that.

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Speaker 18: Well, most countries have a form of this, so not

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Speaker 18: a clean vehicle standard. Well, most countries don't do it

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Speaker 18: in the complicated way we do it. They just have

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Speaker 18: a you've got to meet various different fuel economy standards.

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Speaker 18: So that's partly what we want to do over the

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Speaker 18: next six months. Well, we are going to do a

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Speaker 18: short term fix relieve pressure on people, and then we're

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Speaker 18: going to have a proper look at it. And the

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Speaker 18: actual industry supports it.

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Speaker 17: This is the thing.

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Speaker 18: So the vehicle they used vehicle guys and the clean

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Speaker 18: the new car people support having a standard, they just

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Speaker 18: want it to be a sensible one.

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Speaker 2: So we just got to figure out what that is.

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Speaker 2: Have you figured it out in your mind? I mean,

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Speaker 2: because I can't figure it out, because here's the problem.

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Speaker 2: I know when I want to buy as a car.

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Speaker 2: I'm the punter. I've got the money. I know when

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Speaker 2: I want to buy as a car. Right, So the

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Speaker 2: car I drive to work this morning's a V eight

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Speaker 2: and I like driving a V eight and that's what

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Speaker 2: I do. So you can import what you want. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to buy what I want. And that's your conundrum,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: And it's the next question is how much do you

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Speaker 18: care about the emissions of the V eight mic?

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Speaker 2: Not remote? How much do you couldn't care?

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Speaker 18: Well, fair enough, but the country's got obligations around it,

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Speaker 18: and you know we've got we've got to know, over

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Speaker 18: time reduce emissions. But then you say, well, actually we've

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Speaker 18: got an a missions trading scheme to do that. So

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Speaker 18: do you actually need a clean vehicle standard on top

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Speaker 18: of that, because you've already got the emissions trading scheme

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Speaker 18: so when you fill your car up, you pay petrol

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Speaker 18: tax right when you pay, and you also pay quite

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Speaker 18: a high carbon charge. You probably don't actually you know,

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Speaker 18: you don't actually pay that at the pump, but you

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Speaker 18: are like because the price you pay is higher, and

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Speaker 18: so you know, you say, well, do you actually need

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Speaker 18: a separate mechanism?

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Speaker 2: So we're just going to go through all those conversations.

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Speaker 18: There are good arguments for and against each of them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there are, what do you think? And I know

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Speaker 2: you gave the Russia example yesterday and they're the only

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Speaker 2: people without one, So you don't want to be aligned

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Speaker 2: with Russia? But is there anything actually just forget your

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Speaker 2: your obsession with Paris and twenty fifty and all that stuff,

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Speaker 2: just for a moment, just as a libertarian, as a

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Speaker 2: free thinker, is there any reason why you wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: done the whole thing completely and just let people get

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Speaker 2: on with life. I just lost you there to say

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Speaker 2: that again, oh whatever, the old tricky question at the

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Speaker 2: end of the interview, and you're lost.

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Speaker 19: I just lost you.

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Speaker 2: I'm going around the going round the bays.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I lost you at your obsession with Paris, which

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Speaker 18: we're not assessed with by the way.

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Speaker 2: But well, yeah, but what I'm saying, why wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: because was because Russia is the only one in the

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Speaker 2: world without one. So I get that part. But what's

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Speaker 2: to stop you just dropping it and making life simple

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Speaker 2: for everybody?

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Speaker 18: Well, one practical complication is that there's a whole bunch

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Speaker 18: of people with penalties and some people with credits they

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Speaker 18: don't expire all to twenty twenty eight, and so they

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Speaker 18: are a properly right right, you know, they sit on

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Speaker 18: people's balance sheets. So you're trying so I'm picking that, well,

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Speaker 18: I'm picking that as difficult. I'm not saying it's impossible.

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Speaker 18: We're just going to work our way through that. It's

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Speaker 18: not impossible, but you know there's some complications to it.

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Speaker 18: Having inherited this dog of a scheme, we're now having

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Speaker 18: to fix it and that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate your time, Chris Buship. It's pretty you

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Speaker 2: didn't have a second tune to go through. Hey, going

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Speaker 2: around the base eleven minutes past seven, assuming is in Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got a new reportant of the geopolitical I'll

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Speaker 2: explain that car thing because I bit you if you're

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Speaker 2: not into cars. You go, what the hell was that

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Speaker 2: interview all about? And how does it work? But I'll

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Speaker 2: come back to it later. We got a new reportant

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Speaker 2: of the geopolitical forces shape in global architecture agriculture rather

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Speaker 2: rabobankers warning us next to you could mark a new

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Speaker 2: era where traditional market forces no longer fully dictate prices

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Speaker 2: or production. So, Sarah, the show of courses as you

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Speaker 2: it's trying to stand off at the moment, and there

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Speaker 2: are among beans or soy beans or whatever they're arguing over.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jacqueline Rowath is NA A junct professor and agroscience

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Speaker 2: Lincoln University. Jacqueline, good morning to you.

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Speaker 20: Good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Now is this any different from what we deal with

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Speaker 2: at the moment? I mean, geopolitics is a major for

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Speaker 2: I mean we saw it with beef over the weekend

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Speaker 2: from Donald Trump, didn't we.

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Speaker 21: Well, that's all part of it. And I think that

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Speaker 21: we've been through a period of actual relative calm in

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Speaker 21: terms of geopolitics. But we're going back to the olden

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Speaker 21: days sort of pre the nineteen forty five era. We've

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Speaker 21: got huge swings about powers and our major strength is

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Speaker 21: that we are trusted we're still forced on the Transparency

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Speaker 21: International Index. People trust us to do what we say

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Speaker 21: will do, so they will continue to negotiate with us.

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Speaker 21: And of course we produce quick product.

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Speaker 2: Yes we do, and people want beef, and so we

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Speaker 2: sell more beef to the Americans. What about the soybean

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Speaker 2: situation in Minnesota. I mean, if you're a soybean farmer

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota and Trump's running the place and they're not

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Speaker 2: getting it, what do you do? How do you plant?

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Speaker 2: How do you plan?

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Speaker 21: It's very difficult for them, and that does affect the

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Speaker 21: feed prices for the animals that they have in barns

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Speaker 21: over in the USA. It also affects a course they're

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Speaker 21: trade with China. So we watch those interactions with extreme

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Speaker 21: interest while thinking what it might mean for New Zealand

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Speaker 21: and dairy products. Will it be more desirable if things

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Speaker 21: over there are more expensive or will it be less

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Speaker 21: so because Trump will probably start subsidizing things for the farmers. Absolutely,

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Speaker 21: they've got problems this is over in America.

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Speaker 17: But what can we say?

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Speaker 21: Trump changes his mind all the time, as we saw

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Speaker 21: over the weekend, and that's that is just when they

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Speaker 21: elected him.

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Speaker 2: Than well exactly, and you can't plan for that sort

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Speaker 2: of thing. And we've seen grain with Ukraine and the war,

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Speaker 2: so you never know when a war is So what

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Speaker 2: we're suggesting is the more unstable the planet is, the

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Speaker 2: more uncertain doing businesses.

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Speaker 21: Yes, absolutely, And there are other implications with all this uncertainty,

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Speaker 21: things like fertilizers, agrochemicals. Have been some concerned about that

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Speaker 21: in New Zealand, and that makes our products more difficult

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Speaker 21: to produce. So this whole uncertainty, that's why people are

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Speaker 21: saying we should diversify. But we must remember that we're

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Speaker 21: the best producers, least impact producers of highest quality animal

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Speaker 21: protein and people need animal protein for their health. So

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Speaker 21: we're in a good position because of that. And we're small, Mike,

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Speaker 21: We're just small, and and.

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Speaker 2: We're agile because of it. Jackvill and always a pleasure

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Speaker 2: to have you on the program. Jacquelin Row with Edgent,

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Speaker 2: professor and negroscience at Lincoln University. I think overall will

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Speaker 2: be okay, and that might totally agrea. I've got a

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Speaker 2: good crop of Jersey Beni's coming along nicely for Christmas. Mike,

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Speaker 2: have been thinking about roasting my own beans. What roasting

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Speaker 2: technique are you using hah, I'll come back to that, Mike,

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Speaker 2: scorched armonds of double and price to ten dollars. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's the lesson donate them.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen past the Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: Welcome Turnabill former Australian Prime Minister after right for you.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen past seven change coming to the road. Sellyn District

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Speaker 2: Council about to trail a new rubber road surface which

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Speaker 2: is a first for the country State Highway seventy seven's

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Speaker 2: Glen Tunnel. It's going to be using recycled rubber granules.

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Speaker 20: Now.

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Speaker 2: Brad Piece is the CEO of Treadlight New Zealand, Anders

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Speaker 2: with us. Brad morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 10: Have we taking me on the show?

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Speaker 2: Not at all, great pleasure. We talked before because I've

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Speaker 2: done a number of interviews about this and I feel

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Speaker 2: that this has been on the bubble for a while.

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it is in Mike, I know that you've certainly

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Speaker 10: had a chat with the Dale Rose and her team

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Speaker 10: from Thaiwise, the government stewardship that's been pushing this along

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Speaker 10: for fifteen years now, and now we're seeing to get

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Speaker 10: in traction fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So the rubber is literally about to hit the road.

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Speaker 10: We've been working really hard on this. You know, we're

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Speaker 10: coming to Alive from Cambridge, which is the heart of

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Speaker 10: innovation for New Zealand, and we've got a fantastic team

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Speaker 10: down here. We've invested, we're good to go. We're taken

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Speaker 10: away all the barriers to get it done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how much are you going to lay initially

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Speaker 2: and at what price? And how long does it last

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Speaker 2: compared with what we normally use.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So we've been working with a team down in

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Speaker 10: christ It so they've been fantastic. I think our visionaries

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Speaker 10: down there, they're looking at ways to it different. The

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Speaker 10: sciences and rubber and roads has been around for a

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Speaker 10: long long time globally and I've kind of grabbed it

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Speaker 10: down there and looking to do things differently. So when

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Speaker 10: they rub a road, when they put the rubber down

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Speaker 10: into the road, they use about a ten percent mix

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Speaker 10: of rubber granule into it and that gives the road.

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Speaker 10: It makes it quieter, large, it's about twenty percent longer,

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Speaker 10: and it's using a valuable resource that we're taking out

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Speaker 10: a landfills and giving another life.

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Speaker 2: So how long's the trial for? I mean you put

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Speaker 2: a bit of road down west of Darfield, you see

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Speaker 2: if it works. Assuming it does, are we often running

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Speaker 2: all over the country or not?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, we believe.

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Speaker 10: So we've taken away all the barriers that there's no

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Speaker 10: reason why now the contractors shouldn't be doing us. It's

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Speaker 10: standard for Australia, South Africa, the US, Canada standard fear now,

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Speaker 10: so this isn't new technology. This is just New Zealand

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Speaker 10: catching up.

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Speaker 2: We're just getting on with it. Brad pc I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you time very much. Brad Pus, who's the CEO of

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Speaker 2: tread Light from Cambridge? This morning the Home of Innovation.

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Speaker 2: We got a well it's not a new political party,

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Speaker 2: but they seem to have changed their name and they

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Speaker 2: changed their policy as well. So i'll outline this week

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Speaker 2: seven twenty four, welcome back opportunity. I think I've got

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Speaker 2: that part right. Opportunity is the former the Opportunities Party.

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Speaker 2: They've dropped the V and the party and now it's

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Speaker 2: just Opportunity, new leader, new tax policy. They've been looking

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00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: for a leader for ages, even advertised if you remember.

881
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: None of this is a good sign, of course. Their

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Speaker 2: biggest problem, as far as I can work out, as

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Speaker 2: the market is full, there is no room for another

884
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Speaker 2: political party right here in this country. There's no room

885
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: ten years ago. There's even less room now. You could argue.

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00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't, but you could that as the MMP environment

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Speaker 2: evolves and matures, some nuance is sought by a frustrated electorate,

888
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: a boutique operator, if you will, as the major parties fade,

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00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: and that's already happened, of course, the days of National

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00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 2: Labour cracking forty are well gone. The days of even

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Speaker 2: a two party government might well be gone as well.

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Speaker 2: So as it all fragment, surely there must be room

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Speaker 2: for a small operator wedging its way in between, say

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Speaker 2: National and Labor, as a sort of midway, subtle alternati.

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Speaker 2: Trouble is and I argue this years ago when Gareth

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Speaker 2: Morgan was running the joint. Five percent is actually a

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Speaker 2: lot of votes and very few of any cracket. Look

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Speaker 2: at acts journey for years. They needed a deal in

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Speaker 2: EPSOM to work the system in that coattail. There's a

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Speaker 2: reason Unit had vanished. What they should have done is

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Speaker 2: run Morgan in an electorate. Name recognition would have helped.

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Speaker 2: He may have got the seat, got two percent, had

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Speaker 2: a party of two or three MP's. Being in and

904
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Speaker 2: staying in is easier than getting there in the first place.

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Speaker 2: And here's the other issue. Nuance is not what we

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Speaker 2: do anymore. That's why radicals are gaining support all over

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Speaker 2: the world, from Hanson and Australia to the minor players

908
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Speaker 2: who make up governments and places like Holland and Germany.

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Speaker 2: You need to be more left or right than center.

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Speaker 2: Could we also argue, actually that New Zealand First is

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Speaker 2: centrist given they're the only party that can legitimately at

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Speaker 2: the moment anyway claim the ability to deal with either

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Speaker 2: national or Labor. So the field's taken. So good on

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Speaker 2: them for keeping the opportunity dream alive. I guess still

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Speaker 2: here after a decade. I guess either visionaries whose time

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Speaker 2: is yet to come or dreamers who can't read the room.

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Speaker 2: Asking Mike, you should care about your car emissions.

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Speaker 10: Why what for?

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Speaker 2: You don't know my footprint. My footprint and other aspects

920
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: of my life might offset my carbon emissions. I may

921
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Speaker 2: indulge in carbon emissions from a car, but offset by

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Speaker 2: I don't know, grawing my own vegetables at home and

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Speaker 2: roasting my own coffee beans. You see, and wandering around

924
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: barefoot looking like a homeless person. Mike, that was an

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Speaker 2: expert level dodging by Chris Bishop. Please keep asking questions,

926
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Speaker 2: so Paris is pointless and costing his books. Thing about

927
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Speaker 2: old Christopher yesterday, I don't think and he's a bright guy,

928
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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. It's not a criticism. Even he

929
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Speaker 2: was struggling to explain what the system is. And here's

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00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: the fundamental problem with the system. Importers of cars are

931
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Speaker 2: either pinged or they're given credits. But they're given credits

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Speaker 2: to bring in things we don't want. And there is

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Speaker 2: no business model in the world where you are rewarded

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Speaker 2: for bringing in things you can't sell because that it's

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Speaker 2: not a market. It's stupid. It's there's an ev Look

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Speaker 2: at it. Isn't that beautiful? Well, yes it is. Do

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Speaker 2: you want to buy it?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't. But I get credits for bringing them in,

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Speaker 2: and I, as a customer, goes, so what, I'm not

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Speaker 2: buying your car, Give me a V eight. Oh, but

942
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Speaker 2: I get charged to bring in a V eight. I

943
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Speaker 2: don't care. I want a V eight. You've got to

944
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Speaker 2: meet the market. That's how markets work. In the moment,

945
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Speaker 2: you juryman to the market because you went to Paris

946
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Speaker 2: a decade ago. That's when you get yourself in trouble.

947
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Speaker 2: And that's why they've got the problem they've got at

948
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Speaker 2: the moment. Let's talk to the coppers in just a second.

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Speaker 1: No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The My Hosking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate Doing real estate differently since

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three News togsadvs.

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Speaker 2: B michae Willers lawd change, be retrospective and affect other companies.

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Speaker 2: Gary Good question, this is going back to uber Yes

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Speaker 2: and no. The government has already said no, we don't

955
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Speaker 2: do retrospectivity, which is wise of a government. But a

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Speaker 2: new law in and of itself, if you think about it,

957
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Speaker 2: becomes retrospective, doesn't it, Because suddenly it's the law of

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Speaker 2: the land and people have to adhere to it. Twenty

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Speaker 2: three minutes away from eight welcome turnables in the country.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a word with him after eight to tight

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Speaker 2: this morning. Meantime, we're up to phase three of the

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Speaker 2: Police and Health New Zealand's move on their mental health

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Speaker 2: response program. So Phase three is the ship to health

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Speaker 2: led handling. That's police only attending true emergencies.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson as the Assistant Police Commissioner on this one

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Speaker 2: and he's with us.

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Speaker 9: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Morning to you morning, Mike, how would you assess phase

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Speaker 2: one and two?

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Speaker 16: Look, I think those phases have worked well. What we've

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Speaker 16: seen is seventy five percent reduction and mental health patients

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Speaker 16: in our selves for assessment firstly, and our calls for

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Speaker 16: service we've seen we are at about five and a

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Speaker 16: half thousand calls for service in the last month compared

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Speaker 16: to a year ago which was about six four hundred,

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Speaker 16: which just gives you an idea of the volumes that

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Speaker 16: we're working with here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it was time being wasted or have other

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Speaker 2: people in the ensuing period stepped in to do what

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Speaker 2: you were doing.

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Speaker 16: Look, time hasn't been wasted from a police perspective, absolutely,

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Speaker 16: because we've got our staff, our police officers out there

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Speaker 16: doing the work that the public expects that only we

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Speaker 16: can do with the tools.

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Speaker 2: No, that's what I meant by the question was when

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Speaker 2: you were sitting in an ed ward for six hours

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Speaker 2: and nothing was actually happening, and you were just waiting

989
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Speaker 2: for something to you know, and now you're out in

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Speaker 2: the field. Were you wasting your time sitting in the

991
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Speaker 2: ed war doing nothing going nowhere?

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Speaker 16: Well, it wasn't advancing the safety of our communities. It

993
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Speaker 16: wasn't from a police perspective, doing what I believe and

994
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Speaker 16: police believe we need our officers to do. I think

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Speaker 16: the community expects that others have stepped in mic and Look,

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Speaker 16: change is always hard, and mental health is a very

997
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Speaker 16: difficult topic. Having worked with this or my career, but

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Speaker 16: also what have focused on this more recently obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's a true emergency quote unquote, Yeah, well.

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Speaker 16: This is an interesting one. We're seeing that the rhetoric

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Speaker 16: around this. Look, we will I just want to be

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Speaker 16: really clear on this because it's really important. Police will

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Speaker 16: always respond when there's an offense or an immediate risk

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Speaker 16: to life or safety. That does not change and in

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Speaker 16: that case, whether it's mental health professionals or members of

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Speaker 16: the public. One one one is the way to get

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Speaker 16: into our system and prioritize absolutely a priority for us,

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Speaker 16: and we will deal with that. Phase three that launched

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Speaker 16: on Monday this week is about that non emergency requests,

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Speaker 16: requests for services for police, assistance from mental health services

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Speaker 16: and missing person reports from mental health inpatient unit and

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Speaker 16: EDS and we've just streamlined that assessment and the non

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Speaker 16: emergency component in this phase.

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Speaker 2: Miney, how long before this thing shakes down? Do you

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Speaker 2: gave us those numbers before? Is this evolving? And in

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Speaker 2: a year's time we can all get together and see

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Speaker 2: where it's at or is this it?

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Speaker 16: No, this is a four phased approach. The last phase

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Speaker 16: for Phase four, strangely is in the new year, and

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Speaker 16: we're looking to have this completed by the middle of

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Speaker 16: next year.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll stay in touch. Preciated very much, Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 2: who's the police Assistant commissioner on that particular matter. Nineteen

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Speaker 2: minutes away from it. A contractor employee conflict in the

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Speaker 2: building industry very common. Vast majority of small medium building

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Speaker 2: companies employ their workers as contractors, even apprentices as high

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Speaker 2: as contractors. Any one of these so called contractors could

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Speaker 2: take a case against their employers that they choose to,

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Speaker 2: but they don't. In most cases they're ignorant of their

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Speaker 2: rights or apathetic. It creates an unequal playing field as

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Speaker 2: it's more cost effective to run a contractor model. Obviously

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Speaker 2: it's more beneficial for homeowners for the status quota remain.

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Speaker 2: We run an employee model. Always have what's the right answer? Well,

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Speaker 2: the answer is there is no right answer unless you,

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Speaker 2: as an employer and an employee, decide it's the right answer.

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Speaker 2: And then that is the relationship, and in that is

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Speaker 2: the workplace. And if you're not happy, I've always said,

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Speaker 2: go elsewhere. It is nineteen to.

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Speaker 1: Two the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: Getting a bit of feedback on the Hipkins News g Mike,

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Speaker 2: it's so exciting getting hourly updates on hipkins engagement on

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Speaker 2: the news and getting a little bit about this morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm not against it personally. I think a potential prime

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Speaker 2: minister announcing his engagement is something to be happy about,

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Speaker 2: something to be congratulated. I would have thought, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want any more of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see it in the Woman's Weekly,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want it to be a feature of

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Speaker 2: the campaign, and then I don't want to follow his wedding.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the announcement's okay, five point three to

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Speaker 2: three million of us if you missed that number yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Median age. By the way, the males are younger than

1054
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Speaker 2: the females, so it's all a bunch of cougar's out there.

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Speaker 2: Isn't at the moment. So the average median age of

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Speaker 2: women's thirty nine and the average male is thirty seven.

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Speaker 2: We grew by thirty two let's call it thirty three thousand.

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Speaker 2: We went up by thirty three thousand natural population growth

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Speaker 2: sixty two percent increase of that thirty two thousand, because

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Speaker 2: no one comes into the country anymore because the immigration

1061
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Speaker 2: well they do. Lots of people come into the country,

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Speaker 2: but of course lots of people are leaving, and then

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Speaker 2: that's the problem. There were fifty seven thousand birth thirty

1064
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Speaker 2: seven thousand deaths, so more people came into the world

1065
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Speaker 2: than left it. So overall are four hundred people and

1066
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Speaker 2: that was net migration, and that's the problem. Let me

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Speaker 2: tell you about just quickly, my coffee, and there's two

1068
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Speaker 2: stories about coffee. I'm all about saving money, so I've

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Speaker 2: long been an advocate and the POSPO industry hates me

1070
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Speaker 2: for it, but I've long been an advocate of get

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Speaker 2: yourself a good coffee machine, make your own coffee at home.

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Speaker 2: You'll save yourself a fortune. Right, You'll payoff your machine

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Speaker 2: even if you get a good one in a couple

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Speaker 2: of years time, from the money you save. Now new development.

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Speaker 2: I got a coffee roasting machine and I thought, is

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Speaker 2: this going to be interesting? And the main part of

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Speaker 2: the story is it's made by a company called Cafe Logic,

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Speaker 2: who are in Dunedin. Now, Cafe Logic sadly are one

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Speaker 2: of the few remaining manufacturers of appliances in this country.

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Speaker 2: So in other words, we are not a manufacturer of appliances,

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00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 2: and I think that's a sad state of affairs, because

1082
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: we can produce appliances. And these people are a classic

1083
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: example because the machine they produce is used by the

1084
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: majority of winners of international competitions. So, in other words,

1085
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: professional roasters use this machine in international competitions. And when

1086
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: you look at all the people who win these competitions,

1087
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: about sixty percent of those people. We're using this cafe

1088
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: logic machine. So not only do we produce a machine,

1089
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: we produce a world class machine. So why aren't we

1090
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: better at manufacturing world class products? So that's number one?

1091
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: Second thing? I think, how much of beans? Green beans

1092
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: are thirty bucks? You can pay thirty five if you

1093
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: want a kilo. Now you do the quick math. I

1094
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: looked up the supermarket coffee at twelve bucks for two

1095
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: hundred grams, So you do the math on that. That's

1096
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: forty eight dollars fifty dollars sixty do as a kiload

1097
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: depending on what you're buying and whether it's on special

1098
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So you're doing half the price for

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00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 2: green beans. So automatically you're saving money left, right and center.

1100
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: So if you're doing on my old measure of ten

1101
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 2: cups a bag, you're doing coffee at about seventy cents

1102
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: a cup. So ask yourself, next time you're paying five

1103
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: and a half dollars, this is for espresso. After next

1104
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: time you're paying five and a half bucks for espresso

1105
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: in a cafe, Why are you paying five and a

1106
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: half when you can do it at home for seventy

1107
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: cents or maybe a dollar at max. You're saving a fortune,

1108
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: and of course you're having fun. And what I discovered

1109
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: also is your house smells incredible because of course when

1110
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: you roast your own beans, and it's a simple machine,

1111
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: you just put the beans.

1112
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 8: How many beans I'm just looking at?

1113
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 2: Does one hundred and twenty grams?

1114
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 8: So you'll do That's not very much, is it?

1115
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Not many? But I mean takes ten minutes. If you

1116
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: want more, do more? Do twenty minutes worth? Do two

1117
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: hundred and forty. You've got a bag's worth a bag

1118
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: last few week, so you do two lots. Yeah they're

1119
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: two hundred grams, but so you do one twenty two

1120
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: lots of one twenty is two hundred and forty. So

1121
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: you've got a bag the glen.

1122
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 8: So you done buy the Barista bears and they're seven

1123
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty grams.

1124
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: Well, therefore you've spent spend an hour on a Saturday

1125
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 2: making a kilo of coffee beans. Save yourself a fortune.

1126
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: All I'm saying, I reckon you can pay the machine

1127
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: off in savings in six months. You can pay a

1128
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: coffee machine off in less than two years. So in

1129
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: two years, two and a bit years, you can be

1130
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: in business and every single coffee you make from then

1131
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: on is saving you money. It's free coffee. Now why

1132
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't you do that? So anyway, that's my big discovery

1133
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: at the moment. And you can do all the recipes

1134
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. If you're into that sort

1135
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: of thing, you can change it up and buy different

1136
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: beans in different countries and different places, different altitudes and

1137
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: all that. But the basic as you throw the beans

1138
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: and put go. Ten minutes later, bomb, there's your bean.

1139
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 8: Have you got the chaff collector?

1140
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: I've got a chaff collector. You need a chef collector

1141
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: because that's what happens post the beans. But you see

1142
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: the beans, they go well, they jumble around, they go brown,

1143
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: and the house smells incredible and the coffee tastes incredible,

1144
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: and you've saved yourself money. I'm growing capsicums, I'm roasting

1145
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: my beans.

1146
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 8: Come on, does it collect up other chef or just no,

1147
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 8: it doesn't.

1148
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: Unfortunately the other cheff Ragi house. You've got to get

1149
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: yourself turn away from it.

1150
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: For the Mike Hosking Breakfast were the defender and use

1151
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: tog ted b.

1152
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: Mike, we don't all do that because some of us

1153
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: don't want to sit at home roasting our own beans

1154
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: while watching the silly NFL. See if I was fragile,

1155
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: I could need a mental health day off for that,

1156
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: because that's like straight up and down abuse. Seven away,

1157
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: seven away from eight. Now, someone's going to be a

1158
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: little bit different this year at Russell's Wrongabay Holiday Parks.

1159
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: So they're taking out the tellies. They're encouraging visitors to

1160
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: get out, get back to nature, and they will become

1161
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 2: one of the first holiday parks in the country actually

1162
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: to go completely TV three TV three and now Shane

1163
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: Madden is the park manager and he's with a Shane,

1164
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: very good morning to you.

1165
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 17: Oh good morning, Mike.

1166
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 6: How are we very well?

1167
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: Thank you? Have you done it or you're about to

1168
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: do it?

1169
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 17: Now it's all gone the moment we sort of head

1170
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 17: floated the idea a the owners said they thought it

1171
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 17: would be an excellent proposition. We removed it that weekend.

1172
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: Fantastic And have you had pushback feedback so far?

1173
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 7: No?

1174
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 17: I mean we here, we engage pretty heavily with our

1175
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 17: guests as they come in generally, so we let them

1176
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 17: know what's happening. We've got lots of activities here on

1177
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 17: our Rustle Peninsula, which I'm sure most people will know

1178
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 17: we're on the Bay Holiday part. Fortunate enough that we

1179
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 17: have opportunities to see Key here, which is one of

1180
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 17: our latest awards that we've just received. So we won't

1181
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 17: be able to provide that experience for not only our

1182
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 17: local people of New Zealand, but also people for around

1183
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 17: the world.

1184
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: The thing about the TV people who want to watch something,

1185
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: They're on their screens anyway, aren't they.

1186
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 17: That's the thing. It's about discouraging that and reducing that

1187
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 17: opportunity because as we know, everyone has cell phones, they

1188
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 17: all have internet access on their cell phones. But this

1189
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 17: is an opportunity to perhaps re engage with our land,

1190
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 17: re engage with your family. For couples particularly maybe important.

1191
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 17: We are a declining population. That's it's our TVs at

1192
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 17: nighttime that are troubling this situation we're in, you know.

1193
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: Exactly. So what about the weather though? What about when

1194
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: it's rainy, you know, and they're stuck in size we're

1195
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: in the winters, I mean, it's what about range rain

1196
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 2: to clear the air.

1197
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 17: That's also part of it. So too often where we're

1198
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 17: without power sometimes up here with our power companies, so

1199
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 17: it's probably best not to have TVs.

1200
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: Very good points, carry on, no, no, it's all good.

1201
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: What are the bookings like for summer?

1202
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 17: Very very full at the moment. It's probably been the

1203
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 17: biggest season coming into it. It's already been pre booked

1204
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 17: a lot of it. We've had a huge increase in

1205
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 17: the numbers of schools that are coming to utilize our camp.

1206
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 17: We are the Bay of Islands is one of our

1207
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 17: most significant historical areas, so we have our schools now

1208
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 17: returning up here.

1209
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: Is excellent, good, good, good.

1210
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 17: You know, we have lots of other activities. Very grateful

1211
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 17: to the Predator Free Russell, our Russell Land Care Trust

1212
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 17: because without them you probably wouldn't have the kiwis that

1213
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 17: we do have here.

1214
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. Well, you have a good summer and I'm

1215
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: glad you've taken the televisions out and I hope people

1216
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: get out into the wilderness and enjoy it and soak

1217
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: it up. Shane Madden, who's with the Russell of Wrongabay

1218
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: Holiday Park, Mike, I hope the coffee beans and the

1219
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: capsican are organic. Of course they are. That was the

1220
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: problem we had we ran into the problem with the salary,

1221
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: so the salary was to be I've got to come

1222
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: clean on the salary. So the salary was the first lot.

1223
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: I thought, this is a complete waste of time because

1224
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: we've only got a smallish greenhouse. I isssued the very

1225
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: explicit instructions. Let's not plant stuff that takes up acreage.

1226
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: We don't have room for this. That's why we don't

1227
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: grow potatoes and a greenhouse. Because waste of time. So

1228
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: I thought, sprinkle a few radish seeds, that sort of stuff,

1229
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: and some leaves we've gotten to the leaves, the ridicilo,

1230
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. Anyway, suddenly I'm looking at

1231
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: raddish as one day, I'm thinking they look like i'm

1232
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: looking at sealery. I think that looks like salary that's

1233
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: going to be hopeless. Anyway, pulled the whole thing out

1234
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: of the ground, absolutely superb, the greatest what is a salary?

1235
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: Is it a bunch of salary? Greatest bunch of salary

1236
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. Anyway, the next lot snails got to

1237
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: it because I'm organic, and it was just a complete disaster.

1238
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 8: Snails in your glasshouse.

1239
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: It's a snails birds bees. You've got to encourage it. Glenn.

1240
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: That's that's life inside the glasshouse. You want snails in there.

1241
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: You want nails, you want flowers, you want pollination, you

1242
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: want to hold nails. A couple of couple of possums

1243
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: in the rats, they're all in there. It's it's just

1244
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: a it's a monatic glasshouse or is it Noah's ark.

1245
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. Anyway, the second the

1246
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: second lot of salary hasn't worked out. I've got to

1247
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: come clean on that. So so so I'm forever hope

1248
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: for Malcolm Turnbull. He's been in the country, so we'll

1249
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: talk about geopolitics and this most interesting region of ours

1250
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: at the moment former Prime Minister of Australia. Of course

1251
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: he is after the news, which.

1252
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: Is next, asking the questions others won't the mic Hosking

1253
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life your Way news togs

1254
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: hed been.

1255
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: Seven past eight, So former Australian playnist to Malcolm Turnbull

1256
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: has been in the country and as we watch his

1257
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: party for the part in Australia, how can we resist

1258
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: the chatte that's before we get to the US and

1259
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: China and the Pacific's she's a complex and fascinating old world.

1260
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull, good morning.

1261
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 20: From morning to you two.

1262
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: Now as you understand and observe it at the moment,

1263
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: what do you reckons more important to Australia the Australia

1264
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: US relationship or the Australia China relationship as regards to

1265
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: the Pacific.

1266
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 20: Well, I think they're both. You know, they're both equally important.

1267
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 20: You know, the relationship with the US is obviously the

1268
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 20: bedrock of our security relationship and that's whereas the relationship

1269
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 20: with China is much more focused on economics and that

1270
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 20: our trade. But you know, the two these two superpowers

1271
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 20: are absolutely critical partners. But you know, the security relationship,

1272
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 20: I guess dominates in the American context, and of course

1273
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 20: trade dominates in the China context.

1274
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: So talk about China and the Pacific Sea, Mike Burgess.

1275
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: This week a CEO said some interesting things about the

1276
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: Chinese and the way they're operating in this part of

1277
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: the world. Does that worry I mean, did that worry

1278
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: you when you were running Australia.

1279
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 20: Well, look, I think you've got the Defen's what you

1280
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 20: meant by worry, it's it's you know, I'm not a

1281
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 20: worried do get worried too easily, but the reality is

1282
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 20: that China is a superpower. It is, you know, an

1283
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 20: economic here equal or close to an equal of the

1284
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 20: United States, and they're seeking to exert influence around the

1285
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 20: world and in our region. So they're they're here, they're

1286
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 20: part of our region. We you know, we want to

1287
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 20: make sure that we want to maintain strong relations with

1288
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 20: our Pacific Ireland neighbors. And so for example, when I

1289
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 20: was Prime Minister, one of the things we did was

1290
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 20: rather than have the Solomons and c and G going

1291
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 20: to debt with Chinese state owned lenders to Bundai Huawei

1292
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Speaker 20: controlled cable network, we provided one largely out of our

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Speaker 20: aid budget. This is the court's called the Coral Cable.

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Speaker 19: It's the.

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Speaker 20: Country's concern. Solomon's and PMG paid for about twenty percent

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Speaker 20: of it. We paid thirty percent of it, and it's

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Speaker 20: operated by an Australian company called Focus, and we thought

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Speaker 20: that was a better outcome from a security point of

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Speaker 20: view for US and our neighbors, but also it was

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Speaker 20: a better outcome for them because they weren't in debt.

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Speaker 20: I mean, you know, one of the you know, one

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Speaker 20: of you see this with Tonga in particular. One of

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Speaker 20: the problems with developed developing countries and their dealings with

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Speaker 20: China is that so much of what they're acquiring is

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Speaker 20: through debta arrangements, which of course they can't you know,

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Speaker 20: they can't afford to repay and they can't afford the service.

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Speaker 20: And so you know, you're better off recognizing the reality

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Speaker 20: and providing the economics for these countries need wherever you

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Speaker 20: can through the aid budget.

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Speaker 2: As regards America, from an Australian point of view, explaining

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Speaker 2: it to New Zealand is what do you reckon orcus

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Speaker 2: you know actually is literally how will it pan out

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Speaker 2: and over what period of time and will it work

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Speaker 2: towards something substantive.

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm not a fan of aucas I think it's

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Speaker 20: a bad deal. I think it's very asymmetric. I mean,

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Speaker 20: we with the Americans, we're providing them with what they want,

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Speaker 20: which is the base, the dockyard, all of that's how

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Speaker 20: giving the money to go into their submarine industry through

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Speaker 20: billion new stylars, we have no certainty of getting any

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Speaker 20: submarines at all, and that is a risk that the

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Speaker 20: Australian government has taken on with this eyes open. So

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Speaker 20: if the Yanks, you know, in twenty thirty one, say look,

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Speaker 20: I'm not producing enough subs are on furpose, we can't

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Speaker 20: spare you any We can't say we've been dudded, because

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Speaker 20: this is a risk that our government took on with

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Speaker 20: their eyes open, and it set out in the legislation. Now,

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Speaker 20: what's the other one percent of UCAST. Well, that's what's

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Speaker 20: called Pillar two and that is supposed to be cooperation

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Speaker 20: on strategic technology, cybersecurity, what autonomous systems and so forth. Frankly,

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Speaker 20: very little has happened there. None of the three governments

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Speaker 20: have put much money into it, and even orcust boosters

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Speaker 20: have said this is totally undercooked and underdone.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've worked out what our part would

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Speaker 2: be even if we went into it, and what Pillar

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Speaker 2: two is Anyway, Malcolm Turnball from Australian Prime Minister with

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Speaker 2: us we'll come back and talk about the other problems

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Speaker 2: within the coalition in a moment twelve past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast All Show podcast on iheartradiow It

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Speaker 1: by Newstalks.

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Speaker 2: A bew Stalks have be caught a Bay State Malcolm Turnbull,

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Speaker 2: what's your assessment of your party at the moment in

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Speaker 2: the current dilemma?

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Speaker 20: Oh god, oh what a mess? Well as de Chavous

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Speaker 20: all over again, isn't it. I mean it's you know,

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Speaker 20: we've been having the same friend of mine founder in

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Speaker 20: the UK found an article I'd written in two thousand

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Speaker 20: and nine talking about how the right wing and the

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Speaker 20: Liberal Party were turning climate policy and global warming into

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Speaker 20: a culture war issue and ignoring the science and rationality.

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Speaker 20: And you know, nothing's changed, right it is. I used

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Speaker 20: to say when I was in politics, energy policy should

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Speaker 20: be guided by engineering and economics, not ideology and idiocy.

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Speaker 20: But they're at it again, and it is you know,

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Speaker 20: you'd have to say about the sort of climate Demi's

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Speaker 20: right wingers in the Liberal Party who now control the party.

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Speaker 20: There's no question about that. As you could say, they've

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Speaker 20: got the memory of goldfish and the dining habits of Piranhas.

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Speaker 20: You know, they just they forget I'm doing the same

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Speaker 20: thing all over again, grant on day, every day, and

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Speaker 20: they're just constantly tearing into each other. And so you know,

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Speaker 20: I don't take anything away from Antney Albanezi for his

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Speaker 20: big majority. You know, congratulations to him, but boy, the

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Speaker 20: Dutton and you know, the right wingers in the Liberal

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Speaker 20: Party have made it very easy for him to get there,

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Speaker 20: and they continue to do it and they you know,

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Speaker 20: they hold hardly any city seats in Australia and so

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Speaker 20: now they're going out there and you know, putting a

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Speaker 20: big sign up which says we don't take climate change

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Speaker 20: or the environment seriously because they can quibble with all

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Speaker 20: the weasel words they like, but that is what the public,

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Speaker 20: that's how the public will see it, which is why

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Speaker 20: and full of moderate Liberals that are left centrist liberals

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Speaker 20: that are left in the parties are so so upset,

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Speaker 20: but it is you know, it's the best. It's that

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Speaker 20: they are the best friends the Liberal the right wingers

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Speaker 20: in the Liberal Party and their friends in the media,

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Speaker 20: you know, Murdock media. Mostly they are the best friends

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Speaker 20: the Labor Party has ever had.

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Speaker 2: Does Susan Lee survive, I mean, does the coalition survive?

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Speaker 2: And how permanent are the problems?

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Speaker 21: Do you think?

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Speaker 20: Well with will Susan Survill, I don't know, but you know,

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Speaker 20: I don't think these you know, people do not give

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Speaker 20: it much prospect of surviving. But she could but you know,

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Speaker 20: first time opposition leaders. After you go into opposition generally

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Speaker 20: don't have a last very long, and the least in

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Speaker 20: the Liberal experience. But if you know, you may hang on.

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Speaker 20: Are the problems permanent? Yeah, you know what I think

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Speaker 20: they are. I think that I think the problem is

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Speaker 20: that the branch membership. We've got to remember the Liberal Party,

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Speaker 20: unlike the Labor Party, who's you know, ultimately it's controlled

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Speaker 20: by the unions, the Liberal Party is a genuine grassroots

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Speaker 20: organization controlled by its members ultimately, and the membership are shrunk,

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Speaker 20: and it is now increasingly dominated by older people who

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Speaker 20: live on a diet of what you might call right

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Speaker 20: wing populist media from places like sky Nears, Australia and

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Speaker 20: you know, a similar right wing you know are using

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Speaker 20: that term advisedly, but you know what I mean, it's

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Speaker 20: sort of right wing populist media. And that is a

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Speaker 20: you know, they they love culture wars, so you know,

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Speaker 20: the go global warmings a hoax. You know, they want

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Speaker 20: to they want to age war on some culture or

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Speaker 20: issure or another. And that that was a disastrous for

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Speaker 20: dun absolutely disastrous for Darton to the extent that he

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Speaker 20: lost his AMC because people saw it in Australia. They

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Speaker 20: saw this as the Liberals heading down the Trumpian path.

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Speaker 20: And while we want to maintain good relations with the

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Speaker 20: Americans and good relations from and so forth, Australians do

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Speaker 20: not want a bar of that kind of politics. You know,

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Speaker 20: we've got a very different system here. We've got compulsory voting.

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Speaker 20: You guys know as much about our countries, we're compulsory voting,

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Speaker 20: pfferential voting. It brings our politics to the center. So

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Speaker 20: if you want to run off to the extremes and

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Speaker 20: basically complete the ball enhance and say, you know, fifteen

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Speaker 20: percent of the vote or something, knock yourself out that

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Speaker 20: we're never going to get into government.

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Speaker 2: And so what does that mean? Does that mean alban

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Speaker 2: easy is good for three, if not four terms?

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Speaker 20: Well, I don't you know, he's he's he's he's certain.

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Speaker 20: I would think he would nothing certain in politics that

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Speaker 20: I would think he'd be very solid favorite to win

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Speaker 20: the twenty twenty eight election. But who knows after that?

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Speaker 20: I mean, you know, Anna Domini catches up with all

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Speaker 20: of us. But so I don't know Anthony's what is

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Speaker 20: he's sort of early sixty one or two or something.

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Speaker 20: So I imagine he's got a I would think if

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Speaker 20: I had to, you know, I had to give you

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Speaker 20: a prediction, I would say, he's got you know, another

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Speaker 20: another one, or he's certainly got another one, possibly two

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Speaker 20: elections in him. But the but the real, the real

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Speaker 20: problem for the Libs is, you know, party I've led

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Speaker 20: and party which I'm still a member, is that you've

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Speaker 20: got these independent teals, you know, who are central smaller liberals,

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Speaker 20: the sort of with the kind of Graham and agenda

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Speaker 20: that people used to associate with me when I was

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Speaker 20: in politics. They now hold you know, it was a

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Speaker 20: half a dozen of what had been our safest seats,

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Speaker 20: male seat of Wentworth when you can't you know, they say,

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Speaker 20: you can't get a ferry to a Liberal Party seat

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Speaker 20: in Sydney anymore, whether it's you know, Wentworth in the

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Speaker 20: eastern suburbs or Wringer, you know, the Manly seat Mckeller

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Speaker 20: to the north of that Bradfield which is the north Shore,

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Speaker 20: they're all they're all now independent seats held by teals.

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Speaker 20: These are the safest blue ribbon Liberal seats.

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Speaker 14: Uh.

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Speaker 20: And you know it's a similar pattern in Earth, where

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Speaker 20: curtains seld On Independent trulye Bishop so Old seat and

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Speaker 20: in Melbourne Manique Bryant as the seat of Kon which

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Speaker 20: was Josh Frodenberg seat. So it's a you know, and

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Speaker 20: if you think the way to win those seats back

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Speaker 20: is by running off to the US, right, well you

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Speaker 20: just start. It's got the wrong.

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Speaker 2: Memo that Malcolm Turnbull. Now Malcolm was in the country

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Speaker 2: over the weekend, and there is much more to that

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Speaker 2: conversation because we were chatting away endlessly and I had

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Speaker 2: some coffee beans roasting away in the background, and so

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Speaker 2: before we knew it had gone on for ages. So

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Speaker 2: the rest of the interview, if you want to catch

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Speaker 2: it as will be on our Facebook page and on

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Speaker 2: the ZV website.

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Speaker 1: A twenty two the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real

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Speaker 1: Estate News Talk zb.

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Speaker 2: Pyrower Salery is great. They've also got the folly of

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Speaker 2: on the garden to twos the slugs and the bugs

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Speaker 2: win win. Good point. Did you know Mike that a

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Speaker 2: saucer of lion read by your greens is more attractive

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Speaker 2: to the snails than your greens. Is that true? All

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Speaker 2: that tells you is that your snails don't have very

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Speaker 2: good taste and beer, I would argue, Mike, And you

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Speaker 2: wonder why the young lady with the coffee kiosk in

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Speaker 2: your courtyard near your work has not been able to

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Speaker 2: see that so true? See, I feel slightly guilty about that.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, you take something home as you're not

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Speaker 2: doing it commercially, argue, I get that part, Mike. What next,

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Speaker 2: find all the hours and the day to grow food?

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Speaker 2: Clear land, build structures? What Netflix? Movie sample, alcohol, race, cars,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, twenty four hours a long day?

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Speaker 2: My friend Rod, this illegal migrant thing. They sound desperate.

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Speaker 2: They sound like they're in straight up and down panic

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Speaker 2: mode in the labor government. Rod's with us from the UK.

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Speaker 1: the Defender, embraced the impossible news, togs dead be there's.

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Speaker 2: Any thing about Britain at the moment? Is we had

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Speaker 2: Rachel Reaves, and we've talked about it a number of

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Speaker 2: times on the program, and the tax cats were coming

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Speaker 2: in the budget, and how many people were going to

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Speaker 2: dedict tats and to what extent and how big was

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Speaker 2: the black hole and all that sort of stuff. Then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was suggested over the weekend

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Speaker 2: that she's out that had no tax coming. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: you thought, oh, well, that's the big deal, that's the

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Speaker 2: big problem for the government. And the next thing you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got Miss Mood announcing these extraordinary changes to asylum seekers.

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Speaker 15: Refugee status will last two and a half years, not five.

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Speaker 15: It will be renewed only if it is impossible for

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Speaker 15: a refugee to return home. Permanent settlement will now come

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Speaker 15: at twenty years, not five. I know this country welcomes

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Speaker 15: people who contribute. For those who want to stay and

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Speaker 15: are willing and able to, we will create a new

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Speaker 15: work and study visa route solely for refugees, with a

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Speaker 15: quicker path to permanent settlement to encourage refugees into work.

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Speaker 15: We will also consult on removing benefits for those who

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Speaker 15: are able to work but choose not to.

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Speaker 19: Business and role as well as Roderick good morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: How did it come to this. It's sort of like

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Speaker 2: they're finally woken up from some weird slumber and thought,

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Speaker 2: tell you what, we've got a problem here.

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Speaker 19: Well, it's part of the internal policy of the Labor

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Speaker 19: Party and none of this plays well for kids understanding

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Speaker 19: among the party. To Kamak Mood is the voice of

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Speaker 19: blue Baby in the cabinet and it's something which I

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Speaker 19: know Chaban has been thinking about for a very very

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Speaker 19: long time. And these are dramatic proposals. I mean, they

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Speaker 19: do begin to edge towards the heart of the issue.

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Speaker 19: How do you deter people from coming You tell them

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Speaker 19: they're not going to stay it for very long. You

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Speaker 19: tell them they're going to be deported. There's a love

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Speaker 19: devil in the detail. So for example, we're going to

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Speaker 19: check everything. We're going to check every six months as

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Speaker 19: to whether or thirty months in cases, as to whether

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Speaker 19: kind is safe for people to go back to a

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Speaker 19: lot of a lot of upon the people doing the judging.

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01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 19: The Danes from whom all these policies are borrowed are

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Speaker 19: sending people back to Syria saying it's no war anymore,

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 19: go on, go home. So id it hard to imagine

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Speaker 19: that the human rights lawyers will let that through over here.

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 19: But nonetheless, what she's done, says has changed the ground

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Speaker 19: on immigration and changed the ground on illegal immigration much

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Speaker 19: Labour's favor. But there will be all hell to pay

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Speaker 19: on the backbenchs because of course the backbend between rid

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Speaker 19: of SECRETA and this is more of exactly what they

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Speaker 19: don't want. And already we're hearing various MPs such as

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Speaker 19: Natalie Whistle and I think her name is that she's

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Speaker 19: an idiot interdently, which is why I haven't remembered the name.

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Speaker 19: Would have done it.

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Speaker 20: She was clever.

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Speaker 19: Wits them who is already saying, you know, this isn't

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Speaker 19: what a labor government should be. WHI should be in everyone.

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Speaker 19: I mean, everyone's loved me, which is the left wing vierer.

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Speaker 19: So it's a remarkable it's a remarkable change of trailed

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 19: in the weekends newspapers and it does shove the ball

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Speaker 19: back into the court of forming the Conservative Party and

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01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 19: the Conservative Party have said they're going to work with

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Speaker 19: Mood on.

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Speaker 2: Mood on this yeah, well, let's hope it helps. Does

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Speaker 2: it also get the budget thing off the front pages?

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Speaker 2: Because what the hell happened there? She was doing text cuts,

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Speaker 2: text increases and now she's not.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it gets off the front pages for a day

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01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 19: or two, but it'll be back. The truth is, if

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Speaker 19: I pin a tail on the donkey Mike, no one

1577
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 19: has the remotest idea what's going to be in this budget.

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Speaker 19: And that's not because the Chanceller is keeping her cards

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Speaker 19: close to her chest. It's because she hasn't a clue

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Speaker 19: what is in the budget? You know, it really is

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01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 19: that bad? Yes, for ages, we were told to prepare

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Speaker 19: ourselves for tax rises. Its income aacthorises the circumstances change.

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 19: So we're going to make the manifesto the raiser's income

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01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 19: and suddenly monocular raised into in cub text. There might

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Speaker 19: be a kind of mention some people with m million

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Speaker 19: and a half pints that's all of London. Basically that's belief.

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Speaker 19: What she is going to do is create a budget

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01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 19: which again I suspect Sotcal's economic growth, whatever past you

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01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 19: is shoes is to go down because she has been

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01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 19: dis left herself with no room.

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Speaker 2: Blue, No you rise back to the business of the

1592
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 2: asylum seekers. So you raise the lawyers and so the

1593
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 2: suggestion is that there will be visa issues in some

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: African countries that they don't accept the people coming back

1595
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. If you can't get

1596
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: it past a court, no matter how good your idea is,

1597
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: what do you do?

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Speaker 19: Then it's nothing you can do. You have totally reform.

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Speaker 19: There's nothing in what Shabana said today. I think in

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Speaker 19: what she is today about reforming the court, and yet

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 19: you need those courts totally reformed. It's not it's not

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01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 19: the European Convention. You will write it's a problem, even

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 19: though you know removing it. I'd be in favor of

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01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 19: removing it. But that's not the central problem. The central

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 19: problem is that these industries that these immigration prominals are staff.

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 19: Why people who during their other hours are human rights

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Speaker 19: lawyers for refugees and always come down in favor of

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Speaker 19: the refugees.

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Speaker 20: I don't know.

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Speaker 19: How you put into legal practice what my mood has said,

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01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 19: which is that in future judges will be forced to

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01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 19: prioritize British public interest and indigenous safety concerns over the

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Speaker 19: human rights of these currencies. I don't know how you

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Speaker 19: codify that in law.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how you square that circle? Good to talk you,

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Speaker 2: Rod appreciated Rod little out of Britain. I do apologize

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Speaker 2: that line. I don't think it was particularly I don't

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Speaker 2: think it was our best work as far as lines

1619
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: are concerned. Despite the fact that there's twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: telegraph sales falling over by the the way of you're

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Speaker 2: following that as well, there was a group called Redbird

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Speaker 2: Capital US. They've abandoned it, they've walked away. Basically they

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Speaker 2: were looking to help them expand globally online, all that

1624
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. They would have become the sole controlling owner.

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Speaker 2: Paper was founded in eighteen fifty five, stymied by the

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Speaker 2: British government as well previously with rules around foreigners owning

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Speaker 2: British newspapers. The other thing that's sort of weird that

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Speaker 2: I read about over the weekend. They had these rules

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01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 2: in Britain whereby you taxed more on your beer the

1630
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: higher the alcohol content. So all that's happened is that

1631
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: the producers of the mainstream beer have lowered the alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Now I've never seen this before. Is this unusual? Is

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 2: this weird? Or is this just me not drinking a

1634
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Speaker 2: lot of beer. So I know about you know, specifically

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Speaker 2: made low alcohol beer. I get that, or no alcohol beer.

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Speaker 2: I understand all of that. But this is the standard

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Speaker 2: beer that once upon a time had four point seven

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Speaker 2: four point eight percent alcohol. So that's what you came

1639
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: to know and love because the tax came and the

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Speaker 2: same beer being sold but at three point foot this

1641
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Speaker 2: particular case was Foster's, which is made by Herniken, so

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01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: they reduced the alcohol content three point four percent. They're

1643
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Speaker 2: still calling it Fosters. It's still the so called same

1644
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: regular everyday bea that you would have bought anyway, but

1645
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 2: it suddenly got three point four percent, and by doing that,

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Speaker 2: of course they save on tax and therefore your pint

1647
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: is a little bit cheaper. Is there a lot of

1648
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: that going on?

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Speaker 8: Because they say there's less even less reason to drink five.

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Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing I've never seen. Maybe that's just

1651
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Speaker 2: unique to Britain.

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Speaker 2: Be that's interesting. Same thing happens to here, Jim Beam

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Speaker 2: Internationally forty percent here it's thirty seven to five repackaged

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Speaker 2: by Coca Cola to save on tax. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: I don't drink bourbon. Do you know about that, Glenn? Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: but you don't sound very sure.

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Speaker 8: Well you can get both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably pay more as what they're saying, so

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Speaker 2: cheer version you save on tax, Mike. The same applies

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Speaker 2: with wine. In the United Kingdom, we're at nine to

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Speaker 2: ten ten percent. I mean, what's the point best thing

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Speaker 2: I read yesterday in Australia for all you people thinking

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Speaker 2: of leaving. I'm surely there can't be anyone left thinking

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Speaker 2: of leaving to Australia, can they? I mean, obviously they've

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Speaker 2: all gone over. Listen to this over governed, overtaxed, over complicated.

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Speaker 2: How Australia is set up to fail brilliant peace well

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Speaker 2: worth looking up. Australia's three levels of government will collect

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Speaker 2: a record one trillion dollars in taxes this year for

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Speaker 2: the first time ever. When the door shuts on this

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Speaker 2: financial year, Australia's three levels of government will have set

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Speaker 2: a record for the first time. The Commonwealth, the six States,

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Speaker 2: the two territories, the five one hundred and thirty eight

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Speaker 2: councils will have collected more than a trillion dollars in taxes,

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Speaker 2: charges and fees from a dysfunctional housing market, to regulations

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Speaker 2: that change the legal status of an electric bike as

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Speaker 2: you're rided across the state border. To teams have not

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Speaker 2: hundreds of billions of dollars wasted. The Federation off is failing.

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Speaker 2: Every government, every business, every Australian struggles with a system

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Speaker 2: no longer fit for purpose. See outside looking in. You

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Speaker 2: like that. You do realize that the relationship with the

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01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: Aboriginal community in Australia is getting tighter and tighter is

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 2: each week passes and you welcome to country and all

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: those sort of things are a standard feature in school life,

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01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: in sporting life these days. And it was just last

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01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 2: week in Victoria they signed a treaty between Aboriginal people

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01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: and it's exactly, it's the treaty why taking all over again?

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01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: So for all the people that go, oh no, the Australians,

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: they don't do it differently. Don't do it differently at all.

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01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 2: By the way, I was reading the Drive section of

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01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: the Herald over the weekend. Does a carshier thing interesting

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01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 2: there's another company. They're not the first, and there was one.

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01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to it, but there's a

1724
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: thing coming about. There's two things happening in the car

1725
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: industry for the future. One is subscriptions, and so you

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01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: subscribe to a car. It's sort of like rentals, but

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01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: because you sort you buy a subscription and you sort

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01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: of change cars and depending on what you need and stuff.

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01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 2: And the other thing is you buy a stake. And

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01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: there's this company. Look it up in the Herald and

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01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: see if it's a bit of you. It's a thing

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01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: called All Nest Luxury and it's like timeshare for cars.

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01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: You buy an eleventh of the car or a twelfth

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01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: of the car. Basically, you buy an entitlement for a

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01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 2: month a year of a car, all sorts of different cars.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are flash cars. If you don't want

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01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,839
Speaker 2: to own a flash car, but you think I wouldn't

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01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 2: mind having a flash car one month a year, you

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01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: can book a car for a day. You're up to

1740
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, up to a month a year.

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01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 2: You can buy more than one shares in w SOL whatever. Anyway,

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01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: my point is is that is that a thing. Do

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: you think that you would buy a slice of a

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01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: car that maybe you wouldn't ordinarily afford, but for a

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01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 2: tenth or eleventh or a twelfth of the price, you

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01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: could have a month's worth of Broombrulm and think this

1747
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: is pretty cool. It's an interesting business model. I'm just

1748
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 2: not sure whether it's a workable one five hundtes away

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Speaker 2: from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all year round.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned in the USS gerald Ford earlier on. This is

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 2: the one that's parked out up in the Caribbean. The

1753
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: Caribbean at the moment, sort of hovering around Venezuela in

1754
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 2: a don't dick with us, Maduro, we might do something

1755
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: with you kind of way. And it's the largest and

1756
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: most modern warship that the Americans got at the moment,

1757
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 2: despite the fact it's actually not working that well. The

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01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 2: system that launches the jets got a problem.

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01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 9: While EMAILS was designed to operate for over four thousand

1760
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 9: cycles between failures, testing revealed that it only managed about

1761
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 9: six hundred cycles before encountering issues. Similarly, AAG is expected

1762
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 9: to function for sixteen five hundred cycles, but has faced

1763
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,839
Speaker 9: breakdowns after just four hundred and fifty cycles. The Ford's

1764
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 9: jet blast deflector have also been problematic, including a return

1765
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 9: to port during a qualification trial due to all four

1766
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 9: deflectors breaking down simultaneously. The Ford uses airplane style vacuum

1767
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 9: toilets that pull waste through narrow pipes. With around four

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 9: thousand sailors on board, these pipes clog frequently. When that happens,

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01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 9: the problem can't be fixed with a simple plunger. Instead,

1770
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 9: the Navy must perform a full system flush using a

1771
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 9: special acid to dissolve hardened waste build up. Each flush

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01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 9: costs about four hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money for a flush. There's a

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01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 2: lot of toilets here. I it's not really similar. We're

1775
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: in an eco building. Well that's why they call the

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01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 2: eco building at the time. And one of the things

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01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 2: two things happened in this building. One we got fewer parks,

1778
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 2: but because we got fewer parks, we got an extra

1779
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 2: story for height. And the other thing was we got

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Speaker 2: smaller pipes on.

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Speaker 8: The toilets and the special light bulbs obviously, and the.

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01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Special light bulbs that do you know how long it

1783
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 2: took to fix the light bulbs in the studio from

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Speaker 2: the first email?

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01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 8: Do you reconnect costs more more or less than an

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01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 8: acid toilet flash on the Gerald R.

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Speaker 2: Ford I reckon, I reckon you could have had either one.

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Speaker 2: It took one hundred and ninety five days. One hundred

1789
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Speaker 2: and ninety five days to change the light bulbedin ZID

1790
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 2: move anyway. The John F. Kennedy is the next one

1791
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 2: off the production line. That's supposed to be in the

1792
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 2: water already, but that's two years late. Hey back tomorrow

1793
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Speaker 2: morning from six Happy Days.

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1795
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