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Speaker 1: I mean, it's Sir Christopherlexidas heading to the United States

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Speaker 1: this week. You'll take part of the NATO summit to

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Speaker 1: meet with members of the US administration. The question is

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Speaker 1: what do we want? What will we get out of it?

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Speaker 1: Associate Professor of Politics at International Relations at Oka University

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Speaker 1: is Stephen Hadley. Hello Stephen, Good morning Andrew. We're not

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Speaker 1: a member of NATO's a house significance is our invitation

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Speaker 1: to visit.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is part of a group of four called

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Speaker 2: the Indo Pacific Four. It includes Japan, South Korea, Australia

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Speaker 2: and ourselves. So we are guests, as it were, or observers.

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Speaker 2: We're not obligated to go to war. We are, however,

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Speaker 2: privileged to listen to the deliberations, to meet the top

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Speaker 2: people at NATO and to keep well informed about what's

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Speaker 2: happening in the European theater.

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Speaker 1: But they're likely to be very nice to us in

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Speaker 1: case they have to ask us to go to war.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, that's our decision. To make an independent foreign

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Speaker 2: policy means every government in NATO also makes its own decision.

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Speaker 2: There's no compulsion to go to war, and they have

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Speaker 2: to agree one by one to do whatever they think

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Speaker 2: is appropriate.

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Speaker 1: What is your feeling of what is going to be discussed,

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Speaker 1: the priorities of it. I mean we can name some

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Speaker 1: right off the bat, you know, the South China Sea

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Speaker 1: and also of course Ukraine it's in Gaza. What do

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Speaker 1: you think they're going to be talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you've hit it on the head. All

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Speaker 2: of those are important topics. There's a crowded agenda. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of detail work as well, like who's going

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Speaker 2: to contribute, what, how to coordinate with each other, what

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Speaker 2: about future financing? How much are they going to put

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Speaker 2: into future defense for themselves and also for Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: also for the Indo Pacific. So the agenda is not

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Speaker 2: set by New Zealand. New Zealand will listen politely and

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Speaker 2: maybe could ask a question or two at the margins

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Speaker 2: of the discussion. But yeah, all those topics are going

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Speaker 2: to be front and center. I don't think GASA will

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Speaker 2: be discussed. That's really an issue between the United States

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Speaker 2: and Israel. NATO is not directly engaged, all right.

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Speaker 1: He's also going to see Apple the company. Now, what

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Speaker 1: is Christopher Luxan having to get out of that?

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Speaker 2: Do you think look investment the Christopher Luxeon is New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's number one salesman. Now you just talked to Simeon Brown.

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Speaker 2: He's going to have to pay for those roads. And

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of other things that New Zealand needs

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Speaker 2: to pay for by exports, by investment, by tourism, by security,

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Speaker 2: and Luxeon's job and his entourage. Membery. He's got some

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Speaker 2: very high powered officials in the United States, Beidan Corey,

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Speaker 2: Ambassador Rosemary Banks, one of the top diplomats. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: has to entract American investment down to New Zealand. Now, remember,

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Speaker 2: a lot of American firms are going out of China.

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Speaker 2: China has become too restrictive, too intrusive, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of firms are disvesting or pausing. And those that maybe

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Speaker 2: some of that investment money will come New Zealand's way.

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Speaker 2: Lux wants to make sure that Apple and its subsidiaries

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Speaker 2: and any other company interested is welcome.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Hordley, Associate Profession of Politics and International Relations into this.

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