1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. It's time for the politics Wednesday and Ginny Anderson, 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: along with Mark Mitchell are both with us. Good morning 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: you two, Good morning Jenny. A little overarching, I don't 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: want you to wademark into police operations, but just just 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: an oversight here on this Maracopa case eighty thousand dollars reward. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: First question is how is it possible that this guy can, 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: with three kids, vanish from police and us all for 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: such a sustained period of time. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I free with you entirely. I think that, and 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: you're right. I don't want to get in too much 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: into operations, but I just find it incredible that he's 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: been able to elude police for this log. There's probably 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: a feeling that maybe he's been assisted in help and 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: getting some help. But obviously the police are ramping things up. 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: They put a reward out there now, you know, primarily 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: around the children. 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: In your experience, do they put rewards out when they're stuck. 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 2: Well, they've increased the reward because they want to try 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: and generate more support and more information that comes out 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: of the community to help police locate her and of 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: course get the kids speak out. And this can't be 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: good for them at all. So that's why they've done it. 23 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: No, I can't Jinny, what do your view as former 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: police minister, when you offer somebody eighty thousand dollars and 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: it may well be a person who's been assisting this 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: particular criminal, and you offer potential immunity, do you sit 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: comfortably with that or does that sit comfortably with you? 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: It is concerning. Offering potential immunity to prosecution is quite 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 3: significant and it's not done often, but when concerns are 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: really with children, that's a significant amount of time to 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: be away from other family and it's really concerning regarding 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: the welfare of those kids. So in my view as 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: warranted given the fact that these three kids out there, 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: we don't know where they are and we want to 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: make sure that they're hite okay. 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: And then the second question for you Mark, once again 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: not operationally speaking, but when we hear yesterday this dead 38 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: baby in Tikowiti, and the dead baby was known previously 39 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: to police for having a non accidental injury and yet 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: while still with the parents, how does. 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: That work look Again, again, that is very operational and 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: and so that's an ongoing investigation. So it would be 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: I just cannot speak to that. I'll be breaking a 44 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: whole lot of rules as the Minister of Police. But 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: in a broader sense, I think that there's still work 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: to be done for us as a government in terms 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: of making sure that we've got the legislation and settings 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: right to protect our kids because you know, unfortunately we 49 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: sort of we're not. We don't in terms of infant 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: fatalities and injuries. It's still completely unacceptable in terms of 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: us as a country and what we're doing with. 52 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Correct but Ginny broadened it out then more. I mean, 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: can do you? Can you explain why a child would 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: a baby would be injured deliberately and then put back 55 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: with the parents who did the injury and not taking 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: off their pain. How does that work? 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: It's just heartbreaking every time I read one mind, I 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: just can't, you know, I can't see them what it was? 59 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: Would they like that? 60 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: Is? 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: That is the role of tomareki to intervene to a 62 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: cease risk and make a decision. And it seems like 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: those teatings still aren't right. 64 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: So you're telling me, sorry, Mark, carry. 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: On, Well, I just say that in relation to I 66 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: rang a Tamaki with Karen Chules, come under enormous criticism 67 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: in the last month because she is putting kids back 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: at the heart of the decisions, not adults, not family, family, 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: the children. They're making sure the children are put somewhere 70 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: where there safe, and I think that that hasn't been 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: happening for a while and she is very focused on 72 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: that outstanding. Well, well, I'm sorry, Jenny, she is making 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: the changes, and you guys have been attacking and criticizing her, 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: very personal attacks, and I think I beck her one 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: hundred percent. 76 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: You doing the right Okay, So that's it's slightly political. 77 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Just just come back to this particular case. So you're 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: telling me, Jenny, so I rang a Tamriki go in, 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: they know a baby's been and jured buy the two people, 80 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: and then they give that baby back to those parents 81 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: and that's their call and their call alone. 82 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Well, that they will have access to information that I 83 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: don't know. There will be a file on that that child, 84 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: and there'll be a whole assessment on what the risk 85 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: is and how to mitigate that risk, and then a 86 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 3: decision is made whether to leave the child with the 87 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: parents or not. And it's a big decision to up 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: from their parents. That's a huge decision to make and 89 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: so this is at the heart of all of these, 90 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: you know, very big debates that we have without knowing 91 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: all the particular details of the case, but making that 92 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 3: choice for the state to uplift a child is a 93 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: big one. Well versus the fatalities relate the rate of 94 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: fatalities and deaths homicides of babies that we are saying 95 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: is still just completely unacceptable. And what worries me even 96 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: more is what about the ones that lives that have 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: gone through years and years of physical abuse that then 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: grow up to be young people. That there's hundreds and 99 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: hundreds of those young people in New Zealand that we 100 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: don't think about those. 101 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, just briefly before the BREAKO matters Mary Party investigation. 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: Do you welcome that and does something smell not quite 103 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: right to you? 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think the Prime Minister's announced that 105 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: the Public Service Commission is going to do a much 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: broader investigation across all the agencies where because you know, 107 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: it is very serious, extremely serious in terms of data 108 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: breaches and whether or not it's impacted the outcome of 109 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: an elections. So yes, I do support what he's done. 110 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: I think it's very important that we do that. It's 111 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: important that the country has got confidence in our processes 112 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: and systems. 113 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: You bag it, Ginny, it's important they do it. I 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: think you are a lot of different agencies being involved, 115 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: so I think it's good the government has initiated a 116 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: single independent review. 117 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: Once again an operational question mark. You don't have to 118 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: delve into the specifics of it, but broadly speaking, the 119 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: bus case in Dunedin where the charges have been laid 120 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: and it was announced yesterday the case will go to 121 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: court in twenty twenty six. What's going on. 122 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: Just we've got a messive backlog in our court. We've 123 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: got the whole criminal justice system needs a complete reset 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: in alignment, and that's that's a big part of the 125 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: work that we're doing. I agree, it's you know, justice 126 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: delayed is justice denied, and we've got to get the 127 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: courts fixed. That's time. 128 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: But it's June twenty four, it's a year and a half, 129 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, And this is a serious crime. It's not like, 130 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: you know, it's some sort of scrap between a couple 131 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: of millionaires who are bored. This is like, this is 132 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: a crime. 133 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: I agree with you, but sadly Unfortunately, this is what's 134 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: been happening. And you know, I've got, as the Corrections Minister, 135 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: I've got fifty percent of the population of corrections at 136 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: the moment are on remand you know, it's a disgrace. 137 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: We've got to get that fixed. That's why we just 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: change legislation that we get to deliver programs to them 139 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: while they're on remand because they haven't been getting any 140 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: programs up until now. But look, we've got to fix 141 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: the system, without a doubt. We've got to get it 142 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: fub better aligned with news technology. There's a lot of 143 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: things that we can do that can actually help with that. 144 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of going on around that. 145 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: Is that a mess you left behind, Ginny not as 146 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: Police Minister in general Justice Minister, Well, we had a. 147 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: Really good program in place called Reframe, and it's been 148 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: not funded. 149 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no. Six. When you're charged with something serious, 150 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't go to court. 151 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: That's exact. The point I'm making is that reframe would 152 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: produce better quality evidence at the scene of the crime, 153 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: so that cases don't fall over when they get to court. 154 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: This is still a problem, So the ability to gather 155 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: good quality evidence and submit it means a guilty, please 156 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: the whole case. If it's If. 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: It's they got no idea what it leans? 158 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so to do Mark, And that's why you didn't, Jenny, 159 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: hold on a simple question. So I get charged with 160 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: something yesterday and I'm not going to court until twenty 161 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: twenty six? What's that got to do with reframe? 162 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: So what Woods would do and speed up the court. 163 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: It's really sad that Mark doesn't understand this, and this 164 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: is probably why. 165 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't speed it. 166 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: But it would up the ability for cases to proceed quickly. 167 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: Sometimes police officers and victims are appearing in court fifteen 168 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: or sixteen times before a case is heard. They're delayed 169 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: and delayed and delayed, and having given earlier on good 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: quality speeds up the process. And it's a real shame 171 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: that the Minister of Police and Corrections. 172 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: I can assure you, Mike that we're doing real work 173 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 2: around making sure that the courts of world. Yeah, things 174 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: like or Jenny, things like using a v L, so 175 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: instead of police officers on a Saturday all coming off 176 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: the street the court, can you a VL to do that? 177 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: What court rooms? Can you listen to the room to 178 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 3: have the capability. 179 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: And it puts and it puts police officers back on street. 180 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: We're looking real, sensible and pragmatic solutions that will speed 181 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: up our criminal justice quick, not this airy theory reframed stuff. 182 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: Karen McAnulty Joy fund it, Karen macinaalty and this is 183 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: for costly as well. On your side of the equation, 184 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Mark Kieren macinalty claiming his wife's flat. Can we ever 185 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of expenses or a people who 186 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: want to bitch about it just going to bitch about it? 187 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, kid just needs to be absolutely transparent 188 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: around you know, the pieces within the rules and accommodation 189 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: allow It's I don't know. I haven't seen to be 190 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: honest with you, I haven't been following on tracking. But 191 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: it's important that in piece we save the public. We've 192 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: got to be transparent. It's text bus money. 193 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: So what do you claim? See Ginny, you don't claim anything, 194 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: do you? Because you're local? Okay? So what do you? 195 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: What do you claim? 196 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: Mark? 197 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: Do you six hundred whatever are dollars a week for 198 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: a Do you? You must own an apartment in Wellington, 199 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: mustn't you? 200 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, So I have an apartment in Wellington the 201 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: first three years that I was in Wellington in Parliament, 202 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: I stayed at the Bolton Hotel, and then I decided 203 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: to buy my own plus here so that I podentually 204 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: leave a suit at least stuff down yet and. 205 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: You claim against that, you claim against the place you own, Yes, 206 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: and you can. You're comfortable with that, and they're good rules, 207 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: and that's just the way it is. 208 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean if I wasn't doing that, I'd 209 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: be spending the same. 210 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: The hotel room in see. I mean, Ginny, there's no 211 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: way around this, isn't I mean, I think Macinaalty's being 212 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: straight up and down its houses and his wife's is 213 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: in his wife's name, not his name. He would stay, 214 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, what do we want from MPs? 215 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: You either travel or you don't travel, You stay or 216 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: you don't say it seems sort of stupid. 217 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: Well it has had, because you know, you do finish 218 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: eleven o'clock plus at night, and if if you're driving 219 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: in our forty minutes to get home and you do 220 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: back on site at eight am the next morning, and 221 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: it's pretty pretty dangerous just to be honest, in terms 222 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 3: of you know, if you're going to drive home over 223 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: them attackers at midnight and you beck on DKT eight am, 224 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: I just don't think that's a realistic expectation. 225 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Now fair enough to Bolton any good, Marke. 226 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: The Bolton's at standing. It's a lovely hotel. 227 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Very good. Next time in Wellington, Bolton that is, Mike Mitchell, 228 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Ginny Anderson. 229 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 230 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 231 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.