1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Together, do for ce Ellen? 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Right, eighteen past five, here we go. It's all on 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: with the feral cats. They're now officially recognized as a 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: pest by the government and they're being added to the 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: Predator Free twenty to fifty hit list. Apparently we could 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 2: have anywhere upwards of two point four million feral cats 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 2: around the country. The chief executive of Predator Free New 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: Zealand Trust, Jesse Morgan, is with us on this. Hello, Jesse, 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: surely hear this. This was the right call. This is overdue, 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: isn't it. 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: This is so so overdue. We've been campaigning on this 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: for quite a long time, so we're really excited to 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: see it finally coming to reality. 14 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: When does it they say this now, but when does 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: it actually like, when do you actually get your hands on, 16 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, the. 17 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Cats, handsome the cats. I'm actually not sure on that detail. 18 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're added immediately or in the 19 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: strategy review, which is due to be released in March 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: next year, so I think it will be won't be 21 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: official tall March. 22 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: Okay, now, Jesse, this this is going to cause trouble, 23 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: isn't it. 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is. I think the public 25 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: perceptions have really changed around feral cats, and I think 26 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: New Zealanders ready for this and have actually been calling 27 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: out for it, So I don't think it's going to 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: cause any issue at all. Cats are really Oh. 29 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: No, you don't have to convince me. I know the 30 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: bad guys. But how do you trap a feral cat? 31 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: How do you trap it? Most of the time, well, 32 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: there's multiple ways. You Either, if you're trapping in areas 33 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: where there might be companion cats, you use a live 34 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: capture trap so the cat is caught, is alive. You 35 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: can scan it to check if it's a feral cat 36 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: or an owned cat, and then you can dispatch of 37 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: it normally by fire. 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: I see a million ways that somebody's pet is going 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: to get caught in this, and then there's going to 40 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: be a drama and some old bit he's going to 41 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: be in the local rag complaining about her pet cat 42 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: being killed. 43 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Don't you think, No, Well, we can't afford for that 44 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: to happen, you know, like we need to maintain social 45 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: license here, so there will be I think there will 46 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: need to be changes around what we do with our 47 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: owned companion cats and if we if we have compulsory 48 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: micro chippink for those cats. Then we can easily identify 49 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: what's a owned cat and what is an unowned cat. 50 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: And that's that's the change we need in terms of 51 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: a policy change. 52 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: Who does the killing by the way, like the hunters, 53 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: can we help you out or is it designated people? 54 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of farmers already control feral cats 55 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: on their farms, and a number of community groups around 56 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: the country. It tends to be done in remote areas 57 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: where there's no there's no companion cats and there's just 58 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: no reason for any cats to be in those areas. 59 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: So that's where it tends to be done. Yeah, but 60 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure if you want to get involved, 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: there's plenty of groups. 62 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: Don't say this is how it gets wild, because next 63 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: minute I'm trapping cats and it's my neighbor's companion cat 64 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: should be doing what were No, No, we don't want 65 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: that at all. Jesse, Thanks very much appreciated. Jesse Morgan, 66 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: Chief executive of Predator Free Newsyland Trust. Do you think 67 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: do we not call them pets anymore? Are they not 68 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: pet cats anymore? They are we we're going full noise 69 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: companion cat. I really hope not there's something about it. 70 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: There's just I don't know. It's just a piece, isn't 71 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 2: It's not a companion. Stop getting weird about your cat. 72 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 73 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 74 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.