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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand. Southby's international realty unparalleled reach

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Speaker 2: I'm the huddle with us this evening. We've go Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame, host of

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Speaker 2: Saturday Mornings in Q and a lads, Hello, Jordan. Big

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Speaker 2: news for the farmers today because they don't have to

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Speaker 2: pay for their emissions. Do you think it's a smart move.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a huge win for the fed farmers, beef

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Speaker 3: and lands as ground swell, et cetera, et cetera. Yes,

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Speaker 3: huge win. And I mean it is stupid that we'd

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Speaker 3: shoot ourselves in the foot and say, look, you New

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Speaker 3: Zealand farmers need to pay for agricultural emissions when no

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Speaker 3: one else in the world is the kill comes back

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand. It hass a third world style emissions

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Speaker 3: profile and then it's you know, the big, the bigger,

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Speaker 3: we're bigger misss of methane, but we've signed on to

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Speaker 3: first world carbon agreements. It is a real problem from

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Speaker 3: an economic perspective and a tax paising perspective. We don't

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Speaker 3: We're pretty uncomfortable with the government playing favorites in terms

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Speaker 3: of industry and the eat yes. Of course, these other

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Speaker 3: industries that are internationally competitive having to pay under easy Yes,

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Speaker 3: why should agriculture be different. But it deppends if you

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Speaker 3: take a purist approach or a you're on the side

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Speaker 3: of farmers. But certainly what it's been about three years

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Speaker 3: of hard work for those organizations and today they.

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Speaker 2: Won't Jackie, are you going to say what I think

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Speaker 2: you're going to say?

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Speaker 4: What do you think I'm going to say?

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Speaker 2: A smart move?

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Speaker 4: No, I think it was an entirely predictable move. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I you know it does feel you love it? Well,

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Speaker 4: I mean it feels like a predictable move in that

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Speaker 4: in that I think Hewak was looking pretty dead. And

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Speaker 4: I mean the associate minister you now have you know,

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Speaker 4: contributing to the government's position on these issues, was themselves

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Speaker 4: vehemently opposed having been part of that you love, I

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Speaker 4: love what smart move? Now, I didn't say it was

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Speaker 4: a smart move? Well, I mean, I think at some

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Speaker 4: point we do have to reckon with our with the

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Speaker 4: role that methane plays. And Jordan's I mean made an

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Speaker 4: interesting comment right, says we've signed up to these international

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Speaker 4: agreements regarding carbon but in a sense we have a

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Speaker 4: third world emissions profile because methane makes up so much

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Speaker 4: of our emissions profile. But of course that the current

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Speaker 4: zero commitments that we have don't include methane. They do,

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Speaker 4: they do include a significant reduction, but it's a band

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Speaker 4: for reduction and methane and in lieu of anything any

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Speaker 4: technologies to bring down our methane reductions that have yet

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Speaker 4: been proven. I do think it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: challenge for future generations to face. And I do find

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Speaker 4: it interesting that so often the industry position on this

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Speaker 4: is one of leakage, right, Like, if New Zealand starts

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Speaker 4: charging methane then you know, charging for methane emissions, then

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Speaker 4: that that industry will move overseas. I looked up the

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Speaker 4: climate courses and stuff, because they did a big report

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Speaker 4: on this, and consequently, the risk of leakage does not

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Speaker 4: appear high enough to provide a convincing argument for New

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Speaker 4: Zealand not to implement solitay to reduce its own emissions. So,

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Speaker 4: I mean, they don't take the Climate Change Commission.

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Speaker 2: But here's own report said that leakage was going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's industry lead, right, No, it was joined

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Speaker 3: that was a point of rocket you know, we're you know,

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Speaker 3: we're together. The other point that the farmers would look on.

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Speaker 3: I arrived at field days this afternoon. We're over the

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Speaker 3: next few days, and so I'm going to fit to

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Speaker 3: put the farmer's head on here. One of the problems

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Speaker 3: no one's really tackled, is that, unlike CEO two, it

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Speaker 3: breaks down in twenty years. So if you can make

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Speaker 3: methane than we were twenty years ago, we are actually neutral.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a fair point, Jack.

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Speaker 4: It breaks It breaks down in twenty years. But but

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Speaker 4: but let me ask does it do Does it have

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Speaker 4: more or less of a warming effect than those twin.

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Speaker 3: More of a warming effect? But as long as you're

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Speaker 2: No, but Jack saying you're only replacing what you were

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Speaker 4: That fast a young But it's not. It's hardly met

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Speaker 3: As long as you're not producing more, you're you're only

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Speaker 3: producing what's breaking down. You're not having a net warming effect.

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Speaker 4: My point is it's not net zero, which is which

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Speaker 4: around the international targets we're signed up to. It's not

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Speaker 2: We might Now I'm going to confuse Jack, because now

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Speaker 2: I feel like you don't think it's a good idea.

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Speaker 4: I don't think what's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Making the farmers taking the farmers out of the ets.

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Speaker 4: No all, I'm saying, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just trying to get you off.

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Speaker 2: You've got your bum pricked on in.

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Speaker 4: Lieu of another option. I think this is going to

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Speaker 4: be an issue that at some point we have to

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Speaker 4: reckon with. We're going to fall out of step with

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Speaker 4: when it comes to when it comes to our missions profile.

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Speaker 4: It's not to say that ECONO was necessarily going to

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Speaker 4: be the best option, but it is to say that

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Speaker 4: I think future generations are probably going to have to

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Speaker 4: reckon with this in some ways.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they calm down, Jack, there's an alternative.

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Speaker 1: There is an alternative that.

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Speaker 4: Can actually do anything about that.

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Speaker 2: There's an alternative which is that actually everybody just calms

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Speaker 2: the farm and realizes climate change may not be priority

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Speaker 2: number one.

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Speaker 1: Will the huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Exceptional

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Speaker 1: Marketing for every property.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're back of the huddle, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams. Jack,

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Speaker 2: do you reckon eighty k is enough to get someone

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Speaker 2: to knarck on that missing Dad and matter corps? I

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Speaker 2: would for eighty k just put that out there.

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Speaker 4: I think it probably is. If indeed there are people

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Speaker 4: who have information which they think they could find them with,

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Speaker 4: then yep, I reckon, I reckon eighty K is probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, children, you could buy yourself a nice

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Speaker 2: high Lucks and still have money left over.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to have a heck of a lot of

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Speaker 3: loyalty to be involved in sheltering the scare that poor

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, while I've got your Jordan on that pole today,

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Speaker 2: do you reckon? Because you're responsible for this, I need

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Speaker 2: to say that you guys pay for this pole? Do

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Speaker 2: you reckon? The Coalition government will ever really improve their popularity?

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Speaker 3: Well, Bulger was never particularly popular, and yet you know

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to do a Mikey Sherman

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Speaker 3: best pole ever. But it is the first of the

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Speaker 3: major polls post budget. Not a hell of a heat

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Speaker 3: of a lot of movement. I thought that the hero

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Speaker 3: saying that it was some shock for the Gnats, well

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Speaker 3: it was. It's all margin of era stuff. I thought

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Speaker 3: it was significant the Maray Party were up a bit

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Speaker 3: It does suggest, though the NATS didn't move a lot

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Speaker 3: or this government's really you're going to have to do

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Speaker 3: a heat of a lot more than or do some

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Speaker 3: actual reform deliver will convince your electorate at in two

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Speaker 3: and a half years time. But they delivered the change

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Speaker 3: of direction or brighter future, whatever you want to call us.

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Speaker 3: Because simply managing it to suggest that you know the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: Jack?

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Speaker 2: It's going to take for them to get popular.

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Speaker 4: I think a period of sustained economic growth that we're

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Speaker 4: unlikely to have for at least twelve months. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I just cannot see them massively improving their popularity stakes

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Speaker 4: I think that would honestly be the same regardless of

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Speaker 4: what parties were in government. Right now, it's just so

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Speaker 4: a very kind of small bump once people start noticing

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Speaker 4: that the tax cuts in their in their take home pay.

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Speaker 4: But honestly, I think regardless of who is in government

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Speaker 4: a pretty tough time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably, So listen, Jordan, I think there's nothing wrong technically

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But the perception is wrong, and I just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a long debate the last few days,

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Speaker 3: and think there was in that MP a few days ago,

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Speaker 3: you know, living in a TACKI and you know, finishing

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Speaker 3: you know he's going to be back at work at seven. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I mean a hotel two nights

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Speaker 3: cheaper than the entitlement. And then now you've got and

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Speaker 3: can pay their own mortgage. It's irrelevant whether it's owned

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Speaker 3: by the wife or the MP. But it just like

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Speaker 3: But it feels it's a pretty bad stinch to it,

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Speaker 3: isn't it? Because no one else. I mean I traveled

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Speaker 3: and pay the mortgage, I think, come on, that's that's

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Speaker 2: You you've given me a sense check on it, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think even though the rules are the rules and

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Speaker 2: I understand why just the thing feels off. Guys, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, Jack, Tam, Jordan Williams a huddle seven

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