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Speaker 1: This Gentleman Ben podcast brought to you by Hello Fresh

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Speaker 1: The Experts and Tastes that kiwis love.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Great to see you again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you look more recently.

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Speaker 2: Look at you, guys, you barely age.

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Speaker 1: Actually, oh, that's very cind of you to say.

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Speaker 2: No, you barely You're still young, barely A being's.

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Speaker 1: Dis here having good life crisis. So that's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I am. Did you have a

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Speaker 1: middle life crisis so to speak?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Will you never recognize your own The fact that you

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Speaker 4: said you are having probably as an indication you're not.

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Speaker 5: Paul. It's lovely to have you back. The Traders. New

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Speaker 5: Zealand is back on last night. Fantastic first season. Our

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Speaker 5: friend Sam ended up taking it out.

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Speaker 2: He was a great winner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I noticed the season less probably well known faces

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Speaker 1: to start off. I'm sure we'll get to know them

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Speaker 1: across the series.

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Speaker 2: And that's a good thing about it. That's what I mean.

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Speaker 4: The American franchise only have celebrities. The British franchise never

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Speaker 4: have celebrity. So we went half and half for the

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Speaker 4: first the first season. But I thought it was a

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Speaker 4: bad idea because you if You've got a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of strangers getting to know each other. It's great that

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Speaker 4: the audience get to know them at the same time.

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Speaker 5: It's a wonderful social experiment.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't a social expend. That's what it is. It's

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Speaker 2: a social experiment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one filmed in South Canterbury at the foot

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Speaker 1: of Mount Horrible. Now why is it called Mount Horrible?

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Speaker 1: Do we know why?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: And that would have been something I could have found

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Speaker 4: out a legit play. It's a legit place. Well, it's

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Speaker 4: a legit mountain.

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Speaker 5: Mount Horrible. It's very New Zealand. Like we wouldn't come

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Speaker 5: out and say it's Mount Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: We're not there.

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Speaker 4: Someone says this is nice of you, thinks so I

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Speaker 4: thought it was horrible anyway.

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Speaker 2: Tall poppy chopping mountains. Exactly the thing I.

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Speaker 3: Wonder, because you know, you've been everywhere over the last

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Speaker 3: few days. Everyone wants to talk to you. They send

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Speaker 3: out alerts, balling rees on news dogs. They'd been our

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Speaker 3: tune and do they So there's still so much demand

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Speaker 3: for you. But you won't come back full time?

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Speaker 4: No, But maybe that's why you know less is more.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't go back full time but it is surprising.

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Speaker 4: But I think it is that it's that whole thing

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Speaker 4: with the with the house. I was watching Million dollar

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Speaker 4: Listing New York the other day, because that's what retired

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Speaker 4: people do.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: Intelligent retired people watch that. Stupid retired people watch tipping point.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I was watching million dollar listing. Oh did you

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Speaker 2: see that one time?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: So, so I was watching million dollars in New York

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Speaker 4: and the guy said he got this new apartment listing,

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Speaker 4: and he said, so what we do will invite everyone

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Speaker 4: but just to a party there and everyone will say,

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Speaker 4: I is it available? And it was on the market,

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Speaker 4: but no, it's not. No, it's not available. Is it

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Speaker 4: going to come up? Is it going to come on

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Speaker 4: the market? Ah, you know it might, but you know

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Speaker 4: you couldn't afford it anyway, and they sold it straight

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Speaker 2: Of me, really, isn't it, Henry?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're not entirely. I wonder if we'll ever find out.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what half of the people listening now

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Speaker 4: are thinking, Oh, God.

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Speaker 2: To be happy.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard from put up your own paywall? Haven't

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Speaker 1: you like pay more if you want more? Of poor Henry.

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Speaker 2: You see, I'm liking this.

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Speaker 3: I love it when you because you spend a lot

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Speaker 3: of time overseas, and I love it when you come

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Speaker 3: back and you give us your little snapshot state of

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Speaker 3: the nation.

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Speaker 1: Because on a lot of time in America as well.

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Speaker 1: Now America. Interesting debate we've been talking about as well

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Speaker 1: on Friday between the two.

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Speaker 2: Where do you stand?

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, I don't know. I feel like I stand

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Speaker 1: with either of them. So many people it feels very

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Speaker 1: much like surely there'd be some other options.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were other options.

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Speaker 1: Were they any good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, okay. So here's the thing. I mean, who

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Speaker 4: knows if Biden's going to make it to the finish line.

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Speaker 4: The only reason, the only way you can get rid

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Speaker 4: of Biden without him, you know, throwing the towel in,

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Speaker 4: the only way you can actually do it is to

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Speaker 4: use the Amendment, which would then make Kamala Harris the

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Speaker 4: president of the United States. She's even less liked than

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden. She's absolutely bloody hopeless. On paper, She's one

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Speaker 4: of those people on paper looks great, you'd employ her

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Speaker 1: Really, yea better on paper?

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Speaker 5: Better on the dream was to probably roll her out.

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Speaker 4: Originally maybe originally, you know who they should have chosen,

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Speaker 4: mayor Peteah Great, you know, young, intelligent. He would have

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Speaker 4: been a great running mate for Joe Biden. And he's homosexual,

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Speaker 4: so you wouldn't have as many people saying, oh, why

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Speaker 4: haven't you got a woman?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's a hamstring for them though, given

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Speaker 4: Do you know? I don't think so now. It would

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Speaker 4: have been a decade ago, but I don't think so now.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm overestimating them, but he would be He would

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Speaker 4: have been a brilliant running mate. But they're really stuck now,

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Speaker 4: I mean, and your point. You know, you've got what

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Speaker 4: three hundred and forty million people, and it's down to

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Speaker 4: two old guys, one of them barking mad and the

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Speaker 4: other one clinically dead. When I said clinically dead, it's

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Speaker 4: almost like weak end.

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Speaker 1: Bernie's alive. So back here, how do you think things

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Speaker 1: are back here when you come back to New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you'd asked me that yesterday, I would have

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Speaker 4: answered differently. But you've asked me today and I have

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Speaker 4: just traveled across town in rush hour. I mean we

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Speaker 4: joke about cones. Honest to god, that's the business to

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Speaker 4: be in, isn't.

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Speaker 1: It's just.

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Speaker 3: It's not horrible if you're in the market for a

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Speaker 3: myth though good access.

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Speaker 2: To me, that's an opportunity for Smith and Cover and

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Speaker 2: the media.

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Speaker 3: Very sad that news HUBBS is coming to an end.

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Speaker 3: I know you would have a We've got an affiliation

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Speaker 4: Are you surprised, No, I'm surprised that people are surprised.

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Speaker 4: You know why why would people be surprised. I mean

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Speaker 4: I suggested that they closed news Hub about five years

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Speaker 4: shut it down. I mean, why are people surprised. Within

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Speaker 4: the last week, one of my neighbors in Palm Springs

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Speaker 4: sent a photograph of my swimming pool and the sky

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Speaker 4: above it with a rocket launching. Now, you can't expect

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Speaker 4: to see that and have everything else stay the same.

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Speaker 4: Shut down, what isn't working and get with the times.

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Speaker 4: It's just they've waited too long to do it. And

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Speaker 4: it's exactly the same with TV and Z. You know

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Speaker 4: they're in crisis talks now. I mean, seriously, that's how

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Speaker 2: Oh look, you've got me on a hobby.

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Speaker 4: For the last bloody decade, society has been telling them

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Speaker 4: that the way they live is changing, the way they

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Speaker 4: you know, the way they consume media is changing. They've

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Speaker 4: done nothing about it, but moan, Oh god, it's hard

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Speaker 4: to get people to watch the news now, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And at the same time they're feeding people the news

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Speaker 4: they think that all those people were going to just

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Speaker 4: again and again?

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Speaker 2: Idiots?

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Speaker 5: So are you glad you're no longer doing that news

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Speaker 5: on TV?

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Speaker 2: You see, there's frustration.

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Speaker 5: You need a podcast. That's what everyone's doing now exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's why I don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys do a pot? Of course you do.

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Speaker 1: Wow, the radio show goes gets made into a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's different. Yeah, no, no skin off your nose exactly.

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Speaker 2: Do you get any extra money for it?

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone listens to But that's all right.

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Speaker 2: And there's a rub with podcasts.

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Speaker 4: And even if they do, how do you monetize it?

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Speaker 4: And I know some people do, but it's the coins

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Speaker 4: it's coins in the palm of your hand.

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Speaker 5: Are you because radios so it kind of stuck in there.

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Speaker 4: It's weird, a weird. Radio has been a survivor. I

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Speaker 4: mean you look at Netflix. They're in real trouble. They've

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Speaker 4: But it is weird the things that survive, and radio

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Speaker 4: along subsequent to radio. You remember that song video killed

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Speaker 4: the radio start, No, it didn't actually video killed itself.

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Speaker 4: And so there are a few things that are survivors,

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Speaker 4: and it's under threat, but still people like a little bit.

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Speaker 4: They want to hear someone tell them the time.

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Speaker 1: Weird, weird. You shouldn't say that media, Yeah you are,

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Speaker 1: hang okay with that, and Ben tells the time but

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Speaker 4: But see, people like that. If it was a it

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Speaker 4: recognize that people like it to be wrong sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just quickly, your daughter, Bellas, there have been twins,

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Speaker 1: Is that right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Twins?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did you predict it to.

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Speaker 1: Predict the twins?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, I just thought I'm looking at you now, Bella.

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Speaker 4: There's more than one and they're either having an adult or.

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Speaker 1: Please tell me.

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Speaker 2: Didn't tell her that she's good like that? So she's

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Speaker 2: in the hospital now and almost.

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Speaker 5: What are you? Popper?

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Speaker 1: Granddad?

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Speaker 2: Granddad?

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Speaker 3: Granddad?

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Speaker 4: It's well they're all Popper is quite conservative too, but no,

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Speaker 4: I quite like granddad.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've got two grandchildren. Really, look at me, for

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Speaker 4: God's sake, John, you.

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Speaker 1: Don't look granddad material.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't act granddad material. But if you didn't

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Speaker 4: know me, and you just looked at me and think,

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Speaker 4: look at that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry old you.

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Speaker 5: Come on here?

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Speaker 1: You know you sprightly, you got a little.

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Speaker 2: I could barely open the door.

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Speaker 1: The door you're not, Joe Biden?

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Speaker 2: Just as heavy are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you hands on? Do you like cuddles with babies.

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Speaker 4: Or I'm not fussed on babies once they've got little personalities.

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Speaker 4: But that's why Jesus made parents to look after them.

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Speaker 2: When they're really left.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Henry, I know you've got a lot of interviews.

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Speaker 1: No love, catch I won't be as good as it

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Speaker 1: traders catch it. It's a great show. You can catch

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Speaker 1: it on three and three now as well. Love you

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Speaker 1: to see you again.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant lovely to come in here. Guys see you th