1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southurby's International Realty Find You're. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: One of a kind, Laura. Can you get Ken Turner on? Please? Yeah? 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Who's Ken Turner? Is he a counselor? 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Is he? 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Okay? Ken, you're coming on the show mate. You've just 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: you've been dumped in it by the mayor. The huddle 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: is with me right now. We've got Trish Shurson Shirson, 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 2: Willis pr and Joseph Gani, CEO of child Fun. Hello, 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: you too, Cureder Hello? Well, what a time have you 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: ever heard of Ken Turner? There? Trish? 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: I just think Ken has just booked a one way 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: ticket to Brisbane. 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: Last heard of Ken. Ken's very important. Now he's going 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: to hide him. 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 4: He's got a bit on apparently. 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. By the sounds of things, jeez, the mayor is busy, Trish, 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: because he's going to the St Mary's Bay meeting? Did 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: you I did? 19 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: I did hear that? I did hear that? Because it 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: wasn't the most energized interview I've heard with the mayor. 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: He does always sound like he's about to get really 22 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: grumpy with you and tell you to go and do 23 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: the dishes. 24 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: I don't Fee. It's not very often we somebody in 25 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: public office sort of you know, making a big deal 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: about the fact that they don't know something. You know, 27 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: normally they you know, Well that's his. 28 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: Appeal, actually, isn't it that he kind of, you know, 29 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: honestly says well, I don't care. 30 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: How that thing happening in Auckland. Don't care. Okay, well, 31 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: this is novel. I really appreciate that. Okay, Josie, what 32 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: did you make of Andrea Vance calling nikolauillis the sea word? 33 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Oh? 34 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: I mean, Andrew Vance is one of our best columnists 35 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 3: in the country. In fact, I think I came runner 36 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: up to her as best columnists of the year one 37 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 3: time and announced that to Keir Starmer and the Prime 38 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: Minister of Norway when I was doing a column with 39 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 3: them where I had to introduce myself and I said, 40 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: I'm New Zealand's second best columnist. So yeah, she's bloody good. 41 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: This is weird. I mean, look, the principle of using 42 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: gender based language as not a good thing has to 43 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: apply both to women and the left and women of 44 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: the right right, So it's not okay. When Mark Richardson 45 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: suddenly asked New Prime Minister to Sindra A Durn that 46 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: you can take time off for a baby when you 47 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: don't a man of a similar age if he's going 48 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: to take time off your baby, right, So, if it's 49 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: not okay for that, it's also not okay for this. 50 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: And I think it's a weird thing that Andrew has 51 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: done because I think she's making a really important point, 52 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: the point she's trying to make. 53 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: No, don't tell me the points she's trying to make, 54 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: because I didn't she's trying to make because I got 55 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: to the seawood. 56 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: That's the whole point, right, is that now we're talking 57 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: about the sea word and whether spreading someone girl Boss 58 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: and girl mass is a bit anti woman. But what 59 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 3: I don't I'm not going to rehearse the argument that 60 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: because I think she is making a good point about 61 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: the getting rid of the gender pay legislation. But she's trying. 62 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: What she was trying to do, I think was to 63 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: say that when when high paid woman I woman, politicians 64 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: attack low paid woman in low paid jobs, it's nastier 65 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: than if men did it. I'm not sure that stacks 66 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: up as an argument. I think when when womensogynistic, I 67 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: think it's just a woman hating a war. That's why 68 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: she was trying to position it like that to say, oh, 69 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: these high paid female politicians are takeing low paid woman 70 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: pay equity. I get the point she's making. I actually 71 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: agree with her, but I don't think you get away 72 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: with making that and saying, oh, that's not gender based. 73 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's difficult. All right, listen, Trisha, I want 74 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: your take, but we'll get it after the break. 75 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary 76 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: results with unparallel. 77 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: Reach, Trishason, Josepegganni our hudle this evening, right, Trish, what 78 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: do you think? 79 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 4: Well? Go ahead to look back. The only other example 80 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: I can find in mainstream media that comes close to 81 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 4: this was way back in twenty eleven where there was 82 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: an incident and it was actually an emails between columnist 83 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: then for the Sunday Star Time, Steve Braunius, and he 84 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: was corresponding over email to a female police prosecutor who 85 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 4: had emailed him about his column, and in his response 86 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: he used the C word and that led ultimately to 87 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: the termination of his column in the Sunday Star Times. Now, 88 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: I am not at all suggesting that in this case. 89 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: I'm just saying this is how bar I had to 90 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 4: look back to find something similar. I agree with all 91 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: the points you've made, and in particular, I think it's 92 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: just that the shock value outweighs and dilutes the message 93 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: that was you know that Andrea was trying to put 94 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 4: forward in the article. So it is. It is unprecedented 95 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: in my view, to have been put in this way, 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 4: and I think what it does also do is call 97 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: into question really where the bar is shifting between you know, 98 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: what you might expect an online comment, which is pretty loose, 99 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: and what you would expect in the mainstream media, and 100 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: I would expect them to uphold higher standards. I think 101 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: the other thing that I had a look at that's 102 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 4: just interesting. On Saturday I read the column on this 103 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 4: from Thomas Coglin in The Herald and it was a 104 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: very useful piece in my view of political analysis on this. 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: It was uner motive and essentially it pulled out a 106 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: couple of interesting points, one of which was the fact 107 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: that a male Prime minister had left the House on Wednesday, 108 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: didn't take questions on this in the House, and in 109 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: fact had left his female deputy leader and Nicola Willis 110 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: not only to front on this, but then Willis popped 111 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 4: up in a surprise move and gave a speech on 112 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: the bill during I think its third reading, and his 113 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: analysis on that was about the fact that this has 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: been very difficult for National Party backbenches. It was landed 115 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: on them under urgency and they're the ones facing their 116 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: heat in the electrics. So when I weigh up the 117 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: two as an interested person interested in politics, I got 118 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 4: more out of Thomas's piece than I did out of Andrews, 119 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 4: because when I read the sea word, and I have 120 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: to admit I don't live a life of blameless excellence. 121 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: I do use the sea word from time to time, 122 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 4: but that stopped me from really getting to the. 123 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: I, which is that my eyes did those little emoji 124 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: circle things and then I just kind of went across. 125 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 3: So we're not going about the issue, you know, which 126 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: is that you're absolutely right, Trish. The problem here is 127 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: that it's been rushed through an urgency without any kind 128 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: of consultation or regulatory analysis because they've got to get 129 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: the billions of dollars out of the budget before Budget 130 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: Day next week. That's what's really happened, and so you know, 131 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: Andrew is making absolutely the right point. But we're all 132 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: talking about girl Boss and girl Maths and you know 133 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: which is patronizing. 134 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: Really, Look, do you know what I think the worst 135 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: bit about it is that we all complain about how 136 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: social media is just so icky. It's just not nice 137 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: to see our newspapers go into the same place, right, 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: I just want us to be a little bit more 139 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: grown up really quickly. What did you think, Josie of 140 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: the social media thing? Did that launched that charity on Sunday? 141 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: Did that go some way to explaining why National had 142 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: had announced that really weird little members bill earlier in 143 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: the week. 144 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: I don't know. 145 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: And I heard Erica Stamford say, no, no, we've got it. 146 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: We had an emotion, and I probably did, because you 147 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: think about it, they went into the election campaign. 148 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: And then they announced it because they knew the thing 149 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: was coming. Yeah. 150 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: I think that. I think banning stuff is easy. And 151 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: we used to say that about labor government banning things 152 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: that don't like, and I think the same is true here. 153 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: It feels like a quick fix and you go, yep, 154 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: I'm a parent, I want to ban it. But actually 155 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: the bigger problem is social media generally, right, And there's 156 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: a lot of things you can do about social media. 157 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: You can remove anonymity for a start. You have to 158 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: be a real person to register. Then you can be 159 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: you know, you know, have a handle of girl Boss 160 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: if you want. But you but you've got to prove 161 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: you're a real person. And I think that that's regardless 162 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: of age. Actually, So there's a whole bunch of things 163 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: that we can do to make for everyone, to make 164 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: it better for everybody. Yeah, I mean, I just think 165 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: you know, if you're trying to go ban it, you're 166 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: going to ban Spotify. 167 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with the ban on kids 168 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: under eighteen smoking SIGI? 169 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: So smoking cigarettes? 170 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: Yes? 171 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: But that But are you going to say, then, Heather, 172 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: that YouTube, Spotify where kids are sharing playlists, YouTube whether 173 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: actually learning a lot of stuff, and YouTube manages not 174 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: to do the All. 175 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: Of these are social media. You have to be clear 176 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: about what a social media perform. 177 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: So that's what you've got to do. Cigarettes, right, that's 178 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: the number of it. Yeah, because if you're if you're 179 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: defining social. 180 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: Media, is define social media. Jonathan Haate has defined social 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: media in his book. 182 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: Yea But but Does it also include Spotify? Does it YouTube? 183 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: No? I don't think it includes YouTube. 184 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: Yes, So that's what you have to clarify first. That's 185 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: I think the point David Seymour was trying to make. 186 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: Thank God for interpreting that robot to me. 187 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: I think that if you look at political bands, often 188 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: they are thrown up as great headlines. As Josie said, 189 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 4: think of the oil and gas band, think of the 190 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: foreign home by a band. They're thrown up as great headlines. 191 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 4: But in this instance, I do think that Seymour has 192 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 4: a point about legislation that is not properly where their 193 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: problem statement is not properly defined, and that means that 194 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: the solution is not members bill. 195 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: The members bill is crappy, but that doesn't mean that 196 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: the idea is crappy. Does it true? 197 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: No? No, and I And that's exactly my point. So 198 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: I think, you know, when the members bill popped up 199 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: on Wednesday, I actually thought that it was a little 200 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: bit disingenuous of Luxen and the government making a big 201 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: deal of it because it's a member's bill. It was 202 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: in the hat. Who knew if anything was going to happen. 203 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: If they are really serious about this there is a 204 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 4: huge amount of work to get this done and make 205 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 4: sure it's effective. 206 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: You have to be so fast, I know. 207 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: Can I make one real question, Yeah, that social media 208 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: is protected by a thing called Section two thirty protection. 209 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: Banks are protected by the same thing. I they're not 210 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: responsible for how the money was acquired. That's in their 211 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: bank vaults. Same with social media. They're not legally responsible 212 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: if you do harmful contents. On the point is maybe 213 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: we need to remove that protection. 214 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you guys, appreciate it. That's hort 215 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: all this evening. 216 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to 217 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 218 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.