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Speaker 2: Good news on teachers. Enrollments are booming. We've picked a

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Speaker 2: ferry company for the unter Islanders. Garage Project be a

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Speaker 2: have save Fortune Favors. Dave Ferguson you'll like and he's

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Speaker 2: a Kiwi. He's at the cutting edge of robotic driving

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Speaker 2: in San Francisco. He's with US. Katherine Field as the

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Speaker 2: EU and Roder Liddle does Great Britain.

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Speaker 1: For US Coscy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Thursday seven past six. Very good news for

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Speaker 2: Fortune Favors. If you missed this, the Beer News Garage

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Speaker 2: Project has come to the rescue Fortune Favors. Well known

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Speaker 2: beer maker fell over last week. Prices up, sales down,

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Speaker 2: economy tight, jobs lost. It's the old hospo or retail

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Speaker 2: story or is it? I mean, how much of the

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Speaker 2: story behind the headline is about the actual business. This

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Speaker 2: is my increasing fascination at the moment. How can Garage

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Speaker 2: Project make something that wasn't working work. They've got the

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Speaker 2: same costs, same beer, same punters. Ben Bailey and the

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Speaker 2: studio just a couple of days ago, expanding. How can

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Speaker 2: you expand in hospit for goodness sake? Well he can,

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Speaker 2: he does. He's bullish, he argues, you do it right,

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Speaker 2: you will succeed. I believe them. How can you not

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Speaker 2: look at his record? Garage Project ironically a linked to

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Speaker 2: Bailey and his new Wellington Pavilion business opening in Oriental

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Speaker 2: Parade next year. Are there awkward questions around fortune favors?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it not the industry but the specifics

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Speaker 2: of the operation at player? I mean, were they not

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Speaker 2: to put too fine a point on it? Simply not

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Speaker 2: good enough? How come Smith's cities in trouble but other

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Speaker 2: furniture players aren't. Is it a niche in the market?

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Speaker 2: Is it location? Is at debt? Is its service? Is

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Speaker 2: it top down leadership? Is it luck? Is it all

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Speaker 2: of those things? Will Garage Project use their bank balance

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Speaker 2: simply to tread water until better days arrived? Is that

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Speaker 2: how the government's thirty million dollar loan program to regional

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Speaker 2: airlines work. Keep the wolf from the door until the

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Speaker 2: growth returns, and then the rising tide basically lifts everybody.

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Speaker 2: Did Garage Project see an opportunity? Or is this ultruism.

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Speaker 2: They simply want to save some beer and a brand.

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Speaker 2: How much risk is involved? These, to me are fascinating questions.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt we're at the bottom of this business cycle,

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Speaker 2: this economic cycle, and what an ugly cycle it's been,

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Speaker 2: and through it many have not survived, of course, But

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Speaker 2: how much of it was ever about the economy versus

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Speaker 2: how much of it was about wrong place, wrong time,

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Speaker 2: bad practice, lack of expertise. Obviously we love an entrepreneur

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Speaker 2: and we wish everyone well, but success is clearly about

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Speaker 2: more than a nice idea and self employment. Maybe risk

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Speaker 2: and startups are really about some pretty exceptional people who,

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Speaker 2: if you can survive what we've gone through, need a

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Speaker 2: lot more recognition than they get.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds begin.

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Speaker 2: At the White House, where we have witnessed another yellow

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Speaker 2: Chair's day and a flyover the guests the Polish President.

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Speaker 2: It was a missing man fly of the formation by

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Speaker 2: the way to honor a Polish pilot killed recently.

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Speaker 1: He dated he lost to child burd So it was

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Speaker 1: a great.

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Speaker 3: Drudged who was a legend in Poland, actually a legend

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Speaker 3: as a pilot. He was an incredible pilot, and I

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Speaker 3: think he went to the Air Force Academy.

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Speaker 2: Actually there was It's like he was his best friend.

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Speaker 2: There was interest, of course, in what the Trumps to

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Speaker 2: thought of yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a beautiful ceremony. I thought it

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Speaker 3: was very, very impressive. But I understood the reason they

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Speaker 3: were doing it, and they were hoping. I was watching,

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Speaker 3: and I was watching. My relationship with all of them

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Speaker 3: is very good. We're going to find out how good

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Speaker 3: it is over the next.

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Speaker 4: Week or two.

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Speaker 2: Related matters. Caul of Epstein Papers also dropped. Trump calls

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Speaker 2: them an abstraction, but some of the Epstein accusers, of course,

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Speaker 2: don't see it that way.

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Speaker 5: We are not going away, we are not going to

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Speaker 5: be quiet, and we are not going to give up.

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Speaker 5: And I ask the American public to stand with us and.

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Speaker 6: Not give up.

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Speaker 2: And then in Britain, wells turned very bad overnight for

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Speaker 2: three pairs. Rahna Angela has admitted she didn't pay that tax,

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Speaker 2: the right tax on the houses, which makes it a

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Speaker 2: hypocrite of course, and the knives are out.

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Speaker 7: I remember when the Prime Minister said the tax evasion

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Speaker 7: is a criminal offense and should be.

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Speaker 8: Treated as all other fraud if.

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Speaker 7: He had a backbone, he would suck her.

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Speaker 2: That's the Tories reformer on that bandwagon.

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Speaker 9: She was so vocal in attacking opposing politicians when she

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Speaker 9: was in opposition.

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Speaker 2: But she can't stand up.

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Speaker 9: And say I'm the biggest typocrite in the land. She

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Speaker 9: has to offer her resignation to the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: As for Old Ange, it's complicated.

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Speaker 10: Apparently, when I'm looking after the children, I go back

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Speaker 10: to the family home, and then when my ex husband

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Speaker 10: is looking after the children he does. And it was

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Speaker 10: done primarily to support my son with his additional needs

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Speaker 10: and to provide stability for them during the divorce.

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Speaker 2: We will be going to rod later. Of course. Finally,

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Speaker 2: watch the scope here shaped FIFA I have announced that

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Speaker 2: the World Cup tickets will be sold for the first

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Speaker 2: time using dynamic pricing. In a nutshell, prices are linked

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Speaker 2: to demand. Of course, anyone who's been in a que

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Speaker 2: at ticket laster at two in the morning, New Zealand

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Speaker 2: time for a river make entire continent medicines where Garden

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Speaker 2: knows how this works, but I dug this. Currently, the

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Speaker 2: cheapest tickets for anyone game will be one hundred and

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Speaker 2: two dollars. The most expensive of the final will start

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Speaker 2: start at eleven thousand, four hundred, So good luck. Maybe

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Speaker 2: try a be a go go. They should be able

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Speaker 2: to help it. Asks of the World and ninety seconds

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Speaker 2: Australian GDP jealous and good News jealous because they're better

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Speaker 2: than we are in good News because they're a trading partner.

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Speaker 2: But Andrew will be the numbers in a moment, not

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Speaker 2: just Rainer, but Reeves has got eight. If you're following

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Speaker 2: the bond market, if you're not following the bond market,

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Speaker 2: start following the bond market. The UK's a basket case,

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Speaker 2: the whole world's basket case, but the UK's of particular

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Speaker 2: basket case. Japan overnights proved to be a problem. How

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Speaker 2: does Reeves balance all of this up? She's announced to

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Speaker 2: autumn budget date November twenty six. I suspect shall be

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Speaker 2: dreading it twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: It's turn Pear Shape and Thailand. Mind you, it was

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Speaker 2: always going to so Shinawatra got thrown out over the

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Speaker 2: weekend by the courts. The bloke who's been running the

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Speaker 2: He submitted a petition yesterday to dissolve parliament because the

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Speaker 2: space fifteen past six from JUA while Pandrew Keller have

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Speaker 2: good morning, very good morning. Make so better than they thought?

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Speaker 11: Ah yeah, yeah. So we have been spending a little

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Speaker 11: bit of time looking across the TASM this week, and

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Speaker 11: I think yesterday delivered good news. I mean, it's one

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Speaker 11: of our largest trading partners as being Australia of course,

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Speaker 11: and they just reported better than expected growth in the

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Speaker 11: June quarter. So June quarter growth is printed at zero

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Speaker 11: point six percent quarter on quarter. Annually they're at one

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Speaker 11: point eight percent. Market expectations were setting a tad lower

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Speaker 11: zero point five percent for the quarter, but there were

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Speaker 11: plenty of pundits around zero point four and the year

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Speaker 11: on year expectations at one point six. So it's a

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Speaker 11: definite beat. And I was supposed to put this into

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Speaker 11: a little bit of context here, Mike. There was a

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Speaker 11: do you remember all the hand ringing earlier this year

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Speaker 11: when growth for the first quarter was reported at zero

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Speaker 11: zero point three percent. And one thing the Aussies have

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Speaker 11: avoiding recessions, and zero point two percent was just too

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Speaker 11: close to zero for comfort. So they've got a long

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Speaker 11: record of robust growth growth. That six percent and one

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Speaker 11: point eight for the year is still below their historic trend,

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Speaker 11: but look, some aspects of the result are encouraging. So

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Speaker 11: the lifting growth was assisted, You could even say it

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Speaker 11: was driven by a zero put nine percent quart from

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Speaker 11: quarter increase in household consumption, and that was the surprise

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Speaker 11: for many of the Australian economists. And the other feature

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Speaker 11: is the role of central governments in Australia. The government

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Speaker 11: has taken quite a different stance from the government here.

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Speaker 11: They've been spending now that impulse is now sort of

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Speaker 11: some evidence that impulse is now diminishing now. Some of

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Speaker 11: the lifting household spending can be attributed to highest spending

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Speaker 11: a little anomaly this year, and that the Easter and

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Speaker 11: the Anzac Day holidays were very close together this year,

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Speaker 11: So you get extra spending on hospitality accommodation. So all

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Speaker 11: in all, you've got a firmer picture of the Australians.

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Speaker 11: You've got evidence of a private sector recovery. I think

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Speaker 12: That was quite flat.

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Speaker 11: It certainly didn't help the Aussie share market yesterday Mike

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Speaker 11: though the a Sex two hundred and found one point

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Speaker 11: And that they've got quite a few interest rate sensitive

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Speaker 11: into question some of those rate cuts and their tech

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Speaker 2: All right, good stuff. Now tell me about gold is

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Speaker 2: are we just freaking out? Is it all?

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Speaker 6: That is?

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Speaker 2: The flight on?

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Speaker 11: Well, look it's a bit of a I suppose it's

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Speaker 11: a bit of investment one oh one. This morning, we've

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Speaker 11: been talking about gold heading all time highs. That's done

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Speaker 11: that again overnight, three thousand, five hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 11: as well, gold is now at close to thirty percent

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Speaker 11: the last twelve months.

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Speaker 2: They're very substantial lift.

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Speaker 11: And now you often hear gold referred to as this

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Speaker 11: sort of haven asset, which means that when investors get

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Speaker 11: towards gold. And there are a range of issues at

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Speaker 11: this possibility of a lower US FED funds rate. Now,

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Speaker 11: when you get when you get lower interest rates, it

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Speaker 11: reduces the funding cost of holding gold, or looking at

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Speaker 11: another way, it reduces the opportunity cost because gold doesn't

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Speaker 11: give you any income. I mean, if you own it, it

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Speaker 11: even costs you money. So lower interest rates actually makes

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Speaker 11: that less of a problem. There's also other safe haven

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Speaker 11: fears coming from a whole range of different perceptions. You

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Speaker 11: just refer to global bond markets. They're being rattled by

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Speaker 11: prospects of rapidly rising fiscal deficits.

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Speaker 1: What are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: why won't that work? There? We go Sorry, I got

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Speaker 2: you now, without no disrespect to you at all. This

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Speaker 14: They have been paying service fees for a long time,

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Speaker 2: Nick appreciated my last Prime minister about it on Monday. Actually,

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Speaker 2: yesterday that he turns up and with your despots, your

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Speaker 2: lineup of weirdos and who was in that same photo.

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Speaker 2: And yet we don't seem to get the same treatment

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Speaker 2: from the New Zealand media here Why not?

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Speaker 1: Eighteen to two the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: B Small Irony. What wasn't covered really here yesterday out

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Speaker 2: of China is that Russia and China are actually signed

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Speaker 2: a major deal. They're going to be building the Power

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Speaker 2: of Siberia to Gas pipeline, so that will set to

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Speaker 2: transit gas reserves in Russia's western Siberia to northern China

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Speaker 2: via eastern Mongolia, possible supply of fifty billion cubic meters

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Speaker 2: of gas per year. The agreement runs for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: The price of gas via the pipeline will be agreed separately,

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Speaker 2: So China and Russia are very happy to do business.

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Speaker 2: Which of corse Funds the war, speaking of which six forty.

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Speaker 1: Five international correspondence with endsed Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: You, Catherine Field, good morning to you. Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: So another Coalition of the Willing meeting. That's a lot

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Speaker 2: of meetings, of meetings were you know, solutions with What

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Speaker 2: are we expecting this time.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're just starting to see the first part of

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Speaker 5: this Coalition of the Willing meeting. Just of an hour ago,

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Speaker 5: President Zelensky of Ukraine arrived at the Elyse Palace and

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Speaker 5: it was there that he made a statement. Also, we're

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Speaker 5: alongside French President's Emanuel Macron. On the one hand, we

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Speaker 5: had Zelenski saying there was no sign that Russia wants

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Speaker 5: to end the war, and we had French presidents Manual

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Speaker 5: macarn saying that they're going to talk about this reassurance

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Speaker 5: force that the Coalition of the Willing are going to

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Speaker 5: put in place. But this is all post conflict. He said,

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Speaker 5: this will happen on the day pieces side, which is

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Speaker 5: then extraordinary thing considering that those talks have stored completely.

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Speaker 5: So what I've got happening right now, Mike, is the

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Speaker 5: military chiefs representing most of the Coalition of the Willing

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Speaker 5: are meeting with Zelenski and the Elsa Palace talking about

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Speaker 5: what exactly they can provide, what they can contribute, how

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Speaker 5: it will all work. Then we've got that big meeting

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Speaker 5: again and just over twelve hours time, when all of

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Speaker 5: the members of that coalitional most of them will come

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Speaker 5: together either video conference or in place actually at the

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Speaker 5: Lysa Palace and to come up with more details of

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Speaker 5: that reassurance force that would eventually be deployed on Ukrainian soil.

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Speaker 2: I've got so many questions out of this, first one

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Speaker 2: being and I mentioned on the program yesterday or the

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Speaker 2: day before, I can't remember the research. So we're starting

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Speaker 2: and I think Denmark was one of the countries that

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Speaker 2: were handful of countries actually paying the bill. But the

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Speaker 2: US weaponry is starting to be bought and presumably will

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Speaker 2: end up on the battlefield at some point. Is the

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Speaker 2: US involved in this given the last time they entered this,

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Speaker 2: they had a meeting, the meeting went nowhere and there

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Speaker 2: was no follow up meeting. How involved is America in

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Speaker 2: all this?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so here's what the Europeans are hoping the US

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Speaker 5: will do. What the Elise Palace have said is that

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Speaker 5: they have got a plan, They've got it all together.

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Speaker 5: They will be able to put your boots on the

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Speaker 5: ground as a second line of defense. They will be

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Speaker 5: able to do everything else. But the only way this

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Speaker 5: can work is if the US gives that security umbrella.

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Speaker 5: Now that means intelligence, training, support, not troops on the ground,

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Speaker 5: but being able to give that air cover which Thelensky

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Speaker 5: has been talking about so much.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: Also, don't forget, just in the last couple of hours

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Speaker 5: mote we've had, the Polish president has been at the

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Speaker 5: White US talking to Donald Trump, and Donald Trump said

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Speaker 5: that he had no intention of pulling US troops out

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Speaker 5: of Poland, a frontline state to Ukraine. There are between

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Speaker 5: eight and ten thousand American troops based in Poland, he

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Speaker 5: said there might even be more. The other thing to

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Speaker 5: remember about how that was such an important announcement is,

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Speaker 5: of course Poland is one of the few NATO countries

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Speaker 5: that's big with their defense spending four point seven percent

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Speaker 5: of GDP this year being spent on the military. A

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Speaker 5: lot of that's going to be spent in the US.

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Speaker 2: So on the one hand, you got the Poles.

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Speaker 5: Saying, you know, look gets in your interest, will buy

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Speaker 5: your weapons.

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Speaker 2: You put your troops there.

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Speaker 5: The Europeans and the others in the coalition of the

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Speaker 5: willing as saying, look, we'll do the hard work on

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Speaker 5: the ground, but to you, the Americans have got to

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Speaker 5: give us the backstop, which means the intelligence and the

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Speaker 5: air cover.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know it's only words, but Putin said

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Speaker 2: yesterday ironically from China, that the war ends with talk

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Speaker 2: or he'll finish it himself. There is no talk, there

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Speaker 2: is no meeting. Trump's been tapped along the seams. Clear now.

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Speaker 2: They must of Europe must have been watching what was

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Speaker 2: happening in China yesterday and been I don't know, ropa

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Speaker 2: ball or at least it must have hardened their result

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Speaker 2: to some degree, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: You do feel that, you really do feel that these

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Speaker 5: pictures that we saw out of China over the last

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Speaker 5: what twenty four to forty eight hours has woken up

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Speaker 5: those who weren't already awake, if you like Mike here,

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Speaker 5: that it's all shifted, all the dominoes are moving around,

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Speaker 5: the new access is there, and that these three, you know,

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Speaker 5: seeing those three who Russia, China and North Korea who

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Speaker 5: are newcle got nuclear weapons. That this is a new

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Speaker 5: ball game.

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Speaker 2: All right. Always good to have you on the program.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you Tuesday. Casroin Field out of plants for

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Speaker 2: us this morning ten to seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Rainfrow Bern News Togs dead

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Speaker 1: be They.

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Speaker 2: Didn't see a lot of yesterday. And the Chinese parade was,

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Speaker 2: of course their navy because it was on land and

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Speaker 2: Teneman Square. Very difficult to get a frigged into the

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Speaker 2: anim and Square. But anyway, I read a fascinating article

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Speaker 2: this week about their ship building. The last two decades,

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Speaker 2: they've ramped up investment, of course into their ships. More

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Speaker 2: than sixty percent of the world's orders this year have

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Speaker 2: gone to Chinese shipyards. Sixty percent. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 2: inter Island. I wonder if they're Chinese. I don't think so,

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Speaker 2: but we'll find out. They won't tell us. Probably that

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Speaker 2: was weird? Was that weird yesterday? With Winston Winster? Everything

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Speaker 2: Winston does is weird. We've picked who it is not

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Speaker 2: going to tell you. I mean, what's that about? Where

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Speaker 2: was I? China's building more ships than any other country

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Speaker 2: because it does it faster than anyone else. That's their success.

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Speaker 2: That's why they're successful in EVS. Chinese ship building capacity

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Speaker 2: is two hundred times over all that of the United States,

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Speaker 2: two hundred times. The party now has two hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty four warships, the US has two nineteen. So add

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Speaker 2: those to what you saw wandering down the road yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Then have a look at the Japanese bond market, the

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Speaker 2: UK bond market, and the flight from the dollar in

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Speaker 2: the US. And if you're not worried by that, I

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Speaker 2: don't know why you wouldn't, Mike, you didn't do due

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Speaker 2: diligence before luxon interview re Amazon employment facts and figures.

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Speaker 2: Expect more from you. I take it you've been sucked

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Speaker 2: in by the radio New Zealand coverage this week, have you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on mate, did they open something up?

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Speaker 2: Is there money in the country? Are people employed? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Be happy five minutes away from seven for the ins

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Speaker 2: are the outs?

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Speaker 1: It's the fizz with business, Faber and take your business

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Speaker 1: productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: There's a week for housing. Let's toss a little bit

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Speaker 2: more data at you. We've got Cotelity's latest home value

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Speaker 2: index for August, so across the country you have seen

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Speaker 2: a drop of zero point two percent for the month.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's is that a drug dumming? Technically it's

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Speaker 2: a drop fifty month in a row. So that's your problem.

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Speaker 2: For the year, prices are down an average of zero

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Speaker 2: point six. So there's ups and downs overs numbers there,

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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you some of those in a moment.

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Speaker 2: The gains from the last year and earlier this year,

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Speaker 2: they've been wiped out basically, So your national median price

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Speaker 2: sets at eight oh nine, lowest level since August of

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Now the main center is Auckland down a

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Speaker 2: half point Now that's material to my mind. Half a

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Speaker 2: point in a month is material. So average price a

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Speaker 2: bit over a million, Hamilton down zero point one, that's nothing.

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Speaker 2: Average price seven fifty three, Towering is flat, remains at

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Speaker 2: nine hundred and twelve, Wellington zero point one, So you've

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Speaker 2: leveled out. I reckon average of seven ninety seven. Christ

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Speaker 2: Church up again, boring, christ Church stopped being so successful

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Speaker 2: up zero point two, average of seven oh six, and

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Speaker 2: Aneedn up zero point four, average of six oh three.

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Speaker 2: Cans get a bit of spinny. Was the time where

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Speaker 2: Dnedan was quite a gap between the rest of the

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Speaker 2: country and Dunedan, but not anymore now for the region's

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Speaker 2: your biggest game with New Plumouth zero point six up

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Speaker 2: Invercargo and Nelson up zero point five percent. The biggest

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Speaker 2: dropt of zero point six was a napier in Hasting.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's about. I've got more to say on

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Speaker 2: this because we're sort of a little bit active in

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Speaker 2: the property market at the moment. It's a fascinating time

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Speaker 2: in Auckland.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't don't freak out if you're not in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying not to bore the rest of the country here.

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Speaker 2: But David Seymour that there's a whole new draft plan

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Speaker 2: in Auckland that involves tremendous numbers of high rises and

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Speaker 2: it's going to look like Hong Kong. And you might

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Speaker 2: like Hong Kong. I used to like Hong Kong toll

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Speaker 2: the Chinese role than but that's another story anyway. David Seymour,

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Speaker 2: who is part of the government, is taking on his

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Speaker 2: own government because as an Auckland MP, he doesn't like

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Speaker 2: the look of what's going to happen. But part of

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Speaker 2: the problem is no one seems to know what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen. Saying things and doing things are two completely

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Speaker 2: different matters. But anyway, he's with us on that after

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Speaker 2: seven thirty. But as I say, we'll get to these

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Speaker 2: the inter Island fairies. We'll try and get some more

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Speaker 2: detail than that for you right after the news.

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Speaker 1: Which is next, the Breakfast Show, Kiwi's Trust to Stay

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Speaker 1: in the Know, the mic asking, Breakfast with A Veda, Retirement, Communities,

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Speaker 1: Life Your Way News.

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Speaker 2: Togs Head be only seven past seven, so the Chief Justice,

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Speaker 2: in an annual report tells us of stress and lack

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Speaker 2: of facility, shortage and resources lawyers and access to just

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Speaker 2: as serious offending that's murder and manslaughter now makes up

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Speaker 2: seventy six percent of all new trials in the High Court.

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Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister of Courses, with us, good morning,

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Speaker 2: good morning, we got alarm bells or this is what

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Speaker 2: we know?

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Speaker 7: Well, yes, this is is what we know. There has

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Speaker 7: been a lot of pressure in the justice system and

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Speaker 7: so we're doing everything we can to focus on speeding

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Speaker 7: up the processes of the courts and recognizing that obviously

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Speaker 7: the very difficult and demanding role that our judges play

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Speaker 7: on behalf of the rest of society. You know, quite

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Speaker 7: often the dealing with people on the worst day of

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Speaker 7: their lives were one of the most stressful days of

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Speaker 7: their lives. So it is a difficult environment, but we're

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Speaker 7: doing everything we can to help on that front. On

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Speaker 7: that front, what are you doing, Well, we're increasing the

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Speaker 7: number of High Court judges. We've got a bill in

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Speaker 7: the House lifting it by two and we're actually going

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Speaker 7: to amend that to have the possibility to go up

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Speaker 7: by another three. On top of that, we're investing in

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Speaker 7: a whole lot of new courthouses around the country. We've

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Speaker 7: got a real focus on digitizing the system. You know,

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Speaker 7: we've inherited a situation which has been going back over

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Speaker 7: many decades now where it's still a very paper based

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Speaker 7: system and we've got to get it modernized.

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Speaker 2: From personal experience, I just when I was lasting quote,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how nineteen seventy three it looked. Is

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Speaker 2: that being fixed and fixed rapidly?

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Speaker 13: Yes.

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Speaker 7: The fundamental thing is around digitizing the whole process and

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Speaker 7: not having people wandering around with big folders. And so

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Speaker 7: we're underway. We should be in the Family Court starting

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Speaker 7: that next year. Well, actually implementing.

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Speaker 12: It next year.

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Speaker 7: So they've been working for a couple of years. They

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Speaker 7: have tried in the past and failed, so we're making

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Speaker 7: sure we get it right this time round.

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Speaker 2: The length of trials, they talk of, how much is

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Speaker 2: that about the law and maybe the law needs amending,

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Speaker 2: or how much of it's about soft judges that go, yes,

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Speaker 2: you can have an adjunment, Yes you can have a

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Speaker 2: delay and maybe then get stretched out.

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Speaker 7: Well, the Chief Justice referred to the fact that there's

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Speaker 7: quite a lot of trials now with multiple players. I

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Speaker 7: saw one in the bar plenty recently where more than

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Speaker 7: ten people were charged, and so that is more complicated.

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Speaker 7: But look that there's always been complications in the system.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we're obviously focusing on reducing crime role and

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Speaker 7: that will flow through, but in the meantime, there's a

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Speaker 7: lot of work to do.

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Speaker 2: Was that a very delicate way of not criticizing I

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Speaker 2: just wonder how much butt coverings going on here, and

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Speaker 2: the judges toughened up a little bit, things might happen

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Speaker 2: a little bit quicker.

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Speaker 7: Well, well, yes, I can see you're sort of trying

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Speaker 7: to go me into criticizing the judges, and I'm not

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Speaker 7: going to do that because it's you know, it is

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Speaker 7: actually an important sort of institutional norm that we have

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Speaker 7: a separation of powers.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. But when the Chief Justice goes

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Speaker 2: this is broken, and one of the fairly obvious parts

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Speaker 2: that is broken might be because of their behavior. You've

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Speaker 2: got to push back of it, don't you.

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Speaker 7: Well, well, what I would say is that all of

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Speaker 7: the all of the different parts of the justice system

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Speaker 7: have to contribute to improving and so speeding up the

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Speaker 7: courts is a classic classic systems challenge. Where you've got corrections,

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Speaker 7: you've got police, you've got the judges, you've got the judiciary. Sorry,

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Speaker 7: you've got the justice system. You've got a whole lot

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Speaker 7: of other different players, and everybody tends to blame each

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Speaker 7: other sometimes for the situation. And so that's why we

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Speaker 7: get everybody into the same room on a regular basis

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Speaker 7: and say, well, look, what are the twenty things we

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Speaker 7: can do that will help, And once we've done those,

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Speaker 7: what are the next twenty things we can do? It

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Speaker 7: will help partly legislation, partly you know, technology and making

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Speaker 7: sure the Wi Fi works, the basic sort of stuff,

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Speaker 7: and partly yep, the rules of the courts are an issue,

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Speaker 7: and we work our way through all of those things

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Speaker 7: in a collective and collaborative fashion.

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Speaker 2: Got yourself out of that one nicely, Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister.

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Speaker 2: It is ten minutes past seven.

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Speaker 14: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Who doesn't want to be a teacher. We've got a

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Speaker 2: thirty percent jumping enrollments three and a half thousand, five

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five students this year compeed to twenty

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Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifteen last year. Primary is up thirty one,

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Speaker 2: secondaries twenty eight. He sees up twenty four. John O'Neil's

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Speaker 2: professor of Teaching education at Massa University and is with

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Speaker 2: us John, Morning, Morning, Mike, these golden days.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's certainly a turnaround, isn't it. So it's good news.

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Speaker 13: And the challenge, I suppose is to find out what

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Speaker 13: are the causes? Why is it happening?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to cluse you've got any ideas. What's it?

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Speaker 2: Can't just be Erica Stanford and putting walls up in

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Speaker 2: the classroom, ken it.

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Speaker 13: No, of course it can't. It's partly cyclical, so every

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Speaker 13: time there's a recession or an economic downturn, numbers in

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Speaker 13: it and other training programs tend to go up, so

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Speaker 13: that's part of it. The challenge for government is really

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Speaker 13: that we're in the middle of a sort of ten

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Speaker 13: year growth cycle in school role. So Ministries Forecasting says

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Speaker 13: that by twenty thirty there'll be an extra hundred thousand

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Speaker 13: students in school. So even though the numbers are up,

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Speaker 13: they need to there's an ongoing challenge to keep them

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Speaker 13: in the system, and we've also got an aging teacher workforce.

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Speaker 13: The subsidy for school based placement is certainly helping, but

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Speaker 13: it's a tiny fraction. So twenty thousand subsidy get people

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Speaker 13: into the classroom early on, have school based teacher training.

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Speaker 13: That seems to be a real incentive for people to

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Speaker 13: take part and for schools to host students. But it's

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Speaker 13: a tiny fraction of the overall numbers, so money could

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Speaker 13: be an issue going forward. So it's the subtle center

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Speaker 13: as well.

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Speaker 2: Does the split interest you thirty one, twenty eight, twenty four,

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Speaker 2: it's reasonably even across the sector.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. The thing I was surprised about was early childhood

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Speaker 13: numbers up to the extent that they are, particularly in

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Speaker 13: light of changes made by Minister Seymour in terms of

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Speaker 13: starting salaries and deregulation and changing the ratio. So we

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Speaker 13: know we're already got a challenge in getting people into

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Speaker 13: early childhood education. So it's a real surprise for me

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Speaker 13: to see those numbers holding up in the same way

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Speaker 13: that primary and secondary were.

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Speaker 2: Very encouraging, John, appreciate your insight, Professor of Teaching Education

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Speaker 2: at MESSI it is thirteen minutes past seven pasking. I

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Speaker 2: don't think people realize Mike, how massive Amazon aw is

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Speaker 2: coming here is maybe that should take some personal leadership

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Speaker 2: and do some of their own research before they message in.

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Speaker 2: It's the weirdest story. I mentioned this earlier on in

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Speaker 2: the week, the media's obsession with a building that may

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Speaker 2: or may not have been built on a bit of land.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know it hasn't been built, and what

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Speaker 2: that means, and how come it a good news story

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Speaker 2: became an alleged scandal sort of. I just, I just

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Speaker 2: I'm exasperated by it. Mike. I would feel much more

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Speaker 2: comfortable about your cheerleading of China. I know where you

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Speaker 2: get it that I cheerlead China if only I could

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Speaker 2: be convinced that the Chinese government have peaceful intentions and

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Speaker 2: respect democracy and human rights. Well, they're not into democracy

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Speaker 2: and they never have been. They're not a democracy and

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Speaker 2: I don't know waky waky, Peter, they're not starting now.

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Speaker 2: And human rights they're not into that either, really, but

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Speaker 2: we don't deal with them on that level. We deal

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Speaker 2: them with the trade partner, the one of the most

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Speaker 2: powerful businesses and companies and economies in the world, and

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Speaker 2: that's how we interface with them. Mike, you talked about

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Speaker 2: the seven eight. Have you talked about the seven eightyf

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Speaker 2: members found dead in Germany? Debs don't for question mark me.

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Speaker 2: I've read enough about that at this point. I'm not convinced,

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Speaker 2: but I am reassured to a degree. Look it up.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know what we're talking about, I'm reassured

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Speaker 2: to an appropriate degree that there is no scandal there. Mike,

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Speaker 2: Are you going to be able to tell us how

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Speaker 2: on Earth? H Clark and j Key rationalize attending Zee's

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Speaker 2: big birthday party, Bryce, I can't.

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Speaker 8: So there you go, cheerleading China again.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a mistake. I've heard Helen's I've

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Speaker 2: got I like them both. I like Helen, I like John.

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Speaker 2: They were both very good prime ministers. And I get

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Speaker 2: the basic explanation. They were marking the end of World

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Speaker 2: War two, but were the Chinese? Not really so optics

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Speaker 2: are important and I think they might have got the

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Speaker 2: optics wrong. Fifteen past the.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen past seven, another step closer to our two new

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Speaker 2: inter Island fairies. Shipyard's been selected. We've got a price,

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Speaker 2: I think in a timeframe deal. The ink needs to

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Speaker 2: be put on some paperwork somewhere. Chris McKenzie's the chair

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Speaker 2: of Faery Holdings and is with us Chris Morning. As

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Speaker 2: a process smooth sailing, no pun intended or not.

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Speaker 16: It has been smooth sailing, but it has been a

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Speaker 16: fairly concentrated process with because of the timeline of twenty

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Speaker 16: twenty nine. We've had to push the staff and the

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Speaker 16: shipyards quite hard, but it has all gone very well

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Speaker 16: up to this point.

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Speaker 2: In going to the world with a deal like this,

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Speaker 2: are there plenty of people who are keen or will

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Speaker 2: we small beer?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 16: We started off with over sixty yards, then came down

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Speaker 16: to fifteen to twelve and then the final six. And

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Speaker 16: the reason for the final six was. They were the

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Speaker 16: yards that gave us a very good guarantee that they

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Speaker 16: could have the two ships by twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: So where literally are we at on time frame and price?

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Speaker 2: Is that locked in? Or are we going down to

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Speaker 2: micro negotiating?

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Speaker 16: Now we have signed a letter. I signed a letter

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Speaker 16: of intent on Monday. We've had a response from the shipyard.

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Speaker 16: We now go into technical negotiations, even down to things

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Speaker 16: like where the toilets are located and so forth, and

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Speaker 16: those are to be completed and a contract will be

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Speaker 16: sold in November or December, which meets the deadline that

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Speaker 16: we had for the end of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Right. Compare it to a car. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you know anything about cars. What have we bought? We

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Speaker 2: bought a Toyota Corolla? Have we bought a nine to

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Speaker 2: eleven Porsche? What have we bought?

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Speaker 16: I would say that we brought and Obecca. We've bought

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Speaker 16: a good solid.

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Speaker 2: Holden Holden, what Camara, Holden, Commodore, Holding Commodore. There you go.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you lot, size, engine or manual

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Speaker 2: or automatic? But okay, we like it. So you're happy

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Speaker 2: with where we're at.

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Speaker 16: I am very happy with where we're at. I'm happy

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Speaker 16: with the discussion that we've had with the shipyards. You know,

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Speaker 16: we've had shipyards in four different countries. We've come down

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Speaker 16: to one and that will be announced at the time

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Speaker 16: that we signed the contract.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time very much, Chris. Chris mccanzi, who's the

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Speaker 2: chair of Ferry Holding's Greg Murphy, will have fallen off

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Speaker 2: this chair eating this breath.

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Speaker 8: So we're going to be able to get the parts

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Speaker 8: of it.

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Speaker 2: They bought a hold. They bought a hold in Commodore.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about building up in Auckland and intensification in

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Speaker 2: a moment. Seven twenty.

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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty sixth lasking se twenty four trouble with

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Speaker 2: change as apart from the fate we don't like it is.

884
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: It's essentially bad, and especially bad if we don't know

885
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Speaker 2: what it is.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: The good news for real estate this week has been

888
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: the foreign buyers changes for visa holders of course, added

889
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: to that and we've had a series of interest rate

890
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: cuts with more to come. But but in a place

891
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: like Auckland, what do you buy and where see? There's

892
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: no small amount of banks currently over a new plan,

893
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: unitary plan and tenttification plan, draft plan, call it whatever

894
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: you want. The new plan came out of the government's

895
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: idea of having three houses three stories tall on a

896
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: regular section with no real clearance required. Auckland didn't want that, apparently,

897
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: so they were and allowed to make up their own.

898
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Speaker 2: So the answer, roughly at the moment, appears to be

899
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: high rise and a lot of it around public transport

900
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Speaker 2: hubs Q. The outrage Q, the upset, the questions, the

901
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: heated meetings. Now the new plan must be able to

902
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: accommodate two million new houses. Doesn't mean they'll actually turn up,

903
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: but it means to accommodate them. What this does to

904
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: a real estate market is very simple. It hobbles it,

905
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: especially at a time when none of the decisions are made,

906
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: or in any sort of concrete what neighborhood is affected?

907
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Fair question? What part of that neighborhood? See, we looked

908
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: at a place the other day currently mixed use, next

909
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: door being commercial. Could be twenty seven stories tall. It's

910
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: not currently, but it could be another place. Nice view

911
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: of the harbor apart from the house in front. That

912
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: could be multi story. It isn't currently, but it could be.

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Speaker 2: You don't look at a house anymore. This is the problem.

914
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: You don't look at a house anymore. You look at

915
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: the house next door or behind it, or around it,

916
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: or down the street. What is it? What could it be?

917
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: A dunger that's ripe for future trouble, so you don't buy.

918
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: There's little in life to fire us up more potently

919
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: than our castle and its environs being meddled with. Making

920
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: it worse, specifically in a place like Auckland, is the

921
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: fact the place has been butchered by clowns. You wouldn't

922
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: trust these people to run your bar, far less the city.

923
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: So as we sit and wait and debate and get

924
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: tents and object and fume and worry, how many people

925
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: who are about to borrow or spend or shift or

926
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Speaker 2: expand or build in our second guessing themselves and in

927
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: second guessing doing nothing. Pasky, Mike, happy for our ex

928
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Speaker 2: prime ministers to share air with the Chinese leadership. We

929
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: need more informed dialogue between nations, not less. Not a

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Speaker 2: bad point, Key and Clark might know how to play

931
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Speaker 2: the game. Also not a bad point, Mike. Trump is

932
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Speaker 2: turning the US into a dictatorship. It's his way or

933
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Speaker 2: the highway. It's not a dictatorship. Are at a very

934
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Speaker 2: good piece to look it up if you can be bothered.

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Speaker 2: In the Financial Times, Ray a guy called Ray Dalio,

936
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Speaker 2: and he started a company called Bridgewater. He's a heavyweight

937
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Speaker 2: player in the money markets. He calls it an autocracy

938
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Speaker 2: and he cites history, looks back to the thirties. He

939
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Speaker 2: reckons it's a thirty style autocracy where the government suddenly

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Speaker 2: is involved in intel ten percent and we might buy

941
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Speaker 2: a bit of them and a bit of those people

942
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Speaker 2: over there, and oh you can you can export those

943
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Speaker 2: chips and video, but you are going to give us

944
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Speaker 2: twenty percent. It's that sort of style of government is

945
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Speaker 2: what you're seeing unfold in America at the moment. But

946
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Speaker 2: Ray Dalio is always worth listening to. The name rings

947
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Speaker 2: a bell right the aforementioned intensification angst worry David Seymour's

948
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Speaker 2: and Auckland MPI. So he's into it, we'll talk down

949
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Speaker 2: about it. Next.

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951
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Speaker 2: Tog's dad b was an interesting keys in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: of Dribler's Cars, robotic cars. And he used to work

955
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Speaker 2: with Weimo and Google and all of that before he

956
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Speaker 2: went out on his own. So we'll talk with him

957
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Speaker 2: up to ode o'clock mean time back here at twenty

958
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Speaker 2: three away hard to overstates have tried to just before

959
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Speaker 2: the news the sort of angst in Auckland at the

960
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Speaker 2: moment over this new intensification plan or draft plan or

961
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Speaker 2: whatever you want a court without boring the rest of

962
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Speaker 2: the country. The housing minister wants the potential for two

963
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: million more homes. People may not want to vote in

964
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Speaker 2: the local body elections, but you don't want to mess

965
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Speaker 2: with their backyard. Boy, you get them exercise. Then local

966
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Speaker 2: MP David Symour plans to lobby the Council around an

967
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Speaker 2: adequate infrastructure and poor developments and he's with us. Very

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Speaker 2: good morning to you.

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Speaker 12: Good morning mate, So do you speak to us.

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00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: This morning in your capacity as actively the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister or MP for EPSOM.

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Speaker 17: Well primarily is MP for EPSOM, and that capacity, my

973
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 17: job is to ensure that the residents I represent in EPSOM,

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Speaker 17: Mount Eden, Newmarket, Parnell and Remuera suburbs have their interests

975
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Speaker 17: advocated for within the political process under the law, so

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Speaker 17: that everyone understands what's going on and that their views

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Speaker 17: are heard. And that's simply a job that I see

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Speaker 17: as my first and most important because while I represent

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Speaker 17: a lot of people on behalf of acts, and while

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Speaker 17: I minor to have some job in the governments of

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Speaker 17: New Zealand, it's the people in the EPSOM Electric who

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Speaker 17: gave me the ticket to attend.

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Speaker 2: What would your assessment of the level of Angston Auckland

984
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Speaker 2: be and are other Auckland MPs as active on this

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Speaker 2: as you are.

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Speaker 17: I'm aware that other Auckland MPs are getting feedback, in

987
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 17: some cases voluminous feedback on this issue. Frankly, I don't

988
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Speaker 17: believe it's as strong as it could be because of

989
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 17: the way that the Auckland Council has behaved. In order

990
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Speaker 17: to find the maps of how the zoning will change,

991
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Speaker 17: whether your neighborhood will be zoned for up to fifty

992
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 17: meter towers or just have its zoning changed from one

993
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Speaker 17: existing Auckland zone to another. In order to find those maps,

994
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Speaker 17: you actually have to go into the section of the

995
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 17: Auckland Council website where they keep the minutes of the meetings.

996
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 17: Then you've got to go to the Special Planning Committee's minutes.

997
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 17: Then you've got to plow through that to download these images.

998
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 17: Now I talk to people at the Herald who that

999
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Speaker 17: the most read story on their page last week was

1000
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Speaker 17: about this topic. But if you go to the Auckland

1001
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Speaker 17: Council website, the thing that people are most interested in

1002
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Speaker 17: as one of the most hidden things. So I suspect

1003
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Speaker 17: interesting as people get more information, they will take an

1004
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Speaker 17: interest in it. My challenge to Auckland Council is rate

1005
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Speaker 17: payers paid for these maps. You've been preparing them since

1006
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Speaker 17: April and then you release them after Parliament voted on

1007
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Speaker 17: the legislation, which you clearly knew was coming. But chose

1008
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Speaker 17: to prepare a plan that you used for your purposes,

1009
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Speaker 17: but not to inform public debate about. And I think

1010
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Speaker 17: that as Shane fall, they should put it on the

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Speaker 17: front page of the website this morning.

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Speaker 2: Which is the really interesting thing for a person like

1013
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: me is trying to sort of wait and stand in

1014
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Speaker 2: the middle of all of this is this is the

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Speaker 2: interface between local government and central government. It is central

1016
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Speaker 2: government who wants it. It's Chris Bishop who's pushing for this,

1017
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Speaker 2: and local government doesn't necessarily want this particular way, but

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Speaker 2: they didn't want three houses of three stories on a

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00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: six hundred square meet property of the Twain shall meet in.

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Speaker 2: That is the angst, isn't it.

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00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 12: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 17: I mean not to go through all the history, and

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Speaker 17: I'm conscious that there are non Auckland listeners on the shows,

1024
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Speaker 17: I apologize to them, but look, basically, you know, the

1025
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Speaker 17: medium density residential standard was a deal between the Labor

1026
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 17: government of the day and supported by the National Party

1027
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Speaker 17: in opposition that would have said you can build three

1028
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 17: three story houses basically every section in Auckland.

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Speaker 12: I oppose that from the get go. I think that

1030
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 12: was mad.

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00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 17: For example, we saw shortly after that agreement flooding and

1032
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 17: real damage and destruction across Auckland. All of those places

1033
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 17: and floodplains were deemed to have three three story houses

1034
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Speaker 17: on them. So we've defeated the MDRS. I'm pleased we've

1035
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 17: done that. The government has made a massive improvement on it. However,

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Speaker 17: the plan that has been produced by Auckland Council, as

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Speaker 17: Chris Bishop noted in his column this morning, that requires

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Speaker 17: almost no greenfield develop all intensification. It requires half of

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Speaker 17: Parnell to have fifty meter buildings. Now, I just make

1040
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 17: the point that you know to only two years ago

1041
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Speaker 17: that we had a building fall into a sinkhole because

1042
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Speaker 17: a one hundred and twenty year old brick sewer underneath

1043
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Speaker 17: Parnell imploded and everything fell down into it, and we

1044
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 17: had two years of fixing that up. So the idea

1045
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 17: you're going to intensify that rate there doesn't make sense.

1046
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Speaker 17: So we've got an improvement, but now we've got an

1047
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 17: obligation I think to make sure that we really go

1048
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 17: through this from an Auckland perspective and make sure that

1049
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 17: the plan actually makes sense in that Chris Bishop has

1050
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 17: the ultimate say, and I'm also rarely determined that someone

1051
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 17: I consider a very good friend and a very impressive

1052
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 17: politician doesn't get demonized for his role as some people

1053
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Speaker 17: are trying to do in Auckland.

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Speaker 12: That would be wrong. And I actually agree with Chris

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Speaker 12: about one other thing.

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Speaker 17: If we want this country to work, then the next

1057
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 17: gen must believe that if you do all the right stuff,

1058
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Speaker 17: listen to your teacher, study, grow up, get a job,

1059
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 17: save your money carefully, then you will have a place

1060
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Speaker 17: of your own.

1061
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Speaker 12: As soon as you take away the.

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Speaker 17: Ladders of opportunity to a property owning democracy, you get

1063
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Speaker 17: a generation who doesn't believe in that concept and you

1064
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Speaker 17: have big trouble. So we do need to make it

1065
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Speaker 17: easier to build a home, But what we absolutely cannot

1066
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Speaker 17: do is dis locate planning and infrastructure provision, which will

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Speaker 17: lead to a total disaster. So it's a bit of

1068
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Speaker 17: water to go under this bridge. But I believe we'll

1069
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Speaker 17: get to a better place.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you're right. Nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciated David Simai. Let's call him the MP for EPSOM.

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Speaker 2: On that particular one I think we mentioned a week ago,

1073
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Speaker 2: the Boss went along to his first ever a public

1074
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Speaker 2: meeting in a big church hall. In the church hall

1075
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Speaker 2: was because he suddenly he bought his house and he's

1076
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Speaker 2: looking next door and he sees the plan and the

1077
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Speaker 2: plan has got the multi story building next door, and

1078
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Speaker 2: he suddenly freaks out. And this is how this whole

1079
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Speaker 2: thing goes. He goes along to the public meeting first

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Speaker 2: and his life place is packed. So there's the day.

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Speaker 2: It's right this more where that came from? Seventeen too good?

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Speaker 5: It be.

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Speaker 2: Mike fully supported in terms of housing and the cities. However,

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Speaker 2: where on earth did they get the number two million?

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00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: Come from? Where it's not two million? This seems everyone

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00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: seems confused about this. It's not about two million more houses.

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00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: It's the ability to cope with potentially two million more houses.

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Speaker 2: The Bishop article that seem more references in the Herald

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Speaker 2: this morning. Speaking of the Herald, they've done the mapping.

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00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: If you're interested in the mapping, you can have a

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00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: look at that, and it said it's relatively easy to

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00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: work through. Technically speaking, Mike, something like a third of

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00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: the country lives in Auckland. Every time we have to

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00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: talk about an issue here, you apologize to the rest

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00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: of the country. I neihverhood. You apologize to Auckland as

1098
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: every time you focus on issues outside of the region. Well,

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Speaker 2: to be fair to the program, I walk a very

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Speaker 2: fine line. The difficulty of a national program is that

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00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: there are pockets of interest in different parts of the

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00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: country depending on the circumstances. And to be also fair,

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Speaker 2: we don't often focus on individual issues in regions like

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Speaker 2: you know, the last I can't remember the last time

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00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: we talked about the West Coast specifically. So Auckland does

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00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: buy its sheer size get some more attention than other places.

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Speaker 2: But and I'm just very aware that if you're sitting

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00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: in to Mauru this morning on Nelson, you're probably not

1109
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: that grip by Auckland. So I'm just trying to be

1110
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: the nice guy about it.

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00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 8: And obviously the stuff in Wellington's is just funny.

1112
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Wellington, let me introduce a little Wellington topic.

1113
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 2: Poll out yesterday Andrew Little's leading. It's one of those

1114
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: weird polls where it says absolutely nothing. I'm overpolling. I'm

1115
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: sick of polling.

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00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 8: Shall we ban it?

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00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: No, we shouldn't ban it. I mean, if people want

1118
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: to spend money on polling, let them do it.

1119
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean on the show.

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00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe maybe I'm pretty close to it, to be honest.

1121
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Speaker 8: Allowed it like three months out from election.

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00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we should have an election rules because yesterday

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00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: is there are more people undecided than there are for

1124
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: Andrew Little, who's the most popular candidate in the race.

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Speaker 2: As for those numbers in the Tanucky by election, three thousand,

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Speaker 2: seven hundred out of forty four thousand, I mean, are

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00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: you serious? Is that really disinterested? You are? What the

1128
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: hell's the point of being enrolled if you can't literally

1129
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 2: haul your ass out and vote when you have the opportunity. Anyway,

1130
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: So Little's thirty percent and he leads, but forty percent

1131
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: are undecided. Are they undecided or they just can't be bothered? Anyway?

1132
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: So that was a poll out yesterday, and I assumed

1133
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: he was going to win, and win easily. That's my poll.

1134
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: A couple of court cases, by the way, just quickly

1135
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: say you're up to speak. So Google, I didn't follow

1136
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: this with the microscope, but I followed it close enough

1137
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: to think to myself that I reckon Google were going

1138
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: to lose Chrome but they didn't, and I reckon that's

1139
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: probably one of the bigger judicial stories globally this week.

1140
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: They get to hold Chrome plaintives overreached and seeking forced

1141
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: a vestiture of these key assets which Google did not

1142
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: use to affect any illegal constraints. So I think the

1143
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: key word there is illegal as opposed to highly dodgy.

1144
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: Fox are being sued this morning by Newsmax. This is ridiculous.

1145
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: Newsmax are arguing that Fox has repressed them or suppressed

1146
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: them sort of I think, not dissimilar to how we

1147
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: suppress Morning Report. But for Fox's anti competitive behavior, Newsmax

1148
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: would have achieved greater PATV distribution, seen its audience and

1149
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: ratings grow sooner, gained earlier critical mass for major advertisers,

1150
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: and become over all the more valuable media company. Now

1151
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: they don't explain how that's happened other than Fox turning

1152
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: up each day and doing quite a good program that

1153
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: people like. Sort of like this, jeez, the moment you

1154
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: get sued for success and I'm counting for Zip for

1155
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: Trump this week in court because the FTC commissioner she

1156
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: won yesterday. Her name Slaughter, Rebecca Slaughter, so she's in

1157
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: the Appeals Court. She's one of the people that Trump

1158
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: sacked lowered. District Court ordered a reinstatement. This is back

1159
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: in July. Justice Department got an emergency stay for the

1160
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: appeals court that temporarily blocked that. But then in the

1161
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: Appeals Court yesterday it was two to one, so it

1162
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: wasn't unanimous. Two to one. They denied Trump the right

1163
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: to request a speed up of the appeals process. But

1164
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: he lost so so far this week, Captain, tell me

1165
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. He's lost on the migrants. This is the

1166
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: Guatemala case. He's been held up on that. He's been

1167
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: held up on firings the National Guards illegal and of

1168
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: course most importantly of all, the tariffs. And I was

1169
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: reading a very interesting article. If he loses at the

1170
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: Supreme Court on tariffs, the check they're going to have

1171
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: to write every business person in America is going to bankrupted.

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Speaker 1: Tay the make Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News

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Speaker 2: Blidows seven away from it. The beer is still to

1175
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Speaker 2: be poured for another day. Brewers Garage Project have stepped

1176
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Speaker 2: into say Fortune Favors from closure, Fortune Favors or a

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Speaker 2: forty five percent drop in revenue, costs were up, and

1178
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Speaker 2: awards don't pay the bill, so it was over until

1179
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Speaker 2: it wasn't. Pet Llsbie is the founder of Garage Project

1180
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Speaker 2: and as well, there's Pete morning.

1181
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Speaker 18: What I know, how are you making very well?

1182
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: Indeed, the state of craft beer generally as you see

1183
00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: it is.

1184
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 18: Oh, it's been tough. I mean, it's just shows. I mean,

1185
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 18: Fortune Favors did an incredible job setting up like a

1186
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 18: really cool little venue in the heart of Wellington. You

1187
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 18: couldn't find a better place to have a beer on

1188
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 18: one of the five nice days we haven't Wellington. And

1189
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 18: yet still you know, it's still this has happened. I

1190
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 18: think it's just tough. Tough for them, tough for all

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00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 18: venues in Wellington.

1192
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 2: Well, what have you got that they haven't?

1193
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 6: Then?

1194
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: How come you want to step in?

1195
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 6: Oh?

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 18: Look, honestly, Mike, it is like I said, they did

1197
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 18: such an incredible job of that space. It would just

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00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 18: be a crime to see everything ripped out of there.

1199
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 18: I don't know what have we got, Probably more optimism

1200
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 18: than maybe we should, but I just feel like, I

1201
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 18: don't know, it's worth doubling down.

1202
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: All this is an altruistic thing. On your This is

1203
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: an emotional decision on your part, opposed to the cold

1204
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: hard numbers.

1205
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 5: Ah.

1206
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 18: I mean, look, we wouldn't do it if we didn't

1207
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 18: think we could pull it off. I mean there's definitely

1208
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 18: an emotional element. I mean, I love Wellington, Mic. I

1209
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 18: think it's really cool. I mean, I know it's a

1210
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 18: bit shit in places, but really I really want to

1211
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 18: double down on it. I mean, we're doing this. We're

1212
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 18: partnering with Bill Bailey down at the Pavilion as well.

1213
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 18: I mean, I don't know, maybe it's a moment we

1214
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 18: could turn things around.

1215
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: Well, let us hope. So that's why I'm arguing. I'm

1216
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: wondering if you've got the bank balance to hold it

1217
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: until the un till the rising tide lifts everybody.

1218
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 18: Yes, well, I mean obviously this is one of the things,

1219
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 18: isn't it. I Mean we have a little tap room

1220
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 18: up at Arto. I mean it's tiny, it's like a

1221
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 18: it's like a sort of storage cupboard where you can

1222
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 18: go and have a beer. So we've got obviously a

1223
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 18: brewery behind us. We sell into supermarkets as well. Hopefully

1224
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 18: we've got enough stretch to build a buffer and make

1225
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 18: this work and like I said, I mean it is

1226
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 18: on those on those few sunny days in Wellington. I

1227
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 18: cannot think of a place I'd rather sit and have

1228
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 18: a beer than on that deck there. So yeah, it'd

1229
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 18: be nice to make that.

1230
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: Give me thirty seconds on zero or low alcohol beer.

1231
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: Is it going off or not?

1232
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1233
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 18: Absolutely, I mean it's now our number one selling six pack.

1234
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 18: Tiny is huge. I'd love to say Mike that we

1235
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 18: saw it coming and we're very clever, But to be

1236
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 18: absolutely honest, I mean we just had a stab at

1237
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 18: making Tiny. It seemed I'd tried a lot of the

1238
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 18: other non alcohol beers that were available at the time,

1239
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 18: and I mean, honestly, some of them were rubbish. I

1240
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 18: really felt like we could crack something with a little

1241
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 18: bit more flavor. So we made Tiny and we just

1242
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 18: happened to be there at the right moment and caught

1243
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 18: that wave. It's interesting where it's come from. Is it

1244
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 18: just that we all sat at home during COVID and

1245
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 18: maybe over indulged and this is us swinging back the

1246
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 18: other way?

1247
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1248
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: All right, mate, We'll go well with the bar and

1249
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: good luck with the Tiny, And I love talking about

1250
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: I found myself talking a lot about beer this week,

1251
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: and I find myself enjoying that experience. Peat Gillespie out

1252
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Speaker 2: of garage, project News from just a couple of moments,

1253
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Speaker 2: then a New Zealander You love.

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Speaker 1: The news and the newsmakers, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

1255
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Speaker 1: Bailey's Real Estate covering all your real estate needs News

1256
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Speaker 1: togs Head, Ben.

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Speaker 2: Passed right, Let's meet a cube at the cutting edge

1258
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: of the robotics and self driving car game. Dave Ferguson.

1259
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: He left Google, where he was working for Waimo to

1260
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: set up his own company, Neuro. Their capital rays involved

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00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: in Lydia, No Less and Uber as well as New

1262
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: Zealand's ice House ventures. Now Neuro's value these days at

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00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: over ten billion New Zealand dollars a day. Ferguson's with

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00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: us out of San Francisco. Good morning, Thanks Mike, Good

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: to be here. At what stage is Neuro at in

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00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: terms of delivery, the capital, raise, the money out there,

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: access to it, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: Well, we've raised just over two billion dollars, so in

1269
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 6: terms of capital Rays, I think we've done pretty well. Overall.

1270
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 6: We're nine years into our journey and we very recently

1271
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 6: signed a pretty big commercial deal with Uber where we're

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Speaker 6: going to be building a robotaxi. That Robotaxi will launch

1273
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 6: at the end of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: As far as the capitalizer is concerned, the names like

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Speaker 2: Uber and Nvidia, how much of that name association is

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: important to what you do.

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Speaker 6: Well? I think for us, it's more the strategic partnership

1278
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 6: that is part of the investment that they're making that

1279
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 6: is important. So it's not so much the name, but

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Speaker 6: rather what we're doing together.

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Speaker 2: When you were working with Google and Waimo, I mean,

1282
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: was it always your intention to go out and do

1283
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: your own thing or No?

1284
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 6: No, absolutely not. Actually I loved working at Google, and

1285
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 6: my co founder and I worked together there. We met

1286
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 6: at Google and we worked together for about five years

1287
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 6: before deciding to branch out on our own and starting neuro.

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 6: I think I was probably a reluctant entrepreneur. It wasn't

1289
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 6: something that I'd ever planned, but we were very excited

1290
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 6: about the potential role we could have really working on

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Speaker 6: robotics generally, not so much self driving in particular, but

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Speaker 6: this has become the first application that we're working on.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of self driving as a concept.

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Speaker 2: I read obsurvey the other day that I can't even

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Speaker 2: remember who did it, But as far as Tesla specifically

1296
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: was concerned, only fourteen percent of people thought that the

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Speaker 2: ability to be driven would attract you to a brand.

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Speaker 2: Is that something you need to battle or change?

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Speaker 6: I think personally, I think it's a terrible idea. That's

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Speaker 6: why I've devoted much of my career towards it. Look

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Speaker 6: I think that the safety benefits that we're going to get,

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Speaker 6: the improvement and access, the sustainability, the economic benefits, the

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Speaker 6: time back, it's going to be an incredible product, and

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Speaker 6: I think in a pretty incredible part of society long term.

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Speaker 6: I do think that there is a journey that we

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Speaker 6: need to go on together with the public around acceptance.

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Speaker 6: But I can say that almost everyone that I've ever

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Speaker 6: known who has been in a way Moat, which is

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Speaker 6: the only fully self driving vehicle, you know, Tesla is

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Speaker 6: just a driver assistant system right now. Everyone that's been

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Speaker 6: in a Weimo in San Francisco absolutely loves it. And

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Speaker 6: if they were skeptics beforehand, they're converts almost immediately after the.

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Speaker 2: Journey of Weimo. Just in terms of robotaxis, where they

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Speaker 2: do it in what cities and jurisdictions in America? The

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Speaker 2: trials the rules of regulations. Has that been slower than

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Speaker 2: you would have liked?

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Speaker 6: I think from a regulatory perspective, it's been about as expected.

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Speaker 6: The challenge with the states is that the federal government

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Speaker 6: regulates vehicles and each state regulates drivers. So when you

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Speaker 6: have a self driving vehicle, you have both the vehicle

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Speaker 6: and the driver in one and so you have to

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Speaker 6: deal with regulations on both the federal and state level,

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Speaker 6: and so that becomes a little bit more complicated. But

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Speaker 6: there are a number of states, including California, where you

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Speaker 6: can do full driverless operation, and those are obviously the

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Speaker 6: first states that companies are expanding it.

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Speaker 2: What's the issue the biggest issue you face is it

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Speaker 2: the tech or is it government?

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Speaker 6: I think for now it's still the tech. I think

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Speaker 6: Waymover has proven that it's possible to build incredibly safe technology,

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Speaker 6: and I think we have two through the driverless deployments

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Speaker 6: that we've made as a company. But there's still a

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Speaker 6: pretty significant challenge in scaling that tech, particularly in a

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Speaker 6: very economically feasible way, basically doing it fast enough and

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Speaker 6: cheap enough.

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Speaker 2: It strikes me that if you're in certain areas of life.

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Speaker 2: Chips is one, your area is another. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of money out there to be grabbed if you want it.

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Speaker 2: Is that fair or not.

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Speaker 6: I think the autonomous vehicle industry has had a tough

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Speaker 6: couple of years, to be honest, Mike. We've seen almost

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Speaker 6: every company shut down that was working in their space

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Speaker 6: about three years ago, including some of the biggest companies

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Speaker 6: in the world, like Uber had their own effort that

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Speaker 6: shut down. Apple had their own internal effort that shut down.

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Speaker 6: I think we've gone through a period where it was

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Speaker 6: much much, sort of a trough of disillusionment around av

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Speaker 6: in general. I think now we're coming out of that,

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Speaker 6: and Weimo is a big part of that because they've

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Speaker 6: shown that the tech is there and so now it

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Speaker 6: is just a scale and economics question, and so I

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Speaker 6: think the capital is coming back to the space, particularly

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Speaker 6: for the players that look like they're going to be

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Speaker 6: strong enough to actually.

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Speaker 2: Deliver on this How did you Survive?

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Speaker 6: We were fortunate to raise quite a lot of money

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Speaker 6: through twenty twenty one. Our last fundraise before this current one,

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Speaker 6: which is our series, was at the end of twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty one at that point, we had I think roughly

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Speaker 6: a billion dollars on the balance sheet, and so we

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Speaker 6: had a pretty good coffer wather to weather the storm,

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Speaker 6: and we cut our expenses, we reduced our team unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: and we really focused on just delivering on the autonomy

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Speaker 6: on the tech side, and fortunately we had enough runway

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Speaker 6: to really make it through the lean periods. And now

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Speaker 6: with many of the other competitors gone, I think we're

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Speaker 6: in a really good position with the maturity of the

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Speaker 6: tech to actually forge partnerships like the Uber one and

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Speaker 6: to make this a reality.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, hold on there, mate, We'll come back

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Speaker 2: and talk about next steps in a moment. Dave Ferguson

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Speaker 2: out of neuro New Zealand are flying the flag internationally.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio Howard

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Speaker 1: by News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zipp Us talks sixteen past eight. Dave Ferguson out of

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Speaker 2: Neuro is with us. Now right, let's move it forward.

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Speaker 2: So I go in the future to buy a cow

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Speaker 2: with your robotics in do I say versus somebody else's? Right?

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Speaker 2: So would that be from my point of view, the

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Speaker 2: punter's point of view a commercial choice, sales choice or whatever,

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Speaker 2: or is it going to be different from that?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I believe so. I think we're going to have

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Speaker 6: fleets of vehicles much like the Robotaxi that we're building

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Speaker 6: now with Uber, that will be owned by mobility companies.

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Speaker 6: So Uber will have a bunch of their own av

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Speaker 6: fleets that they operate, but you'll also have the opportunity

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Speaker 6: as a consumer to buy a personally owned vehicle that

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Speaker 6: will have autonomy on it. And for Neuro, we are

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Speaker 6: working very hard to play in both spaces, so we're

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Speaker 6: forming partnerships on the mobility side. We're also forming partnerships

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Speaker 6: with the car manufacturers so that we can be part

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Speaker 6: of a future vehicle that you or someone else might

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Speaker 6: choose to buy for your own use.

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Speaker 2: But would I see, I've got a million questions about

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Speaker 2: the car makers, But would I buy Neuro? Would I go,

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Speaker 2: I'm buying that because it's got neural on board as

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Speaker 2: opposed to somebody else's products like a good set of

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Speaker 2: abs breaks or some Elkintara interior or a good color

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Speaker 2: scheme or something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so, I think it's going to be

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Speaker 6: a differentiator. Now, it may not be the case that

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Speaker 6: you would pick the same car and you have a

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Speaker 6: trim that is a NEUROAV system versus some other AV provider.

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Speaker 6: There may only be one per vehicle, but I think

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Speaker 6: it will make a differences whether you choose to buy

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01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 6: a Corolla that has Neuro or you choose to buy

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01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 6: a Forward that has some other AV.

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Speaker 2: What about the car makers, do you perceive a problem

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01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: of one them getting in the market and purchasing them

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01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: stuff as opposed to say, doing it themselves, or and

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Speaker 2: or what they're prepared to pay for it versus what

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Speaker 2: you're prepared to sell it for.

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Speaker 6: It's an incredibly tough technical challenge, Mike, and I think

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Speaker 6: we've seen through the last few years how difficult it

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Speaker 6: is for OEMs to build it themselves. Now there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of variety in the OEM, the automotive automaker's field,

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Speaker 6: where some of them are very technically savvy and some

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Speaker 6: of them are much less so, and so I think

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Speaker 6: we will see some of them continue to try to

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Speaker 6: go it alone. That's a very small subset. These days,

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Speaker 6: most of them are going to partner with AV providers

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Speaker 6: like Neuro so that they can have the absolute bed

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Speaker 6: class technology to provide to their.

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Speaker 2: Customers, and how will it roll out for me as

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Speaker 2: a punter? Do I buy or will it be in

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Speaker 2: my car as an early version? So, in other words,

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Speaker 2: once you crack it, once you get the regulatory tick off,

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Speaker 2: and it's in the car, what's the advance from that

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Speaker 2: first day to three years, seven years, tenures down the

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Speaker 2: track where it does something that maybe we can't even imagine.

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Speaker 6: So that's a great question. I think the way that

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Speaker 6: we will see it roll out into personally owned vehicles

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Speaker 6: is that it will actually be a product that improves

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Speaker 6: over time. So the simplest way to think about it is,

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Speaker 6: your vehicle will have the hardware, it'll have the eyes

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Speaker 6: and ears, the cameras and light eyes and radars that

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Speaker 6: will enable it to drive itself, but on day one

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Speaker 6: it may only do that in certain areas, so maybe

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Speaker 6: it'll only drive itself on highway, so you can have

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Speaker 6: breakfast or run a radio show from the front seat

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 6: of your car on the way to work while it's

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Speaker 6: on the highway. And then over time the software will

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Speaker 6: improve with the same hardware, so you won't have to

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Speaker 6: upgrade your car, and it will expand the areas over

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Speaker 6: which it can do fully driverless or fully autonomous behavior.

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Speaker 6: So it will be what you hint to that, which

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Speaker 6: is a product that should continue to get better and

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Speaker 6: better over the years.

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Speaker 2: Is it subscription should potentially over rear downloads all that

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Speaker 2: sort of stuff.

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Speaker 14: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So you get the base in the car, and then

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Speaker 2: you want the upgrade, like you want the heated seats,

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Speaker 2: you pay seven dollars a month and you're in.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that particularly for the higher levels of autonomy.

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Speaker 6: So we in the industry we sort of differentiate between

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Speaker 6: a system that is sort of helping you personally drive

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Speaker 6: versus a system that is taking full control over the car.

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Speaker 6: I think as we get to those higher levels where

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Speaker 6: you can have a nap or you can not even

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Speaker 6: be in the car those levels, I'm pretty confident they're

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Speaker 6: going to be subscription based because they just provide so

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Speaker 6: much value and that will be the easiest way to

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Speaker 6: recoup the investment and frankly to reduce the upfront costs

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Speaker 6: of the vehicle to the end consumer as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you have an age issue of you corunched any

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Speaker 2: of that data? Older people going I love my car,

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Speaker 2: this is mental, I'm never doing this versus the eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old ago is bring it on, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Will that be a hurdle or not? Do you think not?

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Speaker 6: Really?

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 6: I think what we've seen through a lot of the

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Speaker 6: surveys is, again, once people experience it, they're pretty excited

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Speaker 6: about it, Mike. And you can imagine the elderly at

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Speaker 6: some point they're no longer super comfortable or confident in driving,

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Speaker 6: either it's too much of a hassle, or as the

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Speaker 6: age they become less excited about taking that on themselves.

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Speaker 6: And so you do have a lot of variety within

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Speaker 6: the different age groups. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: if you can have a product that is safer, so

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Speaker 6: basically better than you at driving in terms of safety,

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Speaker 6: and it can be incredibly low cost, then the result

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Speaker 6: is just a product that makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 6: to every age group. Frankly.

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Speaker 2: And then when you've done it, Dave, then what for you?

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Speaker 2: What's next when we've.

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Speaker 6: Solved such Oh I don't know, that's still a we

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Speaker 6: was Mike.

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Speaker 1: You know, the startup.

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Speaker 6: Experience has been an absolute right of a lifetime. It's

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Speaker 6: been incredibly difficult, by far, the hardest thing I've ever done,

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Speaker 6: but it's also been an incredibly fulfilling journey. So my

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 6: wife says, I'm going to start another company. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if I've got that in me. But there's still

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Speaker 6: a long way to go with getting this to scale worldwide.

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Speaker 6: You know, we lose one point two million people every

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Speaker 6: year in road accidents. Like there's a long way for

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Speaker 6: us to go to realize these benefits and actually put

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Speaker 6: a massive dent in that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dave, go well, appreciate it. We'll stay in touch.

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Speaker 2: Dave ferguson KIWI in San Francisco. As company is neuro

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Speaker 2: they've recently obtained a permit to test in New York City. Mike,

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Speaker 2: who incurs the liability cost could be a big part

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Speaker 2: of the subscription cost could be Those are questions that

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Speaker 2: aren't answered yet because people aren't thinking about this the

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Speaker 2: way they should be. Good interview with mister Ferguson Mike.

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Speaker 2: Good questions about insurance. What about insurance? Well, once again,

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Speaker 2: these are things that we haven't come across as yet.

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean eventually people will be going out on a

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Speaker 2: Friday having quite a few wines and then able to

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Speaker 2: jump in a car which will drive them home. And

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 2: there's no legal implications of that. Once again, very good question.

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01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: They won't have an answer on that yet. Can it

1542
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: navigate ninety thousand cones a day? Once again excellent question.

1543
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Speaker 2: They probably haven't tested an autland, but they might need to.

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Speaker 2: Might call me a luddite by actually enjoy driving my car.

1545
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 2: I don't want a Solve driver. Yep, And that's fine.

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Speaker 2: You can't. That's why some people buy blue things and

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Speaker 2: other people by red things. It's called choice. The Big

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Speaker 2: Father's Day winner after the news the only.

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Speaker 1: the real House of fragrances and news talks it be.

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Speaker 2: My mail bag contained a little something from Catherine, who

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: wrote my Dad Mark the best because he would come

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Speaker 2: and get me anywhere any time. When I was a teenager,

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Speaker 2: he set up an eight hundred number so that we

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Speaker 2: could call them for free if we were stuck or worried.

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Speaker 2: When I borrowed his car, one time it was munted

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Speaker 2: when a bus hit it. You sell trouble, Katherine, Sorry

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Speaker 2: where was I? Another time it got stolen and used

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Speaker 2: in a ram rate that old line, But a quick

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Speaker 2: call to dad and he rode to the rescue. Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: my luck with cars has improved, but I've always hit

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Speaker 2: the jackpot with the dad like mine, so supportive and kind,

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Speaker 2: always helping other people, and an awesome puppa to my kids. Well,

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Speaker 2: very nice of you to write him, Katherine, and your

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Speaker 2: dad Mark is going to be receiving a thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: from Chemi's Warehouse, the House of Fragrances, and he'll also

1569
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Speaker 2: get a voucher for two hundred dollars. So I'd go

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Speaker 2: pik A Raban, just saying I'd go to the Pika Raban.

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Speaker 2: Why not? Anyway, you can choose your own fragrance for

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Speaker 2: Father's Day and we have one more chance? Do we

1573
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Speaker 2: have one more chance? Can you enter today? For tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: away from.

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Speaker 1: Nine International correspondence with Insieye Insurance Peace of mind for

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Speaker 1: New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: But we go Robert, good morning to you, Good morning

1582
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: to you, Angela Raina, three pads. It's got to the

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: point surely, and the calls are out obviously, It's got

1584
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: to the point surely where Star is going to have

1585
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 2: to show some leadership here, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you would think so. I mean he is damned

1587
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 4: either way. She is the standard bearer for the left

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01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 4: and a working class voice which are in short supply

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01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 4: the cabinet, as you can imagine. But you know she

1590
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 4: is trying to get away with saying that a tax

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 4: that she was advised by her tax adviser that she

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 4: didn't need to pay the full amount of stamp duty

1593
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 4: on this house, which we knew she deliberately avoided pain

1594
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 4: And you know she's the Housing Minister. You can't get

1595
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 4: away with that. Pocketed forty grands, or at least avoided

1596
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 4: paying forty grand treated the taxpayer. She is in real,

1597
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 4: real trouble. The whole thing is now with the Independent

1598
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Speaker 4: Examine on Parliamentary Standards Cabinet standards in fact lorri Ming Magnus,

1599
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Speaker 4: and he will deliver his verdict sometime next week. In

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 4: the meantime, Stana has to decide whether he does what

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01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: he's done in fairness all the way through his tenure

1602
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 4: as leader of the party, which is as soon as

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01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 4: anyone steps out of line or does something bad. Second,

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 4: he has been very very resolute on that. But can

1605
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 4: he do it now? It's not looking good for him,

1606
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Speaker 4: It really isn't.

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Speaker 2: She went out and tried to explain divorce the advice

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: you mentioned sun with special needs different anyone buying that

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 4: Well, Look, there is no doubt that she has very

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01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 4: difficult ter home circumstances in many ways because her son

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01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 4: was born prematurely, very prematurely, and also blind and has

1613
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 4: educational special needs. And you know, she is effectively a

1614
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 4: single mum. No one doubts the fact that she has

1615
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 4: overcome great hardship to get where she's got. But you

1616
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 4: know she wasn't terribly clear about what house she owned

1617
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago when she was under the

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 4: microscope for renting out the wrong house, not being clear

1619
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 4: about what house was her main home. And she's done

1620
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 4: it again now to the tune of forty grand. The

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: patience is wearing very very thin.

1622
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 2: Who's in more trouble her for the specific crimes or

1623
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: Reeves for announcing the budget date while the bond market

1624
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 2: tanks and she must be quaking in her shoes to

1625
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: come up with something that will convince the world that

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Speaker 2: she knows what she's doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there is nothing that she can do because

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 4: almost everything that is required to be done to the

1629
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 4: economy to make it grow again is the precise opposite

1630
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 4: of what they put wants to do in the budget.

1631
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 4: She is absolutely handstrung. Ironically, she's going to stick around.

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Speaker 4: You know, there have been chances for Starma to get

1633
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 4: rid of Reeves before and he hasn't. I mean, that

1634
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 4: first disastrous budget a year ago should have been punished somehow,

1635
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: because it really was that that National Insurance whacked on

1636
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 4: small medium business enterprises really really wrecked the economy. But

1637
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 4: if anything's going to happen she's going to wreck it

1638
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Speaker 4: still further made.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem, Graham Lynan, and this a risk? Is

1640
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: it about it being trends? Is it about the fact

1641
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 2: it's on social media? Elon's and jkas And how does

1642
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: this unfold and where does it go?

1643
01:18:54,040 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 4: It's really not good. It's a constant, constant and cry

1644
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 4: from America, particularly from JD. Vanzaninil Musk, that we have

1645
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 4: lost freedom of speech. Basically, Graham Anon said that a

1646
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 4: trans woman who goes into a woman only space is

1647
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 4: committing a violent and abusive act and you should call

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Speaker 4: the police or punch him in the balls as she

1649
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 4: put it. As he put it, Why that would provoke

1650
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 4: five armed police officers to arrest him at hethrow airport

1651
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 4: tells you where we are with Britain today and freedom

1652
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 4: of speech. It is remarkable. And even those who would

1653
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 4: normally travel at some of gram Lenehan says. And Lenahan,

1654
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 4: of course a brilliant, brilliant writer. He wrote Father Ted

1655
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 4: and contributed to Brassa in the it crowd, has had

1656
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 4: his life ruined by the trans lobbyists. But even those

1657
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 4: who don't like him very much, and I would assume

1658
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 4: Kirstarma wet street to fall into that of Korea, saying

1659
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,480
Speaker 4: the police have got better things to do than this, surely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right mate, we'll see you next week. Rod

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Speaker 2: Little out of Britain, by the way, Scotland who's scrapped

1662
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Speaker 2: peak train prices, which dovetails into the story I told

1663
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: you last time I took to Rod, which was Wales

1664
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: giving young people free buses. The whole idea is that

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01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: peak times don't work anyway, because everyone works from home

1666
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 2: in that part of the world, so the whole thing's

1667
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 2: a complete waste of time. But what I do not

1668
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: in an increasingly sticky big country is they've decided they're

1669
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 2: going to try and ban under sixteens from buying Red

1670
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: Bull and other drinks like it Monster and all that

1671
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. These a voluntary thing at supermarkets that

1672
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: they sort of enforce it, but then they don't, and

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01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 2: a third of people under sixteen drink this crap anyway.

1674
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 2: So I don't know that making a rule or a

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01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 2: law is going to do anything, But there you go.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen two The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: At be thirteen Away from Now Mike in New Zealand Flight.

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Speaker 2: I watched a doco called Keewis Born to Fly Too.

1680
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Speaker 2: It's an amazing quite inspirational you definite need to watch it.

1681
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 2: I have and I mentioned it on the program about

1682
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 2: a month ago, and it's very good. It's mainly the

1683
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: Keevy's Born to Fly one and two and both are

1684
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 2: good and it's got to do with New Zealand motorsport,

1685
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: different businesses you've never heard of, behind the scenes, people

1686
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: who make gearing and so it is. It's a fascinating

1687
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 2: documentary well worth looking up. Mike. My daughter works in

1688
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 2: the tap room at the Garage Project back to the

1689
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 2: beer earlier on Garage Project taking over the founders. She

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: absolutely loves it, so obviously there's an amazing vibe there

1691
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: created by bloody good management. So the point I was

1692
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Speaker 2: trying to make at the very start of the program

1693
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 2: today he was too nice when he was on the

1694
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 2: program from Garage to say, you know, maybe just the

1695
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 2: business model did and work, whatever the case may be.

1696
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 2: But you can't hide from the fact that even in

1697
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: the most difficult of economic times, there are people who

1698
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: excel in areas where others don't. And you've got to

1699
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: ask yourself. That's how you learn. You ask yourself, why

1700
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: is it they're doing well when there are others seemingly

1701
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: doing the same thing that aren't. Mike, I survived dry

1702
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: July on tiny, tiny, zero point five percent alcohol, So

1703
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm afraid to tell you that that wasn't dry. And

1704
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: I don't care whether it was July or not. You

1705
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: can't say it was dry July when you're drinking zero

1706
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 2: point five percent alcohol. A stickliff effact. I did read

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 2: funnily enough. Erdinger the brewery set up in the eighteen

1708
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 2: eighties and Germany, this whole alcohol free thing's gone off.

1709
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 2: It's going off, particularly in Germany. And if it's going

1710
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: off in Germany, it's going off everywhere. Sales are up

1711
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and nine percent, or demand is up one

1712
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: hundred and nine percent since twenty thirteen. A quarter of

1713
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: their production these days, Irdinger our biggest brewery in Germany.

1714
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 2: The quarter of their production is now these days non alcoholic. Now,

1715
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: can I just ask you this question? So the police

1716
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: don't stand sell them. So Stuart Copeland's coming to the

1717
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 2: country on a spoken tour, a spoken word tour, and

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01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: I just and I'm looking at a photo of Stuart.

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01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 2: So there's two things. If you haven't followed the police lately,

1720
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: he and his other mate Andy are a suing sting

1721
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: over the music. Bands are a pain, aren't they? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, really the artistic side, if not the business side,

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01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: is going to get you. Eventually they claim their own

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01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: money from the music. Sting goes it was all me.

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01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: Now Stuart doing a spoken word to her because he

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Speaker 2: needs the money or because he wants to do a

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Speaker 2: spoken word to her. Second question is is this my future?

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Speaker 2: So when I finally get booted out of this place,

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Speaker 2: which honestly can't be long, now am I going to

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Speaker 2: do a spoken word to her? And does it sound

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Speaker 2: less weird if I do a spoken word to her?

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Speaker 2: Because this is all I do for a living is

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Speaker 2: sit here speaking. I mean, I'm literally doing a spoken

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Speaker 2: word to her right now. Actually, if I'm not leaving anything,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going around the country. But Stuart is not

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Speaker 2: known for a spoken word tour. He was singing songs.

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Speaker 8: Surely the equivalent would be if you went around doing

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Speaker 8: a drumming tour.

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Speaker 2: Good question, good point. So if I suddenly say, Hosking's

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01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: coming to town to you know, show you what he

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01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 2: can do with a snare drum. Are you buying tickets?

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01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: So Stuart Copeland's coming for a spoken word tour in

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01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 2: the early part of next year, in January. He's going

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Speaker 2: to various parts of this country which will be exciting.

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Speaker 8: Well, also, you've never really been part of a band.

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Speaker 8: Well that's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: But look at what happens. That's why I haven't been

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01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 2: part of the band. Look what happens. That's my warning.

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Speaker 2: So that was a warning about joining a band and

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01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 2: then falling out with people, but also an advertisement Ford

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Speaker 2: Stuart Copeland, who's coming to the country.

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Speaker 8: So and you're forthcoming exactly to a slash album, Slash

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Speaker 8: something for.

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Speaker 2: Something for everyone. Nine away from nine the.

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Speaker 1: Make Hosking Breakfast with rainthrow bern Us, Tom's Dead.

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Speaker 2: B once again. I think I said this this time yesterday.

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Speaker 2: key we save a problem was to make it compulsory.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't personally want it compulsory. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a stupid idea, But if you want to solve

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Speaker 2: the problem, compulsion is the only answer. I'm reading just

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Speaker 2: yesterday some people at the University of Auckland Pensions and

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Speaker 2: Intergenerational Equity Hub are calling for compulsion. So we might

1790
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Speaker 2: be onto a thing. Five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now with chemist well House, great savings every.

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Speaker 2: Day, pick off tomorrow. NFL cannot wait. It's Eagles Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: The YouTube billionaire Jimmy Donaldson, who we all know is

1794
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Speaker 2: mister Beast. He and Roger Goodell or Goodell who's the commissioner,

1795
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 2: put out a video. It's called I Bought the NFL.

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Speaker 15: Here it is today, Markston historic First, the NFL is

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01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 15: now under the ownership of one individual, Jimmy Donaldson, mister Beast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 19: Everybody that is right. I officially own the NFL, and

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Speaker 19: I think it's time for some changes. So for my

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01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 19: very first change, you're going to be changing the rosters

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 19: from fifty three players to fifty four and giving that new.

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01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Roster spot to a YouTuber. No, Jimmy, we can't woo

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01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: all right.

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01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 19: Well, for the first time ever, Chargers Versus Chiefs.

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01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Will be live for free on YouTube.

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01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 12: Make sure you watch it.

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01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,839
Speaker 2: It's literally free. Why not September fifth, So it's interesting

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01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: Charges Chiefs and that's the game in Brazil, by the way,

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01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 2: it'll be the first exclusive NFL game to be streamed

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01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: for nothing. NFL Sunday Ticket, by the way, is on

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01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 2: YouTube TV. You pay six hundred and forty three dollars

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01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 2: for that for the season. You get most of the games.

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01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: I've told you before, and I've complained before it's a

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01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 2: convoluted business these days, and including the NFL. And we

1816
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 2: can get it in TVNZ plus run some and ESPNS

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01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: run some, and you can get some on a Thursday.

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 2: Then you can get some on a Monday, and then

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01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: some on a Tuesday. And and it's on Disney as well.

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01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: And if you go on Disney, you go, well, hold on,

1821
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: where do they get it from? Whoops? They own ESPN.

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01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: Then you say, well, I've got Disney and I'm paying

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01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 2: for Disney. Why am I paying for ESPN? And then

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01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: you've got to get up at two thirty in the

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01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 2: morning to keep working to pay for all this crap.

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01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 2: That's how that works anyway. It's all kicking off tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: NFL season cannot wait, super super exciting Hard Knocks by

1828
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: the way, on HBO is coming up spoke if you

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01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 2: haven't watched that, that's a good series. They mbent themselves

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01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: in a team and this year's teams the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and I've totoughly enjoyed that. I've thoroughly enjoyed the morning

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Speaker 2: as it happens otherways tomorrow from six as always, Happy Days.

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