1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Devin Gray, UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gevin. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 2: Right. 3 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: So Kimmy bed Knock is now coming in for the BBC. 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 2: Is she Yes, she is? And there's a growing clamor 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: that today there could be some pretty tricky questions being 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: put in the Commons, the House of Commons today and 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: particularly aimed at the Culture Secretary. Because what happened is 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: in a program, a documentary just one week before the 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: US election last year, two parts of a speech that 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: were delivered by Donald Trump appeared to be stitched together, 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: edited together to make it appear as if the President 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: was encouraging supporters to riot. Those are the allegations. So 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: the quote that was played was this, We're going to 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you, 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: and we fight. We fight like hell. And if you 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: don't like fight like hell, then you're not going to 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: have a country anymore. However, Donald Trump had actually told 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: his supporters to walk to the capital to quote peacefully 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: and patriotically make their voices heard. So that sentence peacefully 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: and patriotically make the voices heard is what is said 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: to have been edited out. And a former BBC journalist 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: and now turned whistlebler Michael Prescott has written this lengthy 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: report basically claiming that the public broadcaster has a huge 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: bias against Donald Trump and others and says he was 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: rather struck by the fact this program had an anti 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: Trump stance and there was not a program made about 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris in a similar vein and saying that in 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: itself was unfair. So he's issued a nineteen page dossier 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: and the former journalist is also accusing, incidentally, the BBC 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: of pushing hamas lies. That's his quote over the coverage 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: of the war in Gaza. So some of these issues 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: may be brought up in Parliament today and Keemi Budden 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: at the head of the Opposition demanding heads role at 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: the BBC over this. 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: Do you think it has got to the stage where 36 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: the public want to see his role or is this 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: still just a political thing, a bit of about way thing. 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: Now I don't think. I mean, BBC's made a big 39 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: play in a recent campaign saying you can trust us, 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: we are you know, we're fighting for the truth and 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: we're fighting to bring you the truth every day, every 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: hour of every day, sort of thing that the promotion 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: goes and you can't have that in one hand and 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: then be accused of something else without the thing being 45 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: threshed out and heard. And I think it's extremely interesting 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: that while some are saying headspin's role here at the moment, 47 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: the Culture Secretary is saying, well, I think we need 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: to hear what the BBC has to say about this, 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: and is much more cautious of this. But there's no 50 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: doubt that you know that the traditional media here losing 51 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: a lot of viewers and listeners and readers to social 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: media outlets, and there is a huge concern over the 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: future of news. This would be a very very big 54 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: punch to the stomach and it will hurt a lot 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: of traditional broadcast as if the BBC has found to 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: be playing fast and loose in this. 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Edit, Hey, how much did ellen Bits get? 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: Well, it looks like multi million New Zealand dollars. So 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: Alan Bates is the Post Office campaigner and the payout 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: for Alan comes more than twenty years after he started 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: a campaign for justice for victims of the Horizon scandal. 62 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: That scandal. The Horizon is the name of the computer 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: program that was put into Post offices but simply wasn't 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: working properly and it led to some postmasters being accused 65 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: of stealing money which they hadn't and some of them 66 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 2: were sentenced to prison, and some of them even took 67 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: their own life. Sir Alan led this campaign at vast 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: expense to his own standing, his own health, and although 69 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: we're not going to get an exact figure made public 70 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: unless he does, I guess this is a very very 71 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: large sum of money. Between turned nineteen ninety nine and 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, more than nine hundred subpostmasters were wrongfully prosecuted 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: After this faulty horizon it system indicated shortfalls in branch accounts, 74 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: hundreds more poured their own money into their branch to 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: make up the apparent shortfalls. 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Gavin, good to talk to you. We'll talk to you 77 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: in a couple of guys days again. That's Kevin Gray 78 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: are UK corresponding. 79 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 80 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 81 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.