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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B Test.

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Speaker 2: Match Saturday one twenty five coming to your live from

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Speaker 2: Shared twenty two on Wellington's waterfront. It is amazing who

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Speaker 2: you bump into on Test Match Saturday in downtown Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Ninety tests for the All Blacks between twenty twelve and

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. World Cup win of twenty fifteen twenty

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Speaker 2: three tries the most buy a front runner in All

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Speaker 2: Blacks history. Only Ardie Savier, Kieren Reid and Richie McCay

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Speaker 2: have more as an All Black forward. Hurricane's third most

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Speaker 2: cap player, captain the Canes to their first and so.

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Speaker 3: Far only Super Rugby title twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Same year nominee for the New Zealand and World Rugby

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year Awards for a long time, the

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Speaker 2: best hooker in the world, Dame corles Val.

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Speaker 4: You mate, cheers. Why are you making me blessed after

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Speaker 4: that today?

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Speaker 2: Not good to be here, mate, It's good to see

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Speaker 2: if I had to drag you away from the throng

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Speaker 2: of fans who still want to get photos with you, mate, Tim,

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Speaker 2: Miss Jim.

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Speaker 4: Miss rug Beyond the day of a test today.

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Speaker 5: I actually do like coming home to Williington and I

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Speaker 5: live up in Carpety, so the building and just walking

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Speaker 5: around and see all the fans.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's been It's a different buzz.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, at least I get to go to the

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Speaker 5: game and kind of watch it from the seats, and

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Speaker 5: I don't miss the contact, pinty. But yeah, I suppose

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Speaker 5: that big build up with your kids and your family

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Speaker 5: is always special.

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Speaker 4: But no regrets made.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to be on the other side now and

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Speaker 5: just sit and have a beer and watch the game.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: But they always I think every every player in any

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Speaker 2: sport I've spoken to about retiring and they say, what

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Speaker 2: what do you miss and what don't you miss? No

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Speaker 2: one misses the training, right, no one misses that stuff,

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you don't. But what about the And

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Speaker 2: a lot of people say it's the friendships they miss

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Speaker 2: the most.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you do.

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Speaker 5: Like that's that's always an important part of your your

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Speaker 5: team sport, as your as your mates. But I think

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Speaker 5: you just got to try and stay connected. I always

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Speaker 5: try to text the boys when around town. I caught

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Speaker 5: up a few of the All Black Boys last night.

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Speaker 5: You know, Sonny and that still give me a bit

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Speaker 5: of band down that So it was cool in that

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Speaker 5: space you kind of remember, you know that what you

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Speaker 5: like life carries on, you know.

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Speaker 4: That's just it was a big part of my life.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm very grateful for what I've done, but

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Speaker 5: I'm still I'm enjoying the kind of the bed on

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Speaker 5: and living a simpler life as well.

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Speaker 2: Good to hear, Good to hear. I mean, you were

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Speaker 2: always a good play growing up. What tuned you into

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Speaker 2: a turning point for you?

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Speaker 5: I remember, well, the big thing with obviously Horry was

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Speaker 4: I was twenty five, it needs to be this year.

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Speaker 5: So I just kind of put my head down, went

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Speaker 5: and Mike Kron came along and said, like, you go,

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Speaker 5: good son, but you're throwing his crap. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: just gave me some real basic feedback about my throw

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Speaker 5: and I just I remember just during the NPC season,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, a bit of a bit of guidance and

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Speaker 5: I was twenty five, you know, and I was at

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Speaker 5: a good age that I needed to put my head

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Speaker 2: Because you were always that kind of player, though, weren't you. Yes, you,

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Speaker 2: I mean you you're a hooky. You're throwing to the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was timing Piney like in that

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Speaker 5: So I think I was pretty lucky because it definitely

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Speaker 5: I reckon it was a bit of luck that that

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Speaker 5: a kicking or saying like that. So yeah, that was

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Speaker 3: Well, they might have come up with the game plan,

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Speaker 3: but you still have to implement it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you are regarded as somebody who redefined

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Speaker 2: that looking role a fourth loose forward, the guy on

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of hookers do that, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: When you look back, now, do you do you feel

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Speaker 2: as though you played a part in the development of

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Speaker 5: I don't know about that, Piney, Like, I feel like

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Speaker 5: I just expressed myself if I've been completely honest, like

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Speaker 5: that's what that was, what my skill set was, and

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Speaker 5: I wasn't trying to redefine or change the way. I

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Speaker 5: just like, this is what I'm This is Dane Cole's

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Speaker 5: I just tried to mold myself, take little bits and

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Speaker 3: It that twenty twelve side you came in. So we're

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Speaker 3: still pretty stacked. Aay, not too many.

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Speaker 2: Not too many retired after twenty eleven, quite a few

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Speaker 2: that after twenty fifteen. But what was that environment like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty intimidating, to be fair, because me

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Speaker 4: We didn't make.

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Speaker 5: The initial squads of trainations and the bleedders though, so

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Speaker 5: we went straight into India tour and there wasn't much

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Speaker 4: It was like, all right, we see how you go.

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Speaker 5: You know, like remember my first line out says side

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Speaker 4: Like but that in their era.

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Speaker 5: You just kind of knew you shut your mouth, you

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Speaker 5: just got on with it, and your teamates respect and

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Speaker 5: guys like Kevan Horry and we'll get you and like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: do this, And I lend a lot of that time.

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Speaker 4: Mate was definitely shaped me. I'm the all black.

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Speaker 5: I probably was because I've seen the commitment what it

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Speaker 5: And I definitely leand a line off of those senior

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Speaker 2: So yeah, giving me alarm of everybody who talks about him,

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Speaker 3: And what an influential play he was.

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Speaker 2: But you know during that time and heading into the

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup, you end up starting games overhead.

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Speaker 2: But was he still a supportive teammate.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And I got that kind of fear

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Speaker 5: TV like probably two opposites, once from Southwark and one

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Speaker 5: from you know, me and Toto. But the relationship they had,

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Speaker 5: to share, that'd share with it. So yeah, and Kevy

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Speaker 4: So you know, I okivy a lot.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup winner obviously, Then the next

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Speaker 2: year the Canes are Super Rugby champions, You're leading that team,

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Speaker 2: nominated for World Rugby Player of the Year, what was

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Speaker 2: that your sweet spot that twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was, you know, like I had

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Speaker 5: a few injuries after that, but that's footy. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: like I obviously the Canes is a big part of

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Speaker 5: a lot, a lot. Yeah, to bring a championship home

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Speaker 5: was a great, great experience, and then it kind of

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Speaker 5: Like I think the turning point was probably Boydy giving

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Speaker 5: me the captaincy. Like I was at an age and

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Speaker 5: I was kind of cruising, not cruising a little bit,

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Speaker 5: but I need a bit of a challenge, and I

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Speaker 5: think him giving me the captaincy kind of just lifted

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I've got to I thank Wordy for that.

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Speaker 2: One thing that people who played at the same time

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Speaker 2: but didn't particularly enjoy playing against you, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: off the field, you're I mean, ever, I could tell

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Speaker 2: you a nice guy on the field, you just liked

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Speaker 4: For your yeah, it's probably that sums it up on me.

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Speaker 3: I was deliberately to people.

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Speaker 5: There's sometimes that like back then, you could see, you know,

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Speaker 5: back in the paper days, you could get you know,

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Speaker 5: quotes from like you know, from other teams that would

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Speaker 4: Just try focus on what you can and that's all

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us what?

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Speaker 5: It was and there's no like resentment for me, and

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Speaker 4: And he was emotional. He admitted that. I was like, mate,

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Speaker 5: When this World Cup, I will say this and he'll

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Speaker 4: And that's that's just rugby.

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Speaker 3: That's the well the civil lining has it ended in

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Speaker 4: It's quite cool.

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Speaker 4: Honestly. I love taking them to training. I love taking

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Speaker 5: like I just I let them do what they want

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Speaker 4: If they don't want to play, Like my son played.

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Speaker 5: Soccer for a year, you know, like that's I just

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Speaker 4: So yeah, but you never know.

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Speaker 5: Piney hopefully's a couple of all bicks and nit pet

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Speaker 4: But we'll see do.

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Speaker 2: You think I'm also Jaxon's team. Do you think he

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Speaker 4: They definitely know.

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Speaker 5: They get it on YouTube and play those bloody clips

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Speaker 5: the bad ones, and they give me a better stick.

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Speaker 4: But I think they kind of not. Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: They definitely know I played in their black jersey and

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Speaker 5: so hopefully they realized, you know, the the I suppose

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Speaker 4: Now love it.

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Speaker 2: And so you're doing some primo work for New Jialing rugby.

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Speaker 3: What else is taking up your time?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing a bit of coaching, mate, I'm coaching the

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Speaker 5: Just trying to get back a little bit coach doing

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Speaker 5: I reckon we underachieve up there. So just trying to

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Speaker 5: But yeah, loving it mate, doing a bit of this

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to life. It's really good.

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Speaker 2: Well, mat if the last fifteen minutes or and then

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Speaker 4: Q and yeah, I'll follow your lead. Piney. You clip

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Speaker 3: Great to see you, Colsey.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for stopping in, mate, Cheers, Piney. Thanks having mate

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Speaker 4: there is Dane Coles.

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