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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty the ones

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Speaker 2: By the way, I should say, Tim Grosser, former New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Ambassadors to the US, is going to be with

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Speaker 2: us after six talk about Trump's back down on the

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Speaker 2: China tariffs with us. Right now in the huddle we

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Speaker 2: have Jack Tame, hosts of Saturday Mornings in Q and A,

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Speaker 2: and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union Highlands.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 4: Jack, what did you make of Winston's tantrum about arn Z.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was vintage Winston Peters. That is everything

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Speaker 5: that the paradox of a politician is. You know, in

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Speaker 5: one week he's so statesman like when he's traveling the

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Speaker 5: world meeting with foreign leaders and dignitaries and trying to

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Speaker 5: negotiate these key positions for New Zealand. The next he

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Speaker 5: behaves like that. I thought it was pretty unbecoming for

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Speaker 5: lett alone a MP. I don't think there was anything

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Speaker 5: particularly difficult about the questions, but I think it probably

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Speaker 5: played out exactly as Winston wanted it to play out.

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Speaker 5: I mean curious that he was being questioned about whether

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Speaker 5: or not the members bill he's seeking to introduce would

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Speaker 5: be a distraction. Curious that that would then lead to

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Speaker 5: this right, that it would lead to that performance this morning,

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Speaker 5: and then would have the whole country talking like I say,

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Speaker 5: vintage Winston Peters. He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: What rickon Jordan's Well, it might be unbecoming, as Jack said,

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Speaker 1: but doesn't make it wrong.

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Speaker 3: I mean there is you.

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Speaker 4: Know what he said.

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Speaker 1: With Urns deed, of course it is. I mean ourne

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Speaker 1: had live in a different world. They have absolutely no accountability.

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Speaker 1: They now don't even publish and refuse to issue what

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Speaker 1: the ratings are for their individual shows.

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Speaker 3: You know, back in the I'm actually a believer in.

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Speaker 1: Public service broadcasting, but it does require professionalism and balance,

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Speaker 5: It was what was unbalanced about that interview this morning on.

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Speaker 1: Haven't listened to the interview with the len the opposition

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Speaker 5: Wasn't introducing a contentious bill, was he. I mean, he's

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Speaker 5: gone straight to the to the leader of a party

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Speaker 4: Okay, Jack hanging a check mate?

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Speaker 2: Do you are you telling me that you have never

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Speaker 4: Seem to give parties of the left a bit of

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Speaker 5: You've never thought I think exactly the opposite sometimes applies

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Speaker 1: The question we don't pay Heather.

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Speaker 5: The question is the question is whether or not that

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Speaker 4: Jordan, That's not the question.

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Speaker 5: The question is Jordan has Jordan has just asserted that

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Speaker 5: various problems with Irons and look, I think some of

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Speaker 5: those criticisms are totally reasonable.

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Speaker 3: I think it's out.

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Speaker 5: Rating that those that those public rating those rating shouldn't

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Speaker 5: automatically be public. However, I think that interview and listening

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Speaker 5: to it this morning was entirely reasonable. I think Corn

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Speaker 5: DNN is an excellent interviewer, and honestly, I'll stand upon

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Speaker 5: people Jack and to ask reasonable questions with politicians.

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Speaker 2: I don't think what we're discussing what Winston has accused

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Speaker 2: Aaron Zov as being woke left right, and if you.

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Speaker 4: Listen to it over a period of weeks or.

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Speaker 2: Months or even days. It's very hard not to come

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Speaker 2: Set aside that one single interview, but as a pattern

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Speaker 5: Well, his behavior is responding to one single interview. That's

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Speaker 3: Up.

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Speaker 4: You're avoiding the point, wouldn't go, you go bring.

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Speaker 1: Poor Jackson been in the gun and on. This is

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Speaker 1: be frank, I didn't think the interview with Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: I know it from the way that my staff for treated.

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Speaker 3: Well we wonder why that they they wonder why they're

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Speaker 1: And the Canadians are quite right. I mean, the mainstream

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Speaker 1: argue and I think it's perhaps time for us to

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Speaker 5: Think though, and obviously we're arguing in slightly different points here.

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Speaker 5: My point is that is that the incident that has

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Speaker 5: And I think it was an entirely reasonable interview.

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Speaker 2: Reasonable interviewer ads no, no, but I mean, okay, I

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Speaker 4: But but Kran started that out being a bit of

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Speaker 5: I don't, I agree, Well he did.

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Speaker 4: Because he said to Winston said, can I ask a question?

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Speaker 4: And Koran said, I'm the one who's asking questions here,

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Speaker 4: And it was just it was just a prickly and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this break.

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Speaker 4: I have got to take an ad break because we

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Speaker 2: Okay, Aaron said, you're welcome, We're not funded by the

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Speaker 4: Hanging a tick.

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Speaker 2: Just you two don't go anywhere back with a huddle,

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Speaker 2: Jack tame Jordan Williams. Listen, Jordan, you're keeping an eye

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Speaker 2: on this business with the co governance and the white

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who'd your interview with your good mate Richard Hill's

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Speaker 1: earlier And I'm not for a moment suggesting that he's

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Speaker 1: being sneaky, but he is wrong with his claim that

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Speaker 3: Decision of the council.

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Speaker 1: What is being proposed, make no mistake, is a co

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Speaker 3: This sort of weird, horrible.

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Speaker 1: In between co governance stuff where no one's happy it does.

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Speaker 3: Race relations are disservice.

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Speaker 1: I think we can hear the next baby and the

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Speaker 1: it's damn good of them to raise this issue before

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Speaker 1: it's too late.

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Speaker 4: Better know it okay. So, Jack, do you have the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's snoring a little bit.

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Speaker 4: He's snoring a little bit. Well, he is snoring the

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Speaker 4: whole huddle, and I've been I didn't want to draw

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Speaker 5: Especially you reposition him slightly a little mate.

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Speaker 4: How long has he been sleeping?

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Speaker 5: Probably forty minutes. I just wanted to give us.

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Speaker 1: Not going to sleep tonight. Yeah, yeah, I'm wandering around

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Speaker 1: on the summer and make the Chapo because I had

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Speaker 4: You have you, Jordan left them in the car by

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Speaker 4: Totally listen, Jack, I just want you take really quickly

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Speaker 2: What do you think of pumping more money into into

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine War given that the thing is clearly just

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Speaker 2: it's it's a lost cause.

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Speaker 5: Well, I really hope it's not a lost cause. And

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Speaker 5: That being said, Look, I don't actually think New Zealand's

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Speaker 5: country's sovereign rights for democracies, and I think it's really

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Speaker 1: So I've got no problem with it, shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I want your take because I know that you're a

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Speaker 4: tight world with the old tax payment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually got a staffer who thinks that defense

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Speaker 1: scratch my head at that it's both morally right and

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Speaker 1: diplomatically has advantageous to be in with with Europe.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, well, I mean, of course we'll want

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Speaker 3: it to end.

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Speaker 1: I saw that in the prep notoes for us that

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Speaker 1: was saying, you know, what's the point of putting money

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Speaker 1: in when they're going to lose anyway? But it's actually

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Speaker 1: all now about the negotiation position.

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Speaker 4: Surely, yep, But they are going to lose, aren't they

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Speaker 4: if they keep fighting?

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Speaker 1: Do we accept Well, if you've got Trump saying that

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Speaker 1: you know you can have what you've bitten off, mister

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Speaker 1: Putin will Yes, Yeah, from Ukrainian's point of view, that

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Speaker 1: is a loss, but it's better to stop losing more lives.

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Speaker 2: Yesose, So hey, listen, guys, thank you so much. Jack,

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Speaker 2: Beast of luck with the sleeping baby. There's Jack, Tame

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Speaker 2: and jord and Williams.

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