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Speaker 1: Jason Wall's political editors with us right now.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jason, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Prime Minister is not happy about the memo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's No, he's not, he's not, and I can

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Speaker 2: I can see why. I mean, if you're a government

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Speaker 2: that has basically hung your hat on getting tough on

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Speaker 2: crime and then you get see something like this being reported,

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Speaker 2: obviously you're not going to be pleased. This is what

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Speaker 2: he said earlier today. They got that wrong. We're a

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Speaker 2: party of law and order. We expect our police to

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Speaker 2: tackle crime everywhere, and that's good to see you clarify

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Speaker 2: that for now. He's talking about the Police Commissioner having

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Speaker 2: to come out and say that this memo that was

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Speaker 2: sent around about police not investigating crime below five hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars was confusing and unhelpful. And he goes on to

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Speaker 2: say that the memo was wrong, in inappropriate and hours beforehand,

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Speaker 2: and I think I heard you making this point earlier

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Speaker 2: in the afternoon. How the Police Minister, Mark Mitchell actually

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Speaker 2: called into talkback with Kerry to clarify the situation. And

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Speaker 2: you know you're not calling in talkback if you're happy

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Speaker 2: with how the situation is going, and of course it's

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Speaker 2: a terrible look for this government. I mean, what I

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Speaker 2: think has happened here is that there has always been

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Speaker 2: potentially some sort of an unwritten rule, because you know

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Speaker 2: that the police can't be everywhere all the time, all

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Speaker 2: at once, and there needs to be sort of some

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Speaker 2: level here. But somebody's made the mistake of actually writing

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Speaker 2: it down and sending it off and that's the in

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Speaker 2: turn being leaked to media, and of course it leaves

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Speaker 2: to all sorts of trouble for the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 2: his police minister. So I can get why he's not happy,

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Speaker 2: but I can also get why this sort of thing

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Speaker 2: has actually happened.

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Speaker 1: Okay, will you actually at his press conference.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's no, unfortunately it was up in Auckland.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you've watched the thing, right I did.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Did he at any point say that it is not true?

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't say that it wasn't true. He just

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Speaker 2: kept coming back to the fact that you know, it

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Speaker 2: was confusing and unhelpful.

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Speaker 1: And that you shouldn't so it is definitely happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen at this the Prime Minister didn't deny that

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Speaker 2: this was a thing, and he if he wanted to

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Speaker 2: use that opportunity to say, yes, I've had a briefing,

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Speaker 2: this is in fact not the case. Because of X

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Speaker 2: y Z. You wouldn't come out and see that. The

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Speaker 2: top brass of the police was it was unhelpful for

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Speaker 2: them to do something if it wasn't true.

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Speaker 1: So they're angry that somebody wrote down the thing that

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Speaker 1: they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, somebody said the thing that they shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: said out loud. You know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, why is Chippy so keen to hold the scrudge? Well, Winnie?

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Speaker 1: Why is Winnie holding the scrudge against Chippy? What's good?

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Speaker 2: Interesting? Before we get you call him chippy too. And

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Speaker 2: I heard you do that before because I said Chippy

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Speaker 2: when I was on my mid day cross and I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, is it a little bit too familiar?

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Speaker 2: But it just kind of rolled off the tongue. I

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Speaker 2: think it's because it's the colloquial name that we've developed him. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit off track track. But yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: a bit annoyed. I mean, here's what he said about

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Speaker 2: him this morning.

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Speaker 3: I think, frankly, New Zealanders have had enough of being

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Speaker 3: held to ransom by Winston Peters and David Seymour. I

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Speaker 3: think they want to get back to the idea that

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Speaker 3: the government's there to serve people rather than serve themselves,

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Speaker 3: which you know, Winston Peter's, frankly, is a master rate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a little bit of beef, a little

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Speaker 2: bits probably under selling it a little bit. There is

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Speaker 2: beef between the two of them, which is why I

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Speaker 2: think Winston came out as strong as he did this

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Speaker 2: morning saying that he would not be forming or have

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Speaker 2: any post government conversations with the Labor Party under Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 2: So there is a distinction between a Labor Party under

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkins and a Labor Party in general. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, you never know what happens afterwards. But it's

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Speaker 2: an interesting move for Winston because, as you know, it's

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Speaker 2: not really his sort of a move that he does

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Speaker 2: ruling things in and out.

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Speaker 1: No, his style is very much to leave every option open,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, like literally literally after the election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, look at the way m

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Speaker 2: MP has worked in the last or since it's come

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Speaker 2: into force. I mean, nobody's done it better than Winston.

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Speaker 2: And because it's because of things like this. People vote

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Speaker 2: for Winston because they get they get good things out

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Speaker 2: of it as far as they're concerned. They have so

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Speaker 2: much leverage. I mean, there's a reason why Winston got

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Speaker 2: quite a bit more than the Greens out of ar

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Speaker 2: Dern was because that, you know, everybody knows that the

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Speaker 2: Greens are going to go with the left leaning parties

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, and Winston is you know,

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Speaker 2: will go whatever way he thinks that he's going to

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Speaker 2: get the best. But it was quite interesting exactly, and

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Speaker 2: it was quite interesting when you were having a chat

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Speaker 2: with Chris Hopkins just before, he was not thinking that

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Speaker 2: it was a foregone conclusion that he'd actually be working

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Speaker 2: with Greens and Tibarti.

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Speaker 3: Marti, Oh, look, there's still plenty of water to flow

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Speaker 3: under the bridge yet, so.

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Speaker 2: There must be a lot of water to flow under

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Speaker 2: that labor bridge to mean that he's not going to

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Speaker 2: have to work with both of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point. Hey, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. I really appreciate it. Jason Jason Walls, Political Editor.

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Speaker 1: And as I say, Mike Mitchell, police Minister, is going

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Speaker 1: to be with us just after five o'clock.

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