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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with us Ella Barry.

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Speaker 2: So here you want to hear me tell it how

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Speaker 2: it is here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Go on, then tell us you think the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is just a nonsense?

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Speaker 2: Well I do. I think of course Nikola Willis would

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Speaker 2: speak to Luxon about GDP. I mean, why wouldn't she.

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Speaker 2: The government would no doubt be having a corn flab

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Speaker 2: amongst themselves about it, and how dreadful the Second Court

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Speaker 2: it was. But I got to say that Chris lux

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Speaker 2: In and Auckland here today laid it on with a

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Speaker 2: trial when he was asked for his reaction to Roger

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Speaker 2: Douglas calling for her resignation. Absolute rubbish.

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis is the best person to be Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: and Economic Growth Minister in this whole country. She is

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Speaker 3: absolutely outstanding. I see how hard she works. I know

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Speaker 3: what she's wrestling with. She has inherited the biggest recession

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Speaker 3: in thirty five years. We've inherited the longest hangover of

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Speaker 3: COVID from any Western country. We've inherited a situation where

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Speaker 3: the last lot ran up the debt three times and

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Speaker 3: we write out a ten billion dollar interest bill each

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Speaker 3: and every year and have nothing to show for it.

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Speaker 3: So she is cleaning it up and she's doing an

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Speaker 3: exceptionally good job. And I don't think there's a single

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Speaker 3: New Zealander that could do a better job than Nichola Willis.

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Speaker 2: Well, make no mistake about it, Heather. But you know

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Speaker 2: it's interesting, isn't it that Tim You know clearly where

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Speaker 2: she goes, the prime minister will go as well. Sounds

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Speaker 2: a bit like David Loggie and Roger Douglass because the

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Speaker 2: resignations of finance ministers are very very rare. Indeed, you

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Speaker 2: know Roger, yes, exactly, Roger Douglas stood aside because he

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Speaker 2: end of falling out with David Long and you stopped

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Speaker 2: for his cup of tea and didn't like the way

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Speaker 2: things were going, and I remember it well. But the

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Speaker 2: other one is that Ruth Richardson, who understand you're going

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Speaker 2: to be talking too shortly. She was essentially sacked from

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Speaker 2: the job. She won't admit to that, but it was

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Speaker 2: after the nineteen ninety three election that she was the

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Speaker 2: Finance minister. After the election, she wasn't the Finance minister.

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Speaker 2: So and you'd have to go back then to the

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirties to find another finance minister who stood aside

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Speaker 2: from the portfolio because he did so on a matter

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Speaker 2: of principle. Downey Steward I think was his name.

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Speaker 1: We're nowhere near second territory or resignation territory.

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Speaker 2: It was just what the hell. It's absurd to even

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Speaker 2: entertained the notion. And the thing is, as I said yesterday,

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Speaker 2: the one person who's done a great job in all

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Speaker 2: of this is Adrian or he engineered a recession. By god,

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Speaker 2: did he get one?

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Speaker 1: Jesz. None of us were wondering did Adrian get recession?

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Speaker 1: We all felt that and we still laugh. Now, what's

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Speaker 1: going wrong with Stu Nash again?

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Speaker 2: Oh, poor old stew I mean talk about you know,

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Speaker 2: he put his foot in it telling us what he

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Speaker 2: thought a woman was. And it would seem that I

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Speaker 2: think that's rebounded far too heavily on him. It was

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Speaker 2: very crude. He admitted to it, and he said that

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Speaker 2: he was He groveled and said he was terribly sorry

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Speaker 2: at making it. He let himself down the comment that is,

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Speaker 2: and you know, obviously he's learnt something from it. Well,

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Speaker 2: it seems there's a mission off now to the US

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Speaker 2: that stude Nash was meant to be on. It was

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Speaker 2: a government lead mission by Erica Stanford about visas, and

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Speaker 2: he had a lot to do with visas when he

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Speaker 2: was in the labor government. But he's been dropped from

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Speaker 2: that delegation because they think it would be too much

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Speaker 2: of a diversion of interest in what he had said

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Speaker 2: about what a woman was. I mean, honestly, I think

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Speaker 2: that's taking wokeism to the extreme. I mean, really, he

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Speaker 2: made an apology, made a stupid remark, but he should

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Speaker 2: most certainly have been on that mission.

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Speaker 1: But Barry, it was the most crash thing that a

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Speaker 1: position has ever said.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'll be thrown out of the house if I

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Speaker 2: said it.

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Speaker 1: I just all I'm trying. I just am wondering if

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Speaker 1: your tolerance of the comment, and maybe even mine, is

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Speaker 1: on account of the fact that we really like Nash.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do like stud Nash, but no, it's a

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Speaker 2: comment pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrible.

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Speaker 2: Comment, and I don't think we could even remind your

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Speaker 2: listeners of what the comment was.

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Speaker 1: So bad, I think you get one go at explaining it.

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Speaker 1: No more, that's right, it's too hard out Hey, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Winston Peters is off to the UN this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Is ease. We've only only got seven sleeps to go

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Speaker 2: here that before we find out whether we're going to

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Speaker 2: recognize Palestine as a state. But the interesting thing to

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Speaker 2: me is we're going to hear on Saturday morning our time.

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Speaker 2: That means, and I've been to these UN General assemblies

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Speaker 2: with leaders on many occasions, the New Zealand delegation get

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Speaker 2: or the minister, and usually the Prime Minister gets to

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Speaker 2: speak to an empty auditorium because by that time on

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Speaker 2: a Friday night, most people have gone home. So the

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Speaker 2: only ones really interested in Winston Peter's speech will be

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders to see if we do in fact recognize Palestine.

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Speaker 2: And I can't see how we couldn't, although don't forget

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Speaker 2: Old Trumpy when he was in Britain told a Keir

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Speaker 2: Starmer off for doing the same thing recognizing Palestine. So

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Speaker 2: maybe we are playing the Americans game at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very so, Thank you, very much, very so. For

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Speaker 1: senior political correspondent. Will be back with us quarter past

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