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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring It's Heather Dupercy on drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, AID

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Speaker 3: is finally getting into gaza again. We're going to chat

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Speaker 3: to doctors without borders about that life expectancy bad news.

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Speaker 3: Life expectancy for people who sleep too much is actually

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Speaker 3: worse than for those who don't sleep enough. We'll have

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Speaker 3: a chat to sleep expert to figure that one out.

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Speaker 3: And Nikola Willis is with us as per usual on

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Speaker 3: a Monday after six.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duperic out right, Well, the news of.

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Speaker 3: The day politically is that surcharges are gone. The government's

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Speaker 3: just banned them. You know what I'm talking about here, right.

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Speaker 3: They are the little extra amount that you get pinged

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Speaker 3: when you turn up at the dairy and you use

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Speaker 3: your credit card or you use your payWave. Gone from

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Speaker 3: May next year. And the big cell behind this basically

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Speaker 3: is that it's to help you with the cost of

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Speaker 3: living crisis. Now, I hate to do this because I

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Speaker 3: know you're thinking, yeah, and I'm totally going to rain

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Speaker 3: on that parade for you. Don't get excited. This is

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Speaker 3: going to fix nothing. You are still going to end

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Speaker 3: up paying that cost somehow, probably just through the cost

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Speaker 3: of the bottle of milk that you're buying. It'll be

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Speaker 3: in there now, or your haircut or your sushi or

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Speaker 3: whatever it is. It's going to be built into the

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Speaker 3: price because the business still has the cost. Nothing is

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Speaker 3: changing there. They've still got to pay that merchant fee. Now,

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Speaker 3: a merchant fee is a very complicated set of charges

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Speaker 3: which the business gets lumped with, and most businesses actually

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Speaker 3: have bloody no idea what makes up that merchant fee.

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Speaker 3: There's a fee from the credit card companies, there's a

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Speaker 3: feed fee for moving money from the banks, there's the

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Speaker 3: f post providers. The whole thing gets lumped into the

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Speaker 3: merchant fee. That has not gone away. What's only gone

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Speaker 3: away is the business's ability to be able to recover

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Speaker 3: the cost of some of that through the surcharge. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, the cost of that thing is actually

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Speaker 3: quite big. I mean, I've read about one business, just

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Speaker 3: one shop, that pays about fourteen thousand dollars in a

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Speaker 3: year just for that, just for the merchant fee, just

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Speaker 3: to be able to do business. Electronically. Now that what's

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Speaker 3: going to happen if you go to that shop is

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Speaker 3: because that guy can't now pass it on to you

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Speaker 3: with a two percent, zero point seven percent one percent

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Speaker 3: surcharge or whatever. He's simply going to add it to

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Speaker 3: the cost of his product, so that across the year

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Speaker 3: he makes that fourteen thousand dollars back. Also why you

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Speaker 3: shouldn't get excited about it is that this ban does

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Speaker 3: not include anything that you buy online. You're buying your

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Speaker 3: air New Zealand tickets, Yep, you're still going to be

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Speaker 3: paying that little six dollar handling fee. You're buying some

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Speaker 3: tickets for a concert from ticket Master. Maybe you want

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Speaker 3: to head along to banksy go check that out. Yep,

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Speaker 3: you're still going to be paying yourself a little a nice,

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Speaker 3: little eight dollar handling fee. And the problem with that

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Speaker 3: I would have thought of surcharges just bearing no resemblance

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Speaker 3: banks and the FPOs companies and the credit card companies,

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Speaker 3: and really excessive surcharges. The government's just taken the easy

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Speaker 3: option and brought in a ban on the little stuff

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Speaker 3: you buy from the dairy good headline. Unfortunately though just

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Speaker 4: Heather do for ce Ellen when signs then.

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Speaker 3: This is the angels. I'm going to come back to

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Speaker 3: this and except we've just got to deal with some

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Speaker 3: serious news. By the way, nine two ninety two is

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Speaker 3: the text number good news if you hate scaffolding. Health

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Speaker 3: and Safety Minister Brook van Velden has announced that not

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Speaker 3: all maintenance at height will be required to use scaffolding

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Speaker 3: in their work. Minister is going to be consulting with

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Speaker 3: Julian Lais is the chief executive at the Building Industry Federation.

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Speaker 5: Hey Julian, Hey, heathern how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you mate. So if Brook comes to you and says, right,

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Speaker 3: how do we change it? What do we do? What

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Speaker 6: Oh, look, I'd say Brooke, it's all about the detail.

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Speaker 6: And so what we want to do is ensure of

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Speaker 6: And every everyone hates scaffolding as much as they hate

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Speaker 6: road cones. But we shouldn't forget that. You know that

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Speaker 6: scaffolding there is there for a reason, and you know

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Speaker 3: No, Julian, you're not that guy. Ask you?

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Speaker 7: Are you?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 3: Oh you're standing? Oh look that you're half a meter

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Speaker 3: off the ground. We need some scaffolding for you. Are

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Speaker 6: I'm saying we need to be mindful that we don't

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Speaker 6: put pace before prudence and make these reforms. I think

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, we've gone way too far in

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Speaker 6: I think we have to some extent. I think so

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Speaker 6: shouldn't forget hither that most people then end up in

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Speaker 6: eds are blokes that are falling off ladders, right, so.

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Speaker 3: Are they starting? I don't want to protect stone people

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Speaker 3: like this is the thing?

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Speaker 3: I think so one day that this is the worst

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Speaker 3: example for me. You have been to Wellington, you right,

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Speaker 3: you drive along Evans Bay Parade, you got those little

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Speaker 3: when the boathouses, when the little I don't know my

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Speaker 3: building terms, you know, you're the apex of the roof,

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Speaker 3: and they had scaffolding to work on that. That's silly,

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Speaker 6: Well indeed, so look, the Minister will be consulting with

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Speaker 6: Then as long as you've got these other things in place,

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Speaker 6: that that's a good compromise. So I think let's wait

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Speaker 6: and see what But I think we will see you

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Speaker 3: Don't you think that for the most part we could

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Speaker 6: Well, it all depends on the nature of the project,

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Speaker 3: So I think I think most of it well, I

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Speaker 3: think we probably would agree with each other. But but

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not loving the fact that you came

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Speaker 3: in kind of with a negative attitude. So are you

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Speaker 3: breaks on brooks Idea?

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Speaker 6: Are you not the breaks? Just just the voice of

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Speaker 6: sanity Heather.

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Speaker 3: No, this is the wrong thing to say, now, really

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Speaker 3: you are going to be the breaks.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I love what's going on with the

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Speaker 3: jib board and all these alternative products you know, from

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Speaker 3: from from from other parts of the world where you

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Speaker 3: know we have we have similar thinking probably would be

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Speaker 3: how much confidence do we have that the likes of

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Speaker 3: Bunnings and Mighty ten are actually going to stock them?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Look, I think you know they will stock what

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Speaker 6: what what the merchants want? Sorry, what the trade's want?

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Speaker 6: And what the specifies the architects and others want known.

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Speaker 6: That's know, if it's available in the market, they will

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Speaker 6: it's good quality, and if it's at a certain price,

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Speaker 6: it'll come in.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this is good? Because if I

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Speaker 3: I'd probably I'd have enough things going on in my

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Speaker 3: life not to have to worry about whether I'm going

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Speaker 3: to get alternative jib, so I'll just stick with what

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Speaker 3: I know. So if everybody just sticks with what they know,

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Speaker 3: nothing changes. So is this going to rely on the

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think it'll rely on It will rely on

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Speaker 6: the homeowners and customers, but it'll flow through the entire

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Speaker 6: I say, the the architects as well, including the builders,

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Speaker 6: because there'll be a bit of awareness on their part.

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Speaker 6: They'll they'll want to try alternative products if they are cheaper,

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Speaker 6: but if they still meet code. So it's not going

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Speaker 3: Julian, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Julian as

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Speaker 3: chief executive of the Building Industry Federation. Hither you are

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Speaker 3: an economic retard. Thank you. I think that's got to

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Speaker 3: do with surcharges. Hither, I don't even have a choice

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Speaker 3: now not to pay the charges by not using the payWave.

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Speaker 3: I'm not happy this is this is part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back to that. Well, that's part of the

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Speaker 3: problem anyway. By the way, did you realize if you're

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Speaker 3: look at this spicy green drink. That's just so colorful

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Speaker 3: Hither our tutor twisted off the bottom step of a

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Speaker 3: ladder and broke his back. Accidents happened to change his life,

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Speaker 3: and your scoffing at safety, yes, well, please note though

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Speaker 3: that your tutor hurt himself on a ladder, not scaffolding

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Speaker 3: or not without I mean, maybe, what is the solution

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Speaker 3: to this problem that you have presented to us? Should

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Speaker 3: we take ladders away from everybody to be uber safe?

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Be responsibly Jason Pine's sports talk host Halo Piney, Hello, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Are the Warriors a top four side.

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Speaker 11: At the moment?

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Speaker 12: They are?

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Speaker 11: I'm looking at the table and there they are tucked

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Speaker 11: The lost of the Titans the other day was not

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Speaker 11: I say that, it's the Panthers who are closing and

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Speaker 11: they've won seven in a row. Now, the Panthers, they

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Speaker 11: are only three points behind the Warriors with six games

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Speaker 11: to go, And it just feels to me as though

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Speaker 11: there are some stumbles going on here in Warriors Land

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Speaker 11: They were so good earlier on in the season and

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Speaker 11: This is a team that can actually go all the

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Speaker 11: in that top four. I think the Panthers will make it.

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Speaker 11: The Warriors have to beat the Dolphins at home on

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Speaker 11: Friday night and then massive game against the Bulldogs away

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Speaker 11: in top four terms again. But it is less certain

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Speaker 11: than it was a week while ago.

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Speaker 3: So what do you I mean? Did I or did

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Speaker 3: I not predict this for you? That they would play

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Speaker 3: well and then at the back half of the season

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Speaker 3: they just like they always do. So this is all

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Speaker 3: in their head, isn't it. This is completely in their head.

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Speaker 11: Part of it is I think there's also the injuries concerns.

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Speaker 11: But having said that, every team faces injuries and there

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Speaker 11: are fact of life in a physical sport like rugby league.

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Speaker 11: They are missing some key players Luke Metcalf gone. That

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Speaker 11: his position. So yeah, there are extenuating circumstances. But what

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Speaker 11: your hope, Heather, is that it's not on their heads

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Speaker 11: that they can say, you know what, we can and

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Speaker 11: will play better for these last six games. Because if

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Speaker 11: deep into the playoffs. It really is difficult. So they've

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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, listen, I could keep talking about

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Speaker 3: the worries, but I need to talk about what happened

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Speaker 3: to the Wallabies. Were the Wallabies hard done by or

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Speaker 3: actually could that player that player could not have got

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Speaker 11: Jack Morgan coming in will. Opinion is absolutely divided on this.

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Speaker 11: CEO of Australian Rugby, Phil war former player himself, has

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Speaker 11: demanded a please explain. I'm not sure why people do

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Speaker 11: this because it's not going to change things. It's not

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Speaker 11: going to change the result. Jack Morgan was very low

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Speaker 11: the British and Irish lines player coming in. But the

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Speaker 11: fact remains he didn't wrap both of his arms and

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Speaker 11: he hit Tazarno on the neck, which you're not allowed

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Speaker 3: So how much of his arms did he wrap? He rapped?

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Speaker 11: From what his left arms on the ground. Either, he

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Speaker 3: Okay, is that because I can't remember that? But is

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Speaker 3: that because he's deliberately fowling or is it simply when

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Speaker 11: Well, that's his responsibility. If he doesn't think he can

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Speaker 3: There is a thought also he hit hit the other

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Speaker 3: bloke on the neck. What is that not one of

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Speaker 3: those ones where you go look, there will be collisions accidentally.

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Speaker 3: It's not deliberate, but it happens.

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Speaker 11: You can say that, but will Rugby have been adamant

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Speaker 3: That brought a frustration with Rugby and for once actually

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Speaker 3: that had some common sense and said, this guy couldn't

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Speaker 11: I think the frustration is that we're still now arguing

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Speaker 11: similar situation led to a red card to broder Retelic

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Speaker 3: Piney, good to talk to you. You're going to have

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Speaker 3: an absolute stonker of a show at seven o'clock. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait for Hererett Jason Pine sports Stalk Coast back

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Speaker 3: at seven hither. The worst fall I've had was on

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Speaker 3: a bucket to reach something. You've got to take those

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Speaker 3: buckets away from people. Ah, take the brook take the

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Speaker 3: buckets away while you're with the scaffolding. Hey, we've got

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Speaker 3: to talk about the booing, hanging a tick for twenty.

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Speaker 1: Three getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news

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Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Coming up twenty six past four years. So on the booing.

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Speaker 3: It turns out that the Prime Minister was booted the

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Speaker 3: netball last night, which then caused the MC or whoever,

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Speaker 3: while standing there with the microphone, to have to gently

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Speaker 3: See if you can hear it in the background.

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Speaker 14: We are honored to be joined on court by Prime

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Speaker 14: Minister Christopher Luxen, Astrod Burgess Ams and Chief Marketing Officer

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Speaker 14: on how incredible that game.

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Speaker 2: Was, shall we?

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Speaker 3: Oh, oh, he's just been Actually this is just landed

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Speaker 3: in my my little folder. He's just been at the

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Speaker 15: Oh, look, it's not uncommon for politicians to be booed

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Speaker 15: at some events, but I just say I was treated

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Speaker 16: People were very.

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Speaker 15: Very nice to me at that event, and they often

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Speaker 3: Oh, very nice to you. Anyway, So we were discussing.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to have to take this up with

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Speaker 3: Barry because we're discussing this in the office because it's

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Speaker 3: a weird place to boost someone at the netball. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's not like they're not a federal crowd at the netball.

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Speaker 3: Barry said to us, he goes off, netball is always

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Speaker 3: You know that it's a bit working class. We're all like,

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Speaker 3: class anyway. Listen to this. Listen to we'll talk very

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Speaker 3: about that later. This is the test, Temper Trap, a

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Speaker 3: Sweet Disposition. All of these songs have featured in Ossie

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Speaker 3: Radio station Triple Jay's countdown of the top one hundred

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Speaker 3: Australian songs of all time. I'm into this. I will

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Speaker 1: Enjoy putting the challenging questions to the people at the

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Speaker 1: heart of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with

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Speaker 4: News talks'd be.

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Speaker 3: God, Yeah, got got yer, got yer bookcase. It'speed a while,

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Speaker 3: Isn't it acts as ages you?

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Speaker 11: Isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Got ya and Kimber somebody that got ya to mar

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Speaker 3: Potatoes Potatoes Okay, that produces loves to correct me on

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Speaker 3: It's a good playlist day anyway. Oh, he's gonna have

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Speaker 3: And then I'll talk to you about why I'm loving

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Speaker 3: Also listen some fantastic news after our show, because because

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Speaker 3: you will know, we spend a bit of time on

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Speaker 3: Friday talking about Gaza, because this has become completely intolerable. Fortunately,

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Speaker 3: the Doctors without Borders they'll be with us after five o'clock.

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Speaker 4: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So, as I said, Israel's letting some aid into Gaza.

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Speaker 3: A former US diplomat says the international community needs to

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Speaker 17: Possible recognition of a Palestinian state by others than France

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Speaker 3: All of this is just so unnecessary, according to Betina,

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Speaker 1: The UN is making excuses and lies about the state

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Speaker 4: They are allowed in. There are secured corridors, they have

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Speaker 3: US and the EU have agreed to a trade deal.

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Speaker 3: Trump met with the European Commissioned President Zula Vondeli and

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Speaker 4: That's a huge deal.

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Speaker 16: It will bring stability, it will bring predictability.

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Speaker 15: That's very important for our businesses on both sides of

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Speaker 3: And finally, a church concert in London has been shut

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Speaker 1: Apologize international correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 3: Banger My House, Electric Blue, Ollie, how good it was?

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Speaker 19: that and you just start dreaming about sort of good

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Speaker 19: times and you know some of the girls in high school.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you've got a case here that that

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Speaker 3: should have been higher. I mean, don't dream it's over

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Speaker 3: as at number five, and that song I don't want

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Speaker 3: to be unkind to, you know, to my fellow Kiwis.

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Speaker 3: But Electric Blue was a thousand times better than Don't

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Speaker 3: Treat So.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, And like you said, don' dreamonsover's not even Australian.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not even Australia. Also, it just so miserable,

448
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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 19: But we claim everything that's successful, that's yours becomes ours.

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Speaker 19: So effectively, if you you know, if you win the

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Speaker 19: World Cup, we win the World Cup. That's how it works.

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Speaker 3: Also, the Veronica's untouched at number three, that's a crime. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: big time. I want you just go on, yeah, hi, Now,

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Speaker 3: I actually have been quietly, very pleased at Albanese's stance

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Speaker 3: on Israel. What's the coalition's problem with it?

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Speaker 19: Well, they're saying that albo has to be careful in

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Speaker 19: his assertion that Israel is breaching international law. And I

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Speaker 19: think the point you just made there about Albanize even

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Speaker 19: yesterday asking you to follow France and acknowledged Palestine, he

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Speaker 19: said not while Hamas is still at the heart of

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Speaker 19: the government in Palestine. And I think that's probably the

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Speaker 19: response which most people here would agree with.

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Speaker 1: I think you can.

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Speaker 19: I think you can critics both countries, both both states

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Speaker 19: or countries here in this circumstance. Head but Dantee and

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Speaker 19: he wants the Prime Minister to back up the claim

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Speaker 19: that Israel's breached international law by blocking aid into Gaza,

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Speaker 19: and he's pointing the finger at her musk for the

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Speaker 19: situation in Gaza, the terror group is weaponizing AID. I

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Speaker 19: think it's an interesting stance for Danteine to take in

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Speaker 19: the opposition benches. The Labor wants to recognize Palestine.

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Speaker 8: It does.

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Speaker 19: It took that to the last two elections, so it

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Speaker 19: is something which is obviously internally for the government as

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Speaker 19: well troubling because they need to do something about it,

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Speaker 19: or there's a lot of pressure for the Prime ministers.

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Speaker 9: To do something.

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Speaker 19: But as he said, yes, I'm not acknowledging it until

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Speaker 19: her mus is not there as the ruling majority in Palestine.

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Speaker 19: So this is again interesting stance that Danteene has taken.

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Speaker 19: I can understand that the coalition has very much been

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Speaker 19: backing Israel through the entire process and has always said

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Speaker 19: that they will.

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Speaker 3: Stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

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Speaker 19: But an interesting stance from Danteene.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much.

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Speaker 17: So.

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Speaker 3: Now, who's the former TV host charged with touching the

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Speaker 3: sixteen year old boy.

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Speaker 19: So this is Peter Everett, who was big on Australian

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Speaker 19: screens through the late nineties early two thousands. He was

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Speaker 19: on a show called Changing Rooms, which is like a

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Speaker 19: renovation show, and you know, we've seen plenty of versions

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Speaker 19: of those sorts of shows. He then went on a

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Speaker 19: hosted Ready Steady Cook, which was also a big daytime

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Speaker 19: show on the ten network. You know, you find a

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Speaker 19: few ingredients and all of a sudden you've created something.

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Speaker 19: But Peter Everett's has been charged by New South Wales

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Speaker 19: Police following extensive police inquiries on an alleged incident involving

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Speaker 19: a sixteen year old boy.

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Speaker 3: He is yet to face.

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Speaker 19: He very briefly appeared rather in Paramatta Local Court yesterday.

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Speaker 19: He was pleading not guilty to that charge, but he

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Speaker 19: won't be back in court until September three, so we

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Speaker 19: do not have any more of the facts in what

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Speaker 19: he's being alleged here. But Peter Everett was well known

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Speaker 19: on Australian screens through the late nighties early two thousands

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Speaker 19: and this is obviously a very serious allegation which will

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Speaker 19: be tested through the courts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Ollie, thanks for talking us through it. Oli Peterson

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Speaker 3: six PR Perth Live presenter Heather Electric Blue is horrid whatever,

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Speaker 3: This is what I love about this. Okay. So the

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Speaker 3: triple if you didn't oh gosh, where to even start? Okay,

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Speaker 3: So the baby's got her first book given to her

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Speaker 3: like first Kiddies book, and it's one of those ones

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Speaker 3: you know that the big the little people, big stories

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is. I don't know, and it's like

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Speaker 3: stars and stuff. So she's got she got the Kylie

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Speaker 3: Minogue book to be reading about Kylie Minogue every night. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about it and I thought she's Actually

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Speaker 3: the Australians have really got a lot of bangers, like

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Speaker 3: that is a country that's produced a huge number of

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Speaker 3: absolute banging tunes. Have you got anything for us ants

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Speaker 3: that didn't make like the top whatever you've got here?

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Speaker 7: Twelve?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm getting he's not. He says he can find something.

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Speaker 3: I haven't even given him a chance. If Electric Blue

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Speaker 3: is coming in at one hundred, like if that banger

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Speaker 3: of a tune is at one hundred, what does that

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Speaker 3: tell you about the caliber of the music that they've produced.

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Speaker 3: Black Betty is at number ninety. Empire of a Sun

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Speaker 3: Walking on a Dream?

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Speaker 10: What have you got?

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Speaker 3: What'sat is that Black Betty?

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Speaker 20: I heard it.

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Speaker 3: Empire of the Sun Walking on a Dream is twenty four,

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Speaker 3: Peaking Duck High is eighty two, Thunderstruck by Akadaka is thirteen.

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Speaker 3: That is how good, like they don't even make the

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Speaker 3: top ten. That's how good these tunes are.

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Speaker 4: What have you got?

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Speaker 3: And oh look at that, it's not even in the

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Speaker 3: top twenty three. Wait for it. Wait it's coming on.

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Speaker 3: Let's wait just wait.

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Speaker 8: Fuck, there you go.

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Speaker 2: How good is that?

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Speaker 3: Australia you caught thing with your music?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so we've got heaps of that coming at you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you what number one is. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to listen all the way through to the

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Speaker 3: end of the show to find out. Very sos next

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Speaker 3: sixteen to five is running.

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Speaker 16: Oh, we're pushing up the heel, searching fog.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics, credit check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 12: And with us.

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Speaker 3: Right now we have Barry Sober, senior political correspondent, Barry.

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Speaker 12: Good afternoon, head on.

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Speaker 3: Do you think of the booing at the netball?

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Speaker 12: Well, I've got to say I listened, tried to listen

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Speaker 12: to it several times and I couldn't really hear it.

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Speaker 12: And it's not because I'm hard of hearing.

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Speaker 3: It's just, of course, is because you're heart here.

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Speaker 7: No, it's not.

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Speaker 12: I wound it right up. I really the level of

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Speaker 12: booing was very low compared to what I've seen of

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Speaker 12: prime ministers in the past. But would you expect it

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Speaker 12: at a netball final.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: I think it was pretty good of the Prime Minister

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Speaker 12: to turn up. I don't think there would be many

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Speaker 12: prime ministers that would turn up and sit through the match.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's a great match obviously, but look, he

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Speaker 12: wasn't too concerned about being booed. Chris likes and says

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Speaker 12: didn't surprise him greatly.

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Speaker 15: Oh look, it's not uncommon for politicians to be booed

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Speaker 15: at some events.

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Speaker 16: But I just say I was treated really well.

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Speaker 15: People were very very nice to me event, and they

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Speaker 15: often are across the whole of the country. I don't

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Speaker 15: want that to take away from what was an absolutely

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Speaker 15: fantastic game between the mystics and the tactics, and for

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Speaker 15: the tactics to come through and when they hadn't done

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Speaker 15: for a long time was pretty special. You know, there's

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Speaker 15: always elements that will be frustrated with government. I get

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Speaker 15: that that goes with being a politician.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 19: So there you go.

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Speaker 12: He's taking it in astride, which.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Berry stopping like this. You know that if

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Speaker 3: you get if you if you go to you said,

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Speaker 3: why don't you repeat to us what you said about

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Speaker 3: netball crowds earlier?

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Speaker 17: No, I won't.

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Speaker 12: My three daughters they went through netball and I was

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Speaker 12: on the side of the court every Saturday watching netball,

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Speaker 12: so I know the game pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what you said is not surprising. Prouple of

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Speaker 3: lefties and it's very working for class.

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Speaker 12: We've all left leading, I said, the the people that

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Speaker 12: turn up to watch.

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Speaker 3: When we called Jenny Woods to confirm whether you are correct,

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Speaker 3: what is should she and all of those she's like

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Speaker 3: the voice of netball because it's just as you heard

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Speaker 3: last night. But listen, Barry, in all seriousness, regardless of

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Speaker 3: you know anyway, regardless, the thing is, if a prime

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Speaker 3: minister is turning up eighteen months into his prime ministership

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Speaker 3: to a crowd full of mums who listened to Coats

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Speaker 3: right and getting booed, that's not that's not a good

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Speaker 3: looking Well.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 12: The first quarter of an hour of today's press conference

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Speaker 12: and I thought, really, you know, you shouldn't do this

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Speaker 12: as a press conference because you meant to be there

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Speaker 12: answering questions. First fifteen minutes were spent on what they've

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Speaker 12: done over the past year for the economy too long. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: they've got to have some advice that it's a press conference,

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Speaker 12: it's not a speech.

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Speaker 3: Do you not think though, if you're going and I

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Speaker 3: think where this Netwell game was being held is really important,

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Speaker 3: right it's in west Auckland. West Auckland is the place

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Speaker 3: you have to win if you want to win an election.

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Speaker 3: But also a bunch of tradees they think like normal people.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that he's been done to that extent

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Speaker 3: I think is reasonably sir.

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Speaker 12: Okay, drive home the point here, but you're not making

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Speaker 12: it to me.

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Speaker 3: But that's fine anyway, whatever. Okay, talk to me then

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Speaker 3: about what's going on with the merchants. But the merchant

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Speaker 3: fee that's been and the searcharges, I'm not convinced by

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Speaker 3: Big Well.

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Speaker 12: The big problem is something that's always been one of

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Speaker 12: my bug bears, as you well know. When you go

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Speaker 12: to pay a restaurant bill and you see six bucks

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Speaker 12: or whatever added on to the end of the bill

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Speaker 12: because you've got to pay for your credit card use. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: I think that's outrageous. And I've said so on this

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Speaker 12: program before. So they're doing away with those. But then

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Speaker 12: who picks up the cost? Well, the obviously the retailer

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Speaker 12: picks up the cost, and you'll see it probably an

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Speaker 12: increased food bill charges and restaurants. You'll see it probably

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Speaker 12: in prices and retail stores. But I'll tell you what

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Speaker 12: the Minister of Finance, and you've got to remember if

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Speaker 12: you look at banks, because there's a feeling that banks

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Speaker 12: should be picking up this, but the four big banks

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Speaker 12: now account for nearly a quarter, or nearly one in

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Speaker 12: six dollars of corporate tax collected in this country. So

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Speaker 12: they are the best government customers in this country. They

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Speaker 12: contribute two point five billion dollars in tax.

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Speaker 3: Is that why Scott Simpson's giving them such an easy run?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly. But if you listen to the Finance Minister,

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Speaker 12: if you're sitting her chair, you can understand her steering

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Speaker 12: clear of the banks, the retailers having to absorb the cost. Well,

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Speaker 12: Nichola Willis doesn't leave, they'll pass it on to the consumer.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, I would certainly encourage them not to do that,

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Speaker 8: and I think you'd find that small businesses. No, it's

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Speaker 8: a pretty competitive world out there, and if they do that,

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Speaker 8: they might lose some shoppers. The evidence from the EU

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Speaker 8: and the UK is that there's no broad evidence that

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Speaker 8: that occurred.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well you know, don't don't count on that happening

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Speaker 12: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I would say, no, Verry, thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That's very so for senior political correspondence. Scott Simpson's with

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Speaker 3: us after five eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: The CLI Minister christ of Elections, Well, this give me

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Speaker 18: some good news on this foreigners buying houses?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, so, I mean he saw Winston last week where

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Speaker 16: making progress. I know it's not the answer you want.

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Speaker 16: You want me to tell you what the answer is

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Speaker 16: right now, right today?

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Speaker 6: Correct?

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Speaker 7: I get it. Chris is being made.

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Speaker 16: What's the holder?

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Speaker 7: He seems to understand it needs to be rective.

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Speaker 16: No, he does, he does, and the conversations are good

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Speaker 16: and positive. What we're discussing as a mechanism by help.

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Speaker 16: So what are you stuck on numbers for a house?

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Speaker 16: How high the value of the houses? That's one of

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Speaker 16: the conversations here, But there'll be other, you know, which

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Speaker 16: want to make sure you mean they'll be there.

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Speaker 8: What are they?

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Speaker 16: And I want to make sure we get the mechanisms.

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Speaker 18: Right back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 18: with the land Driver Discovery News Talk said Behither.

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Speaker 3: The netball final was in the west Auckland Paula Bennett

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Speaker 3: territory West. He say what they think, and I love

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Speaker 3: that about us. It's a barometer of the nation joke.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think where it is is

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Speaker 3: very important here. The shame on the netball and their

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Speaker 3: woke crowd Hither on the whole netble is working class

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Speaker 3: hockey is not, says a hockey Mumhither barries right about

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Speaker 3: the netball crowds. They're always more left leaning. Hither they

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Speaker 3: are feral. Where do you live under a rock? Okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you. I know it's harsh, some harsh truths here

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Speaker 3: on this show. Hey, apparently if you I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: if you sleep too much at night, if you're one

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Speaker 3: of those people who needs to get you know, copious

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Speaker 3: amounts of sleep and whatnot, there is some concern about

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Speaker 3: you because it means that you may actually die earlier

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Speaker 3: than people who just get normal amounts of sleep or

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Speaker 3: people who don't need that much sleep. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to a sleep expert about that, because I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you. I reckon I like a good

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Speaker 3: eight and a half hours at a minimum, and now

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Speaker 3: I'm worried that it's going to kill me.

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Speaker 10: Go through life.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, do you know what you need to do? You

710
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Speaker 3: need to drink some MUCHA If you drink so much,

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Speaker 3: you can sleep as long as you like, because it's

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Speaker 3: going to undo all of the negative health stuff. So

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Speaker 3: don't worry about that. Listen. This text I think sums

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Speaker 3: up my problem with the payWave decision today. Hither the

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Speaker 3: government decision to abolish the surcharges is interesting. However, whenever

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Speaker 3: we pay, we have the choice using payWave or the

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Speaker 3: option of a swipe a swipe on your debit card

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Speaker 3: to not incur a charge. You are right to now

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Speaker 3: assume that the retailer is just going to pass on

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Speaker 3: the cost to everyone. That's the problem, isn't it. At

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Speaker 3: least at the moment, there is transparence where if you

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Speaker 3: go up to pay for you, I don't know, you're sushi,

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Speaker 3: and they say to you or something more significant, and

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Speaker 3: they say to you, you're going to use your credit card.

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Speaker 3: It's going to cost you two point two percent or whatever.

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Speaker 3: You can make the decision, which I do every single time.

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Speaker 3: Put it away, whip out the f postcard, use that instead. Right,

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Speaker 3: I've got the option you can use your credit card

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Speaker 3: if you want to. I don't want to. The problem

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Speaker 3: we've got now is that that that band is there's

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Speaker 3: a ban in place on that. It gets built into

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Speaker 3: the cost. Now I'm paying for you to use your

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Speaker 3: credit card. That really wants mout. I don't like it anyway.

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Speaker 3: Scott Simpson's going to be with us next. Just give

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Speaker 3: you some quick numbers. Do I want to? No, it's

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Speaker 3: just Cinda. No trigger warning, trigger warning. We're going to

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Speaker 3: deal with some numbers about just Cinda in this show.

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Speaker 3: So just prepare yourself mentally because I know it can

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Speaker 3: be a little bit triggering for people. Qu San Cold

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Speaker 1: B Questions, Answers, Thanks Analysis, the Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be afternoon. You can wave goodbye to the payWave

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Speaker 3: surcharge and basically every other surcharge as well. They've just

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Speaker 3: been banned effected from March retailers or May next year.

747
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Speaker 3: Other retailers will no longer be able to pass on

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Speaker 3: the huge merchant fees that banks, credit card companies and

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Speaker 3: f poss providers charge them. Scott Simpson is the Consumer

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Speaker 3: Affairs Minister. Afternoon, Scott, Scott, why are you banning the

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Speaker 3: retailers from being able to pass on this cost but

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Speaker 3: not dealing with the actual cost itself.

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Speaker 5: Well, we are dealing with the actual cost itself. The

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Speaker 5: Commerce Commission made a decision a week or so ago

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Speaker 5: to significantly lower what's referred to as the interchange fees.

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Speaker 5: These are the fees that the credit card companies are

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Speaker 5: permitted to charge. It's a regulated fee. They're dropping that

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Speaker 5: fee very significantly from December this year. What we're planning

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Speaker 5: to do is make.

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Speaker 4: Sure before you move on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just deal with that. How much is the

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Speaker 3: Commerce Commission taking out of that fee that retailers pay.

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Speaker 5: About ninety million dollars a year's out of one hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty out of one hundred.

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Speaker 3: And fifty, it's the total cost is about a billion

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Speaker 3: dollars a year and they're taking ninety out.

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Speaker 5: Well, the surcharge. The Commerce Commission estimates that New Zealanders

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Speaker 5: pay around one hundred and fifty annually in surcharges, so

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Speaker 5: about one hundred and fifty million. So are they're going

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Speaker 5: to drop out ninety million of that?

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Speaker 3: That's not a fair equ what the retailers are paying

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Speaker 3: in merch just an interchange fees, right, which is only

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Speaker 3: a portion of the merchant fees, just an interchange fees

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Speaker 3: is one billion dollars a year and they're taking ninety

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Speaker 3: million dollars out. How on earth a retailer supposed to

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Speaker 3: cope with it when they now cannot afford to it,

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Speaker 3: they can't even afford to recoup it through a surcharge.

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Speaker 5: Well, what we want is to have transparency of pricing,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think it's consumers.

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Speaker 3: You're going to get the opposite, because when you've got

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Speaker 3: a billion dollars almost in costs you can now not

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Speaker 3: recoup through a searcharge, You're just going to build it

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Speaker 3: into your prices, aren't you if you're a smart retailer.

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Speaker 5: Well, that hasn't been the experience in the UK or

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Speaker 5: the EU, where surcharges have been banned for some time.

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Speaker 5: In a competitive world, businesses understand the price competitive nature

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Speaker 5: of the businesses that they operate and the goods and

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Speaker 5: services they provide. So surchargers are annoying their pesky and

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Speaker 5: most of the customers don't actually know whether they're paying

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Speaker 5: the full price or not. When you charge to sewer

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Speaker 5: charge it says one and a half, two and a half,

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Speaker 5: three percent or sometimes more. You don't know whether that

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Speaker 5: is actually a fear recouping of the seer charge or

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Speaker 5: whether it's actually retailer taking an extra margint thing.

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Speaker 3: You can choose not to pay it, so you can say, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put my credit card away, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to pay it now. What you're doing to us

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Speaker 3: is we're all going to pay it because it's going

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Speaker 3: to be built into the cost. So I can't put

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Speaker 3: my credit card away now. Doesn't matter what I use,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to pay it.

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Speaker 5: Well, if a retailer doesn't want to take a payWave,

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Speaker 5: they don't have to. There are other ways of paying

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying, merchant fees.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the payWave though, Scott, and you know this.

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Speaker 3: Merchant fees themselves are extremely expensive. So what you're doing

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Speaker 3: is in order to pretend to help us with the

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Speaker 3: cost of living crisis, you're building more more into our

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Speaker 3: prices that we're paying. You're making it worse.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't accept that for one minute. I think

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Speaker 5: that New Zealanders want to have transparency of the price

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Speaker 5: they see on the shelf being the same price they

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Speaker 5: pay at.

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Speaker 3: The Why did you not deal with the likes of

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Speaker 3: a New Zealand and Ticketmaster and all those guys who

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Speaker 3: are actually charging us egregious amounts who still get to

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Speaker 3: be able to do it because they're not affected by

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Speaker 3: the ban.

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Speaker 5: Well, the ban at the moment includes personal payments, so

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Speaker 5: point of sale payments. We wanted to leave some room

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Speaker 5: for the new fintech companies to find a space to

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Speaker 5: live and thrive. There's a whole range of new technology coming.

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Speaker 3: Not to be pulling my leg, you wanted to leave

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Speaker 3: Ticketmaster to charge us eight dollars every single time so

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Speaker 3: somebody could set up a business.

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Speaker 5: We are looking at that. The initial ban is for

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Speaker 5: in person payments, and what we will do is do

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Speaker 5: some create some legislation before May of next year and

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Speaker 5: keep those options open. So the initial ban is on

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Speaker 5: in person payments only, and we'll look to extend that

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Speaker 5: further beyond that as and when as necessary.

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Speaker 3: Scott, thank you. I appreciate your time. That Scottsson, the

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Speaker 3: Consumer Affairs Minister a letter go where they do.

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Speaker 4: By Allen, Israel.

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Speaker 3: Has a bound to international pressure and is allowing some

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Speaker 3: aid into the Gaza strip. Trump is blaming Hummas for

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Speaker 3: stealing aid from people. Claimeniera is an emergency coordinator at

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Speaker 3: Doctors Without Borders. High Claire Hi. There are the air

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Speaker 3: drops and the pauses to deliver aid enough.

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Speaker 2: No, it is definitely not enough. This is a population

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Speaker 2: that has received no aid coming in safely for months

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Speaker 2: and months now, so whatever is coming in now is

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Speaker 2: vastly inadequate. We need a longer term solution.

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Speaker 3: Ahamas stealing the aid, like the President claims, we.

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Speaker 2: Have absolutely no evidence of that. And while I was

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Speaker 2: there on the ground, all I could see was that

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Speaker 2: medical supplies we're going into the hospitals that we work in,

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Speaker 2: and we were trying to deliver aid to the population.

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Speaker 2: So all of these claims to me are completely baseless.

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Speaker 3: There are photographs that have been taken, or at least

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Speaker 3: one photograph that I've seen, of young men on the

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Speaker 3: aid trucks with weapons. What's going on there?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where these weapons are coming from.

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Speaker 2: But while I was there, we did have some trucks

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Speaker 2: come in with medical supplies. And it's the Israeli authorities

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Speaker 2: who told us to use roads that are very unsafe,

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Speaker 2: and they made the trucks come in at night, and

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Speaker 2: then those trucks were attacked. So to me, it felt

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Speaker 2: like we were walking into a trap.

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Speaker 3: And attacked my home.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know who it was, but we were

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Speaker 2: followed the whole way by an Israeli quad copter, which

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Speaker 2: is an unmanned drone device which can shoot in all

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Speaker 2: directions and it's one of the most alarming and scary

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Speaker 2: pieces of military weapons that they use.

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Speaker 3: And when you say the trucks were attacked, what happened, Well,

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Speaker 3: the trucks.

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Speaker 2: Were moving along in a convoy and I had news

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Speaker 2: from my staff that were driving the trucks that they

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Speaker 2: were being attacked. The drivers fled from the trucks and unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: one of them has lost his eyesight because they were

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Speaker 2: shot at and the glass went direct into his eyes.

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Speaker 2: So after this, I said that we cannot keep receiving

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Speaker 2: trucks coming in this way. If the Israeli authorities insist

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Speaker 2: on it being so unsafe.

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Speaker 3: And then what happened to the aid on the trucks.

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Speaker 2: We eventually received medical supplies into our hospital, but it's

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Speaker 2: not enough.

879
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: And since then I'm confused here, So let me just

880
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: clarify with you. Was it Humas who was attacking your

881
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: trucks or was it the Israelis?

882
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: I have no idea who was attacking our trucks.

883
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: Did anybody sees any of your aid?

884
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 6: No?

885
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: Our aid luckily was left alone because the advantage I

886
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: think is it's medical supplies and it's not food.

887
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: Okay, if it were, because you see this, this, I mean,

888
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 3: the story that you're telling me right now at least

889
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: opens up the possibility that maybe Trump is right, that

890
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 3: that Humas is taking some aid.

891
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no evidence of that. And on the ground,

892
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: the coordination me and in our medical facilities went very well.

893
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: All the challenges that we had and that I had

894
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: were with the Israeli authorities.

895
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Claire, what's the solution here? Do I mean? Does this?

896
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: I mean I realized that even the ceasefire talks apparently

897
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: are hanging off this thing. Who needs to be in

898
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: charge of the aid to make sure everybody gets fit enough.

899
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Well, the NGOs and the UNA able to deliver this

900
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: aid safely. We know what we're doing. We have trucks

901
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: at the border and we're ready to do so. Even

902
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: if there is a temporary ceasefire, it will make things worse.

903
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: So we need a permanent ceasefire and we need for

904
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: this to be happening.

905
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Speaker 3: Now, Claire, thank you for your time. Clem and Era

906
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: Doctors without borders. Right, let's deal with the sleep next.

907
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: Quarter past is a fun little brand killer. Having your

908
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 3: logo look different in every town.

909
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

910
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: Bright orange in one place, burnt pumpkin in the next.

911
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: Does that sound familiar? Well, if your businesses branches all

912
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: over the country, it's really important they are easy to recognize.

913
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: And that's where speedy signs can help you keep things

914
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: tight and looking like you actually talk to each other.

915
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: One call gets you a project manager will handle the

916
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: signage across all of your locations. The same colours, same layout,

917
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: all sorted, whether it's Imbracargo or Fugada. They've got teams

918
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: ready to roll. Nearly thirty locations around New Zealand over

919
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: twenty five years experience in site safe credentials to boots.

920
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: So if you're ready for a nationwide signage glow up,

921
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: call oh eight hundred speedy or head to Speedy Signs

922
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: dot co dot in z. That's Speedy Signs dot co

923
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: dot in z.

924
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: Heather due se alan Ah.

925
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 8: Yeah.

926
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: Look, I'm getting a lot of texts about the AID.

927
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: I think we can all agree. Having the un do

928
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: the AID in Gaza's probably a little problematic given that

929
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 3: last time they were doing it they were infiltrated by Hummas.

930
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 3: You'll just google UNRA and Hummas and you'll find that story.

931
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. Now, this is alarming. After being told

932
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: for how long that we need to get enough sleep,

933
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: it's emerged at getting too much sleep will actually kill

934
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Speaker 3: you early. Dr Alex Bartell is a sleep expert from

935
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: the Sleep Well Clinic and with us. Now, hey Alex, oh,

936
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: good evening. Do you believe this? Does this sound right

937
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 3: to here? That people who sleep more than nine hours

938
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Speaker 3: a night are four percent more likely to have shorter lives.

939
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 21: Yes, and the reasons for that, and this is a

940
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Speaker 21: repeat of a study that's been done a number of

941
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 21: times now that too short sleep, well, we all know

942
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 21: about that that's been around for ages. But too long

943
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 21: sleep sounds a bit wrong, but nearly always we're sleeping

944
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 21: too much time more than nine or is certainly more

945
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 21: than ten hours because of some underlying condition. So in

946
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 21: itself sleep long long sleep isn't causing the illness. It's

947
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 21: often some illness is causing the long sleep, and it

948
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Speaker 21: may be that illness that's resulting in the higher death rate.

949
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 3: Ah okay, so maybe that there's something already wrong requiring

950
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: more sleep. How do you then know, I mean, if

951
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: you are there people alex who simply need to sleep

952
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: eight and a half to nine hours a night.

953
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Speaker 21: Oh, yes, genetically it can be possible. About two percent

954
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 21: of the population are really quite long sleep is sort

955
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 21: of more than nine hours. But you know, when you

956
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Speaker 21: get more than ten hours, there's something wrong, and so

957
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 21: usually the GP will have done something about that, like

958
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 21: tested for thyroid problems or diets. Depression will often cause

959
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 21: people to sleep longer, but of course sleep ap near

960
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 21: is the other one where people get very sleepy and

961
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 21: they need more sleep than usual, but often still feel

962
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 21: tired during the day.

963
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: How do you know, I mean, if you feel like

964
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: you need eight and a half to nine and you

965
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Speaker 3: get it, and then you'll wake up and you're good

966
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: to go and you have a great day, and then

967
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Speaker 3: you do it again. Is that that's okay?

968
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 19: Is it?

969
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 16: That's brilliant?

970
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 21: I mean, yeah, seven eight hours sleep and people function

971
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 21: really well on that generally. But if you're suddenly finding

972
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 21: you're needing much longer sleep, then you really need to

973
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 21: catch up with your GP and it goes through some testing.

974
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 21: And if that's not sufficient and you're particularly if you're

975
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Speaker 21: a snorer, for example, then you need to check for

976
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 21: sleep ap near good stuff.

977
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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you, Alex. Alex Bartel, sleep

978
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: expert from the Sleep Well Clinic. I cannot tell you,

979
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: by the way, how many techts I'm getting from small

980
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: business owners who are so annoyed at the surcharge thing.

981
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: Hither well done to national another attack on small business.

982
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: My merchant rates have ballooned up by an extra fifteen

983
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: thousand a year due to the payWave charges on top

984
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: of what we were paying before. Hither this paywaf thing

985
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: winds me up to sure big business can just push

986
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: about and add a percentage to every price. But I

987
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: run a small plant nursery and we're gonna have to

988
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: absorb it. Heather, thanks for taking this up, taking it

989
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: up on behalf of small business. I cannot believe their

990
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: New Zealand ticket master et cetera won't be included. Club

991
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: has text through a pharmacy's technic. Well, the pharmacy actually

992
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: says it's fine. They don't do it. Lots of people

993
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: very annoyed though, five to twenty one.

994
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen

995
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand.

996
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 4: Let's get connected and use dogs. They'd be hither.

997
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: It's funny the oldest woman in Japan, who was one

998
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen years old, sleeps for two days and

999
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: is a wake for one. I feel like she's got

1000
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: an underlying problem. What do you think her underlying problem

1001
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: is being one hundred and forty one? It's five twenty four. Hey, now,

1002
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm happy to say now we are getting somewhere with

1003
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: road cones. Chris Bishop, in his capacity as the Minister

1004
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: of Transport, has now threatened to cut off funding to

1005
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: councils unless they start cutting the cones by using the

1006
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: new rules. Now, how it works is that central government

1007
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: does the big roads right, so NZTA does all the

1008
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: big roads and then councils do the local roads. Now,

1009
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: the government really recently changed the code of practice for

1010
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: road cones and all of that stuff, right, like all

1011
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: the stuff that you need when you're doing road maintenance.

1012
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: They change the code of practice for it. NZTA started

1013
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: using this new code of practice and therefore hopefully using

1014
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: fewer cones. But not all councils did this. They didn't

1015
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: adopt the new code of practice. I don't know why

1016
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: they were using the old one. Don't know why. Is

1017
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: it laziness, is it bloody mindedness, is it a love

1018
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: of excessive health and safety? Whatever, they're still using the

1019
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: old one. The old one, by the way, is so prescriptive.

1020
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: It tells the roading guys how many reflective markers they

1021
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 3: have to use in a ten meter stretch. It can't

1022
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: be left to the roading guys just to use their

1023
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: common sense when they look at the piece of road

1024
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: and go, well, put one here, put when they put

1025
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: one no in a in a ten meter stretch, they've

1026
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: got to use this many according to the rules. And

1027
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: it's not just the road markers. It's prescriptive for everything.

1028
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: So you can imagine how much costs that's building in now.

1029
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: As Chris Bishop has said to them, this is to

1030
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: the councils, you use the new rules or you don't

1031
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: get the money. And given that many councils actually go

1032
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty with central government on roading projects, it's

1033
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: probably going to work because nothing speaks like a bit

1034
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: of money being withheld.

1035
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 6: Now.

1036
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: The caveat here, obviously is that a numpty will always

1037
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: find a way to interpret the rules to include ten

1038
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: thousand more cones than is necessary. But at least I

1039
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: feel like we are getting somewhere because that road code

1040
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: tip line that was announced a few months ago, we've

1041
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: realized that is just a charade. It can't reduce road cones.

1042
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: If the rules require the road cones, you can report

1043
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: it all you like. But if they meet the rules,

1044
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: then they meet the rules. So the only way to

1045
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: change things is to change the rules threaten money, and

1046
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: that seems more likely to affect change. I know a

1047
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: lot of people are gonnay, what do you go banging

1048
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: on about road cones. Road cones are important because road

1049
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: cones are like public servants. You need a certain number

1050
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: and then everything above that is just a waste of money.

1051
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: And listen. If you cannot cut down on something inanimate

1052
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: without a family to feed, like a road cone. If

1053
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: you can't cut down on the cost of road cones,

1054
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: then you're never going to be able to cut any

1055
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: costs at all ever.

1056
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: Du for see Ellens here.

1057
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: The small business owner here. Every single cent of the

1058
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: fees which can no longer be on charge will be

1059
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: added to the retail price at the till no exceptions,

1060
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: starting the same day the surchargers stop.

1061
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 8: So there you go.

1062
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: Talk to Nicola Willis about that. She's with us after

1063
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: six o'clock. I am very happy to report to you

1064
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: that gentle parenting is out, Thank the Lord. Oh you

1065
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about. If you've got kids under

1066
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: the age of eighteen, you've tried that thing avenue, you've

1067
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: gone love. Why are you doing that? Let's tell me

1068
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: about the big feeling that you're feeling. Anyway, we'll get

1069
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 3: something new is in. It's called fatho wait for it.

1070
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you about that. What's this one? Ants

1071
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: can't remember? Flame Trees by Cold Chisel number hmm seven,

1072
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: Enjoy it.

1073
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first,

1074
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: it's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's

1075
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

1076
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 22: They'd be.

1077
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: Powder finger my happiness coming in at six. I'm going

1078
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: to say debatable. I mean, I think you would put

1079
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: electric blue before before the song, wouldn't you? But then

1080
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: there's probably got more to do if it's cut through anyway, listen.

1081
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: Brad Olson's going to be with us in an hour.

1082
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: I saw him on the news the other night, maybe

1083
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: last night, holding up a block of butter and telling

1084
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: me how expensive it was in Beijing. So he must

1085
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: be in China. So we'll catch up with him shortly.

1086
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: Talk to him about the job numbers we've seen come

1087
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: through huddles standing by right now. It's twenty four away

1088
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: from six now. Small retailers are pushing back at the

1089
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: government's move to bang credit card surcharges from next year.

1090
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: The cor MOUs Minister Scott Simpson told us he's doing

1091
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: a good thing.

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Speaker 5: What we want is to have transparency of pricing. A

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Speaker 5: retailer doesn't want to take a payWave, they don't have to.

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Speaker 5: There are other ways of pay.

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Speaker 3: And Bansell is the chair of the Dairy and Business

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Speaker 3: Owners Group and with us high An Kit.

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Speaker 20: Well, Hi Heather, thanks for me having me on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you like this idea of banning the search charges?

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Speaker 20: Look, Rita, the retailers are very concerned by the dis

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Speaker 20: proposed changes as the banks can still charge us whatever

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Speaker 20: the transaction fees they like, or we can't pass it on,

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Speaker 20: so that seems unfair to us.

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Speaker 3: How much do you get charged in your merchant fees

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Speaker 3: every year?

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Speaker 20: Well, on our average small retail is a payer somewhere

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Speaker 20: around between seven and ten grand a year on depending

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Speaker 20: on which banks they're with.

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Speaker 3: And is it going to get past is it just

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Speaker 3: going to simply be built into the prices that we pay? Now,

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Speaker 3: what are you going to do? Are you going to

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Speaker 3: absorb it?

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Speaker 20: Absolutely no. It has to be passed on to the

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Speaker 20: consumers and the problem is we have to do it

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Speaker 20: across the board, so even if someone with paying with

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Speaker 20: cash will still one way or another will pay for

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Speaker 20: these charges.

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Speaker 3: Did you did you warn the government before they did

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Speaker 3: this that that would be the likely impact?

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Speaker 20: We like, we were taken by surpri We had no

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Speaker 20: idea that this is coming. So but we will be

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Speaker 20: definitely working with our minister and we will be raising

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Speaker 20: these issues with him.

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Speaker 3: Okay and Kit, thanks very much, really appreciate it. An

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Speaker 3: Kit ban Sel, Dairy and Business Owners Group chairperson, twenty

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Speaker 3: two away from six the Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm the huddle with me this evening, we have Tris

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Speaker 3: Sharson of Sherston Willis pr and in studio with us

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Speaker 3: Stuart Nash, former Labor Police Minister. Hello you too, Hallo.

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Speaker 3: I love that that's what they've labeled you, former Labor

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00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: Police minister instead of your current job. Anyway, it's nice

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Speaker 3: to have you here, Stu, and it's obviously nice to

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Speaker 3: have you here Tris. Trish, do you think the searcharge

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Speaker 3: ban is a good move.

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Speaker 23: I think the government is banking on this being good

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00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 23: retail politics. Excuse the pun. There's a lot of grumpiness

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Speaker 23: amongst people, and I know I'm one of them because

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Speaker 23: I love to use payWave, but the minute I go

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Speaker 23: and use payWave, there's an extra surcharge put on. I

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Speaker 23: think one of the problems for the government is, and

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Speaker 23: you hear it from these small businesses coming in tonight,

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Speaker 23: that they are increasingly seen as a government that's more

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Speaker 23: about consumers than for business, and they might think that's

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Speaker 23: a good thing, but from in terms of their core

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00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 23: support base, a national government cannot afford to lose the

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Speaker 23: business audience, big or small.

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Speaker 3: So do you think it's a political miscalculation.

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Speaker 23: I think they think they're on the right side of

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Speaker 23: the calculation. And I have to say I do think

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Speaker 23: that anything a surcharge. When I go and there's anything

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Speaker 23: over one or two percent, I think actually this is

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Speaker 23: just building in.

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Speaker 3: An additional reverge revenue stream in margin. Are you still

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Speaker 3: cross about the ticketmaster in the air New Zealand because

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Speaker 3: they can keep on doing it they're unaffected by the band.

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Speaker 3: But isn't that the thing?

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Speaker 23: As a consumer, there is nothing worse than seeing here's

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00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 23: the price, here's the price, and then you get to

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Speaker 23: the end and the price has gone up by ten

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Speaker 23: twenty thirty dollars because of all these extra charges. I

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Speaker 23: think that's really poor and I agree with you that

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Speaker 23: needs to be addressed as well.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is good to you. I don't

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Speaker 3: think this is going to impress anybody.

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Speaker 7: It's gone after the wrong people. They should be going

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Speaker 7: after the banks. Yes, banks are the guys that put

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Speaker 7: the surcharge for the retailers got to pay. When I

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Speaker 7: was mister small business, which is a nothing, we did.

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Speaker 7: We had a good look at this and you know

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Speaker 7: we're paying about twice as much as they do in Australia,

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Speaker 7: about three times as much as they do in the UK.

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Speaker 7: Shane Jones, if he was doing this, he would go

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Speaker 7: after the banks. Now that is good politics, not going

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Speaker 7: after the retailers, but the guys that are making.

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Speaker 3: Good politics though Stu. But it is the actual problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a billion dollars in costs every year.

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Speaker 3: That's just in the interchange fee, right, There'll be more

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Speaker 3: on top of that in the total merchant fee. So

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Speaker 3: why not do it? This feels to me like a rush.

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Speaker 7: Job, an absolute rush job, and I completely agree with Trish.

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Speaker 7: You know, this has got to be seen as as

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Speaker 7: a party. That is business for me. You know, this

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Speaker 7: was lux and trusts me Iran in New Zealan. I'm

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Speaker 7: doing He doesn't know what he's doing at all, but

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Speaker 7: going after retailers. Man, at this point in the economic cycle,

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Speaker 7: wrong play.

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Speaker 3: After the point I know that you've you know, people

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Speaker 3: who are in government because you're sucking up that heart

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Speaker 3: just New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: First, at the.

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Speaker 3: Moment I had heard, I had heard that this is

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Speaker 3: unfortunately a government that is lurching from week to week

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Speaker 3: coming up with announcements and the smacks of that. Is

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Speaker 3: that what you're hearing?

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Speaker 7: You know, I've said this time and time again. I

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Speaker 7: think there is a level of ineptitude on the ninth

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Speaker 7: floor for listeners who don't know that's the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 7: office that we haven't seen in a long long time.

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Speaker 3: Well, there hasn't been that long since.

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Speaker 20: Just in it.

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Speaker 6: No, I.

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Speaker 7: Come on, Well, if you think we would have seen

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Speaker 7: this under Wayne Eagleson and John Key or Heather Simpson

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Speaker 7: and hell Hope and how this is really this is

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Speaker 7: back to Tricia's point, this is just bad politics if

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Speaker 7: nothing else. At a point in time when people are

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Speaker 7: beginning to think, Okay, yeah, who will I vote for?

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Speaker 7: Views are getting formed, political decisions are being made, and

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Speaker 7: this sort of thing is just noise that I don't

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Speaker 7: think the government.

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Speaker 23: Needs to go near three quick points. Number one, Let's

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Speaker 23: remember someone has to pay for the system. Someone has

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Speaker 23: to pay for the system that hooks all of this up.

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Speaker 23: So the government has had a look at interchange fees

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Speaker 23: as well, and they're going up to the front end.

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Speaker 23: And this is similar to what's happened in Australia. Number two,

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Speaker 23: just on a higher level around the present government and

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Speaker 23: the previous I've got two two main issues. Number one,

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Speaker 23: we are becoming more and more short termism and reactionary.

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Speaker 23: And number two what we're seeing, And I would argue

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Speaker 23: this is one of those announcements. Today we are seeing

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Speaker 23: the generation of politicians who were helicopter parented are now

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Speaker 23: in charge of the country. Everyone is being helicopter parented.

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Speaker 23: No one can lose every you know, all our battles

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Speaker 23: are forteen or you can't be paying too much while

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Speaker 23: we go up the steps. Yeah, exactly, And I think

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Speaker 23: if I lift up to that higher level, that is

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Speaker 23: as a voter. That's my biggest concern with governments, the

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Speaker 23: previous one, your mates Stee, and also this current government.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but let's get back to the point. Go after

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Speaker 7: the banks. The banks are making literally billions of dollars

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Speaker 7: off bloody Kiwis, and this is another way they're wraughting

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Speaker 7: us completely and utterly. But the government's going after the retailers.

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Speaker 7: Bad politics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. It's another example of the government's

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Speaker 3: going after the Kiwis on this one instead of the

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Speaker 3: Aussie banks. Right, we'll take a break, come back to

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Speaker 3: these two and just to take it's eighteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand southebyst International Realty the

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Speaker 1: ones for unmassed results.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the huddle Stewart, Nash and Trisherson

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Speaker 3: ste What do you make of the prime minister getting

1243
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: booed at.

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Speaker 7: The netball Look, no matter what you think of the guy,

1245
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 7: that's just bad for When did Kiwi start booing politicians

1246
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 7: and mean, for goodness sake the guy. My view on

1247
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 7: this is I don't necessarily like who the Prime Minister

1248
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 7: is at times, but you've got to respect the position.

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Speaker 7: The guy's there, he's representing Zell and he's working really,

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Speaker 7: really hard. Like I said, it doesn't matter we are

1251
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 7: like or not, but booing a prime minister, come on, Keywis,

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00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 7: you can do better than that.

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Speaker 3: I agree. Barry Soper reckons that netball crowds are just

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Speaker 3: left and working class and it's to be expected.

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Speaker 10: I heard I heard Barry.

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Speaker 23: Game and I thought we need to book Barrier ticket

1257
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 23: to the next netball game and send her off with

1258
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 23: the big sign hello, I'm Barry so so. But the

1259
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 23: crowd can identify a couple of things on this. I

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00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 23: agree with Stu. I think this is really performed and

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Speaker 23: if you and I love the way the MC at

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 23: that event tried to bring it back to the sport

1263
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 23: and say hey, hey guys, come on, this is you know,

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Speaker 23: it's about the game. A couple of things. Though, I

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Speaker 23: think this will be tough for the Nats at the

1266
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Speaker 23: stage in the electoral cycle. I think it reflects the

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 23: mood music that is around at the moment people are feeling,

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Speaker 23: and it's I don't think at the moment it's not

1269
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 23: just people not liking politicians. They're feeling so much in

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00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 23: their back pocket that they really are feeling pissed off

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Speaker 23: about it. So that's fair enough. The other thing to

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00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 23: think about in this, I'd say this to you, Barry Soper,

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00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 23: if you're listening at home, the netball crowd. Isn't the

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00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 23: Wellington protest fringe to me? This is Middle New Zealand

1275
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 23: mums in that big bell curve of voters that national needs.

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00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: Yes, they are.

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Speaker 23: Women taking their girls predominantly to these games. And there

1278
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 23: is a problem for National which they already know about

1279
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 23: about the women's vote. So you know, you can put

1280
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 23: aside the noise, but they need to hear the signal.

1281
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: And if you are getting booed by women in west Auckland,

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: you've got a problem, haven't you.

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Speaker 7: You've got to mess a problem. The Nats have always

1284
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 7: had a problem, and Luxon in particulars have got a

1285
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 7: problem with the women vote. I don't know what they

1286
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 7: do about that. Whatever they do isn't working at this

1287
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 7: point in time. But Tricius, right, there's a general there's

1288
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 7: a general dissatisfaction with politicians right. There is no hero

1289
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 7: leader out there or even waiting in the wings. Luxon

1290
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 7: is not John Key, Hipkins is not just Cinda when

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Speaker 7: she was really popular. There's no Helen Clark there. There's

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Speaker 7: no one who you can identify in any party and

1293
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 7: say that is a future prime minister. Where we did

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00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 7: with John Key, we kind of did with Jacinda. No

1295
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 7: one there so becoming more and more disenfranchised, which just

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Speaker 7: opens the you know, opens the way for others potentially.

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 23: Well, and think about John I didn't know you should

1298
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 23: ask with short here, but you know, remember think about

1299
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 23: John Key. He was mobbed wherever he went, when he

1300
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 23: was revered wherever he went, and you know, Jacinda had

1301
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 23: quite a bit of that at the start. So I

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Speaker 23: think this is pretty unusual.

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Speaker 3: I think it's unusual too. I mean, it is dead

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Speaker 3: of winter and you know, worst recession in maybe thirty

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Speaker 3: to fifty years, but it's still.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's a sign for times, right.

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Speaker 23: But also that's a great point to remember, Heather, this

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Speaker 23: is the worst recession for thirty years, and I think

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 23: politicians tend to gloss over that, and there's a lot

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Speaker 23: of talk about it's all going well and there are

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Speaker 23: these green shoots, but the reality is most New Zealanders

1312
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 23: have seen some green shoots, but now the frostbitten.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but let's be aware. Let's not make excuses for

1314
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 7: what I consider to be really bad behavior. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 7: just a boy from the regions, a little bit out

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Speaker 7: of touch, but you know, you don't boom ministers at

1317
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 7: sports games like this if you don't like them. Just

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Speaker 7: keep quiet.

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Speaker 3: For God's say, Yep, I think you bang on now,

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: did either of you guys? I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 3: gentle parenting in a minute, did either of you guys

1322
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: do the gentle parenting with the kids. What on earth

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: is that gentle parenting? The you go, oh, Eggie, you

1324
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: had money in the face or you must be having

1325
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: a really big emotion. Would you like to talk to

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Speaker 3: me about Absolutely not. I mean that's the first time.

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Speaker 7: With guys.

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Speaker 23: The first rule with children is never negotiate with a terrorist.

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Speaker 23: And from the minute that child appears in the world,

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Speaker 23: they need to know who is in charge.

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Speaker 7: Look, it's a parent's job to teach them respect, right you. Look,

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Speaker 7: I've got four kids. Two of them are one, twenty three,

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Speaker 7: one twenty one. They are my friends. I've got a

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Speaker 7: thirteen year old and eleven year old. I am their father.

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Speaker 7: And there's a completely different relationship between the younger ones

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Speaker 7: and the old ones, as it should be. And they

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 7: more from you know, they more from young ones that

1338
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 7: you need to teach about life into people who can

1339
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 7: live their own life and then they become friends. This

1340
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 7: whole bullshit that you're talking about here is no place.

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 23: Can I give you an old fashioned view on what

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01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 23: the way to really help kids know how to be

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01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 23: a great human being. If parents focus on teaching children

1344
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 23: how to sit at a dinner table and eat what's

1345
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 23: put in front of them and be grateful for it

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 23: and interact with everyone around the table. That is pretty

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 23: much every life lesson you will need going forward. So

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Speaker 23: in our house it was always dinner time was a

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 23: real thing. You have to engage, you have to have

1350
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 23: great chat, and you have to whatever's put on your head.

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: Do you have great chat? Would you be like.

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01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 6: So what?

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01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 7: You can't have your cell phone and be watching television

1354
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 7: at the same.

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01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 23: Time, Absolutely cannot.

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 7: You need to come out to airplace. I completely agree

1357
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 7: manners engaging, no cell phones, no TV. It's a time

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01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 7: when the family gathers hundred pcent agree, go back to

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 7: that we halfway.

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Speaker 3: I saw a parent recently.

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Speaker 7: I loved it.

1362
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 23: This was in the eyele of the supermarket and he

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 23: had a little girl, absolutely gorgeous, is probably about three

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01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 23: or four. She knew she had dad, absolutely on the

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 23: ropes and she reaches out and takes it, snatches something

1366
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 23: off the candy bar. You could see him. He actually

1367
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 23: went pale because he knew the minute he approached her

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01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 23: she was going to.

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01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: Just he was tiptoeing around her little emotions.

1370
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Speaker 23: She was going to take the alert level from amber

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Speaker 23: to read, which is exactly what she did.

1372
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Speaker 8: And so do you know what he did?

1373
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Speaker 3: He went, Oh, we'll just have it.

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01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 7: You know who that Knowing your audience, I doubt there's

1375
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 7: anyone out there here to agree with this.

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01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 20: What do you call it?

1377
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 7: Waite parenting?

1378
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 10: Would you care?

1379
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,959
Speaker 7: The vast majority understand that parents are there for a reason.

1380
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 7: They're they're there to teach their kids about right and wrong.

1381
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 7: Sometimes I don't get it right, but more often not

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 7: they do.

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01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: Gentle I think you're speaking like a man from Hawk's Bay.

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01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: I can hang out in where she does.

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Speaker 23: Here's a little plug for my kids, which were you know,

1386
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 23: gray Linn grown up kids. They are absolutely top human beings.

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Speaker 23: They are great that they were not gentle because they

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 23: were certainly not gentle parented.

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Speaker 3: Look, I've got to be honest. I did not expect

1390
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 3: that I would just throw that out to you and

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Speaker 3: you just go.

1392
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 7: For five minutes, Well, you're going to make sure you

1393
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 7: don't gentle parents. I can't imagine bears being a gentle parent.

1394
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 23: Oh no, no, Well, and if we keep gentle parenting kids,

1395
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 23: we're going to end up with more governments like we've

1396
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 23: just been complaining.

1397
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: About exactly anyway, I'm going to talk about it in

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 3: the guys. It's lovely to have the pair of you

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01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 3: in studio. Thank you so much, Stu Nash and Treshareson.

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Speaker 3: It's eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper se Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Ard Radio powered by News Talks that Be.

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Speaker 3: Or I almost forgot. I've got to run you through this.

1404
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 3: Guess how many public servants we cut since the election.

1405
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: Remember how we were being told we're going to cut

1406
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 3: all these public servants and David Sema was saying, you know,

1407
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: like fifteen thousand. You should be expecting fifteen thousand. Do

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01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,479
Speaker 3: you know how many we've cut since the election? None,

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01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: by the looks of things, maybe maybe added one hundred

1410
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: and twenty one now to be fair, Okay, it depends

1411
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: on where you measure the public servants from the least generous.

1412
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 3: The least generous measure is that we've added one hundred

1413
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 3: and twenty one. Actually, the most generous measure is that

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01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 3: we've cut maybe nine hundred and thirty four. But out

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01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: of out of sixty three thousand odd public servants, that's

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01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: not a lot, especially when twenty seventeen there were only

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: there were forty eight thousand, and we've jumped up to

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01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 3: sixty three thousand. I feel like we need to slash

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01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 3: and burn that stuff anyway, just another case of all talk,

1420
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 3: no delivery. We'll have a chat to Nikola Willis about

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01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: that when she's with us. Now. On the gentle parenting.

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Speaker 3: The reason I've raised this is because there is a

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Speaker 3: report in the Wall Street Journal that gentle parenting is

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01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 3: now officially out and FAFO is in, and FAFO is

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 3: f around and find out as in, yeah, do that,

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: do that, and find out what the consequences are, and

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01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: they reckon that. What's going on is an increasing number

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01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 3: of parents additching the softer approach to child rearing and

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 3: taking this harder line of outferling the kids feral. For example,

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01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: Carla Dylan tried lots of ways to discipline. It starts

1431
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: like this, the story to discipline her rambunctious thirteen year old,

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01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: including making him write the same contrite sentence one hundred

1433
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 3: times when he sprayed her with a water gun at

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01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: a campground after she had asked him not to. She

1435
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: only saw one option. She picked him up and threw

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01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 3: him in the pond. Clothes and all that is FAFO

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 3: in action, and I love it. I love it.

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 4: I do this.

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 12: Do you do this?

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01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 8: I do this, I say.

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01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 3: I'll say to the little guy, I say, Eggy, if

1442
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: you break that toy that you're about to break out,

1443
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: see mummy can see you're about to break that toy.

1444
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 3: You break that toy, why don't you find out what

1445
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 3: happens to your toy? Because you know what happens to

1446
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 3: your toy. I picked that toy up and I throw

1447
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: it in the bin. I'm not going to fix it.

1448
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 3: And then he breaks it. Then I throw it in

1449
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: the bin and I go too bad, and there's no

1450
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: coming back. There's no there's no amount of tears that

1451
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: you can possibly cry that gets that out of the bin.

1452
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: Because you've warned them about the consequences, you have to

1453
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: follow through. Apparently the feeling is gentle parenting, which is

1454
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: the one where I was explaining before, where they hit

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: you in the face and you go, oh, you had

1456
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 3: a big feeling. Why did you hit mommy in the face. Oh,

1457
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 3: dear God alive. Apparently that has led to all of

1458
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: the problems that we've got with gen Z. They think

1459
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: gen Z gen Z struggle in the workplace relationships, and

1460
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: they think that's because parents never told them no, but

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: just gave them the chocolate bar in the aisle of

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: the supermarket. They suffer from depression and anxiety, and they

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: think that's because parents hovered over them at the playground

1464
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: and went and Emma, can you please give for Cindia go?

1465
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 3: Can you give Cyndy goa nos, Emmy, you had lots

1466
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 3: of guys on the seathol can you give Cyndia go?

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01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 3: So all of that stuff you think you're doing for

1468
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 3: your kids is good, really bad anyway?

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Speaker 12: So there you go.

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: If you're like me, going, oh, do I need to

1471
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: go hard? Do I need to just stop this nonsense? Yes,

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: you need to stop this nonsense. Just give them some

1473
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 3: consequences and throw them in the pond if you have

1474
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 3: to just make sure that they can swim. You don't

1475
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: want us to end in death. Okay, here we go.

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01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: Number five, low point, low point. I loved this once,

1477
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: but jeez, you hear it on all of the spark

1478
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 3: you'd hold on the phone lines. Hear it everywhere, don't you. Anyway,

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: it's number five in the list. Nikola willis next.

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 4: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: The business hour we've handed due for Sea Alp and

1482
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 4: Talks at b.

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01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. We've got to

1485
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: drop off in jobs available. Brad Olson on that. We've

1486
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: got Spark shaking up its line up. Shane Soley on

1487
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: that and Gavin Gray does the UK for US right

1488
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: now at seven past six and with US as Nichola

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Speaker 3: Willis the Finance Minister evening Nikola.

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01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 8: Good evening here the research for US. I have been

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 8: doing a bit of detective work. You'll recall you accuse

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 8: me of being the MP in Jacinda's book who outrageously

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 8: heckled her, and I've had it confirmed that it was

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 8: in fact Amy Adams. She has confirmed that herself and

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 8: I think it's fair to say she doesn't regret it

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01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 8: at all. The only thing that she regrets is the

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Speaker 8: fact that she was described as having a private school voice.

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Speaker 8: She's very proud of having attended a large public co

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Speaker 8: ed school.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, So, so Amy said, it's okay for you

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01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 3: to out.

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01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 8: Her absolutely, I said, wow, I think Heather would like

1503
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 8: to know this. Are you okay with me sharing with

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 8: the public and she said, No, I'm not ashamed at all.

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 8: In fact, I think heckling someone on your first term

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01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 8: is not to be ashamed of.

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Speaker 3: No, totally. And I mean in the end, heckling j

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 3: Cinda is actually about it of honor.

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01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 10: But what do you think?

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 8: That was the exact phrase she used.

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: Amy is nothing if not hard as nails to this day.

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 3: What do you think about her act? I mean you're

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01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 3: not a good judge because you don't think that you've

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 3: got a private school accent. I think you do well.

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01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 8: I think it's important in a job where you publicly

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 8: are communicating that you make yourself well understood and you

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 8: enunciate your words well. But then I also recall John

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Speaker 8: Key was a brilliant Prime minister and man, oh man,

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Speaker 8: did he mash his words from time?

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Speaker 3: He made a lot of them up, didn't he? He

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Speaker 3: really did?

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for doing that, because if there's nothing, I

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: love a fact and I love clarifying the fact. And

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Speaker 3: I shall write that in the book that one Amy Adams. Now,

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Speaker 3: what is going on with the surcharge band? Because I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what. I'm getting a lot of texts from

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01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: small business owners who are pretty upset about it.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, there's two things. First, last week, the Commerce

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 8: Commission came out with a ruling that said that they're

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Speaker 8: going to regulate down the charges that retailers have to

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01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 8: pay merchants. So these are the interchange fees to MasterCard

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 8: and Visa. So that is worth about ninety million dollars

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01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 8: worth of savings to retailers. It averages about five hundred

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 8: dollars a week for a small business, so very significant.

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Speaker 8: Then the second thing becomes, how do you make sure

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Speaker 8: that that overall reduction and cost is actually passed through

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Speaker 8: to the shopper and they're not just charged surcharges that

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 8: no longer reflect the actual cost to retailers. So rather

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 8: than coming up with a complicated formula, we've just said, look,

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Speaker 8: no more charges like that for MasterCard and Visa. And

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Speaker 8: if retailers do think they still have some costs, then

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 8: they need to reflect those in the same way they

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 8: do the cost of electricity. It's the cost of rent,

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 8: the cost of rates, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So the charges that we're talking about in total, the

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Speaker 3: merchant fees, how much do you reckon retailers a getting

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Speaker 3: charged in merchant fees every year?

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't know that, and to the extent that

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01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 8: I would, it's commercially sensitive.

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Speaker 3: It's billions overall. It's billions in billions right because the

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Speaker 3: interchange fee, which is just a component, is one billion,

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: so it's multiple billions. So what do you think, Nicley,

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Speaker 3: you know how this works. What do you think is

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Speaker 3: going to happen? The retailers can't pass it on to

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Speaker 3: us now transparently in a search charge. They're going to

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01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 3: build it into their prices. We're all going to pay

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01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 3: this now, aren't we.

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Speaker 8: Well I would reverse it and say, actually, it is

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Speaker 8: now going to be transparent because instead of it giving

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Speaker 8: you a little spike when you get to the counter

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Speaker 8: and you went factoring that in when.

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Speaker 3: You don't have the power you wanted to buy them

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Speaker 3: cost card.

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Speaker 8: Well, not everyone has that choice, and it's actually a bit.

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Speaker 3: Of a costcard that has a credit card.

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Speaker 8: Well, there are a range of different rates that are

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Speaker 8: charged from store to store, and I would love to

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Speaker 8: meet the New Zealander who's never got sticker shock when

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 8: they went to pay and ended up with a big

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Speaker 8: surcharge when they did that. This is about transparent fear pricing.

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Speaker 8: So the price that you see on the tag as.

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Speaker 3: The program you pay. If it truly is, then why

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Speaker 3: didn't you guys deal to Air New Zealand and ticket Master,

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: who are frankly the most egregious.

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Speaker 8: Well are you talking about online payment?

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Speaker 3: So when you go and book yourself? Yeah, I tried

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Speaker 3: today to see what is the New Zealand charging if

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Speaker 3: I book a couple of flights and it was a

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Speaker 3: six dollar fee. Laura the producer went to go look

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 3: at the banks. He aren't. She got charged eight dollars

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 3: by ticket Master almost she didn't go through with it

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 3: in the end because of that. She was going to

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 3: get charged eight dollars by ticket Master. So why didn't

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Speaker 3: you guys sort that out?

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 8: I understand that the fees for that that retailers pay

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Speaker 8: or sellers of services in this Casey and New Zealand

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Speaker 8: are a lot higher because it's a much more complicated system,

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 8: because they need to be able to do refunds, they

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 8: need to protect against fraud, online scams and the like.

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Speaker 8: So there is a genuinely much higher cost that they

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01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,520
Speaker 8: have to bear for those online transactions.

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Speaker 3: You know that and show you guys that stuff.

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Speaker 8: Well that that was reflected in the commerce comicular decisions

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Speaker 8: last week.

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Speaker 3: But if you force a dairy to absorb all of

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Speaker 3: those merchant fees, and why can't you force you know,

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Speaker 3: ticket mask, which is a global company, to absorb the

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Speaker 3: handling fee.

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Speaker 8: Well, a couple of things there. First, it's because it

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 8: is genuinely a lot more expensive for them to do

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 8: those online transactions. The second thing is we remain quite

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01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 8: hopeful that fintech companies will be coming up with better

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01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 8: solutions in that online space and there's now going to

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01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 8: be room for them to compete there.

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Speaker 3: Hey listen, Okay, So we have got some debate in

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: the numbers at the moment about how many public servants

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Speaker 3: you've actually managed to cut since coming into government.

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Speaker 20: What is it?

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01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 3: Is it added one hundred and twenty one or is

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: it cut nine hundred and thirty four?

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Speaker 8: A cut about two thousand la three?

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Speaker 3: Serious?

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Speaker 8: Another I saw, No.

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Speaker 3: That's only from the peak. That's the peak that you

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01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 3: reached when you guys were in there. If you go

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01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 3: from September just before the election, which is about sixty

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: four thousand, you've only managed to cut nine hundred and

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 3: thirty four. Why what's going on?

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 23: Well?

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Speaker 8: Two things. The first is that this is the first

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01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 8: year since twenty six that the number of policy, clerical

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01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 8: and admin staff has actually dropped, so we're very much

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01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 8: focused on those roles. At the same time, the number

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 8: of people hired by Corrections to lock up criminals has increased.

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Speaker 3: By how many?

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Speaker 8: By hundreds?

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01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: How many?

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Speaker 8: By hundreds? Hundreds? Well, I'm advised that there are six

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 8: hundred and forty five more inspectors and regulators, that there

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 8: are hundreds more working in our contact centers, around seven

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 8: hundred and seventy seven, So that's direct service delivery to

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Speaker 8: New Zealanders. So what you're seeing is those numbers are

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Speaker 8: increasing to make sure that we're delivering good public services

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Speaker 8: to people. The same time, we have made actual cuts

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 8: to those back office roles as we said we would.

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Speaker 8: And at the same time, either let's not forget the

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01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 8: last government was spending hundreds of millions on consultants as

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 8: well as having all of those policy advisors, and we

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 8: have reduced that bill significantly. In fact, we've ever shot

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 8: our own target.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a government that promised cuts

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: off maybe as many as fifteen thousand public servants. Can

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 3: you see why people might be a bit disappointed?

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01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 8: Well, I certainly never made that promise. But you know,

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 8: I am kind of amused on one level, which is

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01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 8: that you get labor out there saying that I've cut

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 8: thousands and thousands of public servants, which just sort of

1650
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 8: makes you think, well, if they get away with that

1651
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 8: line and it's repeated at infinite and what else are

1652
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 8: they telling you that mightily is exaggerated. At the same time,

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 8: what we are doing is focusing that we're hiring more police,

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01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 8: We're hiring more teachers, more corrections officers, all of those

1655
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 8: frontline roles, as we said we would. But at the

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01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 8: same time, as I said, first time since twenty sixteen

1657
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 8: that a government has reduced the number of policy advisors, must.

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Speaker 3: Strikes me that this is the problem that you guys

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01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 3: have got, And this is becoming very much a pattern,

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 3: right that you go so hard on the rhetoric and

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01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 3: then cop all of the blowback for it, and then

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01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 3: in fact nothing really changes. So you're wearing all of

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01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: the stuff for not changing anything, and you're disappointing the

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 3: people who think you're charging things, and then you diappointing

1665
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 3: the people when they find out they haven't changed.

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01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 8: You haven't changed, well from our perspective sitting there and

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 8: looking at budgets. It's changed pretty fundamentally because the last

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 8: government every budget was having to fork out hundreds of

1669
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 8: millions of dollars more for a ballooning public sector. We

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01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 8: have started from a very different position. We started by

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01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 8: reducing its spend and then each budget, rather than them

1672
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 8: coming to us with all of their ideas, they only

1673
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 8: even get invited into the budget process at our requests.

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 8: So it's a very different environment.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: But you know, you might be impressed, but it's really

1677
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 3: hard to be impressed on the other side of the

1678
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 3: say like this is incredibly disappointing. I think there's a

1679
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 3: lot of disappointment over and over again.

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01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 8: Well, we have to make sure that we have the

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01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 8: resources in place to deliver our jobs, deliver our services, deliver,

1682
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 8: deliver to New Zealanders, and we're ensuring that we do

1683
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 8: while also continuing to put the hammer down, put the

1684
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 8: pressure down on those back officels really quickly.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper Reckins, You've got the big supermarket announcement in

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 3: about a couple of weeks, is.

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Speaker 8: That right, Well, the Prime Minister is confirmed, we'll be

1688
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 8: making an announcement this quarter, so that this quarter hens

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Speaker 8: at the end of August.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so six weeks all right, hate well five,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Nicole. I appreciated this. Nichola willis

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Speaker 3: the Finance minister. Sixteen past.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper Cell and Drive Full show podcast

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

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Speaker 17: Heather.

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Speaker 3: Where a small business b n Z used to handle

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01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 3: our merchant fees, they no longer do this. We now

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: use wind Cave and what was a few hundred dollars

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 3: per month is now over ten thousand dollars. That's from

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 3: Stephen Heather. This government has full merchant fees onto small

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 3: businesses and allowed Visa Mastercar to set any rate they want.

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 3: From a center right voter, I'm done with this government.

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: Here the get out of my life government. I will

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 3: never pay. I never pay the surcharge ever, but now

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01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 3: I will without wanting to cheers for nothing. Yeah, I

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01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't know, do you know what? It's

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01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 3: one of those things though where it may well, it

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01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: may well just be that it works brilliantly as retail politics.

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Speaker 3: Most people go yay, no surcharge, and those of us

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 3: who see the problems that are just to select few

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: who have to get up over at twenty pass six

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Speaker 3: with me. Now is Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management. Hey Shane,

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01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: Hello Heather. Now how have the markets reacted to the

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Speaker 3: EU and the US doing this trade deal?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, after a bit of golf in the weekend in Scotland,

1717
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 13: mister Trump on bar of the US is cut a

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01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 13: deal with the European Union and l see EU face

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01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 13: fifteen percent tariffs on most of the exports. That means

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Speaker 13: they avoid the thirty percent plus number that mister Trump

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Speaker 13: tariff did a little while ago. It doesn't include pharmaceuticals

1722
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 13: and metal sects. It's except so the market likes it.

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Speaker 13: But what the market's also focusing on either is tonight

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Speaker 13: in Stockholm, mister percent the Treasury Secretary for the US's

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Speaker 13: meeting with the Chinese, and there's a rumor come out

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Speaker 13: of the South China Morning Post saying that they're going

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Speaker 13: to extend the tariff truce by another three months. No sources,

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Speaker 13: of course, but that would mean that we're seeing that

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Speaker 13: can kick down the road. Seeingly, I think this greater

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Speaker 13: certainty that we're seeing at the European deal, the Japanese

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Speaker 13: deal last year, just taking some of the risk away

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Speaker 13: for capital markets, supporting a further broad based recovery and

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Speaker 13: shear markets. Even our shre market today had a bit

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Speaker 13: of a balance today either up zero point four percent,

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Speaker 13: but will take it so be more positive.

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Speaker 3: How good do you think that Donald Trump's pressure is

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Speaker 3: going to lead to a cut by the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: this week?

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Speaker 13: Certainly heaping on the pressure. The short answer is the

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Speaker 13: markets don't think so. The market thinks the Federal Open

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 13: Market Committee it's going to hold the Fed funds rate

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Speaker 13: at at four point twenty five four point five percent

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Speaker 13: range on Thursday, watching for changes in the language, which

1744
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Speaker 13: you know, the US economy is in pretty resilient. The

1745
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 13: inflation is coming in lower, of course, so it's getting

1746
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 13: harder for the US Fed the Reserve to say no.

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 13: Every central bank wants to see what tarrifs do, so

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Speaker 13: there'll be a few dissenters on the committee. We would

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 13: not be surprised to see cuts by the US Federal

1750
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 13: Reserve later in the year, markets thinking December and another

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 13: one in twenty six. On Thursday, we might get a

1752
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 13: little bit of a skew saying the cuts are going

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01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 13: to be earlier or more substantial, So that will be

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01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 13: driven by data. And mister Powell has j Powell, the

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 13: head of the Fed, has been very resilient in pushing

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01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 13: back on political pressure.

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Speaker 3: Now we've had quite a few changes a spark today.

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01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 3: What's the market made of this?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so we've seen a couple of board member changes

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 13: Lindsay Wright, Vinshawksworth and Tarequabauta coming on and Gordon McLeod

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01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 13: and Sheridan Broadbent coming off.

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Speaker 6: Spark.

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Speaker 13: The Altellicom New Zone has been on under a lot

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Speaker 13: of pressure to refresh the board after share price has

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01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 13: underperformed basically over the last three years. It's underperformed by

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Speaker 13: forty eight percent versus the rest of the market, ie

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01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 13: the New Zealand sharemakers have about forty percent in the

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01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 13: three years and sparks down thirty four percent. How did

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01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 13: the market react? Went up the share price Sparkshire price

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01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 13: went up missoerio point four percent to two dollars forty

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Speaker 13: nine So kind of we're taking it in saying yep,

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Speaker 13: directionally interesting and useful.

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Speaker 20: Let's see what happens next.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Sesson more absolutely brilliant stuff. Shane, thanks so much,

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Speaker 3: look after yourself. We'll talk to you next week. Shane Solly,

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Speaker 3: Harbor Astic Management, six twenty three.

1777
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Speaker 4: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Maz for

1779
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News.

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01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 3: Talks that'd be Brad Olson's going to be with us

1781
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 3: shortly on the job numbers, shrinkage in the job market.

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Speaker 3: I think he's in China. He'll talk us through at

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Speaker 3: six twenty six. Now in some show biz news, you say,

1784
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: is now the title hold of the most profitable country

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Speaker 3: music tour of all time.

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Speaker 10: She closed out her.

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Speaker 3: Cowboy Carter tour last night in Las Vegas. Show has

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Speaker 3: made over four hundred million dollars in revenue and it's

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Speaker 3: thirty two shows. That means it's made an average of

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Speaker 3: thirteen to fourteen million dollars per show. Now, this makes

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Speaker 3: it the highest per show average for any artist. In

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, at her final Las Vegas show, Beyonce

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Speaker 3: reunited with her former d Child bandmates to perform their

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Speaker 3: song Lose My Breath. I mean, mainly what you can

1795
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Speaker 3: hear is just hyper ventilating fans. But if you know

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Speaker 3: the tune you were you were there, You were there

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Speaker 3: with them, weren't you. The trio then did a symbolic

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Speaker 3: passing of the torch to Beyonce's daughter Blue Ivy Carter,

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Speaker 3: who's thirteen years old. She's been performing alongside her mum

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Speaker 3: at all Cowboy Carter shows this year, which means she

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Speaker 3: really is Destiny's child.

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Speaker 7: You like that joke?

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01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wrote it for me. I did not write

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Speaker 3: that one, That's right, I did not write that one.

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Speaker 3: All right, go on, then that's what is it?

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Speaker 4: Doesn't that sound?

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Speaker 2: Familia?

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Speaker 3: I never realized how Australian she said that maggage you ever?

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Speaker 13: Isn't it?

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Speaker 24: And doesn't that fail the care that it's a perfectly

1811
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 24: nice like pop song. I don't think this is the

1812
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 24: fourth best Australian song ever made, not at all like.

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Speaker 3: This makes it even more of a cross. That ice

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Speaker 3: House is electric Blue is at at one hundred. Leave

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Speaker 3: me with a scar anyway, bless, bless you know, like

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Speaker 3: I don't have a song that's coming number four on

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Speaker 3: Triple J's All Time Greatest Australian Songs, do you know?

1818
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Speaker 3: But anyway, Missy Higgins does Brad is next.

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Speaker 25: With that.

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Speaker 4: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's headed Duplessy Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS

1822
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,879
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks that'd.

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Speaker 10: Be This is the third the Veronica untoped.

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Speaker 3: It might surprise you to know that Ans absolutely banging

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01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 3: this one out out there. He is singing along with it.

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Speaker 3: Here we were thinking that he's sort of like high

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Speaker 3: level diff diff.

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Speaker 24: I have been waiting for this one all day. No, yeah,

1829
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Speaker 24: absolutely lost Taysoon News Lolliwoo DJs played this song at

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Speaker 24: four thirty am at Rhythm and Vines twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 24: it was just amazing.

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Speaker 16: The crowd just lit up.

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Speaker 10: This is a song that nobody cannot dance to.

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Speaker 3: Just remember this when he when he tells you that

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Speaker 3: something isn't allSome, just remember this.

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Speaker 10: This is what is allesome an answers world.

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Speaker 3: Thank you ants. Anyway, I got number one coming up shortly.

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Speaker 3: We're skipping number two and ANTS will explain why shortly.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty four away from seven now. There

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Speaker 3: were almost twenty eight thousand fewer jobs in June compared

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01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 3: to last June. More than twelve thousand of those lost

1842
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 3: jobs came from the construction sector. Almost six thousand were

1843
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Speaker 3: manufacturing jobs. Education and primary industries added jobs. Brad Olson

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Speaker 3: as INFA Metrics principal economist, Hey, Brad, good evening. Look,

1845
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, lost jobs has lost jobs, and

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01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 3: it's never great. But is this as bad as expected

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01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 3: or is it worse or not and not as bad?

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, look, it's certainly challenging when the economy

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Speaker 9: has lost twenty eight thousand rolls over the last year,

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Speaker 9: But in fearness, we've sort of already known that for

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Speaker 9: quite a few months. You look back at what we've

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01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 9: seen over the last couple and job numbers have been

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01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 9: down at this level or if not even worse of

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01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 9: an annual decline. That's not to say that things are

1855
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 9: easy at the moment, but we have been seeing on

1856
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 9: a more month to month basis that job numbers in

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01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 9: New Zealand have broadly been tracking sideways, some months up,

1858
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 9: some months down, but really no real trend. And I

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 9: think that's probably the wider concern. We know that there's

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01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 9: been a big job drop in jobs, but people are

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01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 9: now looking and going well. Surely now that we're starting

1862
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 9: to see some of those the economic rev up, that's

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01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 9: being talked about where are the jobs we're starting to

1864
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 9: see that growth yet, and unfortunately, so far, there's just

1865
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 9: not really any evidence. In the month of June a

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Speaker 9: very slight zero point one percent increase in the seasonally

1867
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Speaker 9: adjusted monthly figures, but really no real trend in so far.

1868
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 9: There's just no evidence that we're seeing a pick up

1869
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 9: quite yet. Have we reached the bottom though, I think

1870
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 9: we probably have, or you'd certainly hope so, over the

1871
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 9: next couple of month at least, I don't think it

1872
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 9: would start to deteriorate.

1873
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 4: All that much.

1874
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Speaker 9: Further, we're still expecting that the likes of the unemployment

1875
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 9: rate will peak ever so slightly higher than where it

1876
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 9: was at the start of this year, around five point

1877
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 9: three percent over the next couple of months. But interestingly,

1878
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 9: you're starting to see in some areas actually a bit

1879
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 9: of growth. For the likes of the South Island job

1880
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 9: numbers are now up ever so slightly on where they

1881
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Speaker 9: were a year ago. It's just that North Island job

1882
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 9: figures are down quite heavily, and so I think that

1883
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 9: does start to highlight that, yes, there are some areas

1884
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 9: that are starting to see a slow pick up the

1885
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 9: primary sector are you seeing some more jobs coming through

1886
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 9: in the likes of finance, health education, But other big

1887
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 9: job losses, like in construction and manufacturing, professional professional services,

1888
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 9: none of those picking up at any time soon. And

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01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 9: I think that's the challenge, is that some of those

1890
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 9: big areas that normally do take on a lot of

1891
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 9: jobs just no real new opportunities starting to show through.

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Speaker 9: So tough out there still for many.

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01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I mean construction we obviously expected to pick

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 3: up again, but manufacturing do you ever expected to pick up?

1895
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 3: Or have we kind of have we got to the

1896
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: point now where most of the stuff that we've lost

1897
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 3: will never be replaced.

1898
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 9: Look, I think in some areas businesses will of course

1899
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 9: have been looking at, you know, buying capital, plant and equipment,

1900
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 9: machinery to try and do some of those roles into

1901
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 9: the future, so potentially there's not quite as much upturn.

1902
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 9: But also in some of those more niche sort of

1903
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 9: advanced manufacturing areas, yes, I think New Zealand's got some

1904
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 9: opportunity there. It's actually probably the other way around. I mean,

1905
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,440
Speaker 9: likes of construction. I'm not sure if those numbers necessarily

1906
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 9: pick up all that heavily. Yes, the government's doing more

1907
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 9: infrastructure investment and similar but we're not about to crash

1908
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 9: interest rates down to a level that would stimulate the

1909
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 9: highest building since the nineteen seventies. That's where we were

1910
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 9: a couple of years ago. That's why we've had such

1911
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 9: a job loss because we added so many before. Long

1912
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 9: story short, we're just trying to find that Goldilock zone

1913
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 9: for the economy at the moment, and that is a

1914
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 9: very very tough process when you're seeing these numbers of

1915
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 9: job losses coming through.

1916
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 3: Fair enough, now, Brad, did I see you on the

1917
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 3: news as being in China?

1918
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Speaker 9: Indeed, indeed, I am.

1919
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 3: Is this a holiday? I mean, what am I asking?

1920
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Speaker 8: You?

1921
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Never take a holiday? So what work related thing are

1922
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 3: you doing in China?

1923
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 9: It's a holiday of sorts hither. I mean, I'm just

1924
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 9: sort of here trying to see what the economy's doing it.

1925
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 9: Of course, China is our largest trading partner and there's

1926
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 9: some pretty big opportunities. So having a bit of a

1927
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 9: look around anything from you know, what's happening with consumer

1928
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 9: trends and the fact that there's just so many new

1929
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 9: products all of a sudden, you know, coming out sort

1930
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 9: of every second week, lots of new drinks and beverages,

1931
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 9: cheesy options and similar emerging. I mean, we talk a

1932
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 9: lot about butter and New Zealand at the moment, but

1933
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 9: over in China they're paying a lot more for what

1934
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 9: we're sending over, So it's good to see a healthy

1935
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 9: export market occurring.

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Speaker 3: To what's the coolest thing you see? What's the coolest

1937
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 3: new product you've seen?

1938
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm trying to. I mean there have been some

1939
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 9: recent collabs where you know your classic cheese slice, well

1940
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 9: now they've edited in a few extra flavors into them,

1941
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 9: you know, to sort of meet the market over here.

1942
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 9: I think there's something like spicy crayfish tomato, and there

1943
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 9: was one other I've forgotten. But it's neat because you're

1944
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 9: seeing sort of product innovation right in front of you.

1945
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 9: New Zealand we're sort of on the bleeding edge of

1946
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 9: taking those new opportunities, you know, figuring out what local

1947
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 9: customers want and then sort of churning them out or

1948
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Speaker 9: working with partners to put out the good stuff. It's

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Speaker 9: been quite exciting just to see everything. I mean, everything

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Speaker 9: moves so fast here. The tech and innovation is just hectic.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Brad Hey thanks very much and save travels back.

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Speaker 3: That's Brad Olson, Infametric's principal economist. It's nineteen away from seven.

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Speaker 4: So ever, dup to see Allen Chris.

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Speaker 3: From Raleigh, New Zealand reckons they weren't booing the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister at the Netball but they were in fact booing

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Speaker 3: Jenny Wiley because they're not happy about the changes that

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Speaker 3: Jenny Wyley is making to netball, which is look, it's applausible.

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Speaker 3: It's applausible theory. It's possible he did, however, I mean

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Speaker 3: he obviously felt it was him though, because he owned

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Speaker 3: it today in the press conference. But she's a tough

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Speaker 3: if he was standing there getting booed for someone else's mistakes, now,

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Speaker 3: just send it. I did give you some trigger warning earlier, okay.

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Speaker 3: So I am a little bit surprised by these numbers.

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Speaker 3: It turns out that most people think that just Cinda

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Speaker 3: actually did a really good job during COVID. Talbot Mills

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Speaker 3: has put out some polling today and where they ask

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Speaker 3: people how would you rate her leadership during COVID? And

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Speaker 3: these are the results and this is a credible study, right,

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Speaker 3: So don't come back and be like not enough people. Whatever,

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Speaker 3: it's fine. It's Talbot Mills, you can believe it. The

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Speaker 3: number of people the proportion of people who rated her

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Speaker 3: leadership is good is twenty five percent. The proportion and

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Speaker 3: proportion of people who rated her leadership is very good

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Speaker 3: it's thirty eight percent. You add those two together, very

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Speaker 3: good and good, that's sixty three percent of us. Sixty

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Speaker 3: three percent of us think that Cinda did a good

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Speaker 3: or very good job during COVID. Sixteen percent are unsure.

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Speaker 3: They must be new migrants because everybody else has got

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Speaker 3: an opinion. Seven percent thought poor and fifteen percent thought

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Speaker 3: very poor, which means that people who thought it was

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Speaker 3: poor or very poor was only twenty three percent. Now

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Speaker 3: does that shock you as much as it shocks me.

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Speaker 3: It shocks me because if this was taken in the

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Speaker 3: height of COVID, I would be like, yeah, that makes yeah.

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Speaker 3: I can see that there was a minority of us

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Speaker 3: who were mainly living in Auckland and thinking the whole

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Speaker 3: thing was a shambles, and the majority of people were

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Speaker 3: afraid of COVID, living in fear, happy with it. But

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Speaker 3: you know, it's five years on, four years on, we've

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Speaker 3: all had the rona. It hasn't been that bad. We're

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Speaker 3: all seeing how the country's completely stuffed as a result.

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Speaker 3: It surprises me. It surprises me that nearly two in

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Speaker 3: every three of us still think it was an awesome

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Speaker 3: job done by just Cinda. But anyway, there you go,

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Speaker 3: So you know, maybe don't go to a barbecue and

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Speaker 3: just pipe up about how just Cinda handled it, because

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Speaker 3: chances are that if there's three of you standing there,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be the only one who thinks it

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Speaker 3: was a bad job. Now, can I just refer you

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Speaker 3: to what happened over the weekend, which I think may

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Speaker 3: well may in fact be the biggest boss move of

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Speaker 3: the weekend. Astronomer is the company who had the couple,

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Speaker 3: the CEO and the HR chief. It was them who

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Speaker 3: were busted at the cold Play. They worked for Astronomer.

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Speaker 3: Astronomer now has hired a special celebrity spokesperson to speak

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Speaker 3: on their behalf. Who did they hire? They hired the

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Speaker 3: ex wife of the cold Play lead singer, Gwyneth Paltrow.

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Speaker 25: Hi, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. I've been hired on a very

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Speaker 25: temporary basis to speak on behalf of the three hundred

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Speaker 25: plus employees at Astronomer. Astronomer has gotten a lot of

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Speaker 25: questions over the last few days, and they wanted me

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Speaker 25: to answer the last common ones.

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Speaker 3: Now you do get this, You do get what a

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Speaker 3: boss move. This is right because there are now two

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Speaker 3: couples who have ex wives. His ex wife and the

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Speaker 3: one he was bonking. She's now an ex wife because

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Speaker 3: their marriages have split up. And why did they split up?

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Speaker 3: Because they were at a Coldplay concert, So they got

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Speaker 3: Coldplay's ex wife. That's clever, right, Like that is very

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Speaker 3: clever anyway, you know how she said that she was

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Speaker 3: going to answer all the questions. Yet, don't get excited.

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Speaker 3: That is clever because what they did was they took

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Speaker 3: a really crappy situation and they poked the Borrex edit u.

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Speaker 3: They just had a bit of fun with it and

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Speaker 3: now they look like they're actually good sorts.

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Speaker 1: Quarter to seven, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics,

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Speaker 1: it's all on the business hours with hither dupleic Ellen

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Speaker 3: They'd be right, Devin. By the way, I might have

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Speaker 3: got the email of the evening. I'm going to read

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Speaker 3: it to you shortly, Gavin Gray, UK correspondents with US

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Speaker 3: Now even in Gavin.

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Speaker 4: Hi there, Eah.

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Speaker 3: Now does it look to you like the EU deal

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Speaker 3: with the US is not that great for the EU?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: And I think the media and analysts are suggesting as

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Speaker 22: much this morning. Of course, we still really don't have

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Speaker 22: much in the way of detail, but the European Union

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Speaker 22: and America heralding as a big and it is a

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Speaker 22: big deal because it's roughly one in three goods and

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Speaker 22: services around the world, So the US EU trade is

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Speaker 22: a massive, massive factor around the world. But we now know,

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Speaker 22: of course that the EU will still end up paying tariffs. Well,

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Speaker 22: looks like everyone is going to fifteen percent, so that's

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Speaker 22: half the thirty percent that they were being threatened with,

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Speaker 22: but more than the UK's ten percent. And the deal

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Speaker 22: will add roughly ninety billion US dollars revenue for American

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Speaker 22: government coffers. I mean, that's a huge sum of money.

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Speaker 22: And the EU also buying US energy products and also

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Speaker 22: a defense worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

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Speaker 7: And indeed JD.

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Speaker 22: Vans has said that he reckons that the headlines around

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Speaker 22: the world will be Donald Trump only got ninety nine

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Speaker 22: point nine percent of what he asked for. What did

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Speaker 22: Europe get back in return? Well, I think they are

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Speaker 22: kind of playing the longer game. The European economy is

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Speaker 22: sluggish at the moment, so they didn't want to upset

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Speaker 22: that they need America's help for defense and now recognize that.

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Speaker 22: And despite the tough words from Emmanuel mac gran saying

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Speaker 22: that it should be a level playing field and Europe

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Speaker 22: should then impose tariffs on America, it just looks like

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Speaker 22: they thought, do you know what will swallow this pill?

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Speaker 22: It'll make exports imports from America more expensive and therefore

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Speaker 22: I dissuade people from buying American and overall decided this

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Speaker 22: was something that they would have to do and will do.

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Speaker 16: But they're painting it as a success.

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Speaker 3: How long do you think that the UK is prepared

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Speaker 3: to drop eight into Gaza because this is not a

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Speaker 3: short term effect, is it?

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Speaker 22: No, it isn't And at the moment so far, the

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Speaker 22: planes that have been on route via Jordan and Ua

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Speaker 22: have not involved the IREF and have not been UK

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Speaker 22: food or UK provided supplies, but the British Prime Minister

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Speaker 22: says they are working with Jordan now to get British

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Speaker 22: planes and indeed British supplies in the air and into Gaza.

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Speaker 22: It comes at a very very interesting time with Israel

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Speaker 22: now saying they'll do these tactical ceasefires are tactical peace

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Speaker 22: times in order to get the AID in. There's huge

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Speaker 22: pressure on Sekires Starmer France is to become the first

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Speaker 22: G seven nation to recognize a Palestinian state. A large

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Speaker 22: number of MP's, even from Secure Starmer's own party of government,

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Speaker 22: are demanding that he recognized Palestine as an independent state

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Speaker 22: and now here Sekires Starmer is today with a two

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Speaker 22: hour meeting set aside to speak to Donald Trump. Yes,

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Speaker 22: it will be about aid and it will be rather

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Speaker 22: about trade. That's what Donald Trump wants to talk about

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Speaker 22: to flesh out a few of the little issues that

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Speaker 22: remain following the announcement of a trade deal between the

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Speaker 22: UK and the US. But also Sekires Starmer definitely promising

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Speaker 22: to mention the situation in Gaza it's.

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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you. Look after yourself. We talked

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Speaker 3: to you in a couple of days. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent,

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Speaker 3: nine Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too Pussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 3: Heather, I'm one's this is hot off the press, just

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Speaker 3: come in literally hither, I'm one standing with a good

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Speaker 3: job on COVID response. I'm not a justin a fan

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Speaker 3: by any stretch of the imagination. She did what she

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Speaker 3: thought was the right thing with her advisors for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I don't hear baby boomers complaining. We felt ithered too

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Speaker 3: and safe. The defiance and attitude was unbelievable and so on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Now I've had an email. I

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Speaker 3: reckon listen. I get some awesome emails. Ah, and I've

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Speaker 3: got to be honest. I don't I don't give my

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Speaker 3: email correspondence nearly enough time on the show. This is

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Speaker 3: the quality of an email that I get. This is

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Speaker 3: from Fiona Heather. I'm reminded of a conversation that I

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Speaker 3: overheard in a pub in tie Happy maybe thirty five

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Speaker 3: plus years ago. It was lunchtime and I called into

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Speaker 3: the pub for a light meal or my travels from

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Speaker 3: Rutu to Wellington. It was a holiday weekend. Remember this

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Speaker 3: is thirty five plus years ago, right, so we're talking

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Speaker 3: about like it's like the eighties.

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Speaker 24: Must have been a really good light lunch.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Still, remember this is the eighties and Fiona still remembers

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Speaker 3: this on her trip from roade Vegas to Wellington. It

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Speaker 3: was a holiday weekend, so bugger all was open and

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Speaker 3: tie happy. So I rocked up and I ordered my

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Speaker 3: light meal and I sat down at a table. There

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Speaker 3: was only one local in the bar, and there was

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Speaker 3: a gnarly bar maid. She'd seen it all. She asked

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Speaker 3: the local to put some firewood into the pot belly

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Speaker 3: stove and he complained a lot, muttering something sexual about

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Speaker 3: fitting big things into small holes, et cetera. And she

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Speaker 3: just said, Harry, that's you all over, all bang and

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Speaker 3: no bloody bullet. And it was said dryly, not even

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Speaker 3: a smirk on her face. I'm reminded of this with

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis, she is all bang and no bloody bullet.

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Speaker 3: I am increasingly becoming dissolution. With Nicola, she shrieks statements

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Speaker 3: but doesn't seem to deliver cheers, Fiona, do you know

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Speaker 3: what you send me an awesomema like that? Because to

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Speaker 3: be honest, Colin sent another one last week that was

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Speaker 3: so good. I said to him email and I was

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Speaker 3: an Email of the day Colin, but I didn't read

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Speaker 3: it out to you, and that's a crime. Well, Fiona's

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Speaker 3: I've learned email of the day, Fiona, and it goes

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Speaker 3: on air. So you keep that kind of correspondence up.

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Speaker 3: Well done you. We're not gonna waste you know what.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of effort that went into crafting something

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Speaker 3: as good as that, and it's a crime that it

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Speaker 3: just gets deleted or just disappears into the etho, just

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of ones and zeros. But now it's

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Speaker 3: out there. Thank you for that, Fiona.

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Speaker 24: All right, go on as ye never tear us apart

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Speaker 24: by an excess voted by Australia or at least Triple

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Speaker 24: J listeners in Australia as the greatest Australian song of

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Speaker 24: all time.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a bang up, isn't it. Listen to it.

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Speaker 10: A weirdly.

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Speaker 3: This is some good keyboards in the background, got a

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Speaker 3: good steady like intentional drum beat and a sex god.

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Speaker 10: At the front.

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Speaker 24: And I think when they looked at the voting demographics,

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Speaker 24: it was a lot of young people mostly who voted

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Speaker 24: in this thing. So yeah, it's the songs from nineteen

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Speaker 24: eighty eight. Pierona might have been listening to it in

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Speaker 24: that pub, who knows, who knows, But yeah, so even

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Speaker 24: the modern generations can still appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Now, what was number two and why did you skip it?

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Speaker 24: Number two was the Nosebleed section by Hilltop Hoods, And

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Speaker 24: as much as I like the song, I skipped it

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Speaker 24: because there's way to medif words in it.

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Speaker 10: When was that song put out?

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Speaker 24: I've never heard of two thousand and three. That was

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Speaker 24: their first big hit. That was the one that kind

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Speaker 24: of broke them through. They've actually it's interesting because it

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Speaker 24: got night in the Triple J Hot one hundred at

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Speaker 24: the time, and they've had songs that have done better

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Speaker 24: since then. That turns out in hindsight, people.

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Speaker 3: Really like the first one better than ice House.

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Speaker 24: I'm not a big chan of ice House either.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, right, but then you're a big fan of

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Speaker 2: really crap music.

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Speaker 10: We have to say so. I think we discover.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, just enjoy, just enjoy, and for all of the

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Speaker 3: grief that the Aussies give us, and it's a lot,

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Speaker 3: they have given us some excellent chunes. So well done Australasia,

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Speaker 3: because some of them are actually ours as well, aren't

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Speaker 3: they anyway, See you tomorrow, never Chazz, you were.

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Speaker 10: Staring, I was.

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Speaker 25: And O

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