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Speaker 1: More climate and use how long a wait? Did I

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Speaker 1: use that term? Loosely? Long awaited climate adaptation plan is out.

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Speaker 1: Councils now have to draw up thirty year plans in

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Speaker 1: the national flood Maps due in twenty twenty seven. Simon

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Speaker 1: Watts is the Climate Change Minister and is with us morning.

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Speaker 1: Good to hear you, Mike, how much of Watson? This

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Speaker 1: report is rock solid science and we know what we're

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Speaker 1: doing and where we're going and how we're going to

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Speaker 1: do it versus guesswork.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the reality of what we face

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Speaker 2: right now is we don't have a coordinated approach to

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Speaker 2: deal with floods and the cyclones and the impacts we

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Speaker 2: have from natural hazards. It's pretty uncoordinated. We don't have

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Speaker 2: good data to make decisions. We don't have clear roles

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Speaker 2: and responsibilities next year as a country if you compare

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Speaker 2: ourselves to like Japan, we don't have a clear framework

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Speaker 2: to deal without reality. So this has been a big

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Speaker 2: piece of work. We've released our findings yesterday and this

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Speaker 2: is going to be the bed rock in terms of

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Speaker 2: moving forward around how we deal with these events in

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Speaker 2: a more coordinating manner. Primarily, Mike the challenges is that

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Speaker 2: we need to make sure that you know, kiwis have

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Speaker 2: the right information to make informed decisions where they live

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Speaker 2: and where they build, and that responsibility needs to be

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Speaker 2: moving from away from government to be the last resort

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Speaker 2: every time something goes wrong, to make sure people have

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Speaker 2: got the good information to make good decisions.

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Speaker 1: Does it counteract the post code scenario? I mean some

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Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about don't affect some part.

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Speaker 1: I mean the earth quake scenario the other day was

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Speaker 1: your classic example, wasn't it? I mean, does it cover

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Speaker 1: the whole country or is it post co dish?

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Speaker 2: No. We looked at said it's got to cover the

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Speaker 2: areas that are actually high priority and at risk. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's not covering everywhere. And I think that's the challenge

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Speaker 2: with the status quo. There wasn't necessarily a focus on

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Speaker 2: the you know, the areas which need it, and that

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Speaker 2: has a cost. So we said, focus on the priority areas,

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Speaker 2: make sure they've got plans. If other areas want to

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Speaker 2: do stuff, then that's fine, but you know, the priority

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Speaker 2: is you know, the areas that we know get hit

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Speaker 2: a lot. But the information sphere is the big one,

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Speaker 2: and that's the blood modeling recommend plan that we're going

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Speaker 2: to have there. We don't have complete information for people.

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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily independent. But actually when you look behind,

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Speaker 2: government actually has a huge amount of data through Earth

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Speaker 2: Sciences for all of our government departments and a lot

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Speaker 2: of that information isn't available two kiwis And if they

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Speaker 2: had that, the reality is I think they'll be able

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Speaker 2: to make better informed decisions.

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Speaker 1: How reliant are we on local authorities and their ability

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Speaker 1: and if they're a bit useless, we're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Well, they play a big role. And one of the

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Speaker 2: major challenges that we've seen through events is we've just

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Speaker 2: had lack of clarity of who does what and even

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Speaker 2: in the post event, you know who actually is responsible

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Speaker 2: in terms of who pays and how do you share

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Speaker 2: the costs. So what we've done in this in line

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Speaker 2: with the work that Minister Bishop's doing on RIMA, is

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Speaker 2: we've said for those priority areas of the country, then

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Speaker 2: local government needs to take a responsibility for that planning

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Speaker 2: and coordination role and central government will support them in

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Speaker 2: that task. But that means that it's really clear on

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Speaker 2: who's responsible, and that's not the case at the moment.

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Speaker 1: All right, have a good week in Simon wants the

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Speaker 1: climate at Minister Willis this morning. For more from the

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