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Speaker 1: On that economic front, A and Z gave it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting forecast yesterday on GDP as well as the cash

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Speaker 1: right as well as housing. So I'll come to that

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Speaker 1: in the moment. Meantime, we got new dart at the

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Speaker 1: Show State School seventeen past seven. By the way, a

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Speaker 1: new dart at the Show State schools are bursting at

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Speaker 1: the seams. We got nearly fifteen hundred at capacity. Three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight are over the top. A Secondary

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Speaker 1: Principal's Association President Vorn Collio is back with us born morning.

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Speaker 1: Capacity is good, isn't it. Don't you think at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day you want to be full.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want a whole lot of really expensive

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Speaker 2: state assets sitting there half empty, and so being at

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Speaker 2: capacity is a good thing. Being significantly over capacity can

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Speaker 2: bring challenges on the ground, but you don't want to

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Speaker 2: hold a crowny city empty.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a really simple question. Given its

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Speaker 1: immigration driven. When the immigrants come to the country and

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Speaker 1: we check out how many children they may or may

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Speaker 1: not have, then we can count the years from the

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Speaker 1: age of say one, two, three, four, five being there

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Speaker 1: at school. Why isn't this more coordinated and we, in

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Speaker 1: other words, we know they're coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I asked that question ourselves as a SPANS executive,

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Speaker 2: that question of ministry officials. And there seems to be

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Speaker 2: some sort of disconnect between what happens at the border

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Speaker 2: and what information gets fed through to the Ministry of Education.

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Speaker 2: Not quite sure why that is, particularly when it comes

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Speaker 2: to counting the number of kids that people are bringing.

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Speaker 1: With them exactly a glass our fall. It's a solvable problem.

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Speaker 2: Surely you would have thought so. I just not my

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Speaker 2: field of expertise, But yeah, counting people getting off the

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Speaker 2: plane is a good place to start.

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Speaker 1: And so all that happens if you can't, if you're

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Speaker 1: at capacity or beyond. You start sticking prefabs in the

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Speaker 1: school grounds, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or you start making classes a little bigger, or

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Speaker 2: you start using spaces like libraries or meeting rooms for

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Speaker 2: smaller classes and you just come up with creative solutions.

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Speaker 2: You start using your hall as a classroom, when you

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Speaker 2: start using your fun a new So there's there's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of wiggle room for some of us, but

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Speaker 2: then when you start pushing it a little bit further,

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Speaker 2: it becomes harder and harder.

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Speaker 1: Is there any suggestion that any of this is going

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Speaker 1: to be relieved in any way, shape or form of

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Speaker 1: part from America Stanford's announcement this week, there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of new schools are being built with one hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of savings.

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Speaker 2: With all due respect to the local ministry in Auckland,

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Speaker 2: there has been some really good work done and moving

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Speaker 2: some relocatables, some offsite modular builds to ease some of

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Speaker 2: those capacity issues, and there's real intent from the team

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Speaker 2: in Wellington to get this over the line. The problem

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Speaker 2: is the lag People turn up quickly, buildings don't turn

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Speaker 2: up quite so quickly. But property has been the problem

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Speaker 2: child of the Ministry of Education for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Born, have a good weekend, Born Collier,

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Speaker 1: who's the Secondary Principal's Association president. Dealing with government departments

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Speaker 1: and not having government departments share information has been an

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Speaker 1: issue in this country literally for decades. Mike. The reason

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Speaker 1: the doctors are striking is negotiating table hasn't worked. The

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Speaker 1: government needs to pay them fully to compensate for the

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Speaker 1: condition's issue, which government has caused because of the loose

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Speaker 1: immigration values. I have no idea what that means. All

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Speaker 1: I know is the doctors are asking for twelve percent,

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Speaker 1: the health New Zealander offering one to two percent, but

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Speaker 1: twelve percent is ludicrous. Seven more from the mic Asking

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