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Speaker 2: Hello, We're back on the front foots conditions took their

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Speaker 2: soul on the black Caps one day side in Bangladesh.

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Speaker 2: But despite the results, there were positive the same challenges

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Speaker 2: based on wise you emerging talent and the White Ferns

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Speaker 2: World Cup squad. England test players are starting to emerge

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Speaker 2: in the County Championship because they battle for places in

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Speaker 2: the squad. And we told you the news last week

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Speaker 2: former Black Cap for Jeff Allot was going to be

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Speaker 2: the new CEO and guess what we were right, But

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Speaker 2: at a critical time he's not taking up the role

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Speaker 2: until July two months away and they want the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand twenty up and running next January. Well, it didn't

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Speaker 2: take us long to get the right answer. Secrets are

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Speaker 2: safe in New Zealand. Cricket circles that leaky sid we've

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Speaker 2: talked about Jerry. Jeff Allot's got the job. Not universally accepted,

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Speaker 2: but they got a live with it and make it work, now,

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Speaker 2: don't they?

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Speaker 4: They do high wads Hi Moose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I hope he proves a good servant for New

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Speaker 4: in order that the game can grow. And I hope

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Speaker 4: the coffers filmed and I hope the weather's good between

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Speaker 4: maybe five days on so we can watch another test.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the CEO is not going to be able

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Speaker 2: to run the game of cricket.

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Speaker 4: And what's he doing there?

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Speaker 2: Sorry's supposed to be in charge of the weather most

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the decision to appoint Jeff

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Speaker 2: Allott that we talked about last week.

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Speaker 3: I don't know him. I think he was a pretty

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Speaker 3: useful cricket in his time. I think he was a

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Speaker 3: So I think, as I did touch on last time,

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Speaker 3: have a very challenging time ahead, not not only in

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Speaker 3: independence of the role in terms of running and New

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Speaker 3: cricket community. And that's the point spitual interest and the

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Speaker 3: word conflict we touched on last week. I think will

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Speaker 2: The point that you're talking about is important. It's not

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Speaker 4: Oh, it is it's today he has the responsibility. Look,

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Speaker 2: Well, I suppose past investments probably play an important role.

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Speaker 4: They dot to They've already got that money, haven't they.

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Speaker 4: that's fine. The problem with that is that you can't

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Speaker 3: That goes to precisely that point. The question marks are there,

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Speaker 3: well this is this just leaves a huge question mark

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Speaker 4: If you will, yes, yes, I mean it's it's up

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Speaker 3: Most unusual when you allow someone to come in and

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Speaker 3: They made their decision, and this is all a bit

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's got to be a leadership from the group

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Speaker 2: They just got to give them the license to make

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Speaker 2: that's the big problem. Once again, we're in a situation

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Speaker 2: And they're talking about having it up and running by January.

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Speaker 2: Not going to happen, and the chief executive didn't start

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Speaker 2: to me is the question that I guess we'll have

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Speaker 4: One last thing was can I just say one last thing?

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Speaker 4: you in an O DI I match, the.

435
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Speaker 3: Lack of runs, and I think we've touched on it

436
00:25:48,973 --> 00:25:52,573
Speaker 3: before is in part one because we didn't didn't didn't

437
00:25:52,973 --> 00:25:56,053
Speaker 3: didn't perform as we would have wished. But also I

438
00:25:56,053 --> 00:25:59,653
Speaker 3: think it was it was the fact that Bangladesh their

439
00:25:59,693 --> 00:26:04,293
Speaker 3: bowling attack was it was very good, and you know,

440
00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:07,933
Speaker 3: I was surprised but also impressed by what I sawt there.

441
00:26:08,453 --> 00:26:13,933
Speaker 3: So you know, credit has to be given for Bangladesh

442
00:26:13,933 --> 00:26:19,573
Speaker 3: for being as strong a side than I think. We thought. Yeah,

443
00:26:20,173 --> 00:26:23,693
Speaker 3: there's some lessons to be taken from this, and again

444
00:26:23,773 --> 00:26:26,533
Speaker 3: let's look for the positives. Hopefully we learned something.

445
00:26:26,813 --> 00:26:30,573
Speaker 2: On the front foot with Waddle and Cody Off spinning

446
00:26:30,613 --> 00:26:33,133
Speaker 2: all round A Nancy Patel and batter as He Sharpe

447
00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:35,653
Speaker 2: have earned their maiden World Cup call ops as part

448
00:26:35,733 --> 00:26:38,893
Speaker 2: of the White Ferns squad selected to defend their title

449
00:26:39,373 --> 00:26:42,973
Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty six ICC Women's T twenty in

450
00:26:43,093 --> 00:26:46,293
Speaker 2: England and June. The fifteen strong squad, led by captain

451
00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:49,853
Speaker 2: Neely Kirk, features ten players from New Zealand's victorious twenty

452
00:26:50,013 --> 00:26:54,373
Speaker 2: twenty four campaign, including Sophie Devine and Susie Bates, who

453
00:26:54,373 --> 00:26:58,613
Speaker 2: will be attending their tenth and final T twenty World Cup.

454
00:27:00,613 --> 00:27:03,493
Speaker 2: The team form the bulk of the squad that will

455
00:27:03,493 --> 00:27:06,093
Speaker 2: have a build up tour of England as they prepare

456
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Speaker 2: for the World T twenties. Ben Sawyer joined on the

457
00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:12,533
Speaker 2: front foot and says they achieved some of the improvement

458
00:27:12,613 --> 00:27:17,253
Speaker 2: they needed from the South African series, particularly in batting consistency.

459
00:27:18,493 --> 00:27:18,693
Speaker 4: Yeah.

460
00:27:18,733 --> 00:27:21,733
Speaker 6: I guess before South Africa and coming off the back

461
00:27:21,773 --> 00:27:25,853
Speaker 6: of Zimbabwe, it was posting those bigger scores. And when

462
00:27:25,893 --> 00:27:29,213
Speaker 6: I say bigger, we've done our work. We've done our research.

463
00:27:29,293 --> 00:27:33,813
Speaker 6: I think the last four years of international cricket in

464
00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:37,693
Speaker 6: England there's been series against Australia, India and South Africa,

465
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Speaker 6: so four of the top countries in the world if

466
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Speaker 6: you count England, and the average first inning score in

467
00:27:44,173 --> 00:27:46,893
Speaker 6: T twenty has been one seventy. So we set out

468
00:27:46,893 --> 00:27:49,733
Speaker 6: at the start of the summer that that was our benchmark,

469
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Speaker 6: and I think that first game against South Africa we

470
00:27:52,573 --> 00:27:57,413
Speaker 6: scored one ninety. We chased two of our i think

471
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Speaker 6: top four ever chasers against South Africa in T twenty cricket,

472
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Speaker 6: So it's just more of that. We know that grounds

473
00:28:05,333 --> 00:28:07,733
Speaker 6: are potentially going to be a little bit smaller, wickets

474
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:10,973
Speaker 6: are going to be really really good, so it's exposing

475
00:28:11,013 --> 00:28:14,613
Speaker 6: ourselves to scoring scores above one eighty, but also then

476
00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:18,133
Speaker 6: getting used to chasing that and I think that's what

477
00:28:18,213 --> 00:28:21,013
Speaker 6: we did really well. And I'm sure England are going

478
00:28:21,053 --> 00:28:23,253
Speaker 6: to post those big scores as well against us in

479
00:28:23,293 --> 00:28:27,093
Speaker 6: the T twenty series, and it's just continually being calm

480
00:28:27,293 --> 00:28:28,453
Speaker 6: and chasing those scores.

481
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Speaker 2: Having seen the results of the South Africa India series,

482
00:28:32,853 --> 00:28:35,653
Speaker 2: does that put the performance of New Zealand against them

483
00:28:35,693 --> 00:28:38,373
Speaker 2: here into a different perspective food Does it give you

484
00:28:38,413 --> 00:28:41,693
Speaker 2: a bit more encouragement about the team's performance.

485
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think it shows that South Africa are

486
00:28:45,293 --> 00:28:47,373
Speaker 6: a great team and like I said earlier, I have

487
00:28:47,493 --> 00:28:51,493
Speaker 6: been in the last three white Ball or World Cup

488
00:28:51,533 --> 00:28:55,933
Speaker 6: events they've been finalists, so they're a great side.

489
00:28:57,173 --> 00:28:58,773
Speaker 4: At home against India.

490
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Speaker 6: While India are still probably favorites, you'd expect South Africa

491
00:29:02,493 --> 00:29:05,173
Speaker 6: to go well in their home conditions and they've played

492
00:29:05,213 --> 00:29:08,453
Speaker 6: really well. So yeah, it's nice to see that a

493
00:29:08,493 --> 00:29:11,773
Speaker 6: team that we beat is now beating other teams around

494
00:29:11,813 --> 00:29:16,093
Speaker 6: the world, so that always, you know, is pleasing. But yeah,

495
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,013
Speaker 6: I think South Africa are a great team in their

496
00:29:18,053 --> 00:29:18,453
Speaker 6: own right.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the newer players started to turn in performances against

498
00:29:22,893 --> 00:29:26,933
Speaker 2: South Africa. I guess you also want greater consistency from

499
00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:31,133
Speaker 2: the more experienced players. They started to deliver some bigger

500
00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:33,493
Speaker 2: scores as well, and that's going to be important in

501
00:29:33,533 --> 00:29:34,893
Speaker 2: both formats of the game, isn't it.

502
00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:41,173
Speaker 6: Yeah, merely obviously had an outstanding season both ODII and

503
00:29:41,253 --> 00:29:43,693
Speaker 6: C twenty. Sophie got a you know sixty off a

504
00:29:43,773 --> 00:29:47,733
Speaker 6: thirty there at Wellington and was a match winning performance.

505
00:29:47,733 --> 00:29:50,093
Speaker 6: I think she had a couple of those, even someone

506
00:29:50,173 --> 00:29:52,093
Speaker 6: like easy Gaye. You know, it's not that she's a

507
00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:54,333
Speaker 6: senior player, but she's been around for a while now

508
00:29:54,373 --> 00:29:57,373
Speaker 6: and I thought her contributions both against him Bawey and

509
00:29:57,453 --> 00:30:02,293
Speaker 6: South Africa were great. Yeah, it's it's about getting off

510
00:30:02,293 --> 00:30:07,813
Speaker 6: to good starts and in partnerships, not necessarily just individuals,

511
00:30:07,853 --> 00:30:10,093
Speaker 6: but getting us off to a good start. So that

512
00:30:10,253 --> 00:30:14,053
Speaker 6: you know, chasing or scoring that one eighty is you know,

513
00:30:14,093 --> 00:30:14,893
Speaker 6: well within our.

514
00:30:14,733 --> 00:30:17,613
Speaker 2: Grasp he tried as he gazed at the top of

515
00:30:17,653 --> 00:30:20,053
Speaker 2: the order in the t twenties. Is going to continue

516
00:30:20,173 --> 00:30:24,653
Speaker 2: with that in the matches that you're up against now

517
00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:26,853
Speaker 2: or was that just an experiment at that time.

518
00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:30,533
Speaker 6: No, No, she's someone that we think can deliver for

519
00:30:30,653 --> 00:30:34,173
Speaker 6: us at the top of the order. Again, like I

520
00:30:34,173 --> 00:30:37,053
Speaker 6: said in Partnership with Georgia, and if we do lose

521
00:30:37,093 --> 00:30:39,813
Speaker 6: a wicket with Merely like it's you know, as coaches

522
00:30:39,853 --> 00:30:42,973
Speaker 6: were encouraging them and pushing them to get us off

523
00:30:42,973 --> 00:30:45,613
Speaker 6: to fast start, so that that also means that mistakes

524
00:30:45,613 --> 00:30:49,133
Speaker 6: are going to happen. But looking back on South Africa,

525
00:30:49,373 --> 00:30:51,773
Speaker 6: I think four of the five power plays, we had

526
00:30:51,813 --> 00:30:54,733
Speaker 6: better power plays than South Africa. So whether that's our

527
00:30:54,773 --> 00:30:57,933
Speaker 6: bowls are bowling good or our batters scored really quickly,

528
00:30:58,893 --> 00:31:01,333
Speaker 6: you know, we outplayed South African for the power plays

529
00:31:01,373 --> 00:31:04,173
Speaker 6: and easy Gaze was a huge part of that and

530
00:31:04,173 --> 00:31:07,053
Speaker 6: and you know will continue to be there for the

531
00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:08,533
Speaker 6: for the England series.

532
00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:11,253
Speaker 2: And your confidence and Merely Kerr as captain of the side.

533
00:31:11,573 --> 00:31:14,573
Speaker 6: Yeah, her big, her big word and the big takeaway

534
00:31:14,613 --> 00:31:17,453
Speaker 6: from me was was around belief and and you know,

535
00:31:17,573 --> 00:31:19,933
Speaker 6: she wants all the players and the staff to to

536
00:31:20,013 --> 00:31:23,053
Speaker 6: really have that belief that that we are one of

537
00:31:23,093 --> 00:31:25,693
Speaker 6: the top countries in the world and and to believe

538
00:31:25,733 --> 00:31:29,533
Speaker 6: that that we can beat anybody. So that's a really

539
00:31:29,533 --> 00:31:32,053
Speaker 6: big part of her captaincy and that's you know, a

540
00:31:32,093 --> 00:31:34,013
Speaker 6: big part of my role now is to support the

541
00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:38,533
Speaker 6: captain in trying to instill that belief. So you know,

542
00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:41,173
Speaker 6: I've heard her being interviewed and talk about the fact

543
00:31:41,173 --> 00:31:43,493
Speaker 6: that when we won the World Cup, you know again,

544
00:31:43,533 --> 00:31:45,413
Speaker 6: if you've done it, you can you can believe that

545
00:31:45,453 --> 00:31:48,733
Speaker 6: you can do it again. And even just in individual games,

546
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:52,573
Speaker 6: if you know, if we can encourage our players and

547
00:31:52,653 --> 00:31:55,133
Speaker 6: give them that belief, then we think they can stand

548
00:31:55,173 --> 00:31:58,693
Speaker 6: really tall and perform on the world stage. So that

549
00:31:58,693 --> 00:31:59,533
Speaker 6: that's really important.

550
00:31:59,573 --> 00:32:03,733
Speaker 4: And yes, in and around the long so we've we've

551
00:32:03,733 --> 00:32:04,213
Speaker 4: looked at that.

552
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:08,253
Speaker 6: I I think the Zimbabwe and South Africa series was

553
00:32:08,413 --> 00:32:11,213
Speaker 6: like forty two days and we spoke about that after

554
00:32:11,253 --> 00:32:13,373
Speaker 6: forty two days will still be two days short of

555
00:32:13,413 --> 00:32:17,173
Speaker 6: the start of the World Cup. So we've done a

556
00:32:17,213 --> 00:32:19,413
Speaker 6: lot of prep around that. We've got a little break

557
00:32:19,453 --> 00:32:21,733
Speaker 6: period booked in for the players where they can go

558
00:32:21,813 --> 00:32:25,533
Speaker 6: away from a cricket environment and refresh for just three

559
00:32:25,613 --> 00:32:28,773
Speaker 6: or four days and then come back. So yeah, great

560
00:32:28,773 --> 00:32:31,213
Speaker 6: point that you made at but ones that hopefully we've

561
00:32:31,213 --> 00:32:32,373
Speaker 6: got plans in place.

562
00:32:32,173 --> 00:32:36,373
Speaker 1: For Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.

563
00:32:37,013 --> 00:32:41,093
Speaker 2: Interesting story came up on the internet this morning and

564
00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:44,453
Speaker 2: you'll be intrigued by this, you guys. Michael Holdings saying

565
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:48,053
Speaker 2: something that a million of us have said in the past,

566
00:32:48,973 --> 00:32:51,253
Speaker 2: well nearly a million. I don't know, there might be

567
00:32:51,333 --> 00:32:54,813
Speaker 2: less than that or more. But because he says that

568
00:32:54,853 --> 00:32:59,773
Speaker 2: it holds two, apparently he's reignited the debates surrounding the

569
00:32:59,773 --> 00:33:04,653
Speaker 2: direction of modern cricket, vehemently criticizing the burgeoning dominance of

570
00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:09,973
Speaker 2: T twenty leagues after traditional format or traditional formats. He's

571
00:33:09,973 --> 00:33:16,133
Speaker 2: asserted that cricket administrators often prioritize revenue generation over preserving

572
00:33:16,373 --> 00:33:21,013
Speaker 2: test cricket, warning that such priorities could potentially jeopardize the

573
00:33:21,053 --> 00:33:24,693
Speaker 2: game's long term future. He stressed the success in T

574
00:33:24,813 --> 00:33:29,853
Speaker 2: twenty tournaments does not necessarily translate to strength and test cricket,

575
00:33:30,253 --> 00:33:34,773
Speaker 2: echoing concerns made by other people. I think that's been

576
00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:39,693
Speaker 2: said a fair bit in the past, isn't it. It

577
00:33:39,693 --> 00:33:43,093
Speaker 2: makes a headline because it comes from Michael holding does it.

578
00:33:43,893 --> 00:33:46,413
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure which part I disagree with, Brian.

579
00:33:47,053 --> 00:33:50,653
Speaker 3: I think I think we've. I think we've And by

580
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:53,613
Speaker 3: the way, I'm very pleased he's actually said it, because

581
00:33:53,973 --> 00:33:59,773
Speaker 3: that has the effect of drawing people's attention to what

582
00:34:00,093 --> 00:34:05,773
Speaker 3: is and genuinely is a problem for the game in

583
00:34:05,813 --> 00:34:09,453
Speaker 3: its in its broader sense, and the greatness of the game,

584
00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:11,533
Speaker 3: the game why we're talking about and what we love,

585
00:34:12,173 --> 00:34:19,653
Speaker 3: has been somewhat trivialized into into into the matches being played,

586
00:34:19,653 --> 00:34:22,493
Speaker 3: which none of us can remember. The ones we remember

587
00:34:22,613 --> 00:34:26,653
Speaker 3: are typically great. One day is where you know we

588
00:34:26,813 --> 00:34:29,493
Speaker 3: won the World Cup in twenty nineteen. I'm sure that

589
00:34:29,613 --> 00:34:30,133
Speaker 3: was the case.

590
00:34:32,573 --> 00:34:33,773
Speaker 4: Great games.

591
00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:38,893
Speaker 3: And I'm not. I refuse to concede that the the

592
00:34:38,893 --> 00:34:41,573
Speaker 3: people in the Northern Hemisphere think that they want. But

593
00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:44,773
Speaker 3: the point I'm trying to draw out here is those

594
00:34:45,293 --> 00:34:48,933
Speaker 3: those are the matches that we love, and that that

595
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:52,253
Speaker 3: victory in Wellington a couple of years back, and where

596
00:34:52,253 --> 00:34:55,813
Speaker 3: we came back from being flogged allround the park at

597
00:34:55,853 --> 00:34:58,733
Speaker 3: the base and reserved by Brook and the route and

598
00:34:58,773 --> 00:35:01,853
Speaker 3: whatever else and there was five days of fabulous cricket.

599
00:35:02,413 --> 00:35:05,693
Speaker 3: That's the stuff that people turn up and watch and

600
00:35:06,013 --> 00:35:08,693
Speaker 3: will happen in England in the three day in the

601
00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:10,013
Speaker 3: three Test matches coming up.

602
00:35:10,293 --> 00:35:15,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of game that we build memories on. Jeremy,

603
00:35:15,373 --> 00:35:18,293
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have agreed too much with Michael holding them

604
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:20,413
Speaker 2: and he was at the other end with the red ball,

605
00:35:20,733 --> 00:35:23,133
Speaker 2: but I imagine you could probably agree with what he

606
00:35:23,133 --> 00:35:26,133
Speaker 2: says now about the status of the game.

607
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:31,573
Speaker 4: Now. Has he not noticed this already? Does he not

608
00:35:31,653 --> 00:35:35,413
Speaker 4: have a phone? Does he not have I don't know,

609
00:35:35,453 --> 00:35:42,213
Speaker 4: a radio, or you're right, Michael says something and people

610
00:35:42,253 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 4: seem to take notes. Let's hope they do, because I'm

611
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:48,773
Speaker 4: afraid the direction of travel at the moment isn't a

612
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:52,453
Speaker 4: sustaining one. Really. I think we've I think we've classed

613
00:35:52,493 --> 00:35:56,693
Speaker 4: a tipping point now and it's and it's only when

614
00:35:56,733 --> 00:36:02,093
Speaker 4: the players, the players themselves are going to say stop

615
00:36:02,853 --> 00:36:06,333
Speaker 4: enough that we're going to get some action. I think

616
00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:10,253
Speaker 4: otherwise you know, the red ball game is heading downhill.

617
00:36:10,413 --> 00:36:14,333
Speaker 7: I'm afraid, yes, indeed, And there's an issue in England

618
00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:19,573
Speaker 7: County cricket at the moment, and I'm not sure where

619
00:36:19,653 --> 00:36:21,053
Speaker 7: I sit on this issue.

620
00:36:21,733 --> 00:36:23,613
Speaker 3: I think it's probably valid.

621
00:36:24,053 --> 00:36:26,893
Speaker 2: The headline of the story says the eight day rule

622
00:36:26,973 --> 00:36:30,693
Speaker 2: needs to be looked at. What it refers to is

623
00:36:30,733 --> 00:36:35,573
Speaker 2: what is currently being used in English county cricket as

624
00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:41,533
Speaker 2: replacement players for injury or illness. The trial has rolled

625
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:44,293
Speaker 2: out in the county game for the first time. It

626
00:36:44,413 --> 00:36:49,573
Speaker 2: covers illness and covers like full like replacements. Now we

627
00:36:49,653 --> 00:36:53,333
Speaker 2: have replacements for those who get hit in the head

628
00:36:53,613 --> 00:36:59,693
Speaker 2: and that's fine. Should it be more widespread? Is there

629
00:36:59,733 --> 00:37:03,453
Speaker 2: an issue that it's being misused in England because a

630
00:37:03,493 --> 00:37:09,133
Speaker 2: player was refused the chance to play as a replacement

631
00:37:09,773 --> 00:37:13,253
Speaker 2: because he was regarded as having greater experience than the

632
00:37:13,293 --> 00:37:15,573
Speaker 2: player he was about to replace.

633
00:37:15,933 --> 00:37:18,853
Speaker 4: Had you said Jerry Wadds, Yeah, I know what you're

634
00:37:18,893 --> 00:37:21,773
Speaker 4: talking about. And the replacement, instead of being a right

635
00:37:21,933 --> 00:37:26,733
Speaker 4: arm bowler was actually a left arm bowler and also

636
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:31,173
Speaker 4: had to travel from Glamorgan way up. I think they

637
00:37:31,453 --> 00:37:36,133
Speaker 4: it was something to do with Lancashire, wasn't it. But yeah,

638
00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:39,333
Speaker 4: it seems a bit weird. Like for like, I agree

639
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,453
Speaker 4: with you about the significant life event. I think that's

640
00:37:42,853 --> 00:37:45,853
Speaker 4: fair enough. It is a one year experiment. I think

641
00:37:45,893 --> 00:37:51,413
Speaker 4: this rule, So a death in the family, sudden serious illness,

642
00:37:52,773 --> 00:37:56,773
Speaker 4: you mentioned concussion that can be sort of medically measured,

643
00:37:57,533 --> 00:37:59,853
Speaker 4: birth of a child. I guess you can sort that

644
00:37:59,933 --> 00:38:02,933
Speaker 4: out because you know it's happening with selectors or whatever.

645
00:38:03,213 --> 00:38:08,173
Speaker 4: Other than that, my view on this thing is crickets

646
00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:12,573
Speaker 4: between two teams of eleven, and that's been the way

647
00:38:12,613 --> 00:38:15,933
Speaker 4: it has been for one hundred years, and it seems

648
00:38:15,973 --> 00:38:18,653
Speaker 4: to me there are moves to try and change this

649
00:38:18,773 --> 00:38:22,693
Speaker 4: in some ways. There's a thing called an impact player, now,

650
00:38:22,773 --> 00:38:30,173
Speaker 4: isn't there at the IPL at Corve. Yeah, well that's right.

651
00:38:31,013 --> 00:38:34,173
Speaker 4: They call it tactical flexibility, but it just means that

652
00:38:34,213 --> 00:38:38,653
Speaker 4: you haven't made a decision before the game starts. Yeah,

653
00:38:38,693 --> 00:38:44,053
Speaker 4: they name up five other players alongside the playing eleven. Yeah, look,

654
00:38:44,253 --> 00:38:50,213
Speaker 4: I look, cricket is cricket's also it's eleven against eleven.

655
00:38:50,973 --> 00:38:54,173
Speaker 4: You've got to make choices on the first morning to

656
00:38:54,213 --> 00:38:56,493
Speaker 4: see if you can get some sort of advantage over

657
00:38:56,573 --> 00:39:01,453
Speaker 4: the team you're playing. And it's also a game of stamina.

658
00:39:02,853 --> 00:39:06,853
Speaker 4: Six hours a day, five days, thirty hours, fifteen marathons.

659
00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:13,613
Speaker 4: It's a game of resilience, and you've got to be

660
00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:18,093
Speaker 4: ready for things that happen, and sometimes you're not expecting them.

661
00:39:18,973 --> 00:39:25,693
Speaker 4: So if your hamstring goes, bad luck for that side

662
00:39:25,813 --> 00:39:29,173
Speaker 4: if you're in your fourth or your fifth spell, because

663
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:34,213
Speaker 4: other bowlers haven't been able to do their job. So

664
00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:41,933
Speaker 4: I'm against the sub idea and principle. How do you

665
00:39:41,973 --> 00:39:46,133
Speaker 4: know how serious the soft tissue injury is? Look at

666
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:49,973
Speaker 4: look at the runner situation wads and most you know,

667
00:39:50,053 --> 00:39:53,053
Speaker 4: teams played it to their advantage. They'll play this rule

668
00:39:53,093 --> 00:39:57,173
Speaker 4: to advantage as well. You know in the heat when

669
00:39:57,173 --> 00:40:01,853
Speaker 4: the batsman's getting to bat for a long time and

670
00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:05,773
Speaker 4: so they suddenly need a runner, and it's changed that rule,

671
00:40:05,813 --> 00:40:11,253
Speaker 4: hasn't it. So you know, I can see some down

672
00:40:11,293 --> 00:40:13,053
Speaker 4: the road things. I mean, I was at the Oval,

673
00:40:13,133 --> 00:40:17,053
Speaker 4: guys when I saw Chris Wolkes walking down those steps

674
00:40:17,813 --> 00:40:22,813
Speaker 4: with his arm and a sling underneath his jerseys, and

675
00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:28,773
Speaker 4: it didn't look great, I've got to say. But you know,

676
00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:32,373
Speaker 4: the team had kind of they needed him to get

677
00:40:32,413 --> 00:40:35,013
Speaker 4: over a little line. I only needed about a dozen runs,

678
00:40:35,013 --> 00:40:38,533
Speaker 4: ten runs, so tough for him. But there are lots

679
00:40:38,533 --> 00:40:41,053
Speaker 4: of moments when you've got to confront toughness in your life,

680
00:40:41,053 --> 00:40:41,453
Speaker 4: aren't they.

681
00:40:42,133 --> 00:40:42,373
Speaker 2: Yep?

682
00:40:44,053 --> 00:40:46,293
Speaker 4: I see a couple of problems with it. I think

683
00:40:46,293 --> 00:40:49,573
Speaker 4: teams will try and use it. I think there might

684
00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:51,333
Speaker 4: even be player where they would come up to an

685
00:40:51,373 --> 00:40:55,013
Speaker 4: important game they'll say, oh, Bill, it's a really important game.

686
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:57,613
Speaker 4: He's not quite ready, but he's bold once or twice

687
00:40:57,613 --> 00:40:59,813
Speaker 4: in the nuts. It's a little bit early for him,

688
00:40:59,933 --> 00:41:02,173
Speaker 4: but we know we can get a replacement and we'd

689
00:41:02,213 --> 00:41:06,493
Speaker 4: throw him in. You know, that's a possibility that teams

690
00:41:06,773 --> 00:41:10,613
Speaker 4: might think about. Now it all, you know, And I think,

691
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 4: like for light wats what does that mean?

692
00:41:13,693 --> 00:41:17,853
Speaker 3: Can I extend what you're just saying there? Jeria? I

693
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:21,933
Speaker 3: find these these tweaks, if that's what it is, or

694
00:41:22,013 --> 00:41:28,173
Speaker 3: these changes or these these changes which are being proposed

695
00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:35,293
Speaker 3: or in place. It's sort of an americanization of cricket.

696
00:41:35,773 --> 00:41:39,493
Speaker 3: You know, in baseball you have a pinch hitter. It's

697
00:41:39,573 --> 00:41:42,693
Speaker 3: it's sort of smacks of that a little bit, and

698
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:46,973
Speaker 3: you can sub people in and out, and that's fine. Baseball, wonderful,

699
00:41:47,013 --> 00:41:51,853
Speaker 3: wonderful sport. But yeah, that's baseball. Leave it. You know,

700
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:57,533
Speaker 3: NBA you can sub in and out and so on, football,

701
00:41:57,573 --> 00:42:01,373
Speaker 3: SoC soccer, football, But cricket is cricket, and it's been

702
00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:04,333
Speaker 3: around for a very very long time, and and it's

703
00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:07,773
Speaker 3: as you say, Jerry, it is a game of resilience

704
00:42:08,013 --> 00:42:11,133
Speaker 3: and roughness and some with luck. You know, if someone

705
00:42:11,173 --> 00:42:14,693
Speaker 3: comes down. That's why someone has a twelf man if

706
00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:18,133
Speaker 3: I remember, because they could come on and field. And

707
00:42:18,733 --> 00:42:20,493
Speaker 3: by the way, we all know that twelve men have

708
00:42:20,613 --> 00:42:24,693
Speaker 3: it from time been gamed as it work. But that's

709
00:42:24,733 --> 00:42:27,213
Speaker 3: the whole principle of it. And so why do we

710
00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:31,293
Speaker 3: need to change it. I don't change what's already been

711
00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,173
Speaker 3: pretty good for quite a long period of time. Would

712
00:42:33,213 --> 00:42:36,173
Speaker 3: be my sort of summation of that. And we should

713
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:38,573
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to be a silly old person

714
00:42:38,773 --> 00:42:41,053
Speaker 3: who doesn't like change. I quite like it. But I

715
00:42:41,053 --> 00:42:43,933
Speaker 3: think we love our game for what it is, and

716
00:42:43,973 --> 00:42:46,413
Speaker 3: we want to be a game which is special and

717
00:42:46,493 --> 00:42:50,093
Speaker 3: has its idiosyncrasies and its quirks and so on, and

718
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:52,093
Speaker 3: we should preserve that sort of stuff because that's what

719
00:42:52,173 --> 00:42:52,813
Speaker 3: makes it great.

720
00:42:53,453 --> 00:42:53,693
Speaker 6: Yeah.

721
00:42:53,773 --> 00:42:56,733
Speaker 2: I just wonder about the fact of a player being

722
00:42:56,773 --> 00:42:59,413
Speaker 2: injured in a game, and sometimes you get to a

723
00:42:59,413 --> 00:43:03,893
Speaker 2: situation that then becomes eleven against ten, and if somebody

724
00:43:03,893 --> 00:43:07,653
Speaker 2: breaks a leg, then I don't see why they shouldn't

725
00:43:07,693 --> 00:43:10,293
Speaker 2: be replaced in a like for like basis. And I

726
00:43:10,293 --> 00:43:12,453
Speaker 2: know what you say Jerry about you know what is

727
00:43:12,653 --> 00:43:14,693
Speaker 2: like for like you can't bring in a left arm

728
00:43:14,813 --> 00:43:22,053
Speaker 2: spinner who bowls chinaman against a past bowler because the

729
00:43:22,053 --> 00:43:27,973
Speaker 2: picture has changed dramatically in its shape and its form

730
00:43:28,733 --> 00:43:31,413
Speaker 2: two days into a game. So you know, but I

731
00:43:32,253 --> 00:43:34,373
Speaker 2: think sometimes it's a little unfair when you take a

732
00:43:34,413 --> 00:43:37,573
Speaker 2: bowler out of a side because he's broken a toe,

733
00:43:37,693 --> 00:43:41,573
Speaker 2: an arm, a leg or whatever and you leave.

734
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:42,493
Speaker 4: A side short.

735
00:43:42,573 --> 00:43:46,093
Speaker 2: That's the that's the area that I think needs to

736
00:43:46,133 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 2: be considered. Family bereavements, birth of children. Yeah, it's a

737
00:43:57,173 --> 00:43:59,333
Speaker 2: it's a minefield of an area, really, isn't it to

738
00:43:59,573 --> 00:44:03,253
Speaker 2: start discussing those sorts of things when you when you're

739
00:44:03,253 --> 00:44:06,293
Speaker 2: talking about social type issues.

740
00:44:06,613 --> 00:44:09,933
Speaker 4: Well, how many players do you carry around ones? If

741
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:12,853
Speaker 4: you're playing for Auckland and you're playing in Dunedin and

742
00:44:12,933 --> 00:44:17,093
Speaker 4: instead of twelve you take down eighteen players, airfares and

743
00:44:17,173 --> 00:44:22,813
Speaker 4: accommodation just to cover a like for like situation, Well,

744
00:44:22,893 --> 00:44:25,133
Speaker 4: you know, do you want another opener? Do you need

745
00:44:25,173 --> 00:44:28,133
Speaker 4: another opener? Is he left or right hand or a

746
00:44:28,213 --> 00:44:31,733
Speaker 4: quickie left or right arm spin of the same thing?

747
00:44:31,773 --> 00:44:35,133
Speaker 4: You need a keeper? Wouldn't you an extra keeper. What

748
00:44:35,253 --> 00:44:38,653
Speaker 4: about a stronger player of spin versus an opener? What

749
00:44:38,733 --> 00:44:42,173
Speaker 4: about a what about a Coney's playing or waddle? A

750
00:44:42,173 --> 00:44:44,453
Speaker 4: tall man and a short man because the bowlers have

751
00:44:44,493 --> 00:44:48,573
Speaker 4: to bowl different lengths. You know, I just kind of

752
00:44:48,653 --> 00:44:51,653
Speaker 4: don't you can go on about this. Can't you get

753
00:44:52,093 --> 00:44:56,253
Speaker 4: an inexperienced quick who takes wicket but gives up runs.

754
00:44:56,573 --> 00:44:58,973
Speaker 4: Or do you have an experienced guy who bowls long

755
00:44:59,013 --> 00:45:01,613
Speaker 4: spells and has to work hard for his wickets? Or

756
00:45:01,693 --> 00:45:04,453
Speaker 4: you get a slips fielder who feels in close or

757
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:07,653
Speaker 4: a dynamic backward point who races around the boundary and

758
00:45:07,733 --> 00:45:11,253
Speaker 4: runs people out. You know, you could go on and

759
00:45:11,413 --> 00:45:16,373
Speaker 4: on about light for like, So I personally think you've

760
00:45:16,373 --> 00:45:19,533
Speaker 4: got twelve people who play the game. You name it

761
00:45:19,573 --> 00:45:23,133
Speaker 4: at the start. If someone is injured, in comes the

762
00:45:23,173 --> 00:45:26,253
Speaker 4: twelfth man. So it's not even pretending to be light

763
00:45:26,373 --> 00:45:30,213
Speaker 4: for like. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't. If you

764
00:45:30,293 --> 00:45:33,893
Speaker 4: really have to do this, it's a player out and

765
00:45:34,013 --> 00:45:38,493
Speaker 4: another body in, and the and the side just do

766
00:45:38,613 --> 00:45:41,453
Speaker 4: their best in a bad situation that they didn't want.

767
00:45:41,813 --> 00:45:44,453
Speaker 4: You might get a spinner and a green seemer. You

768
00:45:44,533 --> 00:45:47,533
Speaker 4: might get, you know, a number nine coming in for

769
00:45:47,573 --> 00:45:51,573
Speaker 4: a top order batsman. That's just that's what happened. I mean,

770
00:45:51,613 --> 00:45:56,693
Speaker 4: that's the game. And I'm afraid fingers can be meant hamstrings,

771
00:45:57,053 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 4: stretch more, get more, but to switch between overs, do

772
00:46:01,053 --> 00:46:04,493
Speaker 4: it before play. Get fitter so that you can bowl

773
00:46:04,493 --> 00:46:08,933
Speaker 4: that fifth spell. You know, fingers and hands can be fixed.

774
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:11,213
Speaker 4: You go out, your eyes it up, you get things

775
00:46:11,253 --> 00:46:13,333
Speaker 4: you put it. I played a whole series with a

776
00:46:13,413 --> 00:46:16,493
Speaker 4: metal sleeve over a broken finger. That these are just

777
00:46:16,533 --> 00:46:19,333
Speaker 4: some of the things that the game provides for you.

778
00:46:19,893 --> 00:46:22,373
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, I was never good enough to play at

779
00:46:22,413 --> 00:46:25,533
Speaker 2: the level that you guys played at. And there wouldn't

780
00:46:25,573 --> 00:46:28,813
Speaker 2: be a like for like in terms of me anyway, so.

781
00:46:30,333 --> 00:46:33,253
Speaker 4: You know you would.

782
00:46:32,653 --> 00:46:35,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was one of a kind. But

783
00:46:35,933 --> 00:46:38,733
Speaker 2: I knew how to poor drinks, so I might have

784
00:46:38,813 --> 00:46:44,133
Speaker 2: got that job like for like most who was like you.

785
00:46:44,453 --> 00:46:47,653
Speaker 4: Well that's the that's the insue. See, no one is

786
00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:48,813
Speaker 4: like anybody else.

787
00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:53,973
Speaker 3: Well well, and and I recall I did Mafair Stint's

788
00:46:54,013 --> 00:46:58,133
Speaker 3: twelve man over over over the time, and and I

789
00:46:58,213 --> 00:47:01,573
Speaker 3: and I bought, I bought a certain certain style to

790
00:47:01,653 --> 00:47:05,773
Speaker 3: all of that. And but you know, you were part

791
00:47:05,813 --> 00:47:08,133
Speaker 3: of the team. But it was tough man and and

792
00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:09,933
Speaker 3: and you're part of the team, but it were an

793
00:47:09,933 --> 00:47:12,853
Speaker 3: important part because you had a role to play. And

794
00:47:13,053 --> 00:47:16,333
Speaker 3: that was the way it was. We swatched it around

795
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,773
Speaker 3: with old Badger when I was there, Badger being brand

796
00:47:18,813 --> 00:47:21,373
Speaker 3: seed all of course he's he was there sometimes but

797
00:47:21,493 --> 00:47:24,133
Speaker 3: always up for it. No, that was a great great

798
00:47:24,373 --> 00:47:26,053
Speaker 3: that's the great thing about the sport. I love it.

799
00:47:26,333 --> 00:47:29,133
Speaker 3: And just very quickly, I think Jerry referred to you

800
00:47:29,173 --> 00:47:32,053
Speaker 3: as being short, but I've always considered you very tall

801
00:47:32,133 --> 00:47:32,693
Speaker 3: for your height.

802
00:47:34,973 --> 00:47:36,213
Speaker 2: You know what, I was just going to suggest I

803
00:47:36,293 --> 00:47:38,373
Speaker 2: might be able to sit on your shoulders while I'm

804
00:47:38,373 --> 00:47:40,213
Speaker 2: betting you know exactly.

805
00:47:40,893 --> 00:47:43,013
Speaker 4: I was making a point, Fellas, that's all.

806
00:47:44,333 --> 00:47:47,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very harsh moves. I mean, Jerry wouldn't say

807
00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:54,373
Speaker 2: things like that. Oh well, never mind, And just a

808
00:47:54,453 --> 00:47:59,093
Speaker 2: quick word on you, said Badger, Brian Seedable. He would

809
00:47:59,133 --> 00:48:02,653
Speaker 2: have destroyed more boundary fences and advertising hoardings than any

810
00:48:02,693 --> 00:48:03,973
Speaker 2: of you two put together, wouldn't he.

811
00:48:04,773 --> 00:48:07,613
Speaker 3: Oh look, I think that with the bringing bringing the

812
00:48:07,733 --> 00:48:11,413
Speaker 3: ropes in the these days, the games lost something not

813
00:48:11,413 --> 00:48:15,493
Speaker 3: to have, not to have Brian careering into into the

814
00:48:16,333 --> 00:48:21,733
Speaker 3: picket fence or worse still, the hill at Pukakura Park,

815
00:48:21,853 --> 00:48:25,613
Speaker 3: which I think did take some damage from time to

816
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 3: time from Brian. Yes, yeah, a courageous man sometimes would

817
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,413
Speaker 3: have thought. But we loved him dearly and still do.

818
00:48:35,573 --> 00:48:38,293
Speaker 4: I remember an even park. You know, there's that little

819
00:48:39,573 --> 00:48:42,333
Speaker 4: that little concrete wall and above it there were these

820
00:48:42,453 --> 00:48:47,533
Speaker 4: metal railings with pailings going down. We had to go

821
00:48:47,613 --> 00:48:54,293
Speaker 4: and remove his head from between those two of those posts.

822
00:48:55,413 --> 00:48:58,173
Speaker 4: That was extraordinary how he managed he was he was

823
00:48:58,213 --> 00:49:00,893
Speaker 4: stuck just with Thish facing the wrong way.

824
00:49:02,413 --> 00:49:02,573
Speaker 3: Out.

825
00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:06,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were actually transplanting heads in those days.

826
00:49:06,853 --> 00:49:12,293
Speaker 4: That was great. I mean, come along, get his brother on.

827
00:49:13,773 --> 00:49:16,893
Speaker 4: That'd all be lined up beside each other in the

828
00:49:16,973 --> 00:49:17,613
Speaker 4: end of the match.

829
00:49:19,973 --> 00:49:23,813
Speaker 2: Yes, there are some stories about the fielding antics and

830
00:49:23,933 --> 00:49:29,293
Speaker 2: the outfield antics of Brian Seedable, and there are many

831
00:49:29,373 --> 00:49:31,493
Speaker 2: other cricketers these days. I'm sure that we can talk

832
00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:36,613
Speaker 2: about in terms of their commitment to more than one

833
00:49:36,653 --> 00:49:41,933
Speaker 2: hundred percent, even if you can get more than Yes, gentlemen,

834
00:49:41,933 --> 00:49:45,173
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Lovely to talk to you. As

835
00:49:45,173 --> 00:49:48,853
Speaker 2: I say, we'll talk women's cricket next week. But nice

836
00:49:48,893 --> 00:49:53,053
Speaker 2: to have been able to get your view on substitutions.

837
00:49:54,533 --> 00:49:55,973
Speaker 2: You can pop off and have a game of golf. Now,

838
00:49:55,973 --> 00:49:58,413
Speaker 2: if you like Most and Jerry, you can go and

839
00:49:58,613 --> 00:50:03,693
Speaker 2: read up on the history of women's cricket.

840
00:50:04,533 --> 00:50:07,733
Speaker 3: I bid you farewell from Portsy Golf Club, where it's

841
00:50:07,733 --> 00:50:10,333
Speaker 3: a tru for Wendy and therefore maybe a little bit

842
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:11,053
Speaker 3: challenging for.

843
00:50:11,413 --> 00:50:16,133
Speaker 4: Vulnerable low moose. Get that number two or number one

844
00:50:16,173 --> 00:50:18,613
Speaker 4: out to get them below the wounds.

845
00:50:19,013 --> 00:50:23,333
Speaker 3: Only God can play a one eye and I never

846
00:50:23,573 --> 00:50:24,453
Speaker 3: never professed to be.

847
00:50:24,693 --> 00:50:27,173
Speaker 4: When you take the two, you take the two.

848
00:50:28,573 --> 00:50:39,173
Speaker 8: Good luck boy, Thanks very much, all the ages of Summers.

849
00:50:45,733 --> 00:50:48,373
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