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Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney,

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Speaker 2: Hello, back on the front foot again. Another week of

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Speaker 2: celebration for our top teams. This week a different celebration

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Speaker 2: for one of the games celebrities and characters. TMS commentator

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Speaker 2: my household name for cricket followers the world over Eggers.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan egg You has of the partial retirement. Sadly we

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Speaker 2: don't hear enough of him as England Test cricket doesn't

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Speaker 2: winter months, but Eggers will still be heard. Clearly, he

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Speaker 2: can't walk away all together. He's giving away the cricket

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Speaker 2: correspondent role, which is the journalist side of the job,

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Speaker 2: and Eggers has time to join on the front four

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Speaker 2: this week soon brought on the decisions.

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Speaker 5: It's very nice to be with you both again, I

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Speaker 5: must say that, well, it was kind of a mutual thing,

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Speaker 5: I think. I mean that there are two parts for

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Speaker 5: the job that I've been doing all these years, and

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Speaker 5: that the first part is obviously presenting and commentating on

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Speaker 5: Test Match Special, which is the you know, the program

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Speaker 5: that goes on for days covering test matches predominantly but

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Speaker 6: So I you know, I present that.

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Speaker 5: But the second part of the job is what they

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Speaker 5: rather pompously called BBC Cricket Correspondent, and that is the

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Speaker 5: person who is on call all of the time basically

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Speaker 5: to respond to well from from deaths down to groin strings.

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Speaker 6: And you know, it's it's it's look, it's it's it's.

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Speaker 5: Not an arduous job as such, but it does you know,

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Speaker 5: being on call that does does take its toll. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, when I was younger, number of school runs

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Speaker 6: You've got to go dashing up.

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Speaker 5: Because it's a media you know, it's like on the radio,

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Speaker 5: And so that plus the fact that if I'm honest,

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Speaker 7: International sport had a big meaning for me, and I

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Speaker 6: And I watched them.

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Speaker 5: and try and thrash the ball all over the place,

434
00:23:43,853 --> 00:23:48,493
Speaker 5: and they've got they've got to knuckle down. You cannot

435
00:23:48,573 --> 00:23:54,293
Speaker 5: play Test cricket at that pace and be consistent. You

436
00:23:54,373 --> 00:23:57,253
Speaker 5: could win some games and you can have some really

437
00:23:57,333 --> 00:24:02,013
Speaker 5: exciting defeats, but that doesn't help you win series. And

438
00:24:02,173 --> 00:24:04,013
Speaker 5: so I'll be very easy to see because actually it

439
00:24:04,093 --> 00:24:07,253
Speaker 5: looks like New Zealand actually playing because you were the

440
00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:10,093
Speaker 5: first fellows actually just to come up against bas Ball

441
00:24:10,133 --> 00:24:12,693
Speaker 5: when England but really were in them a couple of

442
00:24:12,773 --> 00:24:15,373
Speaker 5: years ago and came out fighting and Johnny Bearstow and

443
00:24:15,413 --> 00:24:19,893
Speaker 5: all that, and you know New Zealand copped it. So

444
00:24:20,013 --> 00:24:21,733
Speaker 5: whether they've taken a bit of it on board and

445
00:24:21,813 --> 00:24:25,413
Speaker 5: actually implemented it rather more sensibly than England have done.

446
00:24:25,453 --> 00:24:29,653
Speaker 5: England one trick pony and you cannot win Test series.

447
00:24:29,653 --> 00:24:31,373
Speaker 5: We're not going to go to Australia this time next

448
00:24:31,453 --> 00:24:33,573
Speaker 5: year and win the Ashes by being one trick ponies

449
00:24:33,853 --> 00:24:36,013
Speaker 5: Who've got India at home next summer again a very

450
00:24:36,093 --> 00:24:39,613
Speaker 5: tough series. They've got to learn to adapt and they've

451
00:24:39,693 --> 00:24:42,613
Speaker 5: got to be less stubborn. And for all that McCullum

452
00:24:43,013 --> 00:24:48,733
Speaker 5: and Ben Stokes are very putting the right words here,

453
00:24:48,733 --> 00:24:51,693
Speaker 5: I mean there are naturally free spirits. I think it's

454
00:24:51,733 --> 00:24:55,133
Speaker 5: fair to say about Brendan we've got a very easy

455
00:24:55,253 --> 00:24:59,013
Speaker 5: way with people. He's incredibly relaxed with people. He puts

456
00:24:59,373 --> 00:25:04,373
Speaker 5: players at ease. He's also incredibly stubborn, and so is

457
00:25:04,413 --> 00:25:07,333
Speaker 5: Ben Stokes. So you've got two people there who will

458
00:25:07,413 --> 00:25:10,373
Speaker 5: not take a step back. They will not even if

459
00:25:10,413 --> 00:25:13,213
Speaker 5: you if you show them every defeat. You look at

460
00:25:13,253 --> 00:25:16,173
Speaker 5: that game in multi in Islamabad that I watched two

461
00:25:16,173 --> 00:25:18,933
Speaker 5: weeks ago and say that was pathetic for a Test

462
00:25:18,973 --> 00:25:20,293
Speaker 5: team to capitulate like that.

463
00:25:20,453 --> 00:25:21,973
Speaker 6: What are you going to do about it? Oh, that's

464
00:25:22,013 --> 00:25:23,453
Speaker 6: the way we play, you know.

465
00:25:23,733 --> 00:25:27,493
Speaker 5: They shut up, shut up, because if that's the way

466
00:25:27,533 --> 00:25:29,773
Speaker 5: you play, you're not going to win, you know it,

467
00:25:29,933 --> 00:25:30,613
Speaker 5: just you know.

468
00:25:30,773 --> 00:25:32,973
Speaker 6: So that's that. I'll be very interesting once and I

469
00:25:33,013 --> 00:25:34,613
Speaker 6: wish I was coming over to see this series. I

470
00:25:34,653 --> 00:25:35,693
Speaker 6: think it'll be a very interesting one.

471
00:25:36,613 --> 00:25:39,733
Speaker 5: But they they have got to sort their minds out

472
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:43,893
Speaker 5: and got to get much more clarity and frankly a

473
00:25:43,973 --> 00:25:46,573
Speaker 5: bit more maturity about the way they go about playing

474
00:25:46,573 --> 00:25:47,093
Speaker 5: Test cricket.

475
00:25:47,933 --> 00:25:51,613
Speaker 7: Surely Eggers that the people, the fans, if you like,

476
00:25:51,733 --> 00:25:57,693
Speaker 7: of Tiste cricket, they're not fools. They they understand that

477
00:25:57,813 --> 00:26:01,253
Speaker 7: there will be times when it's going to be difficult

478
00:26:01,333 --> 00:26:04,893
Speaker 7: to score the run rate they might like to be scoring.

479
00:26:06,653 --> 00:26:11,493
Speaker 7: And it seems to me after watching the Indians, they

480
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:14,853
Speaker 7: now trust their attack more than they do their defense.

481
00:26:15,813 --> 00:26:20,533
Speaker 7: So simply put, they prefer a reverse suite than they

482
00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:21,853
Speaker 7: do to a forward defense.

483
00:26:23,213 --> 00:26:25,733
Speaker 6: And so you lose.

484
00:26:25,813 --> 00:26:30,773
Speaker 7: Wickets quite quickly and in clumps at times. And there's

485
00:26:30,893 --> 00:26:33,493
Speaker 7: never a time when you could see a bowler off

486
00:26:34,253 --> 00:26:38,293
Speaker 7: because a he's bowling well or the ball is getting softer,

487
00:26:39,013 --> 00:26:43,693
Speaker 7: or whatever the reason might be. That never enters their

488
00:26:43,813 --> 00:26:48,493
Speaker 7: thought process, it seems now and patience might be another word.

489
00:26:50,253 --> 00:26:56,533
Speaker 3: So all those twenty twenty players who commit to it.

490
00:26:58,613 --> 00:27:01,013
Speaker 7: Are putting their defensive skills that they are going to

491
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:05,013
Speaker 7: be required in a Test match format basically in the

492
00:27:05,093 --> 00:27:10,533
Speaker 7: spare bedroom with the old furniture and so. And it

493
00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:13,333
Speaker 7: is so obvious they all they want to do is

494
00:27:13,373 --> 00:27:16,613
Speaker 7: a tech and they keep getting out, especially when you

495
00:27:16,733 --> 00:27:19,013
Speaker 7: get on a pitch that's doing something. If New Zealand

496
00:27:19,493 --> 00:27:23,093
Speaker 7: want to beat England, make the pitchers do something. It's

497
00:27:23,253 --> 00:27:25,853
Speaker 7: quite obvious that if you want to play on a

498
00:27:25,973 --> 00:27:28,253
Speaker 7: road they get eight hundred, as they did in the

499
00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:31,533
Speaker 7: first Test match. But as soon as the ball starts

500
00:27:31,653 --> 00:27:34,373
Speaker 7: doing something and you've got a reasonable bowl who's tight,

501
00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:38,893
Speaker 7: that's when they start changing the game. But then they

502
00:27:39,053 --> 00:27:40,853
Speaker 7: revert to their philosophy.

503
00:27:41,653 --> 00:27:43,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's possible in

504
00:27:43,093 --> 00:27:46,613
Speaker 5: New Zealand, but if you could create some pictures of spin,

505
00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:50,773
Speaker 5: given how well your spinner's bowl in India and how

506
00:27:51,613 --> 00:27:56,133
Speaker 5: badly English match and play against spin, and English spinners

507
00:27:56,173 --> 00:27:58,493
Speaker 5: aren't great either, to be honest, there we've got Basha

508
00:27:58,533 --> 00:28:02,173
Speaker 5: who's learning Jack Leech's very steady. That would be my

509
00:28:02,333 --> 00:28:05,053
Speaker 5: formula for beating England in New Zealand. I don't think

510
00:28:05,053 --> 00:28:06,853
Speaker 5: it's that easy, especially that time of year, to produce

511
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:09,373
Speaker 5: those sort of pictures there. But but you're right in

512
00:28:09,453 --> 00:28:14,853
Speaker 5: that the defense is seen as boring and it's all

513
00:28:14,933 --> 00:28:18,813
Speaker 5: about seizing the initiative, putting a putting a opponent on

514
00:28:18,853 --> 00:28:20,853
Speaker 5: the back foot. Well, you can put your opponent on

515
00:28:20,893 --> 00:28:23,613
Speaker 5: the back foot by playing a really tight, solid, defensive,

516
00:28:23,853 --> 00:28:27,333
Speaker 5: count counter counter defensive game, can't you. You suddenly what

517
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:29,133
Speaker 5: where the wicket's going from? Now they're five down a

518
00:28:29,173 --> 00:28:30,853
Speaker 5: minute ago, but now they put on they put one

519
00:28:30,933 --> 00:28:33,053
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty in three hours.

520
00:28:33,653 --> 00:28:35,773
Speaker 6: You know where the next week it goes that that

521
00:28:35,973 --> 00:28:36,613
Speaker 6: game's gone.

522
00:28:36,773 --> 00:28:40,413
Speaker 5: And what worries me, Jerry, we're heading, we're hurtling towards

523
00:28:40,453 --> 00:28:43,853
Speaker 5: four day Test cricket because the games simply aren't lasting

524
00:28:43,933 --> 00:28:46,733
Speaker 5: five days anymore. And the great news about that we

525
00:28:46,813 --> 00:28:49,133
Speaker 5: can we can squeeze in. We can the series can

526
00:28:49,173 --> 00:28:53,013
Speaker 5: be shorter, we can squeeze in some more t twenties.

527
00:28:53,053 --> 00:28:54,693
Speaker 5: That would be good to the fans will love that.

528
00:28:55,093 --> 00:28:57,493
Speaker 5: But it's a shame because people do get frustrated and

529
00:28:59,173 --> 00:29:01,533
Speaker 5: sometimes out doing this job, you do gain a little

530
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:05,733
Speaker 5: bit of smug satisfaction when at the start of all

531
00:29:05,773 --> 00:29:10,093
Speaker 5: this I undersand others this is great, but it can't continue.

532
00:29:10,453 --> 00:29:12,173
Speaker 5: This is great, but we're losing games.

533
00:29:12,653 --> 00:29:13,453
Speaker 6: This is great, but.

534
00:29:13,453 --> 00:29:15,453
Speaker 5: They've got to sharpen up. They go, this is great,

535
00:29:15,493 --> 00:29:17,373
Speaker 5: but they've got to play with some common sense. And

536
00:29:17,493 --> 00:29:20,693
Speaker 5: you get slagged off on social media. You're old fashioned,

537
00:29:20,973 --> 00:29:22,773
Speaker 5: you don't know what you're talking about. You know, go

538
00:29:23,253 --> 00:29:24,973
Speaker 5: back to you whatever, you know, go back to your

539
00:29:25,053 --> 00:29:28,653
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies. And then two years later people saying on

540
00:29:28,813 --> 00:29:30,853
Speaker 5: social media, god, this is hopeless. How they lose in

541
00:29:30,893 --> 00:29:32,493
Speaker 5: two and half days. They can't keep playing like this.

542
00:29:33,573 --> 00:29:35,573
Speaker 5: And then and you sit there and say, yeah, well

543
00:29:35,653 --> 00:29:38,573
Speaker 5: we told you that two years ago. But unfortunately those

544
00:29:38,613 --> 00:29:42,373
Speaker 5: England teams still they've got this mantra. They've determined that

545
00:29:42,373 --> 00:29:44,853
Speaker 5: they're going to play this way. And I say because

546
00:29:44,893 --> 00:29:49,093
Speaker 5: Brendan and Ben are so stubborn and they've got all

547
00:29:49,173 --> 00:29:51,853
Speaker 5: the power. They've got all the power. You know, there's

548
00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:54,613
Speaker 5: there's no real checks and balances there to say, hang

549
00:29:54,653 --> 00:29:58,013
Speaker 5: on a minute, this ain't working. You know, what happened

550
00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:00,093
Speaker 5: there in Islamabad was a disgrace.

551
00:30:03,333 --> 00:30:04,933
Speaker 6: There's no one there to do it. And so.

552
00:30:06,533 --> 00:30:08,933
Speaker 5: Well, we'll see, I mean Brendan's work mirror at the

553
00:30:08,973 --> 00:30:10,573
Speaker 5: start of this to see if he works miracles with

554
00:30:10,613 --> 00:30:11,973
Speaker 5: the white ball, because they need a bit of that

555
00:30:12,053 --> 00:30:14,413
Speaker 5: as well with the Champions trophie coming up. But you know,

556
00:30:15,373 --> 00:30:17,373
Speaker 5: I'm not going to criticize McCallum because I think when

557
00:30:17,373 --> 00:30:20,013
Speaker 5: he came in at exactly the right moment, he did

558
00:30:20,093 --> 00:30:21,053
Speaker 5: exactly the right thing.

559
00:30:21,093 --> 00:30:21,373
Speaker 6: He came in.

560
00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:24,093
Speaker 5: He's a breath of fresh air. It's a lovely bloke, isn't.

561
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:29,213
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. But they they've just got to be

562
00:30:29,293 --> 00:30:33,253
Speaker 5: they've got to settle down and just to try and

563
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:37,213
Speaker 5: try and play a more responsible, more common sense sort

564
00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:39,253
Speaker 5: of the game. They've got the skills, they've got the shots,

565
00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:41,133
Speaker 5: they've got all of that. In their mind they can

566
00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:43,293
Speaker 5: play that way, and the Opotents know they can take

567
00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:45,893
Speaker 5: them apart. But for goodness sake, when the need requires,

568
00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:47,533
Speaker 5: just just play a different game.

569
00:30:48,453 --> 00:30:54,173
Speaker 7: M just a quick one. Following it would be how

570
00:30:54,293 --> 00:30:59,133
Speaker 7: much is the mithard of the selection of players? You

571
00:30:59,213 --> 00:31:02,533
Speaker 7: know they are effectively, it seems from here to be

572
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:08,093
Speaker 7: bypassing the County Championship performances. Yes, so they search, they

573
00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:12,653
Speaker 7: itch for characteristics of a player. He's tall, he bolts vast,

574
00:31:12,933 --> 00:31:17,333
Speaker 7: he's left arm or whatever it is, rather than performance,

575
00:31:17,413 --> 00:31:19,693
Speaker 7: and so you get the Bushiers who don't he's not

576
00:31:19,773 --> 00:31:22,973
Speaker 7: selected for the account. You get the Josh Hulls who's

577
00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:25,493
Speaker 7: only played a handful of matches but he's tall and

578
00:31:25,573 --> 00:31:30,173
Speaker 7: left arm and might swing it. You get folks keeping

579
00:31:30,213 --> 00:31:34,373
Speaker 7: wicket for Surrey. But Smith is the England keeper. Now

580
00:31:34,453 --> 00:31:39,533
Speaker 7: it's going to be Jordan Cox. You know, it's the

581
00:31:39,653 --> 00:31:45,853
Speaker 7: County Championship. Is its relationship just losing a relationship with

582
00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:47,853
Speaker 7: the English English side?

583
00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:50,693
Speaker 5: It isn't the moment, You're absolutely right, So they are.

584
00:31:50,853 --> 00:31:54,733
Speaker 5: They are plucking people out, and you know, I think

585
00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:57,213
Speaker 5: I think that it's it's sad on a number of fronts.

586
00:31:57,213 --> 00:31:59,093
Speaker 5: I think it's sad for those one or two of

587
00:31:59,093 --> 00:32:01,773
Speaker 5: those players when Jamie Smith had a success. I think overall,

588
00:32:01,773 --> 00:32:04,013
Speaker 5: I think he's coming and done well, but he wasn't

589
00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:05,893
Speaker 5: the first choice we could keeper in his own county.

590
00:32:06,293 --> 00:32:08,293
Speaker 5: Basher is learning. I think I think he'll be all right.

591
00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:09,573
Speaker 5: I think you're like the look of bust Year. I

592
00:32:09,573 --> 00:32:11,853
Speaker 5: think I think you're thinking can bowl. But he's hardly

593
00:32:11,933 --> 00:32:13,613
Speaker 5: played and of course he couldn't get in the county

594
00:32:13,693 --> 00:32:16,333
Speaker 5: side because of Jack Leech, who was in the spin.

595
00:32:16,413 --> 00:32:18,693
Speaker 6: I mean the politics aside is daft.

596
00:32:19,173 --> 00:32:22,653
Speaker 5: Josh Hull bless him, twenty years old, left arm seemer

597
00:32:22,693 --> 00:32:25,173
Speaker 5: from Leicestershire. I saw James Taylor the other day. He

598
00:32:25,293 --> 00:32:28,213
Speaker 5: might remember a little titch who played for England and

599
00:32:28,293 --> 00:32:31,253
Speaker 5: had his heart problems. He's now coach at Leicestershire. I

600
00:32:31,293 --> 00:32:33,333
Speaker 5: saw him out in about a week or so ago

601
00:32:33,373 --> 00:32:34,973
Speaker 5: and I said, what's going on? He said, mate, he said,

602
00:32:34,973 --> 00:32:37,613
Speaker 5: it's a joke that lad con in getting our first team.

603
00:32:37,653 --> 00:32:40,293
Speaker 5: He average is sixty five in first class cricket. Next

604
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,373
Speaker 5: thing is lumbering in playing in a Test match at

605
00:32:42,373 --> 00:32:44,533
Speaker 5: the Oval. He's got He hasn't got his own game

606
00:32:44,693 --> 00:32:47,573
Speaker 5: sorted out at all. He's got no idea what to

607
00:32:47,653 --> 00:32:49,133
Speaker 5: do when he's under a bit of pressure. It's on

608
00:32:49,253 --> 00:32:49,693
Speaker 5: his fold.

609
00:32:49,813 --> 00:32:53,213
Speaker 6: I just thought that was a really really bad selection.

610
00:32:52,933 --> 00:32:56,733
Speaker 5: And an unkind selection, and a selection that's trying to

611
00:32:56,813 --> 00:32:59,373
Speaker 5: prove actually, we're a bit clever, you know, we can,

612
00:32:59,413 --> 00:33:01,053
Speaker 5: we can, we can, we can pick these people.

613
00:33:01,173 --> 00:33:01,293
Speaker 7: You know.

614
00:33:01,573 --> 00:33:03,213
Speaker 6: Well, that was a bad one. That was a dud.

615
00:33:04,653 --> 00:33:06,133
Speaker 6: And I hope, I hope he hasn't finished him.

616
00:33:06,173 --> 00:33:08,173
Speaker 5: He probably has got a bit of talent, but it's

617
00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:10,133
Speaker 5: not good enough to be playing in a Test match

618
00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:12,933
Speaker 5: at the moment. So but the integrity of County crig

619
00:33:12,973 --> 00:33:14,573
Speaker 5: is important, isn't it. I mean, if you're a professional

620
00:33:14,613 --> 00:33:17,653
Speaker 5: cricketer and I felt this during the eighties, didn't have

621
00:33:17,733 --> 00:33:22,133
Speaker 5: central contracts and everything, your goal was to play for England.

622
00:33:22,253 --> 00:33:24,653
Speaker 5: That was your driving ambition was to play for England.

623
00:33:25,053 --> 00:33:28,213
Speaker 5: And that drove you on on a Wednesday afternoon in

624
00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:30,973
Speaker 5: Cardiff when you thought, hang on if I gets a

625
00:33:31,013 --> 00:33:32,493
Speaker 5: wicket so that I could be playing for England in

626
00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:35,493
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. You know, it's that motivator and

627
00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:39,813
Speaker 5: people being selected on merit, because if you're not selected

628
00:33:39,853 --> 00:33:41,853
Speaker 5: on merit, what is the point of selection?

629
00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:45,973
Speaker 6: You know, you have to have integrity of selection.

630
00:33:46,093 --> 00:33:49,413
Speaker 5: And that again is something that you know always has

631
00:33:49,453 --> 00:33:52,373
Speaker 5: always burnt fiercely with me because when I was playing there.

632
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:53,893
Speaker 6: There were a lot of fast bowlers.

633
00:33:54,373 --> 00:33:58,453
Speaker 5: We're all the same sort of ability, really, and I

634
00:33:58,613 --> 00:34:01,213
Speaker 5: never minded if I wasn't picked, if someone who I

635
00:34:01,253 --> 00:34:03,173
Speaker 5: thought was at least as good as me, if not better,

636
00:34:03,293 --> 00:34:05,093
Speaker 5: was picked. But when they started picking people, you think, hang,

637
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:09,413
Speaker 5: I'm better than him. You know, you just just lose

638
00:34:09,573 --> 00:34:14,173
Speaker 5: faith in the selection process. And therefore that that eats away,

639
00:34:14,213 --> 00:34:16,213
Speaker 5: doesn't it. And that's where ing's got to be really careful.

640
00:34:16,213 --> 00:34:20,933
Speaker 5: They've got it right with Janie Smith. He's a good cricketer. Yeah,

641
00:34:21,173 --> 00:34:23,573
Speaker 5: he dropped. He made a couple of mistakes at Pakistan,

642
00:34:23,693 --> 00:34:25,973
Speaker 5: but that's not the easiest place to keep wicket on

643
00:34:26,173 --> 00:34:28,053
Speaker 5: on the pictures that they gave us. In the end,

644
00:34:29,373 --> 00:34:31,253
Speaker 5: he will be okay, He'll go to Australia and he

645
00:34:31,253 --> 00:34:33,933
Speaker 5: will probably baut seven, I would think, and and he

646
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:36,973
Speaker 5: will be very positive And yeah, I think he's a

647
00:34:37,013 --> 00:34:37,373
Speaker 5: good pick.

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Speaker 6: I think Bashia will eventually be a good pick.

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Speaker 5: At the moment, he's only what twenty one learning how

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Speaker 5: to bowl spin, so he's been put under a lot

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Speaker 5: of pressure in that very very short time.

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Speaker 6: But you know, dear ol Hull bless him. I mean

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Speaker 6: that was just a totally random selection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we'll get a chance to have a look

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Speaker 2: at some of the suppliers when they get out here

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Speaker 2: to newdel and sadly we won't get a chance to

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Speaker 2: talk to you.

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Speaker 6: You can always dial me up any time your life.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, we certainly will, but.

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Speaker 6: Let's just look a time difference out first.

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Speaker 2: That's fair enough. But we've always enjoyed your company out here.

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Speaker 2: I'll never see the drifters in the same life as

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Speaker 2: I saw them with you in Hamilton one night, but

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Speaker 2: it's a whole different story which we.

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Speaker 6: Haven't got time to deal with.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for what you've done in terms of

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Speaker 2: covering cricket in New Zealand, but also your time worth TMS.

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Speaker 2: It's not over it. You've still got a bit of

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Speaker 2: work ahead of you. You'll be in Australia for the Ashes,

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Speaker 2: won't you.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I will, Yes, definitely, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Well, you might get a chance to come out to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. But thanks for your time this week and

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Speaker 2: we will take the opportunity to talk to you again.

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Speaker 6: Let us speak to you both, take care of summer.

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