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Speaker 1: We have yet another urgent why Kungi Tribunal hearing, this

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Speaker 1: time challenging where the Maori born overseas and their kids

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Speaker 1: born overseas have an automatic right to citizenship in New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: even in cases where others would not be entitled to it.

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Speaker 1: Now the claim was brought by John Ruddick. We've spoken

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Speaker 1: to him on this show, and it was supported by

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Speaker 1: the actress Keisha Castle Hughes, who's been there for the

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Speaker 1: past two days. Keisha, Hello, Cure, So what happened with you?

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Speaker 1: Is it that your daughter didn't automatically get citizenship because

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Speaker 1: both you and she were born overseas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is correct. So because I was born overseas

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Speaker 2: to a Mary mother and an Australian father, I have

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Speaker 2: citizenship by descent. And as it currently stands, once you

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Speaker 2: have citizenships by descent, you can't pass that on to

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Speaker 2: your tamariki unless you tamariki are born in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: And so then you came back here, did you try

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Speaker 1: to apply citizenship apply for citizenship here for her?

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Speaker 2: Initially I applied for a passport when my daughter was

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Speaker 2: born in twenty twenty one, and that was the first

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Speaker 2: kind of instance that I was. I realized that she

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Speaker 2: didn't have an access way to citizenship, and then from

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Speaker 2: there it's been a very long winding road with the

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Speaker 2: Department of Internal Affairs and she's now almost four and

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Speaker 2: a half and we've just three weeks ago and granted

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Speaker 2: her New Zealand citizenship.

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Speaker 1: And is that because the Minister intervened?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was because the Minister intervened.

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Speaker 1: I believe Why did the Minister have to intervene? Like

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Speaker 1: could you would not? Was there not a pathway for

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Speaker 1: you where you would simply go through the same process

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Speaker 1: as anybody else applying for citizenship, waiting the five years

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Speaker 1: and then getting it.

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Speaker 2: The petition to the minister is a pathway. So that

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Speaker 2: was the pathway that I was on. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 2: at the Minister's discretion. However, there's there's no the timeline.

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Speaker 2: There was no timeline to that, as it's kind of

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Speaker 2: a case by case situation. But the reason that I

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Speaker 2: had other MPs reach out to the minister directly because

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Speaker 2: we were on a tricky time crunch because we had

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Speaker 2: relocated back to New Zealand and my daughter was in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand on a tourist FEVA, so I only had

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Speaker 2: a limit of time that she'd be able.

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Speaker 1: To be in the kind of I see okay. So

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Speaker 1: had it been in other circumstances, you would have been

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Speaker 1: able to follow the normal part. Like, it's not like

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Speaker 1: she's cut off altogether, right, she would have eventually been

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Speaker 1: able to get citizenship.

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Speaker 2: No, she didn't have she had no direct pathway to citizenship.

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Speaker 2: So because there's no pathway for citizens of descent for

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Speaker 2: their children unless their children are born in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I see okay. Now, so what is your argument

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Speaker 1: to the tribunal? Are you basically arguing that tongue tafena

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Speaker 1: would deserve special access to citizenship not.

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Speaker 2: Necessarily special access? But there's not clear verbient within the

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Speaker 2: submission as it currently said that fucker puppa pathways, that

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Speaker 2: there is an act. You know, there's not a way

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Speaker 2: to quantify a fuck a pupa pathway, and so it's

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Speaker 2: you know, there's there's some there's some parts of the

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Speaker 2: direct petition in which you can submit documentation about familial

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Speaker 2: ties slash fucker papa. However, there's not really anything that's

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Speaker 2: specific to being Mary or being tongue to Fenua.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're argue, is you're just correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. This is not being able to argue

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Speaker 1: familial ties for any ethnicity that is currently in the country.

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Speaker 1: Is it just for Mardi that you're arguing?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Why yeh?

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Speaker 2: And you know, and to be clear that I was

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Speaker 2: giving evidence in another claimants urgent case just because we

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Speaker 2: had a similar situation that he's going through and they've

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Speaker 2: been asked to give evidence, and the reason being because

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Speaker 2: for me as a mama and for my daughter who

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Speaker 2: is Tongue to Fenoa, there were genuine implications in terms

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Speaker 2: of her not being able to live in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: go to school without paying international school fees, receive healthcare,

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Speaker 2: and also to as tongue to Fenera. And my opinion

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Speaker 2: is that Altedo is the only place that as Mali

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Speaker 2: we can be Mary, you know, you're Maori everywhere, but

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Speaker 2: it's the only place that she can go to Cokopapa,

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Speaker 2: that she can go to kuhungavill that she can participate

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Speaker 2: in life as teena in that capacity, and that wasn't

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Speaker 2: looking like it was going to be a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Keisha, thanks for talking to us. I appreciate a Keisha Castle,

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