1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Prime Minister christpher Luxon, of course, in the United States 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: of America. New Zealand invited to join the conference with 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: NATO to discuss the issues of the day. Therefore, the 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: acting Prime Minister is now Winston Peters, who joins me. Now, 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: good morning, Winston, good morning, and with your head on 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: as a foreign minister and with the Prime Minister in 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: the United States of America. What are you hoping that 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: we and he gets out of his trip to America. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Well, he's arriving at a very bad time in the 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: conference in the sense of the Lesclating war in Ukraine. 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: This is going to be of serious concern to all 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: the NATO countries, and of course you've got the oncoming 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: election in United States where things are very uncertain, as 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: they were in France and now they were in the 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: UK in recent weeks. So this is a very interesting trip. 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: But it's very important for him and also has the 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: chance to make connections on the West Coast in particular 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: with suspect to New Zealand's economic future. 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Indeed, and talking with Apple as well, which is fascinating. 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: What's happening there. 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: We'll have to wait until the conversation. 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: What the conversation is about all right, okay, the issue 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: of the day of the week, of the last one 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen days is Darling Tanner is now asked 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: to resign from Parliament. Your feelings on the case and 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: our electoral law at the moment. 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: Well, our electoral law is fine, except that it's not 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: being enforced. This is a disgrace. I mean, forty two 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: thousand dollars or taxpayers money has been used by the 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: Greens to find out what was going on when they 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: should have been spent their own money. You've got someone 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: who has been told that she should keep parliament. She 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 2: probably won't. She probably go and joined the Mari party. 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: And then you've got these pures saying we will not 35 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: enforce the law that's already there now to ensure that 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: the proportionality of parliament remains. And it demonstrates that, you know, 37 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: some parties are getting away with stuff because there were 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: members there with claiming qualifications they never had. They were 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: never challenged by their mainstream media. There comes another example 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: where this level of tolerance for a party that's demost 41 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: trading every day, how bad it would be if they 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: ever got to be in control of the government. And nevertheless, 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: in these circumstances, she's still there and she should not 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: be there in the sense that everybody's got to be accountable, 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: and she's not. Well. 46 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: They're claiming that they've done everything they can. They asked 47 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: you to resign for the party. That she resigns, then 48 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: it's up to her to go to the Speaker and 49 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: resign herself. But as I said earlier. 50 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: And so they're not doing it, and they can. They 51 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: could expel her and then they could have very clear 52 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: to the Speaker that she's no longer a member of 53 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: their party, and they would mean that she would have 54 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: to stand down as an MP. All the law is 55 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: right in front of them, written for such circumstances. But 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: the question is you chose this person who could not 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: be trusted, and how you're saying that it's all the 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: rest of us and our problem about getting rid of 59 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: this person. Whether it's a male or female MP, doesn't matter. 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: It's simply not satisfactory and. 61 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: Their attitude towards public money. The public did provide forty 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: three thousand dollars, but that was until six weeks ago 63 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: when then, of course, the Greens started to privately finance 64 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: their investigation due to that, they're now saying they can't 65 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: reveal the cost of the investigation because they have to 66 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: tell their members first, and you'll find out in the 67 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: financial papers at the end of the financial gear is 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: that is that a press true? But is that an 69 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: appropriate way of behavior? 70 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: That's not a private way to be our behavior? That's 71 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: true above the forty two thousand. But why did they 72 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: spend the forty two thousand of taxpayers money when they 73 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: should not have in the first place. I mean, this 74 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: is a case I've been a member of the Fans 75 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: of Report recounition. By speaking Mallard, only one party survived 76 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: the fans reporting their lamination and parliament behavior, and there 77 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: was usual first, so they didn't say so and here 78 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: we go again covering things up. Now here's the point. 79 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: She's also not been a palm for over one hundred days. 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: How can you get away with that? But that's the 81 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: Green Party standard and they ever gotten the government, there'll 82 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: be chaos in this country. 83 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: They have a lot of people they have to talk 84 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: to before they'll talk to us, it seems. Now your 85 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: trip to the Pacific, how is the Pacific? What do 86 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: you think came out of it? 87 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Well. We went to the Solomon Islands and Naaru and 88 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: Neway Solomon's courses a struggling economy, and we went to 89 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: open the Segey Airport, which we financed with Australia. These 90 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 2: partnerships are seriously working. It was a very good trip 91 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: in the context of seeing everybody that mattered. We took 92 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: a high high out cross party team from National New Zealand, 93 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: First Letter and the Greens and we had excellent meetings 94 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: in all three countries. So it was very worthwhile in 95 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: catching up as fast as we can in an area 96 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: that's been seriously neglected. And the point they made to 97 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: us was we see something new coming from New Zealand. 98 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: We see an intensity of interest in our region that 99 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: we haven't seen for a long time. 100 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: Yes. And if you have a vacuum or nature of bores, 101 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: vacuum and influences. 102 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: It gets filled yea. 103 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: It gets filled with people like China, doesn't it. 104 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: I'm not saying what this gets filled by. But we 105 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: have a duty in our background nations around us, in 106 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: our neighborhood, and it's part of our long term security 107 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: to pay attention, play our role and ensure along with 108 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: other countries. I believe in the rule of la democracy, 109 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: freedom and the right to worship freely as well that 110 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: those things are not lost because of our resignation from 111 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: our responsibilities. 112 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: So Christopher Bishop has come up with you housing crisis policies, 113 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: which means increasing land. So we're going out, we're also 114 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: going up, and we're also going small. No limits, no 115 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: minimum limits. Were you surprised at the backlash against shoe 116 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: box housing and that part of the debate over the 117 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: past week. 118 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: I want't surprised because there's so many people in this 119 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: debate who are so disconnected to reality. Would they want 120 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: people to go on living under a bridge, living in 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: a tent, living in a living in horrible circumstances, or 122 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: to want to give them a chance. The reality is 123 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: we were the ones that brought in thirty square meters 124 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: we call them GNI flats back then. They're now sixty 125 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: square meters, requiring only an engineer's report, and people are 126 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: flocking to build those circums in those circumstances. Why don't 127 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: we ask the market what they want rather than have 128 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: the so called experts whose record is not to produce 129 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: some media enough houses in the way that we did 130 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: in the former time when we really were a popularting 131 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: democracy and we had a proud record. But there of course, 132 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: back then we had practical members of Parliament knew a 133 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 2: bit about poverty. Now I got far from the experts. 134 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: I don't know and want their standards to be maintained. 135 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: Despite the fact that we're slipping very badly in our 136 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: home ownership. We want young people to get a first 137 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: chance to get into their first home, get on the 138 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: ladder going forward. 139 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: Mister Peter's active Prime Minister. I thank you for your 140 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: time today. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen 141 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, 142 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.