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Speaker 1: So we've got a fairy deal to new ships five

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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six million, port infrastructure one point two billion.

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Speaker 1: They arrive in twenty nine. They're bigger than we currently have.

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Speaker 1: And for the environmentalists, their hybrids. Whinston Peters stitched together

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Speaker 1: the DEALI is with us.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 1: As an exercise, how competitive were the various punters in

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Speaker 1: this particular game. Was there a variation and price or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, there were a number of teners, of course, and

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Speaker 2: in the end the best one and one best analyzed

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Speaker 2: to cover all the requirements we had was out of China.

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Speaker 1: And they were best on price or just best overall.

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Speaker 2: Well, very very competitive on price, but best overall.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the reassurances you have on price is that lock's

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Speaker 1: locked in.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know this sort of business of going into

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Speaker 2: contracts and then the cost plus going forward is not

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Speaker 2: what they're going to do. And so yes, it's going

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Speaker 2: to be seriously locked and there is a other four

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Speaker 2: hundred million contenency out of this planning. But in the

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Speaker 2: end this is a very very good deal.

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Speaker 1: The delivery timing is locked in or not.

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Speaker 2: It is, yes, ear and twenty twenty nine one at

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Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: So what's the bigger issue. Is the bigger issue local

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Speaker 1: construction here on the work you need to do there

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Speaker 1: around cost and timing, or the Chinese delivering the ships.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm rere confident about the Chinese delivering the ships.

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Speaker 2: They've got a very good record on this. But look,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have a look at what's

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Speaker 2: happening in Tasmania. They've got two big new fairies, they've

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Speaker 2: got no infrastructure and the whole thing's are They're They're

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Speaker 2: in a very embarrassing situation, which is exactly where would

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Speaker 2: have been next day in the year after that, because

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Speaker 2: there's no way in twenty twenty three they hadn't insigned

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Speaker 2: one contract on infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we understand, we understand all of that, which

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Speaker 1: brings us to yesterday in the back and forth in

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Speaker 1: the business. I mean, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you've got the problem solved, you've got two ships coming,

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Speaker 1: You've saved us a lot of money. That's the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the middle and the end of it, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Look, first of all, I got to read a really

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Speaker 2: hard nosed, tough, experienced team to do the job, and

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Speaker 2: we owe them a huge debt. They've got a marvel's job.

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Speaker 2: And how shall I say, how that carry on workingmen

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Speaker 2: with all the citizens around what they were trying to do,

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Speaker 2: which was and less. In less than eleven months, they

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Speaker 2: have put together the solution. So it all ends.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So given that, what are the learnings out of

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Speaker 1: this in government procuring services or product going forward?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we've got so many examples. We've got Transmission Gully,

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Speaker 2: We've got poo to walk with her. Every contract blew

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Speaker 2: out massively and there were huge delays. We can't afford

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Speaker 2: to have that sort of behavior from central government. What

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Speaker 2: I'm saying to a lot of people is some of

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Speaker 2: the politicians need to get other down way and get

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Speaker 2: the right smart experienced business people, experienced trades people, the

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Speaker 2: captains and the ship owners and people like that there

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Speaker 2: who might know something. But what they're talking about that

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Speaker 2: we're going to far all that in the future rather

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Speaker 2: than this plus blow out the mess expense to usual textpayer.

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it. Winston Peters, who is the Royal

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