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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks, that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Time to catch up with US sustainability commentator Kate All

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Speaker 2: aka Ethically Kate. More than a good morning suns out,

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Speaker 2: guns out, and that means that it is time for

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Speaker 2: us to talk sustainable sunscreens because I feel like there

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Speaker 2: are so many things you got to think about with

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Speaker 2: sunscreen these days. Okay, so you've got to think about sustainability.

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Speaker 2: You've also got to think about getting sunscreen that doesn't

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Speaker 2: bleed when it's on your face, because there are few

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Speaker 2: things that are worse in summer than when your eyes

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Speaker 2: sting from having running sunscreen. You know that feeling, Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: that's the part. So does sustainability mean that you just

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Speaker 2: have to accept you're going to have sunscreens they're going

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Speaker 2: to be bleeding into your eyes.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, the sunscreens I have used for the

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Speaker 3: last several years, which obviously more sustainably made and a

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Speaker 3: better packaging, are like the least leading sunscreen.

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Speaker 1: Oh, because they are a bit sicker, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Kind of compromise a little bit of that a bit thicker,

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Speaker 3: so you're may be potentially a little bit paler, you know,

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Speaker 3: but you don't get that bleedy factor as much because

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Speaker 3: a lot of that, you know, running sunscreen to your

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Speaker 3: eye is because sunscreens generally, kind of the mainstream ones

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Speaker 3: have a lot of water content and like different fillers

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Speaker 3: and kind of yeah, a whole lot of stuff, which

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Speaker 3: mean I can definitely tell a difference when you know,

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Speaker 3: borrow my friend's sunscreen. That's not my classic kind of

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Speaker 3: thicker paste, you one, it's just not as pleasant and stinging.

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Speaker 3: You can you can tell the difference between good ingredients

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Speaker 3: and not so good.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's great there, so we can be more

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Speaker 2: sustainable and we can avoid having stinging eyes across somewhere.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it's a class line.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: I think it's been like a little kind of silver

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Speaker 3: lining between yes in my personal experience stopping to better sunscreens.

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Speaker 3: But and it has hard. I've learned a lot about

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Speaker 3: the sunscreen space just from a few friends who make sunscreen,

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Speaker 3: and it's their business, and it's really complicated because, like

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Speaker 3: you said, you're thinking about, Okay, is this actually good

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Speaker 3: for my skin? You know, like we're putting the sunscreen on,

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Speaker 3: should be putting it on? Relatively regularly, especially in our face.

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Speaker 3: It's really kind of an intimate product you to think

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Speaker 3: about is this good for our skin? What about you know,

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Speaker 3: we're going into the ocean and we know that sunscreens

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Speaker 3: can affect marine environment too, And then also the packaging

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Speaker 3: as well. Right, a lot of sunscreens are in plastic

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Speaker 3: tubes and basically non recyclable. So like without, I'm not

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Speaker 3: a chemist or like a sunscreen expert, though I'm really

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Speaker 3: I've been diving in unintended to this topic a little

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Speaker 3: bit more because it's so fascinating. But kind of the

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Speaker 3: key basics for me is I avoid sunscreens with oxybenzone.

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Speaker 3: And I always get this word wrong, but Opteno states, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there are two really common sunscreens. Because people shut their

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Speaker 3: sunscreens and out there are two common ingredients that and

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Speaker 3: your sunscreen which aren't really FDA approved and aren't great

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Speaker 3: for our bodies. So looking out for ones, and there's

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Speaker 3: plentity on the market which don't have those ingredients. So

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Speaker 3: the main active ingredient in more stamily made sunscreens is

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Speaker 3: often zinc zinc oxide. Even then, you'll see a lot

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Speaker 3: of sunscreens, even some of my favorites that I use,

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Speaker 3: say reef safe, you know, ocean friendly. But there's studies

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Speaker 3: coming out recently just saying, look, we actually don't know

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Speaker 3: how zinc effects are coral reef. We actually we can't

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Speaker 3: say that it does or doesn't, and those terms like

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Speaker 3: reef safe aren't regulated. So for me, it's more about,

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Speaker 3: like I use sunscreen. That how you my favorites soon,

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Speaker 3: But I use sunscreen like you know, on my face

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Speaker 3: and as a kind of basic measure. But it's about

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Speaker 3: covering up and stuf in the shade and not.

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Speaker 2: Actually just relying on sunscreen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we can't. Yeah, we don't know enough about

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Speaker 3: what does and what doesn't affect marine life. So for me,

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Speaker 3: sometimes I'll have a little dip and then I'll go

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Speaker 3: sit in the shade and put on screen on then

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's especially for people who have a complexion like

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Speaker 2: you and I that's kind of important. Yeah. So okay,

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Speaker 2: so that's a really critical point. Reef safe doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: mean reef safe. That's kind of one of those things

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Speaker 2: that everyone can just say or sometimes makes things look

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Speaker 2: like they're better than they are. It's kind of like

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Speaker 2: low fat, you know, you're like, well, hang on, so

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Speaker 2: what do you recommend in terms of sunscreen brands.

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Speaker 3: So I have done a lot of different sunscreen trials

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Speaker 3: in the last few years, and my top kind of

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Speaker 3: four favorites back to the World that's made in the

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Speaker 3: South Island, but also Q Family Goodbye Sunscreen that's really good,

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Speaker 3: especially for people who are more like sporting and outdoors

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Speaker 3: sunshine and Midge Sunscreen. So most of those are also

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Speaker 3: in like tins that can be recycled or reused, repurposed

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Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, and yeah, made by really cool local people,

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Speaker 3: so we have options. You know, those are you know,

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Speaker 3: very viable, and a lot of them much more cost

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Speaker 3: effective these days too. And actually I think when people

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Speaker 3: think about sustainable sunscreen, they think they just gonna you know,

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Speaker 3: put this like white paste on me and look like

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Speaker 3: a geek at the firstly, like own it. My brother

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Speaker 3: is really good. Actually he is like really strong colored

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Speaker 3: like zinc kind of space yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a like a cricketer in yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, we're going to own this. This

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Speaker 3: is our house, you know, this is the most sustaable sunscreen,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think it's the one that we use.

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Speaker 3: You know it's not sustainable to go out there and

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Speaker 3: to yeah, be fried in the sunshine. So using those options,

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Speaker 3: but then also staying in the shade, covering up and

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Speaker 3: kind of staying out of that hole I need to

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Speaker 3: tan kind of culture.

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Speaker 2: Oh superb, Thank you so much, Kate, really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Our sustainability commentator, Kate Hall. You can find her on

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Speaker 2: all of the social media channels and she does have

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Speaker 2: very interesting content. Actually it kind of makes you laugh,

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Speaker 2: makes you think as well. You can find her by

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Speaker 2: searching ethically, Kate. That's the easiest way to do it.

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