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Speaker 2: Hello, Jott to get afternoon. Welcome in. This is the

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Speaker 2: Saturday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB for

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Speaker 2: November twenty two. Happy eighty second birthday to twelve time

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Speaker 2: Grand Slam Singles tennis winner Billy Jenkin speaking of tennis champions,

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Speaker 2: Happy fifty eighth to three time Wimbledon Men's champ Boris Becker,

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Speaker 2: and happy sixty second birthday to former Wallaby's coach Dave Rennie.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine. Show producer is Andy McDonald. We're here

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Speaker 2: talking sport with you until three on the show. Today

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Speaker 2: the very first media interview with a representative from the

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Speaker 2: proposed new domestic Tea twenty Cricket League en ZED twenty.

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Speaker 2: Don McKinnon is the chairman of the n ZED twenty

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Speaker 2: establishing Committee, one of the most experienced and respected figures

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Speaker 2: to tell us who's behind n ZED twenty, why it's needed,

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Speaker 2: how it'll work and what fans can expect. Your views

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Speaker 2: on this proposed new comp are very welcome to Don

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Speaker 2: McKinnon and enn ZED twenty. First up this afternoon the

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Speaker 2: thirteenth and final All Blacks test of the year, Cardiff

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning from just after four the All Blacks against Wales.

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Speaker 2: Former Welsh and British and Irish lines winger Alex Cuthbert

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the side that Scott robertson

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Speaker 2: And regardless of what happens tomorrow morning, still need off

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Speaker 2: matters around today Cricketing Royalty after two the ashes underway

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Speaker 2: in extraordinary fashion, nineteen wickets on the first day in Perth, England,

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Speaker 2: the true greats of English cricket, Sir Ian Botham now

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Speaker 2: Lord Botham, is with us after two o'clock. Australian correspondent

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Speaker 2: Adam Peacock also live from Perth in his regular Saturday

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of recent talk about a proposed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Gothanon, Jason Well, I am.

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Speaker 5: There's it about three or four months ago, and I

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Speaker 5: And basically I was asked if I would have a

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's viable?

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Speaker 5: of that. We've stayed in that model where we're very

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Speaker 5: That's inevitably a good chunk of it would be international. Now,

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Speaker 5: also have local investment, and the model we have created

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Speaker 5: So the community game benefits from this competition if we

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Speaker 2: I want to come back to the grassroots benefit in

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Speaker 5: But but you know, only time tells, right, So The

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Speaker 5: And the Caribbean League is probably the model we've most

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Speaker 5: Yet it is reinvigorating the game and the carbon. You know,

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Speaker 4: So, you know, will it be here in thirty years time, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know, but the model is certainly doing great things

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Speaker 5: we there's absolutely no reason we can't do it here.

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Speaker 2: What would New Zealand crickets involvement in the NZ twenty

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Speaker 4: Well, most importantly, they have to agree to it.

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Speaker 5: So I mean one of the reasons I was keen

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Speaker 4: I've worked closely with news could.

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Speaker 5: A Board, ends'd Sea Board have put two members of

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Speaker 5: They have been really clear and this in telling us

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Speaker 5: this is one option that they wish to look at

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Speaker 5: and it's by no means the only option to grow

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Speaker 5: I support that on no problem with that at all.

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Speaker 5: then then so beet on all for cricket growing in

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Speaker 5: the option they'll take. I have to say though, that

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Speaker 5: we think this is just so citing such a great

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Speaker 2: You alluded to it before, Don How would NZ twenty

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Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, the model we've designed would be

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Speaker 5: then to actually start making money. You then sell your teams.

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Speaker 5: Our concept would be potentially six teams and the men's

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Speaker 5: a woman's comp that the men's comp would be six

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Speaker 5: teams around the country. Effectively, the revenue generator from the

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Speaker 5: sale of those teams would go into a capital fund

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Speaker 5: for our major associations, and the major associations excuse me,

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Speaker 5: the major associations would own twenty five percent of the

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Speaker 5: cop Now that's the concept that's still open to discussion

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Speaker 5: the Team Fund basically creates an investment which will help

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Speaker 5: And if this thing starts to make really good money,

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Speaker 5: there's ongoing distributions as well, so it's certainly not just

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Speaker 4: That could only be good.

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Speaker 4: It's not the panacea to everything. Would be the first

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Speaker 5: From our perspective, it could only be good in terms

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Speaker 4: But I think if we do.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned before that there are other ways, and

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Speaker 4: I will wish that project every success.

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Speaker 5: Better for fans, I think it's better for players. I

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Speaker 5: it's better for the black Cap White Fern development program.

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Speaker 2: So what is your time frame that you're working to

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Speaker 2: Ideally don would be looking at something that is up

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Speaker 5: It's fair to say that some of this talk around

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Speaker 5: Well, I think investors from overseas want to come to

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Speaker 2: Don, you've given us a terrific insight this afternoon. Thanks

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Speaker 4: Jason, thanks very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: No, thanks for yours, Don, I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Don McKinnon there, the chair of the Establishing Committee for

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Speaker 2: Seems to me there are two main challenges facing NZ

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Speaker 2: There was a great phrase in there from Dom McKinnon

435
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Speaker 2: which describes what they're visualizing, unique and boutique arsenal catchphrase,

436
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Speaker 2: a month long proposition in the heart of summer during

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's holiday period. It's the shot in the arm our,

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Speaker 2: shortest format neat surely so surely we should at least

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Speaker 2: give it a crack. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: is our number, Dallas hold their mate with you after

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Speaker 2: this a spearline for you. O eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 2: let's kick around n Z twenty here at News Talks,

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Speaker 2: he'd be twenty eight to one.

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Speaker 1: The voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vane and GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's most

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Speaker 1: trusted oh Builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be twenty six to one. Heper text be back

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Speaker 2: coming through. On the interview with Don McKinnon. One says

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Speaker 2: is that Don McKinnon, the former politician, no different Don McKinnon.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked very different. Don McKinnon spelt differently.

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Speaker 2: That is not Sir Don McKinnon, the former Deputy Prime

452
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Speaker 2: Minister of New Zealand. No different Don McKinnon. This is

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Speaker 2: Don McKinnon, the Sports administrator. So good to get that

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Speaker 2: cleared up, Dallas High, mate.

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Speaker 10: Cricket's just changing all the time, and like yesterday in

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Speaker 10: the Test match, it was almost like a one day game,

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Speaker 10: and now it's like today is almost like another one

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Speaker 10: day game. It's like everything's changing. It's like the old

459
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Speaker 10: five day Test is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

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Speaker 10: And I noticed too the rain shortened game in Napier

461
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Speaker 10: the other night that was thirty four overs. You know what,

462
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Speaker 10: I thought that was the perfect lengths of a game

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Speaker 10: of an inning thirty four overs each, thirty five overs.

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Speaker 10: It just it was like a good compromise between fifty

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Speaker 10: and twenty. What did you think about that?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Actually, funnily enough, as they were batting, I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: I was trying to work out whether they were batting

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Speaker 2: like it was a fifty over game or like it

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Speaker 2: was a T twenty game. I think they went at

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Speaker 2: about sevens, didn't they? And I guess through necessity rather

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Speaker 2: than design. Yeah. Look, I there's a lot of conversation

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Speaker 2: tell us about what the place of fifty over cricket

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Speaker 2: might be in the future of international cricket. It seems

475
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Speaker 2: to be the one that's that's that's left off to

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Speaker 2: one side and many waste test cricket being the one

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Speaker 2: with historical significance and you know, things like the ashes,

478
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Speaker 2: et cetera. A wonderful viewing, and then the T twenty,

479
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Speaker 2: which is obviously the main cash injector into the game. Look,

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Speaker 2: I hope fifty over has a future. I still enjoy

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Speaker 2: watching it, but but there's no doubt that that T

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Speaker 2: twenty cricketers is the game, as I say, injects the

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Speaker 2: cash and probably the excitement and attracts new fans to

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Speaker 2: the game the world over.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I just wish twenty. I just wish there's a

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Speaker 10: few more overs, you know, But that's just me. But

487
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Speaker 10: but I love I'll watch anything cricket. And but what

488
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Speaker 10: about TV TV rights to this new the new thing?

489
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Speaker 10: Did he talk about that? Because TV been on TV

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Speaker 10: one this Wendy's tour. It's fantastic because a lot of

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Speaker 10: us don't actually have Sky, and so I'll be tuning

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Speaker 10: into that and I'll be listening listening to you in

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Speaker 10: both of them as well on the radio while I'm

494
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Speaker 10: watching the TV one. So I think TV coverage is

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Speaker 10: so important to cricket. You know, for a while there

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Speaker 10: we had none. But also that January window, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 10: the perfect time for t twenties, you know, sort of

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Speaker 10: that beach vibe. You know, that's jet we should be

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Speaker 10: watching playing cricket in January.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's the proposal here. Dellis just on the

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Speaker 2: broadcasting side of it, I would imagine I don't know

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Speaker 2: this for a fact, but I would imagine that they

504
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Speaker 2: would be looking for a broadcast partner, more than likely

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Speaker 2: a pay per view partner who would pay obviously for

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Speaker 2: the right to broadcast. Look, I think it's been completely

507
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Speaker 2: by luck more than design. The fact that we've had

508
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Speaker 2: free to wear cricket since the demise of Spark Sport.

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Speaker 2: We all know the store their Sparksport fell over. TVNZ

510
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Speaker 2: picked it up New Zealand crickets still got paid their

511
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Speaker 2: money by Spark even though Spark didn't exist anymore, and

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Speaker 2: all the cricket turned up on free to air, which

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Speaker 2: has been fantastic and yes it's been great to watch.

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Speaker 2: But Sky will pick it up again from next summer

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Speaker 2: International cricket. That is interestingly, they haven't picked up Super Smash, so,

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Speaker 2: as Don alluded to in that chat quite accurately, Super

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Speaker 2: Smash does not have a broadcast partner for next summer.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of the timing of this NZED twenty,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure would go to Sky first and say what

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Speaker 2: about it. Would you like to add this to your

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Speaker 2: portfolio of cricket. It would give you a month's worth

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Speaker 2: of exciting content in January. That'll be the way I'd

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Speaker 2: expect it to go. But on top of that, Dallas,

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Speaker 2: I would say that with the changing landscape there would

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Speaker 2: be a free to wear element to it. I think

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Speaker 2: all sport have worked out maybe franchise leagues are different.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're different, but I think most sports have worked out,

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Speaker 2: certainly those with a national organization like New Zealand Cricket,

529
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby and others, that freedom wear is important

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Speaker 2: for the promotion of your game. Now, maybe a franchise

531
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Speaker 2: league wouldn't have that as one of its objectives one

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Speaker 2: of its necessities. They may just believe that it's a

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Speaker 2: pay per view proposition which they will sell to a

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Speaker 2: Sky TV or someone similar and if you want to

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Speaker 2: watch it, you become a Sky subscriber. A franchise league

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Speaker 2: like this wouldn't necessarily have as their as one of

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Speaker 2: their embedded desires to get exposure. Thanks for your call, Dallas,

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty few texts here

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Speaker 2: speedline if you want to jump aboard. Chris as Don

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Speaker 2: was excellent. The idea sounds great for a boutique event

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Speaker 2: that's held on the peak of our summer holidays. Incidentally,

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Speaker 2: can Don please be points and immediately to every major

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Speaker 2: sport board. Yeah, I think he's got a bit on

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Speaker 2: his plate. Imagine the Queenstown hospitality workers being able to

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Speaker 2: tend up on the pitch the night before and after

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Speaker 2: Cricket Games. Yeah, I can imagine that text here. Jason,

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Speaker 2: this sounds like the Players Association is planning on taking

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Speaker 2: over New Zealand Cricket. Can you please comment. I don't

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Speaker 2: feel like that's the case. I didn't get any of

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Speaker 2: that sort of feeling from the chat there. The Players

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Speaker 2: Association will clearly be a part of this. Heath Mills,

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Speaker 2: the head of the Players Association, as part of the

553
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Speaker 2: establishing committee is don mentioned, but so too are board

554
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Speaker 2: members from New Zealand Cricket. So to our former players

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Speaker 2: like Stephen Fleming and others. So too are others who

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Speaker 2: don't have skin in the game officially. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: that this is a Players Association driven thing. Doesn't strike

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Speaker 2: me as that at all. Brekcess Jason good interview. I

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Speaker 2: just don't see why though overseas investors would see any

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Speaker 2: value in it. Indian players aren't allowed to play, well,

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Speaker 2: I think they would be. Brett goes on and say,

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Speaker 2: the Aussies will be in the Big Bash. How does

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Speaker 2: it differ from the Super Smash We had players like

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Speaker 2: Jay Wardener and Elise Perry in the competition. What am

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Speaker 2: I missing? Brett? I think it would be supersized right.

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Speaker 2: I think the goal would be a lot more ambitious

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Speaker 2: than the ad hoc adding of an overseas player here

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Speaker 2: or there to one of our super smash teams. I mean,

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Speaker 2: at the moment teams decide whether they want to get

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Speaker 2: a Jayawardener or an Elise Perry or whoever it might

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Speaker 2: be into their team. It's almost, as I say, ad

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Speaker 2: hoc and often as the result of happy circumstances rather

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Speaker 2: than actual planning. It feels to me as though the

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Speaker 2: NZ twenty sides would once they had their established Black

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Speaker 2: Caps and New Zealand players and there would target three

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Speaker 2: or four high quality overseas player. I think that's the difference,

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Speaker 2: and the trick would be tempting them to New Zealand

578
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Speaker 2: ahead of the likes of the Big Bash and the

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Speaker 2: South African twenty competition, which are on at the same time.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: I had a suggested to me last week that if

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Speaker 2: you're an overseas player and you have a family that

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Speaker 2: you'd like to travel with for a month in January,

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Speaker 2: and you'd like to take them to a country and

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Speaker 2: experience all that country has to offer while you're playing cricket,

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Speaker 2: that New Zealand would be a very attractive proposition in

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Speaker 2: that regard, certainly a lot more attractive perhaps than certain

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Speaker 2: parts of South Africa. So I think we have that

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Speaker 2: in our favor. The other thing we have here in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is an ability to allow big, big stars

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Speaker 2: from other countries just to blend in. Indian players would

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Speaker 2: be certainly allowed and I'm sure encouraged to be involved

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Speaker 2: in this competition, and I'm sure some of those high quality,

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Speaker 2: high profile Indian players would love the relative anonymity of

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Speaker 2: being here in New Zealand because in their own country

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Speaker 2: they can hardly go out without being absolutely mobbed. It's

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Speaker 2: a bit better in Australia. In fact, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: better in Australia. But still perhaps there's a degree of

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Speaker 2: it over here. If we were walking down the street,

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Speaker 2: you or I and saw Rowat Sharma or Resharb Pant

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Speaker 2: or ms DONI would probably just give them the up

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Speaker 2: eyebrows theyky mate and carry on. I think there's a

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Speaker 2: high degree of attraction for that in overseas players. More

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Speaker 2: text to rebi a spear line, if you want to

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Speaker 2: jump a boll, we're going to switch to rugby after

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. But let's talk some NZ twenty cricket. Any

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Speaker 2: fish hooks I'm missing or are you all in on this?

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Speaker 2: It feels to me as though it's the invigoration of

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Speaker 2: the shortest form of the game here that is needed

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Speaker 2: and it's a good time for it too. With the

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Speaker 2: lapsing of the broadcast deal. New Zealand Cricket looking for

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Speaker 2: a shot in the arm for T twenty in Seid

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Speaker 2: twenty has a lot to like about it. Back in

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Speaker 2: a second Weekend Sports sixteen to one.

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Speaker 2: A baby thirteen away from my back to the lines

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Speaker 2: in a six Just got a message from my good

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Speaker 2: friend and colleague at the New Zealand Herald, Alex Powell,

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Speaker 2: who who texts don't forget Piney about the IPL team's

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Speaker 2: multi club ownership. Players, for example, contracted to Mumbai Indians

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Speaker 2: would have to play for Mumbai Indians Cape Town in

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Speaker 2: the SA twenty or Mumbai Indians Emirates in the ILT twenty.

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Speaker 2: Before New Zealand entered the conversation. It's a good point,

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Speaker 2: as always from New Alex feels as though there are

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Speaker 2: enough players to go around, though, but you do make

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Speaker 2: a good point, Phil, Good afternoon, mate.

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Speaker 13: Loon Powney, how are you very good?

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Speaker 6: Excellent? Excellent?

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Speaker 13: I've gone a wee bit blank because I was just

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Speaker 13: talking to Andy and I said, I quite likely because.

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Speaker 2: You're having a bit of conversation, been a conversation with

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Speaker 2: my producer, then with me.

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Speaker 13: Well, I just I just listened to the interview. You know,

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Speaker 13: there was an excellent interview that had with the fellow

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Speaker 13: and I was thinking the same thing when that person

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Speaker 13: texted and says that Don McKinnon the politician, because that

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Speaker 13: was I was thinking that too, but or wondering that,

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Speaker 13: but and then I had it. So I had a

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Speaker 13: couple of questions because it's to replace the super smashes

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Speaker 13: and not a domestic competition, But I do like the

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Speaker 13: sound of it and the idea of it, and I

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Speaker 13: think it it's worth a going that. But I was

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Speaker 13: kind of thinking my own sort of reservations are would

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Speaker 13: we would we be able to attract the big players here,

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Speaker 13: the big name players because of the money that they

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Speaker 13: can get, you know, going to Australia with their Big

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Speaker 13: Bash in the South African competition and which I imagine

651
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Speaker 13: would have a lot more money, you know, so that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well if the money was the same, though, Phil,

653
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Speaker 2: we see again we I think we need to realize

654
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Speaker 2: just how much money there is and and of course

655
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Speaker 2: we gravitate towards India and when we talk cricket, but

656
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Speaker 2: I think we, you know, don't underestimate how much money

657
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Speaker 2: there is sofa, if a team owner wanted to match

658
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Speaker 2: what was available in South Africa and the Big Bash

659
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Speaker 2: and the ILT twenty, then they would be able to.

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Speaker 2: So then it becomes a conversation around where do you

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Speaker 2: want to go to play your cricket if money was

662
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Speaker 2: the if the money was the same everywhere, it's then

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Speaker 2: about other factors that you use to attract those players.

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Speaker 13: Oh yeah, oh that's quite good then, yeh, Because if

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Speaker 13: it comes down to like a private owner for a start,

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Speaker 13: and I did like the idea, like you said, and

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Speaker 13: he did say, didn't he that that would start off

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Speaker 13: with like a private owner picking up the paying for

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Speaker 13: it basically, and then would a New Zealand cricket takeover

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Speaker 13: or something. But I but I like.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no news, No, New Zealand Cricket wouldn't take

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Speaker 2: over it. No, that that that is not part of this.

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Speaker 2: They would There would be a league investor and then

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Speaker 2: the and then the franchise of six of them would

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Speaker 2: be sold to private ownership. So New Zealand Cricket are

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, an interested bystander. They endorsed this,

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Speaker 2: it's part of their obviously, it's part of the cricket

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Speaker 2: program here in New Zealand. But they would not in

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Speaker 2: any way have an ownership ownership stake. That is my understanding.

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Speaker 13: Oh good one, okay. And he did say that that

681
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Speaker 13: money would go down to the organizations, wouldn't it like

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Speaker 13: the cricket organizations, and be into the and yeah, so

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Speaker 13: supporting and putting money into our own domestic organizations and

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Speaker 13: things like and help them.

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Speaker 2: YEA a major association fund I think he called it,

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Speaker 2: phil saying that, yes, that that would be something that

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Speaker 2: would happen. And I got sort of a little bit

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Speaker 2: more detail about that in terms of the major associations

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Speaker 2: benefiting through that community fund, which will be part of

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Speaker 2: the revenue generated out of this out of this competition.

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Speaker 2: Feel good to chat to you made. I'm glad you

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Speaker 2: your mind unblanked. Good conversation. Always good to have a

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Speaker 2: chat to you. Make a couple of other texts before

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Speaker 2: we move on. If the focus Jason is on having

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Speaker 2: access to a game of wash with capital, that can

696
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Speaker 2: only be good for cricket in New Zealand. Frankly, we're

697
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Speaker 2: probably a bit late to that party, so coming up

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Speaker 2: with this can only be good. Helps having Stephen Fleming involves,

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Speaker 2: says Mike. Yeah, no, there's some good credibility in it.

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Speaker 2: Even listening to Don McKinnon, he's clearly a pretty capable guy,

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Speaker 2: right And if he was invited into this conversation three

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Speaker 2: or four months ago, and at any stage in that

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Speaker 2: time worked out that this was not a goer, he

704
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Speaker 2: would have jumped off. He would he just would have said, hey,

705
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Speaker 2: thanks guys, interesting what you're doing, but not for me.

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Speaker 2: The fact that he hasn't a guy with his credibility

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Speaker 2: says a lot about it. Mar says, can we have

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Speaker 2: more games in Napier Piney? We need the rain, it's

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Speaker 2: how you break the drought and Napier de schidual from

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Speaker 2: cricket There eight to one New STALKSB.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

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Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Pie they call eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty and eighty US talks.

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Speaker 2: NB five to one. Just on the the Indian players

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Speaker 2: being available to play, Yes, I said before they'd be

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Speaker 2: able to play. Obviously, the rule at the moment is

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Speaker 2: that if you are an IPL contracted player or contracted

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Speaker 2: to or you want to play international cricket, you can't

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Speaker 2: play in the other legs. I was thinking of rav Ashwin,

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Speaker 2: who recently signed with the Sydney Thunder in the Australian

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Speaker 2: Big Bash League. But I've had to point it out

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Speaker 2: to me that he had to end his IPL career

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Speaker 2: in order to be able to play in the Big Bash.

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Speaker 2: So it was a bit of a groundbreaking situation for

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Speaker 2: rav Ashwin. So yes, Indian pliers would have to make

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Speaker 2: that decision. But it feels to me like Indian cricketers

727
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Speaker 2: a bit like New Zealand rugby players. You know, there

728
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Speaker 2: are a lot of high quality Indian cricketers who we

729
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Speaker 2: have never heard of, never ever heard of, but who

730
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Speaker 2: given the opportunity and the platform, could become absolute superstars

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Speaker 2: in the T twenty games. So again, yes there are

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Speaker 2: players who would be off the table, but I still

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Speaker 2: feel as though there will be a lot of players

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Speaker 2: on the table. And New Zealand as an attractive destination

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Speaker 2: for a franchise cricketing experience in January. Unique and boutique

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Speaker 2: is what Don McKinnon called it. I think would be

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Speaker 2: a very very palatable proposition, particularly as I say, if

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Speaker 2: you're traveling with your family you want to you know

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Speaker 2: the worst places you can spend a month then New

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Speaker 2: Zealand in January. Yes, I know the weather sometimes doesn't

741
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Speaker 2: come to the party, but oftentimes it does. Thanks for

742
00:41:01,947 --> 00:41:04,507
Speaker 2: your cause and correspondence heaps of texts, we'll keep in

743
00:41:04,547 --> 00:41:08,027
Speaker 2: close contact with NZ twenty and and update you on

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00:41:08,067 --> 00:41:10,627
Speaker 2: their progress as well. After the news at one we'll

745
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Speaker 2: flick across the rugby final Test match of the year,

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Speaker 2: All Blacks v Wales tomorrow morning in Cardiff's.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

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Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason

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Speaker 1: Tade on your Home of Sport US Talks one seven.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Weekends Sport. Welcome back in an hour or

751
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Speaker 2: so from now, Sir Ian Botham. Lord Botham, I think

752
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Speaker 2: is this correct title these days? One of the greatest

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00:41:40,547 --> 00:41:43,227
Speaker 2: cricketers of all time. I'm going to join us on

754
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Speaker 2: the show talking Ashes. Did you see that yesterday over

755
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Speaker 2: in Perth? Nineteen wickets on the first day games half over?

756
00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:59,147
Speaker 2: We've only got through one day. Quite the scenes in

757
00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:03,467
Speaker 2: Perth with players forgetting how to bat when playing red

758
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Speaker 2: ball cricket for long periods of yesterday anyway, have a

759
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Speaker 2: look back on day one prospects for the Ashes and

760
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Speaker 2: also a bit of a wander down memory lane hopefully

761
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Speaker 2: as well with Lord Botham when he joins us after

762
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Speaker 2: two o'clock Rugby shortly as we zoom in on the

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Speaker 2: final All Blacks Test of the year against Wales ten

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Speaker 2: past four tomorrow morning. Full commentary here on news Talks

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Speaker 2: d B as the All Blacks take on Wales. It's

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Speaker 2: a funny old feeling, isn't it. I heard a great

767
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Speaker 2: description during the week of this Test match from Elliott Smith,

768
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Speaker 2: our match commentator and rugby editor on the Rugby Direct podcast.

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Speaker 2: He said, this feels like the bronze medal match at

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Speaker 2: a World Cup, and it does. That's exactly what it

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Speaker 2: feels like. It's almost got a sense of being anti climactic.

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Speaker 2: We were all looking forward to the Grand Slam and

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Speaker 2: the possibilities of the All Blacks becoming the first site

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Speaker 2: in fifteen years to beat all four of the home

775
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Speaker 2: nations and test matches across a month. England put paid

776
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Speaker 2: to that last week and there's been a malaise hanging

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Speaker 2: over All Blacks fandom I sense in the last week

778
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Speaker 2: or so. So what do you need to see tomorrow

779
00:43:15,547 --> 00:43:18,667
Speaker 2: morning to emerge from twenty twenty five with a bit

780
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Speaker 2: of optimism or is that a ship that has sailed.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to hear from Alex Cuthbert shortly fifty Test

782
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Speaker 2: Welsh winger played a couple of times against ther Bax

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Speaker 2: scored the very first time he played against them actually

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve and Cardiff. He's standing by the chat to

785
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Speaker 2: us in terms of live sport. Liam Lawson and practice

786
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Speaker 2: number three at the Las Vegas Grand Prix. That's underway

787
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Speaker 2: in around twenty minutes at one point thirty, and we

788
00:43:41,747 --> 00:43:44,707
Speaker 2: should have toys and team details from Seddon Park and

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00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:47,467
Speaker 2: Hamilton as well in around half an hour. The third

790
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Speaker 2: and final one day International between the black Caps and

791
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Speaker 2: the West Indies before they revert to test mode. What

792
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Speaker 2: are we going to see over here in these test

793
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Speaker 2: matches in December? Hopefully these test matches will get into

794
00:43:59,547 --> 00:44:02,107
Speaker 2: the sort of third or fourth day anyway that all

795
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Speaker 2: remains to be seen. You can call us at any

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Speaker 2: time of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty then it's

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Speaker 2: a text nineteen ninety two. As I say, the thirteenth

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Speaker 2: the final All Blacks Test of the year, Principality Stadium

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Speaker 2: card of ten past four tomorrow morning, New Zealand time.

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Speaker 2: It's the thirty eighth meeting between these two dating back

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Speaker 2: to nineteen oh five. Wales won three of the first four,

802
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Speaker 2: but the All Blacks have won the last thirty three

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Speaker 2: test matches between the two, dating all the way back

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Speaker 2: to nineteen sixty three. Matches between the two have been

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Speaker 2: infrequent in recent times. This is just the fifth meeting

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Speaker 2: since a three test series here in New Zealand in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and it's the first time the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: have played Wales in over three years. Great pleasure to

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Speaker 2: welcome into the show former Welsh winger Alex Cuthbert.

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Speaker 14: Checking it up by Sam robiton Dexcleayer, Oh the halfway,

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Speaker 14: he's on his own, slums into the last Lady Thinnish

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Speaker 14: defense such.

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Speaker 2: As oh and Farrell.

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Speaker 14: Now the worst fours arrayed. Phillips gets it out too,

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Speaker 14: bigger de Ley, Halfpenny, Jimmie Roberts, chip minute on the outside,

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Speaker 14: us Bitler them closing the gap did it first? That

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Speaker 14: must be a ship championship to Wales. Absolutely fantastic. They

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Speaker 14: kept the best until last. Nothing at all England could

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Speaker 14: do from their own twenty two Wales with the try

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Speaker 14: of the championship and the try to win the championship

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Speaker 14: a second for Alex Cuthbert and Wales magnificent.

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Speaker 2: Heh high excitement there. Alex Cuthbert debut for Wales twenty

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Speaker 2: eleven went on to earn fifty seven caps for his

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Speaker 2: national site, scoring sixteen tries, including that one, and playing

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Speaker 2: a pivotal role in the Six Nations Grand Slam winning

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Speaker 2: campaign in twenty twelve and the Six Nations Championship win

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Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. He also toured with the British and

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Speaker 2: Irish lines to Australia in twenty thirteen, where he scored

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Speaker 2: a crucial try in the first Test victory over the

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Speaker 2: Wallabies in Brisbane. At club level, he enjoyed success with Cardiff,

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Speaker 2: Exeter and Osprayce and officially announced his retirement in September.

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Speaker 2: He's already started to forge a successful career in rugby

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Speaker 2: punditry across various platforms. Alex Cuthbert is with us. Alex,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us, mate. I'm going to dive straight

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Speaker 2: in here. What has happened to Welsh rugby in the

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Speaker 2: two years since the last Rugby World Cup?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 15: Good morning and how long have you got mate? It's

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Speaker 15: been a it's been a bit of a rollercoaster, to

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Speaker 15: be honest, mate. You know, weirdly, I was actually that

841
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Speaker 15: was my last campaign, was the World Cup. So I

842
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Speaker 15: got injured in the summer before and I didn't play

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Speaker 15: a game after that, to be honest, So that that

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Speaker 15: was my last campaign. And weirdly we were actually in

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Speaker 15: an all right state, you know, in terms of obviously

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Speaker 15: Warren Gatton coming in, we got out the group. We know,

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Speaker 15: beat like the Fiji. We absolutely thunked Australia forty points

848
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Speaker 15: and you could look at that squad then and think, oh,

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Speaker 15: hang on better, you know, there's something to work with.

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Speaker 15: But I think after that World Cup, a lot of

851
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Speaker 15: boys retired, obviously, like myself down bigger and when there

852
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Speaker 15: were a number of boys, and I think there was

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Speaker 15: just a bit of some wrong decision in maybe getting

854
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Speaker 15: rid of us too soon, maybe not trying to integrate

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Speaker 15: some youngsters. And then we'll see then a lot of

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Speaker 15: things happening with the union in terms of budgets and

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Speaker 15: contract situations because we had a number of strike you know,

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Speaker 15: I was in one where we were literally just about

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Speaker 15: to pull the plug against England, which is one of

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Speaker 15: the biggest games in you know, in the European fictionalist.

861
00:47:47,707 --> 00:47:50,787
Speaker 15: So yeah, since then, mate, it's sort of gone down here,

862
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,507
Speaker 15: and obviously now they're trying to decide whether we cut

863
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,307
Speaker 15: the amount of regions. You know, it's like they're all

864
00:47:56,387 --> 00:47:58,307
Speaker 15: about trying to get rid of the team down in

865
00:47:58,347 --> 00:48:01,427
Speaker 15: West Wales, whether that's the Osprays or Scarlets. You know,

866
00:48:01,547 --> 00:48:03,987
Speaker 15: that's pretty much like trying to say they're going to

867
00:48:04,027 --> 00:48:07,067
Speaker 15: get rid of the Highlanders because they're down south. So

868
00:48:07,707 --> 00:48:10,467
Speaker 15: you know, geographically it just seems wild, doesn't it. So yeah,

869
00:48:10,467 --> 00:48:12,307
Speaker 15: a lot of things up in the air mate, at

870
00:48:12,307 --> 00:48:15,347
Speaker 15: the moment, and it's a lot to take in, you know,

871
00:48:15,467 --> 00:48:17,787
Speaker 15: especially this Welsh and national team. There's a lot of

872
00:48:17,787 --> 00:48:19,827
Speaker 15: young players in there who a lot of this is

873
00:48:20,107 --> 00:48:21,147
Speaker 15: happening for the first time.

874
00:48:21,907 --> 00:48:25,867
Speaker 2: So if we look with an optimistic leans, then how

875
00:48:26,507 --> 00:48:29,427
Speaker 2: much optimism is there that, you know, having been through

876
00:48:29,507 --> 00:48:32,867
Speaker 2: this very challenging two year period, that things can and

877
00:48:33,267 --> 00:48:36,147
Speaker 2: will turn around in the next little while or will

878
00:48:36,187 --> 00:48:37,387
Speaker 2: it still take a bit of time.

879
00:48:39,387 --> 00:48:41,427
Speaker 15: This is going to be sometime, mate. This is we're

880
00:48:41,507 --> 00:48:44,627
Speaker 15: talking a number of years. We're talking near enough an

881
00:48:44,667 --> 00:48:47,667
Speaker 15: era in terms of where they put the money now,

882
00:48:47,867 --> 00:48:51,027
Speaker 15: So do you put your pump your money into these

883
00:48:51,067 --> 00:48:54,987
Speaker 15: three regions and hopefully you know, we start correcting players,

884
00:48:55,027 --> 00:48:57,187
Speaker 15: but it starts on the bottom for me, so like

885
00:48:57,307 --> 00:48:59,867
Speaker 15: school level and that's sort of that age grade when

886
00:48:59,907 --> 00:49:02,947
Speaker 15: they're getting into sort of like cults rugby and senior

887
00:49:03,027 --> 00:49:06,027
Speaker 15: men's rugby. We're losing too many kids, so we lose

888
00:49:06,067 --> 00:49:09,707
Speaker 15: a lot because to England for college and education, and

889
00:49:09,787 --> 00:49:13,067
Speaker 15: then obviously then clubs in England pick up those players

890
00:49:13,107 --> 00:49:14,387
Speaker 15: and then obviously we've lost a few.

891
00:49:14,547 --> 00:49:15,307
Speaker 3: I likes to fail.

892
00:49:15,867 --> 00:49:20,547
Speaker 15: Manual bos He was you know, he's he lives in

893
00:49:20,827 --> 00:49:22,987
Speaker 15: you know, he's from Cardiff, should be playing for Wales

894
00:49:23,027 --> 00:49:25,067
Speaker 15: and he's playing for England. You know, we're not We're

895
00:49:25,107 --> 00:49:28,147
Speaker 15: not in a nation gifted with a lot of players,

896
00:49:28,387 --> 00:49:34,387
Speaker 15: our world class players to lose to England especially, So yeah,

897
00:49:34,427 --> 00:49:37,227
Speaker 15: that's going to be a big focus point in terms

898
00:49:37,267 --> 00:49:40,347
Speaker 15: of Obviously, firstly it's figuring out what team they are

899
00:49:40,427 --> 00:49:42,467
Speaker 15: going to get rid of, so we are definitely going

900
00:49:42,507 --> 00:49:45,267
Speaker 15: down to three teams, So that's the biggest talking point,

901
00:49:45,587 --> 00:49:47,987
Speaker 15: and and and and trying to navigate through that because

902
00:49:47,987 --> 00:49:50,067
Speaker 15: it's it's gonna get messy. Let's be honest. You know,

903
00:49:50,107 --> 00:49:52,067
Speaker 15: there's no one that's just going to say, oh yeah,

904
00:49:52,107 --> 00:49:53,667
Speaker 15: I'll put my hand up and be the team to go.

905
00:49:53,787 --> 00:49:55,987
Speaker 15: You know, it's going to come to tender and then

906
00:49:56,267 --> 00:49:59,547
Speaker 15: we're talking all finances then. But ideally in the future,

907
00:49:59,587 --> 00:50:01,187
Speaker 15: I guess we're going to get to a point in

908
00:50:01,227 --> 00:50:03,707
Speaker 15: two years where hopefully our product is good enough to

909
00:50:03,787 --> 00:50:05,787
Speaker 15: maybe move leagues or something like that.

910
00:50:05,907 --> 00:50:07,587
Speaker 3: That's the what's been banded around.

911
00:50:07,667 --> 00:50:09,787
Speaker 15: But for me, I think we need to put our

912
00:50:09,867 --> 00:50:13,307
Speaker 15: money into our into our infrastructure lower down and the

913
00:50:13,547 --> 00:50:16,507
Speaker 15: players that we're losing, especially the younger ages, and whether

914
00:50:16,547 --> 00:50:18,107
Speaker 15: we look to the World Cup in six years and

915
00:50:18,147 --> 00:50:20,747
Speaker 15: ten years, maybe that might be the right answer. And

916
00:50:20,867 --> 00:50:22,987
Speaker 15: maybe not give up on this team now in the

917
00:50:23,027 --> 00:50:26,707
Speaker 15: next World Cup, but you know, put the resources in

918
00:50:26,787 --> 00:50:28,387
Speaker 15: the in the areas where we're going to start to

919
00:50:28,467 --> 00:50:31,107
Speaker 15: see some benefit, whether it is five, six, seven, eight

920
00:50:31,187 --> 00:50:31,587
Speaker 15: years time.

921
00:50:31,787 --> 00:50:35,187
Speaker 2: It is such a challenging and interesting time for Welsh rugby.

922
00:50:36,507 --> 00:50:40,787
Speaker 2: How is new Welsh head coach Steve Tandy regarded.

923
00:50:41,947 --> 00:50:44,147
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought as Ricker sort of speaks to himself.

924
00:50:44,187 --> 00:50:46,707
Speaker 15: For I think, you know, we went to As he's

925
00:50:46,987 --> 00:50:48,067
Speaker 15: done his trade in Wales.

926
00:50:48,147 --> 00:50:50,027
Speaker 3: Then he went out and went to the Waratas.

927
00:50:50,187 --> 00:50:51,707
Speaker 15: I think, you know, that's the best thing for a

928
00:50:51,787 --> 00:50:54,267
Speaker 15: young coaches, going out and exploring different experiences.

929
00:50:54,827 --> 00:50:56,427
Speaker 3: It opens your eyes because.

930
00:50:56,507 --> 00:50:59,307
Speaker 15: When you end up being in a country or coaching

931
00:50:59,387 --> 00:51:01,387
Speaker 15: in a place for a long period of time, even

932
00:51:01,427 --> 00:51:03,227
Speaker 15: as a player, I remember when I was in Wales

933
00:51:03,587 --> 00:51:05,867
Speaker 15: and you feel like that's the b or and end,

934
00:51:05,907 --> 00:51:07,467
Speaker 15: or then I moved away and you're like, well, hang

935
00:51:07,507 --> 00:51:10,267
Speaker 15: on a minute, let's see the game completely different. So

936
00:51:10,387 --> 00:51:12,067
Speaker 15: I think Steve's done that, you know, and then he

937
00:51:12,147 --> 00:51:15,867
Speaker 15: went to Scotland and he definitely improved their defense. Albeit

938
00:51:16,227 --> 00:51:18,787
Speaker 15: you know, we're seeing this leaking a little bit at

939
00:51:18,787 --> 00:51:21,027
Speaker 15: the moment, isn't it. But I think he's the right

940
00:51:21,107 --> 00:51:24,387
Speaker 15: man because he's welsh Man's Welsh, He's very passionate. He's

941
00:51:24,427 --> 00:51:26,347
Speaker 15: a guy that's going to feel the hurt of the

942
00:51:26,467 --> 00:51:28,507
Speaker 15: nation in terms of you know, being twelve in the

943
00:51:28,547 --> 00:51:31,147
Speaker 15: world is absolutely insane when you think about it, really

944
00:51:31,147 --> 00:51:33,987
Speaker 15: where we were even five, six, seven years ago, we

945
00:51:34,307 --> 00:51:37,627
Speaker 15: were actually weirdly world number one for a week, so,

946
00:51:38,747 --> 00:51:41,907
Speaker 15: you know, not that long ago. So yeah, I think

947
00:51:41,947 --> 00:51:44,667
Speaker 15: he's the right man. He's got some young coaches as well.

948
00:51:44,787 --> 00:51:47,067
Speaker 15: You know, they're going to earn their trades and I

949
00:51:47,187 --> 00:51:49,947
Speaker 15: guess we will figure out in the next eighteen months

950
00:51:50,027 --> 00:51:52,947
Speaker 15: really if that group are really gonna be good enough.

951
00:51:53,067 --> 00:51:55,227
Speaker 15: But the end of the day, mate, you're only as

952
00:51:55,267 --> 00:51:57,627
Speaker 15: good as what you've got to deal with, isn't it.

953
00:51:57,707 --> 00:52:01,547
Speaker 15: In terms of your player pool and the quality of players.

954
00:52:01,587 --> 00:52:03,587
Speaker 15: And if you look at that Welsh squad, the good

955
00:52:03,667 --> 00:52:06,187
Speaker 15: rubber players, but I'd probably say we only got two

956
00:52:06,467 --> 00:52:09,707
Speaker 15: three world class rubber players. The rest are good rugby players.

957
00:52:09,747 --> 00:52:12,827
Speaker 15: But are they up to international level at the moment. No,

958
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:16,067
Speaker 15: But you can sort of forgive some of them with

959
00:52:16,627 --> 00:52:19,027
Speaker 15: obviously the excuses over the last couple of years. But

960
00:52:19,147 --> 00:52:21,307
Speaker 15: it's going to get to the point where Steve's gonna

961
00:52:21,307 --> 00:52:22,827
Speaker 15: have quite a bit of time with these guys and

962
00:52:22,947 --> 00:52:26,827
Speaker 15: if we don't see any I guess identity or a

963
00:52:26,867 --> 00:52:29,507
Speaker 15: bit of fight in these games, we're just going to

964
00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,627
Speaker 15: get further and further behind. In the likes of Arzentina,

965
00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:35,987
Speaker 15: who are absolutely flying. You know, you obviously maybe they're

966
00:52:35,987 --> 00:52:38,027
Speaker 15: going through a bit of a transition period at the moment.

967
00:52:38,267 --> 00:52:41,387
Speaker 15: Australia not sure where they are, but you know, South

968
00:52:41,427 --> 00:52:44,027
Speaker 15: Africa seemed to be just flying further and further ahead,

969
00:52:44,027 --> 00:52:46,147
Speaker 15: and we don't want that gap to get bigger because

970
00:52:46,147 --> 00:52:48,787
Speaker 15: the whole point of the new restruction of this league

971
00:52:48,867 --> 00:52:50,947
Speaker 15: is that we get closer together and it's more competitive,

972
00:52:50,987 --> 00:52:51,267
Speaker 15: isn't it.

973
00:52:52,067 --> 00:52:54,227
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about this game. Do the All Blacks

974
00:52:54,267 --> 00:52:58,307
Speaker 2: feel in any way vulnerable to you given what happened

975
00:52:58,307 --> 00:52:59,347
Speaker 2: at twicking them a week ago?

976
00:53:01,227 --> 00:53:01,907
Speaker 3: No, not all.

977
00:53:02,227 --> 00:53:04,347
Speaker 15: I'll be honest. That game I look at it from

978
00:53:04,387 --> 00:53:07,667
Speaker 15: a point of view where they're You look at the

979
00:53:07,747 --> 00:53:09,947
Speaker 15: stats and you think, how are they lost by that much?

980
00:53:10,587 --> 00:53:12,467
Speaker 15: So that I don't think they're far off it, But

981
00:53:13,107 --> 00:53:17,387
Speaker 15: looking at their team this weekend, it's very It's quite mismatch,

982
00:53:17,467 --> 00:53:19,067
Speaker 15: isn't it for you? I don't know what you guys

983
00:53:19,147 --> 00:53:21,067
Speaker 15: think about it, but there's a lot of players that

984
00:53:21,227 --> 00:53:24,107
Speaker 15: haven't played a lot of minutes together, a lot of

985
00:53:24,187 --> 00:53:26,187
Speaker 15: obviously top perhaps players, don't get me wrong, you know,

986
00:53:26,347 --> 00:53:28,707
Speaker 15: likes of that Rico Idy and Antilip Brown and these

987
00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:31,027
Speaker 15: sort of guys who don't get me wrong. They probably

988
00:53:31,067 --> 00:53:32,587
Speaker 15: just love a night out in Cardiff and then they

989
00:53:32,627 --> 00:53:36,027
Speaker 15: go well every time they come here, don't they. So

990
00:53:36,507 --> 00:53:38,747
Speaker 15: you know, I don't think there's any pressure on them.

991
00:53:38,787 --> 00:53:41,067
Speaker 15: The bookies have got Wales plus twenty eight. You know

992
00:53:41,107 --> 00:53:44,867
Speaker 15: that they're obviously expecting to win pretty well. But whether

993
00:53:44,907 --> 00:53:47,667
Speaker 15: Wales can sort of rattle certain players, you know, they

994
00:53:47,707 --> 00:53:50,187
Speaker 15: haven't had a lot of minutes. They don't seem to

995
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:52,307
Speaker 15: be quite on the money babes, you know, in terms

996
00:53:52,307 --> 00:53:55,467
Speaker 15: of what they're after. Defensively they look quite weak and

997
00:53:55,547 --> 00:53:57,387
Speaker 15: you know, especially off set piece. You know how England

998
00:53:57,467 --> 00:54:00,667
Speaker 15: sort of seem to really get some games through there.

999
00:54:00,747 --> 00:54:03,347
Speaker 15: So Wales Matt Chare at the backs coach is very

1000
00:54:03,427 --> 00:54:05,867
Speaker 15: good at start a place. So if Wales can get

1001
00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:08,707
Speaker 15: a little bit parody in the line out and the

1002
00:54:08,787 --> 00:54:11,147
Speaker 15: scrum Whaloes won't be quite dangerous because we have got

1003
00:54:11,227 --> 00:54:14,787
Speaker 15: some extracts to players, but we just seem to we

1004
00:54:14,947 --> 00:54:17,627
Speaker 15: lose control when we're not winning the front foot game line.

1005
00:54:17,627 --> 00:54:19,707
Speaker 15: And the New Zealand are pretty good defensively as well.

1006
00:54:19,867 --> 00:54:22,547
Speaker 15: And they're very good New Zealand their defensive lineup, so

1007
00:54:22,667 --> 00:54:23,867
Speaker 15: that's gonna be a problem as well.

1008
00:54:23,947 --> 00:54:26,867
Speaker 2: For worse, you first played against the All Black selex

1009
00:54:26,987 --> 00:54:29,787
Speaker 2: And twenty twelve, scored a try and that taste match

1010
00:54:29,867 --> 00:54:33,027
Speaker 2: at calif all of your most vivid memories of that day.

1011
00:54:34,187 --> 00:54:34,747
Speaker 3: Oh, I loved it.

1012
00:54:34,907 --> 00:54:36,987
Speaker 15: It was class I think, you know, I'd only just

1013
00:54:37,027 --> 00:54:39,147
Speaker 15: sort of joined the squad for a year and I

1014
00:54:39,347 --> 00:54:41,507
Speaker 15: was sort of I guess you could say I was

1015
00:54:41,547 --> 00:54:43,147
Speaker 15: probably still a fan mate, to be honest, you know,

1016
00:54:43,187 --> 00:54:46,267
Speaker 15: I was that that team, you know, standing the Hacker

1017
00:54:46,387 --> 00:54:49,067
Speaker 15: was unbelieve atmosphere and you know the team we played,

1018
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:52,067
Speaker 15: you can Nate McCaw ma Carter there was. You know,

1019
00:54:52,187 --> 00:54:54,267
Speaker 15: that's probably one of the greatest All Blacks teams in

1020
00:54:54,307 --> 00:54:56,587
Speaker 15: the long, long time. Isn't it so very lucky to

1021
00:54:56,667 --> 00:54:58,307
Speaker 15: be involved that? And I loved every minute it And

1022
00:54:58,987 --> 00:55:01,267
Speaker 15: we probably were a bit of rabbit headlights, probably gave

1023
00:55:01,547 --> 00:55:03,347
Speaker 15: All Blacks too much respect maybe, and.

1024
00:55:03,547 --> 00:55:05,827
Speaker 3: They got a pretty good first half and we fought back.

1025
00:55:06,347 --> 00:55:08,467
Speaker 15: I think we scored a thirteen man lineup, which was

1026
00:55:08,507 --> 00:55:12,467
Speaker 15: the first I think Gats wanted that, so he got that.

1027
00:55:13,187 --> 00:55:14,867
Speaker 15: And then I remember we played All Blacks a couple

1028
00:55:14,867 --> 00:55:18,267
Speaker 15: of years later and for seventy to two minutes we

1029
00:55:18,307 --> 00:55:20,747
Speaker 15: were winning and actually we all thought we were actually

1030
00:55:20,747 --> 00:55:23,267
Speaker 15: going to win the game, and then a Bowden Barrett

1031
00:55:23,427 --> 00:55:25,907
Speaker 15: Golden Boy chip over the top. You know, it looks

1032
00:55:25,907 --> 00:55:28,627
Speaker 15: like it's still a bounce into Lee Halfpenny's hand, you know,

1033
00:55:28,987 --> 00:55:31,107
Speaker 15: straight into his hand. He scored, and then it sort

1034
00:55:31,107 --> 00:55:33,547
Speaker 15: of just opened the floodgates and m pulled away. But

1035
00:55:34,227 --> 00:55:37,107
Speaker 15: he always love playing your brats because you know they

1036
00:55:37,267 --> 00:55:39,867
Speaker 15: test you in every asset of the game, whether.

1037
00:55:39,747 --> 00:55:43,467
Speaker 3: It's mindset, the physicality. They've got everything.

1038
00:55:43,627 --> 00:55:43,787
Speaker 8: You know.

1039
00:55:43,907 --> 00:55:45,547
Speaker 15: You know when you play other teams like South Africa,

1040
00:55:45,627 --> 00:55:48,347
Speaker 15: you know physically you got to match up Australia. You

1041
00:55:48,427 --> 00:55:50,387
Speaker 15: know they've got great play, but if you match them physically,

1042
00:55:50,387 --> 00:55:52,707
Speaker 15: you could probably outpower them. New Zealand just seemed to

1043
00:55:52,747 --> 00:55:55,907
Speaker 15: have it all and I guess that over the last

1044
00:55:55,947 --> 00:55:58,307
Speaker 15: couple years they may have lost that physicality battle a

1045
00:55:58,347 --> 00:56:00,827
Speaker 15: little bit more, and South Africa probably overtake him. But

1046
00:56:01,507 --> 00:56:04,067
Speaker 15: you know, they've still got some world class players with

1047
00:56:04,147 --> 00:56:06,267
Speaker 15: a lot of talent. You know, I love will Joe

1048
00:56:06,427 --> 00:56:09,507
Speaker 15: and I think he's an unbelievable player, just makes things happen.

1049
00:56:10,547 --> 00:56:13,787
Speaker 15: Rico I only can be anything. Really, thirteen probably not

1050
00:56:13,827 --> 00:56:16,507
Speaker 15: his best position, But and then Damian and Kenzie. He's

1051
00:56:16,507 --> 00:56:18,947
Speaker 15: a box office, isn't he? So it's going to be

1052
00:56:18,987 --> 00:56:20,627
Speaker 15: exciting again. I think there's gonna be a lot of

1053
00:56:20,667 --> 00:56:22,787
Speaker 15: tries scored, so yeah, it's gonna be a fun one.

1054
00:56:23,147 --> 00:56:25,427
Speaker 2: So what would be a good outcome for Wiles? Then

1055
00:56:26,107 --> 00:56:29,107
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound as though you're you know, you're optimistic

1056
00:56:29,147 --> 00:56:30,387
Speaker 2: that they'll won the game? What do you say? Twenty

1057
00:56:30,427 --> 00:56:32,947
Speaker 2: eight plus? The books are offering what would be a

1058
00:56:33,027 --> 00:56:35,227
Speaker 2: good outcome for Wiles in terms of the way they

1059
00:56:35,267 --> 00:56:38,067
Speaker 2: compete across the eighty minutes? Not necessarious school on Alex,

1060
00:56:38,107 --> 00:56:40,067
Speaker 2: but but what you see out there for eighty minutes,

1061
00:56:40,107 --> 00:56:41,067
Speaker 2: what would be a good outcome?

1062
00:56:42,027 --> 00:56:42,227
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1063
00:56:42,227 --> 00:56:43,507
Speaker 15: I think I think you've got to take the school

1064
00:56:43,547 --> 00:56:45,347
Speaker 15: eye out of the game. I think that's let's be honest.

1065
00:56:45,387 --> 00:56:47,107
Speaker 15: I can't come on here and just say, yeah, I

1066
00:56:47,147 --> 00:56:49,147
Speaker 15: think we're going to win, because let's be honest, we're

1067
00:56:49,187 --> 00:56:52,067
Speaker 15: not going to win. But what I want to see

1068
00:56:52,267 --> 00:56:55,667
Speaker 15: is we want to see I want to see aggression

1069
00:56:55,707 --> 00:56:57,707
Speaker 15: at the breakdown. I honestly, physically, I just want to

1070
00:56:57,707 --> 00:56:59,947
Speaker 15: see them go after New Zealand. You know that New

1071
00:56:59,987 --> 00:57:02,467
Speaker 15: Zealand hurt from losing to England. You know us the

1072
00:57:02,547 --> 00:57:04,307
Speaker 15: worst was up for you guys. It's like us losing

1073
00:57:04,347 --> 00:57:07,107
Speaker 15: to what you know. No one's to lose them boys today.

1074
00:57:07,227 --> 00:57:09,587
Speaker 15: So you just want to see a bit of fight.

1075
00:57:09,667 --> 00:57:11,747
Speaker 15: You want to see a little bit of continuity in

1076
00:57:11,827 --> 00:57:15,307
Speaker 15: terms of I like Dan. They're sticking with Dan Embers

1077
00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:17,507
Speaker 15: at ten. I think this new center partnership can work.

1078
00:57:17,787 --> 00:57:19,707
Speaker 15: How do we get Lewis rough standard ball in space

1079
00:57:19,747 --> 00:57:21,947
Speaker 15: because he's the fastest man in the field. He's got

1080
00:57:21,987 --> 00:57:24,867
Speaker 15: great for Blair Murray, you know, I think earlier I

1081
00:57:24,907 --> 00:57:27,107
Speaker 15: want to see him control those airs. He struggled the

1082
00:57:27,187 --> 00:57:27,867
Speaker 15: last couple of games.

1083
00:57:27,907 --> 00:57:28,267
Speaker 3: We want it.

1084
00:57:28,467 --> 00:57:30,747
Speaker 15: If we can win that aerial game or compete in it,

1085
00:57:31,067 --> 00:57:32,547
Speaker 15: we'll be in the game a bit longer. Because of

1086
00:57:32,547 --> 00:57:35,107
Speaker 15: the last couple games we've lost it. We're just giving

1087
00:57:35,107 --> 00:57:37,507
Speaker 15: teams such easy ins and you cannot give the team

1088
00:57:37,587 --> 00:57:39,787
Speaker 15: like New Zealand nllnings so I want to see a

1089
00:57:39,827 --> 00:57:41,987
Speaker 15: lot of tries. I think we can score three four tries.

1090
00:57:42,507 --> 00:57:44,547
Speaker 15: I'd be pretty happy with that. And I look at

1091
00:57:44,547 --> 00:57:47,267
Speaker 15: a bit of identity and and and be a bit

1092
00:57:47,587 --> 00:57:49,547
Speaker 15: imaginative with some of our startup plays. You know, we

1093
00:57:49,627 --> 00:57:51,827
Speaker 15: saw England rip the New Zealand open a few times.

1094
00:57:51,867 --> 00:57:54,147
Speaker 15: So hopefully we can get a few good starters and

1095
00:57:54,787 --> 00:57:57,387
Speaker 15: the platform is good enough to playoff. And yeah, I

1096
00:57:57,467 --> 00:57:58,987
Speaker 15: do feel like there's gonna be a lot of tries,

1097
00:57:59,507 --> 00:58:01,987
Speaker 15: but it'd be obviously the good result for you guys.

1098
00:58:02,947 --> 00:58:05,147
Speaker 2: Just the Finnish. If we just circle back to your

1099
00:58:05,427 --> 00:58:07,827
Speaker 2: your career, and it was only very recently that you

1100
00:58:07,987 --> 00:58:11,227
Speaker 2: officially announced your retirement, as you say, you know, as

1101
00:58:11,307 --> 00:58:13,507
Speaker 2: recently as the last World Cup. You're involved in the

1102
00:58:13,547 --> 00:58:16,027
Speaker 2: Welsh see that with the benefit of a little bit

1103
00:58:16,027 --> 00:58:17,587
Speaker 2: of hindsight, now not a lot, but a little bit,

1104
00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:20,307
Speaker 2: how do you reflect on your on your rugby career?

1105
00:58:22,667 --> 00:58:24,267
Speaker 15: Mate, To be honest, I got I haven't really got

1106
00:58:24,307 --> 00:58:27,507
Speaker 15: any regrets. I've I've I've been involved in some really

1107
00:58:27,547 --> 00:58:30,027
Speaker 15: top teams, whether it's for Wales ex the Chiefs. I

1108
00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:33,227
Speaker 15: won the Premiership and the European Cup. I was lucky

1109
00:58:33,347 --> 00:58:36,027
Speaker 15: enough to be win the European Cup for Cardiff. You know,

1110
00:58:36,067 --> 00:58:38,427
Speaker 15: I've been in around winning teams and I've always had

1111
00:58:38,467 --> 00:58:41,347
Speaker 15: that mentality and I guess it's just served me well

1112
00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:45,387
Speaker 15: in the teams. I've always worked hard and I'll put

1113
00:58:45,427 --> 00:58:46,987
Speaker 15: it to it. I was never the most you know,

1114
00:58:47,827 --> 00:58:50,867
Speaker 15: amazing rugby player, but I grafted me and I worked

1115
00:58:50,907 --> 00:58:53,187
Speaker 15: hard and I did the simple things well, I think

1116
00:58:53,267 --> 00:58:55,387
Speaker 15: over and over and I guess coaches, you know, they

1117
00:58:55,507 --> 00:58:58,387
Speaker 15: looked that, especially in big games, and I hopefully be

1118
00:58:59,227 --> 00:59:02,307
Speaker 15: remembered for the big moments for Wales and for the Lions.

1119
00:59:02,347 --> 00:59:06,467
Speaker 15: Obviously it's called as well. So yeah, I like the

1120
00:59:06,507 --> 00:59:08,267
Speaker 15: big moments and I guess you could probably say I

1121
00:59:08,347 --> 00:59:11,067
Speaker 15: was sort of one of them. And the only thing

1122
00:59:11,147 --> 00:59:14,467
Speaker 15: I do regret is not touring with as straight with

1123
00:59:14,587 --> 00:59:17,307
Speaker 15: Wales to New Zealand. I missed that series. I had

1124
00:59:17,307 --> 00:59:20,107
Speaker 15: to have a New York before and you know I've

1125
00:59:20,147 --> 00:59:22,187
Speaker 15: done the Wellington sevens back in the day and that

1126
00:59:22,347 --> 00:59:24,747
Speaker 15: was well, you know what it was like was pretty good.

1127
00:59:24,827 --> 00:59:27,427
Speaker 15: So yeah, that's the only the only the only regret

1128
00:59:27,547 --> 00:59:29,427
Speaker 15: is just not been able to to tall New Zealand,

1129
00:59:29,467 --> 00:59:31,667
Speaker 15: whether it's for the Lions or Wales. But other than that,

1130
00:59:31,827 --> 00:59:34,507
Speaker 15: met Yeah, I've enjoyed every moment and you know the

1131
00:59:34,587 --> 00:59:36,787
Speaker 15: best thing about it is my boys. Five he ended up,

1132
00:59:37,187 --> 00:59:39,907
Speaker 15: he did get to watch me play, albeit get my

1133
00:59:39,987 --> 00:59:41,227
Speaker 15: head taken off against Fiji.

1134
00:59:41,987 --> 00:59:45,347
Speaker 3: So yeah, no regrets for.

1135
00:59:46,107 --> 00:59:47,867
Speaker 2: You're not the even be the first all the last

1136
00:59:47,907 --> 00:59:50,187
Speaker 2: guy then happened to get to Fiji. Old imagine and

1137
00:59:50,267 --> 00:59:51,947
Speaker 2: look if you can make it down here. She would

1138
00:59:51,947 --> 00:59:54,107
Speaker 2: absolutely love New Zealand, you know, in a in a

1139
00:59:54,187 --> 00:59:57,067
Speaker 2: touring scenes and yeah, those Wellington sevens days gee though,

1140
00:59:57,067 --> 00:59:59,787
Speaker 2: were absolutely iconic. Mate, it's been awesome to catch up.

1141
00:59:59,787 --> 01:00:01,987
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us across New Zealand

1142
01:00:02,027 --> 01:00:04,307
Speaker 2: and enjoy the game. At Cardiff they choose mate, all

1143
01:00:04,307 --> 01:00:06,187
Speaker 2: the best, All the best to you too, Alex Lex

1144
01:00:06,507 --> 01:00:09,267
Speaker 2: but their former Welsh international winger and British and Irish

1145
01:00:09,307 --> 01:00:11,987
Speaker 2: Lions winger as well. These days are rugby pundit and

1146
01:00:12,227 --> 01:00:15,067
Speaker 2: as you can hear, they're a phillly astute analyst of

1147
01:00:15,107 --> 01:00:17,427
Speaker 2: the game. Look, he's realistic, isn't he. He knows that

1148
01:00:17,667 --> 01:00:21,067
Speaker 2: Wales are not going to beat the All Blacks tomorrow

1149
01:00:21,187 --> 01:00:24,067
Speaker 2: morning at Cardiff. Look, I think even the most die

1150
01:00:24,227 --> 01:00:28,587
Speaker 2: hard optimistic of Welsh fans would accept that. Look, it's

1151
01:00:28,667 --> 01:00:33,147
Speaker 2: not absolutely impossible, of course it's not, but it would

1152
01:00:33,187 --> 01:00:38,107
Speaker 2: be a massive shock, the shock of this World Cup cycle,

1153
01:00:38,227 --> 01:00:41,467
Speaker 2: without a shadow of a doubt, if Wales, off the

1154
01:00:41,547 --> 01:00:44,347
Speaker 2: back of what has been a pretty abject couple of

1155
01:00:44,467 --> 01:00:47,707
Speaker 2: years since that Rugby World Cup, was somehow able to

1156
01:00:47,787 --> 01:00:50,387
Speaker 2: tip up the All Blacks tomorrow morning. These talks from Rugby,

1157
01:00:50,387 --> 01:00:52,027
Speaker 2: you can open the lines on it. Oh, eight hundred

1158
01:00:52,307 --> 01:00:56,627
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. I'm not entirely sure. I had to

1159
01:00:56,707 --> 01:00:59,147
Speaker 2: feel about this Test match as I say, we are

1160
01:00:59,227 --> 01:01:03,347
Speaker 2: going to beat Wales, aren't we? But the fact that

1161
01:01:03,387 --> 01:01:07,147
Speaker 2: there are so many changes from last weekend in terms

1162
01:01:07,187 --> 01:01:09,307
Speaker 2: of the team almost creates a little bit of a

1163
01:01:10,227 --> 01:01:12,947
Speaker 2: false economy. In many ways, a decent chunk of the

1164
01:01:13,027 --> 01:01:17,827
Speaker 2: players who faced England aren't even going to be involved

1165
01:01:17,947 --> 01:01:20,507
Speaker 2: in this game in Cardiff. They're going to watch from

1166
01:01:20,507 --> 01:01:27,427
Speaker 2: the stands de Groot, Taylor, Savia Larkey, Roy Guard, Boden Barrett,

1167
01:01:27,907 --> 01:01:32,147
Speaker 2: to Pire, Proctor Carter. How many is that? Nine? Nine

1168
01:01:32,227 --> 01:01:36,107
Speaker 2: players from the starting fifteen last week aren't even going

1169
01:01:36,187 --> 01:01:38,867
Speaker 2: to be involved in this one? So unlike a midyear test,

1170
01:01:39,027 --> 01:01:44,587
Speaker 2: when you can assess the team's ability and players' abilities

1171
01:01:45,387 --> 01:01:48,987
Speaker 2: to bounce back from a defeat. You can't rarely do

1172
01:01:49,147 --> 01:01:52,707
Speaker 2: that in this case. You can't say that if we

1173
01:01:52,827 --> 01:01:55,747
Speaker 2: beat Wales comfortably tomorrow morning, that is the result of

1174
01:01:57,027 --> 01:02:00,427
Speaker 2: being stung last week, because it's an almost entirely different team.

1175
01:02:01,667 --> 01:02:04,867
Speaker 2: It's an All Blacks team with wholesale changes, Guys who

1176
01:02:04,907 --> 01:02:07,587
Speaker 2: have had very little rugby the last month finally getting

1177
01:02:07,627 --> 01:02:10,347
Speaker 2: their chance. And in that regard, it's a good thing

1178
01:02:11,867 --> 01:02:15,467
Speaker 2: we haven't seen Ricco Yowane for ages. When was the

1179
01:02:15,507 --> 01:02:19,347
Speaker 2: last time Riko Juani played a game of rugby? Just

1180
01:02:19,427 --> 01:02:23,187
Speaker 2: trying to work that out. He didn't play at all?

1181
01:02:23,347 --> 01:02:27,947
Speaker 2: Did he against Ireland, Scotland or England. There's a guy

1182
01:02:28,027 --> 01:02:31,427
Speaker 2: with you'd have to think a point to prove. Reuben

1183
01:02:31,507 --> 01:02:35,187
Speaker 2: Love another one. He's had next to no rugby in

1184
01:02:35,267 --> 01:02:37,907
Speaker 2: an All Blacks jersey this year, just a second starts

1185
01:02:38,747 --> 01:02:42,187
Speaker 2: he started against France and Hamilton in the third Test

1186
01:02:42,267 --> 01:02:46,787
Speaker 2: in that series. Finally gets another crack at it. Antony

1187
01:02:46,867 --> 01:02:50,147
Speaker 2: leonnet Brown, Look, you know he I'm sure thinks he

1188
01:02:50,267 --> 01:02:52,707
Speaker 2: still has plenty to offer this All Black side. Even

1189
01:02:52,747 --> 01:02:56,707
Speaker 2: though there's perhaps a school of thought along with the

1190
01:02:56,867 --> 01:02:58,747
Speaker 2: likes of Riko Jouanne and sever Reese is on the

1191
01:02:58,827 --> 01:03:01,187
Speaker 2: reserves bench for this one, that their ship has sailed,

1192
01:03:01,227 --> 01:03:04,467
Speaker 2: that they perhaps have reached the end of their all

1193
01:03:04,507 --> 01:03:09,347
Speaker 2: Blacks career. So Kena know how you think it will

1194
01:03:09,387 --> 01:03:12,347
Speaker 2: play out, and the bigger question obviously is how we

1195
01:03:12,587 --> 01:03:16,427
Speaker 2: rate the year. That will be what dominates the rugby

1196
01:03:16,467 --> 01:03:19,427
Speaker 2: discussion over the next few weeks. We really, I guess,

1197
01:03:19,547 --> 01:03:22,267
Speaker 2: have to wait until after tomorrow to accurately do that.

1198
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:27,147
Speaker 2: We probably should at least give Wales that courtesy of

1199
01:03:27,267 --> 01:03:30,707
Speaker 2: waiting until tomorrow before we start judging a year. Let's

1200
01:03:30,707 --> 01:03:33,907
Speaker 2: wait until the year's actually finished. It feels though, to

1201
01:03:34,027 --> 01:03:39,147
Speaker 2: me like whatever happens tomorrow won't have huge relevance on

1202
01:03:39,267 --> 01:03:45,227
Speaker 2: how we assess twenty twenty five on the whole. The

1203
01:03:45,307 --> 01:03:50,107
Speaker 2: losses this year to England at Twickenham last week, to

1204
01:03:50,347 --> 01:03:54,747
Speaker 2: Argentina in Argentina for the first time, and that record

1205
01:03:54,867 --> 01:03:58,947
Speaker 2: loss in Wellington, these are big talking points when you

1206
01:03:59,187 --> 01:04:01,907
Speaker 2: review a year. But then when you zoom up and

1207
01:04:01,987 --> 01:04:05,587
Speaker 2: out from it and you look down upon it, I

1208
01:04:05,667 --> 01:04:07,907
Speaker 2: feel the same as I felt last Sunday when I

1209
01:04:07,987 --> 01:04:11,347
Speaker 2: said this, there just doesn't seem to be the improvement.

1210
01:04:13,267 --> 01:04:18,067
Speaker 2: The improvement that we all expected that there would be.

1211
01:04:19,707 --> 01:04:22,747
Speaker 2: And at the risk of repeating something I said last week,

1212
01:04:22,787 --> 01:04:25,347
Speaker 2: I do not feel more optimistic about the World Cup

1213
01:04:25,467 --> 01:04:29,187
Speaker 2: now than I did when Scott Robertson took over as

1214
01:04:29,267 --> 01:04:33,187
Speaker 2: coach because and I don't know that many or any

1215
01:04:33,267 --> 01:04:36,067
Speaker 2: all Blacks fans do. Do you, hand on heart feel

1216
01:04:36,107 --> 01:04:39,747
Speaker 2: more confident about winning the Rugby World Cup now than

1217
01:04:39,787 --> 01:04:43,947
Speaker 2: you did at the start of twenty twenty four. We've

1218
01:04:43,987 --> 01:04:45,427
Speaker 2: got some time to talk to some rugby before we

1219
01:04:45,467 --> 01:04:47,707
Speaker 2: get to Perth, to chat with Adam Peacock and then Lord,

1220
01:04:47,747 --> 01:04:49,907
Speaker 2: both of them after two o eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty some preliminary rugby thoughts. I know you'll have lots

1222
01:04:53,547 --> 01:04:56,227
Speaker 2: to talk about tomorrow once the test is done, but

1223
01:04:56,347 --> 01:04:58,947
Speaker 2: if you want to get it early, lines are open

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Speaker 2: Twenty five to two Cold I Charlie, Hey, Jase, are

1245
01:06:13,347 --> 01:06:13,587
Speaker 2: you doing?

1246
01:06:14,027 --> 01:06:14,227
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1247
01:06:14,267 --> 01:06:15,787
Speaker 2: Well mine, I haven't heard from you for a while.

1248
01:06:15,827 --> 01:06:16,307
Speaker 2: How are you being?

1249
01:06:16,987 --> 01:06:19,747
Speaker 16: I know certainly I've been do what I've been doing.

1250
01:06:20,547 --> 01:06:23,707
Speaker 2: You don't have to apologize. You don't have to apologize

1251
01:06:23,747 --> 01:06:25,707
Speaker 2: for not getting in touch Tally. I know, I know

1252
01:06:25,827 --> 01:06:26,507
Speaker 2: how you are.

1253
01:06:26,587 --> 01:06:26,787
Speaker 11: Mate.

1254
01:06:27,787 --> 01:06:29,587
Speaker 16: If I'm ever going to call after an England win,

1255
01:06:29,667 --> 01:06:31,827
Speaker 16: I should have been after We care a bit flat,

1256
01:06:31,907 --> 01:06:35,187
Speaker 16: But I am man. I enjoyed the Ashes yesterday.

1257
01:06:35,267 --> 01:06:38,627
Speaker 7: That was unbelievable. The atmosphere was just absolutely incredible.

1258
01:06:38,907 --> 01:06:40,187
Speaker 16: I just forgot how great it is.

1259
01:06:40,707 --> 01:06:41,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good.

1260
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Speaker 16: That's That's not why I called. I was just wanted

1261
01:06:45,147 --> 01:06:48,427
Speaker 16: to commentation about after watching the breakdown last weekend, which

1262
01:06:48,427 --> 01:06:51,227
Speaker 16: I really enjoy and I don't know if you saw it,

1263
01:06:51,347 --> 01:06:54,027
Speaker 16: but Mills was was free scathing on the coach and

1264
01:06:54,067 --> 01:06:55,827
Speaker 16: such like. One of the things I disagree with them.

1265
01:06:55,867 --> 01:06:57,627
Speaker 16: One he said he thought we had the players at

1266
01:06:57,667 --> 01:07:00,267
Speaker 16: the moment and that it was basically it wasn't a

1267
01:07:00,347 --> 01:07:03,267
Speaker 16: player issue or a quality issue, and I'm not sure

1268
01:07:03,307 --> 01:07:05,947
Speaker 16: about that. And I was asking people at work about

1269
01:07:05,987 --> 01:07:08,627
Speaker 16: how many all blacks today would get into World fifteen,

1270
01:07:09,227 --> 01:07:12,267
Speaker 16: and I can't remember it being a time where that

1271
01:07:12,427 --> 01:07:13,787
Speaker 16: potentially would have been so few.

1272
01:07:15,227 --> 01:07:17,387
Speaker 2: Great filter to look at it through, Charlie, and I

1273
01:07:17,507 --> 01:07:21,027
Speaker 2: agree with you, and then you start comparing it and

1274
01:07:21,107 --> 01:07:22,987
Speaker 2: I know this is a little bit fraught with danger.

1275
01:07:23,027 --> 01:07:25,587
Speaker 2: But then you start comparing this team to the team

1276
01:07:25,947 --> 01:07:28,347
Speaker 2: of say twenty fifteen, and you say, how many from

1277
01:07:28,387 --> 01:07:32,467
Speaker 2: this team would supplant a player from that wonderful twenty

1278
01:07:32,547 --> 01:07:35,307
Speaker 2: fifteen side for example, or any of the great All

1279
01:07:35,347 --> 01:07:37,907
Speaker 2: Black sides that we've we've been watching. There are a

1280
01:07:37,987 --> 01:07:41,627
Speaker 2: couple of world class class players in there, but I, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you that it is not

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01:07:44,707 --> 01:07:47,947
Speaker 2: a generational All Blacks team in terms of the talent.

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01:07:49,307 --> 01:07:50,907
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think we've got some good All Blacks in

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01:07:50,987 --> 01:07:53,427
Speaker 16: the team. I mean, potentially someone like Already we'll look

1285
01:07:53,467 --> 01:07:55,827
Speaker 16: back on that and hopefully someone like Roy god in

1286
01:07:55,907 --> 01:07:59,107
Speaker 16: the future of his early days for him. But in general,

1287
01:07:59,267 --> 01:08:02,787
Speaker 16: you know, someone like Mackenzie for example, that everyone got

1288
01:08:02,867 --> 01:08:06,107
Speaker 16: so over excited about off the Scottish game. For me,

1289
01:08:06,547 --> 01:08:09,187
Speaker 16: solid all black. You know, he can do some amazing things,

1290
01:08:09,267 --> 01:08:11,987
Speaker 16: no doubt, but he'll never go down as a great

1291
01:08:12,027 --> 01:08:14,187
Speaker 16: All Black. I mean, you know, never in the history.

1292
01:08:14,267 --> 01:08:16,507
Speaker 16: And you know, I'm not really picking on him, but

1293
01:08:16,587 --> 01:08:19,387
Speaker 16: I'm just looking across the board about even like a

1294
01:08:19,467 --> 01:08:21,347
Speaker 16: Will Jordan, I don't know where he's going to sit.

1295
01:08:21,427 --> 01:08:24,147
Speaker 16: He's scored lots of tries and such like, but there

1296
01:08:24,187 --> 01:08:26,947
Speaker 16: are very very few right now. I could honestly say

1297
01:08:27,027 --> 01:08:30,147
Speaker 16: that I would remember probably in ten years time and

1298
01:08:30,347 --> 01:08:33,387
Speaker 16: as potentially a great team. And you're right, none of

1299
01:08:33,427 --> 01:08:35,907
Speaker 16: this team potentially would get into that twenty fifteen team.

1300
01:08:36,587 --> 01:08:37,507
Speaker 7: I really don't think.

1301
01:08:38,067 --> 01:08:39,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point, and yeah, I think Will

1302
01:08:40,067 --> 01:08:44,027
Speaker 2: Jordan will absolutely become our top Test tri scorer. He

1303
01:08:44,107 --> 01:08:46,107
Speaker 2: seems to have that on his sites and he's so

1304
01:08:46,307 --> 01:08:48,267
Speaker 2: prolific that no doubt he'll knock that off at some

1305
01:08:48,427 --> 01:08:50,667
Speaker 2: stage in the next year or so. But yeah, when

1306
01:08:50,707 --> 01:08:53,387
Speaker 2: you look back in one of our favorite pastimes, you know,

1307
01:08:53,507 --> 01:08:56,867
Speaker 2: naming ol our all time greatest All Blacks team, is

1308
01:08:56,987 --> 01:09:00,187
Speaker 2: he going to be there at fallback for example, ahead

1309
01:09:00,187 --> 01:09:02,347
Speaker 2: of the likes of a Christian Cullum. Is it going

1310
01:09:02,387 --> 01:09:04,827
Speaker 2: to be one of our great wingers alongside the likes

1311
01:09:04,827 --> 01:09:07,227
Speaker 2: of Jonah and others. So yeah, it's a it's a

1312
01:09:07,267 --> 01:09:10,747
Speaker 2: great fielder to run it through. Mate, Just thought, what

1313
01:09:11,027 --> 01:09:13,427
Speaker 2: I've got you. There's the ashes. I love the issues,

1314
01:09:13,507 --> 01:09:16,787
Speaker 2: absolutely love it. But what a bogger's day yesterday, What

1315
01:09:16,907 --> 01:09:18,387
Speaker 2: a crazy day of cricket.

1316
01:09:19,547 --> 01:09:21,667
Speaker 16: I mean, it was just extraordinary because the pitch didn't

1317
01:09:21,707 --> 01:09:24,107
Speaker 16: really look that difficult. I mean there's bouncy which you're

1318
01:09:24,107 --> 01:09:24,707
Speaker 16: going to get.

1319
01:09:24,907 --> 01:09:25,747
Speaker 7: Over there anyway.

1320
01:09:26,307 --> 01:09:29,267
Speaker 16: But I thought, okay, well the English are going to

1321
01:09:29,307 --> 01:09:31,107
Speaker 16: do what the English do and that you know, they're

1322
01:09:31,187 --> 01:09:35,187
Speaker 16: just crazy. But the Australians, and I'm not really sure

1323
01:09:35,307 --> 01:09:37,147
Speaker 16: quite is how bad their batting is or how good

1324
01:09:37,147 --> 01:09:40,227
Speaker 16: the England bowling is. But if that is a you know,

1325
01:09:40,547 --> 01:09:41,507
Speaker 16: I wouldn't be buying.

1326
01:09:41,347 --> 01:09:44,107
Speaker 7: It to a ticket for the fourth day at the moment.

1327
01:09:44,227 --> 01:09:47,467
Speaker 16: I mean, it could be over today. I mean, it's

1328
01:09:47,747 --> 01:09:50,587
Speaker 16: it's that extraordinary right now that the way the players

1329
01:09:50,627 --> 01:09:52,747
Speaker 16: are playing, I'm getting the pitch will calm down like

1330
01:09:52,827 --> 01:09:55,747
Speaker 16: it did last time they were there, although it's obviously

1331
01:09:55,827 --> 01:09:59,867
Speaker 16: a different environment, but it's just the noise and it

1332
01:10:00,067 --> 01:10:03,267
Speaker 16: just reminds you how much the Australians are crazy and

1333
01:10:03,347 --> 01:10:05,507
Speaker 16: how much Test match cricket and we just don't.

1334
01:10:05,307 --> 01:10:06,027
Speaker 4: Get it here anymore.

1335
01:10:06,067 --> 01:10:09,187
Speaker 16: It's sad that we don't get you the bossing Day

1336
01:10:09,227 --> 01:10:11,667
Speaker 16: Test match and whatever here and I really miss that,

1337
01:10:11,827 --> 01:10:14,667
Speaker 16: certainly coming from the UK, where Test matches that have

1338
01:10:14,827 --> 01:10:15,747
Speaker 16: valued so highly.

1339
01:10:16,627 --> 01:10:19,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to our team getting over the next summer.

1340
01:10:19,627 --> 01:10:21,147
Speaker 2: How good to hear from you again, Charlie mate. I

1341
01:10:21,467 --> 01:10:23,827
Speaker 2: know how busy you are, so I appreciate you taking

1342
01:10:23,867 --> 01:10:26,387
Speaker 2: the time to call and make callback anytime. Oh eight

1343
01:10:26,507 --> 01:10:28,507
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten out his own number, high, Jim.

1344
01:10:29,307 --> 01:10:30,507
Speaker 11: How are you good?

1345
01:10:31,427 --> 01:10:34,307
Speaker 6: I'm just wondering if Scott Robertson has been enough yet

1346
01:10:34,387 --> 01:10:37,987
Speaker 6: to get the fack after all these at least two coaches,

1347
01:10:38,107 --> 01:10:40,867
Speaker 6: and Jamie Joseph and Joe Smith who do a far

1348
01:10:41,027 --> 01:10:44,787
Speaker 6: far with a job. If Jamie Joseph had been coaching them,

1349
01:10:45,227 --> 01:10:49,547
Speaker 6: they wouldn't have been so poorous against the English, I'm sure, Okay.

1350
01:10:49,707 --> 01:10:51,987
Speaker 2: A couple of parts of this, Jim. One is I

1351
01:10:52,467 --> 01:10:55,187
Speaker 2: don't think they will make the change. I saw a

1352
01:10:55,467 --> 01:10:57,907
Speaker 2: reported yesterday by Gregor Paul and The Herald as a

1353
01:10:58,027 --> 01:11:00,787
Speaker 2: possible here. I think he described it as a nuclear

1354
01:11:00,907 --> 01:11:04,027
Speaker 2: option that they would after two years of Scott Robertson,

1355
01:11:04,107 --> 01:11:07,507
Speaker 2: make a change for the next Rugby World Cup. I

1356
01:11:07,627 --> 01:11:10,387
Speaker 2: don't think they will. I just don't know whether they'll

1357
01:11:10,427 --> 01:11:13,467
Speaker 2: have the courage or the stomach for it. And the

1358
01:11:13,547 --> 01:11:15,747
Speaker 2: second part of is that you have to have somebody

1359
01:11:15,987 --> 01:11:18,947
Speaker 2: like a Jamie Joseph or a Joe Schmitt ready to

1360
01:11:19,067 --> 01:11:22,147
Speaker 2: take over. Now Jamie Joseph, as we know, is currently

1361
01:11:22,187 --> 01:11:24,307
Speaker 2: employed by the Highlanders, and he took that New Zealand

1362
01:11:24,347 --> 01:11:27,067
Speaker 2: fifteen job, so he's clearly in and the rounds. But

1363
01:11:27,627 --> 01:11:29,907
Speaker 2: I don't think he brings Tony Brown with him. I

1364
01:11:29,947 --> 01:11:32,707
Speaker 2: think Tony Brown probably stays with South Africa at the moment.

1365
01:11:32,867 --> 01:11:36,147
Speaker 2: So look, would we be in a better position. Don't know.

1366
01:11:36,947 --> 01:11:39,147
Speaker 2: It might all be a moot point, Jim, because I

1367
01:11:39,187 --> 01:11:40,427
Speaker 2: don't think they'll make the change.

1368
01:11:41,267 --> 01:11:41,827
Speaker 11: No, I don't know.

1369
01:11:43,467 --> 01:11:45,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it up though, Jim. Good to kick it

1370
01:11:45,987 --> 01:11:48,747
Speaker 2: around anyway. Look, isn't it Isn't it crazy?

1371
01:11:48,827 --> 01:11:48,987
Speaker 3: Though?

1372
01:11:49,147 --> 01:11:51,107
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? If you and I were talking, you know,

1373
01:11:51,227 --> 01:11:54,747
Speaker 2: at the start of the twenty twenty four international season

1374
01:11:55,187 --> 01:11:57,267
Speaker 2: and you'd suggest it to me, I'll be calling you

1375
01:11:57,787 --> 01:12:01,107
Speaker 2: in mid November next year and talking about a possible

1376
01:12:01,147 --> 01:12:04,267
Speaker 2: coaching change. You know, we wouldn't have believed it, would we.

1377
01:12:04,347 --> 01:12:05,747
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us expect it to be

1378
01:12:05,827 --> 01:12:09,787
Speaker 2: in the situation. Good on your Jim, Thanks for calling

1379
01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:12,267
Speaker 2: and mate, love talking to you. Thanks indeed, nineteen away

1380
01:12:12,347 --> 01:12:14,947
Speaker 2: from two a couple of texts before we move Kilopiney.

1381
01:12:15,027 --> 01:12:16,787
Speaker 2: Only two alarms left for the Northern tour. One to

1382
01:12:16,787 --> 01:12:19,347
Speaker 2: get up to watch the All Blacks play Wales, and

1383
01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:21,547
Speaker 2: one about the current state of All Blacks rugby. Not

1384
01:12:21,587 --> 01:12:23,267
Speaker 2: sure if there's any upside for the All Blacks and

1385
01:12:23,307 --> 01:12:25,907
Speaker 2: what feels like a third fourth playoff minus the medal.

1386
01:12:26,387 --> 01:12:29,027
Speaker 2: If the Bench Blacks play well, there'll be questions about

1387
01:12:29,067 --> 01:12:32,227
Speaker 2: why these players weren't given earlier opportunities. If they don't,

1388
01:12:32,627 --> 01:12:36,627
Speaker 2: there'll be questions about Razors selection capabilities. There seems to

1389
01:12:36,707 --> 01:12:38,867
Speaker 2: be a sense of panic in both the players and

1390
01:12:39,027 --> 01:12:42,027
Speaker 2: coaching staff that is very uncharacteristic of the All Blacks.

1391
01:12:42,067 --> 01:12:45,107
Speaker 2: The text continues, there is not a winning margin that

1392
01:12:45,187 --> 01:12:47,787
Speaker 2: will make up for last week's loss and restore trust

1393
01:12:47,827 --> 01:12:50,707
Speaker 2: in the current coaching panel. And as this fixture has

1394
01:12:50,707 --> 01:12:53,387
Speaker 2: shifted from being a certain win to ice the Grand

1395
01:12:53,467 --> 01:12:58,067
Speaker 2: Slam to becoming a potential banana skin, I wonder what

1396
01:12:58,227 --> 01:13:02,107
Speaker 2: if Wales do pull off a win? Thanks Aden, Look,

1397
01:13:02,307 --> 01:13:04,947
Speaker 2: I think I said before that that New Zealand Rugby

1398
01:13:04,987 --> 01:13:06,667
Speaker 2: won't have the courage to make a change. Don't have

1399
01:13:06,787 --> 01:13:08,667
Speaker 2: the courage or the inclination. The other part of it

1400
01:13:08,787 --> 01:13:12,067
Speaker 2: is also with Mark Robinson leaving as CEO and no

1401
01:13:12,827 --> 01:13:17,627
Speaker 2: appointment in our future, who would actually do the sacking.

1402
01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:20,307
Speaker 2: If they were to do it, I guess it falls

1403
01:13:20,347 --> 01:13:25,147
Speaker 2: to the board. But anyway, as I say, I cannot

1404
01:13:25,187 --> 01:13:29,867
Speaker 2: see a scenario under which they make a change. Wales

1405
01:13:29,907 --> 01:13:32,987
Speaker 2: will play one for the ages, says GT, and eventually

1406
01:13:33,107 --> 01:13:36,067
Speaker 2: take it by three with a penalty right at the end.

1407
01:13:36,387 --> 01:13:39,307
Speaker 2: The singing and the valleys will carry on until the

1408
01:13:39,467 --> 01:13:43,467
Speaker 2: sun comes up. Your reddit here first, GT. If you're right,

1409
01:13:43,747 --> 01:13:46,427
Speaker 2: then I think we will have to close down the

1410
01:13:46,507 --> 01:13:49,107
Speaker 2: news talks. He'd be phone system tomorrow because it will

1411
01:13:49,307 --> 01:13:55,027
Speaker 2: implode upon itself. Thanks for your text. We'll take a break,

1412
01:13:55,067 --> 01:13:57,507
Speaker 2: come back and get you to Perth, where day two

1413
01:13:58,027 --> 01:14:00,307
Speaker 2: of the first ASHES test is about an hour and

1414
01:14:00,347 --> 01:14:03,667
Speaker 2: a half away. Adam Peacock, our regular Australian correspondent, is

1415
01:14:03,747 --> 01:14:05,347
Speaker 2: in Perth. We'll catch up with him shortly.

1416
01:14:06,347 --> 01:14:09,307
Speaker 1: Shod you be the TMO. Have your say on eight

1417
01:14:09,387 --> 01:14:12,707
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with Jason Pain

1418
01:14:12,907 --> 01:14:16,467
Speaker 1: and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

1419
01:14:16,587 --> 01:14:17,107
Speaker 9: News Talks.

1420
01:14:17,147 --> 01:14:19,667
Speaker 2: They'd be news talks. There'd be one forty five, get

1421
01:14:19,707 --> 01:14:21,387
Speaker 2: you to Perth and just a moment with Adam Peacock.

1422
01:14:21,387 --> 01:14:24,467
Speaker 2: Don't forget after two were joined by Lord Botham, Sir

1423
01:14:24,627 --> 01:14:27,307
Speaker 2: Ian Botham. Ian Botham just call them what you will.

1424
01:14:27,867 --> 01:14:30,907
Speaker 2: One of the all time great English cricketers. He's in

1425
01:14:30,947 --> 01:14:32,907
Speaker 2: Perth as well. He'll give us his assessment of the

1426
01:14:32,947 --> 01:14:35,747
Speaker 2: first day where English cricketers at the moment. Does he

1427
01:14:35,907 --> 01:14:38,827
Speaker 2: like the the Brendan McCullum effect. Is he a fan

1428
01:14:38,947 --> 01:14:41,587
Speaker 2: of the way they play their Test match cricket And

1429
01:14:41,987 --> 01:14:44,747
Speaker 2: perhaps we can reminisce a little bit with Ian Botham

1430
01:14:44,747 --> 01:14:46,747
Speaker 2: as well. I was looking at some of the stats

1431
01:14:46,827 --> 01:14:51,867
Speaker 2: actually from what they called Botham's ashes in nineteen eighty one,

1432
01:14:52,587 --> 01:14:58,747
Speaker 2: that absolutely extraordinary ashes series which Ian Botham began as

1433
01:14:58,787 --> 01:15:02,427
Speaker 2: England captain and the captaincy was taken off them after

1434
01:15:02,467 --> 01:15:04,587
Speaker 2: the first two Test matches, a loss and a drawer,

1435
01:15:05,147 --> 01:15:08,707
Speaker 2: and then from there he just and absolutely berserk with

1436
01:15:08,907 --> 01:15:13,387
Speaker 2: bat and ball. And there was that utterly, utterly remarkable

1437
01:15:13,467 --> 01:15:17,307
Speaker 2: Test match at Headingley where England won after following on

1438
01:15:18,267 --> 01:15:20,267
Speaker 2: Ian both Them got one hundred and forty nine not

1439
01:15:20,427 --> 01:15:22,627
Speaker 2: out in the second innings of that Test match, and

1440
01:15:22,667 --> 01:15:27,347
Speaker 2: then Bob Willis came charging in and almost single handedly

1441
01:15:27,427 --> 01:15:31,107
Speaker 2: bowled Australia out for not many took eight for and

1442
01:15:32,067 --> 01:15:35,307
Speaker 2: from there England went on to claim one of the

1443
01:15:35,347 --> 01:15:39,107
Speaker 2: most famous Ashes victories in their history. So Ian Botham,

1444
01:15:39,147 --> 01:15:42,507
Speaker 2: Lord Botham to join us after two o'clock here on

1445
01:15:42,627 --> 01:15:44,347
Speaker 2: news talks, he'd be but let's get you to Perth,

1446
01:15:44,387 --> 01:15:48,667
Speaker 2: where our Australian correspondent, Adam Peacock is completely Bonker's day

1447
01:15:49,387 --> 01:15:53,027
Speaker 2: off Ashes cricket yesterday, Adam England all at one seven

1448
01:15:53,067 --> 01:15:55,547
Speaker 2: two Australia one twenty three for nine. Are we going

1449
01:15:55,587 --> 01:15:56,547
Speaker 2: to get into a third day?

1450
01:15:57,747 --> 01:15:57,867
Speaker 6: Uh?

1451
01:15:58,427 --> 01:16:01,707
Speaker 7: Yeah, Because I stand here outside First Stadium right now

1452
01:16:01,827 --> 01:16:04,027
Speaker 7: about to go in. It's actually sprinkling, so.

1453
01:16:06,427 --> 01:16:07,547
Speaker 8: That might play a part today.

1454
01:16:07,707 --> 01:16:10,867
Speaker 7: But no, it was an extraordinary day.

1455
01:16:10,867 --> 01:16:11,747
Speaker 11: It's cricket. There was just.

1456
01:16:13,787 --> 01:16:18,387
Speaker 7: Unfortunately it feels like modern cricket because things happened quickly

1457
01:16:19,067 --> 01:16:24,867
Speaker 7: when the ball dominates the bat. So yeah, I don't

1458
01:16:24,867 --> 01:16:26,827
Speaker 7: know what to think about what we're going to expect today.

1459
01:16:27,227 --> 01:16:30,507
Speaker 7: I don't entirely know you can actually confidently predict anything.

1460
01:16:31,107 --> 01:16:34,147
Speaker 7: But England are very much on top with this fifty

1461
01:16:34,227 --> 01:16:37,227
Speaker 7: run advantage at the moment, with Australia only one weeket left.

1462
01:16:37,867 --> 01:16:41,267
Speaker 2: Can you can you just just clarify the situation A

1463
01:16:41,347 --> 01:16:45,027
Speaker 2: situation with Osmond Kowaja, who should have been opening the

1464
01:16:45,107 --> 01:16:48,347
Speaker 2: batting but didn't because what he spent too much time

1465
01:16:48,507 --> 01:16:50,947
Speaker 2: off the field during England's and things.

1466
01:16:51,067 --> 01:16:53,467
Speaker 17: Is that right, Well, he was off the field when

1467
01:16:53,507 --> 01:16:56,147
Speaker 17: the innings ended, so you need to be back out there,

1468
01:16:57,147 --> 01:16:59,307
Speaker 17: and I think with seven minutes, you need to be

1469
01:16:59,347 --> 01:17:01,187
Speaker 17: out there for like a seven minute period.

1470
01:17:01,747 --> 01:17:05,427
Speaker 7: So apparently got a backspasm and then matt backspasm meant

1471
01:17:05,507 --> 01:17:10,867
Speaker 7: that he wasn't ready to go on and he wasn't

1472
01:17:10,907 --> 01:17:14,387
Speaker 7: quite right, and that meant he couldn't come out and

1473
01:17:14,547 --> 01:17:16,987
Speaker 7: bat straight away. And then obviously Australia lost the Wigan

1474
01:17:17,067 --> 01:17:20,787
Speaker 7: in his first innings, so then everything falls back and

1475
01:17:21,147 --> 01:17:23,587
Speaker 7: it was he falls down the order. So yeah, it

1476
01:17:23,707 --> 01:17:28,067
Speaker 7: wasn't great, not ideal, but hopefully he gets himself right

1477
01:17:28,107 --> 01:17:30,707
Speaker 7: and he's ready to take his proper place in the

1478
01:17:30,747 --> 01:17:31,987
Speaker 7: lineup when Australia back again.

1479
01:17:32,627 --> 01:17:36,387
Speaker 2: Mitchell starks seven for fifty eight. How good was he yesterday?

1480
01:17:37,107 --> 01:17:37,267
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1481
01:17:37,347 --> 01:17:39,827
Speaker 7: Brilliant, Yeah, just bold in the right areas, but bold

1482
01:17:39,907 --> 01:17:43,827
Speaker 7: with the right rhythm. Knowing him a bit, he's kind

1483
01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:47,547
Speaker 7: of prepped perfectly. He built up, built up, built up,

1484
01:17:47,627 --> 01:17:49,587
Speaker 7: so he's got himself into a physical state, which is

1485
01:17:49,627 --> 01:17:52,227
Speaker 7: really good. He just wasn't happy with his rhythm in

1486
01:17:52,387 --> 01:17:56,467
Speaker 7: terms of spell on spell rhythm going in to the

1487
01:17:56,547 --> 01:17:59,427
Speaker 7: Test match, but he found it yesterday. He was fantastic

1488
01:17:59,507 --> 01:18:02,107
Speaker 7: and he deserved everything he got. Look, the second part

1489
01:18:02,107 --> 01:18:04,547
Speaker 7: of England winnings was diabolical the way they went about it.

1490
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Speaker 7: They lost five to twelve in nineteen four so there

1491
01:18:07,387 --> 01:18:11,107
Speaker 7: was absolutely no patience whatsoever there and the Autralian bowlers

1492
01:18:11,147 --> 01:18:12,427
Speaker 7: just put it in a good area and then the

1493
01:18:12,467 --> 01:18:15,627
Speaker 7: English batters did the west for them. So yeah, he'd

1494
01:18:15,667 --> 01:18:18,227
Speaker 7: be really satisfied with his bowling performance. He wouldn't be

1495
01:18:18,307 --> 01:18:19,827
Speaker 7: verybody happy that he had to go out there and

1496
01:18:19,907 --> 01:18:23,907
Speaker 7: bat in the day's play like he's done his part.

1497
01:18:24,027 --> 01:18:26,547
Speaker 7: And this is where the division between batter and bowler

1498
01:18:27,187 --> 01:18:29,547
Speaker 7: exists in a cricket dressing room. And I dare say

1499
01:18:29,827 --> 01:18:32,507
Speaker 7: not that it was a horrible division in the dressing

1500
01:18:32,547 --> 01:18:35,587
Speaker 7: room yesterday, but there would have been some silent moments

1501
01:18:35,947 --> 01:18:40,427
Speaker 7: between the two sets of proponents that are meant to

1502
01:18:40,467 --> 01:18:42,707
Speaker 7: be good at one thing in cricket, and yesterday the

1503
01:18:42,987 --> 01:18:43,987
Speaker 7: batter just didn't name up.

1504
01:18:44,507 --> 01:18:46,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talked about some of the English shot making,

1505
01:18:47,067 --> 01:18:50,907
Speaker 2: there was some fairly average shot selection among the Australian

1506
01:18:50,987 --> 01:18:52,027
Speaker 2: batters too, wasn't there.

1507
01:18:52,987 --> 01:18:56,147
Speaker 7: Yeah, that just doesn't seem that ability Like the greatest

1508
01:18:56,187 --> 01:18:58,067
Speaker 7: thing you can have in j just cricket is patients

1509
01:18:58,147 --> 01:19:00,027
Speaker 7: and how do you be patient with the ball with

1510
01:19:00,347 --> 01:19:02,667
Speaker 7: the bat and that's just don't try and hit every

1511
01:19:02,707 --> 01:19:07,227
Speaker 7: ball everybody, Like Travis said, for instance, he got himself

1512
01:19:07,267 --> 01:19:12,027
Speaker 7: in twenty and yeah, he makes you pay by being attacking.

1513
01:19:12,107 --> 01:19:14,667
Speaker 7: And he just hit a shot that he picked out

1514
01:19:15,347 --> 01:19:18,627
Speaker 7: on and I'm not joking. There was no one within

1515
01:19:18,747 --> 01:19:20,907
Speaker 7: sixty meters that that guy mid on a part from

1516
01:19:20,987 --> 01:19:23,067
Speaker 7: the bowler, but there was no one else there, so

1517
01:19:23,227 --> 01:19:25,907
Speaker 7: he was just penpted into that to go, yeah, wow,

1518
01:19:25,987 --> 01:19:27,787
Speaker 7: look at all the space over there. I'll go for it,

1519
01:19:28,387 --> 01:19:30,267
Speaker 7: and just picked out He could not have picked out

1520
01:19:30,307 --> 01:19:33,507
Speaker 7: that field or any better. So yeah, on a ball

1521
01:19:33,587 --> 01:19:35,667
Speaker 7: that you can just let go to the keeper, you

1522
01:19:35,747 --> 01:19:38,027
Speaker 7: don't have to get involved with. But that's how Travis plays.

1523
01:19:38,107 --> 01:19:40,667
Speaker 7: So but finding that balance that it feels like it's

1524
01:19:40,787 --> 01:19:45,427
Speaker 7: really finite these days with the in Test cricket, these

1525
01:19:45,467 --> 01:19:47,667
Speaker 7: batters were playing a lot of Test twenty cricket. They

1526
01:19:47,787 --> 01:19:50,667
Speaker 7: just can't help themselves. So I don't know how they

1527
01:19:50,707 --> 01:19:52,507
Speaker 7: find a way to rebult with that Australia. But they're

1528
01:19:52,547 --> 01:19:54,187
Speaker 7: going to have to because if they come up and

1529
01:19:54,707 --> 01:19:56,467
Speaker 7: you know, serve up one hundred and forty hundred and

1530
01:19:56,467 --> 01:19:58,587
Speaker 7: forty in test matches, that these tests are going to.

1531
01:19:58,587 --> 01:20:01,387
Speaker 2: Go to days all right, ninety minutes until day two

1532
01:20:01,427 --> 01:20:03,587
Speaker 2: starts just before you go. The Wallaby's repped there year

1533
01:20:03,627 --> 01:20:06,507
Speaker 2: with the Test match against France Paris tomorrow morning. I've

1534
01:20:06,547 --> 01:20:09,027
Speaker 2: lost to England, Italy and Ireland in the last three weeks.

1535
01:20:09,427 --> 01:20:11,467
Speaker 2: What chance the Wallaby's getting end the year on a

1536
01:20:11,587 --> 01:20:13,187
Speaker 2: high and beat France in Paris?

1537
01:20:14,187 --> 01:20:17,987
Speaker 7: Be a miracle? Yeah, And I'm only going off the

1538
01:20:18,027 --> 01:20:20,987
Speaker 7: way that Australia are performing at the moment. And yeah,

1539
01:20:21,067 --> 01:20:23,187
Speaker 7: that the air has certainly gone out of the balloom.

1540
01:20:23,707 --> 01:20:27,267
Speaker 7: And there's a few questions been asked if Joe Schmidt

1541
01:20:27,387 --> 01:20:30,907
Speaker 7: and but we've been here before and I think I've

1542
01:20:31,347 --> 01:20:33,907
Speaker 7: said it to you more than a few times. When

1543
01:20:34,107 --> 01:20:37,627
Speaker 7: the depth is tested in Australian rugby, bad things happen

1544
01:20:38,027 --> 01:20:40,787
Speaker 7: like that. It's not we don't have the depth of

1545
01:20:40,907 --> 01:20:44,827
Speaker 7: the other nations. We don't like England. They're making all

1546
01:20:44,867 --> 01:20:46,867
Speaker 7: these changes week in week out, and they continue to

1547
01:20:46,907 --> 01:20:51,867
Speaker 7: win test matches. So yeah, it's frustrating because that this

1548
01:20:52,027 --> 01:20:54,627
Speaker 7: is where Australia rugby really needs to look after itself

1549
01:20:55,027 --> 01:20:57,587
Speaker 7: for the future in terms of Okay, balance the book,

1550
01:20:57,787 --> 01:20:59,587
Speaker 7: get them thought of, have the Lions to have the

1551
01:20:59,627 --> 01:21:02,107
Speaker 7: World Cup, get the revenue going in the right direction.

1552
01:21:02,867 --> 01:21:09,587
Speaker 7: But rugby league clubs all around Australia infiltrating the traditional

1553
01:21:09,787 --> 01:21:13,387
Speaker 7: development pathway of Australian rugby, and that's the private schools.

1554
01:21:14,547 --> 01:21:17,787
Speaker 7: They're becoming rugby league schools really quickly. So I've got

1555
01:21:17,827 --> 01:21:21,227
Speaker 7: a few issues behind the scenes Rugby Australia to try

1556
01:21:21,307 --> 01:21:25,107
Speaker 7: and rebuild the depths at the top level. So because

1557
01:21:25,307 --> 01:21:26,867
Speaker 7: things like this are going to happen, we're when you're

1558
01:21:26,867 --> 01:21:30,187
Speaker 7: scratching around on tours trying to find solutions that possibly

1559
01:21:30,227 --> 01:21:33,747
Speaker 7: aren't there, and it's really unfair on the guys who

1560
01:21:33,787 --> 01:21:36,507
Speaker 7: are playing and also trying to coach a squad when

1561
01:21:36,707 --> 01:21:39,027
Speaker 7: they're just it's not a fair fight with some of

1562
01:21:39,107 --> 01:21:42,747
Speaker 7: these European nations and countries like this New Zealand and

1563
01:21:42,787 --> 01:21:43,307
Speaker 7: South Africa.

1564
01:21:44,547 --> 01:21:46,867
Speaker 2: Interesting times. Hey, great the chat has always Adam, enjoy

1565
01:21:47,027 --> 01:21:49,747
Speaker 2: our perth mate. Hope Day two goes well and we

1566
01:21:49,867 --> 01:21:52,027
Speaker 2: get a day three. Always good to catch up. Adam

1567
01:21:52,027 --> 01:21:54,907
Speaker 2: Peacock are Australian correspondent, part of our Saturday seven to two.

1568
01:21:55,067 --> 01:21:57,387
Speaker 2: Coming up to News at two and then we are

1569
01:21:57,507 --> 01:22:00,507
Speaker 2: back to Perth where Lord both of them, Ian Botham

1570
01:22:00,547 --> 01:22:02,787
Speaker 2: going to join us with a chat about the Ashes.

1571
01:22:02,827 --> 01:22:05,307
Speaker 2: We'll also check them with Darryl Mitchell, who this week

1572
01:22:05,587 --> 01:22:08,467
Speaker 2: went to the top of the ODI batting rankings, just

1573
01:22:08,587 --> 01:22:10,987
Speaker 2: the second key we ever to do that. And we'll

1574
01:22:10,987 --> 01:22:14,027
Speaker 2: look at Dan Hookers fight tomorrow morning as well. In

1575
01:22:14,187 --> 01:22:16,707
Speaker 2: Hamilton the Western He's have won the toss and elected

1576
01:22:16,787 --> 01:22:19,547
Speaker 2: to bat first in the third and final ODI that

1577
01:22:20,107 --> 01:22:22,187
Speaker 2: is underway very shortly. We'll keep eyes on that for

1578
01:22:22,307 --> 01:22:22,627
Speaker 2: you too.

1579
01:22:24,147 --> 01:22:26,987
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest Fours issues

1580
01:22:27,147 --> 01:22:28,827
Speaker 1: on and after fields.

1581
01:22:29,347 --> 01:22:30,267
Speaker 4: It's all on WI.

1582
01:22:30,267 --> 01:22:34,067
Speaker 1: Jens Ford with Jason Vane on your home of Sport.

1583
01:22:35,267 --> 01:22:39,067
Speaker 2: Used Talks two seven. This is Weekend Sport on News

1584
01:22:39,147 --> 01:22:42,187
Speaker 2: Talks AB. I'm Jason Pine with Any McDonnell producing the show.

1585
01:22:42,347 --> 01:22:46,147
Speaker 2: We're in Perth again shortly, Lord Botham, Ian Botham to

1586
01:22:46,307 --> 01:22:50,947
Speaker 2: join us Cricketing Royalty after a remarkable first day of

1587
01:22:51,507 --> 01:22:56,107
Speaker 2: the Ashes with nineteen wickets falling, Lord botham gonna chat

1588
01:22:56,147 --> 01:23:01,787
Speaker 2: to us about that and his incredible career. Daryl Mitchell's

1589
01:23:01,787 --> 01:23:03,907
Speaker 2: on the show this hour as well. He no doubt

1590
01:23:03,987 --> 01:23:05,947
Speaker 2: is watching what's happening in Hamilton with the black Caps

1591
01:23:05,987 --> 01:23:08,947
Speaker 2: up against the West Indies, unable to play because of

1592
01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:11,067
Speaker 2: a little groin injury he picked up in christ Urch

1593
01:23:11,107 --> 01:23:14,187
Speaker 2: in Game one. The happy part of that is he

1594
01:23:14,227 --> 01:23:17,267
Speaker 2: can chat to us about the upcoming Test series against

1595
01:23:17,307 --> 01:23:19,947
Speaker 2: the West Indies and the fact he is now officially

1596
01:23:19,987 --> 01:23:23,067
Speaker 2: the world's top ODI batsman, moving to the top of

1597
01:23:23,147 --> 01:23:26,067
Speaker 2: the ICC rankings. During the week, we'll also look ahead

1598
01:23:26,067 --> 01:23:29,507
Speaker 2: to Kiwi Dan Hooker's fight in Kata tomorrow morning the

1599
01:23:29,667 --> 01:23:31,747
Speaker 2: UFC and Kuta for the first time. He'll take on

1600
01:23:31,827 --> 01:23:37,107
Speaker 2: the Armenian Arman Serukian post of UFC on sky Ravi

1601
01:23:37,507 --> 01:23:39,387
Speaker 2: Hunia to join us to preview that one.

1602
01:23:39,747 --> 01:23:39,867
Speaker 18: Well.

1603
01:23:39,947 --> 01:23:42,307
Speaker 2: Keep eyes on the one day are in Hamilton as well,

1604
01:23:42,347 --> 01:23:44,587
Speaker 2: and on Liam Lawson in the final practice at the

1605
01:23:44,667 --> 01:23:49,227
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Grand Prix. So heeps to entertain you hopefully

1606
01:23:49,347 --> 01:23:52,107
Speaker 2: before we hand over the tim beverage for the weekend

1607
01:23:52,147 --> 01:23:54,387
Speaker 2: collective at three. Let's get underway in this hour as

1608
01:23:54,427 --> 01:23:57,547
Speaker 2: we always do around a past two with a look

1609
01:23:57,627 --> 01:23:59,187
Speaker 2: back at some of the stuff that might have happened

1610
01:23:59,227 --> 01:24:02,987
Speaker 2: outside of your sphere of consciousness, some of the stuff

1611
01:24:03,027 --> 01:24:05,667
Speaker 2: you may have missed in case you missed. At the

1612
01:24:05,707 --> 01:24:09,827
Speaker 2: A League back and a red cards couldn't stop Adelaide

1613
01:24:09,907 --> 01:24:12,227
Speaker 2: United from running away with a big one at home

1614
01:24:12,667 --> 01:24:16,867
Speaker 2: over Melbourne City. Barnett's kept it in. Look at the

1615
01:24:16,907 --> 01:24:19,867
Speaker 2: spats for Ryan right in the middle. The bullvet's Ryan

1616
01:24:19,987 --> 01:24:24,387
Speaker 2: White to pretty sit probably up the post again, Bunnet

1617
01:24:24,587 --> 01:24:30,907
Speaker 2: flows up. It's full one, shabby Barnette if four won

1618
01:24:30,947 --> 01:24:33,627
Speaker 2: the final score there at Cooper Stadium to the NFL.

1619
01:24:34,387 --> 01:24:37,707
Speaker 2: The Houston Texans picking up a big upset win over

1620
01:24:37,787 --> 01:24:40,347
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills, and it brings your gear back into

1621
01:24:40,387 --> 01:24:41,027
Speaker 2: the backfield.

1622
01:24:41,787 --> 01:24:46,507
Speaker 12: Flare them out Allan throws off his back foot short picked.

1623
01:24:46,787 --> 01:24:48,067
Speaker 2: At the nine yard line.

1624
01:24:48,507 --> 01:24:53,827
Speaker 12: Full look now, it's over passionate appearance offense and the

1625
01:24:53,907 --> 01:24:58,707
Speaker 12: Buffalo Bills are going to come into Houston at get

1626
01:24:58,827 --> 01:25:01,067
Speaker 12: beaten for the second year in a row.

1627
01:25:01,267 --> 01:25:03,907
Speaker 2: The final score twenty three to nineteen, the Texans moving

1628
01:25:03,947 --> 01:25:08,227
Speaker 2: above fifty percent in winning percine toge staying stateside and

1629
01:25:08,387 --> 01:25:13,027
Speaker 2: NBA basketballer Korea high for seventy six a star Tyrese

1630
01:25:13,187 --> 01:25:16,347
Speaker 2: Maxi pulled his team to an overtime victory over the

1631
01:25:16,427 --> 01:25:18,667
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks Brands.

1632
01:25:18,747 --> 01:25:24,107
Speaker 4: Blown Pascuzman drops it off to Drummond Maxie to the.

1633
01:25:24,187 --> 01:25:27,987
Speaker 18: Left hand perse fifty, a new career high.

1634
01:25:27,907 --> 01:25:31,947
Speaker 4: For mister Maxie. Sixers in prison, nine and six overall.

1635
01:25:31,827 --> 01:25:33,707
Speaker 2: And still with basketball, but close at a home in

1636
01:25:33,747 --> 01:25:37,867
Speaker 2: the Australian National Basketball League, Elawarra Hawks star Javal McGhee

1637
01:25:38,627 --> 01:25:42,347
Speaker 2: was oh so close to forcing the most unlikely of

1638
01:25:42,467 --> 01:25:46,907
Speaker 2: overtimes against Melbourne United his three quarter a court Eve

1639
01:25:47,627 --> 01:25:52,147
Speaker 2: finding the net, but it was released just after time expired.

1640
01:25:52,787 --> 01:25:55,707
Speaker 2: Javal McGhee will have to go from Mick Court in

1641
01:25:55,867 --> 01:26:09,227
Speaker 2: the head way of the Wassena. They're viewing it before

1642
01:26:09,427 --> 01:26:10,947
Speaker 2: the fish of nearest.

1643
01:26:10,587 --> 01:26:12,547
Speaker 7: Development Eve waved it away.

1644
01:26:13,347 --> 01:26:18,587
Speaker 2: We're gonna go through a review. How Nope, Nope, it's

1645
01:26:18,747 --> 01:26:23,707
Speaker 2: up the shop. Talk has expired, The Craig goes unanswered

1646
01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:27,707
Speaker 2: and the Hawks are beaten on What the.

1647
01:26:27,827 --> 01:26:32,187
Speaker 1: Nights analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting

1648
01:26:32,267 --> 01:26:35,507
Speaker 1: World Weekend Sport with Jason Vye then call.

1649
01:26:37,067 --> 01:26:41,107
Speaker 2: Us talks eNB. It has been a chaotic opening day

1650
01:26:41,267 --> 01:26:44,947
Speaker 2: meantime of the first Ashes cricket Test between Australia and

1651
01:26:45,227 --> 01:26:49,987
Speaker 2: England in Perth. Stokes, white of the crease, gets him,

1652
01:26:50,427 --> 01:26:52,427
Speaker 2: just gets biggets when his team made.

1653
01:26:52,307 --> 01:26:55,227
Speaker 18: Then Ben Stokes cars takes the catch.

1654
01:26:56,067 --> 01:27:00,187
Speaker 12: An England captain as he softened does, delivers exactly when.

1655
01:27:00,067 --> 01:27:04,587
Speaker 2: England needs something edge as a carry.

1656
01:27:04,947 --> 01:27:05,507
Speaker 10: They like it.

1657
01:27:05,747 --> 01:27:10,667
Speaker 2: This Harry Porkin. It's five for the captain. A huge

1658
01:27:10,747 --> 01:27:14,427
Speaker 2: statement from them. Starts on the opening day. What a leader,

1659
01:27:14,747 --> 01:27:19,107
Speaker 2: what a man. Incredible first day nineteen wickets falling the

1660
01:27:19,227 --> 01:27:22,387
Speaker 2: most on the first day of an Ash's cricket Test

1661
01:27:22,867 --> 01:27:26,987
Speaker 2: since nineteen o nine. England bundled out for one hundred

1662
01:27:27,027 --> 01:27:31,107
Speaker 2: and seventy two, Mitchell Stark taking a career best seven

1663
01:27:31,227 --> 01:27:34,787
Speaker 2: for fifty eight, but Australia could only manage one hundred

1664
01:27:34,827 --> 01:27:38,507
Speaker 2: and twenty three for nine in reply at stumps on

1665
01:27:38,627 --> 01:27:42,507
Speaker 2: day one day trail by forty nine runs. Day two

1666
01:27:42,787 --> 01:27:45,107
Speaker 2: is underway in just over an hour from now. It's

1667
01:27:45,147 --> 01:27:46,987
Speaker 2: a huge pleasure to welcome in one of the true

1668
01:27:47,027 --> 01:27:49,947
Speaker 2: greats of English cricket and one of the game's best

1669
01:27:50,067 --> 01:27:53,387
Speaker 2: ever all rounders in one hundred and two Test matches

1670
01:27:53,427 --> 01:27:56,987
Speaker 2: across fifteen years in the England side. Ian Botham scored

1671
01:27:57,067 --> 01:28:01,467
Speaker 2: five two hundred runs, including fourteen centuries, took three hundred

1672
01:28:01,507 --> 01:28:04,187
Speaker 2: and eighty three Test wickets along with one hundred and

1673
01:28:04,227 --> 01:28:07,547
Speaker 2: twenty catches. But more than that, he find English cricket

1674
01:28:07,627 --> 01:28:10,187
Speaker 2: during his time in the side, and in nineteen eighty

1675
01:28:10,267 --> 01:28:13,787
Speaker 2: one produced one of the most extraordinary performances in the

1676
01:28:13,827 --> 01:28:17,187
Speaker 2: storied history of the Ashes, leading England to victory with

1677
01:28:17,387 --> 01:28:20,227
Speaker 2: bat and ball. He was knighted in two thousand and

1678
01:28:20,427 --> 01:28:23,227
Speaker 2: seven and in twenty twenty was appointed by the Prime

1679
01:28:23,267 --> 01:28:25,867
Speaker 2: Minister to the House of Lords, so we now know

1680
01:28:26,027 --> 01:28:29,467
Speaker 2: him as Lord Botham. Thanks for joining us, Lord Botham,

1681
01:28:29,507 --> 01:28:31,307
Speaker 2: it's great to have you on the show. Let's start

1682
01:28:31,347 --> 01:28:33,867
Speaker 2: with yesterday. What did you make of the start of

1683
01:28:33,907 --> 01:28:37,387
Speaker 2: the current Ashes series? Nineteen wickets on the opening day.

1684
01:28:38,267 --> 01:28:41,187
Speaker 11: Well, you always say that quick bowls, fast bowls and

1685
01:28:41,267 --> 01:28:44,067
Speaker 11: good bowls win matches, and we've got five very good

1686
01:28:44,107 --> 01:28:46,907
Speaker 11: bowls out there and they're all around well from ninety

1687
01:28:47,027 --> 01:28:50,907
Speaker 11: upwards Miles brow, So that showed yesterday in Australia have

1688
01:28:51,067 --> 01:28:52,107
Speaker 11: looked very uncomfortable.

1689
01:28:52,987 --> 01:28:57,147
Speaker 2: Some of the batting from both sides actually was fairly ordinary.

1690
01:28:57,227 --> 01:29:00,347
Speaker 2: Did you think there'd be a bit more discerning with

1691
01:29:00,467 --> 01:29:03,307
Speaker 2: their shot selection both sides, given it was day one

1692
01:29:03,347 --> 01:29:03,947
Speaker 2: of the ashes.

1693
01:29:05,267 --> 01:29:07,147
Speaker 11: Well, I don't think you're so. He's got very many

1694
01:29:07,947 --> 01:29:12,067
Speaker 11: bad shots though, you're just bowled out and I think

1695
01:29:12,107 --> 01:29:14,267
Speaker 11: that's the way. That's the way it's shaping. And go

1696
01:29:14,387 --> 01:29:16,707
Speaker 11: to Brisbane next our day night, So goodness knows what

1697
01:29:16,747 --> 01:29:20,267
Speaker 11: will happen with that with it, But no, look at

1698
01:29:20,267 --> 01:29:23,147
Speaker 11: a very good day for England. They've got a decent

1699
01:29:23,227 --> 01:29:26,947
Speaker 11: read should things should provide the weather doesn't interfere too

1700
01:29:27,027 --> 01:29:29,947
Speaker 11: much today, But no, I think it's going to be

1701
01:29:29,987 --> 01:29:33,027
Speaker 11: exciting day and almost wrap it up today.

1702
01:29:34,747 --> 01:29:37,427
Speaker 2: Well it's quite possible. Bean Stokes didn't come to the

1703
01:29:37,467 --> 01:29:40,787
Speaker 2: bowl increase until the twenty eighth over, but mcd up

1704
01:29:40,827 --> 01:29:43,747
Speaker 2: five for twenty three from six overs. Just as a

1705
01:29:43,827 --> 01:29:47,107
Speaker 2: bowling captain, how do you know when it is the

1706
01:29:47,227 --> 01:29:48,747
Speaker 2: right time to bring yourself on.

1707
01:29:50,227 --> 01:29:52,547
Speaker 11: Well, I think he saved himself. He let his main

1708
01:29:52,587 --> 01:29:56,747
Speaker 11: strike bowlers go. They're all exceptional. Brad and Cass I

1709
01:29:56,747 --> 01:30:01,307
Speaker 11: thought looked fantastic. He aggressive in the face of the

1710
01:30:01,307 --> 01:30:04,307
Speaker 11: Australians and you know Josh Archer just says to run

1711
01:30:04,387 --> 01:30:07,827
Speaker 11: up and people start to shake in. So no, it's

1712
01:30:08,387 --> 01:30:10,987
Speaker 11: a strong side. This you need to give credit, not

1713
01:30:11,827 --> 01:30:14,547
Speaker 11: saying bad shots and bad shots. You need say they

1714
01:30:14,627 --> 01:30:17,067
Speaker 11: only make those bad shots when they're under pressure. We're

1715
01:30:17,107 --> 01:30:19,827
Speaker 11: not fancying it and you're right.

1716
01:30:19,947 --> 01:30:23,547
Speaker 2: Some terrific bowling. Joshra Archer. He debot for England and

1717
01:30:23,627 --> 01:30:26,627
Speaker 2: Test cricket in twenty nineteen. But this is only his

1718
01:30:26,747 --> 01:30:30,507
Speaker 2: sixteenth Test. He's thirty now, but picked up both openers yesterday.

1719
01:30:30,867 --> 01:30:34,347
Speaker 2: Could he still forge a good Test career in his

1720
01:30:34,507 --> 01:30:36,187
Speaker 2: thirties for England as a fast bowler?

1721
01:30:37,467 --> 01:30:45,267
Speaker 11: Oh thirty not thirties? Yeah, yeah, but no he's If

1722
01:30:45,307 --> 01:30:47,387
Speaker 11: he stays fit and strong, you have a massive impact

1723
01:30:47,427 --> 01:30:49,227
Speaker 11: for probably the next four maybe five years.

1724
01:30:50,467 --> 01:30:54,427
Speaker 2: Another Test fifty yesterday for Harry Brook. Prodigious talents. How

1725
01:30:54,507 --> 01:30:57,627
Speaker 2: good might he become? And he already is, but how

1726
01:30:57,987 --> 01:31:00,107
Speaker 2: good might he be in all formats for England?

1727
01:31:00,707 --> 01:31:05,307
Speaker 11: Well, he's refreshing, he has no fear. He backs himself

1728
01:31:05,867 --> 01:31:08,907
Speaker 11: against who ever's bowling, doesn't matter who it is. Mitchell

1729
01:31:08,947 --> 01:31:11,387
Speaker 11: Stark he charged him the second ball and distracted before.

1730
01:31:12,147 --> 01:31:15,827
Speaker 11: So look, you know he is a unique talent and

1731
01:31:16,547 --> 01:31:19,147
Speaker 11: one that crowds are going to love to watch that

1732
01:31:20,067 --> 01:31:22,787
Speaker 11: he is explosive and can win games very quickly.

1733
01:31:24,067 --> 01:31:26,587
Speaker 2: Are you a fan of England's approach to tat cricket

1734
01:31:26,667 --> 01:31:27,947
Speaker 2: under Brendan McCullum.

1735
01:31:28,587 --> 01:31:30,867
Speaker 11: Well, no, never, Look now it's seventy or eighty runs

1736
01:31:30,867 --> 01:31:34,667
Speaker 11: we're ahead. I leave it with that. Let's have a

1737
01:31:34,707 --> 01:31:37,027
Speaker 11: work for you know, if you're seventy or eighty runs behind,

1738
01:31:37,267 --> 01:31:39,027
Speaker 11: then we'd have a discussion. But at the moment in

1739
01:31:39,467 --> 01:31:41,187
Speaker 11: the driving seat, very much.

1740
01:31:41,067 --> 01:31:43,987
Speaker 2: Sir, And I know there was a bit of check yep, sorry,

1741
01:31:43,987 --> 01:31:44,307
Speaker 2: carry on.

1742
01:31:45,027 --> 01:31:46,667
Speaker 11: No, I's going to say that that's because of the

1743
01:31:46,707 --> 01:31:48,827
Speaker 11: aggressive way they played, and you know you can't have

1744
01:31:48,867 --> 01:31:52,107
Speaker 11: it always. People love it. Crowds are full, the highest

1745
01:31:52,667 --> 01:31:55,587
Speaker 11: crowd they ever had here yesterday. It's going to be

1746
01:31:55,667 --> 01:31:57,587
Speaker 11: like that all the way through this series. It's not

1747
01:31:57,667 --> 01:31:59,347
Speaker 11: a series you want to go to sleep and pasting

1748
01:31:59,387 --> 01:32:00,147
Speaker 11: will change quickly.

1749
01:32:00,827 --> 01:32:04,627
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I know there was some talk about about,

1750
01:32:05,587 --> 01:32:07,787
Speaker 2: I guess a list and comprehensive build up for the

1751
01:32:07,827 --> 01:32:09,947
Speaker 2: England side. Again, we look at yesterday and it doesn't

1752
01:32:09,947 --> 01:32:12,227
Speaker 2: seem to have previcted them too much. Do you think though,

1753
01:32:12,227 --> 01:32:13,987
Speaker 2: they might have given themselves a bit more of a

1754
01:32:14,587 --> 01:32:17,427
Speaker 2: build up to the ashes than the intersquad nets they head.

1755
01:32:18,227 --> 01:32:20,107
Speaker 11: Yeah, well I think I went on record as saying that,

1756
01:32:20,467 --> 01:32:22,747
Speaker 11: and I felt that they needed more time to put

1757
01:32:22,947 --> 01:32:25,627
Speaker 11: the build up. But we'll see that. You know, I

1758
01:32:25,707 --> 01:32:28,707
Speaker 11: love it if they proved me wrong. Happy days, very

1759
01:32:28,747 --> 01:32:29,347
Speaker 11: happy days.

1760
01:32:31,587 --> 01:32:35,347
Speaker 2: Your test career remarkable. Don't know time to cover the

1761
01:32:35,387 --> 01:32:37,027
Speaker 2: whole thing, but I did want to ask about nineteen

1762
01:32:37,067 --> 01:32:41,227
Speaker 2: ninety one, that remarkable series. How often do you think

1763
01:32:41,307 --> 01:32:42,187
Speaker 2: back to that summer?

1764
01:32:43,147 --> 01:32:47,467
Speaker 11: No, as you guys keep reminding me, No, I'm actually

1765
01:32:47,467 --> 01:32:49,387
Speaker 11: I'm pretty relaxed that all that. I think it was great.

1766
01:32:49,507 --> 01:32:54,507
Speaker 11: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the fact we turned people.

1767
01:32:54,707 --> 01:32:58,187
Speaker 11: It must must forget that England was intermoil and a

1768
01:32:58,267 --> 01:33:00,787
Speaker 11: little bit as is at the moment, but it was

1769
01:33:00,867 --> 01:33:04,027
Speaker 11: in turmoil with we had the race, riots, we had

1770
01:33:04,107 --> 01:33:07,827
Speaker 11: the minus strike. Everything you would possibly go wrong, what

1771
01:33:07,907 --> 01:33:10,827
Speaker 11: was going wrong, and we happened to be the guys

1772
01:33:10,867 --> 01:33:13,667
Speaker 11: that just suddenly turned the light on and gave everyone

1773
01:33:13,747 --> 01:33:16,187
Speaker 11: something to look at. So look at the end of

1774
01:33:16,187 --> 01:33:18,187
Speaker 11: the day, Yeah, it was a great moment personally, but

1775
01:33:18,267 --> 01:33:20,747
Speaker 11: there's also great moments from a great team, a very

1776
01:33:20,787 --> 01:33:25,227
Speaker 11: good team and a very good team that hell, there

1777
01:33:25,267 --> 01:33:27,827
Speaker 11: has high you know, we were written off yet again

1778
01:33:28,027 --> 01:33:32,987
Speaker 11: by a wonderful brass and who continuously writes some writers

1779
01:33:33,027 --> 01:33:35,587
Speaker 11: off and yet when they actually start to perform. I

1780
01:33:35,627 --> 01:33:37,587
Speaker 11: haven't seen the headlines today, but I should think they

1781
01:33:37,627 --> 01:33:40,787
Speaker 11: might be quite as severe as they as they usually are.

1782
01:33:42,027 --> 01:33:45,227
Speaker 2: Were they quite severe leading into yesterday before the series

1783
01:33:45,267 --> 01:33:45,907
Speaker 2: even started.

1784
01:33:46,827 --> 01:33:48,707
Speaker 11: Of course they weren't what you expect. They're English.

1785
01:33:50,947 --> 01:33:53,307
Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to get confirmation. Really, I suspect that.

1786
01:33:53,627 --> 01:33:55,507
Speaker 2: I suspect that they might be, but good to have

1787
01:33:55,667 --> 01:33:58,427
Speaker 2: the confirmation. Yeah, well they might be quite there might

1788
01:33:58,427 --> 01:34:00,427
Speaker 2: be a lot kinder today. It's just saying we're looking

1789
01:34:00,427 --> 01:34:02,787
Speaker 2: at up you know, well you hope so, wouldn't you?

1790
01:34:02,947 --> 01:34:02,987
Speaker 11: So?

1791
01:34:03,147 --> 01:34:05,147
Speaker 2: Okay, so get the final wicket and then get back

1792
01:34:05,227 --> 01:34:08,267
Speaker 2: and what is it likely to be like on day

1793
01:34:08,307 --> 01:34:10,387
Speaker 2: two there? Do you expect a bit more application? Or

1794
01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:13,267
Speaker 2: will England just continue to type and go for it

1795
01:34:13,307 --> 01:34:14,627
Speaker 2: at five or six and over if they can?

1796
01:34:15,347 --> 01:34:17,427
Speaker 11: So what's this application? Is that mean you have forty

1797
01:34:17,467 --> 01:34:19,387
Speaker 11: five balls and you have three runs and you get out?

1798
01:34:19,587 --> 01:34:20,227
Speaker 11: Is that application?

1799
01:34:20,747 --> 01:34:21,427
Speaker 4: Well? I don't know.

1800
01:34:21,507 --> 01:34:23,347
Speaker 2: You actually you make a very good point. You're right,

1801
01:34:23,627 --> 01:34:26,867
Speaker 2: it's I guess people look at what how test cricket

1802
01:34:26,987 --> 01:34:30,187
Speaker 2: used to be and applying yourself, playing yourself and all

1803
01:34:30,227 --> 01:34:32,627
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Is that irrelevant now to Test.

1804
01:34:32,507 --> 01:34:36,467
Speaker 11: Cricket, It's not relevant. It's a matter you play accordingly.

1805
01:34:36,507 --> 01:34:39,147
Speaker 11: And I think the pictures are like the usual Australian wickets.

1806
01:34:39,947 --> 01:34:41,947
Speaker 11: This one is a little bit and even bounce, which

1807
01:34:41,987 --> 01:34:45,227
Speaker 11: will continue the cracks to open and drop in pitches.

1808
01:34:45,707 --> 01:34:48,627
Speaker 11: So at the moment there's only one side really, I

1809
01:34:48,707 --> 01:34:53,507
Speaker 11: think is in the strongest, strongest position as the English.

1810
01:34:54,187 --> 01:34:56,907
Speaker 11: At the end of the day. You know these guys,

1811
01:34:57,307 --> 01:35:00,507
Speaker 11: you know, they're in their own world. They're very much

1812
01:35:00,507 --> 01:35:03,187
Speaker 11: to keep themselves themselves. They do a lot of things

1813
01:35:03,227 --> 01:35:07,027
Speaker 11: together and that's that's fantastic. It's great team spirit. We

1814
01:35:07,467 --> 01:35:09,387
Speaker 11: did that in eighty six seven when we came over

1815
01:35:09,467 --> 01:35:12,667
Speaker 11: here and it worked and we thrashed Australia. So hopefully

1816
01:35:12,827 --> 01:35:13,747
Speaker 11: we'll see what happens now.

1817
01:35:14,467 --> 01:35:16,707
Speaker 2: Fantastic. What's the venue like in Perth? Most of us

1818
01:35:16,747 --> 01:35:18,467
Speaker 2: here heaven had the chance to go. Is it a

1819
01:35:18,547 --> 01:35:19,587
Speaker 2: good Test cricket venue?

1820
01:35:20,387 --> 01:35:23,787
Speaker 11: Well, it's it's the only one that's really viable because

1821
01:35:23,907 --> 01:35:26,747
Speaker 11: old sixty thousand or whatever it is fifty odd thousands,

1822
01:35:26,787 --> 01:35:29,147
Speaker 11: so so the stadium, yeah, I mean, i'd love to

1823
01:35:29,187 --> 01:35:32,987
Speaker 11: see the Whacker only had what seventeen thousand capacity, so

1824
01:35:33,827 --> 01:35:36,747
Speaker 11: you know logistically this is where it'll be. The Optic

1825
01:35:36,787 --> 01:35:40,147
Speaker 11: Stadium is very modern. I think it's used by the

1826
01:35:40,227 --> 01:35:43,107
Speaker 11: AFL most of the time as well, so it's getting

1827
01:35:43,107 --> 01:35:45,067
Speaker 11: plenty of service. But that's the biggest crowd they've had.

1828
01:35:45,547 --> 01:35:48,107
Speaker 11: So that's how it says a lot about the where

1829
01:35:48,107 --> 01:35:53,067
Speaker 11: test career is now. It's exciting, it's buistic and it's

1830
01:35:53,147 --> 01:35:54,267
Speaker 11: nice to say that England are in.

1831
01:35:54,347 --> 01:35:57,507
Speaker 2: Charge and look forward to seeing how the rest of

1832
01:35:57,587 --> 01:35:59,547
Speaker 2: this taste and the eshes play out, Lord both And

1833
01:35:59,587 --> 01:36:01,547
Speaker 2: thank you for taking the time for joining us across

1834
01:36:01,667 --> 01:36:03,147
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I really appreciate your time.

1835
01:36:03,907 --> 01:36:06,787
Speaker 11: I'll be joining you in a lovely little island in

1836
01:36:07,267 --> 01:36:09,547
Speaker 11: about a month or so's time, two months, son, so

1837
01:36:09,707 --> 01:36:10,227
Speaker 11: look forward to.

1838
01:36:10,747 --> 01:36:12,787
Speaker 2: Look forward to having you down here, Lord both Them.

1839
01:36:12,827 --> 01:36:16,187
Speaker 2: Thanks indeed, that's Ian Botham. Lord Botham, of course, one

1840
01:36:16,227 --> 01:36:19,307
Speaker 2: of the great all rounders of his time, of any

1841
01:36:19,387 --> 01:36:22,307
Speaker 2: time you remember back to the eighties and he and

1842
01:36:22,507 --> 01:36:25,787
Speaker 2: Sir Richard Hadley Cappel, Devan Rahan Kahan, you know, they

1843
01:36:26,307 --> 01:36:29,387
Speaker 2: were just a generational bunch of all rounders and you

1844
01:36:29,427 --> 01:36:32,267
Speaker 2: look at the numbers that that Ian both them put

1845
01:36:32,347 --> 01:36:34,907
Speaker 2: up and they still stand the test of time today.

1846
01:36:35,867 --> 01:36:38,627
Speaker 2: You know, to be able to score over five thousand

1847
01:36:38,747 --> 01:36:42,187
Speaker 2: Test runs and take close to four hundred Test wickets,

1848
01:36:42,827 --> 01:36:45,147
Speaker 2: I mean, those are the numbers that were unheard of

1849
01:36:45,347 --> 01:36:50,747
Speaker 2: back then. And that nineteen eighty one Ashes series, as

1850
01:36:50,787 --> 01:36:54,627
Speaker 2: I was saying before two o'clock, Ian Botham started that

1851
01:36:54,867 --> 01:36:59,667
Speaker 2: series as England captain and after a draw and a loss,

1852
01:36:59,907 --> 01:37:02,947
Speaker 2: and in the second loss he got a pair I

1853
01:37:03,067 --> 01:37:06,667
Speaker 2: think a pair of ducks and he was remove moved

1854
01:37:06,707 --> 01:37:09,587
Speaker 2: from the captain c but then went on to play

1855
01:37:09,707 --> 01:37:15,387
Speaker 2: an absolutely starring role with bat and ball to help

1856
01:37:15,427 --> 01:37:17,427
Speaker 2: England to a what eventually turned out to be a

1857
01:37:17,507 --> 01:37:19,987
Speaker 2: three to one series win. Six Test matches in that

1858
01:37:20,067 --> 01:37:23,467
Speaker 2: Ashes series, one hundred and forty nine not out as

1859
01:37:23,547 --> 01:37:27,787
Speaker 2: England followed on in that Test match at Headingley. Then

1860
01:37:27,827 --> 01:37:30,347
Speaker 2: he got another one hundred later in the series he

1861
01:37:30,947 --> 01:37:34,067
Speaker 2: got a five for like five for eleven or something

1862
01:37:34,667 --> 01:37:36,747
Speaker 2: in one of the other Test matches to bowl England

1863
01:37:36,787 --> 01:37:40,267
Speaker 2: to victory. Just absolutely remarkable. The fact we're still talking

1864
01:37:40,307 --> 01:37:44,667
Speaker 2: about an Ash's series forty four years later, when there's

1865
01:37:44,667 --> 01:37:48,627
Speaker 2: been so much cricket since both them's ashes. Yeh, remember

1866
01:37:49,467 --> 01:37:51,587
Speaker 2: I remember sort of seeing it as a young boy.

1867
01:37:51,667 --> 01:37:54,907
Speaker 2: I read a lot about that series and there was

1868
01:37:54,987 --> 01:37:58,867
Speaker 2: that famous story. Wasn't about that Headingley Test? Where was it?

1869
01:37:58,907 --> 01:38:03,227
Speaker 2: Dennis Lilly and Rod Marsh they bet that they saw

1870
01:38:03,347 --> 01:38:06,227
Speaker 2: odds of five hundred to one for England to win

1871
01:38:06,427 --> 01:38:08,347
Speaker 2: that Test after they had been asked to follow on,

1872
01:38:09,547 --> 01:38:14,547
Speaker 2: and they took They took the bet. They basically bet

1873
01:38:14,627 --> 01:38:18,307
Speaker 2: against themselves. Yeah, much simpler times back then. There was

1874
01:38:18,347 --> 01:38:22,067
Speaker 2: a bit of a backlash after that happened. So if

1875
01:38:22,067 --> 01:38:24,907
Speaker 2: we look at the current game, if you haven't caught

1876
01:38:24,947 --> 01:38:27,307
Speaker 2: up with the score yesterday, it was just terrific theater.

1877
01:38:28,267 --> 01:38:31,947
Speaker 2: You know, I still feel like you can apply yourself

1878
01:38:31,987 --> 01:38:33,027
Speaker 2: in Test cricket, can't you.

1879
01:38:33,147 --> 01:38:33,387
Speaker 11: You can?

1880
01:38:33,707 --> 01:38:36,747
Speaker 2: You know you can play yourself and you've got five days,

1881
01:38:37,267 --> 01:38:40,627
Speaker 2: not just twenty overs anyway, one seventy two all out

1882
01:38:40,667 --> 01:38:44,067
Speaker 2: England and then Australia one twenty three for nine. I

1883
01:38:44,187 --> 01:38:48,187
Speaker 2: thought some of England's shot making and there back half

1884
01:38:48,187 --> 01:38:50,307
Speaker 2: of their first time it was pretty pretty ordinary. There

1885
01:38:50,347 --> 01:38:52,787
Speaker 2: were some fairly ordinary shots played. But then again I

1886
01:38:52,827 --> 01:38:57,027
Speaker 2: thought Australia too, there's some trummy the ball Travis Head

1887
01:38:57,067 --> 01:39:01,547
Speaker 2: got out too. Yeah, not great. Email here from Glenn, Hi,

1888
01:39:01,667 --> 01:39:05,947
Speaker 2: Jason heard you on Heather Show yesterday, very disappointed. The

1889
01:39:06,027 --> 01:39:08,627
Speaker 2: ash is England via Australia and you weren't sure who

1890
01:39:08,667 --> 01:39:12,147
Speaker 2: to root for? Punintended, seriously, the author cricket team the

1891
01:39:12,187 --> 01:39:15,507
Speaker 2: most unlikable and despicable team on the planet after Manchester.

1892
01:39:15,587 --> 01:39:19,507
Speaker 2: You're not, Glenn goes on to say. But actually, on

1893
01:39:19,547 --> 01:39:21,707
Speaker 2: a serious note, what is it with New Zealanders who

1894
01:39:21,787 --> 01:39:24,347
Speaker 2: just like to hate anything English? You can follow an

1895
01:39:24,387 --> 01:39:27,187
Speaker 2: English football team. It does annoy me and is why

1896
01:39:27,427 --> 01:39:30,507
Speaker 2: I do, says Glenn, actually cheer for anyone against the

1897
01:39:30,547 --> 01:39:33,307
Speaker 2: all Blacks, Australia included, to be honest, even the French

1898
01:39:34,027 --> 01:39:35,827
Speaker 2: different from all the other codes. But the Abs n

1899
01:39:36,027 --> 01:39:38,747
Speaker 2: because of any supporters are arrogant. It's your typical AB's fan,

1900
01:39:39,027 --> 01:39:41,907
Speaker 2: although that is fast dissipating and destined for the bin

1901
01:39:42,307 --> 01:39:46,267
Speaker 2: as the century long aura has gone forever. Anyway, enough,

1902
01:39:46,307 --> 01:39:49,147
Speaker 2: said says Glenn. Thankfully the internation will break is over.

1903
01:39:49,227 --> 01:39:51,707
Speaker 2: We've got Premier League action again. Thank you, Glenn, appreciate

1904
01:39:51,747 --> 01:39:55,267
Speaker 2: it very much. In Hamilton, speaking of cricket, just an

1905
01:39:55,307 --> 01:39:57,627
Speaker 2: update before we move. The West Indies, having won the

1906
01:39:57,707 --> 01:40:00,747
Speaker 2: toss and elected to bat first, are thirty one for

1907
01:40:00,907 --> 01:40:05,107
Speaker 2: two in the sixth over, thirty one for two after

1908
01:40:05,707 --> 01:40:07,227
Speaker 2: five and a bit ter. So I'll just bring the

1909
01:40:07,227 --> 01:40:09,947
Speaker 2: scorecard up so I can let you know who's been

1910
01:40:09,987 --> 01:40:12,987
Speaker 2: among the wickets for New Zealand. What a surprise Matt

1911
01:40:13,027 --> 01:40:16,507
Speaker 2: Henry two for fourteen, two for fourteen for Matt Henry.

1912
01:40:16,627 --> 01:40:19,547
Speaker 2: The West Indies thirty one for two in the sixth

1913
01:40:19,707 --> 01:40:23,947
Speaker 2: over two twenty five. When we come back, we're close

1914
01:40:24,027 --> 01:40:26,867
Speaker 2: to the home and still talking cricket. Darryl Mitchell is

1915
01:40:27,067 --> 01:40:31,147
Speaker 2: top of the ICC One Day International batting ranking. See

1916
01:40:31,267 --> 01:40:36,747
Speaker 2: is officially the world's best ODI batsman. Not available today

1917
01:40:36,827 --> 01:40:38,787
Speaker 2: through a groin injury, but available to chat to us.

1918
01:40:39,107 --> 01:40:40,427
Speaker 2: Darryl Mitchell with us right after this.

1919
01:40:41,387 --> 01:40:45,267
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason

1920
01:40:45,307 --> 01:40:49,347
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

1921
01:40:49,467 --> 01:40:52,867
Speaker 2: News talks then be two twenty eight on Weekend Sport.

1922
01:40:52,987 --> 01:40:57,387
Speaker 2: Darryl Mitchell is officially the world's best One Day International batsman.

1923
01:41:00,987 --> 01:41:02,227
Speaker 2: Pulls away and.

1924
01:41:02,347 --> 01:41:07,547
Speaker 18: He gets it, finds the gap, does Darryl Mitchell, and

1925
01:41:07,747 --> 01:41:13,107
Speaker 18: it's the raise the bat moment, simply brilliant for Mitchell

1926
01:41:13,227 --> 01:41:16,227
Speaker 18: on his way to his seventh One Day International hundred.

1927
01:41:16,987 --> 01:41:19,667
Speaker 2: Yeah wonderful innings one hundred and nineteen against the West

1928
01:41:19,707 --> 01:41:23,067
Speaker 2: Indies and christ Church last Sunday, moving Daryl Mitchell to

1929
01:41:23,187 --> 01:41:26,867
Speaker 2: the top of the ICC ODI rankings. It's just the

1930
01:41:26,987 --> 01:41:30,507
Speaker 2: second time a New Zealander has occupied the top spot,

1931
01:41:30,587 --> 01:41:33,987
Speaker 2: following Glenn Turner's reign all the way back in nineteen

1932
01:41:34,147 --> 01:41:37,787
Speaker 2: seventy nine. Others such as Martin Crowe, Nathan Astal Came

1933
01:41:37,787 --> 01:41:40,467
Speaker 2: Williamson and Ross Taylor have spent time in the top

1934
01:41:40,627 --> 01:41:43,787
Speaker 2: five of the ODI batting rankings, but have never been

1935
01:41:44,427 --> 01:41:48,427
Speaker 2: number one. Unfortunately, Daryl Mitchell injured himself during that innings

1936
01:41:48,467 --> 01:41:50,107
Speaker 2: and was ruled out for the rest of the three

1937
01:41:50,147 --> 01:41:52,627
Speaker 2: match series, but that has allowed him to join us

1938
01:41:52,667 --> 01:41:54,907
Speaker 2: for a chat. I want to get to the number

1939
01:41:55,027 --> 01:41:57,547
Speaker 2: one ranking in a sect, Daryl, and congratulate you on that,

1940
01:41:57,627 --> 01:42:00,387
Speaker 2: but how is the injury and crucially will you be

1941
01:42:00,467 --> 01:42:04,027
Speaker 2: okay for the West Indies Test matches starting in around

1942
01:42:04,467 --> 01:42:05,387
Speaker 2: ten days from now?

1943
01:42:06,667 --> 01:42:06,827
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1944
01:42:06,827 --> 01:42:09,227
Speaker 8: Fastly have yeah, nice to catch up with you. Yeah, look,

1945
01:42:09,227 --> 01:42:12,187
Speaker 8: obviously Niggli timing to pick up a little grond injury.

1946
01:42:12,227 --> 01:42:14,307
Speaker 8: It's yeah, not what you want, but y'are aiming to

1947
01:42:14,387 --> 01:42:17,107
Speaker 8: be back for that first Test. There's obviously some pretty

1948
01:42:17,147 --> 01:42:18,867
Speaker 8: key things with tick off over the next sort of

1949
01:42:18,907 --> 01:42:20,947
Speaker 8: ten days or so to try and get right for

1950
01:42:21,027 --> 01:42:23,387
Speaker 8: that first ball. But you'll be doing everything I can

1951
01:42:23,507 --> 01:42:25,507
Speaker 8: to try and be there at Hagley.

1952
01:42:25,427 --> 01:42:28,187
Speaker 2: Promising news, good stuff. All right, Well, congratulations on being

1953
01:42:28,267 --> 01:42:30,907
Speaker 2: number one. You've never struck me as a man who's

1954
01:42:31,147 --> 01:42:35,067
Speaker 2: driven really deeply by milestones. But what doesn't mean to

1955
01:42:35,187 --> 01:42:37,387
Speaker 2: be just the second New Zealand at a top the

1956
01:42:37,627 --> 01:42:38,907
Speaker 2: icc ODI rankings.

1957
01:42:39,827 --> 01:42:42,227
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's obviously something a year you don't aim

1958
01:42:42,307 --> 01:42:45,507
Speaker 8: for or even think you'll ever achieve. But I guess yes,

1959
01:42:45,627 --> 01:42:48,267
Speaker 8: having sitting back over the last few days and recognizing

1960
01:42:48,347 --> 01:42:50,107
Speaker 8: that apart from Glen turn And no one else has

1961
01:42:50,147 --> 01:42:52,627
Speaker 8: done it, it's very special. It's probably something that will

1962
01:42:53,107 --> 01:42:54,747
Speaker 8: I guess at the end of your career you probably

1963
01:42:54,787 --> 01:42:56,627
Speaker 8: look back on very fondly, more than I guess when

1964
01:42:56,667 --> 01:42:58,827
Speaker 8: you're in the in the middle of your trying to

1965
01:42:58,907 --> 01:42:59,347
Speaker 8: do your thing.

1966
01:42:59,747 --> 01:43:02,307
Speaker 2: It's a brilliant record you've fashioned in fifty over cricket,

1967
01:43:02,347 --> 01:43:05,027
Speaker 2: fifty six matches now for New Zealand, nearly two and

1968
01:43:05,067 --> 01:43:07,867
Speaker 2: a half thousand runs. You ever over fifty three your

1969
01:43:07,947 --> 01:43:11,107
Speaker 2: century the other day you're seventh in the format. What

1970
01:43:11,267 --> 01:43:14,387
Speaker 2: do you think you've had such good success in fifty

1971
01:43:14,467 --> 01:43:15,027
Speaker 2: over cricket.

1972
01:43:16,827 --> 01:43:19,787
Speaker 8: Look, I've said it before, and I just love playing

1973
01:43:19,787 --> 01:43:23,027
Speaker 8: for New Zeland and especially across all three formats. You know,

1974
01:43:23,107 --> 01:43:24,707
Speaker 8: it's a real challenge to be able to keep backing

1975
01:43:24,787 --> 01:43:27,707
Speaker 8: up over the three formats day after day. So yeah, look,

1976
01:43:27,867 --> 01:43:29,587
Speaker 8: I just love I love wearing the silver fir and

1977
01:43:29,627 --> 01:43:32,427
Speaker 8: I love getting stuck into contests and trying to win

1978
01:43:32,507 --> 01:43:35,347
Speaker 8: little moments. That's kind of what drives me and across

1979
01:43:35,347 --> 01:43:37,587
Speaker 8: all three formats. So yeah, it's loally good. Suns.

1980
01:43:37,787 --> 01:43:40,347
Speaker 2: How much adjustment does it take because it seems, you know,

1981
01:43:40,547 --> 01:43:42,547
Speaker 2: as I say, one day you're playing T twenty in

1982
01:43:42,627 --> 01:43:44,907
Speaker 2: fifty over stuff we just mentioned before getting ready for

1983
01:43:44,987 --> 01:43:48,667
Speaker 2: Red Bull cricket. How does the adjustment work? And have

1984
01:43:48,787 --> 01:43:51,467
Speaker 2: you got better at switching between the formats?

1985
01:43:52,187 --> 01:43:54,307
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's definitely evolved over my career, and

1986
01:43:54,427 --> 01:43:56,627
Speaker 8: I guess I'm lucky now I'm a little bit older

1987
01:43:56,667 --> 01:43:58,747
Speaker 8: and I know how I need to prepare for each format,

1988
01:43:58,827 --> 01:44:01,227
Speaker 8: and I guess the key little things at the two

1989
01:44:01,347 --> 01:44:04,107
Speaker 8: day out day out trainings that I need to tinkle

1990
01:44:04,187 --> 01:44:05,907
Speaker 8: with to be ready to go for each format they

1991
01:44:05,947 --> 01:44:08,907
Speaker 8: bring different challenges, but it's also good fun trying to

1992
01:44:09,507 --> 01:44:10,547
Speaker 8: chop and change between them.

1993
01:44:10,907 --> 01:44:13,387
Speaker 2: How much has the way you banned in fifty over

1994
01:44:13,507 --> 01:44:14,387
Speaker 2: cricket changed?

1995
01:44:16,747 --> 01:44:19,187
Speaker 8: I don't think. I think for me, it's just it's

1996
01:44:19,627 --> 01:44:22,347
Speaker 8: whatever the team needs in that moment. A lot of

1997
01:44:22,387 --> 01:44:25,107
Speaker 8: it we talk about partnerships and working together with your

1998
01:44:25,107 --> 01:44:27,867
Speaker 8: mate down the other end. Obviously, conditions around the world

1999
01:44:27,947 --> 01:44:30,627
Speaker 8: differ at ground to ground, so it's adapting to what

2000
01:44:30,747 --> 01:44:33,267
Speaker 8: you see on that surface and what way as a

2001
01:44:33,307 --> 01:44:35,387
Speaker 8: partnership we can keep trying to find ways to put

2002
01:44:35,427 --> 01:44:38,027
Speaker 8: pressure on them. One day cricket, you got a little

2003
01:44:38,027 --> 01:44:39,867
Speaker 8: bit more time than T twenty cricket, so you probably

2004
01:44:39,867 --> 01:44:42,067
Speaker 8: don't need to be as high risk, but you need

2005
01:44:42,107 --> 01:44:44,547
Speaker 8: to build partnerships for longer periods of time. But I

2006
01:44:44,587 --> 01:44:46,907
Speaker 8: guess my role in that sort of four spot across

2007
01:44:47,067 --> 01:44:49,387
Speaker 8: both T twenty and and One day cricket is keep

2008
01:44:49,427 --> 01:44:52,227
Speaker 8: trying to find ways to put pressure on them, and yeah,

2009
01:44:52,467 --> 01:44:53,787
Speaker 8: do that for as long as they can.

2010
01:44:54,227 --> 01:44:57,307
Speaker 2: Has playing so much T twenty cricket changed the way

2011
01:44:57,387 --> 01:44:59,387
Speaker 2: that you bant in fifty over.

2012
01:44:59,307 --> 01:45:03,467
Speaker 8: Cricket, I think it probably gives you more confidence when

2013
01:45:03,467 --> 01:45:05,587
Speaker 8: you want to want to put someone under pressure and

2014
01:45:06,467 --> 01:45:09,067
Speaker 8: take on different field settings, You've probably got the confidence

2015
01:45:09,107 --> 01:45:10,307
Speaker 8: you can do it because you've done it in T

2016
01:45:10,467 --> 01:45:13,267
Speaker 8: twenty crickets. But also I think there's a nature of

2017
01:45:13,387 --> 01:45:16,187
Speaker 8: the Test game as well with absorbing spells early on

2018
01:45:16,267 --> 01:45:18,427
Speaker 8: when that new balls, fishing news islander is doing a bit,

2019
01:45:18,507 --> 01:45:20,787
Speaker 8: and then you can use your T twenty skills later

2020
01:45:20,867 --> 01:45:23,267
Speaker 8: on in the innings to try and increase I guess

2021
01:45:23,267 --> 01:45:25,107
Speaker 8: where we want to be and when you're working.

2022
01:45:24,987 --> 01:45:27,427
Speaker 2: On your batting, let's go back to fifty over cricket.

2023
01:45:27,507 --> 01:45:30,827
Speaker 2: Are you looking for new scoring areas or are you

2024
01:45:30,947 --> 01:45:32,747
Speaker 2: pretty comfortable in your game now that you've got your

2025
01:45:32,787 --> 01:45:35,707
Speaker 2: scoring areas and you just work to enhance those as

2026
01:45:35,787 --> 01:45:36,427
Speaker 2: much as you can.

2027
01:45:37,307 --> 01:45:38,667
Speaker 8: Now, I think you're always trying to get better. You

2028
01:45:38,667 --> 01:45:41,667
Speaker 8: always trying to find ways. I mean, bowlers are adapting

2029
01:45:41,747 --> 01:45:43,227
Speaker 8: to what you do and trying to find ways to

2030
01:45:43,267 --> 01:45:45,187
Speaker 8: shut you down, just that you're trying to find ways

2031
01:45:45,187 --> 01:45:48,467
Speaker 8: to score against them. So it's constantly evolving. And that's

2032
01:45:48,507 --> 01:45:50,707
Speaker 8: the cool thing about the game is you can't sit

2033
01:45:50,787 --> 01:45:52,067
Speaker 8: still going to keep trying to get better.

2034
01:45:52,227 --> 01:45:54,187
Speaker 2: One hundred the other day, as are saying Christ Jitch,

2035
01:45:54,227 --> 01:45:56,147
Speaker 2: there seem to be a lot of emotion and elation

2036
01:45:56,867 --> 01:46:00,347
Speaker 2: wrapped around your tongue down there. Was it particularly special

2037
01:46:00,427 --> 01:46:01,187
Speaker 2: for you that innings?

2038
01:46:02,867 --> 01:46:04,707
Speaker 8: Look, it's nice, I guess doing it at home at

2039
01:46:05,067 --> 01:46:07,227
Speaker 8: my home ground where I show for work each day

2040
01:46:07,267 --> 01:46:09,547
Speaker 8: and do all the hard stuff that no one sees.

2041
01:46:09,627 --> 01:46:11,947
Speaker 8: So it's nice to that. And obviously family as well.

2042
01:46:12,307 --> 01:46:14,427
Speaker 8: The girls were there, which is always cool, and you're

2043
01:46:14,507 --> 01:46:15,827
Speaker 8: nice for them, I guess to see Dad get one

2044
01:46:15,907 --> 01:46:16,827
Speaker 8: hundred very cool.

2045
01:46:17,147 --> 01:46:20,147
Speaker 2: Tell us about Mitchell Saton's leadership of our white ball sides.

2046
01:46:20,227 --> 01:46:22,227
Speaker 2: It's something he's been doing for a little while. Now,

2047
01:46:22,747 --> 01:46:25,667
Speaker 2: what sort of style is he bringing as ODI and

2048
01:46:25,827 --> 01:46:27,427
Speaker 2: T twenty captain for New Zealand.

2049
01:46:28,747 --> 01:46:30,947
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, he's obviously done it for a while. He's

2050
01:46:30,987 --> 01:46:33,307
Speaker 8: a good friend and we've known each other a long time,

2051
01:46:33,347 --> 01:46:35,347
Speaker 8: so I'm very proud of I guess what he's achieving

2052
01:46:35,507 --> 01:46:38,387
Speaker 8: in the game is and he's a great captain. He's

2053
01:46:38,467 --> 01:46:40,547
Speaker 8: very smart with the game. He sees it and reads

2054
01:46:40,587 --> 01:46:43,267
Speaker 8: it really well, and he's a very calm influence on

2055
01:46:43,307 --> 01:46:46,067
Speaker 8: the group. He's sometimes he questioned if he does have

2056
01:46:46,107 --> 01:46:48,547
Speaker 8: a heartbeat, which is always nice to have when you

2057
01:46:48,587 --> 01:46:52,307
Speaker 8: have a captain in precious situations like that. Look he's yeah,

2058
01:46:52,347 --> 01:46:55,147
Speaker 8: he's shown both with batan ball the skills he's got,

2059
01:46:55,227 --> 01:46:56,387
Speaker 8: but also the leader as well.

2060
01:46:56,947 --> 01:46:59,027
Speaker 2: The next nice see event the T twenty World Cup

2061
01:46:59,027 --> 01:47:01,787
Speaker 2: early next year. Have you started thinking about that tournament?

2062
01:47:02,827 --> 01:47:03,027
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2063
01:47:03,067 --> 01:47:06,507
Speaker 8: Look, I guess you're always preparing for it and you're

2064
01:47:06,507 --> 01:47:08,867
Speaker 8: practicing things you know that will hopefully help us win

2065
01:47:08,907 --> 01:47:11,187
Speaker 8: a World Cup in a few months time. But it's

2066
01:47:11,267 --> 01:47:13,107
Speaker 8: the nature of the game is you know. We've obviously

2067
01:47:13,147 --> 01:47:15,667
Speaker 8: got Odi eyes today and then the Test match in

2068
01:47:15,747 --> 01:47:19,347
Speaker 8: a week's time, so you're constantly balancing I guess, yeah,

2069
01:47:19,387 --> 01:47:20,747
Speaker 8: the future as well as the present.

2070
01:47:20,947 --> 01:47:22,507
Speaker 2: And we saw you get a bowl and an odio

2071
01:47:22,547 --> 01:47:25,387
Speaker 2: against Pakistan bay Oval back in the last Summer four rovers.

2072
01:47:25,387 --> 01:47:27,627
Speaker 2: You even got a wicket, Barbara's I'm not a bad scalp.

2073
01:47:27,987 --> 01:47:29,587
Speaker 2: Do you still get your bowling loads in? Do you

2074
01:47:29,667 --> 01:47:32,507
Speaker 2: still want to bowl a little bit in fifty over cricket?

2075
01:47:33,107 --> 01:47:33,307
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2076
01:47:33,307 --> 01:47:35,347
Speaker 8: I definitely consider myself an all round us still, and

2077
01:47:35,827 --> 01:47:37,507
Speaker 8: I guess the nature of our bowling attack at the

2078
01:47:37,547 --> 01:47:39,147
Speaker 8: moment of the boys are doing a great job, so

2079
01:47:39,387 --> 01:47:42,707
Speaker 8: I haven't haven't needed to bowl any overs, but I'm

2080
01:47:42,707 --> 01:47:45,707
Speaker 8: always prepared, I'm always training it, and yeah, I guess

2081
01:47:45,787 --> 01:47:47,427
Speaker 8: when called upon, I'll be ready.

2082
01:47:47,227 --> 01:47:47,707
Speaker 3: To do a job.

2083
01:47:48,227 --> 01:47:51,027
Speaker 2: Catch any of the ashes. Yesterday, Yeah I did.

2084
01:47:51,067 --> 01:47:53,227
Speaker 8: I packed up and watched a little bit in the afternoon.

2085
01:47:53,707 --> 01:47:56,387
Speaker 8: It's a great watch and obviously with us going there

2086
01:47:56,467 --> 01:47:58,867
Speaker 8: next summer as well, it's it's good to see, I guess,

2087
01:47:59,027 --> 01:48:01,147
Speaker 8: especially how Optus is playing, because yeah, that looked like

2088
01:48:01,227 --> 01:48:01,667
Speaker 8: tough work.

2089
01:48:01,907 --> 01:48:04,747
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, well, good to hear that you're on track

2090
01:48:04,827 --> 01:48:07,027
Speaker 2: for the first Test match in ten days or so.

2091
01:48:07,147 --> 01:48:09,427
Speaker 2: Congrats on being number one of the ODIO rankings, Daryl,

2092
01:48:09,427 --> 01:48:10,507
Speaker 2: always procat catching up.

2093
01:48:10,547 --> 01:48:12,627
Speaker 8: Thanks for the time, No, no, where's good to catch up.

2094
01:48:12,627 --> 01:48:14,267
Speaker 2: No, good to catch up with you too, Daryl. Darrel

2095
01:48:14,307 --> 01:48:17,187
Speaker 2: Mitchell there are currently just at the back end of

2096
01:48:17,267 --> 01:48:19,427
Speaker 2: his rehab from that little groin strain he picked up

2097
01:48:20,187 --> 01:48:23,667
Speaker 2: last weekend. I guess with a couple of odiis. Yeah, probably,

2098
01:48:23,867 --> 01:48:25,347
Speaker 2: even though he is number one in the world, you

2099
01:48:25,467 --> 01:48:27,707
Speaker 2: probably say, okay, you know, rest from those. We've got

2100
01:48:27,747 --> 01:48:30,907
Speaker 2: test matches coming up and then the T twenty World Cup,

2101
01:48:31,027 --> 01:48:32,787
Speaker 2: so you don't want to aggravate it in any way.

2102
01:48:32,787 --> 01:48:34,507
Speaker 2: If it's just a little niggle and by the sounds

2103
01:48:34,547 --> 01:48:37,547
Speaker 2: of things, that's what it is. He'll be absolutely okay

2104
01:48:37,907 --> 01:48:41,587
Speaker 2: for the Test matches against the West Indies, the third

2105
01:48:41,627 --> 01:48:44,347
Speaker 2: and final ODII in Hamilton coming towards the end of

2106
01:48:44,347 --> 01:48:46,027
Speaker 2: the eight day over, the West Indies having won the

2107
01:48:46,067 --> 01:48:49,107
Speaker 2: toss and elected the bat forty three for two forty

2108
01:48:49,187 --> 01:48:52,707
Speaker 2: three for two coming towards the end of the eighth over.

2109
01:48:53,067 --> 01:48:56,267
Speaker 2: For those of you wondering about Liam Lawson, he has

2110
01:48:56,427 --> 01:49:00,467
Speaker 2: briefly topped the time sheets in third practice at the

2111
01:49:00,507 --> 01:49:04,627
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Grand Prix. He's finished seventh Mercedes George Russell

2112
01:49:04,707 --> 01:49:07,627
Speaker 2: clocking the fastest time. So that's third and final practice.

2113
01:49:08,227 --> 01:49:13,507
Speaker 2: Qualifying is at at five o'clock this afternoon. Got a

2114
01:49:13,547 --> 01:49:16,787
Speaker 2: great text actually in from Angus whereas a Piney mate

2115
01:49:16,907 --> 01:49:19,787
Speaker 2: watching free practice number three from the boat near way.

2116
01:49:19,867 --> 01:49:23,747
Speaker 2: Heiki absolute day for it. Qualifying will be interesting as

2117
01:49:23,787 --> 01:49:26,907
Speaker 2: it rained earlier in the day. Definitely worth watching. Go Liam,

2118
01:49:26,987 --> 01:49:29,787
Speaker 2: hope you will. I am well, Angus. I'm very well made,

2119
01:49:29,787 --> 01:49:32,547
Speaker 2: all the better from here for hearing from you. Thanks indeed,

2120
01:49:33,667 --> 01:49:37,187
Speaker 2: News Talk said, be okay, let's play a sporting chance.

2121
01:49:37,267 --> 01:49:41,867
Speaker 2: We do this every Saturday afternoon with the tab. I'm

2122
01:49:41,907 --> 01:49:44,587
Speaker 2: going to offer you the choice of three bets, short,

2123
01:49:44,667 --> 01:49:47,907
Speaker 2: evens or long. You decide which one you want, and

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Speaker 2: we'll place a one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bet

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Speaker 2: on your behalf that comes home. The winnings might it's

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01:49:54,067 --> 01:49:56,187
Speaker 2: the initial one fifty or yours. You've got to be

2127
01:49:56,227 --> 01:49:58,307
Speaker 2: over eighteen to play. If you are, and we'd like

2128
01:49:58,387 --> 01:50:01,667
Speaker 2: to call now oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: The tough Questions off the turf weekends for it with

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Speaker 1: Jason Kine, then GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

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Speaker 1: It's time for a sporting chance thanks to TB.

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Speaker 2: Here it is two forty time to play a sporting chants.

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Speaker 2: Michael's on the line. I'm going to offer Michael the

2134
01:50:23,907 --> 01:50:27,627
Speaker 2: choice of three bets, short, evens or long. Michael makes

2135
01:50:27,667 --> 01:50:30,107
Speaker 2: a decision on which one he likes. We place a

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bet on his behalf,

2137
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Speaker 2: and if in fact it comes home, the winnings minus

2138
01:50:36,667 --> 01:50:41,147
Speaker 2: the initial one fifty are all yours. Michael, you understand

2139
01:50:41,147 --> 01:50:42,507
Speaker 2: the rules, pretty simple concept.

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Speaker 8: It is so Jason, that would be good thinking.

2141
01:50:46,707 --> 01:50:50,867
Speaker 2: Sounds like you're over eighteen. You can confirm that, Michael, Yeah,

2142
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Speaker 2: I am here, I am okay. Good stuff. All right,

2143
01:50:54,227 --> 01:50:58,067
Speaker 2: here's your three options short. It's called the maybe bas

2144
01:50:58,267 --> 01:51:01,307
Speaker 2: Ball does work after all Special. It's on the ashes

2145
01:51:01,547 --> 01:51:05,947
Speaker 2: and it's for Australia's first innings to be under one

2146
01:51:06,067 --> 01:51:09,747
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty nine point five runs. They're currently won

2147
01:51:09,867 --> 01:51:12,587
Speaker 2: twenty three for nine, so you're basically betting on whether

2148
01:51:13,027 --> 01:51:16,587
Speaker 2: Australia can get to one hundred and thirty before they're out.

2149
01:51:17,147 --> 01:51:19,747
Speaker 2: It's paying a dollar eighty seven. You would win one

2150
01:51:19,867 --> 01:51:23,787
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty dollars and fifty cents. That is your

2151
01:51:23,947 --> 01:51:29,387
Speaker 2: short option for Evans. The I Love this Kid special

2152
01:51:30,107 --> 01:51:34,027
Speaker 2: Wales against the All Blacks Reuben Love to score two

2153
01:51:34,387 --> 01:51:38,627
Speaker 2: or more tries. It's paying four dollars twenty you would

2154
01:51:38,627 --> 01:51:42,787
Speaker 2: win four hundred and eighty that's your evens bet. And

2155
01:51:43,067 --> 01:51:48,587
Speaker 2: long the hook Line and Sinker Special Dan Hooker up

2156
01:51:48,627 --> 01:51:53,347
Speaker 2: against Arman Serukian in the octagon tomorrow morning and cutter.

2157
01:51:53,987 --> 01:51:56,707
Speaker 2: The bet is for Dan Hooker to achieve a knockout

2158
01:51:56,867 --> 01:52:01,387
Speaker 2: or technical knockout in the first round. It's paying thirty

2159
01:52:01,467 --> 01:52:04,707
Speaker 2: one dollars. You would win four and a half grand

2160
01:52:05,347 --> 01:52:08,707
Speaker 2: if that happens. So, Michael, which do you choose Australia

2161
01:52:09,467 --> 01:52:11,987
Speaker 2: to be bowled out before they score seven more runs

2162
01:52:12,427 --> 01:52:14,187
Speaker 2: in their first innings to one one hundred and thirty

2163
01:52:14,227 --> 01:52:17,267
Speaker 2: dollars fifty Ruben Love to score two or more tries

2164
01:52:17,267 --> 01:52:20,627
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning to win four hundred and eighty or Dan

2165
01:52:20,747 --> 01:52:24,187
Speaker 2: Hooker with a first round KO or TKO to win

2166
01:52:24,267 --> 01:52:26,147
Speaker 2: four and a half grand? Which one do you like?

2167
01:52:27,427 --> 01:52:29,507
Speaker 8: The Hooker? One's very tempting, hasn't it a bit far

2168
01:52:29,667 --> 01:52:33,467
Speaker 8: for me? And so live in Palmston North because Reuben

2169
01:52:33,507 --> 01:52:36,027
Speaker 8: Love went to Boys High Palms North, Boys highle go for.

2170
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Speaker 2: Evans good stuff. I said to Andy, actually just before

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01:52:39,627 --> 01:52:41,187
Speaker 2: we came back on there, I said, I really liked

2172
01:52:41,187 --> 01:52:44,067
Speaker 2: the Ruben Loved one two or more tries tomorrow morning.

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01:52:44,387 --> 01:52:45,907
Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to be an open game,

2174
01:52:46,387 --> 01:52:48,667
Speaker 2: a good Parmi North boy, as you say. And he's

2175
01:52:48,707 --> 01:52:51,667
Speaker 2: had few opportunities, so a chance to impress, all right.

2176
01:52:51,747 --> 01:52:55,067
Speaker 2: So if Ruben Love scores two or more tries tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: you win four hundred and eighty dollars. Michael, We're going

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01:52:57,627 --> 01:52:59,547
Speaker 2: to place the bit for you, mate. Hope it happens.

2179
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Speaker 2: We'll keep our fingers crossed. Just hold there for a

2180
01:53:01,347 --> 01:53:03,587
Speaker 2: second and you'll make sure that he's got all of

2181
01:53:03,627 --> 01:53:06,267
Speaker 2: your details. If you get a result, the winnings will

2182
01:53:06,267 --> 01:53:08,627
Speaker 2: be or yours and we'll do it again in a

2183
01:53:08,667 --> 01:53:11,907
Speaker 2: week's time. Thanks to our mates at the tab as always,

2184
01:53:11,987 --> 01:53:16,947
Speaker 2: please bet responsibly. Speaking of Dan Hooker, as mentioned, he'll

2185
01:53:16,987 --> 01:53:21,067
Speaker 2: meet Armenian Arman Serukian in the five round main event

2186
01:53:21,227 --> 01:53:24,627
Speaker 2: of the UFC's first card in Kuta tomorrow morning, New

2187
01:53:24,707 --> 01:53:27,667
Speaker 2: Zealand time. Dan Hooker goes into the bout ranked number

2188
01:53:27,747 --> 01:53:32,227
Speaker 2: six in the division, while Serukian is the number one contender.

2189
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Speaker 2: Host of UFC on sky Sport Ravenda Hernia is with us,

2190
01:53:37,267 --> 01:53:39,707
Speaker 2: Rev Thanks for taking the time. It feels like Dan

2191
01:53:39,787 --> 01:53:42,107
Speaker 2: hook is an underdog for this fight. How big an

2192
01:53:42,227 --> 01:53:43,387
Speaker 2: underdog is he?

2193
01:53:45,107 --> 01:53:48,347
Speaker 19: Oh, he's an absolute underdog, Jason, But nothing new though,

2194
01:53:49,347 --> 01:53:50,387
Speaker 19: we're howkill we boys?

2195
01:53:50,467 --> 01:53:50,667
Speaker 3: Really?

2196
01:53:50,707 --> 01:53:53,547
Speaker 19: In general, he's an underdog, you know, I think for

2197
01:53:54,027 --> 01:53:57,307
Speaker 19: good reasons, considering just as you said, Arman seruki and

2198
01:53:57,347 --> 01:54:01,227
Speaker 19: the number one contender, you get through Arman Serukian and

2199
01:54:01,267 --> 01:54:03,307
Speaker 19: you got a shot at the title. So very much so,

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01:54:03,907 --> 01:54:06,027
Speaker 19: Arman Serukian. I think he's on a seven fight win

2201
01:54:06,067 --> 01:54:11,667
Speaker 19: Stream three of them and grappling competitions, and yeah, he's

2202
01:54:11,707 --> 01:54:13,507
Speaker 19: been you know, running red hot for a little while.

2203
01:54:13,587 --> 01:54:16,867
Speaker 19: Dan Hooker though three fight win streak himself, and he's

2204
01:54:16,907 --> 01:54:19,827
Speaker 19: been you know, slowly working his way back up the division.

2205
01:54:19,907 --> 01:54:24,467
Speaker 19: So yeah, Arman Seruki Serukian the favored fighter here. But

2206
01:54:24,587 --> 01:54:26,747
Speaker 19: as we know, Dan loves to come in and disappoint

2207
01:54:26,787 --> 01:54:27,387
Speaker 19: these wrestlers.

2208
01:54:27,547 --> 01:54:31,947
Speaker 2: Absolutely he does. Now does he also typically raise his

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01:54:32,147 --> 01:54:35,267
Speaker 2: performance against higher ranked opponents.

2210
01:54:36,027 --> 01:54:38,667
Speaker 19: Yeah, he does. I mean that's just Dan as an athlete.

2211
01:54:38,787 --> 01:54:42,067
Speaker 19: I feel, you know, when we saw that fight against

2212
01:54:42,267 --> 01:54:45,227
Speaker 19: Matteus Gamrot in Perth and August last year, he definitely

2213
01:54:45,347 --> 01:54:47,107
Speaker 19: did that. He was a heavy underdog for that fight

2214
01:54:47,187 --> 01:54:50,227
Speaker 19: as well, especially considering Gamrock was a heavy wrestler. But

2215
01:54:50,307 --> 01:54:52,387
Speaker 19: he really does, you know, step it up. And I

2216
01:54:52,427 --> 01:54:55,987
Speaker 19: don't think it's just you know, the technical sense, you know,

2217
01:54:56,107 --> 01:55:00,947
Speaker 19: by what he brings in terms of his fighting ability, psychology, psychologically,

2218
01:55:01,707 --> 01:55:04,907
Speaker 19: Dan Hooker, I always say, how do I say this nicely?

2219
01:55:04,987 --> 01:55:07,307
Speaker 19: It's like kind of like that little of a psychofactor

2220
01:55:07,427 --> 01:55:10,947
Speaker 19: where he is his biggest fan, he is his biggest supporter,

2221
01:55:11,027 --> 01:55:14,227
Speaker 19: and he you know, truly believes in himself to be

2222
01:55:14,307 --> 01:55:16,467
Speaker 19: able to get the job done. So I've always admired

2223
01:55:16,867 --> 01:55:19,227
Speaker 19: his mental strength coming into fights, and I feel like,

2224
01:55:19,667 --> 01:55:23,027
Speaker 19: after eleven years in the UFC, that's really been built.

2225
01:55:23,107 --> 01:55:26,307
Speaker 19: He knows what he needs to do. He's one, you know,

2226
01:55:26,427 --> 01:55:28,667
Speaker 19: gifted athlete that can carry out a game plan no

2227
01:55:28,787 --> 01:55:32,547
Speaker 19: matter what style is coming at him. So I feel like,

2228
01:55:32,867 --> 01:55:35,067
Speaker 19: you know, that experience really is his strength and gives

2229
01:55:35,147 --> 01:55:36,347
Speaker 19: him that confidence in any fight.

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01:55:36,507 --> 01:55:36,627
Speaker 8: Now.

2231
01:55:36,747 --> 01:55:39,547
Speaker 2: So Dan Hooker hasn't fought for more than a year

2232
01:55:39,667 --> 01:55:42,387
Speaker 2: due to injury, Will that be in any way of

2233
01:55:42,507 --> 01:55:42,987
Speaker 2: factor here?

2234
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Speaker 6: You know what?

2235
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Speaker 19: Most probably you know, you have to be honest about that.

2236
01:55:48,707 --> 01:55:51,747
Speaker 19: But Dan just lives for competition. He's you know, kept

2237
01:55:51,827 --> 01:55:54,307
Speaker 19: himself busy over that year and a half. Him and

2238
01:55:54,387 --> 01:55:57,347
Speaker 19: his wife welcomed a new baby. He started his own

2239
01:55:57,787 --> 01:56:01,867
Speaker 19: promotion that a lot of people are talking about, you know,

2240
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Speaker 19: on the side as well, but as well, he has

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01:56:04,307 --> 01:56:06,947
Speaker 19: been working super super hard in the gym part. Has

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01:56:07,027 --> 01:56:10,307
Speaker 19: never stopped. Even with his arm and a cast, he

2243
01:56:10,507 --> 01:56:12,867
Speaker 19: was still training, you know, He's still throwing kicks, still

2244
01:56:12,907 --> 01:56:16,387
Speaker 19: working on his conditioning, knowing that a big fight was

2245
01:56:16,427 --> 01:56:19,587
Speaker 19: imminent for him after that win against Gamrock. So he's

2246
01:56:19,667 --> 01:56:22,747
Speaker 19: never stopped the only thing that did stop was you know,

2247
01:56:22,867 --> 01:56:25,947
Speaker 19: competing in the octagon. Of course, earlier this year he

2248
01:56:26,067 --> 01:56:28,707
Speaker 19: was supposed to fight justin gait Chee. That wasn't to

2249
01:56:28,827 --> 01:56:31,747
Speaker 19: be because he reinjured himself. So he has always been

2250
01:56:31,907 --> 01:56:34,707
Speaker 19: around in the gym working, and you know, he's not

2251
01:56:34,867 --> 01:56:38,987
Speaker 19: just in the gym, you know, you know, just casually

2252
01:56:39,227 --> 01:56:41,987
Speaker 19: he's he's training and fighting as a UFC fighter. So

2253
01:56:42,347 --> 01:56:44,387
Speaker 19: he has been active. But yeah, that might that might

2254
01:56:44,467 --> 01:56:46,267
Speaker 19: play a part because he's been out for a little while.

2255
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Speaker 19: But so too has Arman Serukian. He's been out for

2256
01:56:49,267 --> 01:56:50,947
Speaker 19: a little while as well, hasn't been in the UFC

2257
01:56:51,067 --> 01:56:53,027
Speaker 19: octagon for a while as well, So it'll be interesting

2258
01:56:53,067 --> 01:56:55,307
Speaker 19: to see what these two bring with a long time off.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about On Serukian, the type of fighter he is,

2260
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Speaker 2: and what he brings to the octagon in terms of

2261
01:57:01,467 --> 01:57:02,587
Speaker 2: his specific strengths.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, arm On Serukian is just that well fighter. I

2263
01:57:07,227 --> 01:57:10,547
Speaker 19: don't feel like he's you know, a master of anything,

2264
01:57:10,667 --> 01:57:12,787
Speaker 19: because he's you know, pretty good at you know, being

2265
01:57:12,827 --> 01:57:16,547
Speaker 19: a complete MMO fighter. He started his career twenty eighteen

2266
01:57:16,987 --> 01:57:20,427
Speaker 19: and on debut faced Isla Makachev, losing that fight. Ya

2267
01:57:20,587 --> 01:57:24,067
Speaker 19: unanimous decision, So he came into the lightweight division making

2268
01:57:24,107 --> 01:57:27,787
Speaker 19: an absolute splash despite not getting that decision, but taking

2269
01:57:27,947 --> 01:57:30,027
Speaker 19: Islam all the way to the end of those rounds.

2270
01:57:30,067 --> 01:57:33,227
Speaker 19: But yeah, very well rounded fighter. He's quite elusive as well.

2271
01:57:33,307 --> 01:57:35,147
Speaker 19: He's you know, dangerous on the ground. He knows what

2272
01:57:35,227 --> 01:57:38,547
Speaker 19: he's doing with the wrestling. We see over and Katar

2273
01:57:38,627 --> 01:57:41,347
Speaker 19: at the moment, he's walking around with Hamza Chamaye, who's

2274
01:57:41,387 --> 01:57:44,347
Speaker 19: the current middleweight champion. We see Ilia Supiria walking around

2275
01:57:44,387 --> 01:57:48,187
Speaker 19: as well, so he's surrounded by really great, technical, strong,

2276
01:57:48,587 --> 01:57:51,507
Speaker 19: you know, fighting champions at the moment. So he'll be

2277
01:57:51,587 --> 01:57:55,907
Speaker 19: coming in knowing that this is his big opportunity after

2278
01:57:55,947 --> 01:57:58,427
Speaker 19: missing out on a title shot earlier this year, so

2279
01:57:58,627 --> 01:58:01,227
Speaker 19: his you know, mental fortitude will be up there as well.

2280
01:58:01,867 --> 01:58:04,547
Speaker 19: But yeah, very well rounded fighter. And I'm just interested

2281
01:58:04,627 --> 01:58:07,227
Speaker 19: to see how City Kickboxing as a team look to

2282
01:58:07,307 --> 01:58:07,707
Speaker 19: combat that.

2283
01:58:07,987 --> 01:58:10,307
Speaker 2: How do you think they will because excuse me as

2284
01:58:10,347 --> 01:58:13,307
Speaker 2: you say, Serukian very good wrestler, good grappler. I think

2285
01:58:13,387 --> 01:58:17,147
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker's strength is probably his striking. So what normally

2286
01:58:17,227 --> 01:58:19,707
Speaker 2: happens when two fighters like that collide.

2287
01:58:20,267 --> 01:58:23,787
Speaker 19: Well, Dan Hooker, you know, he has his strength as well.

2288
01:58:23,827 --> 01:58:25,467
Speaker 19: And he made mention of that when I spoke to

2289
01:58:25,547 --> 01:58:27,947
Speaker 19: him this week talking about how he was really surprised

2290
01:58:27,987 --> 01:58:31,387
Speaker 19: at how short Armand's arms were, which is, you know,

2291
01:58:31,547 --> 01:58:35,507
Speaker 19: every fight starts on the feet in that striking position,

2292
01:58:35,707 --> 01:58:37,827
Speaker 19: so Dan knows that he well and truly has that

2293
01:58:38,027 --> 01:58:42,507
Speaker 19: reach advantage. Dan Hooker doesn't really keep to that range

2294
01:58:42,867 --> 01:58:45,667
Speaker 19: typically during a fight, though traditionally he does like to

2295
01:58:45,747 --> 01:58:47,947
Speaker 19: fight in the pocket. He does like to fight throw

2296
01:58:48,347 --> 01:58:52,107
Speaker 19: uppercuts and hooks to really damage those fighters.

2297
01:58:52,187 --> 01:58:53,307
Speaker 17: But I think he knows.

2298
01:58:53,667 --> 01:58:56,347
Speaker 19: He knows that up against the cage and Serukian is

2299
01:58:56,347 --> 01:58:59,147
Speaker 19: going to be dangerous. He knows, you know, defensively, what

2300
01:58:59,267 --> 01:59:01,507
Speaker 19: he will need to do if Arman is successful in

2301
01:59:01,547 --> 01:59:04,667
Speaker 19: getting him to the ground, as he showed against Gamrock.

2302
01:59:04,747 --> 01:59:07,507
Speaker 19: But Dan Hooker is very very elusive on the ground

2303
01:59:07,587 --> 01:59:10,947
Speaker 19: as well. We saw those scrambles against Gamrot. But I

2304
01:59:11,027 --> 01:59:12,747
Speaker 19: think that if he does keep it at that range

2305
01:59:12,747 --> 01:59:16,787
Speaker 19: and keeps Arman on the outside, considering that strength, that

2306
01:59:16,987 --> 01:59:20,627
Speaker 19: he will have success there. And Dan has like a

2307
01:59:20,747 --> 01:59:23,747
Speaker 19: strength that you know, no one really realizes until you're

2308
01:59:23,747 --> 01:59:25,547
Speaker 19: there standing in front of him and copying that. We

2309
01:59:25,627 --> 01:59:28,707
Speaker 19: saw that with Jaylen Turner in the in the successful

2310
01:59:28,987 --> 01:59:32,267
Speaker 19: fight there, so it'd be interesting. And we're also mentioned

2311
01:59:32,307 --> 01:59:34,187
Speaker 19: on the show this week that Dan Hooker was awarded

2312
01:59:34,227 --> 01:59:36,627
Speaker 19: a black belt and Brazilian jiu jitsu, so he's been working.

2313
01:59:36,707 --> 01:59:41,027
Speaker 19: You know, he has his wrestling grappling pedigree as well.

2314
01:59:42,067 --> 01:59:44,707
Speaker 19: So yeah, I feel that Dan honing in on his

2315
01:59:44,827 --> 01:59:47,387
Speaker 19: own strength, which he is really good at, could make

2316
01:59:47,467 --> 01:59:48,227
Speaker 19: for a great upset.

2317
01:59:48,387 --> 01:59:51,747
Speaker 2: All right, And whoever wins, what's the reward? Rev Who

2318
01:59:51,867 --> 01:59:54,227
Speaker 2: does the winner get to fight next? Is it a

2319
01:59:54,307 --> 01:59:54,907
Speaker 2: title shot?

2320
01:59:55,787 --> 01:59:56,667
Speaker 7: It's a title shot.

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01:59:57,787 --> 01:59:59,867
Speaker 19: Dana White has said that the winner of this fight

2322
01:59:59,947 --> 02:00:02,307
Speaker 19: will go for the title shot because obviously Arman Serukian,

2323
02:00:02,347 --> 02:00:04,107
Speaker 19: he is at number one. You beat number one, you

2324
02:00:04,147 --> 02:00:05,867
Speaker 19: get a title shot. Or if you are number one

2325
02:00:06,347 --> 02:00:07,587
Speaker 19: and you've been told that the next fight is the

2326
02:00:07,627 --> 02:00:09,787
Speaker 19: top shot, you get that title shot. The current champion

2327
02:00:10,467 --> 02:00:14,427
Speaker 19: is Ilia Tapuria. He is also running red hot right now.

2328
02:00:14,547 --> 02:00:17,707
Speaker 19: But Dan Hooker, through his you know, eleven years of

2329
02:00:17,787 --> 02:00:20,787
Speaker 19: fighting in the US, has always spoken about fighting for

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Speaker 19: about He's never spoken about holding the title. He just

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Speaker 19: wants to fight the best. So after beating Armann this weekend,

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Speaker 19: who is the best at the moment by way of

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Speaker 19: the rankings, he gets to fight for that title shot.

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Speaker 19: So hopefully a golden year for New Zealand and the

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Speaker 19: lightweight division in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely the stake so high. Thanks so much for providing

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Speaker 2: such great insight, Revender, always great to catch up.

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Speaker 19: You're very welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, no, thank you. That is our host of

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Speaker 2: UFC on Sky Sport, Ravinda Hernie sa UFC Fight Night

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Speaker 2: main card Dan Hooker against the Armenian Arman Serukian seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow morning. You can catch it on ESPN and

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Speaker 2: also on Sky Sport. Now nine to three, the West

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Speaker 2: Indies are sixty four for three in the eleventh over,

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Speaker 2: having won the toss and elected the bat first and

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Speaker 2: the third and final ODI at Sedon Park in Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Back in a second.

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Speaker 1: The scoons from the track field and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sort Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News

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Speaker 1: Talks b.

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Speaker 2: Stix away from three just to quick look at to

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's show will unpack in quite some detail the final

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Speaker 2: All Blacks Test of the year and look at rating

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Speaker 2: the year as well with you after the final Test

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five against Wales in Cardiff. Other matters

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Speaker 2: around tomorrow. I want to sort of draw down into

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Speaker 2: this Ali Cartor thing. What a terrible, terrible set of

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Speaker 2: circumstances which has seen him now have to miss the

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Speaker 2: entire NRL season because of the head knocks he took

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Speaker 2: during the Pacific Championship Test against the Kiwis. And we'll

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Speaker 2: also track Liam Lawson at the Las Vegas Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening in today. Huge thanks to

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Speaker 2: Andy McDonald for producing, as per usual, exit song today. Mate.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well piney this week, I like most of it.

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Speaker 20: Feels like New Zealand went to the Metallica concert, which

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Speaker 20: is which is very, very fun. A lot of people

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Speaker 20: are said to me afterwards they didn't realize I was

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Speaker 20: I was a bogan, but I've got a little bit

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Speaker 20: of that in me, so anyway, I've gone with Metallica

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Speaker 20: Master of.

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Speaker 2: Puppets to finish the show today. Excellent choice. I'm a

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Speaker 2: young bogan like yourself. Yes, well done. I certainly don't

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Speaker 2: look at but I connect it sometimes. Good, well you

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Speaker 2: do that for the rest of the song.

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Speaker 9: We'll see Tom Fish.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

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