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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: Ory.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper c Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: I'd be good afternoon seven after four, great to have

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Speaker 3: your company. Is it morally bankrupt for taxpayers to pull

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Speaker 3: out of covering storm damaged homes? We look at that

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Speaker 3: as our lead interview. After five this evening co management

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Speaker 3: or co governance over water? And that's after five to two.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's most expensive ball razor joins me ahead of

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Speaker 3: battle in Wellington. And what's happening with Women's Weekly and

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Speaker 3: the Listener and a bunch of other magazines that you

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Speaker 3: might enjoy reading in the doctor's office while you wait

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Speaker 3: to see the GP. I'll tell you throughout the program.

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Speaker 3: Just gone seven after four, Bryan Bridge. Well, Winston's done

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Speaker 3: it again, hasn't he? The old political workhorse of the

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Speaker 3: Pacific just keeps on getting more popular. New Zealand first

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Speaker 3: has overtaken Act in the latest taxpayers union curier part.

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Speaker 3: It's now the third most popular party in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Well done, Winston Peters. I'll give you a breakdown of

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Speaker 3: the numbers shortly but this has got to.

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Speaker 4: Be a little bit ego bruising for David seamwol, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: You know, just got his feet under the deputy's desk

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Speaker 4: and he's been overtaken in the polls by the bloke

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Speaker 4: that he's just replaced.

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Speaker 3: Not that simply being Deputy Prime Minister gets you votes.

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Speaker 3: But he's trying to make a good fist of it

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Speaker 3: as old Seymour, you know, holding press conferences left right

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Speaker 3: the OCR, no change to the OCR. But David Siemil's

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Speaker 3: out there for a stand up anyway. Today is stand

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Speaker 3: up on stats n's ed numbers. He's doing the business.

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Speaker 3: Luxon's overseas on holiday of course, Winston, where is Winston

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Speaker 3: while everybody else is on holiday or doing stand ups

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Speaker 3: about no movement in the OCR. Winston's at the East

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Speaker 3: Asia Summit Foreign Ministers meeting in Kuala Lumpur. He's negotiating

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Speaker 3: a classified information share agreement with Japan. Seymour's been bogged down,

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Speaker 3: of course with the regulatory standards built, which I know

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Speaker 3: is popular with some people. But the headline I'm just

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Speaker 3: talking in terms of media coverage. He's been bogged down

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Speaker 3: around the world keeping us in line with China, staving

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Speaker 3: off Trump's tariffs, all while celebrating his eightieth birthday. And

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Speaker 3: you know, he puts out the odd blip here and

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Speaker 3: there in terms of his media engagements. He's put out

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Speaker 3: But Winston is popular because he speaks his mind and

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Speaker 3: he knows what he's talking about. He commands respect when

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Speaker 3: he speaks, people listen. He's a good example of a

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Speaker 3: man who keeps it simple. Do your job and do

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Speaker 3: it well, work hard, and stay focused. It's a pretty

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Speaker 3: simple formula that's seen him through the last forty plus

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Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge just.

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Speaker 3: Gone ten after four News Talk VB nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: your feedback on this this afternoon, now, Doc, they might

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Speaker 3: be doing a bit of a U turn. This is

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Speaker 3: the case of the lizards and the mine in Otago.

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Speaker 3: So initially they denied the mining company Oceania Gold, permission

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Speaker 3: to clear grass and vegetation. Off their mind. This was

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Speaker 3: over the concern about the lizard relocation plan. But Ruth

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Speaker 3: Isaac from DOC has gotten in touch with us says

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Speaker 3: there was a miscommunication and the Department will now work

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Speaker 3: closely with Oceania Gold to quote swiftly progress their application.

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Speaker 3: Resources Minister and Martyr of Mining Shane Jones said this

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Speaker 3: morning that he felt concerns were a bit overblown about

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Speaker 3: these ten thousand lizards.

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Speaker 5: These lizards are as common as acne on a teenager.

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Speaker 5: That's first. Then secondly they are scattered throughout the entirety.

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Speaker 5: Although tiger every time a farmer does something on his

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Speaker 3: So Nikola Tokey is Forest and Bird Chief Executive with me. Now,

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Speaker 3: Hi nikolayday, Ryan, how are you good? Thank you? It

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Speaker 3: sounds like DOC might be changing their minds a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Here A hard to.

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Speaker 6: Say at this way. What they're saying from what I

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Speaker 6: get is that they're looking for further information. But I

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Speaker 7: And I worry.

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Speaker 6: I guess I'm a little bit worried about Shane Jones.

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Speaker 6: He seems rather fixcated on small reptiles at the moment

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Speaker 6: needing to follow due process in order to carry out

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Speaker 6: didn't have the right information to the table, and as

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Speaker 3: What is it about so clearing some vegetation? Could it

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Speaker 3: really kill ten thousand lizards? Or is that overblown?

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Speaker 6: So the issue here is in New Zealand. And you know,

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Speaker 6: we often talk about New Zealand being called, you know,

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Speaker 6: being the Land of birds. Probably more accurately we could

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Speaker 6: be and should be known as the land of lizards.

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Speaker 6: So we have well over one hundred species of lizard,

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Speaker 6: either geckos or skinks found here in New Zealand, found

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Speaker 6: nowhere else in the world. Right, So once you destroy

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Speaker 6: a habitat that these things live in, there's nowhere else

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Speaker 6: you can replace them from. And I wonder Ryan whether

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Speaker 6: if they were in fact cuckapool or somehow heicct of

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Speaker 6: dolphins ministry evolved to live in a tussock landscape, we'd

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Speaker 6: even be having this conversation. And what we see repeatedly

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Speaker 6: from Shane Jones, for example, is this kind of constantling.

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Speaker 6: And he loves it, right, he loves all that shtick.

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Speaker 6: And I think New Zealanders are getting bad over it

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Speaker 6: because most New Zealanders care very much about threatened species

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Speaker 3: Are the lizards we're talking about endangered?

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Speaker 6: So all of New Zealand lizard species are threatened in

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Speaker 6: they have. Right, So, if they're not getting eaten by

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Speaker 3: So what's the difference between threatened and endangered? Because I

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Speaker 3: asked are they endangered? And you said they're threatened?

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Speaker 6: Well, so in New Zealand we have a threat classification list,

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Speaker 6: What politicians and decision make is sometimes.

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Speaker 3: To realize, so threatened not as bad as endangered. So

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Speaker 3: there's threason, but not endangered.

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Speaker 6: I've discussed no, no, no, no, it's not quite right,

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Speaker 6: and it sounds complex, but it's not.

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Speaker 6: New Zealand has the highest proportion of threatened species on

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Speaker 6: kind of a dubius honor. And it costs more to

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Speaker 6: protect species that are more threatened or more endangered, because

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Speaker 9: If you like.

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Speaker 3: And what happens if they do fall off the cliff?

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Speaker 3: Does the world end?

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Speaker 6: I think part of our identity and how we describe

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Speaker 6: ourselves to the world ends. We also have international and

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Speaker 6: national legislative requirements that you know New Zealanders very much

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but does the ecosystem fall apart?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So every time you pull a species or remove

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Speaker 6: it's really important we have reconsibility.

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Speaker 3: Just clearing the vegetation, won't the lizards just move to

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's very much sounds like Luke Clark and

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Speaker 6: Door's sketch about the the boat with the with the

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Speaker 6: of the environment. These these these things they can move

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Speaker 6: millions of years to exist in the various habitats and

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Speaker 6: niches that they've found. But look, I do want to

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Speaker 3: And Nick I'm just I'm just wanting to I'm genuinely

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Speaker 6: It's not that simple, Ryan, because these things have to

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Speaker 3: There are no cats and hedgehogs in this in this

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Speaker 6: It's not serving your listener as well to simplify an

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Speaker 6: But why I do want to combat business.

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Speaker 3: I'm a simple persons. I'm just trying to get a

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, simply put the the using their lizards in

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Speaker 6: think miniter Jones was blaming eye consultation as a distraction

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Speaker 6: a business, right. This is a company that has had

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Speaker 6: their their application recommended for decline by the Attager Regional Council,

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Speaker 6: initially declined by dog. It's had two separate audits to

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Speaker 6: look into the fact that they repeatedly breach their resource

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Speaker 6: putting this kind of business at risk is not the

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Speaker 6: lizards skittering around the landscape. It's a bad business with

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Speaker 3: Nichola, we have to deliver it. They appreciate you coming

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Speaker 3: on the show. Toky Forest and Bird Chief Executive, nineteen

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Speaker 3: great because it's good to hear from you. Steve says,

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Speaker 3: Has this lady spoken to New Zealander is about what

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Speaker 3: their true feelings are. New Zealanders want jobs and they

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Speaker 3: that you might get the warm fuzzies from knowing there's

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Speaker 3: a lizard out there in the field that you've never met.

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Speaker 1: Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Most New Zealander is a sick and tired of greenies

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Speaker 3: and forested bird people stopping any sort of progress and

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Speaker 3: costing us a fortune, says Lance, nineteen ninety two. The

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Speaker 3: for sports talk. Hey Elliott, Hey, Ron All Blacks team.

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Speaker 3: Elliot appreciate your time. Elliott's Smith, a sports talk host

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Speaker 3: minutes after four Ryan, is everything in New Zealand threatened

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Speaker 3: That'd be over in Australia. Albanese he just gone. Twenty

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Speaker 1: Excuse for pudding the challenging questions to the people at

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Speaker 3: Twenty five away from five News Talks. They'd be coming

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Speaker 3: this weekend. Lots to come on the program. Lots of

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So Trump is threatening Brazil with a fifty percent tariff

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Speaker 11: I will say for Brazil, they're in our top twenty

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Speaker 6: They're about eighteenth or sebast on the Leaders data.

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Speaker 12: About one point three percent of all US imports come

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Speaker 3: More attacks from the hooties, no stopping these guys. They've

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Speaker 8: Yes, who's clearly back as a maritime straight actor. Right

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Speaker 8: then they never stopped attacking Israel. So despite all this

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Speaker 3: And finally a Frenchman has taken the world record for

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Speaker 3: farther's distance driven on a motorcycle while on fire. Jason

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Speaker 3: Vera aka Joe Ignition took a bike, sorry, took his

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Australia correspondents Jake Patrick six PR PERS Live News Director.

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Speaker 3: Hey Jake, good afternoon, Ryan. How are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you now? ORCUS subs more expensive thanks to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So this orcust packed which involves Australia, the US

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Speaker 13: time to cut our losses. Well, defense experts believe Australia

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Telstra is going to be cutting some jobs there, Jake.

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Speaker 3: Ban for a state of Origin can thrower. What's this about, yees?

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Speaker 3: Are they allowed cans full cans there?

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Speaker 3: Just because your corporate doesn't mean you're classy. Thanks exactly.

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Speaker 3: Jake Betric six pr Perth news director with US just

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Speaker 3: gone twenty away from Bridge now Albaniz. He was asked

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Speaker 3: He didn't stop there, he went.

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Speaker 15: On the idea that somehow the cause of justice four

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Speaker 15: it is destructive and it is not consistent with how

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Speaker 3: And it's so very fired up. Anthony Alberizi across the Testament.

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Speaker 3: Just gone nineteen away from five year on News Talk

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Speaker 3: ZIB and we'll get to Jason Walls out of Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, sixteen away from five News Talks. There b

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Rayan, Hey, great news for Winston in this poll.

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Speaker 16: Let's start with the ugly.

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Speaker 3: Labor.

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Speaker 16: We're down three point two percentage points to thirty one

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Speaker 16: point six percent. It's quite a hit, although not altogether

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Speaker 16: that surprising. As apart from maybe having a crack at

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Speaker 16: endz Ata me and its owners Labor and Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 16: have not really featured in the news a whole lot

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Speaker 16: since this poll was conducted. In terms of the other

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Speaker 16: left leaning parties, the Greens are up one point two

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Speaker 16: points to nine point four. TI Party Marti pretty steady

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Speaker 16: on three point five, so not enough seats to form

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Speaker 16: a government, not by a long way at this stage.

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Speaker 16: Now moving to the bad despite Labour's vote taking quite

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Speaker 16: a hit, Chris Luxen's only zero point one percentage points

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Speaker 16: higher than Chris Luxen. When it comes to the preferred

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Speaker 16: prime minister rankings, Luckson is now on nineteen point seven,

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Speaker 16: which is continuing quite a major downhill trend. When it

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Speaker 16: comes to this preferred prime minister polling numbers, he was

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Speaker 16: on thirty five percent on that same on that same

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Speaker 16: figure this time last year on preferred prime minister. He

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Speaker 16: will tell you, and I guess it's true that it's

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Speaker 16: not about the personal popularity of a prime minister. It's

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Speaker 16: about the party self and where it's polling. But those

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Speaker 16: numbers do probably have to hurt when you're looking at them.

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Speaker 16: I can't imagine if I was the prime minister looking

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Speaker 16: at my number tanking that much, I would be very

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Speaker 16: happy or complacent. Then we come to the good or

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Speaker 16: as I would argue, the great even fantastic. As you

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Speaker 16: pointed out, New Zealand First Winston and his troops are

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Speaker 16: up to nine point eight. That's a massive three point

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Speaker 16: seven percentage point gain according to the last poll. It's huge,

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Speaker 16: huge moves for such a minor party. And get this,

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Speaker 16: it's actually the first time in the polls almost half

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Speaker 16: a decade history, that New Zealand First has been polling

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Speaker 16: higher than the act Party. Now, we did talk to

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Speaker 16: David Seymour, acting Prime Minister earlier today and he was

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Speaker 16: I'm not going to say, feeling a little bit bitter

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Speaker 16: about it.

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Speaker 17: Well, we're always happy for our friends around the world

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Speaker 17: and are up and down the country to succeed. I

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Speaker 17: note that I haven't been asked that question for the

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Speaker 17: last thirty or forty poles, but you know, we'll see

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Speaker 17: where the.

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Speaker 16: Next thirty or forty poles. Not that anyone's counting David.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I think he comes across a little tooth thin skinned. Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know the major voting issues. This was interesting from

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Speaker 3: this pul So. Of the top five voting issues for people,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you take health out, they are the four

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Speaker 3: are all economy related poverty, employment, economy, and cost of living.

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Speaker 3: That's what's hurting well any incumbent. Really those issues are

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Speaker 3: crucial for people right now, aren't they. Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I mean, you'll just have to look at cost of

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Speaker 16: living up there as twenty one point six percent in

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Speaker 16: terms of the major issues that people say are the

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Speaker 16: major issues in the economy. So that's why you've got

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Speaker 16: people like Nikola Willis saying that she's gonna sit down

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Speaker 16: with Fonterra and talk about the price of butter and

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Speaker 16: milk and things like that. They need to be seen

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Speaker 16: to be doing something even though people are still hurting.

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Speaker 3: Because otherwise they're leaving. Yeah, they're leaving.

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Speaker 16: We had the migration statistics out today showing that netmull

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Speaker 16: migration has moved quite a lot in the past twelve months.

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Speaker 16: In the twelve months to May this year, there were

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Speaker 16: one hundred and thirty nine thousand migrants who arrived, that

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Speaker 16: is from one hundred ninety one hundred and eighty nine

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Speaker 16: thousand in the previous twelve months. Meanwhile, the people departing

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Speaker 16: was one hundred and twenty four thousand, which was down

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Speaker 16: from one hundred and nine thousand a year prior, so

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Speaker 16: diving deeper into those numbers. We always want to compare

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Speaker 16: ourselves to the Aussies.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 16: The next migration loss consisted of forty seven thousand migrant

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Speaker 16: departures to Australia and seventeen thousand, three hundred migrant arrivals

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Speaker 16: from Australia, a net loss of about thirty thousand people

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Speaker 16: over to Australia. It's the biggest net net loss we've

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Speaker 16: seen since twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: Labour's Meghan Woods says that.

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Speaker 16: New Zealanders were leaving because of the cost of living

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Speaker 16: has gotten worse and they couldn't trust the government. But

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Speaker 16: David Seymour, as expected, disagrees with Meghan Woods's assessment.

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Speaker 17: Here, there's no question that we are undertaking a tough

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Speaker 17: recovery from a very disruptive event, which was COVID inflation,

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Speaker 17: COVID interest rates and a recession that came from those

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Speaker 17: high interest rates. However, I'm not surprised that in the

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Speaker 17: year after the government changed, we still faced very tough conditions.

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Speaker 16: So he goes on to make the point that the

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Speaker 16: data girls from January twenty twenty four to January this year,

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Speaker 16: so there is a fairly long lag period there, and

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Speaker 16: he blamed the last government for some of it, but

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Speaker 16: was actually putting a positive spin on Looking forward.

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Speaker 17: I expect that as time goes on, as we maintain

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Speaker 17: really careful spending as a government, as interest rates come down,

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Speaker 17: rents get lower, mortgage rates are coming down, there's a

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Speaker 17: lot more reasons for people to stay in New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: So he says things are coming back round.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's I think that's right and always

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Speaker 3: sort of has been. But it needs to happen by

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Speaker 3: the end of this year so that people feel it

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Speaker 3: by the start of next year so that they can

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Speaker 3: get themselves re elected. Thanks. Thanks Jason, good to have

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Speaker 3: you on Jason Wall's news talks. Heb political editor. Also

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Speaker 3: with those migration numbers, it could be a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Could be a good thing because you know, economy, it

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Speaker 3: means the economy is weak when people are leaving New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: especially when they're going to Australia, and when migrants don't

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Speaker 3: want to come and move here. This will help push

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Speaker 3: the ocr down. Fewer migrants, less pressure on inflation, so

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Speaker 3: we should get interest rates falling at the next August,

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Speaker 3: will have a movement. They reckon just gone eleven away

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Speaker 3: from five. You're on News Talk ZEBB seventeen. Remember that

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Speaker 3: went down over Europe. Moscow shot it down. That's what

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Speaker 3: we suspected. A court has made a ruling that next

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Speaker 3: putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Now, there's been another setback for the largest gold mine

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Speaker 18: in the country. After battling authorities over a native moth,

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Speaker 18: it's now been told no on expansion plans because of

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Speaker 18: the lizard. Chane Jones is the Minister for Resources and

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Speaker 18: with us. What's the deal with the lizards. Let's say

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Speaker 18: that they are right and we lose ten thousand lizards.

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Speaker 1: Are the lizards extinct?

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Speaker 5: These lizards are as common as acne on a teenager.

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Speaker 5: They are scattered throughout the entirety of the targo. The

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Speaker 5: most important thing is does the public want Dobbs in otago?

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Speaker 5: I do the decision makers in this case? They have

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Speaker 5: just taken the public for a.

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Speaker 1: Rye duplus Yellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with the Landrover Discovery on News Talks MB.

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Speaker 3: You're on News Talks IRB. It's seven minutes away from

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Speaker 3: five o'clock, we'll get to Razor Scott robertson All Blacks

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Speaker 3: coach just after five thirty this evening because they're obviously

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Speaker 3: going up against France again. Wellington have to win this one,

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Speaker 3: don't they. They nearly well, I mean they should have

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Speaker 3: been more dominant, you could say in the first test.

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Speaker 3: They weren't. So they really need to show them what's

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Speaker 3: what in Wellington. So he's on the program after five

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Speaker 3: thirty this evening. In Europe, now you remember MH seventeen.

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Speaker 3: This was before MH three sixty. Well, Europe's top human

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Speaker 3: rights court has in Strasbourg. This is the European Court

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Speaker 3: of Human Rights has found against Russia against Moscow, saying

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Speaker 3: that Moscow shot down flight MH seventeen, killing all passengers

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Speaker 3: that includes thirty eight Australians who were on board at

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Speaker 3: the time. It doesn't actually mean anything, it doesn't actually

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Speaker 3: change anything, but the court agreed with the evidence that

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Speaker 3: suggested that the missile had been in tensionally fired at

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Speaker 3: flight MH seventeen, most likely mistaken belief that it had

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Speaker 3: been a military aircraft. Basically, the Russians thought it was

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Speaker 3: someone else's military craft shot it down. It was a

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Speaker 3: passenger plane. It was not necessary for the court to

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Speaker 3: decide exactly who fired the missile since Russia was responsible

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Speaker 3: for the acts of the Russian armed forces and of

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Speaker 3: the armed separatists, so they didn't have to prove who

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Speaker 3: pulled the trigger, exactly, who did it, exactly what weapon,

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Speaker 3: just that it was the Russians there and they made

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Speaker 3: a mistake, so the fault was on them. Kremlin is

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Speaker 3: just ignoring this decision, and as I say, it's largely symbolic. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is a story we're talking about yesterday which I

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Speaker 3: just am endlessly fascinated by. I'm assuming people know who

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Speaker 3: Greg Wallace is. This is the Master Chef host on

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Speaker 3: the BBC. They play it on TV one here in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. He's the bald guy with glasses from Master Chef.

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Speaker 3: UK had lots of complaints about his behavior, behaving in appropriately,

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Speaker 3: making crewe jokes, getting his genitals out in the wardrobe

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Speaker 3: in the makeup room so when people would come in

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Speaker 3: he would Anyway, he has come out with a new

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Speaker 3: excuse because there's an investigation and the results are coming

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Speaker 3: out this week. So brand new line of defense from

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Speaker 3: Greg Wallace friends have come out and said Greg Wallace

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Speaker 3: has autism and his autism is partly responsible for his

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Speaker 3: inappropriate behavior. The sixty year old's condition has allegedly caused

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Speaker 3: an inability to wear underwear because of his autistic hypersensitivity

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Speaker 3: to labels and tight clothing. They are literally arguing that

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Speaker 3: because he's autistic, he doesn't wear undies and when people

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Speaker 3: went into his makeup wardrobe, that's not his fault. But

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Speaker 3: at the same time, why are you not wearing pants?

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Speaker 3: You know, that doesn't explain the pants thing. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: he denies any wrongdoing in all of this. Still don't

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Speaker 3: understand the pants situation, but there will be a result

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Speaker 3: this week from the BBC's investigation into exactly what went

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Speaker 3: wrong there. The White Potata Trust. Everyone loves the White

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Speaker 3: Potata Trust updates, so they're going to the High Court.

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Speaker 3: Is you'll remember, the tax status was the big one

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Speaker 3: for White Patata and for John Tumaheady, because your tax

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Speaker 3: free status is gone if you lose your registration as

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Speaker 3: a charity. That's exactly what happened after The Herald found

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Speaker 3: that they'd advanced three hundred and eighty five thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: in donations to Tamahadi's Meryal campaign and remember that and

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Speaker 3: to Party Maldi's campaign in twenty twenty as well. So

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Speaker 3: that all goes down, then the Charities Registration board goes

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Speaker 3: we're going to cancel will deregister you as a charity.

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Speaker 3: That would hurt your charity status. So Tamahead is not

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Speaker 3: having that. He's taking this to the High Court and

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Speaker 3: is fighting that dear registration as we speak. So there

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Speaker 3: you go. That's the latest on one that it is

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Speaker 3: coming up to five o'clock on news Talk, said b

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Speaker 3: after five and Boston. This is the man who says

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Speaker 3: it's morally bankrupt for the state to just walk away

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Speaker 3: from people and their flood damaged homes. The state should

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Speaker 3: be providing cover for them in the event that the

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Speaker 3: worst happens. That debate next here on Newsbooks a peace.

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Speaker 1: Oh I get with my questions, answers, facts analysis, The

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Speaker 1: Drive show you trust for the full picture. Brian Bridge

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Speaker 1: on Heather Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good evening at a seven half to five. An expert

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Speaker 3: working group reckons the government should stop buyouts for homes

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Speaker 3: that are damaged by flooding or storms, and we've had

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Speaker 3: a few of those lately, haven't we. They reckon storms

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Speaker 3: could seriously damage four billion dollars worth of housing stock

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Speaker 3: over the next thirty years. Financially, UNSUCCA detainable to keep

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Speaker 3: treating the government as the defecto insurer, so we should

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Speaker 3: stop buying out people within twenty years. Not everyone agrees

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Speaker 3: with this. Victoria University Emeritus Professor Jonathan Boston with me tonight,

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Speaker 3: good evening, Good evening, Ryan, you have said this is

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Speaker 3: morally bankrupt. Why do you think that?

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Speaker 19: Well, essentially because Ryan, with climate change, we are facing

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Speaker 19: unprecedented and growing risks. We're going to be faced with

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Speaker 19: significant accelerating sea level rise which is going to impact

655
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Speaker 19: coastal communities all around the world, and Sydney all around

656
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Speaker 19: New Zealand and will require large numbers of people to

657
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Speaker 19: be relocated. And the suggestion that such people should be

658
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 19: how can I put it, required to move independently and

659
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 19: using only their own resources, seems to me to be

660
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 19: ethically highly questionable, practically kind of irresponsible, and politically naive.

661
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Speaker 19: In a society which is interdependent, in which we have

662
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Speaker 19: whole communities which are going to have to move. We're

663
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Speaker 19: going to need very significant, integrated planning. We're going to

664
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Speaker 19: need proper relocation of infrastructure of all kinds, including social

665
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Speaker 19: infrastructure such as healthcare facilities and schools and so on,

666
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Speaker 19: and we can't do that in the kind of risk

667
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 19: environment we're going to be faced with if those who

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 19: do not have the means to move are not provided

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Speaker 19: with some assistance.

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Speaker 3: The report does say it doesn't say no assistance. It

671
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: says the provision of hardship support should continue, but just

672
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Speaker 3: not be related to property values. In other words, we

673
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: won't buy you out for what your property was worth

674
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Speaker 3: pre storm.

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Speaker 19: Yes, but the kind of hardship assistance I think it

676
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 19: has in mind is simply the sort of assistance you

677
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 19: might get from MSD to help cover your food costs

678
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 19: and maybe your rent. It isn't the kind of assistance

679
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 19: that would enable somebody whose property has become worthless and

680
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 19: who still has a mortgage to then go and purchase

681
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 19: another property, or if they've got a business, to move

682
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 19: that business to some other location. So, just putting things

683
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Speaker 19: from perspective, Ryan I was part of what was called

684
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 19: the Expert work in group on managed to treat a

685
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Speaker 19: group of thirteen people hired by the former Chief Justice

686
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Speaker 19: and then a former Justice of the Supreme Court, Sir

687
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Speaker 19: Terence Arnold. We produced a very very detailed report, probably

688
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 19: fifteen times longer than the one that this independent reference

689
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 19: group has produced, which recognized that the big question here

690
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 19: is what are the principles that should inform who pays

691
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 19: for what in a context where we are faced with unprecedented, unwanted,

692
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 19: often uninsurable risks. And we said there should be buyouts

693
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 19: of residential properties, but there should be a cap on

694
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 19: the total amount to make that affordable, but also that

695
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 19: we should only assist principal places of residents. We shouldn't

696
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 19: be buying out.

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Speaker 3: And how much how much was that going to cost?

698
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 19: Well, it's going to cost more and more over time,

699
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 19: so we don't.

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Speaker 3: Know exactly how much. I mean, it's great to have

701
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: a very long report, and it's great that you want

702
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: to give everybody money, but how much does it cost?

703
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: And can we afford it? And will bankrup the government

704
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Speaker 3: in the process.

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Speaker 19: Well, first of all, we won't bankrupt the government. Ryan.

706
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Speaker 19: If the suggestion is that moving people out of harm's

707
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 19: way is going to be quote unaffordable, then I presume

708
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 19: it means it's unaffordable full stop, regardless of who's paying.

709
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 19: But that's not the case. We are unlikely to be

710
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 19: faced with a situation in which, if you like, civilization

711
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 19: completely breaks down and we have no capacity to move

712
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 19: people out of harm's way. So the question is, how

713
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 19: are we going to do that in a way that

714
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 19: is fair, cost effective, efficient, and so on, in the

715
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Speaker 19: kind of interdependent society that we have. So Ryan I,

716
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 19: I didn't say that we would buy everybody out. I

717
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 19: very explicitly said that the recommendations of the expert working

718
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 19: group that I was party two would involve caps on

719
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 19: the total amount of assistance, so we wouldn't be giving

720
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 19: multimillionaires millions of dollars for their lost mansions, and that

721
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 19: the eligibility would be tied to principal places of residence.

722
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Speaker 19: That is designed to ensure fairness, but also to ensure

723
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 19: that those who need assistance will be able to leave.

724
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Speaker 19: And we should recognize this is really critical.

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Speaker 3: It is critical. It's all critical, and I appreciate you

726
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: coming on the program at Professor, but we do have

727
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: to leave it there. I'm afraid that is Victoria University

728
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: Emeritus professor Jonathan Boston, who has a lot to say

729
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: about this, which is fair. My advice is just don't

730
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: buy anything by the water. That's what I'm packing up.

731
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Speaker 3: Just don't buy house by the water. It's twelve minutes

732
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Speaker 3: after five News talks a big Ryan brig So do

733
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: we have a case of co governance on our hands?

734
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Speaker 3: That's what some are saying this time and ought to

735
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Speaker 3: do it. It's a new deal struck with council. Locally

736
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: we will get co management rights over the Katamu Taikina Springs,

737
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: which supplies sixty percent of drinking water. Tarnia Tapsle is

738
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 3: the mayor there and joins me. Now, Hi, Tanya, sure, Ryan,

739
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: good to have you on the show. So who's what

740
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: was the reason for this deal being done?

741
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 10: Yeah?

742
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 7: Look, and I want to address the co governance or

743
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 7: co management. I think, you know, you really need to

744
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 7: look at the history and the facts, and the really

745
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 7: sad case in this instance is that this spring and

746
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 7: the surrounding land was forcibly taken by a previous council.

747
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 7: So we are actually correcting a lot of wrongs. We

748
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 7: have managed to give back land surrounding the springs to

749
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Speaker 7: the area. But most importantly, this spring supply sixty percent

750
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Speaker 7: the majority of our city's drinking water. So actually working

751
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 7: alongside them, and they've never ever said, hey, are we're

752
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 7: going to hold you to ransom, They've never done it.

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Speaker 7: They've always been really happy to support the continual drinking

754
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Speaker 7: water supply for our community, which we're very grateful for.

755
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Speaker 3: So, now that you have returned it, did they get money.

756
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Speaker 7: Yes, so there will be an ongoing operational grant to

757
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 7: support the trust capacity. So it's two hundred and eighty

758
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 7: four thousand that includes restoration, monitoring of the river. And

759
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 7: I've got to admit this is the cheapest option as well.

760
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Speaker 7: There were other options looked into, but as part of

761
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Speaker 7: holding the consent to take water, there is always going

762
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Speaker 7: to be ongoing operational cost and it's great that we

763
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Speaker 7: can work alongside them.

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Speaker 3: And this is yours. This is a council. It is

765
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: not part of a treaty settlement. It's not part of

766
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: a government director of This is just a council doing

767
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: this out of its own back with the EWI YEP.

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Speaker 7: This was the council that said, hey, actually we acknowledged

769
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Speaker 7: that previous council seventy one years ago did something pretty bad.

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Speaker 7: But this drinking water supply is very crucial for our city.

771
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 7: So this what we've done, secures the next thirty five years.

772
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Speaker 7: I've got to say some of the country's best drinking water.

773
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Speaker 3: Good on your town, your China taps or merit to

774
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: do it. It is quarter past five year on News

775
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Speaker 3: Talk said B. That report, by the way, that Jonathan

776
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: Boston was talking about, is eight pages long. And I mean,

777
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: I do have to laugh when somebody says my report

778
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: was longer than your report. It's like, well, who cares

779
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: how many pages it is? It's what's written inside. But

780
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: most of the most of what is written, and I

781
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: read it today is just waffle, you know. It's it's

782
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: we ought to do this, we ought to do that.

783
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: But that doesn't actually that's not clear, is it. It

784
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: doesn't actually tell you anything. It doesn't say on this date,

785
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: this will happen. If you have a house that gets flooded,

786
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: we're not paying. Doesn't say any of that. It's just

787
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of principles and well nonsense. Really, quarter past

788
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Speaker 3: after five news talk zib would be customers are being

807
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: pinged for booking cancelations for restaurants and Auckland Diner was

808
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: charged two hundred and fifty bucks for canceling a five

809
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: person booking at an inner city restaurant less than twenty

810
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 3: four hours before the dinner. The restaurant says customers must

811
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: click through the cancelation policy on their website, but have

812
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: since refunded the woman out of good faith. Sahar alone

813
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: is consumer in zed with us. Now, Hey, Sahar, Hey Ryan,

814
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: how's it going good? Thank you? I think this is

815
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: fair enough because when I go to the barber, I sign,

816
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: you know, I pay actually in advance, and then if

817
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: I don't turn up, I get charged because otherwise, you know,

818
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: he's sitting there twiddling his thumbs. Thumbs. Same with restaurants.

819
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean you are entering into a contract when

820
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 20: you make that booking, So I would caution people to

821
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 20: read the t's and c's. But there's also a responsibility

822
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 20: on the restaurant to make those terms really clear upfront.

823
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: So before you do the booking, before you click through.

824
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 20: And that's right.

825
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there anything illegal about it?

826
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Speaker 20: Well, I mean those terms have to be reasonable, so

827
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Speaker 20: the woman could argue that you know, they are not

828
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 20: reasonable and make it and make a request to her

829
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 20: bank that they refund.

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Speaker 3: Them two hundred and fifty dollars for a five person booking.

831
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: Does the fee have to be a reasonable fee or

832
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Speaker 3: can they I mean, could they charge one thousand dollars

833
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: for five people if they wanted to do? It's up

834
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Speaker 3: to them.

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Speaker 20: I mean, that doesn't seem very reasonable, does it. But yeah,

836
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 20: that that's probably not up to me.

837
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Speaker 9: To make the call.

838
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 20: But yeah, I think she could argue that that's not

839
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 20: a reasonable charge. And I think on this woman's okay,

840
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 20: she did say that had she known that it was

841
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 20: going to be that amount, she might have made other arrangements.

842
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, So best advice is just read before you sign,

843
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: read before you click.

844
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Speaker 20: Totally. Yeah, And to your point, you know, I've had

845
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 20: this come up with my hair dresser in the past,

846
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 20: and I've said to him, hey, look I'm going to

847
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 20: be late and told him that quite late and out

848
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 20: of good faith. He said, oh, it's right this time.

849
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Speaker 20: And I've also had the benefit of being able to

850
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 20: walk into my hairdresser when he is available. So I

851
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 20: think there's got to be a little bit of good

852
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 20: well on both ends.

853
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: You're true, So how I appreciate you coming on the show.

854
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 3: So how lone consumer in z communication and campaigns manager

855
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: there with my barber, because I feel so guilty if

856
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm even a little bit late. In fact, I'm late

857
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: to most things, just a little bit late to most things.

858
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: But I'm always on time to the barber. Always leave

859
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: with an extra twenty minutes to look for a car,

860
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: you know, twenty minutes just for car park hunting, because

861
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: I feel bad like this guy's busy, he's back to back,

862
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: he's got fifteen minutes slots. He's very good at what

863
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 3: he does, and I don't want to muck him around.

864
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: So I'm always on time for the barber. You know,

865
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't be on time for a funeral, but I'll be

866
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: on time for the barber. Twenty two after five News

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Speaker 3: Talks ADB.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story. It's Ryan Bridgejohn Heather

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Speaker 1: Dup c Allen drive with One New Zealand Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and news Talks at B.

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Speaker 3: Five twenty five on your Thursday evening. Good to have

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Speaker 3: your company. It's been forty years since the French sunk

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Speaker 3: the Rainbow Warrior. They wanted to stop the protests against

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Speaker 3: nuclear testing and muroor Roa and the terrorist attack by

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Speaker 3: our friends on our soil was outrageous, and it feels

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Speaker 3: as outrageous today as I'm sure it did.

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Speaker 20: Then.

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Speaker 3: Two years after the event, we cement our nuclear free stance.

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Speaker 3: We're officially against nuclear weapons, testing of them, the manufacture

880
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Speaker 3: of them. Testing, of course, is bad for the environment.

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Speaker 3: But let me ask you a question. Since Roshima and Nagasaki,

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Speaker 3: have we had another World War? The answer is no.

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Speaker 3: We've had decades, of course of Cold war between Russia

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Speaker 3: and the West. We've had plenty of conflicts Africa, Eastern Europe,

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Speaker 3: the Middle East, but nothing's escalated quite in the way

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Speaker 3: it did in World Wars one and two. And I

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Speaker 3: think you've got to ask yourself why did we collectively

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Speaker 3: realize the bloody cost of far away battles and drawing

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Speaker 3: our friends into conflict. Did we wake up after the

890
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Speaker 3: second round and think, oh, World Wars aren't that great?

891
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Speaker 3: Or did we witness the power of atomic weapons in

892
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Speaker 3: Japan and scare ourselves silly. The theory of nuclear deterrence

893
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Speaker 3: basically says that, yes, nukes are evil inventions, but their

894
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Speaker 3: existence deters your enemies from attacking you for fear that

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Speaker 3: you'll hit back with it nuke mutually assured destruction. It's

896
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Speaker 3: like school yard bullies. You don't pick on a guy

897
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Speaker 3: who's got a bunch of older brothers who could come

898
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Speaker 3: and beat you up. The threat of getting totally annihilated

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Speaker 3: deters you from picking on somebody with nuclear weapons or

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Speaker 3: messing with their friends. So, yes, nukes are bad, but

901
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Speaker 3: does anybody think without them we'd have gone eighty years

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Speaker 3: without another major world war? Rich twenty seven after five

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Speaker 3: News Talk said bebe nine nine two is the number detext.

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Speaker 3: We'd love your feedback on that this evening. Ryan, what's

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Speaker 3: up with all the do gooders on the show today?

906
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Speaker 3: I mean, you can't fold the passion, but cheap as

907
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Speaker 3: the world view is definitely up for debate, says Nathan.

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Speaker 3: I think Nathan's talking about the forest and bird and

909
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Speaker 3: the climate change. Ask Laura, she produced the show. Hey,

910
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Speaker 3: don't forget raise it. This guy is not a do

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Speaker 3: good though, he better do good this weekend. Scott Robertson

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Speaker 3: on the show after News at five point thirty and

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Speaker 3: the huddle lots to come. No more do good as

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Speaker 3: I promise News Talks.

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Speaker 21: B games for you person over.

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Speaker 1: Again after making the news. The newsweakers. Talk to Ryan First,

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Speaker 1: it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicylan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news Talksb's.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, twenty five away from six news Talk zib

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Do Goota show. After six o'clock we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk magazines. Do you like the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Women's Weekly? Do you like Women's Day? I don't mind

923
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Speaker 3: perusing myself the listener. Well, they're all part of our

924
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Speaker 3: media and the owner wants to flog them off, wants

925
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Speaker 3: to sell them. We'll talk to Dunk and Grieve about

926
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Speaker 3: that after six. Right now though, this weekend the All

927
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Speaker 3: Blacks the Big Test. So the team has been named

928
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Speaker 3: for the second Test against France. There have been three changes.

929
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Speaker 3: You'll know about those from the news already. New Zealand

930
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Speaker 3: is up one nill in the series after a surprisingly

931
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Speaker 3: narrow win Indoned on Saturday. I must say Scott Robertson

932
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Speaker 3: is the All Blacks head coach and he's with me now.

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Speaker 3: Hi raiser, Ryan, good afternoon, How are you doing? How

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Speaker 3: are you feeling about this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Looking forward to me. It's good, have always been

936
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Speaker 2: the Capitol. You know, it's good to be in front

937
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Speaker 2: of you to sold out stadium. We're at in the

938
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Speaker 2: hut at the moment with oppreparations in Indian Ceres and

939
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Speaker 2: we're moving into town this afternoon. So look, test weeks

940
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Speaker 2: are pre special and it's going to be here and

941
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Speaker 2: we're looking better.

942
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the win on Saturday, obviously, but it

943
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Speaker 3: was close. Have you got a bit of work today.

944
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Speaker 2: Yeah, You've always got work to do. I think it's

945
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Speaker 2: a similar part about myself with our coaching group. You know,

946
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Speaker 2: our dog really used to make us better and helping

947
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Speaker 2: me improve in the series. We can't prove on and look,

948
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Speaker 2: the games pretty complicated. He's some decisions that then go

949
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Speaker 2: your way, But how do you react to that was

950
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Speaker 2: the key and we could have got frustrated on so

951
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Speaker 2: they not. We were calm and clear and got the

952
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Speaker 2: result and be beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Why bring Caleb Clark into the starting side. What have

954
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Speaker 3: you seen from him?

955
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Speaker 2: Kelly? It's Kelly's he's a pal. Yeah, he's great. Yearly,

956
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: we performed really well for us last year, so this

957
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: is his opportunity.

958
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Speaker 3: Do you think he's up to well? Obviously you do

959
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: because you put him in there.

960
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Speaker 2: That's why we picked him. Mate.

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Speaker 3: But I mean he didn't have a great Super Rugby

962
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Speaker 3: season as you know. But well I'm told he didn't

963
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Speaker 3: the score and he tries all Super Rugby season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look worth to change that, won't we. It's it's

965
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Speaker 2: important you trust players and give them opportunities, and that's

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Speaker 2: this weekend, you know, set them up to be ready

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Speaker 2: and back themselves.

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Speaker 3: How much are those calls for you as a coach

969
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Speaker 3: are about stats? And how much are about your relationships

970
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Speaker 3: and your gut feeling about people?

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Speaker 2: It's all of that. You know, your auc human decisions

972
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Speaker 2: are very similar like that, aren't they. You sort of

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Speaker 2: get that your gut feeling is backed up by steps

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Speaker 2: and then you know, here's for year before or not

975
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Speaker 2: or where they act and is there any things that

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Speaker 2: are going on that you can help with, so you

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Speaker 2: consider them all. I mean, you're just going to back

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Speaker 2: it and there's a not to it sometimes and you

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Speaker 2: always get to add someone you chet to the just

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Speaker 2: to make sure that you've seen all angles and get

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Speaker 2: the point of your cross.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got any debuting Is he a wing or

983
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Speaker 3: is he a midfield? Is he both?

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Speaker 2: Is your hooker. No, no, Jackie, he could be a

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Speaker 2: seven two. Looks. The great thing about Jimmy de Buss

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Speaker 2: we call him the more fe he's he's been really

987
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Speaker 2: consistent all year. Awesome defender, go to the breakdown and

988
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Speaker 2: then powerful ball carrier. So he gives you something pretty special.

989
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Speaker 2: And you know his craft this year and I believed

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Speaker 2: the captain the Highlanders and makes him, you know, some

991
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Speaker 2: great moments for him. He's got him a chance to

992
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Speaker 2: play test for New Zealand. So it's a great story

993
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Speaker 2: and of great performances.

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00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: Hey, how's on Scott Barrett doing any idea when he'll

995
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Speaker 3: be back.

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Speaker 20: Yet?

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Speaker 2: Scott, we'll an ouncet early next week. Scans are still

998
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Speaker 2: permitting the helbels, but he's obviously out for these first

999
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Speaker 2: two tests. So look, yeah, I can't give you a

1000
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Speaker 2: different of answer, but it will be a few weeks.

1001
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Speaker 3: Here, a couple of weeks and then hopefully it'll be back.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not the end of days.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. No, it's not quite the season stuff.

1004
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Speaker 2: You know, like she's she's a carpentery and they can

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Speaker 2: be negli. So we'll make sure he's one hundred percent.

1006
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Speaker 2: You get a good thing about him. We can get

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Speaker 2: under a beach press now and clear as mine is

1008
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Speaker 2: freshing up and come back for the hip.

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Speaker 3: Hey, France have apparently given Hamilton a bit of a snub.

1010
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Speaker 3: They are staying in Auckland for most of next week

1011
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Speaker 3: because they prefer the hotels and the training facilities and

1012
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: stuff like that. You guys ever had any issues with

1013
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: the facilities training in Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Look, mate, we're a big friends of the tron We

1015
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Speaker 2: you know we're in. We're in for the week. Uh.

1016
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Speaker 2: We've got good training ground. That's that's really important process

1017
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Speaker 2: we get better obviously we're good training ground and the

1018
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Speaker 2: hospitality is pretty special. You've got a chief boys and

1019
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: the team. They look afford to going home and send

1020
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Speaker 2: your families at night the old night there and you

1021
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Speaker 2: know we'll connect with the local faro and the fine

1022
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Speaker 2: why will be good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Get a home cook meal. That always helps usn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 3: That's Scott Raiser Robinson. Thanks for being on the show.

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Speaker 3: Scott Scott Robinson all Blacks head coach and Jen has

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Speaker 3: been texting and can I listen on the radio. The

1028
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Speaker 3: answer is yes you can and you can do that

1029
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Speaker 3: on news Talks there'd be from six o'clock this weekend,

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Speaker 3: this Saturday. It is nineteen minutes away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes, uniquely

1032
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Speaker 1: for you to.

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Speaker 3: Our panel, Cleared the Lord journalists, good evening, good evening,

1034
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Speaker 3: and Craig RENI c to you economists with us this

1035
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Speaker 3: evening as well. Craig, good evening to you. Good evening, Hi, Craig,

1036
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Speaker 3: great to have you both here. Forty years since the

1037
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Speaker 3: bombing of the Rainbow Warrior, so many stories coming out today.

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Speaker 3: I interviewed a woman this morning actually who was the cook,

1039
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Speaker 3: the chef on board the boat as it were, you know,

1040
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Speaker 3: because it was hit twice, two bombs seven minutes apart.

1041
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: Just amazing to look back on that and think that

1042
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Speaker 3: it was, you know, the French secret service that did it.

1043
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Speaker 22: Clear I know, as it unfolded, it seemed just as unreal,

1044
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 22: unbelievable really, even though you know it had happened in

1045
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Speaker 22: front of our very eyes. More or less, the idea

1046
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Speaker 22: that the French were behind it, somebody we'd fought in

1047
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Speaker 22: not that many years earlier in the Second World War,

1048
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Speaker 22: fought four. The French was pretty amazing, but the anti

1049
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 22: nuclear thing had kicked off big time at that stage,

1050
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Speaker 22: and I'm afraid we found ourselves with allies who really

1051
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Speaker 22: didn't lift a finger in either protest or in any

1052
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Speaker 22: other way.

1053
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Speaker 3: And then two years later we really cemented that stance,

1054
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Speaker 3: that anti nuclear stance. Craig, do you I wonder whether

1055
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Speaker 3: you think we would have done that if the rain

1056
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Speaker 3: Bow Warrior thing hadn't happened.

1057
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Speaker 23: You know, I think it was certainly a custleist. I

1058
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Speaker 23: think it's certainly helped, But I like to think that

1059
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Speaker 23: New Zealand as a country has had a long and

1060
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Speaker 23: honorable sussition, you know, of supporting anti nuclear compians and

1061
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Speaker 23: certainly being a country that doesn't want to see nuclear

1062
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Speaker 23: weapons here. I think, you know, it certainly helps, but

1063
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Speaker 23: I think in the long run, I can't see New

1064
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Speaker 23: Zealand as a country either supporting usulo weapons or supporting

1065
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Speaker 23: countries storing nudulo weapons in it in our country.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it makes the world safer having clear

1067
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: having nuclear weapons as a deterrent?

1068
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Speaker 22: Well, I mean, you know, mutually assured destruction, you know, mad,

1069
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 22: complete madness and insanity behind that belief. Whether or not

1070
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Speaker 22: it has any veracity, it's really hard to say because

1071
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 22: we never want to see it tested. But if it's

1072
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Speaker 22: absolutely true, that means every country should have a little

1073
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Speaker 22: arsenal that can take out their nearest neighbor or there

1074
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Speaker 22: are closest perceived threat. I just think it's it's just

1075
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Speaker 22: a very sad indictment on us that that should be

1076
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Speaker 22: the case. And meanwhile, that's not as if the world

1077
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Speaker 22: has been completely peaceful. Now there have been millions of

1078
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Speaker 22: people dying in conflicts with conventional arms all.

1079
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Speaker 3: Around the world. Absolutely, but the fact that it hasn't

1080
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Speaker 3: escalated into a global comp into a World War III. Craig,

1081
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Speaker 3: is that because everyone's too scared because someone will bring

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Speaker 3: out a nuke.

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Speaker 23: I think it helps, but I mean, you know, it's

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Speaker 23: I guess the question is security for who? Because you know,

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Speaker 23: we did various third world countries around the world, as

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Speaker 23: Claire has said, haven't seen security for decades. There's been

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Speaker 23: conflicts raging across Africa, across Asia. We've seen you know,

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Speaker 23: there's been security for those nations that have held nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 23: I think it'd all be more secure if those nuclear

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Speaker 23: weapons disappeared off the planet.

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Speaker 22: The other thing is after the war there was the

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Speaker 22: development of all the multinational organizations and entry and until

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Speaker 22: the most recent iteration of madness by way of various

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Speaker 22: administrations we won't name, they have been observed. And I

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Speaker 22: think the worst thing that could have happened now is

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Speaker 22: non proliferation treaties will be very hard to get people

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Speaker 22: to sign up.

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Speaker 3: But you can't stay clear that you know that NATO

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Speaker 3: that well. You can't say that the UN, the advent

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Speaker 3: of the U WIN has stopped World War three. It's

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Speaker 3: it's that plus some firepower in the back, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 22: It's put some moral pressure on countries. It is brought

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Speaker 22: together countries where they have to get together and meet

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Speaker 22: at the General Assembly. They have to eyeball and meet

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Speaker 22: face to face with some people that they cannot stomach.

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Speaker 22: They sometimes have to sit around the same table as them.

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Speaker 22: But now we see the UN rendered more or less toothless.

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Speaker 22: And if you have a look at the UN Security Council,

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Speaker 22: it's completely bonkers joke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, the owners of a women's weekly, the listeners,

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Speaker 3: some really vital staples in your magazine bookshelf. Looking for

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Speaker 3: a buyer for these magazines, Craig, do you still read them?

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Speaker 23: I read magazines, but I think, like many other people, Ryan,

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Speaker 23: I read them online. I don't read them in their

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Speaker 23: physical copy. I don't go to the you know, the

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Speaker 23: news agent, so the supermarket and buy them anymore. The

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Speaker 23: magazines I read, you know, they're all tend to be

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Speaker 23: published online. Like The Economist that's already online. You know,

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Speaker 23: the Listener that's online, and it's just easier. And that's

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Speaker 23: where I tend to do. If I'm reading a magazine article,

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Speaker 23: I'll read it just like I read any of their

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Speaker 23: article i'll read on a website.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, magazines and their paper form have certainly had their

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Speaker 22: glory days. They're behind them, and nearly everybody has got

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Speaker 22: on their phone a little digital library. However, that digital

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Speaker 22: library has to be curated rather well, and I'd have

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Speaker 22: to say that in some of these titles have fallen

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Speaker 22: well behind. They don't have their own app. For example,

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Speaker 22: the Listener that I wrote for for a number of years,

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Speaker 22: it doesn't have its own app that you can easily

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Speaker 22: open as you can for example, as Craig says, with

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Speaker 22: The Economist, and it's just sitting.

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Speaker 3: There for you.

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Speaker 22: So I think with the fall and advertising revenues, the

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Speaker 22: increased costs of paper, for example, postage delivery, and people's

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Speaker 22: changed habits, I think it's probably going to be hard

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Speaker 22: to find an owner that's going to pay very much

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Speaker 22: for these titles.

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Speaker 23: Clear the thing would says that it's either we're all

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Speaker 23: going to mess that long form curated journalism that it produces.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean hopefully someone picks them up. It's

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Speaker 3: not the end of the story for these titles, because

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Speaker 3: a couple, particularly Women's Weekly and The Listener, I think,

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Speaker 3: are both brilliant and reflect in very different ways, but

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Speaker 3: reflect New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: You've been a cover boy on one of them.

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Speaker 3: All right, many times, many times. It's no wonder they're

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Speaker 3: not flying off the shelves. Need to get you on

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Speaker 3: the cover again. Cleared the Law, journalist Craig Rennie on

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Speaker 3: the Huddle Tonight Back in a Moment.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 1: for Unmassed Results.

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Speaker 3: Cleared the Law and Craig Rennie on the Hub to

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Speaker 3: Night teen Away from six. Craig, what do you think

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Speaker 3: is more important one thousand human jobs or ten thousand lizards.

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Speaker 23: Oh, it's a balance, but I think the lizards have

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Speaker 23: to be providing a lot of GDP to get past

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Speaker 23: that thousand human jobs.

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Speaker 3: So you're on the side of the humans, you're on

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Speaker 3: the side of comments.

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Speaker 23: I'm I'm on the side of trying to mixture of

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Speaker 23: people have incomes that they have, they have job security, communities,

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Speaker 23: have something to look forward to. And you know, it's

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Speaker 23: always it's always a struggle. It's always a balance to

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Speaker 23: balance the needs of the bias, you know, the environment.

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Speaker 9: But we can we can probably do this better than

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Speaker 9: we do it now.

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Speaker 3: Clear Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 22: I want the lizards. I want the jobs. I want

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Speaker 22: the lizards to be relocated. I want their DNA preserves

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Speaker 22: so Peter Jackson can help us out if something goes wrong.

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Speaker 22: And I want the mining companies, whatever licenses they get,

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Speaker 22: I want them to be strictly supervised, and I want

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Speaker 22: them to come down on like a ton of breaks.

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Speaker 22: If they don't, you know, serve their right to mind.

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Speaker 3: Because the thing about it is, we are a touris

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Speaker 3: you know, tourism's up there in terms of our export earners,

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Speaker 3: and people do come because they like to look at

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Speaker 3: nice things, not mine. So there is an economic argument

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Speaker 3: for protecting them too.

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Speaker 22: But the lizards live under rocks, so people can't go

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Speaker 22: and just easily observe them. And also they're going to

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Speaker 22: squash them walking over their territory to go and see them.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to work. Run you go something like

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Speaker 3: you just want to massacre that all the lizards.

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Speaker 22: Have you seen the Stockton open cast mining? Yes, where

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Speaker 22: they restore the ground. I mean, look, there are going

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Speaker 22: to be conservationist out there who hate me for this,

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Speaker 22: but I think it's as well done as it can be.

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Speaker 3: You can unfart, and I think on the West.

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Speaker 22: Coast we have got to the point where we don't

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Speaker 22: let West Coasters move without wanting to conserve every aspect

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Speaker 22: of what's around them. The natural beauty is phenomenal, but

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Speaker 22: there's only like one percent of it that has people

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Speaker 22: living on it. Where people do have to live, young

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Speaker 22: people have to have a future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need opportunity in this country. Otherwise, as we've

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Speaker 3: seen from the stats today, we'll have more of them

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Speaker 3: leaving for Australia. Craig Renny and clear the law on

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Speaker 3: the huddle tonight, guys. Thank you very much, lovely debate.

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Speaker 3: Eight minutes away from six o'clock. You're on news Talk ZEBB.

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Speaker 3: After six, we'll look more at those magazines, who might

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Speaker 3: buy them, if anyone, and does it mean necessarily that

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Speaker 3: they will fold All ahead.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: News Talks eb It is five minutes away from six

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Speaker 3: Ryan Mutually Assured Destruction. We've been talking about nuclear weapons

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Speaker 3: and whether they stop World War III. Mutually Assured Destruction

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Speaker 3: has been an effective deterrence. As the text, one could

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Speaker 3: argue it's predicated on the parties concerned having similar views

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Speaker 3: on their continued existence. I'm not sure this would be

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Speaker 3: the case should Iran have access to that sort of firepower,

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Speaker 3: Which is a fair point to make. Now. If you

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Speaker 3: love Coldplay and given the sold our Eden Park three

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Speaker 3: times in a row last year, chances are you probably

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Speaker 3: could be a Coldplay fan. The next story might grind

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Speaker 3: your gears a week, but music experts have officially concluded

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Speaker 3: the band has become boring. Durham University Research has compared

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Speaker 3: the band's catalog of songs with ram radio head Buddy

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Speaker 3: Holly Patsy Klein a whole bunch. They analyze variety and

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Speaker 3: how songs differed over time, including rhythm, tempo, keys, chords,

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Speaker 3: all sorts. Their analysis of colds Plays music found the

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Speaker 3: band has become less harmonically daring as they become part

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Speaker 3: of the pop mainstream. Little experiment here you can make

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Speaker 3: up your own minds. This is from the Scientists on

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Speaker 3: their two thousand and two album.

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Speaker 12: Oh it was just scarce thesous.

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Speaker 21: Persu I do love Coldplay, Questions past forward twenty years

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Speaker 21: and here's higher power from the music of the Spheres.

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Speaker 12: Our album got to sing every sad, don't see every

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: This is apparently the boring song. Oh look, it's starting

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Speaker 3: to get funky. Yeah, it does sound very similar, but

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Speaker 3: then most bands have a similar sound, don't you. I

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Speaker 3: mean that's the point of people like your sound. You

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Speaker 3: keep making the same sound. If you were to just

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Speaker 3: do something completely different, no one would buy you, you know,

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Speaker 3: is this boring?

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Speaker 1: Actually?

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Speaker 3: Three minutes away from six, when you're on news talkshed Beat,

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Speaker 3: We're going to get to the UK and the Brady

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Speaker 3: After at six o'clock and look at those magazines all.

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Speaker 24: Ahead where business meets inside The Business Hour with Ryan

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Speaker 24: Bridge and Mass' invest.

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Speaker 1: With Cruel Your Wealth, Protect Your Future. News Talks MB.

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Speaker 3: Good Evening, Thursday, seven minutes after Sex Year on News

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Speaker 3: Talk SEB Lots to get through this hour, including Sam Dicky.

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Speaker 3: He's got an update from Fisher Funds, He's got an

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Speaker 3: update on Tesla, what's happening with the stock price and why?

1252
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 3: Ende Brady out of the UK and Hamish Mackay from

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Speaker 3: Well does the country for us today? And a little

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Speaker 3: interesting one for you via Smith and Coe's sadly closed down,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of stuff from the store now going

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Speaker 3: up for auction. We will get to that later in

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Speaker 3: the program too. Right now, some of the country's most

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Speaker 3: iconic magazines are going up for sale again, five years

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Speaker 3: after they were rescued from cancelation during the pandemic. The Listener,

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Speaker 3: Women's Day, New Zealand, Women's Weekly and some other titles

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Speaker 3: were bought by Our Media in twenty twenty after Bao

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Speaker 3: Media abruptly closed them, but now Our Media is on

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Speaker 3: the market, reportedly because it hasn't been making enough of

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Speaker 3: a profit. Duncan Grieve is the host of the spin

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Speaker 3: Off Media podcast and joins me now hih duncan Hey Royn,

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Speaker 3: how are you good? So they're just not making enough money?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean I think that that's the sort of

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Speaker 25: thesis coming out of Australia. I actually recently interviewed Stuart Dick,

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Speaker 25: our media's boss here, and he was very upbeat about

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Speaker 25: how the New zeal assets are performing, and you know

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Speaker 25: that might well be be true. It's a much leaner

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Speaker 25: operation here, so you know that there might be a

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Speaker 25: difference there, But overall, magazines are a tough business to

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Speaker 25: be in anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 3: Does it matter, well, presumably quite important who buys them

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Speaker 3: and that will determine what happens with the next.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean they're being sold by a private equity owner.

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Speaker 25: Typically they want to buy it cheap, strip out costs,

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Speaker 25: get the profit margins up and sell them for more.

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Speaker 25: They've held it for a relatively long time, five years

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Speaker 25: for that kind of a program, and they're not selling

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Speaker 25: at what you'd call the optimum time for any media asset.

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Speaker 25: So it makes you think that maybe something has gone

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Speaker 25: a bit awry there. So you know this talk of

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Speaker 25: maybe they could go to another private actuory buy but

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Speaker 25: I think especially if they cut off the new zeal assets.

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Speaker 25: I can see someone like enzed me, which does already

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Speaker 25: do the digital subscriptions for the listener, potentially taking a

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Speaker 25: look at them.

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Speaker 3: What is it worth? I mean, is it the fact

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Speaker 3: that they're hard copy magazines that makes it hard to

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Speaker 3: make money out of.

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Speaker 25: I think that some of it is kind of perception

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Speaker 25: narrative stuff. You know that magazines used to be amazing

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Speaker 25: moneymaking machines, and a lot of premium brands would only

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Speaker 25: advertise in them or put a lot of their spend

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Speaker 25: through them. That kind of stuff has gone to other

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Speaker 25: places now, even though there is still a robust, if

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Speaker 25: aging audience for magazines. But they still have like good

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Speaker 25: sort of subscription revenues and you can make a good

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Speaker 25: business out of them. But they're just not as sexy

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Speaker 25: as they once were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I was thinking today about your women's

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Speaker 3: days and stuff. Nowadays you've got social media and celebrities

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Speaker 3: and you know, actors, and they've all got their own

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Speaker 3: They basically do their own women's day through their Instagram accounts,

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Speaker 3: don't they.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: Well, the sort of so called lifestyle and women's titles

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Speaker 25: that they have probably the most impacted in terms of

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Speaker 25: the kind of you know, exactly what you said, that

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Speaker 25: the fact that what they the function that they performed

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Speaker 25: has been somewhat duplicated. There is an older audiences. People

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Speaker 25: live a lot longer now, so you know, they still

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Speaker 25: have quite good sales, but they don't have that same

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Speaker 25: sense of being really central to the culture anymore, whereas

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Speaker 25: a title like Listener, which is actually a real outlier

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Speaker 25: amongst the rest of the portfolio. You know, I think

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Speaker 25: under Kirsty's learnership, it really has done a very good

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Speaker 25: job of getting back to being a quite psychostic publication again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dunk and I hope that someone picks them up,

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Speaker 3: because there's some really talented journalists working at these magazines

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Speaker 3: and they I just hope that they keep going. Dunk

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Speaker 3: and Grief, host of the Fold the Spinoffs Media podcast

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Speaker 3: Time is eleven.

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Speaker 1: After six Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: So Smith and Coey's sadly has closed down, but a

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Speaker 3: lot of this stuff from the store is now up

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Speaker 3: for auction. Santa's Sleigh Smith and Coey's Smith and Coey's

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Speaker 3: Santa's Sleigh is up for auction. It's part of a

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Speaker 3: bundle of Christmas stuff. Does it fly?

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Speaker 26: Does it say whether it flies or them.

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Speaker 3: Let me just have any of the reindeer for that

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Speaker 3: doesn't have a chat. Just looking at the terms, I

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Speaker 3: think it needs a bit of magic, very dust for

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Speaker 3: that to happen. But you know, potentially, let's not rule

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Speaker 3: it out. Forty thousand dollars gets you a bundle of

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Speaker 3: Christmas stock starting bid forty thousand dollars. What's included, Well,

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Speaker 3: Santa's Slave, that's your big ticket item. You get Christmas trees,

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Speaker 3: you get vintage Christmas ornaments. People love Smith and Coey's

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Speaker 3: Christmas ornaments. They go there. I've got friends who are

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Speaker 3: go and by them every year. Obviously, very rich antique furniture,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of stuff, but the one that I

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Speaker 3: want to get my hands on. Several premium gold mannekins

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Speaker 3: available and the Smith and Corey auction starting at fifty dollars.

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Speaker 3: I want one of those because I have at my house.

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Speaker 3: You know Christine Rankin back in the nineties, when she

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Speaker 3: was at the peak of her winds battling the government days,

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Speaker 3: she would wear the short skirts, mini skirts and the

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Speaker 3: Hope earrings, the big ear rings. Everyone remembers this. It

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Speaker 3: was a moment in fashion and we were running an

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Speaker 3: auction for charity, and I said, why don't we try

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Speaker 3: and get Christine Rankin's short dress and one of her

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Speaker 3: outfits and the ear rings and put an auction it,

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Speaker 3: which we did. And then and we also got like

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters and we've got to double breasted jacket from

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Speaker 3: Winston Peter's all this cool stuff, and people bit on it,

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Speaker 3: add an auction and bought it, and I ended up

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Speaker 3: buying Christine Rankin's dress. So I've got at my home

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Speaker 3: a green Christine Rankin skirt mini skirt. I've tried to

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Speaker 3: get into it for a dress up party, but honestly,

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Speaker 3: she must have the tiniest waist. Couldn't get myself. I

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Speaker 3: couldn't even get a thigh in anyway. So I've got

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Speaker 3: that sitting at home. I've got the earrings sitting with it,

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Speaker 3: and they're just collecting dust. So what I'm going to

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Speaker 3: do is I'm going to get one of these fifty

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Speaker 3: dollars gold mannekins from Smith and Koe's and put Christine

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Speaker 3: Rankin's skirt on it, put it in the corner of

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Speaker 3: country tonight. Hey Hamish, how are you?

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Speaker 9: Oh? Very good? Thank you sir? Can't complain.

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Speaker 3: Hey you splitting your time between Auckland and Manawatu these days?

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Speaker 3: Aren't you keeping your finger on the farming pulse? How's

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Speaker 3: the mood? How's the mood across our farming sectors at

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Speaker 3: the moment.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's really interesting because these are real times

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Speaker 9: in terms of farm gate returns, the prices right across

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Speaker 9: the board, the dairy industry obviously, you know, the beef

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Speaker 9: industry lamb all very good, pretty good across cropping and

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Speaker 9: right across the board. These are good times. And you know,

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Speaker 9: and there's a new awareness I think, and I think

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Speaker 9: it's kind of a buoyancy that accepts and enjoys being

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Speaker 9: the backbone of the economy, not any other hare brained

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Speaker 9: idea that comes along gets wiped out by COVID. I mean,

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Speaker 9: farming is the real deal. And you've got a lot

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Speaker 9: of new blood coming through now who go you know,

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Speaker 9: not dwell too much on what might be or what

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Speaker 9: could be. Let's just get on with it, you know.

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Speaker 9: And you see that coming through with the Great Young

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Speaker 9: Farmer Awards that winners and the Jerry Award winners, and

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Speaker 9: these are people all advocates not just for themselves but

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Speaker 9: for the industry and for the whole primary sector right

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Speaker 9: and particularly the farming right across the board. But you know,

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 9: of course it's all tempered by rising costs. And you

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Speaker 9: know we've seen that with a diesel and certain animal

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Speaker 9: animal welfare and you know, all the costs that come.

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Speaker 9: That's that's there. But I think you know, what I've

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Speaker 9: what I've spotted or what I've felt, is a pretty

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Speaker 9: solid mood one where where previously you might get you know, like,

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Speaker 9: you know, I feel like, oh, well, when's are going

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Speaker 9: to end? When's it going to end? Well, maybe it doesn't.

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Speaker 9: Maybe there is sort of a nice long patch and

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Speaker 9: nice long innings of seriously good returns are coming for

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Speaker 9: our farmers.

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Speaker 3: Well hope so, because I mainten dollars a kilo Folk

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Speaker 3: solids is a great price, where is where is the

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Speaker 3: money going? I mean we obviously we saw the track

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Speaker 3: to sales at Field Days, but are farmers out there

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Speaker 3: buying lots of stuff. Are they paying down debt? What's

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Speaker 3: the story?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well that old you know. I know Jamie always

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Speaker 9: talks about the barometer of the tractor sales at field days.

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Speaker 9: But I think there is a lot of a common

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Speaker 9: sense approach here. When we had what we're there boom,

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Speaker 9: what was seven or eight years ago, there was pretty good.

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Speaker 9: Prices were up again, particularly in that dairy sector, but

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 9: obviously the rising costs this time. But you've got you've

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Speaker 9: got a bit of a you've got it's kind of

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Speaker 9: as a segment, I think, to produce at a very

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01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 9: you know, they have a less than say five or

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01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 9: six dollars a kilogram, so they've got a margin of

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Speaker 9: you know, four or five dollars a kilogram. And when

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Speaker 9: you're producing two hundred two hundred thousand kilograms of milk solids,

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Speaker 9: where you go, you do the numbers pretty quickly. You're

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Speaker 9: a pretty good CEO in terms of a salary coming

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Speaker 9: health your farm. But there are those who probably are

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Speaker 9: producing with interest rates that are you know, historically not

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Speaker 9: the lowest, and of course all the rise and costs,

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01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 9: so you're probably a lot of those are producing that

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 9: seven or eight dollars of kilogram, So the margin between

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 9: that and the ten dollars isn't as fact that I

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Speaker 9: think you'll find, and I think, you know, the bankers

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Speaker 9: and everybody involved would be pretty adam at this time around.

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Speaker 9: It's about getting that reducing that depth, not the new

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Speaker 9: car and the holiday as much. So I think there's

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Speaker 9: a lot of sort of sensibility happening around, particularly around

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Speaker 9: that ten dollar payout.

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Speaker 3: What's happening around your way with farm and sell prices.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I think the things to be, you know,

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Speaker 9: I think probably under the current current government it's a

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Speaker 9: slightly less restrictive regulatory kind of entirements for farmers. I guess,

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Speaker 9: you know, we've got to have right thing rightful things

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Speaker 9: like targets around emissions and you know, looking after the land.

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Speaker 9: But I genuinely believe that the vast majority of farmers

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Speaker 9: are good about that anyway. So look, I think the

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Speaker 9: numbers are about seventy percent year on year up, so

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Speaker 9: you know, so that's pretty you know, I think there's

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Speaker 9: just some good capital out there wanting to get in,

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 9: and particularly I guess in that dairy sector again and

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Speaker 9: hopefully not we're not going to use the term here

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Speaker 9: rain before. I hope you're not going to see too

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Speaker 9: much of that Austrian industria, industrialists snapping up our great

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Speaker 9: you know, so of that good Middle country going into

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01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 9: pines and never returning. So yeah, so there's certainly some

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01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 9: good activity in farm sales.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant Hamish. That is all good news and we love

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Speaker 3: hearing it. Hamish Mackay filling in for Jamie on the Country.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you on the program. It is twenty

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Speaker 3: two minutes after six. We're going to go head to

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Speaker 3: after the News at six point thirty. Sam Dicky Fisher

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Speaker 3: the UK before top of the hour as well. Just

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Speaker 3: looking through the Smith and Coey's list in the auction,

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Speaker 3: there is a vintage chandelier made out of metal and

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01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: crystal taking bids starting one point fifty. That sounds pretty

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Speaker 3: good to me. Chandelier is described as extra large. Never

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Speaker 3: been a big fan of chandeliers, but if you do

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Speaker 3: want one hundred and fifty bucks from Smith and Coe's

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Speaker 3: not a bad price. Twenty two after six News Talk

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Speaker 1: your man, Yeah, I want you to cut their heads

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Speaker 1: off and sell them back on.

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Speaker 3: This is Lena Dunham's latest creation. Do you know Lena

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Speaker 3: Dunham from Girls? I watched Girls years ago, loved it

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Speaker 3: too much at school. It's a rom com series about

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Speaker 3: a woman called Jess who moves from New York to London.

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Speaker 3: Jess is looking for her mister Darcy. Instead, she comes

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Speaker 3: to real London isn't as romantic as it seems. Comedian

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Speaker 3: Meghan Stelta plays Jess. You'll know her if you've seen

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Speaker 3: Hacks on TVNZ Plus and the White lotuses Will Sharp

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Speaker 3: plays her romantic love interest Felix, a pub singer with

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Speaker 3: a fear of monogamy. Apparently, and yes, of course it's

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Speaker 3: a bit autobiographical. Dunham has said, Too Much is loosely

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Speaker 3: based off of her move to London in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 27: I love the contrasts of the city, and so to me,

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Speaker 27: it's not even glamor versus not glamor. I find all

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Speaker 27: of London glamorous, and I wanted to be able to

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Speaker 27: hopefully just show a diverse array of locations because I'm

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Speaker 27: very enamored with the city.

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Speaker 3: I love this Sadie and the vocal fryar is she

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Speaker 3: from California? She from locent I mean she spent a

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Speaker 3: lot of time in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 26: I'm getting a shaken head here apparently not California.

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Speaker 3: Okay that I love it anyway. Elena doesn't play the

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Speaker 3: main character, of course, like she did in Girls, but

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Speaker 3: she makes a few cameo appearances. All ten of the episodes,

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Speaker 3: and this is what I love about Netflix. All ten

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Speaker 3: of the episodes. Too Much drop tonight at seven pm,

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Speaker 3: so if you like one, you'll be there at all

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Speaker 3: four am. It's a bit like that, isn't it. Twenty

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Speaker 3: seven After six News Talk said b We'll get an

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Speaker 3: update on Tesla with Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds.

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Speaker 28: After News, everything from SMS to the big Corporates, The

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01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 28: Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Play's Insurance and Investments,

1538
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 28: Grow your Wealth, Protect Your Future.

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Speaker 1: News Talk SEDB, don't you win the body, I can

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Speaker 1: do this all.

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Speaker 3: We we'll be down to do the morning of the

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Speaker 3: baby bosp.

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Speaker 20: Me.

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Speaker 3: Don't you win the twenty five away from seven News Talk,

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Speaker 3: said B. Here we go again. The state of emergency

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01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: declared for Nelson Tasman region. Med Tim King says it's

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01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 3: a preemptive move like it was last time. Existing conditions

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Speaker 3: obviously in the region after the severe weather that they've had.

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Speaker 3: He says they want to make sure they get a

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Speaker 3: swift response. The front's nine am tomorrow. It should come.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it doesn't, but that's when it's expected to come. Also,

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to andde Brady before seven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: He's our UK europe correspondent. I was looking at some

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Speaker 3: numbers today. You know. Starmer had a big booboo with

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Speaker 3: the benefits in the welfare system, trying to cut costs

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Speaker 3: out of their budget and then had basically a revolt

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Speaker 3: from within from his own party members, so had to

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Speaker 3: pull back on the cuts to welfare well and compromise

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Speaker 3: and eventually got the thing through they're now going to

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Speaker 3: basically have to face tax hikes. They can't balance the

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Speaker 3: budget right. But they just came out with some interesting numbers.

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Speaker 3: This is analysis by the Center for Social Justice and

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Speaker 3: Universal Credit. They have found looked at the difference what

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Speaker 3: you get paid if you're on a sickness benefit or

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Speaker 3: a sickness welfare check versus the minimum wage over in

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Speaker 3: the UK. So this is what they have discovered. If

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Speaker 3: you are claiming an average housing benefit and personal Independence

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Speaker 3: payment for ill health, you get twenty five thousand pounds

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Speaker 3: per year. A full time worker on the national living

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Speaker 3: wage of twelve pounds twenty one an hour will earn

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Speaker 3: around twenty two thousand, five hundred after paying income tax

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Speaker 3: and national insurance. Meaning the difference between getting a sickness

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Speaker 3: benefit in the UK and getting them minimum wage. Working

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Speaker 3: and getting the minimum wage is two and a half

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Speaker 3: thousand pounds five thousand New Zealand dollars for five hundred

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Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars. So you are better off on welfare

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Speaker 3: than you are working, and that's bad, but it's the

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Speaker 3: sickness benefit. It's not like you are lazy, you are unwell,

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Speaker 3: you're not qualified you can't work, and you've got a

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Speaker 3: medical certificate to say that you can't work. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's a slightly different kettle of fish to you know,

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Speaker 3: just if you're on a job seeker benefit is what

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Speaker 3: we call it here anyway. Ander Brady is our UK

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Speaker 3: Europe correspondent. He's with us just.

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Speaker 1: Before seven, Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Right now we're going to do Sam Dicky from Fisher

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Speaker 3: Funds for an update on Tesla. Sam is with us now,

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Speaker 3: Hey Sam, Hey, Ryan, how are there going?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good? Thank you? So shares down twenty five percent this year,

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Speaker 3: the distracted CEO. How should investors be thinking about Tesla

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Speaker 3: at the moment?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I guess the first thing to think about

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01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 11: is it's traditional electric vehicle business and how did it

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Speaker 11: lose its crown to China's BYD so I guess seven

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Speaker 11: or eight years ago it used to sell two to

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Speaker 11: one to BYD electric vehicles. This year BYD will sell

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Speaker 11: about five point two million vehicles and Tessa will sell

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Speaker 11: about one point seven so more than three times as many.

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Speaker 11: And there's two reasons for that. The first reason is

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Speaker 11: just manufacturing expertise and scale. So Musk was always fanatical

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Speaker 11: about lowering the cost of an electric vehicle to produce,

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 11: because that would drive down the price you could sell

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Speaker 11: them at and that would lead to widespread adoption. But

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Speaker 11: if you even look at head to head in China,

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01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 11: so it Tess's Shanghai gigafactory versus BYD BYD is still

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Speaker 11: about twenty percent cheaper to produce per car. So that's

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Speaker 11: the first thing. The second thing is, of course, brand,

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Speaker 11: and Tesler's brand was originally sort of super exciting, synonymous

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Speaker 11: with exceptional innovation and clean energy. Everyone wanted to have

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01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 11: a Tessler and that's obviously swung sharply negatively. The brand

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01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 11: favorability is at an all time low, and that's probably

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Speaker 11: driven by Musks often inflammatory comments, alignment and misalignment with Trump,

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Speaker 11: and plus, of course, other electric vehicle brands around the

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01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 11: world are really carefully building their precious brand value, whereas

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Speaker 11: Trump seems to be sort of flying by the seat

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Speaker 11: of his pants on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is that How big of a problem is that

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Speaker 3: having a personal brand like Musks tied up with the

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Speaker 3: value of a company.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's yes, it's good if it goes well,

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Speaker 11: but it goes badly, and I think it's look, normally

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Speaker 11: any company should be bigger than one person. Musk is

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01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 11: obviously a genius. You know, there's obviously divide's opinion, but

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Speaker 11: he's definitely a genius. And I think it's also that focus. Right,

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Speaker 11: So today's e CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, the boring

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Speaker 11: company Twitter or x xai, and he's dabbling in politics.

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Speaker 11: But when you look back at this is you know,

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Speaker 11: golden run from sort of twenty seventeen to twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: one when the stock went up, you know, three thousand percent,

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01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 11: he only really had take Tesla and SpaceX, And I

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01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,799
Speaker 11: think that's quite key, that divided attention of a CEO.

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Speaker 11: Plus the fact, as you said, that he's his brand

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Speaker 11: or his name, and his brand is very synonymous with

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01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 11: Tesla's brand.

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Speaker 3: What do investors do you reckon need to believe to

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01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 3: buy or sell the company today?

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Speaker 11: Well, the simple mass is that the company's value at

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Speaker 11: a trillion dollars and you know, we think the electric

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01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 11: vehicle business is maybe worth quarter of a trillion dollars

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01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 11: or three hundred three hundred billion, so you know, just

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01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 11: to get today's share price, and you obviously want to

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01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 11: make a return on top of that, but just to

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01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 11: get today's share price, you need to believe that the

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01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 11: combination of rogotaxis, you know, humanoids, there's smaller energy business

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Speaker 11: and obviously Musk's genius to conjure up other value drivers

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Speaker 11: for Tesla worth at least three quarters of a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 11: And that's fine because they are quite well positioned. But

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Speaker 11: if you think about the fact that those companies, those

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01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 11: businesses are basically making zero earnings, you really do need

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01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 11: to take a leap of face. We've set another way.

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01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 11: The stocks trading on about one hundred and fifty times

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01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 11: priced to earnings, which is a standard valuation metric, and

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01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 11: for comparison, the US stock market itself trading on about

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01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 11: twenty times earning, so it's super expensive. And to justify

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 11: that huge valuation, you need a genius that is singularly

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01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 11: focused on your company. You need that genius to be

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01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 11: sleeping at the factory like you used to be, and

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01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 11: you need him to stop poisoning the Tesla brand with

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01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 11: his inflammatory tweets.

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Speaker 3: Do you think in terms of the car sales This

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01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 3: is not so much market question, but do you think

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01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: that you know who owns the company actually has out

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Speaker 3: a tangible result on sales.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I think in terms of masks brand, yeah, I

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01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 11: do think that's the case. You know, they're shrinking this

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01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 11: year in terms of their sales. B WAYD is continuing

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01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 11: to grow. It's partly because of this cost thing. So

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01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 11: Tesler can't get the cost to produce down enough, so

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01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 11: they can't get that widespread adoption of electric vehicles because

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01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 11: it's just too expensive. But I do think the brand,

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Speaker 11: I mean everywhere you look, you know, the net promoter

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01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 11: scores and the brand favorability of plummeted over the last year,

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Speaker 11: and it's hard to believe that's just because Tesler is

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Speaker 11: a little bit too expensive.

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Speaker 3: Sam, appreciate your analysis tonight, Sam Dickey, Fisher Funds. Time

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Speaker 3: is eighteen seventeen minutes away from seven o'clock. Coming up

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Speaker 3: next in the Brady Out of the UK Starma and

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Speaker 3: Macron getting down to business today. That is the first

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Speaker 3: we talked about this yesterday, first official welcome or state

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Speaker 3: welcome to the UK for a European leader since Brexit.

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Speaker 3: So we'll find out what they talked about. Also, their

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01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 3: junior doctors in the UK are going on strike, much

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Speaker 3: like here, going on strike over their inde Brady with

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Speaker 3: the details.

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Speaker 17: Next.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Ridge and Mair's Insurance and Investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your Future. News Talks edb.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen away from seven on News Talks edb Ryan. This

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Speaker 3: is from one of our listeners this evening. Magazines still

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Speaker 3: get read, especially by people actually running businesses. There's so

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Speaker 3: much noise online, but a good print feature still gets

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Speaker 3: notice and taken seriously if it gets to the right people.

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Speaker 3: I'd appreciate you sharing. I completely agree with that, because

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Speaker 3: this is after the news that our media is for sale.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully brands like The Listener and New Zealand Women's Weekly,

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Speaker 3: Women's Day continue. There is something about picking up a

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Speaker 3: magazin and I do this when I go to go

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Speaker 3: on holiday, go up north, put your phone away, pick

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Speaker 3: up a magazine. You immediately feel more relaxed. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's just something about it. It's just gone forteen minutes

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Speaker 3: away from seven and the Brady is our UK correspondent

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Speaker 3: with us. Good evening, Good morning, Inda, Nice to have

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Speaker 3: you on the program.

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Speaker 14: Hey Ryan, good to speak to you again.

1707
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 3: Now Starma and Machron getting down to business today and

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01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 3: it's all about the boats. Have they been able to

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01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 3: come to some sort of agreement to try and stop

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01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 3: the flow.

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Speaker 14: We'll find out very shortly. So the officials have certainly

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01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 14: been working behind the scenes, the French and the UK

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01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 14: government officials and diplomats. They will have been putting in

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Speaker 14: the hard yards while Macron and Starmer were having to

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Speaker 14: stay banquet the other night with the King. Elton John

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01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 14: was there, Mick Jagger as well. You know, the UK

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01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 14: does rasmatas as well as anyone else. So Macron has

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Speaker 14: had a wonderful few days. But today is the sharp

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Speaker 14: end of the trip. Can he stop these small bus

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Speaker 14: coming over from France? Now? It was very interesting last week.

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Speaker 14: You may have seen this footage that went viral of

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Speaker 14: French cops wading out into the water with pen knives

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Speaker 14: and just slashing a dinghy that was crammed full of

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01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 14: illegal asylum seekers who were about to embark and head

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Speaker 14: off towards England. Twenty six miles of water that stretches,

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Speaker 14: and that happened out of nowhere, and of course people

1727
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 14: here saw it and thought, well, hang on, why haven't

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01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 14: they been doing this for years? Twenty thousand people have

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Speaker 14: illegally entered the UK this way in the first six

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Speaker 14: months of the year. So if that continues at the

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01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 14: pace it's going, that's forty thousand people a year. That's

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Speaker 14: a small town every year of illegal asylum seekers. So

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Speaker 14: something has to change now. The French believe that the

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01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 14: UK make life too attractive for these people, that the

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01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 14: benefits system here is far too lucrative for them. Let's

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01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 14: see what Macron and starm are come up with. But

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01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 14: something needs to change because people in the UK are

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01:33:58,120 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 14: absolutely exasperated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've only got to visit and talk to

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01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 3: people and it's pretty in front of everyone's minds and

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01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 3: pushing reforms chances up too, hasn't it. Hey, Oh yes,

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Speaker 3: what's happening with the junior doctors going on strike? What's

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Speaker 3: that about?

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Speaker 14: Well, we thought this was all fixed last year. Labor

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01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 14: came into power exactly one year ago this week and

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01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 14: one of the first things Starmer did, and he was

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01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 14: immediately criticized for it because people said he was caving

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01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 14: into the unions. He looked at a situation he'd inherited

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01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 14: where doctors wanted more money. Junior doctors were going on

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01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 14: strike nurses wanted more money as well. It was a mess,

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01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 14: so he rattled the financial cages a bit, came up

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01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 14: with some money and gave them pay rises. Now, sure enough,

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01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 14: the junior doctors are back this week. They voted to

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01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 14: go on strike July twenty fifth day will walk out

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01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 14: and they feel that their pay has not kept track

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01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 14: of inflation and that they've actually had a pay cut.

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01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 14: So I don't think there'll be a huge amount of

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01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 14: sympathy in the UK public. Everyone's struggling here at the

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01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 14: moment financially, the majority of working people, I would say,

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01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 14: and junior doctors threatening strike action. When the NHS is

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01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 14: in the state, it's in the National Health Service, I

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01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 14: don't think there'll be an outpouring of public sympathy.

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01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 3: Sounds like they'll be quite the outpouring of money for

1764
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 3: this new stadium, Menchester United Stadium eight billion dollars and

1765
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 3: they've chosen someone to oversee all this.

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01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 14: They have saib Co Lord Cole as he now is

1767
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 14: so former Olympic gold medalist middle distance runner. He then

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01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 14: went into sports administration. He flirted with conservative politics and

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01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 14: never really made much of a dent there, but he's

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01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 14: put in the decades in sports administration. He wanted to

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01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 14: be the new boss of the IOC, but he was

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01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 14: beaten by the lady from Zimbabwe. So this is the

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01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 14: new gig he has just landed. He will be put

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01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 14: in charge of delivering Manchester United's new stadium. It's going

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01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 14: to cost eight billion ENZ dollars. It will be one

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01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 14: hundred thousand seater stadium and his challenge is working with

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01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:06,520
Speaker 14: Jim Ratcliffe, the guy who is twenty eight percent shareholder

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01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 14: and owner of Manchester United, Britain's richest self made man.

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01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 14: I've had a few dealings with Ratcliffe over the years.

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01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 14: He is a very demanding taskmaster. So let's see how

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01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 14: step Cole and him work together.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like it's going to be interesting. And to thank

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Speaker 3: you for the end of Brady a UK correspondent. It

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Speaker 3: is nine minutes away from seven Newstalk IBB.

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Speaker 3: Great to heavy company this evening. Gosh, it's been a

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Speaker 3: busy old one, hasn't it. We talked about nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 3: Most people it seems on the text machine quite happy

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Speaker 3: with nukes. I mean, not that anyone actually wants people

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01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 3: to use them. You don't want the Iran to have them.

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01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 3: You don't want rocketman firing one. But the fact that

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01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 3: that there, I think we've all concluded, with a couple

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01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 3: of exceptions, I think we've all concluded that it's actually

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01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 3: a good thing because it stops you firing at you know,

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01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 3: having wars with each other, having World War III. Knowing

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01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 3: that because even you know, the Brits, they've got the

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01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 3: Letter of Last Resort, so every British Prime minister when

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01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 3: they come into office has to sign a letter. They

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01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 3: come into the office and they bring you this thing

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01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 3: and you have to sign. You write it and you

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01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 3: sign it, and no one sees it. It's sealed, and

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01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 3: it's put into submarines that are nuclear powered but also

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01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 3: have nuclear warheads on board. If Britain is attacked by

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01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,759
Speaker 3: a nuclear warhead from another country, and let's say London

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01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 3: is wiped out, then this submarine, which is all and

1808
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 3: there is always a British submarine out there, nuclear armed

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01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 3: British submarine out there somewhere in the world in the ocean.

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01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 3: If London is wiped out and there's no control, you know,

1811
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 3: command back to London. They open their is this letter

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01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 3: in the submarine, They go into the little box, they

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01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 3: open it up and they read it and it will

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01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 3: tell them what to do, whether you attack the country

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01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 3: that's attacked the UK, or whether you just go and

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01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 3: surrender wave the white flag. Is that fascinating? So that's

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01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 3: why you don't go bombing people, because they will bomb

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Speaker 3: you back.

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Speaker 26: What a reassuring thought, Ryan. Somewhere in the world right now,

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01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 26: there's a submarine with a letter and a bunch of

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01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 26: nukes on it, and for all we know, it's in

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Speaker 26: Wellington Harbor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Well, no, I won't be here because we

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01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 3: don't like nukes here and do we.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, we got annoyed at the Chinese. That's actually no,

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01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 26: it wasn't us. We got annoyed at Chineesy submarine, was it?

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Speaker 26: It was the Aussie? So for all we know, Wellington

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01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 26: Harbour's just a big highway with these things.

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01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hey, what are we going out to tonight?

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01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 26: No more by SARChI to play us out tonight. So

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01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 26: Sachi are a dance music duo from New Zealand who've

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01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 26: been going pretty well, they've been going for a lot

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01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 26: about ten years now, I think, but still still got

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01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 26: the audience out there, still playing the festival circuit. They

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01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 26: just finished up at Ohakuniy Mardi Gras and Queenstown Mardi Gras,

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01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 26: and they've announced two shows for so I suppose it's

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01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 26: a very mini tour of New Zealander, isn't it. But

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01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 26: they're doing Auckland and they're doing Wellington. Going to be

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Speaker 26: playing San fran and Wellington on Thursday, August twenty first,

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Speaker 26: and they'll be playing Studio the Venue in Auckland on Saturday,

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Speaker 26: August the twenty third. So this is one of their

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Speaker 26: earliest songs, No.

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