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Speaker 2: Hello are you great? You said us, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Matton Tyler Full Show Podcast number one five two for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty fifth June and the Year of Our Lord

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today. Oh man, We've got

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Speaker 2: so many incredible stories at the end of people being

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Speaker 2: saved by choppers. That was really good. And in the

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Speaker 2: homeschool chat, those kids that came on slightly. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: like if you were cynical, there could have been a

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Speaker 2: bit of a no, I'm not going to say it,

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Speaker 2: say it. Wow, you know you're giving your school a review. Well,

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Speaker 2: your mum's around, but they seem very very keen on

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Speaker 2: their homeschooling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're right though. I mean, if your teacher

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Speaker 3: is standing right next to you and you're asked how

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Speaker 3: much do you like your teacher? How do you like

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Speaker 3: your school? I guess that sucks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It was smart kids.

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Speaker 2: Though, It's smart kids. And also the boy I really

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Speaker 2: loved the full in depth look into the whole beef

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Speaker 2: Wellington Mushroom Lady. It'd be really interesting to see how

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Speaker 2: that trial ends up. When the jury comes in with

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Speaker 2: a verdict. There's more and more people saying that she

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Speaker 2: might get off. Personally, I think she's pretty guilty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people said that it was

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Speaker 3: a great discussion. They had deep dive.

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Speaker 2: Have they proved it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great show. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: And give them a taste of keiwi from us.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with

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Speaker 1: the Westpact Chopper Appeal Health keeping this sound in the sky.

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Speaker 6: News Talk said, they.

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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon. Do you welcome into Wednesdays show.

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Speaker 3: And it is a big show today. It is the

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Speaker 3: westp Chopper Appeal. It's on right now. And of course

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Speaker 3: they and we need your help to keep that thump

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Speaker 3: thump noise in the sky. It is a lifeline for

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Speaker 3: so many people who find themselves in trouble.

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Speaker 5: And they are such great New Zealanders as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were lucky enough to go out and meet

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Speaker 2: a couple of them yesterday. It was yesterday or the

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Speaker 2: day before yesterday. You know, it was exciting. We had

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Speaker 2: had great chats to Vass and Callen and Emma out there,

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Speaker 2: and boy, oh boy did we punish them with questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but got a simulator that was terrifying. Even though

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Speaker 3: it was a simulator. I was I was terrified that

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Speaker 2: I was watching you ride that simulator and I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of just a very flash video game.

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Speaker 2: You could do something crazy, but you were shaking.

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Speaker 3: I was loose on the stake, wasn't I that was

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Speaker 3: shaken around? And I felt a bit sort of earsick

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Speaker 3: if that's a thing when I first started. But old

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Speaker 3: mates that have brought it down, and just before we landed,

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Speaker 3: I had to be dragged out of the seat. So sorry, mate,

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Speaker 3: I hogged the simulator. I know you're waiting for your turn, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it's not so much and it's typical

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Speaker 2: of you, Tyler, to make it about yourself, but you're

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Speaker 2: you riding around in a similation, a simulator for fun

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Speaker 2: as nothing compared to what these great people do helping

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, so to donate and today's day, go to

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Speaker 5: Z and give generously.

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Speaker 3: They are great New Zealanders, as Matt says, and we

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Speaker 3: will be playing some interviews that we did on that

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Speaker 3: be having a chat to Seb Grud. He is a

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Speaker 5: After three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great New Zealanders. So how did you donate? Again, Tyler?

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Speaker 5: Go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot.

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Speaker 2: In zed and how cool is my hat?

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, mate, I think that's up on Instagram now

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Speaker 3: you've posted a picture. It is bright red, it looks

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But go check out that beautiful hat that Matters

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Speaker 3: we get to the show today. Quite an extraordinary story

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Speaker 2: I never thought I'd live in a world where the

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Speaker 2: F bomb and it wouldn't really be a scandal. You

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Speaker 8: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so

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Speaker 5: Incredible?

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Speaker 2: He just dropped the F bomb and then walked off. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and look, Trump is a president of first absolutely a thing,

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Speaker 2: but he's not the first to bring in foul language

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Speaker 9: I do not agree with the clearly gendered and patronizing

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Speaker 2: And so that was one up on the F bomb,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's certainly up there.

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Speaker 2: Brooklden, just dropping that. Did you ever think in your

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Speaker 5: I certainly didn't.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just those to the to this, you know,

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Speaker 2: Also the Labor members of Labor just swearing all over

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Speaker 2: So in the early two thousands, would you ever imagine

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Speaker 2: But now it's fine. Anyone can just go for you

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Speaker 3: So Morgen Helen Clark trumping the f bomb or the

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Speaker 2: The question is how soon are we allowed to On

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're getting there. It's a crazy old world.

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Speaker 3: But that was for not I mean, that was incredible

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Speaker 3: today's show. As we mentioned, after three o'clock, we will

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock not quite as dramatic, but interesting nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you never know, and that's why we say donate,

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Speaker 2: because you just never know when you'll love one might

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Speaker 3: Absolutely after two o'clock. The Mushroom cook trial. This has

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Speaker 2: Hosking said, the jury is going to decide in forty

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's been proved. So we'd love your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a messive first act for this story,

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Speaker 3: but like you, then I kind of drifted off a

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Speaker 3: is expected to go out today. I'm right back in there.

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Speaker 3: But looking forward to that chat after two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Why are

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Speaker 2: and it's just sort of sick voyeurism?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that. But right now, let's have

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Speaker 3: a chat about homeschooling. Over the last fifteen years, the

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Speaker 14: Oh okay, it guys really good friend of mine. He's

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Speaker 2: So wouldn't the argument be at one point, you're going

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I can definitely get that just going back to

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Speaker 14: I know where you're coming from, and yes, we do

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Speaker 3: Sorry to jump in there, mate, but we've got it.

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Speaker 3: We've got the headlines hot on our tail. But was

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Speaker 3: your mate worried when he first undertook that homeschooling. Was

441
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Speaker 3: there some nervousness that maybe he didn't, you know, have

442
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Speaker 3: all the skills needed to teach his boy what he

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Speaker 3: needed to teach.

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Speaker 14: One hundred percent, he was just so worried. His daughter

445
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Speaker 14: had gone through His older daughter had gone through no problem,

446
00:20:05,053 --> 00:20:08,333
Speaker 14: but when it came to him next just wasn't an

447
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Speaker 14: into that fold. So he took a real innocity. Was

448
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Speaker 14: during the COVID period, so it was even you know, like,

449
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Speaker 14: you know, there's not a lot of school going on,

450
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Speaker 14: but you know, I need him to continue looving. But yes,

451
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Speaker 14: one hundred percent, he was very worried and it has

452
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Speaker 14: turned out. I mean he's just about to turn nineteen

453
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Speaker 14: and he's really really doing well, extremely well.

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Speaker 5: Darryl.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, mate, Really good to get you

456
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Speaker 3: on the show. One hundred and eighteen eighty is the

457
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Speaker 3: number to call.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea, isn't it, Because we say we

459
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Speaker 2: have to get them through the sausage factory to make

460
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Speaker 2: them good workers and good members of society as soon

461
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Speaker 2: as possible. But there's always that saying that you're going

462
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Speaker 2: to have a certain hole in your heart and you'll

463
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Speaker 2: fill it with all these different kinds of things. So potentially,

464
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Speaker 2: with the right form of homeschooling, you get your confidence

465
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Speaker 2: built up, you have a foundation of love and people

466
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Speaker 2: supporting you and finding what you're good at. So by

467
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Speaker 2: the time time you hit the real world, you haven't

468
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Speaker 2: been beaten down by it, and you come to the

469
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Speaker 2: real world and strengthened and empowered because I mean, really,

470
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Speaker 2: how long does it take to learn how to you know,

471
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Speaker 2: sit in a desk in.

472
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Speaker 5: Off Yeah, exactly.

473
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Speaker 3: There's a fair argument that you've got a better shot

474
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Speaker 3: at life if you're you're homeschooled on the right way.

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Speaker 2: It's better than being in a situation where you have

476
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Speaker 2: just been beaten down and had your you know, your

477
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Speaker 2: confidence completely destroyed from the age of five, which happens

478
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Speaker 2: to some people.

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Speaker 5: It absolutely does.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

481
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Speaker 3: Coming up after the headlines. We've got a great text

482
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Speaker 3: here from a teacher who used to work in traditional

483
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Speaker 3: schools and now since they've had kids, is homeschooling. So

484
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Speaker 3: we'll read that out very shortly. It is twenty nine

485
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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 15: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

487
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Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. Excuse me. Labour's Chris

488
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Speaker 15: Hapkins says bombing isn't the answer to ending in nuclear

489
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Speaker 15: arms race, and diplomacy is needed. In the Middle East,

490
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Speaker 15: a frail ceasefire appears to be holding between Israel and Iran.

491
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Speaker 15: Donald Trump claims US strikes this week destroyed Iran's nuclear program.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm very sorry.

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Speaker 15: Let me start that again. Donald Trump claims that US

494
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Speaker 15: strikes this week destroyed Around's nuclear program, but early intelligence

495
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Speaker 15: indicates it's only set it back by months. Health New

496
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Speaker 15: Zealand's appointed Dr Dale Bramley as its new Chief executive

497
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Speaker 15: officer from July fourteenth. Minister Judith Collins are set on

498
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Speaker 15: cutting diversity, equity and inclusion requirements in the public service

499
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Speaker 15: to focus on merit, but concede she has no evidence

500
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Speaker 15: that people have got jobs for diversity reasons. A young

501
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Speaker 15: key of found seriously injured by a lead bullet in

502
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Speaker 15: Golden Bay in February is recovering well. At the moment

503
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Speaker 15: we're two wild based animal hospital. And why do we

504
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Speaker 15: need more migrants when two hundred thousand people are on

505
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Speaker 15: the doll You can read this and more from Inside

506
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Speaker 15: Economics at in said here all premium. Now back to

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Speaker 15: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylan, we'll let you get a

509
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Speaker 3: glass of water. It is twenty five to two now.

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Speaker 2: Emma Batistitch is one of the incredible doctors working with

511
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Speaker 2: the rescue choppers. I asked her what a typical day

512
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Speaker 2: looks like for her and the crew.

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Speaker 16: Well, we get here pretty early, so round six ith

514
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Speaker 16: and have a coffee, very important. And then we come

515
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Speaker 16: and as part of a team, we check out aircraft,

516
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Speaker 16: make sure that all the equipment is present and it's

517
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Speaker 16: all working, all the batteries are charged up, and then

518
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Speaker 16: we have a morning brief where we discuss the plan

519
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Speaker 16: for the day. We discuss the weather, we discuss if

520
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Speaker 16: it's so, any weather issues, any other issues around the place,

521
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Speaker 16: any issues with a machine, and we make a plan

522
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Speaker 16: for if we get called out, what machine we're going

523
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Speaker 16: to be in, and the crew configuration for the day,

524
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Speaker 16: and then we sit around and wait for the job

525
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Speaker 16: to come in. And in the between times, of course,

526
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Speaker 16: we do training and we you know, which are our

527
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Speaker 16: paperworkers up to date?

528
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Speaker 3: And we were also curious that apart from her medical training,

529
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Speaker 3: what are the training she had to go through to

530
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Speaker 3: become a member of the rescue helicopter team.

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Speaker 16: As part of the induction process is full induction to

532
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Speaker 16: aircraft safety and managing, you know, working in really small,

533
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Speaker 16: little confined environments. And again so like in the hospital,

534
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Speaker 16: we've got amazing nurses and other people that.

535
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Speaker 5: Do a lot of stuff for us.

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Speaker 16: They don't have a nurse to help me out, so

537
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Speaker 16: have to learn how to use all the equipment and

538
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Speaker 16: so have to be familiar with everything that you're using.

539
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Speaker 16: Pretty much you can close your eyes and find stuff

540
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Speaker 16: in the packs. And because no one's going to pass

541
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Speaker 16: you something, Oh yes, please ask can somebody get me

542
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Speaker 16: my Yeah that somebody is me, So yeah, you just

543
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Speaker 16: got to really be ready to do anything.

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Speaker 3: What a phenomenal person Emma was. I loved having a

545
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Speaker 3: chat with her a little bit earlier this week, and

546
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Speaker 3: we'll plan a few more interviews today as the afternoon progresses,

547
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Speaker 3: because of course it is the Chopper Appeal day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we're having filmed with those interviews, and Tyler

549
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Speaker 2: and I would talk to the various people pilots, operations,

550
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:37,293
Speaker 2: managers and paramedics, and the cameras will go off and

551
00:25:37,373 --> 00:25:40,093
Speaker 2: we just kept punishing them with questions for half an

552
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Speaker 2: hour afterwards to we were wrestled on to the next

553
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Speaker 2: person because what they do is so great and so

554
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Speaker 2: interesting and you know, they're just fantastic New Zealanders And

555
00:25:49,853 --> 00:25:52,613
Speaker 2: as I keep saying, you never know when your loved

556
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Speaker 2: ones might need them.

557
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Speaker 5: Ye, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And just a reminder, if you want to day Nate,

559
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Speaker 3: please do because these guys are a vital lifeline for

560
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Speaker 3: so many Go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot NZ.

561
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Speaker 3: Back to the discussion we're having on home schooling. Have

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Speaker 3: you gone down the home schooling routes? The numbers of

563
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Speaker 3: kids being homeschool in New Zealand has doubled in the

564
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Speaker 3: past fifteen years. Eleven thousand kids are now homeschool They

565
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Speaker 3: are not small numbers.

566
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Speaker 2: So you think it's a good idea do you think

567
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Speaker 2: it helped kids? Do you think it hurts kids? Do

568
00:26:21,173 --> 00:26:24,133
Speaker 2: you think weird? Do you think it's awesome? Brad your thoughts?

569
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Speaker 2: You are homeschooled?

570
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Speaker 12: Were you no?

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Speaker 17: We currently homeschool our three daughters. Oh yeah, At a moment, yep.

572
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Speaker 17: We have probably similar to most people around that COVID

573
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Speaker 17: sort of time, we decided that homeschooling would work out

574
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Speaker 17: best for them.

575
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Speaker 2: How are you able to do that? Is it both

576
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Speaker 2: you and your partner that do do it? Or does

577
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Speaker 2: it shift work? How does it work?

578
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Speaker 17: Yeah, it's probably a fifty fifty's depending on the business

579
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Speaker 17: of the week.

580
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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 17: I run a small fruit and begie market business and

582
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Speaker 17: a small farm, and then my wife runs at a

583
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Speaker 17: dance school and works in school, so we sort of Yeah,

584
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Speaker 17: we balanced that week by week, I suppose. But it's

585
00:27:09,373 --> 00:27:11,373
Speaker 17: hard work, so I don't probably want to share. That's

586
00:27:11,493 --> 00:27:15,013
Speaker 17: really hard work. But you have to have if you're

587
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Speaker 17: going to do it it. There needs to be a

588
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Speaker 17: long term purpose. Our long term purpose is to equip

589
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Speaker 17: our children to be the best adults, so they can

590
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Speaker 17: be and to learn things that we feel valuable for

591
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Speaker 17: their life at their within the capabilities of their development.

592
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Speaker 17: At their stage of life, I suppose, and to ask

593
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Speaker 17: the schools about to do that constantly year by year.

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Speaker 17: We just felt it was actually just not fair on

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Speaker 17: them because of the amount of issues that are in

596
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Speaker 17: schools at the moment. So we thought, well, well, we

597
00:27:50,093 --> 00:27:51,853
Speaker 17: weren't allowing the school to do the things that we

598
00:27:51,893 --> 00:27:54,413
Speaker 17: think that we can do within our home and do

599
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Speaker 17: the best that we can. But it is definitely tough work.

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Speaker 2: So how do you deal with the government on it.

601
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Speaker 2: Do you have to apply to be homeschool your kids?

602
00:28:07,173 --> 00:28:08,453
Speaker 2: Do you have to run it correct.

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Speaker 17: To get exemption? So there's quite a vigorous form you

604
00:28:15,773 --> 00:28:17,812
Speaker 17: have to fill out and interviews and stuff like that.

605
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Speaker 17: So to get exemptions out of school. In terms of curriculum,

606
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Speaker 17: know you, So we do have a New Zealand homeschool

607
00:28:24,933 --> 00:28:29,133
Speaker 17: curriculum that we follow, but there's nothing like in terms

608
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Speaker 17: of that you're followed up by anybody or you do

609
00:28:32,373 --> 00:28:34,973
Speaker 17: have to sorry quarterly, you do have to report that

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Speaker 17: you're still home schools and stuff like that. But the

611
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Speaker 17: best the rest that is the rescue you take sort

612
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Speaker 17: of you don't have as much tests, so you don't

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Speaker 17: have I suppose standards that you're sort of trying to

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Speaker 17: live up to. But yeah, just observing. I suppose there's working.

615
00:28:49,973 --> 00:28:52,013
Speaker 17: Is it's not working. But I'll tell you what, when

616
00:28:52,013 --> 00:28:54,813
Speaker 17: people like to say stuff about homeschooling that you're taking

617
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Speaker 17: them away from the social circles, where's the social issues

618
00:28:57,853 --> 00:29:00,613
Speaker 17: come from? They come from schools.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well a lot of people would feel that

620
00:29:02,653 --> 00:29:04,573
Speaker 3: that same way as well bred. So the support that

621
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Speaker 3: you get, if anything, from the government, this was part

622
00:29:07,133 --> 00:29:08,853
Speaker 3: of the story in the New Zealand here World today

623
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Speaker 3: that the funding that you get as a homeschool parent,

624
00:29:12,173 --> 00:29:14,933
Speaker 3: if you require it is I believe seven hundred and

625
00:29:14,973 --> 00:29:15,973
Speaker 3: ninety six bucks for the year.

626
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Speaker 5: That's not much.

627
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Speaker 3: Is there any other support you can tap into or

628
00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:20,253
Speaker 3: is that kind of defeat the purpose?

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Speaker 17: Oh no, that's the piece of purpose. You save a

630
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Speaker 17: lot of money considering the kind of stationary school to

631
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Speaker 17: ask you and require you to have in these days

632
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Speaker 17: in terms of having digital device all that kind of stuff.

633
00:29:33,053 --> 00:29:38,173
Speaker 17: So and yeah, no, it's not it's not a funding thing.

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Speaker 17: It's not a income and money is not no reason

635
00:29:42,453 --> 00:29:46,573
Speaker 17: or no, yeah, no positible negative us close Brad.

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Speaker 2: I guess the big question for me because when my

637
00:29:49,453 --> 00:29:52,133
Speaker 2: kids became five. It was seen as you know, we're

638
00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:53,893
Speaker 2: actually sent them to daycare, and we took the school

639
00:29:53,933 --> 00:29:56,973
Speaker 2: and actually took the pressure of us. But how do

640
00:29:57,093 --> 00:30:00,693
Speaker 2: you deal with making them do the school work because

641
00:30:00,693 --> 00:30:03,133
Speaker 2: we sort of outsource that to teachers to discipline them

642
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Speaker 2: and get them working. That must be a huge amount

643
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Speaker 2: of energy just putting them in and you know, getting

644
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Speaker 2: them to do something, getting to do their work.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it is, it is.

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Speaker 18: It is hard.

647
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Speaker 17: It is hard. It's hard. Ass like you beat yourself

648
00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:21,053
Speaker 17: up every day thinking that as it's actually working, is

649
00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:23,893
Speaker 17: it worth it? But look, my wife and I worked

650
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Speaker 17: in school. We have worked in schools for the last

651
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Speaker 17: sort of fifteen years of our lives, and we know

652
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Speaker 17: exactly what goes on in schools. They're don't work there too,

653
00:30:31,973 --> 00:30:35,453
Speaker 17: except seriously, we know exactly how the curriculum goes we

654
00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:39,453
Speaker 17: know what they're learning. We believe that we can or

655
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Speaker 17: they provide at a teacher level kind of understand because

656
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Speaker 17: teachers are amazing, school structures are amazing. But in terms

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Speaker 17: of expecting the school to teach our children where they

658
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Speaker 17: are at and what's what's important, I suppose we thought

659
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Speaker 17: we can do that at a bit of standard. I

660
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Speaker 17: suppose with all our kids, we we probably ninety percent

661
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Speaker 17: live off our lands. Our kids to know where all

662
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Speaker 17: our food comes from. We teach them that week by week.

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Speaker 17: They follow a curriculum, they are part of a social

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Speaker 17: circle within the community five days a week, six days

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Speaker 17: a week. They mingle with lots of different community events.

666
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Speaker 17: So yeah, the only thing you lose is definitely a

667
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Speaker 17: time getting them to do the school work. But if

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Speaker 17: they don't do the school work, then they can go

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Speaker 17: outside and work, you know what I mean, still learning.

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Speaker 2: So finally, Brad, what about when it gets very specialized,

671
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Speaker 2: because you guys can't know everything to a high level.

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Speaker 2: What about as this textas says physics, chemistry, very specialized topics,

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Speaker 2: and how do they get their qualifications for university and such?

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Speaker 17: Yep, No, you can still attend most of it. You

675
00:31:49,093 --> 00:31:52,333
Speaker 17: can still get most of that inn access toss. They

676
00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:55,093
Speaker 17: can still do in the QA, they can still do.

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Speaker 17: You can still be involved in quite a lot of

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Speaker 17: specialized curriculum activities, and there's lots of there's lots of

679
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Speaker 17: teachers that contract out as well that are still they

680
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Speaker 17: can still teach you the same stuff all the what

681
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Speaker 17: their little schools isn't like secret an unavailable kind of resource,

682
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Speaker 17: you know what I mean. It's all there if you

683
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Speaker 17: want it, and you can get it if you want.

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Speaker 3: Brad, it's been fascinating chatting with you, and it seems

685
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Speaker 3: like you're working very, very hard, and as you said,

686
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Speaker 3: it's hard, yaker, and take my head off to you.

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Speaker 2: Well done.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen to two, but we're going to pick

689
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Speaker 3: this backup full lines at the moment. If you can't

690
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Speaker 3: get through, keep trying. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Do your homeschool your children or were you homeschooled yourself?

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Speaker 3: And if you decided against it, love to have a

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Speaker 3: chat with you as well.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of deciding against, I'm just deciding whether or not

695
00:32:40,293 --> 00:32:42,973
Speaker 2: to read out this quite inflammatory text that's just come through.

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Speaker 6: Doats.

697
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Speaker 2: It's coming up.

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Speaker 5: It's quarter to two.

699
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Speaker 1: A fresh take on Top bag Man Ethan Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoon with a Westpac Chopper appeal. Donate a chopper appeal

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Speaker 1: dot co dot nzet have your say on eight hundred

702
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Youth Talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be very good.

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Speaker 5: Afternoon due it is thirteen to two.

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Speaker 2: Here's a text I was' Suryan. They're going to read

706
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Speaker 2: it out. But I'm gonne, Matt, what is wrong with you?

707
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Speaker 2: Why don't you move to Gloria Vale if you love

708
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Speaker 2: homeschooling so much? I noticed your kids went to How

709
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Speaker 2: come it's good for you but not others? Irresponsible to

710
00:33:11,653 --> 00:33:17,133
Speaker 2: remote such damaging thing for kids. Parents aren't teachers, you idiot. Also,

711
00:33:17,213 --> 00:33:20,093
Speaker 2: parents do bad things to their kids. Bad things happen

712
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Speaker 2: at home, not at school. Jesus Christ, Am I going crazy? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well that's quite a text. I've got to

714
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Speaker 3: say that.

715
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Speaker 2: The answer to the question am I going crazy? Texture

716
00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:33,493
Speaker 2: is yes, you are going crazy. But the idea that

717
00:33:33,573 --> 00:33:36,733
Speaker 2: parents do bad things to their kids very very few parents,

718
00:33:38,213 --> 00:33:41,133
Speaker 2: very very few parents do bad things to their kids. Generally,

719
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Speaker 2: parents love their kids and want the best for them.

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Speaker 2: And where the homeschooling is the best thing for them

721
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Speaker 2: or not? Is you know, a decision that that parents make.

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Speaker 2: And I wasn't really full throlledly supporting it. I was

723
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Speaker 2: just saying it's interestingly interesting from an evolutionary perspective, because

724
00:33:57,973 --> 00:34:01,293
Speaker 2: schooling puts same age children together and moves them from

725
00:34:01,293 --> 00:34:03,973
Speaker 2: the support and guidance of their extended family and community.

726
00:34:04,173 --> 00:34:08,332
Speaker 2: Which may increase anxiety, said this evolutionary pediatrician doctor two.

727
00:34:08,933 --> 00:34:11,093
Speaker 2: He says children were raised in mixed age groups and

728
00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:14,293
Speaker 2: constantly surrounded by extended king for most of our evolution.

729
00:34:14,773 --> 00:34:16,973
Speaker 2: They learn from older peers and help young ones, something

730
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Speaker 2: that's lacking in modern school. Yeah, yeah, nicely said, so, yeah,

731
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Speaker 2: we'll move into glory of well thanks, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 5: Seems like okay place sometimes Rebecca, how are you?

733
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Speaker 7: Oh, hi there?

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Speaker 4: Good?

735
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Speaker 5: Then now you homeschool?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, by homeschool that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, great to chat with you. And why did

738
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Speaker 3: you decide to go down the homeschool route.

739
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Speaker 7: I think the main reason we decided we've done it

740
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Speaker 7: right from the beginning. I was chatting to another parent

741
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Speaker 7: that was doing it, and she said to me, the

742
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Speaker 7: best thing about homeschooling is that, you know, most parents

743
00:34:48,893 --> 00:34:51,853
Speaker 7: just get a really rushed maybe hour with their kids

744
00:34:51,893 --> 00:34:54,053
Speaker 7: in the morning, then they drop them at school, and

745
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Speaker 7: then they get them back in the afternoon and they're

746
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Speaker 7: tired and there you might be a bit grumpy, and

747
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Speaker 7: they just kind of get the worst part of their kids' days.

748
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Speaker 7: Whereas the amazing thing about homeschooling is you get to

749
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Speaker 7: just be part of the best part of your kids day,

750
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Speaker 7: and you just get to be a part of aus

751
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Speaker 7: amazing learning that's taking place, and it's just an incredible

752
00:35:16,253 --> 00:35:21,413
Speaker 7: privilege really to get to just enjoy your kids and yeah,

753
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:22,893
Speaker 7: and get to be a part of it all.

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Speaker 2: There must be parts, though, where it is an enjoyable though, Rebecca,

755
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Speaker 2: where the kids need to be disciplined, or as are

756
00:35:29,613 --> 00:35:31,533
Speaker 2: saying to have called it before, they don't want to

757
00:35:31,573 --> 00:35:33,333
Speaker 2: do their work that they have to do own, and

758
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Speaker 2: then you become the policeman.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean that's just a part of parenting, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: It's I just yeah, I just see that that's just

761
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Speaker 7: part of my job. Of course, there's going to be

762
00:35:44,733 --> 00:35:47,652
Speaker 7: times that you ask us to do things that they

763
00:35:47,653 --> 00:35:49,293
Speaker 7: don't really want to do, and there's a little bit

764
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Speaker 7: of kickback, but it's a very small part of it.

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Speaker 7: I think on a whole, most of it's just a

766
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Speaker 7: really positive experience for us. And I just thought, in

767
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Speaker 7: case it's interesting to you guys, I've actually got a

768
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Speaker 7: couple of my kids here. If there's anything you wanted

769
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Speaker 7: to ask them, Oh, yeah, they would be happy.

770
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Speaker 2: To chat just before we talk to your kids. Would

771
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Speaker 2: love to do that.

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Speaker 7: X Okay, you don't have to, we want to.

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Speaker 2: What a great opportunity. But just just before we go

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Speaker 2: to them, what was the main reason, what was the

775
00:36:15,013 --> 00:36:20,813
Speaker 2: main motivation for you to homeschool your kids, Rebecca.

776
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Speaker 7: So, probably one of the biggest motivations was just having

777
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Speaker 7: flexibility and now, you know, like we're not dictated by

778
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Speaker 7: the school terms or when we can have a holiday

779
00:36:30,613 --> 00:36:33,933
Speaker 7: with our kids. My husband actually peace South employed, so

780
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Speaker 7: we'd be having to do some cool things and just

781
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Speaker 7: do some special some adventures outside of you know, like

782
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Speaker 7: for holiday time. And I think that's been a real

783
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Speaker 7: bus for us as well as a family, just getting

784
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Speaker 7: in some really amazing time together as a family.

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Speaker 3: It sounds lovely, Rebecca A. You're right to hold We've

786
00:36:51,933 --> 00:36:53,533
Speaker 3: just got to play some messages and we'll come back

787
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Speaker 3: and have a chat to one of your children.

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Speaker 5: Which child are you going to put up? And what

789
00:36:57,693 --> 00:36:58,172
Speaker 5: is their name?

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Speaker 7: I've got I've got Joshua and Levi that both have

791
00:37:03,813 --> 00:37:04,413
Speaker 7: seen chat.

792
00:37:04,533 --> 00:37:06,413
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joshua and Levi. And how old are they?

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Speaker 7: Joshua able?

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Speaker 6: Perfect?

795
00:37:10,133 --> 00:37:12,413
Speaker 3: All right, Joshua and leave Levi if you're listening. We're

796
00:37:12,413 --> 00:37:14,252
Speaker 3: going to play some messages fellas and then we're gonna

797
00:37:14,253 --> 00:37:15,413
Speaker 3: come back and we've got some questions for you.

798
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:17,053
Speaker 2: We're gonna ask some hard questions.

799
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Speaker 5: There is eight to two, all right, Ben, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

801
00:37:26,093 --> 00:37:28,733
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams

802
00:37:28,773 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talk V.

803
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:34,373
Speaker 2: The WESPAC Chopper Appeal is on now and we spent

804
00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:36,893
Speaker 2: time with the rescue crew at Ardmore and Wow, it

805
00:37:36,973 --> 00:37:39,133
Speaker 2: takes a lot to keep these choppers in the air.

806
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,212
Speaker 2: You can watch the video on news Talk ZIB's website

807
00:37:42,253 --> 00:37:44,533
Speaker 2: and social channels. And how do people donate?

808
00:37:44,573 --> 00:37:47,453
Speaker 3: Tyler Go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot m Z

809
00:37:47,773 --> 00:37:50,333
Speaker 3: and donate now. They need your help right now. Back

810
00:37:50,373 --> 00:37:53,573
Speaker 3: to Rebecca and her kids, Joshua and Levi get a

811
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Speaker 3: Joshua and Levi.

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00:37:55,813 --> 00:38:01,013
Speaker 2: Hello, hello, Hello, We got both of you there. Yeah, yeah, okay,

813
00:38:01,213 --> 00:38:04,613
Speaker 2: So I'll ask you this question and Joshua you answer first.

814
00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:07,493
Speaker 2: Then Levi. When does your school time start each day?

815
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Speaker 2: For you guys?

816
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Speaker 19: Well, uh, Joshua, hat normally I start at like given.

817
00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:16,413
Speaker 2: Right after breakfast, seven am.

818
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Speaker 19: Yeah, we're normally up at six thirty.

819
00:38:18,933 --> 00:38:19,253
Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 19: And then it takes about four hours, so we've done

821
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Speaker 19: a like eleven or twelve.

822
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:27,493
Speaker 2: Wow, And are you always happy to get stuck in

823
00:38:27,533 --> 00:38:27,973
Speaker 2: at seven?

824
00:38:28,893 --> 00:38:30,333
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're always happy.

825
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:31,413
Speaker 2: You love it.

826
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Speaker 19: You like having the rest of It's nice just having

827
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Speaker 19: the rest of the day, like free to do hobbies

828
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Speaker 19: and play outside and stuff.

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Speaker 5: And what do you do for the rest of the day.

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00:38:40,453 --> 00:38:43,333
Speaker 7: Uh, we go up at.

831
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Speaker 19: The bush behind our house, play basketball, do skateboarding. We

832
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:49,493
Speaker 19: also like making like videos and stuff.

833
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, now, LEVI are you happy at home or

834
00:38:53,293 --> 00:38:55,253
Speaker 2: does part of you wish you were at school with

835
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Speaker 2: all the other kids.

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Speaker 19: I think it's cooler doing sclat because you sort of

837
00:39:02,093 --> 00:39:04,813
Speaker 19: just get it done ways fast that you're sort of

838
00:39:04,933 --> 00:39:07,853
Speaker 19: just learning all this stuff that you know that the

839
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Speaker 19: kids are doing that score.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you sound like very smart boys and very quick guys.

841
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Speaker 5: Joshua. What's your favorite subject subject for me?

842
00:39:18,453 --> 00:39:18,853
Speaker 19: Studies?

843
00:39:19,093 --> 00:39:20,373
Speaker 5: Social studies? Love it.

844
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Speaker 3: You guys are very very clever boys and fantastic to

845
00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:25,413
Speaker 3: chat with you. Thank you very much and to mum

846
00:39:25,453 --> 00:39:27,773
Speaker 3: Rebecca as well, thank you very much for giving us

847
00:39:27,813 --> 00:39:29,293
Speaker 3: a cool news sport and weather on its way.

848
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Speaker 6: Thanks talking with you all afternoon.

849
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with the Westpact Chopper Appeal.

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Speaker 6: No greater sounds when you need a news talks.

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Speaker 5: Evy Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is an important day today the Westpac Chopper

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Speaker 3: Appeal it is on now. This is an incredible organization.

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Speaker 3: To donate, please go to chop Chopper Appeal a dot

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Speaker 3: co dot nz. That website again Chopper Appeal dot co

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Speaker 3: dot nz to give. They need our donations and they

857
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Speaker 3: do incredible work in the in New Zealand across New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: When you get into trouble, we will be chatting to

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Speaker 3: some more people in that organization.

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Speaker 5: Is the afternoon progresses.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime, let's have a chat about the

862
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Speaker 3: trial that has captivated the whole world. This is the

863
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Speaker 3: Mushroom cook trial, the trial of Aaron Patterson. She's been

864
00:40:17,293 --> 00:40:21,053
Speaker 3: accused of serving a meal lace with death mushrooms that

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Speaker 3: resulted in three deaths and one person who was severely

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Speaker 3: ill but managed to survive. So the jury is due

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Speaker 3: to go out very shortly.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say that I haven't been across this

869
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Speaker 2: in the same way that a lot of people have

870
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Speaker 2: been across this. It's huge. The podcasts are number one

871
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Speaker 2: and all the podcast charts. People are talking about it everywhew.

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00:40:39,613 --> 00:40:41,493
Speaker 2: I just as soon as I heard the story, I

873
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Speaker 2: decided she was guilty and moved on. Yeah. But there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of developments and what really piqued my interest

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Speaker 2: this morning I was listening to the My Costing Breakfast

876
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Speaker 2: and he let's listen. Let's listen to talking to Steve Price.

877
00:40:55,173 --> 00:40:59,733
Speaker 2: Of course, Steve Price being the Australian broadcaster and opinion

878
00:40:59,733 --> 00:41:02,172
Speaker 2: writer and television commentator.

879
00:41:02,493 --> 00:41:05,172
Speaker 12: If you remember, I formed my opinion on Mushroom Lady

880
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:07,613
Speaker 12: fairly early on due to what seemed to be to

881
00:41:07,653 --> 00:41:11,653
Speaker 12: me overwriting evidence that she might be a bit dodgy.

882
00:41:11,933 --> 00:41:15,853
Speaker 12: I reckon, if I'm thinking forty five minutes tops, I mean,

883
00:41:15,893 --> 00:41:18,413
Speaker 12: give them time to go and sit down, maybe have

884
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:19,973
Speaker 12: a cup of tea if it's late in the day,

885
00:41:20,053 --> 00:41:21,613
Speaker 12: have one more night in the hotel. Do they go

886
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:22,573
Speaker 12: home or stay in a hotel?

887
00:41:22,573 --> 00:41:25,373
Speaker 14: Do you know they're in more world, so they'd stay

888
00:41:25,373 --> 00:41:25,933
Speaker 14: in a hotel.

889
00:41:26,093 --> 00:41:29,853
Speaker 4: I think she might get off what based on what

890
00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:33,893
Speaker 4: the fact that she I guess you need to be

891
00:41:33,933 --> 00:41:38,333
Speaker 4: a little careful, the fact that she probably is a

892
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:43,333
Speaker 4: little unhinged, right, but may have just made a mistake

893
00:41:43,373 --> 00:41:45,973
Speaker 4: with the mushrooms. How do you as a jurist there

894
00:41:45,973 --> 00:41:49,653
Speaker 4: and go, well, she deliberately went and got death cap mushrooms, well.

895
00:41:49,493 --> 00:41:52,053
Speaker 12: Because she went out foraging for them and then put

896
00:41:52,093 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 12: them in a dehumidifier, which she said she didn't have.

897
00:41:55,773 --> 00:41:58,773
Speaker 4: She went out foraging from mushrooms.

898
00:41:58,413 --> 00:41:59,573
Speaker 12: So she got the wrong mushrooms.

899
00:41:59,773 --> 00:42:00,812
Speaker 2: She didn't.

900
00:42:01,573 --> 00:42:03,853
Speaker 4: You may be absolutely correct, as you normally are, but

901
00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:05,493
Speaker 4: we'll find out all sooner.

902
00:42:06,213 --> 00:42:09,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, much like my costing, that peaked my interest there

903
00:42:09,173 --> 00:42:11,172
Speaker 2: because I thought it was a done deal. And then

904
00:42:11,173 --> 00:42:12,893
Speaker 2: you've got a guy on the ground. You've got an

905
00:42:12,893 --> 00:42:18,653
Speaker 2: Australian radio and television broadcaster and legendary opinion columnist Steve

906
00:42:18,773 --> 00:42:22,613
Speaker 2: Price going. I think she might get off because in

907
00:42:22,653 --> 00:42:26,573
Speaker 2: these court cases it's always you may think that they

908
00:42:26,813 --> 00:42:28,693
Speaker 2: one hundred percent did it, and they may well have

909
00:42:28,693 --> 00:42:31,853
Speaker 2: done it, but you have to prove that she made

910
00:42:31,853 --> 00:42:38,013
Speaker 2: a beef Wellington with poison mushrooms on purpose. You've got

911
00:42:38,013 --> 00:42:40,533
Speaker 2: to prove that beyond reasonable doubt you do, and that

912
00:42:40,293 --> 00:42:43,533
Speaker 2: is that is hard to do. There's all kinds of

913
00:42:43,533 --> 00:42:48,413
Speaker 2: evidence floating around and you know and to and for

914
00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:51,652
Speaker 2: and against, but have they done enough to approve it.

915
00:42:52,453 --> 00:42:54,973
Speaker 2: And have we just been because we just hear the media, right,

916
00:42:55,053 --> 00:42:57,933
Speaker 2: I haven't listened to hundreds of podcasts like my partner

917
00:42:57,973 --> 00:43:03,253
Speaker 2: has and everyone I talked to. But we just assumed

918
00:43:03,253 --> 00:43:06,933
Speaker 2: that she was s guilty from the start, and that's

919
00:43:07,173 --> 00:43:09,613
Speaker 2: maybe the way the media will pushing it. Yeah, I

920
00:43:09,653 --> 00:43:11,893
Speaker 2: mean because it's a more interesting story for them. Isn't

921
00:43:11,893 --> 00:43:14,292
Speaker 2: that the Beef Wellington mushroom killer.

922
00:43:14,373 --> 00:43:16,613
Speaker 3: It's got at all for a captivating court case. But

923
00:43:16,653 --> 00:43:19,493
Speaker 3: you're quite right. To prove intent is incredibly difficult if

924
00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:21,613
Speaker 3: we look at the evidence, and both of us went

925
00:43:21,613 --> 00:43:23,973
Speaker 3: for a deep dive this morning to get on top

926
00:43:24,013 --> 00:43:27,213
Speaker 3: of this very lengthy trial and what has been presented.

927
00:43:26,893 --> 00:43:29,693
Speaker 2: Up on the bandwagon just before the verdict.

928
00:43:29,813 --> 00:43:31,933
Speaker 5: Well, it's gone on for eight weeks. That's an incredibly

929
00:43:31,973 --> 00:43:32,453
Speaker 5: long trial.

930
00:43:32,453 --> 00:43:35,853
Speaker 3: But some of the prosecution's argument in terms of the evidence,

931
00:43:35,893 --> 00:43:38,692
Speaker 3: So the motive apparently was a strained relationship with her

932
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:41,293
Speaker 3: in laws and a strange husbands. The evidence of intent

933
00:43:41,373 --> 00:43:44,733
Speaker 3: apparently is internet searchers related to death camp mushrooms, purchase

934
00:43:44,773 --> 00:43:47,292
Speaker 3: of a food dehydrator that Mike talked about shortly before

935
00:43:47,293 --> 00:43:49,213
Speaker 3: the incident. Later she tried to get rid of it,

936
00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:52,773
Speaker 3: discrepancies in her account of sourcing mushrooms from an Asian

937
00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:57,133
Speaker 3: grosser allegs, fabrication of illness symptoms using a different colored

938
00:43:57,133 --> 00:43:59,413
Speaker 3: plate that was big news when that was part of

939
00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:02,973
Speaker 3: the earlier part of this trial. And a remote wiping

940
00:44:03,013 --> 00:44:05,613
Speaker 3: of a mobile phone after police seizure. So all of

941
00:44:05,653 --> 00:44:10,733
Speaker 3: those elements of evidence. When you look at intent, that

942
00:44:10,933 --> 00:44:13,493
Speaker 3: is the part that's very difficult to prove, isn't it

943
00:44:13,613 --> 00:44:17,013
Speaker 3: That did she have the intent to poison, deliberately poison

944
00:44:17,333 --> 00:44:18,373
Speaker 3: these family members?

945
00:44:18,933 --> 00:44:21,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got everything. This hasn't and I can't believe

946
00:44:21,053 --> 00:44:22,933
Speaker 2: I'm only jumping on it now right at the end

947
00:44:23,773 --> 00:44:26,212
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen eighty. If you've been involved all along,

948
00:44:26,253 --> 00:44:28,493
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear your opinions on it, your speculations

949
00:44:28,493 --> 00:44:30,053
Speaker 2: on it. We're in the interesting position of being in

950
00:44:30,053 --> 00:44:32,853
Speaker 2: New Zealand commentating on Australian case, which is very different

951
00:44:32,853 --> 00:44:35,333
Speaker 2: from the position we're normally into. The cinemat of freedom

952
00:44:35,693 --> 00:44:38,973
Speaker 2: in there, but it's almost like an Agatha Christie move

953
00:44:39,693 --> 00:44:42,772
Speaker 2: or a Midsummer murders type situation. And I know people

954
00:44:42,813 --> 00:44:46,293
Speaker 2: actually died, but there's something about it there's the in

955
00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:50,893
Speaker 2: laws around a table. There's the picking of the mushrooms,

956
00:44:51,413 --> 00:44:55,773
Speaker 2: there's the beef Wellington, there's the serving of it. It's

957
00:44:55,813 --> 00:45:01,813
Speaker 2: a mother that's accused of killing family members and problems

958
00:45:01,813 --> 00:45:02,533
Speaker 2: with the in laws.

959
00:45:02,773 --> 00:45:04,493
Speaker 5: Something Shakespearean about it, isn't there.

960
00:45:04,773 --> 00:45:08,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something Midsummer murders, there's something quite average. What

961
00:45:08,973 --> 00:45:12,613
Speaker 2: do they call them, cozy cozy killer? I think that's

962
00:45:12,613 --> 00:45:14,973
Speaker 2: what they call them, The cozy killers. Sort of shows

963
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:17,292
Speaker 2: you know, your broken wood mysteries and stuff about it.

964
00:45:17,493 --> 00:45:19,733
Speaker 3: And the fact that clearly, as Mike said, she's a

965
00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:21,893
Speaker 3: little bit strange, and I think Steve said that as well,

966
00:45:21,933 --> 00:45:25,093
Speaker 3: but she looks like on all accounts originally like a

967
00:45:25,173 --> 00:45:28,053
Speaker 3: somewhat normal, gentle person. So that plays and do it

968
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:30,013
Speaker 3: as well. But love to hear your thoughts. What way

969
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:31,893
Speaker 3: do you think this is gonna go? We can talk

970
00:45:31,933 --> 00:45:34,173
Speaker 3: about that because we're in New Zealand. And why have

971
00:45:34,253 --> 00:45:36,733
Speaker 3: you been so captivated by this particular trial?

972
00:45:36,813 --> 00:45:39,813
Speaker 2: Did you, as this Texas suggest, forget the ex husband's

973
00:45:39,853 --> 00:45:41,853
Speaker 2: testimony of previous poisonings.

974
00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:44,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a big, big part of the

975
00:45:44,453 --> 00:45:46,613
Speaker 3: evidence there when the ex husband took the stand.

976
00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:51,373
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely one hundred percent guilty. She searched, and she

977
00:45:51,453 --> 00:45:54,533
Speaker 2: researched death cat mushrooms online. Yeah, I mean that's damning.

978
00:45:54,733 --> 00:45:56,772
Speaker 5: That is very damnaged. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

979
00:45:56,853 --> 00:45:58,172
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call.

980
00:45:58,333 --> 00:45:59,773
Speaker 3: Coming up, we are going to have a chat with

981
00:45:59,853 --> 00:46:04,053
Speaker 3: six P Perth Live presenter Oliver Peterson to get his thoughts.

982
00:46:04,093 --> 00:46:06,453
Speaker 3: He's on the ground, he's been following the story all

983
00:46:06,533 --> 00:46:08,133
Speaker 3: the way through. So we'll have a chat to Oliver

984
00:46:08,173 --> 00:46:10,173
Speaker 3: very shortly and then take your thoughts and calls on

985
00:46:10,213 --> 00:46:13,653
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is thirteen past two.

986
00:46:14,133 --> 00:46:18,693
Speaker 1: Wo your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

987
00:46:18,773 --> 00:46:22,893
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

988
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:25,652
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989
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990
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991
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992
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Speaker 3: and eighty nine missions that twenty five people a day.

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995
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996
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Speaker 3: dot co dot nz and we'll be discussing that a

997
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:49,973
Speaker 3: bit more as the afternoon progresses. But in the meantime

998
00:46:50,213 --> 00:46:53,213
Speaker 3: we are joined by six pr pers Live presenter Oliver

999
00:46:53,253 --> 00:46:56,293
Speaker 3: Peterson as the jury gets ready to deliberate in the

1000
00:46:56,413 --> 00:47:00,373
Speaker 3: captive eighteen Mushroom Cook trial. Oliver, very good afternoon to you.

1001
00:47:01,093 --> 00:47:02,373
Speaker 20: Maddie Tyler, good afternoon.

1002
00:47:03,013 --> 00:47:03,373
Speaker 4: Now.

1003
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:06,692
Speaker 2: I'm strangely just jumping on board this right now, right

1004
00:47:06,733 --> 00:47:09,533
Speaker 2: at the end, I feel about it because it sounds

1005
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:11,973
Speaker 2: like the most interesting story of all time. I just

1006
00:47:12,453 --> 00:47:15,652
Speaker 2: right at the start thought she was guilty and moved on.

1007
00:47:15,973 --> 00:47:19,093
Speaker 2: So can you remind our listeners how this all begun began?

1008
00:47:19,213 --> 00:47:22,013
Speaker 2: What what exactly happened at that fatal lunch in July

1009
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:22,893
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

1010
00:47:23,653 --> 00:47:26,133
Speaker 21: Yeah, and would you believe we're now in week nine

1011
00:47:26,173 --> 00:47:26,813
Speaker 21: of this trial.

1012
00:47:26,853 --> 00:47:28,013
Speaker 5: It seems like it has been.

1013
00:47:27,893 --> 00:47:32,013
Speaker 21: Going on for quite some time. So look, the timeline

1014
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:33,973
Speaker 21: of events of this is very interesting. As you said,

1015
00:47:34,013 --> 00:47:36,333
Speaker 21: this lunch is hell. But you go back to February

1016
00:47:36,373 --> 00:47:41,053
Speaker 21: of twenty twenty three and Aaron Patterson is accused of

1017
00:47:41,133 --> 00:47:44,292
Speaker 21: starting to use two mobile phones, phone aphone B using

1018
00:47:44,293 --> 00:47:47,652
Speaker 21: a simcard with different phone numbers. Now, she said in

1019
00:47:47,733 --> 00:47:50,973
Speaker 21: March she tested negative for cervical cancer. In April, she

1020
00:47:51,013 --> 00:47:54,293
Speaker 21: started looking on a website for tracking plants and fungi,

1021
00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:58,213
Speaker 21: finding some deathcat mushrooms and posts about them online before

1022
00:47:58,213 --> 00:47:59,133
Speaker 21: removing as many of.

1023
00:47:59,053 --> 00:48:00,253
Speaker 20: Those posters as possible.

1024
00:48:00,613 --> 00:48:03,772
Speaker 21: Later that month, the prosecution found her mobile phone data

1025
00:48:03,813 --> 00:48:07,493
Speaker 21: suggesting she travels before returning to where she lives, and

1026
00:48:07,533 --> 00:48:11,573
Speaker 21: she purchases a Sunbeam Food Lab electronic dehydrator from a

1027
00:48:11,973 --> 00:48:15,853
Speaker 21: particular shop. She starts posting about dehydrating mushrooms in a

1028
00:48:15,853 --> 00:48:19,413
Speaker 21: true crime Facebook group, and then another I Naturalist user

1029
00:48:19,413 --> 00:48:21,933
Speaker 21: post a photo the exact location of death cap mushrooms

1030
00:48:22,173 --> 00:48:25,773
Speaker 21: growing in her local area. So, look, there's just some

1031
00:48:25,853 --> 00:48:28,333
Speaker 21: of the evidence at the moment that's pointing towards what

1032
00:48:28,453 --> 00:48:30,213
Speaker 21: we might all think that verdict's going to be, as

1033
00:48:30,213 --> 00:48:32,213
Speaker 21: you said before, guilty, but we don't know that yet.

1034
00:48:32,413 --> 00:48:34,013
Speaker 20: But it is, you know, it.

1035
00:48:34,013 --> 00:48:37,133
Speaker 21: Is interesting because she's obviously facing this murder trial.

1036
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:39,253
Speaker 20: She says she is not guilty, but you.

1037
00:48:39,253 --> 00:48:42,013
Speaker 21: Will recall her parents in Lord Donald and Gale Patterson,

1038
00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:45,053
Speaker 21: along with relative Dd and Heather Wilkinson, became violently ill

1039
00:48:45,453 --> 00:48:47,973
Speaker 21: due to that meal of beef Wellington and the death

1040
00:48:48,133 --> 00:48:51,933
Speaker 21: cap mushrooms. Donald, Gail and Heather died from their illness

1041
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:52,413
Speaker 21: as well.

1042
00:48:52,733 --> 00:48:54,213
Speaker 20: Ian Wilkinson survived.

1043
00:48:54,653 --> 00:48:57,652
Speaker 2: I guess motivation comes into this what it always does

1044
00:48:57,693 --> 00:49:00,373
Speaker 2: in these situations. What was the nature of Aaron Patterson's

1045
00:49:00,413 --> 00:49:04,333
Speaker 2: relationship with her former and laws and estranged husband leading

1046
00:49:04,413 --> 00:49:05,812
Speaker 2: up to this lunch in July.

1047
00:49:06,733 --> 00:49:09,613
Speaker 21: Well, it's starting to paint that pitch here of basically

1048
00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:13,373
Speaker 21: erin leading two different lives. Did she actually ever actually

1049
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:17,533
Speaker 21: have cancer or not? And is she actually somebody who

1050
00:49:17,613 --> 00:49:21,373
Speaker 21: was obviously trying to basically eliminate those relatives of hers

1051
00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:22,493
Speaker 21: and murder them.

1052
00:49:22,533 --> 00:49:23,813
Speaker 20: And that's what she's been accused of.

1053
00:49:23,933 --> 00:49:27,692
Speaker 21: Now she's been very, very sympathetic in the stand and

1054
00:49:27,733 --> 00:49:31,453
Speaker 21: that's why this trial has obviously lasted now nine weeks.

1055
00:49:31,493 --> 00:49:34,573
Speaker 21: They've gone through what she searched on her computer, which

1056
00:49:34,613 --> 00:49:37,252
Speaker 21: websites she was looking at, what her Facebook posts were,

1057
00:49:37,293 --> 00:49:39,453
Speaker 21: the messages that she has been sending, why she needed

1058
00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:42,213
Speaker 21: to buy that dehydrate, of the actual lunch that she

1059
00:49:42,253 --> 00:49:45,933
Speaker 21: wanted to cook, and the plates that she served to

1060
00:49:46,173 --> 00:49:48,853
Speaker 21: her relatives. Because that's probably one of the more interesting

1061
00:49:49,493 --> 00:49:53,493
Speaker 21: aspects of this trial is the court heard that before

1062
00:49:53,933 --> 00:49:57,613
Speaker 21: the death of Heather Wilkinson, Miss Patterson ate from a

1063
00:49:57,613 --> 00:50:00,533
Speaker 21: different colored plate than the rest of her guests. So

1064
00:50:01,173 --> 00:50:03,493
Speaker 21: everybody was given let's say, a blue plate as an example,

1065
00:50:03,493 --> 00:50:05,733
Speaker 21: but Aaron Patterson herself had a yellow plate, which is

1066
00:50:05,933 --> 00:50:06,773
Speaker 21: rather odd, isn't it.

1067
00:50:07,613 --> 00:50:09,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, But for want of a bit of a world word,

1068
00:50:09,973 --> 00:50:13,212
Speaker 2: what was her beef with the people that she served

1069
00:50:13,253 --> 00:50:14,013
Speaker 2: the beef? Wellington?

1070
00:50:14,413 --> 00:50:15,573
Speaker 6: I like that.

1071
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:16,493
Speaker 20: That's very good, Maddie.

1072
00:50:17,013 --> 00:50:21,252
Speaker 21: Her beef with with her relatives is still I guess

1073
00:50:21,293 --> 00:50:23,813
Speaker 21: hasn't really been exploring the case down a great detail

1074
00:50:23,853 --> 00:50:26,333
Speaker 21: other than as you said there it's in a strange

1075
00:50:26,373 --> 00:50:30,933
Speaker 21: relationship now with her former you know, in laws, and

1076
00:50:32,373 --> 00:50:35,213
Speaker 21: to see here that it's her parents in law and

1077
00:50:35,533 --> 00:50:39,213
Speaker 21: their relatives as well becoming violently ill. Look, she claims

1078
00:50:39,213 --> 00:50:41,093
Speaker 21: with the plates for as an example, that she only

1079
00:50:41,133 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 21: had a few white plates and a few black plates.

1080
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:44,893
Speaker 21: She just didn't have enough, and that one was red

1081
00:50:44,933 --> 00:50:46,973
Speaker 21: on top and black under and that's just she just

1082
00:50:47,013 --> 00:50:51,053
Speaker 21: didn't have enough plates. I mean, this story has captivated

1083
00:50:51,093 --> 00:50:53,573
Speaker 21: everybody here in Australia for nine weeks, and going back

1084
00:50:53,613 --> 00:50:55,053
Speaker 21: to your original comments, I think we all thought it

1085
00:50:55,093 --> 00:50:57,453
Speaker 21: might have been lasting maybe nine days, not nine weeks.

1086
00:50:57,573 --> 00:51:00,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, the phone situation only fascinates me so there were

1087
00:51:00,533 --> 00:51:03,373
Speaker 3: two phones, allegedly phone A and Phone B. The phone

1088
00:51:03,413 --> 00:51:07,653
Speaker 3: B was white three different occasions, and in the second

1089
00:51:07,693 --> 00:51:10,652
Speaker 3: occasion she see she panicked during a police search and

1090
00:51:10,653 --> 00:51:14,293
Speaker 3: wiped it as it contained mushroom and dehydrate of photos

1091
00:51:14,293 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 3: that she didn't want them to see. But there's phone eight.

1092
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Speaker 3: It's never been found, No, it hasn't. They've conducted a

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00:51:19,933 --> 00:51:22,173
Speaker 3: search Warren on her home. They took that first mobile

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Speaker 3: phone as you say. There she said she had a factory.

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Speaker 21: Resent on the phone during the police search because she,

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Speaker 21: as you said, she contained those photos of mushrooms and dehydrators.

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00:51:30,373 --> 00:51:31,853
Speaker 20: She thought it would make her look guilty.

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00:51:32,693 --> 00:51:34,973
Speaker 21: That second phone has never been recovered, as you say,

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00:51:34,973 --> 00:51:38,053
Speaker 21: by police, and the messages and the communication between her

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00:51:38,093 --> 00:51:41,293
Speaker 21: and her australianed husband, both via SMS and signal have

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00:51:41,373 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 21: been obviously tendered as evidence. For example, Simon said, I

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00:51:45,093 --> 00:51:47,093
Speaker 21: feel too uncomfortable about coming to the lunch with you

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00:51:47,213 --> 00:51:49,053
Speaker 21: Mum and dad, Heather and Ian tomorrow, but I'm happy

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Speaker 21: to talk about your health and implications of at at

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00:51:51,813 --> 00:51:52,293
Speaker 21: another time.

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Speaker 20: If you'd like to discuss on the phone.

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Speaker 14: Let me know.

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Speaker 21: And she said, look, it's disappointing I've spent many hours

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00:51:56,453 --> 00:51:58,693
Speaker 21: this week preparing lunch for tomorrow. It's been exhausting in

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00:51:58,773 --> 00:52:01,653
Speaker 21: light of the issues I'm facing. Spent a small fortune

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00:52:01,693 --> 00:52:03,613
Speaker 21: on beef. I Philip to make beef Wellington because I

1112
00:52:03,613 --> 00:52:05,893
Speaker 21: wanted to be a special meal. I might not be

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Speaker 21: able to host to lunch like this again for some time.

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00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:10,053
Speaker 21: It's important. All there, I hope you change your mind.

1115
00:52:10,093 --> 00:52:11,693
Speaker 21: Your parents and Ian are coming at twelve thirty. I

1116
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:13,573
Speaker 21: hope to see you there. So she wanted her husband

1117
00:52:13,653 --> 00:52:17,212
Speaker 21: there because she conceded that a message referred to having

1118
00:52:17,253 --> 00:52:21,293
Speaker 21: medical issues, but on signal regarding some childcare arrangements, some

1119
00:52:21,333 --> 00:52:24,413
Speaker 21: financial matters, and logistics around live streaming from that local

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00:52:24,493 --> 00:52:26,692
Speaker 21: church for a focus for much of the first few

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00:52:26,733 --> 00:52:29,533
Speaker 21: days of the trial. So yeah, look, this has got

1122
00:52:29,533 --> 00:52:32,813
Speaker 21: so many layers. This case has been absolutely fascinating, and

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Speaker 21: we are waiting to hear what the jury deliberates with

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00:52:36,693 --> 00:52:37,373
Speaker 21: and comes back.

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Speaker 20: The judge has told all the jury.

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00:52:39,933 --> 00:52:43,533
Speaker 21: Lay yesterday that they cannot let sympathy cloud their judgment

1127
00:52:43,533 --> 00:52:46,173
Speaker 21: when they're liberating verdicts, because there's so much scrutiny on

1128
00:52:46,173 --> 00:52:49,053
Speaker 21: this case at the moment, so much interest right across

1129
00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:51,773
Speaker 21: Australia and New Zealand and the world that they just

1130
00:52:51,813 --> 00:52:53,813
Speaker 21: have to stick to those facts and obviously come up

1131
00:52:53,853 --> 00:52:55,453
Speaker 21: with a guilty or not guilty verdict.

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00:52:55,933 --> 00:52:57,893
Speaker 2: Well, she was right, it was a very special meal.

1133
00:52:57,973 --> 00:53:00,973
Speaker 2: She wasn't lying about that. But how has the defense argued,

1134
00:53:01,013 --> 00:53:04,493
Speaker 2: because you hear all this, you hear all this evidence,

1135
00:53:04,853 --> 00:53:07,493
Speaker 2: and I'm listening to that, I'm just not in going, yeah,

1136
00:53:07,533 --> 00:53:10,533
Speaker 2: she did it. But how has the How's the defense

1137
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:14,973
Speaker 2: argued that this was a tragic accident instead of a murder.

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00:53:15,773 --> 00:53:18,373
Speaker 21: Yeah, Well, they're pointing to the fact that she was

1139
00:53:18,613 --> 00:53:22,013
Speaker 21: sick and she was looking at alternative therapies here, and

1140
00:53:22,053 --> 00:53:26,253
Speaker 21: that the mushrooms provided her with the potential remedy to

1141
00:53:27,093 --> 00:53:29,933
Speaker 21: what she was suffering, and that she only had good intentions.

1142
00:53:29,933 --> 00:53:31,853
Speaker 20: That's why she had the hydrator. She was just trying

1143
00:53:31,853 --> 00:53:32,853
Speaker 20: to cook this lovely meal.

1144
00:53:32,973 --> 00:53:36,652
Speaker 21: She was unaware that that the deaf cat mushrooms may

1145
00:53:36,773 --> 00:53:38,453
Speaker 21: have actually killed the people who were.

1146
00:53:38,333 --> 00:53:38,893
Speaker 20: Going to eat it.

1147
00:53:39,413 --> 00:53:43,613
Speaker 21: So look, I don't know, we're all following it from afar,

1148
00:53:43,693 --> 00:53:46,172
Speaker 21: aren't we, But it looks pretty straight up and down

1149
00:53:46,213 --> 00:53:46,373
Speaker 21: to me.

1150
00:53:49,933 --> 00:53:52,652
Speaker 2: Now you've said you know that this case is as well,

1151
00:53:52,653 --> 00:53:55,613
Speaker 2: it's huge internationally. I mean, we're international and we're zoning

1152
00:53:55,653 --> 00:53:59,652
Speaker 2: it on it. But how's the Australian public reacted to

1153
00:53:59,693 --> 00:54:06,053
Speaker 2: the case. Has opinion been sympathetic, skeptical, divided or she's guilty?

1154
00:54:06,853 --> 00:54:08,733
Speaker 5: Well, I think they'll go We'll all go with the ladder.

1155
00:54:08,933 --> 00:54:10,853
Speaker 21: I don't think that there's too many people who think that,

1156
00:54:11,773 --> 00:54:16,573
Speaker 21: you know, they're particularly sympathetic towards what's happened, because there's

1157
00:54:16,613 --> 00:54:20,493
Speaker 21: been a lot of inconsistent statements that have been raised

1158
00:54:20,493 --> 00:54:24,493
Speaker 21: by the witnesses. The defense had asked, for example, Justice

1159
00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:28,933
Speaker 21: Bale to draw some particular attention to five witnesses while

1160
00:54:30,253 --> 00:54:33,373
Speaker 21: the evidence that was put forward by miss Patterson contradicts that.

1161
00:54:33,493 --> 00:54:37,413
Speaker 21: So Simon Patterson, for example, the Austrange Strange husband, pointed

1162
00:54:37,413 --> 00:54:39,293
Speaker 21: the jury to a series of questions and answers around

1163
00:54:39,293 --> 00:54:42,133
Speaker 21: two topics, whether he agreed his friendship was strong up

1164
00:54:42,213 --> 00:54:44,133
Speaker 21: until the Semmer twenty two, and around his use of

1165
00:54:44,133 --> 00:54:48,133
Speaker 21: the words serious and important when giving evidence of Aaron Patterson,

1166
00:54:48,173 --> 00:54:51,173
Speaker 21: who allegedly invited him to the lunch. So there's a

1167
00:54:51,333 --> 00:54:53,853
Speaker 21: tendency here to pick and eat while mushrooms.

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00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:55,453
Speaker 20: That's what the prosecution wanted to highlight.

1169
00:54:55,573 --> 00:54:58,213
Speaker 21: Her children were invited to for free to attend the lunch,

1170
00:54:58,293 --> 00:55:00,772
Speaker 21: the mushrooms that went into the beef, Wellington's how much

1171
00:55:00,813 --> 00:55:02,013
Speaker 21: he ate of it herself?

1172
00:55:02,373 --> 00:55:03,453
Speaker 20: What about Gail Pattison?

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00:55:03,453 --> 00:55:06,093
Speaker 21: Would she eat when Aaron Patterson claims she's had experienced

1174
00:55:06,093 --> 00:55:09,813
Speaker 21: diarrhea after the lunch? Did they realize that there was

1175
00:55:09,853 --> 00:55:13,613
Speaker 21: an illness associated with this? So, look, it's a it's

1176
00:55:13,653 --> 00:55:15,772
Speaker 21: it's a very layered case obviously, hence what it's taken

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00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:18,973
Speaker 21: the nine weeks. But I think I think we should

1178
00:55:18,973 --> 00:55:21,413
Speaker 21: no sooner rather than later exactly what the jury is

1179
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:21,853
Speaker 21: going to deliver.

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00:55:22,013 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 20: I couldn't imagine the jury's going to liberate for too

1181
00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:24,213
Speaker 20: long on this.

1182
00:55:24,293 --> 00:55:27,533
Speaker 2: But so having covered this in detail, I mean, I

1183
00:55:27,533 --> 00:55:29,493
Speaker 2: think we're getting the idea. But what do you think

1184
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:31,173
Speaker 2: the verdict will be? And when do you think we

1185
00:55:31,213 --> 00:55:32,173
Speaker 2: will get that verdict?

1186
00:55:32,813 --> 00:55:35,693
Speaker 21: I think we'll find out today and I would suspect

1187
00:55:35,733 --> 00:55:38,613
Speaker 21: she's going to be guilty. But that's just reading obviously

1188
00:55:38,613 --> 00:55:41,333
Speaker 21: some of what has been presented through the through the

1189
00:55:41,333 --> 00:55:43,813
Speaker 21: evidence that's been presented to the courts.

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Speaker 20: But that's just you know, a bit of a bit

1191
00:55:46,653 --> 00:55:47,653
Speaker 20: of a look at that from afar.

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00:55:47,693 --> 00:55:49,692
Speaker 21: Obviously I'm not in the in the machinations of what's

1193
00:55:49,733 --> 00:55:51,573
Speaker 21: been heard in the court and who knows what, who

1194
00:55:51,573 --> 00:55:52,652
Speaker 21: knows what the jury is going to say.

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00:55:52,773 --> 00:55:55,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, only great to chat with you and good luck

1196
00:55:55,693 --> 00:55:57,252
Speaker 3: with the verdict. And I think we're all looking forward

1197
00:55:57,293 --> 00:55:59,893
Speaker 3: to the Netflix series. I'm sure someone got your money

1198
00:55:59,893 --> 00:56:00,172
Speaker 3: on that.

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00:56:00,933 --> 00:56:03,133
Speaker 21: And you too far away, will it? And just you know,

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00:56:03,213 --> 00:56:05,213
Speaker 21: check out your mushrooms right. I'm not a bigger fan

1201
00:56:05,253 --> 00:56:08,093
Speaker 21: of mushrooms anyway, and I don't think I'll be bearing mushrooms.

1202
00:56:08,093 --> 00:56:10,333
Speaker 2: And hey, well I'm a big fan of Beef Wellington though,

1203
00:56:10,373 --> 00:56:12,453
Speaker 2: me too. Yeah, you know, I'm conflicted even not for

1204
00:56:12,533 --> 00:56:13,173
Speaker 2: Beef Wellington.

1205
00:56:13,213 --> 00:56:15,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, Olie, great to catch up mate, Go well. That

1206
00:56:15,693 --> 00:56:19,373
Speaker 3: is Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter and we

1207
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Speaker 3: want your thoughts on this. I eight one hundred eighty

1208
00:56:21,133 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 3: ten eighty have you been following the trial, why have

1209
00:56:23,173 --> 00:56:25,813
Speaker 3: you been so fascinated and which way do you think

1210
00:56:25,853 --> 00:56:28,093
Speaker 3: the jury will go? It is twenty six past two.

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1212
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1214
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1215
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Speaker 3: Sa'd be twenty eight pas too. We're talking about the

1216
00:56:42,653 --> 00:56:46,053
Speaker 3: trial of Aaron Patterson, the mushroom crookeets kept devated the world.

1217
00:56:46,093 --> 00:56:49,373
Speaker 5: The jury is due to go out for deliberation very

1218
00:56:49,453 --> 00:56:50,973
Speaker 5: very soon. Which way do you think it's going to go?

1219
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Speaker 22: Oh?

1220
00:56:51,093 --> 00:56:52,252
Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty?

1221
00:56:52,573 --> 00:56:55,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, see the text massician machine is going one way.

1222
00:56:56,013 --> 00:57:00,373
Speaker 2: This isn't a take. The only reason people think she's

1223
00:57:00,413 --> 00:57:02,013
Speaker 2: guilty is because she's unattractive.

1224
00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:03,333
Speaker 5: I would have called her homely.

1225
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:07,413
Speaker 2: Is that the same thing, Scottie, welcome the show your

1226
00:57:07,413 --> 00:57:09,613
Speaker 2: thoughts on this gold.

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00:57:11,533 --> 00:57:13,172
Speaker 23: I don't even know what she looks like. But now

1228
00:57:13,213 --> 00:57:17,973
Speaker 23: you said that, Well, who in the right mind goes

1229
00:57:18,013 --> 00:57:21,013
Speaker 23: and makes beef well Inson for like X and laws

1230
00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:24,253
Speaker 23: or people that you despise or hate or got anything

1231
00:57:24,293 --> 00:57:27,213
Speaker 23: against you, Like if you're my exs and laws, then

1232
00:57:27,253 --> 00:57:29,653
Speaker 23: I'd just like you'd be lucky to get beans on taste.

1233
00:57:29,693 --> 00:57:32,453
Speaker 23: You get macroni cheese a thing, not a beef well Inton,

1234
00:57:32,853 --> 00:57:35,893
Speaker 23: And you wouldn't go out foraging for mushrooms to body

1235
00:57:36,173 --> 00:57:41,213
Speaker 23: make it extra special and stuff? If you Yeah, she's.

1236
00:57:41,013 --> 00:57:44,453
Speaker 2: Guilties right, So you think the fact that she's put

1237
00:57:44,453 --> 00:57:46,453
Speaker 2: that much effort into the meal, can only mean she

1238
00:57:46,533 --> 00:57:48,813
Speaker 2: was putting that effort into the meal as a honey

1239
00:57:48,813 --> 00:57:52,453
Speaker 2: trap to get people around to poison them. Yep, burn

1240
00:57:52,573 --> 00:57:56,973
Speaker 2: the witch, Scotty. How closely have you been following the case.

1241
00:57:58,893 --> 00:58:00,373
Speaker 23: For about the last five minutes?

1242
00:58:03,253 --> 00:58:07,093
Speaker 2: See, I was like that, you know, I hardly followed

1243
00:58:07,093 --> 00:58:10,373
Speaker 2: it as well. And this morning when Steve Price on

1244
00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:12,413
Speaker 2: Hosking said I think she's going to get off, and

1245
00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:15,533
Speaker 2: I sort of checked out because I thought she's definitely guilty.

1246
00:58:15,733 --> 00:58:17,613
Speaker 2: And when you first run your head across that and

1247
00:58:17,653 --> 00:58:20,573
Speaker 2: again listening to that evidence that we've just had, you know,

1248
00:58:20,813 --> 00:58:24,013
Speaker 2: that rundown we've had out of Perth, you immediately go,

1249
00:58:24,213 --> 00:58:25,853
Speaker 2: I cannot see how she's going to get off. But

1250
00:58:26,333 --> 00:58:28,453
Speaker 2: you've still got to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, don't you.

1251
00:58:28,453 --> 00:58:31,933
Speaker 2: You do She's probably guilty, but found not guilty, because

1252
00:58:31,973 --> 00:58:34,893
Speaker 2: beyond reasonable doubts is this text, you know. And we're

1253
00:58:34,973 --> 00:58:37,053
Speaker 2: lucky to live in both Australia and New Zealand and

1254
00:58:37,093 --> 00:58:39,773
Speaker 2: the system where there's a very high bar of finding

1255
00:58:39,773 --> 00:58:43,493
Speaker 2: someone guilty because we believe as societies that it's terrible

1256
00:58:43,493 --> 00:58:45,413
Speaker 2: to put innocent people in prison. You've got to prove

1257
00:58:45,453 --> 00:58:45,933
Speaker 2: that they did it.

1258
00:58:46,053 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like you say, I think most of the

1259
00:58:48,173 --> 00:58:51,973
Speaker 3: world was absolutely captivated and act one when she did

1260
00:58:51,973 --> 00:58:55,413
Speaker 3: it and it became news all across the world. But

1261
00:58:55,533 --> 00:58:57,853
Speaker 3: then because it's been nine weeks and the fact that

1262
00:58:57,933 --> 00:59:00,133
Speaker 3: they can't get cameras into Ossie.

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00:58:59,773 --> 00:59:02,093
Speaker 5: Courts, I think I kind of drifted away a little bit.

1264
00:59:02,133 --> 00:59:04,213
Speaker 3: I saw some of the in court sketches and I've

1265
00:59:04,213 --> 00:59:06,853
Speaker 3: got to say that one that looks like the screen

1266
00:59:06,933 --> 00:59:10,093
Speaker 3: the famous portrait. Yeah, surely you can find it better

1267
00:59:10,133 --> 00:59:10,893
Speaker 3: in court sketcher.

1268
00:59:10,933 --> 00:59:13,493
Speaker 2: That sketch charts like that, But that's the sketch artist.

1269
00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:16,333
Speaker 2: Whoever's working over there in Australia is terrible.

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00:59:16,453 --> 00:59:16,973
Speaker 5: It's terrible.

1271
00:59:17,013 --> 00:59:20,373
Speaker 2: Well artistic, yeah, basically creating works of art. I think

1272
00:59:20,813 --> 00:59:23,053
Speaker 2: I think it's a more of an expressionist kind of

1273
00:59:23,093 --> 00:59:26,333
Speaker 2: painter because the purtures of her look absolutely nothing like

1274
00:59:26,373 --> 00:59:27,573
Speaker 2: the photographs of seen of it.

1275
00:59:27,733 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 3: No, they look terrifying. But we're keen to get your

1276
00:59:29,813 --> 00:59:32,933
Speaker 3: views on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty This Texas

1277
00:59:32,933 --> 00:59:35,693
Speaker 3: sys mushroom lady knows what she did. She kept keeping

1278
00:59:35,733 --> 00:59:38,533
Speaker 3: people in the dark and feeding people bull crap. Oh

1279
00:59:38,573 --> 00:59:41,893
Speaker 3: good line, Yeah, it is twenty nine to three headlines

1280
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Speaker 3: with Raylene coming up.

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Speaker 15: US Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1282
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1283
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Speaker 15: With twenty twenty three census data showing more than twenty

1284
00:59:57,653 --> 01:00:01,013
Speaker 15: four percent of over sixty fives were still working and

1285
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Speaker 15: nine thousand earned more than two hundred thousand dollars a year,

1286
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Speaker 15: the Infrastructure Commissions released its draft thirty proposal, laying up

1287
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Speaker 15: the need for investing in energy in boosting health infrastructure,

1288
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Speaker 15: and stressing political parties should agree to a long term plan.

1289
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1290
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Speaker 15: raise awareness of psychological tricks used to hook punters into

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Speaker 15: sports gambling, particularly targeting young men. A key WE led

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Speaker 15: international maritime task force targeting drugs smuggling in the Middle

1296
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1297
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Speaker 15: dollars worth of narcotics. TOP secret prototype sportscar being tested

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Speaker 15: in New Zealand crashes near Queenstown. You can read more

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Speaker 15: at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eathan

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Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty five to three.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: Vesia Mahinko as one of the talented Rescue Chopper pilots,

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Speaker 2: and he told us about a mission that has stuck

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Speaker 2: in his mind.

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Speaker 6: There was a Wins job at night just off part

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Speaker 6: of Waikio and yeah, it was a boat that got.

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Speaker 24: Unfortunately caught up in a bar and people got thrown

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Speaker 24: into the water and at night we were struggling to

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Speaker 24: find them. And there was a really awesome job in

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Speaker 24: terms of police got involved with their helicopter, the surf

1312
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Speaker 24: life saving guys and uh and just the the team

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Speaker 24: cohesion has helped to save those people. And I think

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Speaker 24: without any of those teams, you take one of those

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Speaker 24: teams out, I don't think that mission would have been successful.

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Speaker 6: And that was that was really awesome.

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Speaker 24: I was threw three people that there I like today

1318
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Speaker 24: because of that, and that was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what an incredible pilots are vast was and his

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Speaker 3: story was incredible well as well. When he mentioned that

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Speaker 3: he was a chopper pilot and he worked all over

1322
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Speaker 3: the world and then he was in New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: he got into a car accident. Somebody had hit him

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Speaker 3: and he needed saving by the Westpact Rescue helicopter. And

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Speaker 3: when he was being risky, he thought, this is what

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Speaker 3: I need to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting their job because you know, they

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01:02:30,853 --> 01:02:33,413
Speaker 2: can navigate to a site and they can and then

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01:02:33,453 --> 01:02:35,253
Speaker 2: they still have to look around and find the person.

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Speaker 2: There can be different topography. You know, if you look

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01:02:38,813 --> 01:02:40,373
Speaker 2: something up in Google Maps, it might take you to

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Speaker 2: the spot. But they someone might have rolled down a cliff.

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01:02:43,453 --> 01:02:48,173
Speaker 2: There could be terrible weather conditions, you know, trees, foliage.

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Speaker 2: There's so much that they have to deal with and

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Speaker 2: they don't really know. They often go out there with

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Speaker 2: not really any information at all except for a beacon's

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Speaker 2: gone off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely incredible New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: So to donate and they need our donations go to

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Speaker 3: Chopper Appeal at dot co dot NZ. All money raised

1341
01:03:04,933 --> 01:03:07,613
Speaker 3: through the Westpank Chopper Appeal it goes towards new equipment,

1342
01:03:07,693 --> 01:03:11,253
Speaker 3: maintenance and staff training, which, like everything right now, costs

1343
01:03:11,293 --> 01:03:14,533
Speaker 3: more each year. So that website again Chopper Appeal dot

1344
01:03:14,653 --> 01:03:17,533
Speaker 3: Co dot Nz to give and they need our help.

1345
01:03:17,733 --> 01:03:20,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, the great New Zealanders. And you never know

1346
01:03:20,573 --> 01:03:22,173
Speaker 2: when a loved one might need their help.

1347
01:03:22,293 --> 01:03:22,453
Speaker 6: Yep.

1348
01:03:22,533 --> 01:03:23,093
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

1349
01:03:23,213 --> 01:03:25,893
Speaker 3: Right back to our discussion about this trial over in Australia,

1350
01:03:25,973 --> 01:03:28,333
Speaker 3: the trial of Aaron Patterson, the mushroom crop, which has

1351
01:03:28,413 --> 01:03:31,173
Speaker 3: captivated the world. Which way do you think it's going

1352
01:03:31,213 --> 01:03:34,053
Speaker 3: to go? The jury is due for deliberation very very soon.

1353
01:03:34,493 --> 01:03:36,733
Speaker 2: Isabelle is not happy about this discussion at all. She says,

1354
01:03:36,773 --> 01:03:38,373
Speaker 2: you guys are having a good old laugh, but three

1355
01:03:38,413 --> 01:03:39,053
Speaker 2: people are dead.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

1357
01:03:39,733 --> 01:03:41,733
Speaker 2: I don't know those people, and I have empathy and

1358
01:03:41,813 --> 01:03:44,253
Speaker 2: it's sad that they have passed away. But thousands and

1359
01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:46,933
Speaker 2: thousands of people die every year that I don't know about,

1360
01:03:47,213 --> 01:03:51,853
Speaker 2: and I can't cry about all of them. And look

1361
01:03:52,213 --> 01:03:55,533
Speaker 2: that this you're gonna be fighting swimming up hill, Isabelle.

1362
01:03:55,533 --> 01:03:57,853
Speaker 2: If you're going to shut down the whole true crime

1363
01:03:57,933 --> 01:04:03,093
Speaker 2: podcast world and the human fascination with tragedy and in

1364
01:04:03,213 --> 01:04:07,133
Speaker 2: family drama and murder, it's something that we're very drawn

1365
01:04:07,213 --> 01:04:11,253
Speaker 2: to as a speci is morbidly perhaps, but you know,

1366
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Speaker 2: we don't know those people.

1367
01:04:13,733 --> 01:04:15,733
Speaker 5: No, so exactly.

1368
01:04:15,853 --> 01:04:17,813
Speaker 3: I mean, like you say, it's Hardwired, and with the

1369
01:04:17,893 --> 01:04:22,413
Speaker 3: true crime podcasts and Netflix documentaries and everything else, there's

1370
01:04:22,493 --> 01:04:25,773
Speaker 3: not many people alive that haven't gone into watching those.

1371
01:04:25,893 --> 01:04:29,173
Speaker 2: But back in history, I'll tell you what Isabelle. If

1372
01:04:29,173 --> 01:04:31,453
Speaker 2: you're if you're very upset about them, and you're crying

1373
01:04:31,493 --> 01:04:33,693
Speaker 2: about them, and you're grieving these people that you don't know,

1374
01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:37,693
Speaker 2: then good on you. You're an incredibly empathetic, empathetic person

1375
01:04:37,773 --> 01:04:39,413
Speaker 2: and you're a better person than Tyler.

1376
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:43,293
Speaker 5: That is very true. Maureen, now are here this afternoon.

1377
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Speaker 14: I'm good, Thank you.

1378
01:04:45,813 --> 01:04:49,173
Speaker 25: We were actually in Australia when it happened, so we

1379
01:04:49,293 --> 01:04:52,493
Speaker 25: were on holiday and I've watched it from day one,

1380
01:04:53,053 --> 01:04:55,853
Speaker 25: and of course the Australian media they're all over it.

1381
01:04:55,933 --> 01:04:59,853
Speaker 25: I mean there's no blanking out faces, there's nothing. You know,

1382
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:02,853
Speaker 25: they were the like for the whole time we were there,

1383
01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:07,373
Speaker 25: and it was just like, oh you did it, And

1384
01:05:07,853 --> 01:05:11,533
Speaker 25: it was just so many inconsistencies. Like she said she

1385
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 25: was having a stomach reduction at some clinic. Well that

1386
01:05:15,973 --> 01:05:19,253
Speaker 25: was a beauty clinic. They didn't do stomach reductions there.

1387
01:05:20,813 --> 01:05:23,253
Speaker 25: You know, it was a brand new dehydrator. She bought

1388
01:05:23,293 --> 01:05:25,973
Speaker 25: it three or four weeks ago. Well, you don't throw

1389
01:05:26,053 --> 01:05:28,213
Speaker 25: out a new dehydrator unless you.

1390
01:05:29,773 --> 01:05:31,173
Speaker 14: I don't know, maybe you didn't like.

1391
01:05:31,253 --> 01:05:37,293
Speaker 25: Dehydrating, and it's just there was just so many inconsistencies

1392
01:05:38,213 --> 01:05:42,213
Speaker 25: and I don't know, it's just yeah, I don't know.

1393
01:05:42,333 --> 01:05:46,333
Speaker 25: Maybe it's beware of the scorned woman. You certainly wouldn't

1394
01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:50,133
Speaker 25: be able to find a dura in Australia that hadn't.

1395
01:05:50,013 --> 01:05:50,893
Speaker 14: Followed the case.

1396
01:05:51,813 --> 01:05:54,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that must be really hard. And as

1397
01:05:54,253 --> 01:05:56,893
Speaker 2: we were saying before, Maureen and you seem to be

1398
01:05:56,893 --> 01:05:59,613
Speaker 2: in the same camp as Tyler and I that as

1399
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:01,733
Speaker 2: soon as we heard it and read the first bits

1400
01:06:01,773 --> 01:06:06,013
Speaker 2: of evidence, we thought guilty. And so that's the jury

1401
01:06:06,133 --> 01:06:07,853
Speaker 2: she's going to be getting. As people that that will

1402
01:06:07,893 --> 01:06:09,293
Speaker 2: be very hard to change their opinion.

1403
01:06:10,213 --> 01:06:13,013
Speaker 25: That's human nature. And that's where I often think, gosh,

1404
01:06:13,373 --> 01:06:15,533
Speaker 25: you know, maybe we need to have judges, you know,

1405
01:06:15,693 --> 01:06:18,293
Speaker 25: on a panel rather than you and me and Tyler,

1406
01:06:18,413 --> 01:06:21,453
Speaker 25: because you know, what a waste for nine weeks.

1407
01:06:21,653 --> 01:06:25,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the other thing, wrap it up now, guilty, Yeah.

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01:06:25,573 --> 01:06:28,093
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's get onto the next spaces. The courts will

1409
01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:31,533
Speaker 25: be clear. But the other thing is they had fourteen

1410
01:06:31,693 --> 01:06:35,053
Speaker 25: jurors picked one went off because they had they were

1411
01:06:35,133 --> 01:06:37,253
Speaker 25: sick or there was something that so they were down

1412
01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:41,213
Speaker 25: to thirteen. But today they had to choose one to go.

1413
01:06:41,893 --> 01:06:44,453
Speaker 25: Only twelve, we're going to decide because you can only

1414
01:06:44,533 --> 01:06:47,053
Speaker 25: have twelve. They had a couple of extras because it

1415
01:06:47,173 --> 01:06:49,013
Speaker 25: was such a long trial, and I thought that was

1416
01:06:49,133 --> 01:06:52,613
Speaker 25: quite efficient of the Australian judicial system.

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01:06:53,293 --> 01:06:55,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it would have been a hell

1418
01:06:55,333 --> 01:06:56,853
Speaker 3: of a time to be on the ground in Aussie

1419
01:06:56,893 --> 01:06:59,813
Speaker 3: when that story broke, and it seems to have not

1420
01:07:00,013 --> 01:07:02,173
Speaker 3: let up in Australia. They have been captivated by it

1421
01:07:02,293 --> 01:07:02,733
Speaker 3: like we all have.

1422
01:07:02,973 --> 01:07:04,653
Speaker 2: But this is a text to pushes back a little bit,

1423
01:07:04,693 --> 01:07:07,213
Speaker 2: says hey, guys, a liar does not a murderer make

1424
01:07:07,333 --> 01:07:09,053
Speaker 2: She actually got on with it in laws. I don't

1425
01:07:09,053 --> 01:07:11,053
Speaker 2: think her ex husband is totally innocent in all this.

1426
01:07:11,133 --> 01:07:13,973
Speaker 2: It's great being on New Zealand and not Australia, so

1427
01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:16,973
Speaker 2: we can we don't have to sprinkle allegedlys everywhere now

1428
01:07:17,413 --> 01:07:20,213
Speaker 2: her ex husband is I don't think her ex husband

1429
01:07:20,253 --> 01:07:22,933
Speaker 2: is totally innocent in all this. It just doesn't add

1430
01:07:23,053 --> 01:07:24,853
Speaker 2: up why she would want to kill the in laws.

1431
01:07:25,613 --> 01:07:28,373
Speaker 2: So this is someone that's someone on the other other side.

1432
01:07:28,333 --> 01:07:29,053
Speaker 5: And fair enough too.

1433
01:07:29,093 --> 01:07:33,333
Speaker 3: But I'm just reading through what the austrained husband testified

1434
01:07:33,493 --> 01:07:35,933
Speaker 3: in the trials. So Simon Patterson, he told the court

1435
01:07:36,613 --> 01:07:39,653
Speaker 3: about their strained relationship and turning down an invite to

1436
01:07:39,773 --> 01:07:44,533
Speaker 3: that fatal lunch. But that texture is quite right. It

1437
01:07:44,653 --> 01:07:47,333
Speaker 3: appeared some of the evidence was presented that even though

1438
01:07:47,573 --> 01:07:50,453
Speaker 3: there was a strained relationship between her and her ex husband,

1439
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:53,133
Speaker 3: the in laws wasn't too bad.

1440
01:07:53,773 --> 01:07:53,893
Speaker 4: Right.

1441
01:07:54,093 --> 01:07:54,333
Speaker 14: Okay.

1442
01:07:54,533 --> 01:07:57,013
Speaker 2: This person says, you know, we were just talking to

1443
01:07:57,533 --> 01:08:00,093
Speaker 2: a reporter from Perth saying that everyone's covering it. More en,

1444
01:08:00,133 --> 01:08:02,813
Speaker 2: see everyone's covering it. This person says, No, I moved

1445
01:08:02,853 --> 01:08:06,293
Speaker 2: to Perth after the christ chich earthqake and earthquake in

1446
01:08:06,293 --> 01:08:09,173
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, nothing or at all about it on the

1447
01:08:09,613 --> 01:08:10,253
Speaker 2: media in Perth.

1448
01:08:10,413 --> 01:08:12,613
Speaker 5: Wow, this is text that was different to Olli Peterson,

1449
01:08:12,613 --> 01:08:13,653
Speaker 5: who's on the ground in Perth.

1450
01:08:14,333 --> 01:08:15,013
Speaker 2: I can't believe that.

1451
01:08:15,253 --> 01:08:17,013
Speaker 5: No, surely you would have heard of it.

1452
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:20,932
Speaker 2: I mean, every news broadcast in Australia is absolutely covenant.

1453
01:08:20,973 --> 01:08:24,253
Speaker 2: I wonder if your charges this text ask is bringing

1454
01:08:24,333 --> 01:08:28,213
Speaker 2: Beef Wellington into disrepute. Differently, I'm a personally huge fan

1455
01:08:28,293 --> 01:08:31,092
Speaker 2: of Beef Wellington. My youngest son makes a fantastic beef Wellington,

1456
01:08:31,093 --> 01:08:33,652
Speaker 2: but I just haven't been as excited about beef Wellington. Yeah,

1457
01:08:33,732 --> 01:08:36,333
Speaker 2: since this case, it's put me off the beef Wellington.

1458
01:08:36,412 --> 01:08:39,013
Speaker 3: That should be ten years in prison alone. Oh, one

1459
01:08:39,133 --> 01:08:41,133
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call.

1460
01:08:41,532 --> 01:08:43,852
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts on the Mushroom Cook trial the trial

1461
01:08:43,933 --> 01:08:46,213
Speaker 3: of Aaron Patterson. Have you been captivated? What is it

1462
01:08:46,253 --> 01:08:49,852
Speaker 3: about the trial that you have been so fascinated by?

1463
01:08:50,053 --> 01:08:51,732
Speaker 3: And which way do you think it's going to go?

1464
01:08:52,213 --> 01:08:55,732
Speaker 3: As the jury starts its deliberations, it is seventeen to

1465
01:08:55,812 --> 01:08:57,053
Speaker 3: three bag very shortly.

1466
01:08:56,893 --> 01:08:58,173
Speaker 2: And I just see a text that come through. I

1467
01:08:58,213 --> 01:09:00,812
Speaker 2: was waiting how long before the fun guy jokes came through?

1468
01:09:01,133 --> 01:09:03,452
Speaker 2: Fung guy puns are coming in strong. All right, good to.

1469
01:09:03,492 --> 01:09:07,732
Speaker 1: See mad He's and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls

1470
01:09:07,772 --> 01:09:12,333
Speaker 1: one with the West back Chopper appeal, no greater sound

1471
01:09:12,412 --> 01:09:14,133
Speaker 1: when you need it news dogs, then be.

1472
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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. We're talking about the Mushroom Cook trial,

1473
01:09:17,492 --> 01:09:21,452
Speaker 3: the trial of Aaron Patterson. It is somethink that everybody

1474
01:09:21,652 --> 01:09:22,293
Speaker 3: is talking about.

1475
01:09:22,372 --> 01:09:24,093
Speaker 5: Sorry, I had to do that. I got another text

1476
01:09:24,333 --> 01:09:27,333
Speaker 5: about the sumpthink and I couldn't help myself.

1477
01:09:27,412 --> 01:09:28,932
Speaker 2: Where does the thump think come from?

1478
01:09:29,253 --> 01:09:31,213
Speaker 5: I know, just a good Southern slam.

1479
01:09:31,333 --> 01:09:34,213
Speaker 2: Well I said earthcake before and said earthquake, so both

1480
01:09:34,253 --> 01:09:38,013
Speaker 2: of us are unable to speak properly, NICKI says, I've

1481
01:09:38,053 --> 01:09:40,732
Speaker 2: been following the case day by day. She's a pathological liar,

1482
01:09:40,853 --> 01:09:42,732
Speaker 2: no doubt, but I don't believe she was bright enough

1483
01:09:42,812 --> 01:09:45,572
Speaker 2: to actually do it without taking herself out. There's also

1484
01:09:45,652 --> 01:09:49,173
Speaker 2: no clear motive. Yeah, the motive. I'm struggling to find

1485
01:09:49,253 --> 01:09:53,372
Speaker 2: what the exact motive is as well. I believe they

1486
01:09:53,372 --> 01:09:55,732
Speaker 2: won't get to the beyond reasonable doubt level and she

1487
01:09:55,853 --> 01:09:58,452
Speaker 2: will be not guilty. Be really interesting life for her

1488
01:09:58,572 --> 01:10:01,092
Speaker 2: post being found not guilty if she was found not guilty.

1489
01:10:01,372 --> 01:10:04,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean the motive that the prosecution has

1490
01:10:04,732 --> 01:10:07,532
Speaker 3: argued was the strained relationships with her in laws and

1491
01:10:07,612 --> 01:10:09,933
Speaker 3: a strange but as we mentioned, but.

1492
01:10:10,173 --> 01:10:12,652
Speaker 2: Why do you need to invite them around? She looked

1493
01:10:12,692 --> 01:10:15,412
Speaker 2: like she had to coerce them with the succulent beef Wellington,

1494
01:10:16,253 --> 01:10:18,412
Speaker 2: She had to send multiple texts to get people round

1495
01:10:18,572 --> 01:10:20,973
Speaker 2: and such. It just feels like she could have just

1496
01:10:21,053 --> 01:10:22,572
Speaker 2: let them go about their business.

1497
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:23,532
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1498
01:10:24,213 --> 01:10:25,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of it that doesn't make a

1499
01:10:25,933 --> 01:10:27,893
Speaker 3: lot of sense. But keen to get your views on

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01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:32,692
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Allan, what do you reckon?

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01:10:33,732 --> 01:10:36,973
Speaker 18: Well, you've got to look at the evidence, and the

1502
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:43,573
Speaker 18: evidence provided so far was she researched those poisonous mushrooms,

1503
01:10:45,572 --> 01:10:47,652
Speaker 18: then she went out and got mushrooms, and then she

1504
01:10:47,812 --> 01:10:51,532
Speaker 18: lied where she got them from. That she's been proven

1505
01:10:51,572 --> 01:10:55,972
Speaker 18: wrong and caught on that. And then to top it off,

1506
01:10:56,412 --> 01:10:58,973
Speaker 18: she didn't have a dehydrator, so she went and got

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01:10:59,013 --> 01:11:04,412
Speaker 18: a dehydrator. It was planned initially and all the way

1508
01:11:04,572 --> 01:11:10,053
Speaker 18: through and at the end of it the dehydrator and

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01:11:10,173 --> 01:11:13,932
Speaker 18: denied having one. And when she has approped, she had

1510
01:11:13,973 --> 01:11:18,933
Speaker 18: it been, she admitted it. And so she didn't like

1511
01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:23,852
Speaker 18: her in laws, so having them there for her last

1512
01:11:23,933 --> 01:11:27,133
Speaker 18: meal was one way of doing it.

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01:11:28,133 --> 01:11:30,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting though, Allan like the defense contends that

1514
01:11:30,973 --> 01:11:34,733
Speaker 2: the deaths were accidental, emphasizing a lack of intent Petterson's

1515
01:11:34,772 --> 01:11:37,572
Speaker 2: claims she used a mix of store board and forage

1516
01:11:37,652 --> 01:11:40,452
Speaker 2: mushrooms without knowledge of their toxicity. This is what they're claiming,

1517
01:11:40,732 --> 01:11:42,333
Speaker 2: not saying that they're right. They have to come up

1518
01:11:42,333 --> 01:11:45,612
Speaker 2: with a defense. She she also fell ill after the meal,

1519
01:11:45,652 --> 01:11:49,013
Speaker 2: indicating no intent to harm, and she's expressed her love

1520
01:11:49,093 --> 01:11:51,293
Speaker 2: for her in laws and denied any desire to harm them.

1521
01:11:51,333 --> 01:11:54,893
Speaker 2: She stated she discarded the dehydrator out of fear of

1522
01:11:55,013 --> 01:11:58,652
Speaker 2: being blamed, not to destroy evidence, because some of those

1523
01:11:58,732 --> 01:12:00,892
Speaker 2: things alan when you look at it, what she did

1524
01:12:00,933 --> 01:12:03,813
Speaker 2: with her phone and what she did with the dehydrator

1525
01:12:04,612 --> 01:12:07,333
Speaker 2: might be the case. And I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

1526
01:12:07,652 --> 01:12:09,372
Speaker 2: It might be the case that she goes, oh no,

1527
01:12:09,612 --> 01:12:12,013
Speaker 2: I'm accused of this. They're looking at me, and then

1528
01:12:12,093 --> 01:12:14,932
Speaker 2: she thinks of the things that may make her look guilty,

1529
01:12:15,253 --> 01:12:17,492
Speaker 2: even if she didn't do it. She's just looking at

1530
01:12:17,532 --> 01:12:19,412
Speaker 2: the things that might make her feel guilty, and by

1531
01:12:19,532 --> 01:12:22,932
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, cover up these things, it's made

1532
01:12:22,973 --> 01:12:25,733
Speaker 2: her look more guilty. Do you think there's any possibility

1533
01:12:26,412 --> 01:12:27,212
Speaker 2: of that, Allen.

1534
01:12:28,013 --> 01:12:30,612
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I was about to come to the phone. She

1535
01:12:30,732 --> 01:12:34,452
Speaker 8: went and the folded her phone back to factory reset

1536
01:12:34,612 --> 01:12:36,253
Speaker 8: to get rid.

1537
01:12:36,173 --> 01:12:41,012
Speaker 18: Of all history on looking up poisonous mushrooms and where

1538
01:12:41,093 --> 01:12:44,852
Speaker 18: you could find so bad and where she went with

1539
01:12:45,013 --> 01:12:47,412
Speaker 18: her phone deleted all that history.

1540
01:12:47,572 --> 01:12:48,652
Speaker 5: It certainly doesn't look good.

1541
01:12:49,093 --> 01:12:49,293
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1542
01:12:49,812 --> 01:12:52,572
Speaker 5: No, The thing I can't figure when, sorry, Ellen.

1543
01:12:52,333 --> 01:12:56,372
Speaker 18: You go to there they'll work out and the evidence

1544
01:12:56,412 --> 01:12:58,692
Speaker 18: will show that she did have an intent.

1545
01:13:00,093 --> 01:13:02,772
Speaker 3: The thing I can't quite work out, and this doesn't

1546
01:13:02,812 --> 01:13:05,733
Speaker 3: really add to the evidence of the trial. But dehydrated

1547
01:13:05,772 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 3: mushrooms for beef Wellington. Is that ordinarily how you do

1548
01:13:08,333 --> 01:13:10,412
Speaker 3: beef Wellington. I would have thought it would be fresh mushrooms.

1549
01:13:10,612 --> 01:13:12,253
Speaker 3: What the hell would you use dehydrated?

1550
01:13:12,652 --> 01:13:15,293
Speaker 2: Is that something to do with her research into these

1551
01:13:15,412 --> 01:13:19,333
Speaker 2: death cat mushrooms? And maybe they need to be dehydrated

1552
01:13:19,412 --> 01:13:24,532
Speaker 2: to get the amount ierhabs maximum poison. I'm absolutely speculating here.

1553
01:13:24,572 --> 01:13:26,732
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about death cat mushrooms. My beef

1554
01:13:26,732 --> 01:13:29,893
Speaker 2: Wellington's I make are completely above board, but maybe you

1555
01:13:30,013 --> 01:13:32,932
Speaker 2: need to dehydrate them so you can get the maximum

1556
01:13:32,933 --> 01:13:35,812
Speaker 2: amount of poison in the mouthful kind of situation.

1557
01:13:37,173 --> 01:13:40,132
Speaker 8: They are white in color as opposed to a normal

1558
01:13:40,293 --> 01:13:43,892
Speaker 8: black and white based mushroom, the white flesh right round.

1559
01:13:44,173 --> 01:13:48,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, so to try and hide the sauce affair.

1560
01:13:48,053 --> 01:13:50,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, beef Wellington's not an easy dish to make,

1561
01:13:50,893 --> 01:13:53,572
Speaker 2: so it's if she did do it, it's quite evil

1562
01:13:53,692 --> 01:13:57,893
Speaker 2: to spend that long I'm making a dish. You know,

1563
01:13:58,053 --> 01:14:00,253
Speaker 2: you could just do an Irish stew. That's pretty easy

1564
01:14:00,293 --> 01:14:04,452
Speaker 2: a casse. You know, maybe some mushrooms on toast.

1565
01:14:04,772 --> 01:14:06,812
Speaker 3: I'd never say no to a beef Wellington. So that's

1566
01:14:06,893 --> 01:14:08,692
Speaker 3: the gens behind it. If she is guilty.

1567
01:14:08,772 --> 01:14:11,452
Speaker 2: If she is guilty, then the beef Wellington was a

1568
01:14:11,492 --> 01:14:13,652
Speaker 2: honey trap, because if someone invites me around for a

1569
01:14:13,692 --> 01:14:14,932
Speaker 2: beef Wellington, I'm going round.

1570
01:14:15,053 --> 01:14:17,812
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely right, one of them.

1571
01:14:18,013 --> 01:14:21,812
Speaker 2: How she cooked the beef Wellington, whether it was you know, rear, medium,

1572
01:14:21,933 --> 01:14:24,893
Speaker 2: rare care At that point, what we're not getting is

1573
01:14:24,973 --> 01:14:27,852
Speaker 2: any reviews of the beef Wellington, because you know.

1574
01:14:28,053 --> 01:14:30,372
Speaker 5: We need pictures. We need to see how succulent that meets.

1575
01:14:30,452 --> 01:14:31,852
Speaker 2: It would be hard to give it a positive review

1576
01:14:31,973 --> 01:14:35,412
Speaker 2: after you end up in hospital, certainly, what much harder

1577
01:14:35,452 --> 01:14:36,093
Speaker 2: if you know dead.

1578
01:14:36,732 --> 01:14:38,612
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call.

1579
01:14:39,173 --> 01:14:41,492
Speaker 3: We'll pick this back up very shortly. And just a reminder,

1580
01:14:41,572 --> 01:14:44,972
Speaker 3: the Westpec Chopper appeal is on now. They are absolute

1581
01:14:45,013 --> 01:14:48,253
Speaker 3: great Kiwis and they need our help. So to donate,

1582
01:14:48,372 --> 01:14:50,333
Speaker 3: go to Choperapeal dot co dot nz.

1583
01:14:50,572 --> 01:14:53,172
Speaker 2: Just text. It says the dehydrating of the poisonous shrooms

1584
01:14:53,253 --> 01:14:54,253
Speaker 2: reduces their flavor.

1585
01:14:54,492 --> 01:14:58,253
Speaker 3: Ah so as an ability to hide that you might

1586
01:14:58,293 --> 01:14:59,412
Speaker 3: be eating something about poisonous.

1587
01:14:59,412 --> 01:15:01,412
Speaker 2: So you have some mushrooms that are normal mushrooms in there,

1588
01:15:01,452 --> 01:15:05,492
Speaker 2: you've got these poisonous ones potentially, and by dehydrating them,

1589
01:15:05,492 --> 01:15:07,452
Speaker 2: you don't immediately bite and it go there's something wrong

1590
01:15:07,452 --> 01:15:08,093
Speaker 2: and not want to eat the.

1591
01:15:08,053 --> 01:15:10,692
Speaker 5: Rest of I love this chat. It is eight to three.

1592
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:13,452
Speaker 6: The Issues that affect.

1593
01:15:13,213 --> 01:15:15,572
Speaker 1: You and a bit of fun along the way Matt

1594
01:15:15,612 --> 01:15:18,132
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

1595
01:15:18,053 --> 01:15:20,532
Speaker 6: Talks, EBB News Talks.

1596
01:15:20,853 --> 01:15:21,972
Speaker 5: It is five to three.

1597
01:15:22,133 --> 01:15:26,133
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at a recipe for beef Wellington. It

1598
01:15:26,253 --> 01:15:29,732
Speaker 2: was actually a Gordon Ramsey recipe says well the beef

1599
01:15:29,893 --> 01:15:33,933
Speaker 2: is cooling chop two hundred and fifty gram's chestnut and

1600
01:15:34,253 --> 01:15:35,772
Speaker 2: wild if you like mushrooms.

1601
01:15:35,853 --> 01:15:39,892
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So so it does suggest here it encourage

1602
01:15:39,933 --> 01:15:42,492
Speaker 3: wild if you like Ramsey likes a bit of foraging.

1603
01:15:42,572 --> 01:15:45,612
Speaker 2: He doesn't say deathcat mushroom, that's not the recipe, but

1604
01:15:45,652 --> 01:15:49,772
Speaker 2: he does say wild mushrooms. Yeah. So it is possible

1605
01:15:49,853 --> 01:15:52,652
Speaker 2: that she was doing this recipe and she was like, oh,

1606
01:15:52,652 --> 01:15:56,812
Speaker 2: wild mushrooms, I'll go and get them out. But someone says, hey, guys,

1607
01:15:56,893 --> 01:15:59,492
Speaker 2: two things. One this is from NICKI thank for your text.

1608
01:15:59,612 --> 01:16:02,372
Speaker 2: You're using rational thought to discuss. Not sure that's particularly

1609
01:16:02,452 --> 01:16:06,053
Speaker 2: rational to dehydrate to hide the taste of the mushrooms. Yeah,

1610
01:16:06,452 --> 01:16:12,012
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing. Someone says, you know, she's probably

1611
01:16:12,053 --> 01:16:14,452
Speaker 2: going to get off on the case of being mentally

1612
01:16:14,572 --> 01:16:17,133
Speaker 2: unwell boys one hundredercent guilty, but we'll get off on

1613
01:16:17,253 --> 01:16:20,293
Speaker 2: psychological grounds. Yeah, So maybe she hasn't been rational about

1614
01:16:20,293 --> 01:16:20,652
Speaker 2: the whole thing.

1615
01:16:20,772 --> 01:16:22,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to that point on the texture, Maybe

1616
01:16:22,893 --> 01:16:25,492
Speaker 3: that's part of what makes it captivating, is if she

1617
01:16:25,652 --> 01:16:29,412
Speaker 3: is rational that premeditation of cooking this beautiful beef Wellington.

1618
01:16:29,532 --> 01:16:31,213
Speaker 5: Well it wasn't that beautiful in the end, was it.

1619
01:16:31,532 --> 01:16:34,652
Speaker 3: But that premeditation aspect is there is something if she

1620
01:16:34,772 --> 01:16:37,572
Speaker 3: is guilty, particularly evil about that. And I think that

1621
01:16:37,692 --> 01:16:40,732
Speaker 3: adds into the Agatha Christie type situation that this has

1622
01:16:40,772 --> 01:16:41,333
Speaker 3: been presenting.

1623
01:16:42,612 --> 01:16:45,372
Speaker 5: Right, what a great discussion. Thank you very much.

1624
01:16:45,492 --> 01:16:48,372
Speaker 3: And as we say, the jury I believe is due

1625
01:16:48,412 --> 01:16:51,093
Speaker 3: to go out for deliberation very shortly. Mike Costkin thinks

1626
01:16:51,093 --> 01:16:53,412
Speaker 3: I'll be done and dusted in forty minutes. Oli Peterson

1627
01:16:53,412 --> 01:16:53,972
Speaker 3: thinks the same.

1628
01:16:54,253 --> 01:16:56,492
Speaker 2: Steve Price thinks that she might get off.

1629
01:16:56,772 --> 01:16:59,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will wait to see with baited bread coming

1630
01:16:59,293 --> 01:17:01,532
Speaker 3: up after three o'clock. We want to hear your stories

1631
01:17:01,572 --> 01:17:04,572
Speaker 3: on when you've needed the rescue helicopter to help you

1632
01:17:04,652 --> 01:17:06,372
Speaker 3: out in a trouble spot. We're also going to have

1633
01:17:06,412 --> 01:17:09,893
Speaker 3: a chat to StEB Grood, a big part of that organization.

1634
01:17:10,093 --> 01:17:12,612
Speaker 3: And it is of course the Chopper Appeal Day.

1635
01:17:12,652 --> 01:17:13,213
Speaker 5: It's on now.

1636
01:17:13,293 --> 01:17:15,372
Speaker 3: If you want to donate, go to Chopper Appeal dot

1637
01:17:15,492 --> 01:17:18,052
Speaker 3: co dot NZ. Newsport and Weather on its way.

1638
01:17:19,732 --> 01:17:21,452
Speaker 6: Talking with you all afternoon.

1639
01:17:21,692 --> 01:17:25,892
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons with the Westpac Chopper Appeal.

1640
01:17:26,053 --> 01:17:28,732
Speaker 6: No greater sounds when you need a news talks Evy.

1641
01:17:29,652 --> 01:17:30,572
Speaker 5: Very good afternoons you.

1642
01:17:30,692 --> 01:17:32,812
Speaker 3: It is seven past three and yes, a big day

1643
01:17:32,853 --> 01:17:35,732
Speaker 3: for the West Bank Rescue Helicopter organization. It is the

1644
01:17:35,893 --> 01:17:39,852
Speaker 3: Chopper Appeal Day and they need our help to keep

1645
01:17:39,933 --> 01:17:43,772
Speaker 3: those helicopters in the sky and helping thousands and thousands

1646
01:17:43,893 --> 01:17:46,572
Speaker 3: of New Zealanders get this. Last year, the rescue choppers

1647
01:17:46,572 --> 01:17:50,293
Speaker 3: around the country flew nine two hundred and eighty nine missions.

1648
01:17:50,372 --> 01:17:52,293
Speaker 3: That is twenty five people per day.

1649
01:17:52,812 --> 01:17:53,052
Speaker 2: Wow.

1650
01:17:53,133 --> 01:17:57,492
Speaker 3: How many total sound and eighty nine missions in a year.

1651
01:17:57,812 --> 01:17:59,692
Speaker 3: That is a lot of people rescued.

1652
01:18:00,173 --> 01:18:00,812
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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01:18:01,732 --> 01:18:01,893
Speaker 6: You know.

1654
01:18:01,973 --> 01:18:03,692
Speaker 2: We went out there to add more to talk to

1655
01:18:04,133 --> 01:18:06,173
Speaker 2: you know, some of these some of the crew, paramedics,

1656
01:18:06,372 --> 01:18:10,253
Speaker 2: operations manager highlight. What I find incredible about it is

1657
01:18:10,293 --> 01:18:12,492
Speaker 2: their day is that they prepare everything. They make sure

1658
01:18:12,532 --> 01:18:14,812
Speaker 2: the choppers are safe, all their gears ready, but they

1659
01:18:14,853 --> 01:18:16,372
Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to be called out to.

1660
01:18:16,732 --> 01:18:18,772
Speaker 2: Most people in their day, you basically know what you're

1661
01:18:18,772 --> 01:18:21,173
Speaker 2: going to do. Yeah, but they don't know. And when

1662
01:18:21,213 --> 01:18:24,093
Speaker 2: it's a beacon that goes off, there's no information at

1663
01:18:24,093 --> 01:18:27,572
Speaker 2: all is what they're going to look at, what the

1664
01:18:27,652 --> 01:18:29,412
Speaker 2: conditions are going to be when they get there. They

1665
01:18:29,532 --> 01:18:32,173
Speaker 2: just have to be incredibly competent and ready to deal

1666
01:18:32,253 --> 01:18:33,333
Speaker 2: with whatever comes up.

1667
01:18:33,452 --> 01:18:36,852
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly. So to donate, go to Chopper Appeal dot

1668
01:18:36,933 --> 01:18:39,013
Speaker 3: co dot NZ. Very shortly we're going to have a

1669
01:18:39,093 --> 01:18:42,333
Speaker 3: chat to Seb Grud. He is the head of fundraising

1670
01:18:42,452 --> 01:18:45,053
Speaker 3: for Life Fight and a big part of this organization.

1671
01:18:45,173 --> 01:18:47,372
Speaker 3: But before we get to Seb, we want to hear

1672
01:18:47,372 --> 01:18:49,732
Speaker 3: from you. Have you or a family member ever had

1673
01:18:49,772 --> 01:18:53,612
Speaker 3: to call upon these great kiwis the rescue helicompter when

1674
01:18:53,652 --> 01:18:56,492
Speaker 3: you've been in trouble. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1675
01:18:56,973 --> 01:18:58,173
Speaker 2: You have, Tyler, haven't you?

1676
01:18:58,412 --> 01:18:58,652
Speaker 19: I have?

1677
01:18:59,053 --> 01:19:02,052
Speaker 3: Now I needed to, And talking about personal locator beacons,

1678
01:19:02,053 --> 01:19:04,133
Speaker 3: I had to set one off. This was three years

1679
01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:07,293
Speaker 3: ago during the summer break and I was me and

1680
01:19:07,333 --> 01:19:09,973
Speaker 3: a buddy were hiking Saint James Walkway, which is near

1681
01:19:10,013 --> 01:19:12,173
Speaker 3: the lowest pass. So this is a five day tramp

1682
01:19:12,253 --> 01:19:15,093
Speaker 3: and yeah, lovely, but it's not a difficult tramp.

1683
01:19:15,093 --> 01:19:16,772
Speaker 5: I would say that it's one for the family. It's

1684
01:19:16,812 --> 01:19:18,213
Speaker 5: one for the kids if you want to do it.

1685
01:19:19,213 --> 01:19:22,053
Speaker 3: But we're on day two, and so we'd got to

1686
01:19:22,093 --> 01:19:23,933
Speaker 3: the first heart, stayed the night on our way to

1687
01:19:24,013 --> 01:19:24,652
Speaker 3: the second heart.

1688
01:19:24,692 --> 01:19:27,572
Speaker 5: The second huts called eight a hut, and just in.

1689
01:19:27,652 --> 01:19:30,293
Speaker 3: This beautiful little open field, and as we're walking along,

1690
01:19:30,412 --> 01:19:34,053
Speaker 3: chatting about god knows what, completely flat, nothing around, and

1691
01:19:34,133 --> 01:19:36,932
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I just tripped And I don't

1692
01:19:36,933 --> 01:19:39,253
Speaker 3: even know what I tripped over, but tripped on the track,

1693
01:19:39,612 --> 01:19:43,052
Speaker 3: went over, rolled my ankle and heard a pop wow.

1694
01:19:43,213 --> 01:19:45,852
Speaker 3: And instantly my mate was laughing at me, as he

1695
01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:47,972
Speaker 3: probably should have been. But instantly I thought that pop

1696
01:19:48,053 --> 01:19:51,293
Speaker 3: didn't sound good. So sat down, pulled the sock off,

1697
01:19:51,372 --> 01:19:55,532
Speaker 3: pulled a hiking boot off, and my ankle had ballooned up,

1698
01:19:55,692 --> 01:19:57,253
Speaker 3: and I thought, oh, no, this is not good.

1699
01:19:57,412 --> 01:20:01,412
Speaker 2: So how far were you from the cabin and also

1700
01:20:01,652 --> 01:20:02,452
Speaker 2: what time of day was this?

1701
01:20:02,973 --> 01:20:04,933
Speaker 3: It would have been about midday, so we would have

1702
01:20:05,013 --> 01:20:08,812
Speaker 3: been five hours away from the next hut and probably

1703
01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:11,333
Speaker 3: twelve hours away from the road. And we considered it

1704
01:20:11,372 --> 01:20:14,053
Speaker 3: because we had hiking sticks, and I thought, right, do

1705
01:20:14,173 --> 01:20:15,772
Speaker 3: we do I try and get myself out of here

1706
01:20:15,812 --> 01:20:16,652
Speaker 3: because the hike was over.

1707
01:20:16,772 --> 01:20:17,333
Speaker 20: I knew at that.

1708
01:20:17,372 --> 01:20:19,213
Speaker 3: Point there's no tramping, no carrying on. We're not going

1709
01:20:19,293 --> 01:20:21,412
Speaker 3: to get five days. Yeah, do we go to the

1710
01:20:21,532 --> 01:20:24,093
Speaker 3: hearts and figure out what our nixt move is or

1711
01:20:24,173 --> 01:20:25,133
Speaker 3: do we try And do you.

1712
01:20:25,133 --> 01:20:26,133
Speaker 2: Think you would have been able to make it to

1713
01:20:26,173 --> 01:20:26,412
Speaker 2: the heart?

1714
01:20:26,572 --> 01:20:26,612
Speaker 21: No?

1715
01:20:26,973 --> 01:20:29,452
Speaker 2: No, no, when that rules that out exactly. So how

1716
01:20:29,532 --> 01:20:32,293
Speaker 2: quickly did you make the decision to call in? So

1717
01:20:32,412 --> 01:20:35,612
Speaker 2: you had a personal located beat it lokecon, a personal

1718
01:20:35,973 --> 01:20:40,812
Speaker 2: location beacon, personal locator beacon, personal locator beacon, Yes, yeah,

1719
01:20:41,013 --> 01:20:41,933
Speaker 2: a PLB.

1720
01:20:41,692 --> 01:20:43,452
Speaker 5: PLB yep, So we had one of those, so we.

1721
01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:46,732
Speaker 2: So how long did it take from so you rolled

1722
01:20:46,732 --> 01:20:50,412
Speaker 2: your ankle at twelve yep? And being a key we

1723
01:20:50,532 --> 01:20:53,772
Speaker 2: mail as you are, you'll be going I don't want

1724
01:20:53,812 --> 01:20:56,213
Speaker 2: to make a fastest this enough to call them in yep,

1725
01:20:56,772 --> 01:20:58,253
Speaker 2: and did you M and R for how long?

1726
01:20:58,452 --> 01:21:01,092
Speaker 3: Fifteen minutes intil another group and this was a family

1727
01:21:01,133 --> 01:21:03,652
Speaker 3: with young children who came past, and they pushed me

1728
01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:05,652
Speaker 3: over the edge and say, don't be an idiot, just

1729
01:21:05,732 --> 01:21:06,173
Speaker 3: set it off.

1730
01:21:06,213 --> 01:21:07,732
Speaker 5: There's no way you're going to walk out of here.

1731
01:21:07,772 --> 01:21:09,253
Speaker 3: If you get to the next heart, you're gonna make

1732
01:21:09,293 --> 01:21:12,812
Speaker 3: it way more difficult and complicated for the rescue guys.

1733
01:21:12,853 --> 01:21:14,652
Speaker 3: So I thought, okay, this is the time I'd set

1734
01:21:14,692 --> 01:21:16,732
Speaker 3: it off. And I had this PLB for about six

1735
01:21:16,853 --> 01:21:20,772
Speaker 3: years and got into the open meadow and set it off.

1736
01:21:21,013 --> 01:21:24,333
Speaker 3: And then we waited, and I felt bad, but I

1737
01:21:24,412 --> 01:21:26,492
Speaker 3: started reading a book of all things, because what has.

1738
01:21:26,412 --> 01:21:26,692
Speaker 4: To you do?

1739
01:21:26,812 --> 01:21:27,333
Speaker 5: Why you wait?

1740
01:21:27,572 --> 01:21:29,692
Speaker 3: And it would have been about forty five minutes later

1741
01:21:29,973 --> 01:21:32,612
Speaker 3: that then you start to hear the chopper in the

1742
01:21:32,732 --> 01:21:37,172
Speaker 3: distance and they swoop and had the perfect landing.

1743
01:21:37,492 --> 01:21:39,132
Speaker 5: You could see them checking everything around.

1744
01:21:39,532 --> 01:21:42,412
Speaker 3: There were three people on board, and they told us

1745
01:21:42,492 --> 01:21:44,173
Speaker 3: from the year to say stop where you are, don't

1746
01:21:44,213 --> 01:21:47,253
Speaker 3: come any closer. Then they jump out, run up to us,

1747
01:21:47,652 --> 01:21:50,092
Speaker 3: say what has happened? So I've rolled my handle busted

1748
01:21:50,133 --> 01:21:53,213
Speaker 3: my ankle. Say cool, you're both coming with us, So

1749
01:21:53,372 --> 01:21:55,412
Speaker 3: me and my mate jumped into the chopper.

1750
01:21:55,492 --> 01:21:58,932
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, otherwise wander out by himself. It's pretty born.

1751
01:21:59,053 --> 01:22:01,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. We couldn't do that to him. But

1752
01:22:01,532 --> 01:22:03,732
Speaker 3: here's the cool thing that they did is they had

1753
01:22:03,772 --> 01:22:07,213
Speaker 3: to drop him off to his car. So they took

1754
01:22:07,293 --> 01:22:10,012
Speaker 3: off into the air and flew to Boil Villages where

1755
01:22:10,013 --> 01:22:12,972
Speaker 3: it's called, and dropped down right into the car park,

1756
01:22:13,253 --> 01:22:14,972
Speaker 3: dropped him off to his car so he could drive

1757
01:22:15,013 --> 01:22:16,213
Speaker 3: back to christ Church, and then took me.

1758
01:22:16,213 --> 01:22:17,412
Speaker 5: Straight to christ Church Hospital.

1759
01:22:18,053 --> 01:22:20,372
Speaker 3: And it turned out I'd had I'd fractured my ankle

1760
01:22:20,572 --> 01:22:23,532
Speaker 3: and torn a ligament, so there was no it was

1761
01:22:23,572 --> 01:22:24,052
Speaker 3: a fracture.

1762
01:22:24,133 --> 01:22:25,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, fracture right, So there was no way.

1763
01:22:26,013 --> 01:22:27,532
Speaker 2: There's no way you were getting out of there because

1764
01:22:27,692 --> 01:22:30,333
Speaker 2: because initially we told the story, I laughed at you

1765
01:22:30,452 --> 01:22:33,093
Speaker 2: and I said that that what were you doing? You

1766
01:22:33,173 --> 01:22:35,973
Speaker 2: know that that this isn't enough of an emergency. But

1767
01:22:36,053 --> 01:22:39,492
Speaker 2: I was totally wrong because when we were talking to Callum,

1768
01:22:39,532 --> 01:22:43,772
Speaker 2: whose operations manager for Wispect Rescue how they copied out

1769
01:22:43,812 --> 01:22:46,572
Speaker 2: at Aardmore, he said, you did absolutely the right thing,

1770
01:22:46,812 --> 01:22:49,732
Speaker 2: and Ian calling it fifteen minutes later, rather than he said,

1771
01:22:49,732 --> 01:22:51,732
Speaker 2: the worst thing is people m and r about it

1772
01:22:51,772 --> 01:22:54,253
Speaker 2: for a very long time and then it's getting late

1773
01:22:54,293 --> 01:22:55,852
Speaker 2: and it just makes it difficult. So he was like,

1774
01:22:55,933 --> 01:22:57,652
Speaker 2: what you were doing, it was the right thing. You

1775
01:22:57,732 --> 01:23:01,572
Speaker 2: made the right assessment and and you know there was

1776
01:23:01,612 --> 01:23:03,812
Speaker 2: no reason for you to be embarrassed or humiliated. You

1777
01:23:04,412 --> 01:23:06,812
Speaker 2: The system worked. You need it, you needed help and

1778
01:23:06,853 --> 01:23:10,452
Speaker 2: they got you out. Soies for laughing and geting you week.

1779
01:23:10,692 --> 01:23:12,812
Speaker 3: I needed that apology, thank you very much. But I

1780
01:23:12,853 --> 01:23:15,452
Speaker 3: will say cool of me. I wasn't cool of you, mate,

1781
01:23:15,492 --> 01:23:18,213
Speaker 3: And thankfully the stuff told you that. When we get

1782
01:23:18,253 --> 01:23:20,372
Speaker 3: it to them on Monday, I was humbled. But I

1783
01:23:20,452 --> 01:23:21,852
Speaker 3: will say you know when I jumped in and I

1784
01:23:21,973 --> 01:23:24,133
Speaker 3: was feeling embarrassed, not anymore. But when I jumped into

1785
01:23:24,173 --> 01:23:27,213
Speaker 3: the helicopter and we're flying back and the hid paramedics

1786
01:23:27,253 --> 01:23:30,253
Speaker 3: said to me, he said, don't let this ever stop

1787
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:32,412
Speaker 3: you tramping. You need to get out there and enjoy

1788
01:23:32,572 --> 01:23:34,612
Speaker 3: the wildlife. And you did the right right thing and

1789
01:23:34,732 --> 01:23:37,213
Speaker 3: this beautiful country of ours, but don't ever let it

1790
01:23:37,253 --> 01:23:38,452
Speaker 3: put you off tramping any.

1791
01:23:38,372 --> 01:23:41,692
Speaker 2: I is remember that absolutely, So you want to be safe.

1792
01:23:42,372 --> 01:23:45,612
Speaker 2: Good on you for having a PLB. Absolutely, if you're

1793
01:23:45,612 --> 01:23:47,973
Speaker 2: out in the water, do all those right things, tell

1794
01:23:48,013 --> 01:23:52,133
Speaker 2: people where you're going to be, you know, have a locator. Absolutely.

1795
01:23:52,333 --> 01:23:54,933
Speaker 2: But the reason, one of the reasons why we have

1796
01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:57,772
Speaker 2: you know, and we're lucky enough to have these wispect

1797
01:23:57,853 --> 01:24:00,532
Speaker 2: rescue shoppers is because we live in this beautiful country

1798
01:24:00,532 --> 01:24:02,532
Speaker 2: and we want to enjoy it. And most of the

1799
01:24:02,612 --> 01:24:04,452
Speaker 2: time things are going to be okay, but sometimes they're

1800
01:24:04,492 --> 01:24:06,652
Speaker 2: going to go wrong. So thank goodness we've got these

1801
01:24:06,692 --> 01:24:08,852
Speaker 2: people that, these great New Zealanders that will will help

1802
01:24:08,933 --> 01:24:11,412
Speaker 2: us when when we get things a little bit when

1803
01:24:11,452 --> 01:24:12,213
Speaker 2: we were but unlucky.

1804
01:24:12,333 --> 01:24:13,892
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and we want to hear your stories.

1805
01:24:13,933 --> 01:24:15,612
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if you or

1806
01:24:15,652 --> 01:24:17,893
Speaker 3: a family member have ever had to set off a

1807
01:24:17,973 --> 01:24:21,772
Speaker 3: PLB or required the services of the rescue helicopter, give

1808
01:24:21,853 --> 01:24:24,812
Speaker 3: us a buzz. Love to hear what happened and why

1809
01:24:24,893 --> 01:24:27,092
Speaker 3: you needed to set off that PLB and what happened

1810
01:24:27,133 --> 01:24:29,052
Speaker 3: when you're rescued by these great New Zealanders.

1811
01:24:29,333 --> 01:24:34,173
Speaker 2: And Tyler Dude says this Texter Dude says, James, you

1812
01:24:34,293 --> 01:24:37,133
Speaker 2: live in New Zealand, not the USA. It's called tramping here,

1813
01:24:37,293 --> 01:24:37,932
Speaker 2: not hiking.

1814
01:24:38,173 --> 01:24:38,333
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1815
01:24:38,452 --> 01:24:42,572
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's controversial there and James's spot on, But I

1816
01:24:42,692 --> 01:24:43,532
Speaker 5: kind of like hiking.

1817
01:24:45,093 --> 01:24:47,253
Speaker 2: When the Americans go hiking, it can just be a

1818
01:24:47,412 --> 01:24:50,213
Speaker 2: one kilometer walk, yeah, but tramping su is just a proper,

1819
01:24:50,772 --> 01:24:51,372
Speaker 2: proper mish.

1820
01:24:51,492 --> 01:24:51,972
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.

1821
01:24:52,133 --> 01:24:54,093
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1822
01:24:54,213 --> 01:24:55,932
Speaker 3: number call coming up. We're going to have a chat

1823
01:24:56,013 --> 01:24:58,572
Speaker 3: to Seb Grud. He is the head of fundraising for

1824
01:24:58,732 --> 01:25:01,213
Speaker 3: Life Fight. But keen to get your stories. It is

1825
01:25:01,293 --> 01:25:06,093
Speaker 3: fourteen past three, very good afternoons. It is seventeen past three.

1826
01:25:06,213 --> 01:25:09,133
Speaker 3: So joining us now is Seb Grud. He is the

1827
01:25:09,213 --> 01:25:12,772
Speaker 3: head of fundraising for Life Flight in Wellington. He's a

1828
01:25:12,812 --> 01:25:14,652
Speaker 3: good man and he joins us now get a set.

1829
01:25:15,772 --> 01:25:18,013
Speaker 26: Gooday, thanks so much for having me. Great to be

1830
01:25:18,133 --> 01:25:18,612
Speaker 26: with you guys.

1831
01:25:19,013 --> 01:25:21,452
Speaker 2: Now your work is head of the fundraising for the

1832
01:25:21,492 --> 01:25:24,652
Speaker 2: Life Flight sounds incredibly impactful. Is there a memorable story

1833
01:25:24,853 --> 01:25:27,213
Speaker 2: of a rescue that's particularly touched you?

1834
01:25:28,973 --> 01:25:31,652
Speaker 26: Sure, Look, they're all special, but being a young father,

1835
01:25:32,293 --> 01:25:35,732
Speaker 26: the ones that are for the little ones are probably

1836
01:25:35,772 --> 01:25:38,293
Speaker 26: the most moving for me. And it's a real privilege

1837
01:25:38,293 --> 01:25:40,133
Speaker 26: when our patients choose to keep in touch and they

1838
01:25:40,213 --> 01:25:43,213
Speaker 26: share this. So I've just recently reminded of one actually,

1839
01:25:43,293 --> 01:25:46,612
Speaker 26: and it involved little twins girls born prematurely on a

1840
01:25:46,692 --> 01:25:49,732
Speaker 26: rural farm nearby. This is like two in the morning,

1841
01:25:50,093 --> 01:25:52,572
Speaker 26: rarely urgent stuff. They've got to get to Wellington Hospital

1842
01:25:52,612 --> 01:25:55,452
Speaker 26: minutes at stake, and this is where we've got crew

1843
01:25:55,692 --> 01:25:58,572
Speaker 26: on base and crew quarters asleep, ready to fly twenty

1844
01:25:58,572 --> 01:26:01,372
Speaker 26: four to seven. So they're kicking to gear and with

1845
01:26:01,572 --> 01:26:03,532
Speaker 26: thanks to the night vision goggles, we're able to land

1846
01:26:03,572 --> 01:26:06,772
Speaker 26: in the backyard. And you can imagine the relief that

1847
01:26:06,933 --> 01:26:09,732
Speaker 26: the family had when they those chopper blades. They knew

1848
01:26:09,772 --> 01:26:12,572
Speaker 26: help was there and their babies would be okay. And

1849
01:26:13,093 --> 01:26:14,732
Speaker 26: you know, a long story short, We're able to get

1850
01:26:14,732 --> 01:26:17,372
Speaker 26: them to care and they sent me this photo and

1851
01:26:17,452 --> 01:26:20,932
Speaker 26: I had these two girls now like zany, happy, full

1852
01:26:21,013 --> 01:26:23,612
Speaker 26: of life, and that gives you a really good feeling.

1853
01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:24,572
Speaker 26: I'm sure you can imagine.

1854
01:26:24,732 --> 01:26:26,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I mean, it would have been pretty incredible

1855
01:26:26,772 --> 01:26:29,173
Speaker 3: getting that photo after that sort of rescue. So, Seb,

1856
01:26:29,293 --> 01:26:32,053
Speaker 3: I hear you enjoy a bit of surfing in your

1857
01:26:32,173 --> 01:26:36,572
Speaker 3: downtime during your surfing missions, have you ever needed the

1858
01:26:36,652 --> 01:26:37,612
Speaker 3: help of the rescue chopping?

1859
01:26:38,612 --> 01:26:40,612
Speaker 26: Good question. So, I mean, like a lot of careers

1860
01:26:40,772 --> 01:26:42,572
Speaker 26: love the ocean, but it does take you to some

1861
01:26:42,652 --> 01:26:46,452
Speaker 26: pretty remote spots, whether you're diving, swimming, surfing, fishing, or

1862
01:26:46,532 --> 01:26:49,412
Speaker 26: maybe definitely not hiking, but maybe tramping on a proper muss,

1863
01:26:49,492 --> 01:26:53,293
Speaker 26: you might say. But A yeah, I wasn't there to stay,

1864
01:26:53,333 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 26: but a friend of mine has actually needed it. It

1865
01:26:55,372 --> 01:26:58,172
Speaker 26: was a really bad surfing accident, a really terrible situation,

1866
01:26:58,772 --> 01:27:02,213
Speaker 26: just an unlucky thing that could happen to anybody. And now, look,

1867
01:27:02,213 --> 01:27:04,812
Speaker 26: I'll be blacklisted by the surfing community if i reveal

1868
01:27:04,853 --> 01:27:06,893
Speaker 26: the secret spots on air. So I can't tell you

1869
01:27:06,973 --> 01:27:08,852
Speaker 26: where this was, but rest is your This is like

1870
01:27:08,973 --> 01:27:12,293
Speaker 26: pretty remote, can't easily get there with a car. Serious.

1871
01:27:12,452 --> 01:27:16,092
Speaker 26: So our lovely chief pilot Harry was at the controls

1872
01:27:16,133 --> 01:27:18,093
Speaker 26: that day. He managed to touch the chopper down right

1873
01:27:18,213 --> 01:27:21,772
Speaker 26: next to where this guy was. We're really fortunate he

1874
01:27:21,812 --> 01:27:24,253
Speaker 26: didn't drown. As one of our maides, it's had a

1875
01:27:24,293 --> 01:27:25,973
Speaker 26: happy ending. But this is a close thing. And I

1876
01:27:26,013 --> 01:27:28,053
Speaker 26: actually saw this guy out in the water just a

1877
01:27:28,093 --> 01:27:30,732
Speaker 26: few weeks ago when we were surfing, and it's a

1878
01:27:30,812 --> 01:27:33,293
Speaker 26: moment where nothing needs to be said, but you know,

1879
01:27:33,372 --> 01:27:35,372
Speaker 26: you see someone like that able to go home to

1880
01:27:35,412 --> 01:27:38,972
Speaker 26: their families, making the most of life, happy and healthy

1881
01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:41,253
Speaker 26: and yeah for me that one, that one cut pretty

1882
01:27:41,253 --> 01:27:41,692
Speaker 26: close to him.

1883
01:27:41,812 --> 01:27:43,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking to see grud He had a fundraising

1884
01:27:43,933 --> 01:27:46,972
Speaker 2: for life Flight. What inspired you to work and rescue

1885
01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:48,053
Speaker 2: chopper fundraising?

1886
01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:51,452
Speaker 26: Well, fun fundraising has to best drive in the world.

1887
01:27:52,133 --> 01:27:55,852
Speaker 26: But it can be super challenging, but it's especially in

1888
01:27:55,893 --> 01:27:59,132
Speaker 26: the current economic climate, but it's it's an awesome, awesome

1889
01:27:59,173 --> 01:28:00,772
Speaker 26: thing to be part of. I've worked here at life

1890
01:28:00,812 --> 01:28:03,133
Speaker 26: Flight supporting the westpat Chopper for over a decade and

1891
01:28:04,452 --> 01:28:07,173
Speaker 26: it's an industry that I fell into twenty years ago

1892
01:28:07,253 --> 01:28:09,253
Speaker 26: where my lovely partner and I came home from are

1893
01:28:09,333 --> 01:28:12,933
Speaker 26: We and you know, it's a job that I've just

1894
01:28:13,053 --> 01:28:16,372
Speaker 26: loved ever since. We get to deal with amazing people

1895
01:28:16,412 --> 01:28:19,253
Speaker 26: as fundraisers and there's a lot of doom and gloom

1896
01:28:19,293 --> 01:28:21,892
Speaker 26: out there, unsettling stuff that's going on in the world,

1897
01:28:21,973 --> 01:28:24,333
Speaker 26: and the cool thing about my job is it's a

1898
01:28:24,412 --> 01:28:26,372
Speaker 26: real antidote to that. I get to deal with these

1899
01:28:26,412 --> 01:28:29,772
Speaker 26: amazing kiwis. They're soul of the earth, generous people. They

1900
01:28:29,893 --> 01:28:32,452
Speaker 26: donate just because they're kind, people who care. They want

1901
01:28:32,492 --> 01:28:34,372
Speaker 26: to make a difference, they want to help their fellow kiwis.

1902
01:28:34,412 --> 01:28:37,333
Speaker 26: They want to keep our respect chopper flying, and you

1903
01:28:37,412 --> 01:28:39,133
Speaker 26: know it gives you a lot of hope dealing with

1904
01:28:39,213 --> 01:28:41,333
Speaker 26: all these people that are doing these good deeds and

1905
01:28:41,412 --> 01:28:42,492
Speaker 26: sort of helping them do that.

1906
01:28:43,772 --> 01:28:47,133
Speaker 2: Who can call a WESPEC rescue chopper And what should

1907
01:28:47,173 --> 01:28:50,052
Speaker 2: kiwis know about how to use the WESPEC rescue choppers

1908
01:28:50,053 --> 01:28:51,812
Speaker 2: if they should need help for an accent or a

1909
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:55,213
Speaker 2: medical event. And what should they do in advance of

1910
01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:57,692
Speaker 2: going out, say on the water on the bush, so

1911
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:00,772
Speaker 2: they can get hold of the Wistpac rescue choppers if

1912
01:29:00,812 --> 01:29:01,253
Speaker 2: they need them.

1913
01:29:02,372 --> 01:29:05,492
Speaker 26: It's a good question. So one one one is obviously

1914
01:29:05,612 --> 01:29:09,093
Speaker 26: your number one port of call, and those lovely call

1915
01:29:09,213 --> 01:29:12,772
Speaker 26: takers who are there day or night can determine whether

1916
01:29:12,893 --> 01:29:16,532
Speaker 26: a Westpac chopper or another emergency helicopters the right way

1917
01:29:16,572 --> 01:29:19,572
Speaker 26: to your help. The other thing that people can do

1918
01:29:19,812 --> 01:29:23,053
Speaker 26: is there's amazing resources from the Mountain Safety Council and

1919
01:29:23,133 --> 01:29:26,293
Speaker 26: other safety outfits in New Zealand who can educate you

1920
01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:28,612
Speaker 26: about getting a personal locate to beacon. I heard you

1921
01:29:28,652 --> 01:29:32,692
Speaker 26: guys digging up the PLBs briefly before. Thank you. They're

1922
01:29:32,812 --> 01:29:35,572
Speaker 26: so awesome. They only cost a few hundred dollars. Now

1923
01:29:35,652 --> 01:29:37,812
Speaker 26: if you've got a loved one that goes into the outdoors,

1924
01:29:37,893 --> 01:29:41,133
Speaker 26: it's a great Christmas present. The neat thing you can

1925
01:29:41,173 --> 01:29:42,093
Speaker 26: do is register them.

1926
01:29:42,253 --> 01:29:43,053
Speaker 20: Please do that.

1927
01:29:43,213 --> 01:29:45,852
Speaker 26: That gives us background information about how to reach your

1928
01:29:45,933 --> 01:29:48,852
Speaker 26: next of kin. When it pings, we actually can find

1929
01:29:48,893 --> 01:29:51,372
Speaker 26: out who you are, maybe some medical goodnitions you might have.

1930
01:29:51,893 --> 01:29:53,772
Speaker 26: Maybe there's a next of kin that we can phone

1931
01:29:53,812 --> 01:29:56,372
Speaker 26: to find out who you might be with. That's really helpful.

1932
01:29:57,253 --> 01:29:59,253
Speaker 26: But then all of you got outdoor stuff, let people

1933
01:29:59,293 --> 01:30:02,933
Speaker 26: know your intentions, check the weather prep gear accordingly and

1934
01:30:03,333 --> 01:30:05,652
Speaker 26: use common sense. Is there anyone could call one one

1935
01:30:05,732 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 26: one and anyone can ping a locate to beacon if

1936
01:30:07,853 --> 01:30:08,293
Speaker 26: they need help?

1937
01:30:08,532 --> 01:30:08,732
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1938
01:30:08,812 --> 01:30:09,052
Speaker 5: Great?

1939
01:30:09,572 --> 01:30:11,612
Speaker 3: Is there a bit of you know this, she'll be

1940
01:30:11,772 --> 01:30:13,852
Speaker 3: right attitude that still needs to be broken down a

1941
01:30:13,893 --> 01:30:15,812
Speaker 3: little bit step that if you've got the phone that's

1942
01:30:15,853 --> 01:30:18,052
Speaker 3: in rangeer, you've got the PLB and you get yourself

1943
01:30:18,093 --> 01:30:20,452
Speaker 3: into a bit of strife, that it is better safe

1944
01:30:20,492 --> 01:30:23,333
Speaker 3: than sorry, that if you are feeling that you are

1945
01:30:23,412 --> 01:30:26,053
Speaker 3: in a dangerous situation, to just set it off rather

1946
01:30:26,173 --> 01:30:29,213
Speaker 3: than keep trying to move forward or get yourself out

1947
01:30:29,253 --> 01:30:31,333
Speaker 3: of there, because sometimes that can make things a bit

1948
01:30:31,412 --> 01:30:34,452
Speaker 3: more challenging for the group generally.

1949
01:30:34,532 --> 01:30:36,452
Speaker 26: Look, putting your hand up and saying you need help

1950
01:30:36,492 --> 01:30:39,253
Speaker 26: in life, whether that's an emergency situation or otherwise, is

1951
01:30:39,293 --> 01:30:41,732
Speaker 26: the right thing to do early rather than trying to

1952
01:30:41,812 --> 01:30:43,772
Speaker 26: tough it out. So yep, I think if you're not sure,

1953
01:30:44,572 --> 01:30:47,612
Speaker 26: call one one one, or worst case, pull that locator beacon.

1954
01:30:47,652 --> 01:30:49,532
Speaker 26: Don't wait, as sooner we know what's happening. As sooner

1955
01:30:49,612 --> 01:30:51,173
Speaker 26: we can find the best way to come and help

1956
01:30:51,213 --> 01:30:51,492
Speaker 26: you out.

1957
01:30:51,572 --> 01:30:54,612
Speaker 2: We're till going to seb grud. Oh sorry you continue, No.

1958
01:30:54,732 --> 01:30:56,652
Speaker 26: That's fine, I'm just going to interest. That shall be

1959
01:30:56,772 --> 01:30:57,013
Speaker 26: right thing.

1960
01:30:57,053 --> 01:30:57,452
Speaker 20: I'd say.

1961
01:30:57,692 --> 01:31:00,213
Speaker 26: You know, the majority of people that we fly, they

1962
01:31:00,293 --> 01:31:03,852
Speaker 26: have just gotten in an unlucky situation. And you know,

1963
01:31:04,093 --> 01:31:06,852
Speaker 26: anyone can have a heart attack or a stroke out

1964
01:31:06,933 --> 01:31:09,372
Speaker 26: of the blow any now that might be in an

1965
01:31:09,412 --> 01:31:12,892
Speaker 26: outdoor scenario or not so, or a car accident. These

1966
01:31:12,933 --> 01:31:14,412
Speaker 26: things can happen to any of us. So that the

1967
01:31:14,492 --> 01:31:17,612
Speaker 26: Shelby right thing, I think is not I don't see

1968
01:31:17,652 --> 01:31:19,452
Speaker 26: too much of that, but sure it's out there. We're

1969
01:31:19,452 --> 01:31:19,972
Speaker 26: all keywies.

1970
01:31:20,652 --> 01:31:23,333
Speaker 2: We're talking to see Grued, head of fundraising for Lifeline.

1971
01:31:23,412 --> 01:31:26,852
Speaker 2: How important are donations to the operations of rescue choppers

1972
01:31:27,053 --> 01:31:27,933
Speaker 2: and New Zealand.

1973
01:31:27,732 --> 01:31:32,572
Speaker 26: Said utterly, utterly, So you know there's a there's a

1974
01:31:32,692 --> 01:31:36,572
Speaker 26: several thousand dollars shortfall and funding every time we head

1975
01:31:36,612 --> 01:31:39,253
Speaker 26: out to help somebody, and we're really lucky to have

1976
01:31:39,412 --> 01:31:42,532
Speaker 26: companies like Westpac behind us. They've been sponsoring us for

1977
01:31:42,772 --> 01:31:46,012
Speaker 26: forty four years. A fantastic and I'm sure I've already

1978
01:31:46,053 --> 01:31:48,093
Speaker 26: mentioned it, but they've got the Westpac Chopper Appeal if

1979
01:31:48,133 --> 01:31:50,692
Speaker 26: I can just beg it up right now, they're raising

1980
01:31:50,732 --> 01:31:53,372
Speaker 26: funds for all of New Zealand's rescue helicopters. People can

1981
01:31:53,412 --> 01:31:55,812
Speaker 26: donate at Chopper Appeal dot co dot and z and

1982
01:31:55,893 --> 01:31:58,252
Speaker 26: from there they can just choose their local rescue helicopter

1983
01:31:58,412 --> 01:32:01,133
Speaker 26: that they want to support. That money comes straight to us.

1984
01:32:01,253 --> 01:32:04,372
Speaker 26: Without that, we can't fly. That covers costs like fuel, maintenance,

1985
01:32:04,853 --> 01:32:07,372
Speaker 26: wages for our life savers, and helps us buy equipment

1986
01:32:07,532 --> 01:32:10,253
Speaker 26: like you knows harnesses and patient bing tolay. That's all

1987
01:32:10,293 --> 01:32:12,772
Speaker 26: that critical stuff. So without the keywis, we can't keep going.

1988
01:32:13,013 --> 01:32:16,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, Seb, We've loved chatting with you. Thank you very much.

1989
01:32:16,253 --> 01:32:17,093
Speaker 5: Keep up the good work.

1990
01:32:17,173 --> 01:32:20,213
Speaker 3: It's an amazing organization and you work with amazing people.

1991
01:32:20,293 --> 01:32:22,013
Speaker 3: We love catching up with some of those people on

1992
01:32:22,093 --> 01:32:24,093
Speaker 3: Monday and we'll catch up again soon.

1993
01:32:25,293 --> 01:32:28,892
Speaker 26: Thanks so much, guys. Big love to everyone WHISPEC concluding

1994
01:32:28,893 --> 01:32:31,533
Speaker 26: and all the others who support us. We just appreciate

1995
01:32:31,612 --> 01:32:33,372
Speaker 26: you all. And it's just a quick shout out to

1996
01:32:33,412 --> 01:32:36,133
Speaker 26: my amazing partner Sarah. Love you, darling. I'm going to

1997
01:32:36,173 --> 01:32:38,293
Speaker 26: be home late. I'm going to a respect fundraising quiz

1998
01:32:38,372 --> 01:32:39,173
Speaker 26: for the chopper appeal.

1999
01:32:39,612 --> 01:32:42,412
Speaker 5: Nicely done. See if you're a good man. That is Seb.

2000
01:32:43,372 --> 01:32:46,253
Speaker 3: That is Seb Grudd, the head of fundraising at Life

2001
01:32:46,293 --> 01:32:50,053
Speaker 3: Flight Wellington, part of the WESPEC Rescue Helicopter Network. How

2002
01:32:50,133 --> 01:32:52,572
Speaker 3: do people donate, Tyler Well, Maddie, they can go to

2003
01:32:52,692 --> 01:32:55,772
Speaker 3: tropa Appeal dot co dot z go there now. They

2004
01:32:55,933 --> 01:32:59,452
Speaker 3: need our support and they rely on funding to save

2005
01:32:59,572 --> 01:33:02,812
Speaker 3: good kiwis like yourself. If you've ever needed them, and

2006
01:33:02,853 --> 01:33:04,372
Speaker 3: I was going to say myself, I'm a good Kiwi.

2007
01:33:04,452 --> 01:33:06,532
Speaker 3: I think so when I needed saving they helped me out.

2008
01:33:06,692 --> 01:33:07,412
Speaker 2: You're above average.

2009
01:33:07,492 --> 01:33:10,012
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you mate. It's twenty five past three.

2010
01:33:11,492 --> 01:33:15,293
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk man Ethan Taylor Adams Afternoon

2011
01:33:15,532 --> 01:33:18,173
Speaker 1: with a west Pak Chopper Appeal. Help keep this sound

2012
01:33:18,333 --> 01:33:22,653
Speaker 1: in the sky. Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk, say'd.

2013
01:33:22,412 --> 01:33:24,652
Speaker 3: Be it's twenty eight past three and it is the

2014
01:33:24,692 --> 01:33:27,932
Speaker 3: worst pank. Chopper Appeal it is on right now. To donate,

2015
01:33:27,933 --> 01:33:29,532
Speaker 3: go to Chopper Appeal dot co dot nz.

2016
01:33:31,093 --> 01:33:34,053
Speaker 2: I'm there right now. I'm there right now, donating right now.

2017
01:33:34,893 --> 01:33:35,893
Speaker 5: And how much do you put in it?

2018
01:33:36,933 --> 01:33:36,973
Speaker 13: That?

2019
01:33:37,173 --> 01:33:39,452
Speaker 2: Look, there's there's some options here. I look, I'm going

2020
01:33:39,532 --> 01:33:41,133
Speaker 2: to start with it to I'll just ease into it

2021
01:33:41,213 --> 01:33:43,532
Speaker 2: with a fifty yep, yeah, to go to fifty Yeah,

2022
01:33:43,572 --> 01:33:44,892
Speaker 2: good man, Maybe work my way up.

2023
01:33:45,013 --> 01:33:46,772
Speaker 5: That's a good amount. Fifty bucks is a good amount

2024
01:33:47,013 --> 01:33:48,013
Speaker 5: that will go a long way. Wow.

2025
01:33:48,572 --> 01:33:50,932
Speaker 2: Look if I was, if I was a dishonest broadcaster,

2026
01:33:51,013 --> 01:33:52,532
Speaker 2: I could have lied there and see it five hundred.

2027
01:33:53,013 --> 01:33:55,932
Speaker 2: But you know thirty fifty, one hundred and two hundred,

2028
01:33:56,532 --> 01:33:59,293
Speaker 2: you know, five hundred custom amount. What do you want?

2029
01:33:59,372 --> 01:33:59,572
Speaker 6: Yeap?

2030
01:33:59,652 --> 01:34:03,173
Speaker 3: Massive donate something, yeah, massively important. It's a great organization.

2031
01:34:03,612 --> 01:34:05,572
Speaker 3: But we've asked for your stories. Oh, eight hundred eighty

2032
01:34:05,652 --> 01:34:08,132
Speaker 3: ten eighty. When have you needed to call the rescue

2033
01:34:08,933 --> 01:34:11,452
Speaker 3: for yourself or a family member or a friend and

2034
01:34:11,572 --> 01:34:14,852
Speaker 3: what happened? Love to have a chat with you, Brittany,

2035
01:34:15,853 --> 01:34:18,333
Speaker 3: You've got a story about needing to call the rescue chopper.

2036
01:34:20,253 --> 01:34:20,452
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2037
01:34:20,532 --> 01:34:23,532
Speaker 11: I didn't call it, my dad did, but I thought

2038
01:34:23,572 --> 01:34:25,133
Speaker 11: it was a good story.

2039
01:34:25,013 --> 01:34:26,892
Speaker 5: To call in about tell us more.

2040
01:34:28,452 --> 01:34:30,932
Speaker 11: So when I was a lot younger I'm thirty now,

2041
01:34:31,732 --> 01:34:34,412
Speaker 11: my brother he actually fell out of the tree in

2042
01:34:34,532 --> 01:34:36,372
Speaker 11: Coromandel Town, the pepper tree.

2043
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:39,412
Speaker 2: Ah, wow, I love Coromandel Town.

2044
01:34:40,612 --> 01:34:40,812
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2045
01:34:41,812 --> 01:34:46,372
Speaker 11: So he felt faced birth and they called that ambulance

2046
01:34:46,532 --> 01:34:50,052
Speaker 11: and my dad actually wanted the Westpac there, the helicopter.

2047
01:34:50,412 --> 01:34:50,612
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2048
01:34:51,492 --> 01:34:53,253
Speaker 11: And if he went in the ambulance, he would have

2049
01:34:53,372 --> 01:34:55,372
Speaker 11: he would have made it. So he actually died in

2050
01:34:55,452 --> 01:34:57,253
Speaker 11: the helicopter and they brought him back to life.

2051
01:34:57,492 --> 01:35:02,652
Speaker 2: Wow, oh my goodness. And so how long did it?

2052
01:35:02,853 --> 01:35:02,893
Speaker 15: So?

2053
01:35:03,053 --> 01:35:04,612
Speaker 2: How did how did you call in? You called one

2054
01:35:04,652 --> 01:35:06,692
Speaker 2: one one was it? Or your father called one one one?

2055
01:35:07,452 --> 01:35:08,173
Speaker 13: Yeah, my dad?

2056
01:35:08,372 --> 01:35:10,173
Speaker 11: Yeah. Well I was the first one to see it,

2057
01:35:10,213 --> 01:35:13,132
Speaker 11: and I ran inside to get my parents and my parents'

2058
01:35:13,213 --> 01:35:17,173
Speaker 11: friends because it was both my brothers and me and

2059
01:35:17,253 --> 01:35:18,532
Speaker 11: the tree were all climbing it.

2060
01:35:18,853 --> 01:35:19,053
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2061
01:35:19,973 --> 01:35:22,612
Speaker 2: How was how old was your brother at this point, Brittany?

2062
01:35:23,492 --> 01:35:25,812
Speaker 11: I think he was about seven?

2063
01:35:26,213 --> 01:35:28,532
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah right, So they must have been terrifying

2064
01:35:28,612 --> 01:35:30,372
Speaker 2: for you. So did he hit the ground and you

2065
01:35:30,532 --> 01:35:32,333
Speaker 2: just went, there's something seriously wrong here.

2066
01:35:33,572 --> 01:35:36,173
Speaker 11: Well, he fell face first, and I just know everyone

2067
01:35:36,293 --> 01:35:38,973
Speaker 11: forgot that. I was there for a second and they

2068
01:35:39,053 --> 01:35:42,333
Speaker 11: moved like pulled him around, and yeah, his face was

2069
01:35:42,412 --> 01:35:45,173
Speaker 11: quite bad. And I just remember saying he was going

2070
01:35:45,213 --> 01:35:49,093
Speaker 11: to turn into a peg because I was so little. Yeah, yeah,

2071
01:35:49,253 --> 01:35:51,692
Speaker 11: so it was quite traumatizing for me. But it was

2072
01:35:51,732 --> 01:35:53,053
Speaker 11: actually on my birthday as well.

2073
01:35:53,173 --> 01:35:56,972
Speaker 3: Oh no, and so and so when your dad called

2074
01:35:57,013 --> 01:36:00,492
Speaker 3: one one one, how long before you saw the chopper

2075
01:36:00,532 --> 01:36:01,333
Speaker 3: coming in the distance.

2076
01:36:02,572 --> 01:36:05,613
Speaker 11: It was so quiet, like they got there before the ambulance.

2077
01:36:05,772 --> 01:36:08,133
Speaker 11: So and my mom went in there with them. So yeah,

2078
01:36:08,133 --> 01:36:08,932
Speaker 11: it was really quick.

2079
01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:12,572
Speaker 2: And how is your brother now? Did you know? And

2080
01:36:12,652 --> 01:36:13,572
Speaker 2: how was his recovery?

2081
01:36:14,893 --> 01:36:17,213
Speaker 11: He had to get like classic surgery and stuff on

2082
01:36:17,253 --> 01:36:20,612
Speaker 11: his space, so it was quite bad and he was

2083
01:36:20,692 --> 01:36:21,892
Speaker 11: in hospital for a quite.

2084
01:36:21,732 --> 01:36:22,253
Speaker 25: A long time.

2085
01:36:24,173 --> 01:36:25,932
Speaker 11: But I remember he had I can't remember the name

2086
01:36:25,973 --> 01:36:27,253
Speaker 11: of the Robbie player, but he had one of the

2087
01:36:27,333 --> 01:36:29,333
Speaker 11: Robbie players go on and see him and stuff while

2088
01:36:29,372 --> 01:36:32,293
Speaker 11: he was in there. But yeah, it would have been

2089
01:36:32,333 --> 01:36:34,852
Speaker 11: a different story if the Westpac wasn't there, he probably

2090
01:36:34,853 --> 01:36:35,772
Speaker 11: wouldn't be here today.

2091
01:36:35,933 --> 01:36:40,213
Speaker 5: So wow, Yeah, that is a great story, Brittany, And

2092
01:36:40,652 --> 01:36:41,013
Speaker 5: you're right.

2093
01:36:41,133 --> 01:36:43,372
Speaker 3: You know, that's why we're asking for these stories, is

2094
01:36:43,492 --> 01:36:46,173
Speaker 3: that to have these guys on hands when something like

2095
01:36:46,253 --> 01:36:46,932
Speaker 3: that goes wrong.

2096
01:36:47,853 --> 01:36:48,412
Speaker 5: Life saving.

2097
01:36:48,612 --> 01:36:51,892
Speaker 2: And Brittany, do you do you say to your brother often,

2098
01:36:52,652 --> 01:36:53,412
Speaker 2: I save your life?

2099
01:36:53,492 --> 01:36:53,893
Speaker 6: You owe me?

2100
01:36:56,173 --> 01:36:58,893
Speaker 11: Yeah, I say, he owes me a birthday because you

2101
01:36:59,333 --> 01:36:59,893
Speaker 11: hold on to that.

2102
01:37:00,973 --> 01:37:03,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it sounds like you did the the you

2103
01:37:03,412 --> 01:37:05,692
Speaker 2: know what a what a responsible thing for for a

2104
01:37:05,732 --> 01:37:08,892
Speaker 2: little child to do that. That's phenomenal, Brittany And yeah,

2105
01:37:09,893 --> 01:37:11,492
Speaker 2: so glad they could get there to help you your

2106
01:37:11,532 --> 01:37:11,972
Speaker 2: brother out.

2107
01:37:12,093 --> 01:37:14,173
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's just cool to.

2108
01:37:14,173 --> 01:37:16,333
Speaker 11: See them still, like you know, after all these years,

2109
01:37:16,372 --> 01:37:19,372
Speaker 11: they're still going strong the West Pact. So big up

2110
01:37:19,452 --> 01:37:21,133
Speaker 11: to them because obviously if it wasn't for them, I

2111
01:37:21,173 --> 01:37:22,732
Speaker 11: probably wouldn't have my brother here today.

2112
01:37:22,893 --> 01:37:25,973
Speaker 3: So Brittany so very well said, thank you very much

2113
01:37:26,013 --> 01:37:27,492
Speaker 3: for giving us a buzz and having a chat. Oh

2114
01:37:27,532 --> 01:37:29,652
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty teen eighty is the number to call.

2115
01:37:29,732 --> 01:37:32,652
Speaker 3: There's so many stories coming through on the text machine

2116
01:37:32,652 --> 01:37:34,293
Speaker 3: as well. Nine two ninety two if you want to

2117
01:37:34,293 --> 01:37:34,892
Speaker 3: send a text.

2118
01:37:35,013 --> 01:37:37,772
Speaker 2: I've been delivered to Auckland Hospital by Westpac Rescue chopper

2119
01:37:37,812 --> 01:37:41,372
Speaker 2: after a catastrophic bleed post surgery. I can still see

2120
01:37:41,412 --> 01:37:43,852
Speaker 2: the lovely dock holding the squad britty to stuff down

2121
01:37:43,933 --> 01:37:46,932
Speaker 2: my throat. Should the bleed restart far out?

2122
01:37:47,492 --> 01:37:47,812
Speaker 5: All right?

2123
01:37:47,893 --> 01:37:49,932
Speaker 3: Keep those stories coming through on nine two nine two

2124
01:37:50,013 --> 01:37:52,372
Speaker 3: headlines with rayling coming up. If you can't get through

2125
01:37:52,372 --> 01:37:54,412
Speaker 3: on the phones, keep trying. But oh, eight hundred eighty

2126
01:37:54,452 --> 01:37:55,812
Speaker 3: teen eighty is the number to.

2127
01:37:55,853 --> 01:37:59,253
Speaker 6: Call us talks.

2128
01:37:59,293 --> 01:38:02,932
Speaker 15: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

2129
01:38:03,013 --> 01:38:06,213
Speaker 15: with a blue bubble. The Government's told Auckland Council to

2130
01:38:06,293 --> 01:38:11,173
Speaker 15: allow apartments at fifteen story high near the Mungafoe, Kingsland

2131
01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:15,133
Speaker 15: and Morningside City rail Link train stations. At least ten

2132
01:38:15,253 --> 01:38:18,532
Speaker 15: story apartments will be required around the Mount Albert and

2133
01:38:18,652 --> 01:38:23,412
Speaker 15: Baldwin Avenue stations. The US President has posted a parody

2134
01:38:23,492 --> 01:38:27,213
Speaker 15: of the Beach Boys Barbara Anne, replacing the words with

2135
01:38:27,572 --> 01:38:32,572
Speaker 15: bomb Iran as an uneasy ceasefire holds between Iran and Israel.

2136
01:38:33,652 --> 01:38:37,133
Speaker 15: A bill making the tab Our sole legal provider of

2137
01:38:37,253 --> 01:38:41,612
Speaker 15: online sports and racing betting has passed into law. A

2138
01:38:41,652 --> 01:38:46,173
Speaker 15: seduestion high earning superinuitants could be taxed higher on money

2139
01:38:46,253 --> 01:38:50,892
Speaker 15: earned above the superannuation payment. Twenty twenty three Census data

2140
01:38:50,933 --> 01:38:54,012
Speaker 15: shows twenty four percent of over sixty five still worked

2141
01:38:54,492 --> 01:38:57,612
Speaker 15: nine thousand, pulling in more than two hundred thousand dollars.

2142
01:38:58,893 --> 01:39:03,053
Speaker 15: Our two latest multimillionaires, one from Invercargil, one from Wellington

2143
01:39:03,333 --> 01:39:06,612
Speaker 15: have claimed their half shares and thirty million dollars one

2144
01:39:06,853 --> 01:39:11,172
Speaker 15: in Saturday's Lotto key. We author thought a few friends

2145
01:39:11,412 --> 01:39:15,213
Speaker 15: might buy her book and then it at Amazon's bestseller list.

2146
01:39:15,572 --> 01:39:17,692
Speaker 15: You can see the story at enzid here Ald Premium.

2147
01:39:18,173 --> 01:39:19,772
Speaker 15: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2148
01:39:19,812 --> 01:39:22,013
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty four to

2149
01:39:22,173 --> 01:39:23,492
Speaker 5: for the Westpac Chopper Appeal.

2150
01:39:23,612 --> 01:39:26,492
Speaker 3: It is on right now and they need our help

2151
01:39:27,013 --> 01:39:29,492
Speaker 3: to keep that familiar thump thump noise in the sky.

2152
01:39:29,652 --> 01:39:31,852
Speaker 3: It is a lifeline for so many people. Last year

2153
01:39:31,893 --> 01:39:35,852
Speaker 3: the rescue choppers around the country flew and eighty nine

2154
01:39:35,853 --> 01:39:38,572
Speaker 3: mission sets twenty five people a day, and every donation

2155
01:39:38,732 --> 01:39:42,492
Speaker 3: helps keep those rescue helicompter's flying, saving lives when every

2156
01:39:42,612 --> 01:39:45,612
Speaker 3: second count. So to donate, please go to Chopper Repeal

2157
01:39:45,893 --> 01:39:49,253
Speaker 3: dot co dot nz. It vitally important. They rely on

2158
01:39:49,532 --> 01:39:51,933
Speaker 3: our help and it is such a great organization and

2159
01:39:51,973 --> 01:39:54,612
Speaker 3: great people that are involved as well. Now we are

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Speaker 3: talking about your stories about needing the help of the

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Speaker 3: rescue helicompter.

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Speaker 5: Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number.

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01:39:59,933 --> 01:40:03,133
Speaker 2: To call, Gloria. Ooh gosh, oh my god.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, okay, so quickly, what happens?

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Speaker 12: Mi?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Gloria, Matt was so excited to chat with you

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01:40:11,532 --> 01:40:13,812
Speaker 3: that he came in hot and he's been he's been

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Speaker 3: choking on his beautiful cup of tea. There, Tyler Press,

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Speaker 3: the PLB caught off. We need the chopper to come

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Speaker 3: and rescue Matt.

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Speaker 2: Apologies, Gloria, sorry about that.

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Speaker 27: No, no, that's okay. He I was just standing there

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01:40:28,452 --> 01:40:33,293
Speaker 27: all alive, and he run one one one, and luckily

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Speaker 27: the power came back on, so we had water and he.

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Speaker 2: Glory, can we just go back and saying your hair

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Speaker 2: was on fire?

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Speaker 27: My hair could on fire?

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Speaker 14: Wow?

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Speaker 5: And and how did that happen?

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Speaker 2: Gloria?

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Speaker 27: There was a power of black out all over a plant.

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Speaker 27: We lift a candle and at that time I snowed, disagreed,

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Speaker 27: and I gently bent my head down to light it

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Speaker 27: by the candle, and I put lack on my head

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Speaker 27: to put it out of my eyes. It was down

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Speaker 27: to my should watching me curly food and it just

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01:41:12,293 --> 01:41:17,333
Speaker 27: went through. All I remember was hearing wash, wow, pearful,

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01:41:17,412 --> 01:41:19,852
Speaker 27: and I was standing near. He said, all the light

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01:41:20,372 --> 01:41:23,293
Speaker 27: and luckily for me, the power came back on. He

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Speaker 27: got me in the shower. Apparently he won one one

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Speaker 27: one And at that time we lived in osten Wahiki Island.

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Speaker 27: When you ran one one one, the police and the

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Speaker 27: ambulance came and he my t shirt had burnt into

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Speaker 27: my back. And the next thing I vaguely remember walking

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Speaker 27: out and there was these mean and our lounge, dressed

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Speaker 27: in black and they said to me, here you go, love,

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Speaker 27: put this on to keep your warm. And it was

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Speaker 27: silver and it was a sheet, a boon sheet. And

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Speaker 27: they took me down to Souscar and the Westpac helicopter

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Speaker 27: cat was they're waiting for me. They put me in

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Speaker 27: there and they landed me on the roof of Middlemoor Hospital.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and tell us about your recovery.

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Speaker 27: And you know, man, if you saw at my photos

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01:42:26,452 --> 01:42:29,973
Speaker 27: are horrific. It looks like I did a part in

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01:42:30,053 --> 01:42:33,093
Speaker 27: a horror movie like face. They thought I'd lose an eye.

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01:42:33,853 --> 01:42:38,133
Speaker 27: I lost the top of an ear. The horrific they

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01:42:38,213 --> 01:42:41,852
Speaker 27: gave me a copy of my photos and I came

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Speaker 27: around in the peter and they were trying to put

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Speaker 27: a needle into my hand and I said, no, you

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Speaker 27: can't do that. And the chappie who operated on me,

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Speaker 27: and it wasn't I think it was three weeks later.

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Speaker 27: They waited that amount of time before they used to operate.

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Speaker 27: Then they used to give me a stay line draft

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Speaker 27: every morning, and they put this cream on to eat

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Speaker 27: all the dead feat That was all good. And I've

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01:43:11,652 --> 01:43:14,932
Speaker 27: got I had a big grasp. They had to cut

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Speaker 27: the one out of my back. It's from the center

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Speaker 27: of my knee to the tip of my left shoulder.

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01:43:20,933 --> 01:43:24,212
Speaker 27: It's a big graft on the tough the left shoulder

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Speaker 27: and a grasp down by the wrist. That's what I

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01:43:28,293 --> 01:43:28,812
Speaker 27: had done.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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01:43:29,893 --> 01:43:33,933
Speaker 27: And it was Harry Mellows who operation on me.

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Speaker 2: And how are you now, Gloria, Oh, I'm fine.

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Speaker 27: Now and I'm fine.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's such an amazing story. And thank goodness wist

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Speaker 2: Pac helicopter was there.

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01:43:46,173 --> 01:43:48,092
Speaker 5: Yeah, boy oh boy, how horrific.

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01:43:48,492 --> 01:43:50,973
Speaker 3: And as you say, thankfully the Tropic could come and

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01:43:51,013 --> 01:43:52,733
Speaker 3: whisk it a Middleware hospital.

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01:43:52,812 --> 01:43:57,012
Speaker 2: And these kind of crazy intense things can happen. Yeah,

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01:43:57,213 --> 01:43:59,532
Speaker 2: I really thank you so much for sharing your story, Gloria.

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01:43:59,572 --> 01:44:00,212
Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

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01:44:00,372 --> 01:44:02,213
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty and eighty is the number

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01:44:02,253 --> 01:44:03,852
Speaker 3: to call full lines at the moment. If you can't

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01:44:03,893 --> 01:44:06,092
Speaker 3: get through, keep trying, but love to hear your stories

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01:44:06,133 --> 01:44:08,293
Speaker 3: about when you needed the Westpac Rescue helicopter.

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Speaker 5: It's nineteen to four, the issues.

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Speaker 6: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with the Westpac Chopper Appeal

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Speaker 1: donated Chopper Appeal dot co dot in Ze News talk.

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01:44:21,412 --> 01:44:23,333
Speaker 5: Z'd be yes, good afternoon.

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01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:25,612
Speaker 3: The Westpac Chopper Appeal is on now, which is why

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01:44:25,652 --> 01:44:28,253
Speaker 3: we're chatting about your stories on when you needed to

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01:44:28,492 --> 01:44:31,293
Speaker 3: call the Westpac Chopper to help you out in times

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01:44:31,333 --> 01:44:33,173
Speaker 3: of trouble and man, oh man, we've had so many

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01:44:33,213 --> 01:44:35,372
Speaker 3: stories come through. O.

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01:44:35,452 --> 01:44:37,372
Speaker 5: One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

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01:44:37,853 --> 01:44:41,253
Speaker 2: Dean Welcome to show your experiences with the Westpac Rescue choppers.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:44:42,853 --> 01:44:46,972
Speaker 28: Yeah, so I've had two experiences. The first one one

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01:44:47,133 --> 01:44:50,372
Speaker 28: was with my daughter. We live over a place called

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01:44:50,412 --> 01:44:55,932
Speaker 28: mattacowow Over on the on the RCTI Peninsula. I've led

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01:44:55,973 --> 01:44:59,452
Speaker 28: away a few there, and my daughter was diving off

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Speaker 28: the off the point, or just sort of snorkeling in

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Speaker 28: that she went to dive down and pick something up

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01:45:05,173 --> 01:45:09,412
Speaker 28: that she'd dropped, and a sting ray came and drave

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01:45:09,412 --> 01:45:14,492
Speaker 28: it's barbed through her forearm. So yeah, and as as

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01:45:14,492 --> 01:45:18,772
Speaker 28: you're probably aware of a phil of ammonia, so yeah,

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Speaker 28: and she was sort of going into shock. The they

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01:45:23,572 --> 01:45:25,333
Speaker 28: had us on the line. We never even knew that

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01:45:25,412 --> 01:45:27,492
Speaker 28: the holly was coming. We thawt, an ambulance was on

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01:45:27,572 --> 01:45:30,772
Speaker 28: its faith and then all of a sudden the helicopter

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01:45:30,893 --> 01:45:32,572
Speaker 28: appeared and it was.

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Speaker 10: Great, you know, like super So there was one instance

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Speaker 10: just before you go on to the second one, Dean, Well,

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Speaker 10: what was that feeling like as a dad, because I

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Speaker 10: imagine you, Mott, you would have been going into panic

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01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:45,253
Speaker 10: and shock yourself and then you hear that chopper coming

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01:45:45,293 --> 01:45:46,012
Speaker 10: over the distance.

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Speaker 5: There must have been a hell of a feeling.

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Speaker 28: Well, we have a we have a thing called first

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01:45:50,412 --> 01:45:52,772
Speaker 28: responders over there that part of the fiber gade, and

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01:45:53,893 --> 01:45:56,572
Speaker 28: we had a chat there who was actually he had

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01:45:56,612 --> 01:46:00,532
Speaker 28: bought he had a he had a like a Bunsen

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Speaker 28: burner in his car and he is boiling off water

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01:46:02,452 --> 01:46:05,173
Speaker 28: and he is kept putting a hot cloth on it,

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01:46:05,173 --> 01:46:11,093
Speaker 28: which was absolutely really really really hot, and it was

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01:46:11,333 --> 01:46:15,013
Speaker 28: obviously supercomfortable for my daughter. Yeah, but he was just

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01:46:15,053 --> 01:46:17,692
Speaker 28: trying to get the ammonia out of the cat. When

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Speaker 28: we obviously got to I think we flew to middle

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01:46:19,893 --> 01:46:25,532
Speaker 28: More and yeah, they flushed it out through there with saline,

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01:46:25,692 --> 01:46:28,133
Speaker 28: squirting it right through the ole where the barb had been,

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01:46:28,173 --> 01:46:30,253
Speaker 28: and they just kept doing that and obviously washed it

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01:46:30,293 --> 01:46:33,933
Speaker 28: all out. Didn't have any heavy any issues after that.

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Speaker 2: But so so she's all good.

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Speaker 29: What's she like in the water, Oh, she's loved, she's

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01:46:40,572 --> 01:46:45,452
Speaker 29: she's got she's obsessed with stingrays. I don't know, but

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Speaker 29: she's all our kids a water babies. Of course we've

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01:46:48,933 --> 01:46:49,612
Speaker 29: set a grand.

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Speaker 15: Up with the.

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Speaker 2: That's good to hear.

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Speaker 28: No, No, the other issue now, the instance was about

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Speaker 28: thirty odd years ago. I think it was the other

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01:47:00,133 --> 01:47:03,692
Speaker 28: sponsored West West Pact was West was Winfield Helicopter. I

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01:47:03,772 --> 01:47:06,892
Speaker 28: think that the end of the same organized the same

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01:47:08,333 --> 01:47:13,652
Speaker 28: rescue helicopter and we were climbing over the paratu to

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01:47:13,692 --> 01:47:16,812
Speaker 28: Irock at Waterpoo. It's an island that sits out there

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Speaker 28: climbing over the top and it's all shale on the top,

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Speaker 28: and my friend lost his putting and he slid all

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01:47:24,452 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 28: the way down into a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 28: a ravine on the seaside, so they couldn't really see

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01:47:32,572 --> 01:47:35,692
Speaker 28: where he was. So I was able. I ran all

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01:47:35,732 --> 01:47:38,293
Speaker 28: the way back to what they got watapool, lodged there

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01:47:38,333 --> 01:47:41,972
Speaker 28: and we made a phone call. Obviously, west back calicopter

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01:47:42,093 --> 01:47:44,492
Speaker 28: came out at the land on the beach. They couldn't

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01:47:44,532 --> 01:47:46,492
Speaker 28: see where he was, so I had to go up

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01:47:46,572 --> 01:47:49,933
Speaker 28: in the helicopter again and show him exactly where he was,

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01:47:50,053 --> 01:47:53,213
Speaker 28: and they pulled him off the rock there. So yeah,

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Speaker 28: another another another good experience with the safety team.

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Speaker 6: So that was great.

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01:47:59,333 --> 01:48:01,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks so much for your called Dan. Yeah,

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01:48:01,772 --> 01:48:03,412
Speaker 2: thank goodness for them. And that's what we sort of

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01:48:03,452 --> 01:48:05,732
Speaker 2: discovered when we were talking to them. You know, the

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01:48:05,853 --> 01:48:08,053
Speaker 2: guys that run out of Ardmore as you arrived there.

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01:48:08,053 --> 01:48:11,253
Speaker 2: In some times you can't find person. Yeah yeah, you know,

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01:48:11,652 --> 01:48:13,652
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, he's had to go up

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01:48:13,652 --> 01:48:15,053
Speaker 2: and show him where he was, but you can get

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01:48:15,053 --> 01:48:17,492
Speaker 2: the GPS location and you still got to look for

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01:48:17,572 --> 01:48:20,693
Speaker 2: the person, and it can be in challenging weather conditions

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01:48:20,853 --> 01:48:23,492
Speaker 2: or terrain or whatever. Yeah, they do an amazing job.

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01:48:23,532 --> 01:48:24,372
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they do.

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01:48:25,133 --> 01:48:28,173
Speaker 3: Elaine, You've also had two occasions where you needed the

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Speaker 3: help of the rescue chopper.

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Speaker 22: Yes, well, two family members and the third one where

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01:48:33,692 --> 01:48:39,532
Speaker 22: I was responsible. The first one was my grandson This

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01:48:39,772 --> 01:48:45,013
Speaker 22: is about ten twelve years ago, and he broke his

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01:48:45,412 --> 01:48:51,532
Speaker 22: elbow at school and they the powers to be decided

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Speaker 22: that they would just HELICOPTERI because we live in tom

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01:48:55,253 --> 01:49:00,372
Speaker 22: and Nui, so White Kado's our hospital and they chopped

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01:49:00,492 --> 01:49:02,772
Speaker 22: him in, they pinned his elbow and he was home,

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01:49:03,133 --> 01:49:03,333
Speaker 22: you know.

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Speaker 14: Since the operation was finished.

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Speaker 22: So that was it was alright, Yeah, because we were

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01:49:10,213 --> 01:49:14,492
Speaker 22: we were down on a farming station and so twenty

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01:49:14,612 --> 01:49:17,452
Speaker 22: years ago we were a trial from yit at a

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01:49:17,572 --> 01:49:23,333
Speaker 22: hospital to be first respondent for Saint John's. So a

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01:49:23,452 --> 01:49:27,173
Speaker 22: number of us scattered around the quite teky red Rookie

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01:49:27,253 --> 01:49:31,532
Speaker 22: Valley and so we did our Saint John's course room.

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01:49:31,812 --> 01:49:35,892
Speaker 22: I was called out a couple of times and then once.

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01:49:36,093 --> 01:49:39,732
Speaker 22: So when we did that, we also, of course our

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01:49:39,853 --> 01:49:42,652
Speaker 22: names years ago were taken away at the mailbox, so

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01:49:42,732 --> 01:49:46,652
Speaker 22: you were given your you know, a number on the box.

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01:49:47,133 --> 01:49:51,253
Speaker 22: But being a Saint John's responder. We were also given

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01:49:51,412 --> 01:49:58,492
Speaker 22: GPS and coordinates. So anyway, one day there's two hunters

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01:49:58,652 --> 01:50:02,133
Speaker 22: arrived on the quad bike and they'd been hunting at

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01:50:02,173 --> 01:50:04,893
Speaker 22: the neighbor's property way up in the bush and and

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01:50:05,492 --> 01:50:09,453
Speaker 22: Wayne gofee, female look rather bend.

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Speaker 5: And say.

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01:50:13,652 --> 01:50:19,612
Speaker 22: Yeah right yeah, and and they said, oh, we've come

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01:50:19,732 --> 01:50:22,133
Speaker 22: to seek your help.

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01:50:23,532 --> 01:50:29,093
Speaker 14: We've contacted the the what the hell do you call it?

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01:50:29,213 --> 01:50:32,772
Speaker 22: One one one, and they're sending a helicopter from.

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01:50:34,173 --> 01:50:35,492
Speaker 14: Talpo, but they've got to go.

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01:50:35,572 --> 01:50:39,093
Speaker 22: To Awakuni to pick up the owner to tell us

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01:50:39,133 --> 01:50:43,412
Speaker 22: where to go. And I said, oh, well, I've got GPS,

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01:50:43,532 --> 01:50:44,532
Speaker 22: so straight away.

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01:50:44,333 --> 01:50:45,013
Speaker 6: I rung the.

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01:50:47,532 --> 01:50:52,092
Speaker 22: The one of them people and they transferred my GPS

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01:50:52,213 --> 01:50:54,772
Speaker 22: to the helicopter and he was there within five minutes.

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01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:57,012
Speaker 5: Man, lucky they had you there, Elane.

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01:50:57,053 --> 01:50:59,052
Speaker 3: I mean, a broken femur is no good for anybody,

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01:50:59,133 --> 01:51:01,293
Speaker 3: but thank god, good people like you are in our

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01:51:01,372 --> 01:51:04,173
Speaker 3: rural community. Thank you very much for your story. A

2365
01:51:04,213 --> 01:51:07,133
Speaker 3: couple of texts to get to the air.

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01:51:07,093 --> 01:51:10,052
Speaker 2: Break many years ago, missing and cook straight whilst diving.

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01:51:10,173 --> 01:51:13,053
Speaker 2: After about an hour, the WISP pack chopper hovert over me.

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01:51:13,253 --> 01:51:15,852
Speaker 2: I w day, waved back and flew off three hours later,

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01:51:15,893 --> 01:51:17,253
Speaker 2: I was picked up by a yacht. I think I

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01:51:17,372 --> 01:51:19,093
Speaker 2: drifted too far in the wrong direction for them to

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01:51:19,173 --> 01:51:21,532
Speaker 2: think I was the right guy. I still don'tnate to them.

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Speaker 2: They do a fantastic jobs.

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Speaker 22: Cli.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, great text, and this is a beautiful text as well. Hello.

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Speaker 3: My name is Chloe. I am twelve years old. My

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Speaker 3: dad was squashed under a quad bike with major breakages.

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Speaker 3: The phone line is engaged and I can't get through,

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Speaker 3: but dad says to call back if you want the

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Speaker 3: rest Here. Westpac Rescue helicopter came through and saved my dad.

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Speaker 3: So thank you very much for that text, Chloe. That's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just hundreds of calls and thousands of

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Speaker 2: texts from people that want to tell their stories. So

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Speaker 2: you know, that's just a testament to what great New

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Speaker 2: Zealand is. The west Pac.

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Speaker 3: Rescue Chopper people are absolutely and today is the day

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Speaker 3: to give them a hand. So that website to donate

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Speaker 3: is choumper appeal dot co dot NZ. Let's keep that

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Speaker 3: sound in the sky and support the Westpak Chopper Appeal

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Speaker 3: because there's no great to sound when you need it.

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Speaker 5: It is nine to four.

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Speaker 1: The Big Stories, the Big issues, the big trends and

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01:52:16,133 --> 01:52:19,932
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used

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Speaker 1: Talk SEDB coming up at four. It's Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.

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Speaker 30: Hiland is not getting banged to back when we spend

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01:52:26,973 --> 01:52:29,972
Speaker 30: on infrastructure, obviously, but you know the new report tells

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Speaker 30: us this Israel's embassador will be with us to discuss

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Speaker 30: the shaky seaspire with the run plus more than nine

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Speaker 30: thousand people get super and they still earn more than

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Speaker 30: two hundred thousand dollars a year?

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Speaker 5: Should they be cut off?

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Speaker 2: All of that on the show from four.

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Speaker 1: Asking the questions, getting the information you need. Heather Duplessy

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with One New Zealand next on News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 5: Five to four.

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Speaker 2: What a great show it's being Tyler. Thank you to

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Speaker 2: all your great New Zealanders for listening to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your calls and text. We've

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Speaker 2: had a great time chatting. Hope you've had a good

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Speaker 2: time listening. The Met and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be

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Speaker 2: out and about an hour so if you missed our

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01:53:04,772 --> 01:53:11,173
Speaker 2: chats on homeschooling, the mushroom beef, Wellington trial and your

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Speaker 2: stories from the Wistpac Rescue Choppers. Listen and follow our

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Speaker 2: pod wherever you get your pods. These Sir Paul Holmes

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Speaker 2: broadcast of the Year Either Duplessy Allen is up next,

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Speaker 2: but right now, Tyler, my good friend, tell me why

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Speaker 2: I'm playing the.

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Speaker 3: Song just the Headless Chickens Choppers. Yeah, why would I

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01:53:27,692 --> 01:53:31,412
Speaker 3: be playing the Headless Chickens Shoppers? Of course the weisbeg.

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Speaker 3: Chopper Appeal is on now and just a reminder, please

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Speaker 3: go to Chopperappeal dot co dot m Z to donate.

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Speaker 5: They do fantastic work and they need our donations.

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Speaker 2: That's right, the greatest of great New Zealanders and talk tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I Oh, wherever you are, what have you doing? Give

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Speaker 2: them a taste of key.

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Speaker 6: We love you, Mattie and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B, listen live on

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.