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Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon seven after four on your Monday.

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company coming up. Inside the next

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Speaker 3: Wellington Hospital. Simeon Brown as our minister after six, Gavin

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Speaker 3: So the question should just into rejourn return to the

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Speaker 3: I'm Ryan Bridge and for Heather today. Great to have

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Speaker 5: Hey Jas, Hello, Ryan Felfred to cut me off. If

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Speaker 3: Nothing is more interesting than sport, you know. That's my

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he will, I think because he said he wants

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Speaker 3: Ryan eighteen minutes after four. As I said, we'll tell

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Speaker 3: Perth Live presenter with a verdict. We've had one this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Just in the last half hour. Aaron Patterson has been

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Speaker 14: Indeed, she has guilty of the murder of her former

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Speaker 9: She deliberately put death cap.

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Speaker 14: A sentence, Ryan, of up to life in prison, and

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Speaker 3: Absolutely only very quickly before we go. This woman who's

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Speaker 9: a bit.

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Speaker 3: We have to stay out of the cage. Hey, thanks,

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Speaker 3: olly good to have you on the show. Olie Pederson

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Speaker 3: six PR Perth Live presenter, just confirming that guilty verdict

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Speaker 3: for Aaron Patterson on all counts over in Australia. It

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Speaker 3: is eighteen minutes away from five o'clock. Now, I would

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Speaker 3: just never get in a cage or close to a

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Speaker 3: cage with a lion or anything that looks scary. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there are some people I wouldn't get in a cage with,

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Speaker 3: you know it alone lions. Anyway, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: I think not surprising, but still sad. Eighteen minutes away

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Speaker 3: from five. Thomas Coglin, we're going to talk about Tabati Mali.

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Speaker 3: They have a candidate for the Tammocky Makoto seat. Will

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Speaker 3: reveal all next on news Talk said, b's just gone

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Speaker 3: quarter to five, So we have a result in Aaron Patterson,

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Speaker 3: the Mushroom Lady trial over in Australia. Guilty guilty, guilty, guilty,

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Speaker 3: guilty on all counts. And I said to Laura, I said,

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Speaker 3: is it too really? Do you think to ask for

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Speaker 3: suggestions on what the Netflix show will be called? Because

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Speaker 3: inevitably there'll be a Netflix Apparently it's already been announced.

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Speaker 3: It's already the trial has just got a guilty verdict.

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Speaker 3: The Netflix series has already been announced and they've called

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Speaker 3: it toxic. So I thought it was a bit lame,

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Speaker 3: so I'm just putting it out there. If anyone's got

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Speaker 3: any can go one better on toxic, then nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is the number to text. I was sort

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Speaker 3: of thinking maybe something like, because it's Australian but you'll

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Speaker 3: have an international audience. Maybe just you know, the front

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Speaker 3: cover of the DVD or the movie or whatever is

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Speaker 3: Aaron Patterson at the table and no one else and

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Speaker 3: it just says, where the bloody how are you? It's

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Speaker 3: fourteen away.

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Speaker 2: From five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 2: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Cogman's with us in parliament. Heye Thomas out afternoon, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. So we have a former broadcaster in the running.

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Speaker 3: I did say earlier. Is the candidate but not yet

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Speaker 3: the candidate for to party?

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Speaker 15: Marty's Thomakimikodo see yeah or any Caipito's formerly of news Hub.

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Speaker 15: I thinks she left that role in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 15: She was fronting one of the afternoon shows. Thinks she

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Speaker 15: did the nation a bit as well, so so some

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Speaker 15: political experience there. The nominations closed this afternoon, so you know,

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Speaker 15: if if you're looking to throw your head in the ring.

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Speaker 15: You don't have much time, and we'll get where we're

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Speaker 15: We're thinking we'll get a confirmed candidate by the end

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Speaker 15: of the week. For Party, Marti Labor has, as I

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Speaker 15: understand it, a quite a complic catered constitutional process for this,

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Speaker 15: So they are actually waiting for the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 15: set the date for the by election, and once he

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Speaker 15: does that then their constitutional cogs can start turning and

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Speaker 15: they can start selecting a candidate as well. I do

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Speaker 15: think that they will be running a candidate. There had

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Speaker 15: been some speculation that they wouldn't out of respect to

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Speaker 15: the fact that the former MP Taka tash Camp had

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Speaker 15: passed away.

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Speaker 3: I think she's going to be really hard to beat

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Speaker 3: for two reasons. One, they've got to party. Marty's got

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Speaker 3: their ground game going strong, and they're not starting from

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Speaker 3: a standing position. But also alread Any I've worked very

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Speaker 3: closely with her for many years, is an incredibly smart, funny,

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Speaker 3: you know, graceful. She's quite a stoic person, lots of money.

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Speaker 3: Won't get down and play dirty in the sampit or

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Speaker 3: get riled by Winston when he yails out across the house.

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Speaker 3: That's not her Emo, So she would be very different

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Speaker 3: to Party Marty MP.

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Speaker 15: I think yeah, And I mean I haven't worked and

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Speaker 15: I can't say claim to know her particularly well, but

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Speaker 15: I do think as well. You know that the Electric

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Speaker 15: obviously the race was lost last time Penny here and

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Speaker 15: they lost it by forty two votes. Obviously, so Labor,

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Speaker 15: you know, if you're looking at the numbers, you'd have

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Speaker 15: to say, well, Labor is within striking distance of taking

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Speaker 15: it back. But when you think about it, you know

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty three, all the things that have happened since

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty three, You've had the toyto t tidity movement,

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Speaker 15: the whole Tree Principal's Bill controversy come up, and to

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Speaker 15: Party Maori has been prosecuting that day after day, week

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Speaker 15: after week. They've really attached themselves to this, you know,

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Speaker 15: every issue that is popping up in Maori, in the

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Speaker 15: Maori world, they've attached themselves too. So I think that

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Speaker 15: the context of this race is completely different to the

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Speaker 15: context of twenty twenty three. But you know, could be wrong.

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Speaker 15: These these electric races go and a number of different ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. Hey, this Select Committee for what Seymour's Bill,

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Speaker 3: the Regulatory Standards Bill has begun. What are we and

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Speaker 3: so far?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's it's it has been pretty negative today so

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Speaker 15: and most of the written submissions were were negative too.

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Speaker 15: We had Jeffrey Palmer, the former Prime Minister, and today

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Speaker 15: an interesting submission from him. He he made the point

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Speaker 15: that it is a very the sort of the work

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Speaker 15: to actually implement this bill. And I think he had

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Speaker 15: the number eleven hundred statutes that that that are an

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Speaker 15: application in New Zealand.

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Speaker 7: And the idea of of of.

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Speaker 15: Of regulating the regulation when there is so much regulation

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Speaker 15: is an enormous amount of work, a terrific amount of

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Speaker 15: extra work, is that is what he sort of said,

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Speaker 15: because there's just there is just so much. And the

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Speaker 15: other sort of thing I guess is that it is

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Speaker 15: interesting to see that a lot of the opposition to

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Speaker 15: the bill there is the sense that some of it

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Speaker 15: is fighting a straw man. I mean, David Seymour is

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Speaker 15: getting quite angry, calling his well perhaps not angry, but

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Speaker 15: his Regulatory Standards Bill derangement syndrome. There is the sort

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Speaker 15: of sense that some of the criticism is that this

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Speaker 15: is a somewhat constitutional piece of legislation that has quite

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Speaker 15: a powerful application that almost would be like a Supreme

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Speaker 15: Court in the United States, that it could strike down

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Speaker 15: the will of a government if it wish to. There

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Speaker 15: has been that kind of floating around the bill, that allegation,

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Speaker 15: which is incorrect. It doesn't actually have that power, which

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Speaker 15: of course begs the question what is the point of

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Speaker 15: this bill? And that is sort of one of the

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Speaker 15: criticisms being made by Labor's Duncan Web that it actually

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Speaker 15: isn't as powerful as some of its critics think it

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Speaker 15: to be. But that, of course the question is why bother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't that. On the one Han,

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Speaker 3: you got people saying this will be the end of

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Speaker 3: the world and the other people saying it will have

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Speaker 3: no effect on the world whatsoever. So who do we believe?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that. That is Times Cogland,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Herald political editor with us from Wellington nine

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Speaker 3: away from five brig. You're very funny, aren't you, Ryan

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Speaker 3: the Shroom of Doom. These are names for Aaron Patterson's

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Speaker 3: Netflix series ideas. Come up with your hard working selves, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: the Shroom of Doom got beef, which I quite like. Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Guess who's coming to dinner Part two, Ryan, This is

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Speaker 3: quite clever. Beef Lies and alibis the Netflix series coming

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Speaker 3: to you soon. But my favorite is quite simple, and

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Speaker 3: we'll go to the break with this one. Just Australian

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Speaker 3: master chef putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers. Some Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: We have Deputy Prime Minister David Cymour this independent costing unit.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this idea is dead now?

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 16: I don't think it's ever made sense, speaking just for

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Speaker 16: a moment for the party. We've put out fully costed

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Speaker 16: alternative budget every year we've been in opposition, never had

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Speaker 16: a problem, so there's no need for this thing. On

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Speaker 16: the other hand, do you want the bureaucracy, who, by

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Speaker 16: the way, gets stuff all the time?

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Speaker 3: You know, just because you.

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Speaker 16: Get a job at a government department doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 16: suddenly right about everything. Do you want them to effectively

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Speaker 16: be the gatekeepers to the policies in the election when

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Speaker 16: the whole point of the election is to hold them accountal?

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Speaker 3: On the first play, would we pay for stuff that

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Speaker 3: you guys as political parties are paying for yourself? Absolutely're right?

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Speaker 2: Hither duplicy Ellen on the Mike hosting Breakfast Back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: at six am with the land Rover Discovery on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: B You're on news Talks. It's five minutes away from

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Speaker 3: five after five o'clock. The question should just Cinda Adourn

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Speaker 3: return to New Zealand and face the music at the

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Speaker 3: COVID inquiry. It's taking place in Auckland at the moment,

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Speaker 3: well all over the country. And I asked the case

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Speaker 3: running the show today this morning on Herold Now, I said, look,

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Speaker 3: have you asked Cinda a Dune to come? He said, yes,

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Speaker 3: we have asked her to attend and don't know yet

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Speaker 3: what the answer is, whether she's lawyered up, what's happening.

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Speaker 3: But my question to you is do you think she

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Speaker 3: should She should come. They can't force her if she's

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Speaker 3: outside and this is rink, it's tricky. If she's outside

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand can't to come. You've got to ask

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Speaker 3: and hope that she will comply. But doesn't have to.

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Speaker 3: They have asked, and we don't know where that's sitting

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Speaker 3: at yet, but hopefully she will. Because there are questions

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Speaker 3: that people want answers to. Now, question that everyone wants

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Speaker 3: to know is are you cool or not, and that's

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Speaker 3: the topic of conversation for our panel after five point

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Speaker 3: thirty this evening. There are six characteristics and I'll just

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Speaker 3: leave them with you before we get to the panel.

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Speaker 3: By the way, none of the people on the panel

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Speaker 3: are cool. I can't even remember their names right now.

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Speaker 3: But that's so uncool are they that I don't recall

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Speaker 3: them anyway? Telling that one to his extroverted, hedonistic, powerful, adventurous,

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Speaker 3: open and autonomous. Pretty much anyone who is out there

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Speaker 3: doing something cool on their own and not worrying about

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Speaker 3: you other people find cool. That's the gist of it.

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Speaker 3: It's Morris Williamson and Joseph Bucgany. I got that right. Yeah, see,

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Speaker 3: neither of them coll.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 3: Actually, Josie, you would have to say, is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: She's out there doing stuff in the world on her own,

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Speaker 3: quite autonomous. Anyway, now that I've put them down, they'll

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Speaker 3: be with us after five point thirty. Coming up next though,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about just under ajourn and whether she should

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Speaker 3: be made to come home and face music At that

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Speaker 3: COVID inquiry News Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust

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Speaker 2: for the full picture. Brian Bridge On, Heather Dupless Allen

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Speaker 2: Drive with One New Zealand Let's Get Connected.

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Speaker 1: News Talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Good evening at a seven after five News Talks said

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Speaker 3: be mushroom.

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Speaker 7: Murderer.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Patterson has been found guilty on all counts this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: This after deliberation of more than a week by the jury.

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Speaker 3: They found her guilty the murder of Gail and Donald Patterson,

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Speaker 3: her in laws, and Heather Wilkinson guilty. Also the attempted

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Speaker 3: murder of Ian Wilkinson, Heather's husband who survived after being

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Speaker 3: in a coma as ez Al Saphine. As One News

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Speaker 3: Australia correspondent with US tonight as these how did that

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Speaker 3: go down in the court?

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Speaker 12: Oh, Shelder, Ryan look Att, has been quite a hectic day.

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Speaker 12: I can tell you that much. As those charges were

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Speaker 12: read out. Aaron Patterson sat there quite neutral faced as

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Speaker 12: she heard her fate. It has been a bit of

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Speaker 12: a I suppose media circus A lot of people would

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Speaker 12: have described. There has been media from all around the

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Speaker 12: world covering this case. I spent a lot of time

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Speaker 12: in more Will in the past couple of weeks. I

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Speaker 12: can tell you it has been an interesting case to cover.

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Speaker 12: But look, yes, she has been found guilty on all charges,

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Speaker 12: those three murder charges and that one attempted murder charge. Now,

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Speaker 12: when those charges were read out, when the verdict was

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Speaker 12: read out, Justice bal of course had thanked the jury,

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Speaker 12: apologizing that this case has gone on for as long

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Speaker 12: as it has. I'll remind you it was only put

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Speaker 12: down for six weeks. We are now in its mae

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Speaker 12: ninth eleventh week. And so he apologized to the jury,

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Speaker 12: but really just thanked them for their service. You know,

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Speaker 12: there's been one hundred and twenty five pieces of evidence

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Speaker 12: that have been put forward to them that had to

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Speaker 12: analyze an eighty six page chronology of all the testimony

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Speaker 12: it's happened to in the past ten weeks, and so

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Speaker 12: as you can imagine, a really big responsibility for this

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Speaker 12: jury to get it right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've certainly come to a decision, though it

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Speaker 3: took them a while. There were a few slam dunk arguments.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a different colored plates, there was

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Speaker 3: the throwing the dehydrator away in the jury obviously finding

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Speaker 3: this stuff pretty convincing.

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Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely, yes, that's that's right. So Nanette Rodgers for

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Speaker 12: the prosecution essentially based the case on what she called

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Speaker 12: the four deceptions, the four core deceptions that Aaron Patterson

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Speaker 12: took part in in what ultimately was a sustained cover up,

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Speaker 12: the first of course, being about lying about having cancer.

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Speaker 12: And that is essentially what Nannette Rodgers said Aaron Patterson

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Speaker 12: did to law her family in to that lunch on

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Speaker 12: July twenty nine, twenty twenty three. She said that Aaron

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Speaker 12: Patterson tried to gain sympathy in that act and and

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Speaker 12: as well as law of them really just get them

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Speaker 12: all there in one spot. Now. The second deception that

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Speaker 12: she talked about, as you mentioned, was where the mushrooms

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Speaker 12: came from?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 12: During her testimony, and I'll remind you, Aaron Patterson herself

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Speaker 12: took the stand, which she didn't need to for eight

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Speaker 12: days in the witness box, and she talked about she

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Speaker 12: was asked about rather where the mushrooms came from.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 12: Sally and Atkinson was the health official that was tasked

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Speaker 12: with investigating this particular this particular part of the story

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Speaker 12: after the lunch, and what she said in her testimony

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Speaker 12: was that Aaron Patterson was really hard to get a

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Speaker 12: hold of that. When she did get a hold of her.

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Speaker 12: Her story kept changing, and you might remember she said

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Speaker 12: she gave multiple accounts of where these mushrooms came from,

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Speaker 12: at one point mentioning an Asian grosser couldn't mention it

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Speaker 12: by name, and then changing it to a you know,

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Speaker 12: a supermarket, a woollies of sorts. And so the problem

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Speaker 12: with that was what Sally Anne Atkinson talked about in

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Speaker 12: the trial was that it created, you know, a public

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Speaker 12: health scare, and so they were worried that there were

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Speaker 12: potentially these mushrooms in the supermarkets that were getting other

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Speaker 12: people sick, and so that was really part of her testimony.

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Speaker 12: The third, as you also mentioned, is the third dehydrator.

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Speaker 12: So initially Aaron Patterson told police she ever owned one

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Speaker 12: and then later admitted to dumping it after there was

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Speaker 12: evidence presented in court of CCTV of a woman dumping

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Speaker 12: a food dehydrator in court, which by the way, later

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Speaker 12: tested for deathcat mushrooms.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Never a great look is it? As these a fascinating

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Speaker 3: case that we have followed closely, just very quickly. How

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Speaker 3: long could she get.

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Speaker 12: I mean this could be life in prison. So with that,

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Speaker 12: I think it's around forty five to fifty years and

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Speaker 12: in Victory Warrior. So but look, we just don't know

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Speaker 12: what could happen. Then might be an appeals process. Their

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Speaker 12: court is going to convene tomorrow and then we'll find

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Speaker 12: out what happens after that, whether there's any when sentencing

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Speaker 12: could be And of course I'll remind you as well

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Speaker 12: that is of course when the defense will come out

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Speaker 12: and really make a case for what kind of sentence

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Speaker 12: Aaron Patterson will get.

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Speaker 3: Because these also seen One News Australia correspondent Time twelve

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Speaker 3: after five, Ryan Bridge, Part two of the COVID inquiry

726
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Speaker 3: in a cinema near you. This is the big Royal

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Speaker 3: commission underway. This phase of the inquiry looks at Lockdown's

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Speaker 3: vaccine mandates, all the really interesting stuff, terrible stuff, but

729
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Speaker 3: interesting stuff. This morning I caught up with the inquiry

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Speaker 3: chair Grant Ellingworth's case and I asked him on Herald

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Speaker 3: Now whether former Prime Minister to Cinder a Dune will

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Speaker 3: speak to the inquiry. At any point you'll ask just

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Speaker 3: Cinder a Dune to come. We will ask a number

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Speaker 3: of people to come, including to Cinda a Durn. Well,

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Speaker 3: we haven't formulated the final list. Why wouldn't you put

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Speaker 3: her on this, she made all the big calls.

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Speaker 7: Well, there are issues in relation to our powers when

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Speaker 7: people are out of the country, for example.

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Speaker 3: Ah, so you've got to be in the country for

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Speaker 3: the jurisdiction to stick. If you're not, it doesn't. So

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Speaker 3: Ian Taylor's written, well, just a few open letters to

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Speaker 3: the prime minister, former prime minister in his time, and

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Speaker 3: he's with me this evening. Good evening, How are you good?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for being with me. Do you think

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Speaker 3: that just under Adurn should get the call up? Take

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Speaker 3: the call up?

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Speaker 18: I mean, I think it would be wonderful if she did.

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Speaker 18: I mean it would perhaps reinforce the concept that, you know,

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Speaker 18: everything she did was to be kind, to be part

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Speaker 18: of the team of five million. And this is the

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Speaker 18: time for the team of five million to come together

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Speaker 18: to figure out, you know, how we deal to this

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Speaker 18: better next time, what went wrong, and to answer some

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Speaker 18: of the really really big questions that have never been addressed.

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Speaker 3: Do you think people want answers or do you think

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Speaker 3: people want apologies or scalps?

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Speaker 18: I think, you know, if I look at the feedback

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Speaker 18: that I'm seeing on my last open letter, I mean,

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Speaker 18: there are people screaming for scalps, screaming for my scalp,

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Speaker 18: screaming for hers. One of the things I think we

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Speaker 18: do far too much of is yell at each other

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Speaker 18: in New Zealand. And you know, we've got to stop

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Speaker 18: that yelling. But somewhere along the line there is a

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Speaker 18: line to be drawn. And I am very comfortable with

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Speaker 18: what I wrote. It took me a long time to

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Speaker 18: do it. I thought very hard about it. But as

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Speaker 18: I watched the PR machinery kind of arrive in New

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Speaker 18: Zealand for the for the memoir, I could not forget

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Speaker 18: the voices of those who had called me while I

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Speaker 18: was arguing for different ways of doing this, and the

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Speaker 18: families who kid couldn't get home, my friend Mike Steadman

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Speaker 18: who was dying of cancer and couldn't get his gwend

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Speaker 18: kids back. I mean, there were thousands of those stories

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Speaker 18: and we had offered a solution and it wasn't taken up. C.

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Speaker 3: Taylor, Animation Research Managing Director, appreciate your time. A writer

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Speaker 3: of many letters to our former Prime Minister, who will

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Speaker 3: likely be invited whether she comes to the Royal Commission,

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Speaker 3: the COVID Commission of Inquiry, very different question quarter past five,

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Speaker 3: you're on news talks, there'd be still to con well

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Speaker 3: loads more. Actually, we're going to talk about this very

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Speaker 3: strange thing that's happening in the UK where people are

782
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Speaker 3: being bought purchased brand new cars by the taxpayer. How

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Speaker 3: do you get a brand new car? Well, there's a

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Speaker 3: secret word and they were giving them out. You know,

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Speaker 3: thousands of these things. It's not just a couple, thousands

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Speaker 3: of these things that come in your way in a

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Speaker 3: few moments. Also, the golf course in Auckland that everyone's

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Speaker 3: with flood needed to be made into a wet floodplain.

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Speaker 3: Well we have a result there too. That's next us

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Speaker 3: talk said be It's five eighteen. Takapuna Golf Course has

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Speaker 3: been thrown a lifeline All con Council today announcing it'll

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Speaker 3: develop the golf course into a wetland but the area

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Speaker 3: could still house a redesigned golf course in the future.

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Speaker 3: There have been widespread protests you'll know about these against

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Speaker 3: the council planned by golfers including Ryan Fox. Tom Mansell

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Speaker 3: is the head of Sustainable Partnerships at allgand Council with

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Speaker 3: me tonight.

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Speaker 1: Hi Tom, Hi, thank you for having me, yes, what are.

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Speaker 3: The chances really of there still being a golf course

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Speaker 3: here after the wetland's done.

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Speaker 19: So theland there's two parts to this. There's one is

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Speaker 19: the wetland, which is wet and obviously we're going down

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Speaker 19: to groundwater. Then there's the dry detention area, which is

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Speaker 19: dry most of the time and just uses the area

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Speaker 19: when it floods.

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Speaker 1: The wet of the area is only about thirty.

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Speaker 19: Percent of the a of Thomas or the current golf course,

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Speaker 19: so quite a small, not a huge amount of area.

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Speaker 19: And then the rest there's another probably twenty five percent,

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Speaker 19: which is the dry detention. Then there's the dry area

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Speaker 19: as well.

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Speaker 12: So what.

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Speaker 19: Happens that we realize the importance and recreation in this area.

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Speaker 19: What we need to do as first and foremost is

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Speaker 19: detain the water to reduce flooding downstream. That is the

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Speaker 19: most important thing. Once we've done that, we'll then design

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Speaker 19: there's a lot of space for recreation golf included.

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Speaker 3: In that, right, So Legius, pain in you a picture

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Speaker 3: when I'm looking at it. Once you've done the wetland's

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Speaker 3: got all the work done that you need to keep

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Speaker 3: people safe. When I look out at this, what do

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Speaker 3: I see grass or do I see you know, flaxes

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Speaker 3: and stuff like typical wetland. What am I looking at?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 19: So the actual that wet the wetland will be wetted

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Speaker 19: areas and will have walkway cycle ways quite a high

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Speaker 19: hassive recreation. The remaining area is almost like a blank

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Speaker 19: canvas and that can be used for golf or what

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Speaker 19: other recreational users uses. It's up to the local Kaipatock

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Speaker 19: board to decide what they want to put on the

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Speaker 19: rest of the area.

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Speaker 3: So plenty of roads, plenty of roads, no ecological reasons

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Speaker 3: why you couldn't so you could have? Why not an

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Speaker 3: eighteen hole instead of a nine? You said there's only

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Speaker 3: going to be room for a nine? Is that because

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Speaker 3: of the space for the wetland.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not a golf designer.

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Speaker 19: So what we don't want is having golf throughout the

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Speaker 19: wetland area. We don't think that is maintainable or fund

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Speaker 19: or feasible. If they could put in the remaining area,

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Speaker 19: if they can fit an eighteen hole, and that's what

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Speaker 19: the Kaipatoke board want, then we'll work with that.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, what did this work have to be

845
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Speaker 3: done on a scale of one to ten, like will

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Speaker 3: people die if it didn't happen.

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Speaker 19: Well, since this all started in the twenty twenty three

848
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Speaker 19: the devastating floods there, so this work has to happen.

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Speaker 19: The insurance are backing wanting this work to happen. The

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Speaker 19: affected residents. We've just purchased one hundred and forty houses

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Speaker 19: that were flooded to extent where it was a risk

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Speaker 19: to life downstream of this of the A.

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Speaker 17: Thomas Park. So it is work.

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Speaker 19: This is a stage one of Stage three and Stage

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Speaker 19: one is funded but part funded by the government. It's

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Speaker 19: critical infrastructure works to keep this community safe.

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Speaker 1: It has to happen.

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Speaker 3: So the rest of it's not funded. So any new

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Speaker 3: golf course I need to have its own funding.

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Speaker 1: That's right, the government.

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Speaker 19: We've got a contract with the government and they will

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Speaker 19: pay for stormwater mitigation, flood mitigation, but any other recreation

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Speaker 19: golf needs to be funded.

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Speaker 3: Yes, golf is definitely nice to have, isn't it all right? Well,

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Speaker 3: it sounds like you've kind of come up with a

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Speaker 3: bit of a compromise there. Tom will wait and see

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Speaker 3: what happens. Great, Yeah, thank you for your time to Ansel,

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Speaker 3: their head of sustainable Partnerships at Auckland Council. Sounds all

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Speaker 3: quite good, doesn't it. Everyone got what they wanted out

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Speaker 3: of that. I don't know, just something tells me that

871
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: down the line somewhere there'll be a really really heaved

872
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: off Ryan Fox. You know, you know Sinking is trying

873
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: to put his way out of a wetland. It's just

874
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: gone twenty two minutes after five news talks. He'd be

875
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Speaker 3: coming up next the group that wants to stop shop

876
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Speaker 3: owners from restraining children even if they're thieving.

877
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Speaker 2: Informed inside into today's issues, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither

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Speaker 2: dupericy Ellen drive with one.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected, News Talks, said.

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Speaker 3: Be On News Talks, said be Gandhy. What better thing

881
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: to do on a Monday evening than quote Gandhy, He

882
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: once said words to the effect of people tend to

883
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Speaker 3: forget their duties, but remember their rights. Now that we

884
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Speaker 3: live in a post Gandhi world where if you haven't

885
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Speaker 3: got food in your hand, you're entitled to take it

886
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: from somebody else's. You know that food is your right,

887
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: your human right. If you haven't got enough, then take

888
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: it from somebody who does you can basically take what

889
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: you want. That's the that's the theory. The problem with this,

890
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Speaker 3: as we all know, is that in stealing that loaf

891
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: of bread or that packet of biscuits you think ought

892
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: to be yours, you're impinging on the rights of others,

893
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: the ones who bought the tim Tams in the first place.

894
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 3: Attitudes like this lead us inevitably to anarchy. Forget colonialism.

895
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 3: Anarchy not a fun way to live. Ask anyone living

896
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: in Haiti right now today we're arguing about where the

897
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Speaker 3: children who are under eighteen should be the subject of

898
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Speaker 3: a citizen's arrest. Now there is a very loud group

899
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Speaker 3: of academics, the Children's commissioner, included political parties. They say, no,

900
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Speaker 3: how awful, you must never restrain a child. But if

901
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: that child is stealing perhaps food, perhaps alcohol, perhaps vapes,

902
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Speaker 3: to stand back and let it happen. And what do

903
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 3: we think little Johnny will still tomorrow if it gets

904
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Speaker 3: away with today? You know, forget about chocolates or candy.

905
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Speaker 3: Might be a car Who wants a car when you

906
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Speaker 3: can take a life. And so it goes on. So,

907
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Speaker 3: unless we all want to descend into an unbearable brutal

908
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Speaker 3: system of anarchy. Can I just suggest we hold people,

909
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Speaker 3: no matter their age, responsible for the laws that they break,

910
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Speaker 3: the lives that they shatter, and the people that they hurt.

911
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: That way they might learn to appreciate the rights they

912
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Speaker 3: can enjoy so long as their duties are first taken

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Speaker 3: care of. Ryan Bridge five twenty seven. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Nine two is the number to text. We'd love to

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Speaker 3: hear from you. We are talking to our panel about this.

916
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Speaker 3: By the way, our Dodor de Claire Aarkmunt, who is

917
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Speaker 3: the Children's Commissioner on the show after five point thirty.

918
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Speaker 3: Marris Williamson and Joseph Bugani will be here on the

919
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Speaker 3: huddle after that, and I will tell you how if

920
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Speaker 3: you're a British citizen you're able to get your hands

921
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Speaker 3: on a brand new car fully funded by the taxpayer.

922
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Speaker 3: It's an incredible story out of the UK. We'll get

923
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Speaker 3: to that afternoons as well. Right here on News Talks

924
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Speaker 3: a b.

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Speaker 2: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

926
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Speaker 2: drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy allan drive

927
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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand let's get connected news Talk.

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Speaker 1: Said b.

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Speaker 3: Todavening. It is Monday, the seventh of July, twenty four

930
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Speaker 3: minutes away from sixth Great to have your company this evening.

931
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Speaker 3: Simmon Brown has announced a new board for Health New Zealand,

932
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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you who's on the board after sex

933
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Speaker 3: he will be with us. But also he's got a

934
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Speaker 3: Crown Observer in there, so whoever he's appointing clearly he

935
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Speaker 3: doesn't trust already. Why else would you appoint the Crown Observer?

936
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Speaker 3: Be like getting married and then having a PI following

937
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: your spouse around to see if they're cheating, wouldn't it. Anyway,

938
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Speaker 3: we'll talk to him after six o'clock about why exactly

939
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Speaker 3: he's doing that. We're also going to talk to our

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Speaker 3: panel this evening. Morris Williamson, who is in the studio

941
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Speaker 3: or will be in the studio with us alongside alongside

942
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Speaker 3: our other guests this afternoon. Whose name has just completely

943
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Speaker 3: slipped my tip of my tongue.

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Speaker 20: I'm sitting right opposite you, Ryan, Josie PEGANI looking at

945
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Speaker 20: these guys for about fifteen years.

946
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Speaker 3: Help me forgive me My mind was in a thousand places, Josie.

947
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Speaker 3: It is twenty three minutes away from six o'clock. Crayon Bridge,

948
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Speaker 3: the Chief Children's Commissioner. This is going well. The Chief

949
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Speaker 3: Children's Commissioner has spoken out against the proposed changes to

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Speaker 3: our citizens' arrest laws. The government wants to make it

951
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Speaker 3: easier to make citizens arrest, but the Commissioner says members

952
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Speaker 3: of the public shouldn't be allowed to arrest children and

953
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Speaker 3: young people. Doctor Claire Hmad is the Chief Children's Commissioner

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Speaker 3: and is with me this evening. Hi Claire, Hi Ryan

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Speaker 3: with children anyone under eighteen?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: And if they are stealing something it's from your store,

958
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Speaker 3: you shouldn't be able to hold them until the police

959
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Speaker 3: get there. Why not?

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I want to acknowledge straight up

961
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Speaker 10: front that I want our communities to be safe. I

962
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Speaker 10: don't want children to be involved in these kinds of situations,

963
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Speaker 10: and I want shopkeepers to be safe in doing their work.

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Speaker 10: But this proposal, in my view, it is just too

965
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Speaker 10: risky for children and actually for everyone involved. What's too risky, Well,

966
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Speaker 10: this whole concept of citizens arrests for children in these

967
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Speaker 10: kinds of situations. Why I believe that is too risky

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Speaker 10: is that it actually puts children potentially in danger. On

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Speaker 10: two sides of the coins. So potentially children who might

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Speaker 10: be subject to a citizen's arrest, but then also children

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Speaker 10: who might be actually the workers in these kinds of settings,

972
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Speaker 10: because we need to remember that a quarter of our

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Speaker 10: retail workers in Altiero and New Zealand are actually aged

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Speaker 10: between fifteen to twenty four. And why I say that

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Speaker 10: it raises a risk of danger for children and young

976
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Speaker 10: people is that citizens arrest they can actually quickly go wrong.

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Speaker 10: And a number of agencies that have given advice to

978
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Speaker 10: the government on this police justice or in a Tamareki

979
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Speaker 10: Crown law, among others, they've highlighted this risk around actually

980
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Speaker 10: violence could escalate in these types of situations. Want to

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Speaker 10: see that avoided here, and there are alternatives.

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Speaker 3: You said that this would be brought upon the child,

983
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Speaker 3: but if they're stealing, they've brought it upon themselves, haven't they.

984
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Speaker 10: Look, I don't want children stealing, and I think most.

985
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Speaker 3: Problem as they do. The problem is they do, and

986
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Speaker 3: they do it repeatedly, brazenly during the day, often with weapons.

987
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Speaker 10: And I acknowledge those situations.

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Speaker 1: Well what do we do about it?

989
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Speaker 10: Well, we, first of all, we must be concerned about

990
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Speaker 10: this and I am concerned about this.

991
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're all concerned. But what do you do they

992
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Speaker 3: come in, they steal stuff from your shop. This is

993
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Speaker 3: the profit of which you will use to get your

994
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Speaker 3: kids through school. What would you like the shop owners

995
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Speaker 3: to do to try and talk to them?

996
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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I actually would like get shop owners,

997
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Speaker 10: as I'm sure they do, to call the police, because

998
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Speaker 10: we have a law enforcement agency New Zealand, and.

999
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Speaker 3: The kids are gone by the time the police turn up,

1000
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Speaker 3: they're wearing masks, they don't find them.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that given the risks involved here, we

1002
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Speaker 10: have to see this in a in a balance way.

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Speaker 3: I am concerned, so you would involved here, Okay, I

1004
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Speaker 3: get it that there's a risk that, you know, on

1005
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Speaker 3: the off chance that some kid might get hurt when

1006
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Speaker 3: they're being restrained. But you're saying that the risk that

1007
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Speaker 3: on the off chance that some kid might get hurt

1008
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Speaker 3: while they're being restrained out wighs the overwhelming financial burden

1009
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Speaker 3: that this is placing on shop owners, not to mention

1010
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Speaker 3: the fact that they're scared too.

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Speaker 10: I actually don't think that this proposed change, though, is

1012
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Speaker 10: going to solve this problem, and so I really want

1013
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Speaker 10: to see a stronger focus on preventing these kinds of

1014
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Speaker 10: situations in the first place. As I said before, I

1015
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Speaker 10: don't want us to be a country in which we

1016
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Speaker 10: see children stealing from shops. There are things that we

1017
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Speaker 10: ca and do focus on preventing retail crime from happening

1018
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Speaker 10: in the first place. And I also want to make

1019
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Speaker 10: it absolutely clear that when children and young people don't

1020
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Speaker 10: engage in this behavior, there does need to be appropriate

1021
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Speaker 10: accountability for them to take responsibility for those actions. But

1022
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Speaker 10: this proposal, it's not striking the right balance.

1023
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Speaker 3: Doctor claar Upmard, appreciate your time this evening. That's the

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Speaker 3: Chief Children's Commissioner time is nineteen to six.

1025
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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely.

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Speaker 3: For you joining me tonight the one on I New

1027
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Speaker 3: Joseph Bucganni's CEO of Child Fun Josie good evening. Hello, Hello,

1028
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Speaker 3: and Morris Williamson's here too, or can Counsel, the former

1029
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Speaker 3: National Party minister. Hey, Morris, good to have you on

1030
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Speaker 3: the program. I know you are there. We'll start with you, Josie,

1031
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: what did you make of our Children's Commissioner?

1032
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Speaker 20: Well, the problem is it's the old Blair right thing.

1033
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Speaker 20: You've got to be tough on crime, tough on the

1034
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Speaker 20: causes of crime. So the problem I actually agree with her,

1035
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Speaker 20: I don't think this is the right thing. Partly. I

1036
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Speaker 20: mean I work for a child focused organization. I see

1037
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Speaker 20: violence against children all the time, and the problem with

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Speaker 20: the sort of vigilante approach is it's actually really hard

1039
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Speaker 20: to restrain, you know, a fifteen year old child or

1040
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Speaker 20: a ten year old child or something without knowing how

1041
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Speaker 20: not to hurt them. And you know, you've seen things

1042
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Speaker 20: in places like the US where we had a vigilante

1043
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Speaker 20: couple a couple of years ago shot a guy, an

1044
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Speaker 20: African American black guy who they thought would had robbed

1045
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Speaker 20: a house. Turns out he was completely innocent. They shot

1046
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Speaker 20: him dead and they were saying it was a citizens

1047
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Speaker 20: citizens action.

1048
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Speaker 7: Right.

1049
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Speaker 20: So, but the problem with the interview you just did

1050
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 20: is that you've got to say what you're going to do.

1051
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 20: You've got to be tough on crime before you're tough

1052
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 20: on the causes of crime. Otherwise people don't give you

1053
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 20: the license to do the courses right. So the problem

1054
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 20: that she's got there, she didn't come up with what

1055
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Speaker 20: on earth the shopkeepers do. And for me, you're right,

1056
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Speaker 20: You're right Ryan that if she you call the police,

1057
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Speaker 20: police aren't going to come straight away. But it has

1058
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Speaker 20: to be resourcing the police. And if it's local police,

1059
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 20: if you know that there's a supermarket or retail shop

1060
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Speaker 20: that's getting targeted, please should be around that shop all

1061
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Speaker 20: the time. We've got to resource the police to do that.

1062
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Speaker 3: Morris. Back in the day you didn't have enough comps

1063
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: to do any much much of any beatwork, but yet

1064
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Speaker 3: you had people who were honest and if something like

1065
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: that happened in in a general store, they can have

1066
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Speaker 3: been held until the parents arrived.

1067
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Speaker 21: Yeah. Look, I'm just about to explode with that previous interview.

1068
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Speaker 21: I've never heard such rubbish in my whole bloody line.

1069
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 21: She says, we've got to do a different way, but

1070
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Speaker 21: not one item of what you would do. And you

1071
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Speaker 21: can't retain some of these little thugs. Some of these

1072
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Speaker 21: people are wandering around with buddy weapons and so on. Now,

1073
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Speaker 21: I do know you've got to do it carefully. You

1074
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Speaker 21: can't just have a young shop attendant grab someone. That's

1075
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Speaker 21: a problem. But if we maybe we could actually license

1076
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 21: some of the security people that they have at these places,

1077
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Speaker 21: and if they've got licenses, they can retain some of

1078
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 21: the little wrap bags. But if we just leave it

1079
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 21: at open Slava, it just keeps growing, getting worse. And

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Speaker 21: they know they actually sum their nose that the shopkeepers

1081
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Speaker 21: out here, they some they not say you can't touch me,

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Speaker 21: you can't do anything. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm completely

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Speaker 21: in the opposite camp for the previous inter you you did,

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Speaker 21: I think the little basard should be locked up.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, So that the reason this is all happening as well, Morris,

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Speaker 20: is because you know, a few weeks ago we had

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Speaker 20: the police. Someone sent out an email saying, oh, we're

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Speaker 20: only going to go to shoplifting above a certain value,

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Speaker 20: right five hundred bucks, And so everybody, retailers went, what

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Speaker 20: the hell, Well, what are we going to do about

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Speaker 20: the you know, stealing the crunchy bar and the shampoos

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Speaker 20: and whatnot. So you've got to answer that question. You're right,

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Speaker 20: and maybe training security guards is a good idea, but

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Speaker 20: you've got to fund the police.

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Speaker 2: You do.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing about all of this is being

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Speaker 3: poor does not make you immoral. Like I'm sick of this.

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Speaker 3: I'm sick of this shit, frankly from the left, you

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Speaker 3: know does just because you are poor, that does not

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Speaker 3: mean you will steal something. There are plenty of poor people,

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Speaker 3: aren't there who don't know.

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Speaker 1: And I.

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Speaker 21: Go back to the depression, go back to the good

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Speaker 21: lord standing in line and cues for soup, but a

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Speaker 21: soup kitchen with no food nothing. Did they go out

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Speaker 21: and you know, steal and beat up people and beat

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Speaker 21: up shopkeepers? No they did not. We never had that,

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Speaker 21: and we've allowed this. This is a problem we've allowed

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Speaker 21: to happen. And now desperate situations call for desperate measures.

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Speaker 20: In my view, the one thing I would say you

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Speaker 20: said earlier, Ryan, I heard you that, you know, not

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Speaker 20: arresting these kids or not having consequences for these kids

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Speaker 20: leads to anarchy, absolutely right. I would argue that a

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Speaker 20: vigilante culture could also.

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Speaker 17: Lead to that.

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Speaker 3: I do agree with that too. So there's a fine

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Speaker 3: line to be head somewhere, isn't it.

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Speaker 21: But it's not a vigilante culture if you've got it

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Speaker 21: properly managed. If you've got people who have been checked

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Speaker 21: in and past, they've got a security code. They are

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Speaker 21: people that are employed to do so, they know how

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Speaker 21: they work. I don't want the kids hurt. I want

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Speaker 21: them detained. It's not an arrest, it's detained until the

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Speaker 21: police can come. The problem I've got out here. The

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Speaker 21: number of shopkeepers have said we've called the police and

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Speaker 21: the police said, look, you just have to wait. We

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Speaker 21: haven't got anybody available for the next few hours. And

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Speaker 21: it's just it's just it's literally sending a signal. Keep

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Speaker 21: doing it because you'll.

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Speaker 7: Get away with it.

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Speaker 3: Joseph Beganni Morris Williamson on the huddle, will take a

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Speaker 3: quick break and be back with them next.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 2: for unmassed results.

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Speaker 3: You're on news talks. There'll be eleven away from sixth

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company for the huddle tonight. Joseph Bugani,

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Speaker 3: the chief executive at ChildFund, and Marris Williamson orkand Council,

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Speaker 3: a former National Party minister. The COVID Inquiry Part two

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Speaker 3: coming to a cinemon EU. In fact, it started today

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Speaker 3: and cinema would be the last place you want to

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Speaker 3: be during COVID. Remember that they can't go anyth Cinema

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Speaker 3: can't go anywhere. These people anyway, Part two of the

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Speaker 3: inquiry underway, and the chair confirming to me this morning

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Speaker 3: that they are basically going to ask Jacinda Adourn to

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Speaker 3: give testimony, but you have to be in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: in order for their jurisdiction to stick. Josie, do you

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Speaker 3: think well, one, she will clearly be asked, but two

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Speaker 3: do you think she will return even if it's fine

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Speaker 3: video link to answer questions?

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Speaker 20: Well, you'd have to ask the question why wouldn't she

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Speaker 20: if she's so pleased with the COVID response, you know,

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Speaker 20: and I say that as someone who was supportive of

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Speaker 20: the initial lockdown as most people were, but also frustrated

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Speaker 20: during COVID And since that we haven't really dug into

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Speaker 20: not how decisions were made, but what decisions were made

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Speaker 20: was how did they make a decision to close grengrosses

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Speaker 20: and butchers but keep the supermarket open? How did they

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Speaker 20: make a decision for extended lockdowns? Why did they make

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Speaker 20: a decision about m i Q that was so draconian

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Speaker 20: for families? So we do want to look at you know,

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Speaker 20: was there a better way to do it? And you

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Speaker 20: know we have to look all so internationally. I was

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Speaker 20: looking just before at the statistics for Sweden where they

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Speaker 20: didn't have a lockdown. Now you know Sweden had no lockdown.

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Speaker 20: They had they did have kind of social distancings and

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Speaker 20: stuff like that, but their COVID deaths were about the

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Speaker 20: middle range of all the Scandinavian countries in the Western

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Speaker 20: European countries that had lockdowns as well. That's interesting. I'm

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Speaker 20: not taking a position on that. I'm saying we should

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Speaker 20: examine that for next time to know whether they made

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Speaker 20: the right decision or not. Does just send a need

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Speaker 20: to be there? What are we going to hear from

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Speaker 20: her that she hasn't already said. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 20: we do need her there, But if she really felt

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Speaker 20: confident about the response, it was nothing to see here.

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Speaker 20: Why wouldn't she?

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you? What you got to hide would be

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Speaker 3: the thing that their questions would be the interesting part

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Speaker 3: for me, and to see where they got with them. Morris.

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Speaker 21: This console general in Los Angeles when it hit, and

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Speaker 21: I was there for the whole first year of it.

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Speaker 21: I saw some heartbreaking family stories who couldn't get home

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Speaker 21: to see a dying relative, or kids who couldn't get

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Speaker 21: home to see somebody who was really serious, and I

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Speaker 21: kept saying, there's no need for this almost random lottery

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Speaker 21: MiQ system. I wrote some software because that's part of

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Speaker 21: my training and background. It's writing software, and I actually

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Speaker 21: wrote to both to Cinda and to Chippy, and I said,

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Speaker 21: I've got a model system where you'll earn points for

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Speaker 21: each day you're in the Q waiting. You'll bubble to

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Speaker 21: the top and eventually know when it is you'll get

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Speaker 21: your MiQ slot. We can give double points for those

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Speaker 21: who are locked overseas and wanting to get home compared

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Speaker 21: to those that are here and wanting to go after

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Speaker 21: Fiji or something. Because there were people getting MiQ who

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Speaker 21: were here already heating off for a holiday, which was nonsense.

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Speaker 21: And I got these bland letters back, both from just

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Speaker 21: Cinda and from Chippy. I No, we think the system

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Speaker 21: we've got us working perfectly well, Well it wasn't. It

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Speaker 21: was a disgrace. I came back in the end when

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Speaker 21: I was called back when it was all over, and

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Speaker 21: had to do MiQ at the yepurn A Hotel for

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Speaker 21: two weeks and it was hilarious. I was tested in

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Speaker 21: Los Angeles. I was tested at walking the airport when

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Speaker 21: we arrived. I was tested at MiQ at the actual hotel,

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Speaker 21: negative all three and then spent two weeks sitting in

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Speaker 21: a hotel while there were fifteen thousand cases of it

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Speaker 21: out on the street.

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Speaker 20: And I don't want to see people put on trial.

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Speaker 20: I don't want the sense of you know, even just

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Speaker 20: Sindra or anyone who was involved in it, because they

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Speaker 20: were making difficult decisions with less information.

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Speaker 1: Than we have now.

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Speaker 20: But where you're right, Morris, is that we need to

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Speaker 20: understand if they made a decision like m IQ, like

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Speaker 20: you know, Greenngrosser's closing and Butcher's closing or whatever, but

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Speaker 20: Supermarket's open, was there an alternative because we need to

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Speaker 20: know that for next time, and then we won't make

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Speaker 20: the same They're an alternative.

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Speaker 21: Why take issue with that? Though, Josie is I gave

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Speaker 21: them what And if you talk to other people from

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Speaker 21: the computer society and someone who looked at the.

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Speaker 3: Software inact, lots of people came saw my.

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Speaker 21: System and said he really thought it was fantastic.

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Speaker 3: There you go, There you go, Maurics Williams and Josie

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Speaker 3: Biganei on the panel tonight. I think for me that

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Speaker 3: is the big issue too. Is did that? Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: made a bunch of decisions. They got a bunch of

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Speaker 3: stuff right, They've got a bunch of stuff wrong. But

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Speaker 3: were we too quick to dismiss the dissenting voice the

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Speaker 3: plan b is and did we ostracize them to our peril?

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Speaker 3: Six to six Newstalks EBB.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Dupa Clan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: News Talks VB. It is four minutes away from six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: The Brits have got basically a boon. If you're looking

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Speaker 3: for a car, a free car, a brand new free

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Speaker 3: car in the UK, look no further than motibility. This

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Speaker 3: is a government scheme that's been run and they've found

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Speaker 3: out that's meant to be for people with mobile issues,

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Speaker 3: mobility issues, but they're giving it to any Tom Dick

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Speaker 3: and Harry down the road. People are getting it for constipation.

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Speaker 3: Why do you need a brand new car for constipation?

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Speaker 3: Tennis elbow anxiety? We'll give you a free car anyway.

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Speaker 3: Apparently there are about ninety that they're looking into out

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Speaker 3: of hundreds that have been given away. Honestly, the things

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Speaker 3: that they have food intolerance, somebody got a taxpayer fun

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Speaker 3: car because they had food and tolerance. Another had social

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Speaker 3: phobia so presumably had to drive somewhere in their own

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Speaker 3: car rather than get a bus. Honestly, no wonder the

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Speaker 3: Western world's going bankrupt when you're giving away free cars

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Simmy and Brown is here after

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Speaker 3: six with a rejig of health Enzed's.

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Speaker 2: Board where business meets insight, the Business Hour with Ryan

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Speaker 2: Bridge and there's insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect

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Speaker 2: your future, news talks and.

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Speaker 3: Be good evening. At a six half the six news talks,

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Speaker 3: there'd be Simmy and Brown health minister on his board

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Speaker 3: rejig and a second Shane solely on the markets, cannabis

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Speaker 3: industry regulations up the wazoo, stopping growth. We'll look at

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Speaker 3: that before the top of the R two and Gavin

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Speaker 3: Graham the UK lots to talk to him about, including

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Speaker 3: twenty years on from seven to seven. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 3: There's a Netflix documentary out at the moment actually about it,

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Speaker 3: which I highly recommend. Well the watch. It is seven

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Speaker 3: after six now, so we start with Samian Brown, health

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Speaker 3: minister who's with us. Snickler willis on holiday this week

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Speaker 3: we have Simion Brown. Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, Good

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Speaker 3: to have you on the show. Minister. So you're doing

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Speaker 3: a bit of a governance rejig health in z First

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Speaker 3: of all, why are you keeping less deliveryon for another month?

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Speaker 3: Another twelve months?

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Speaker 22: This is about making sure we have a continuity of

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Speaker 22: leadership at Health New Zealand. The organization's going through a

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Speaker 22: reset in terms of its making sure it's refocused back

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Speaker 22: on patients and focused on delivery of our five health targets.

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Speaker 22: He's been our commissioner over the last twelve months and

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Speaker 22: has been instrumental in terms of bringing that refocus back

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Speaker 22: to the organization. And his role now is to make

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Speaker 22: sure that we continue to stabilize Health New Zealand so

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Speaker 22: it can continue to focus on getting those weightless under control,

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Speaker 22: ensuring patients can get the treatment they need in a

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Speaker 22: more timely body manner, and make sure that the organizations

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Speaker 22: are delivering within budget. But we've also, alongside him, appointed

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Speaker 22: a range of of board members who will work alongside

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Speaker 22: him to bring that focus for patients to this organization.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible he could go beyond the twelve months

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Speaker 3: or are you done with them after that?

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Speaker 13: He's agreed to do another twelve months. We will be.

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Speaker 22: A long term cheer later this year to replace Lester

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Speaker 22: from the middle of next year.

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Speaker 13: Has done he has.

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Speaker 22: He has done a good job in terms of bringing

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Speaker 22: that focus back to the organization of patients, putting the

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Speaker 22: focus on patients, delivering within budget, and making sure that

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Speaker 22: we are working towards achieving our health targets and the

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Speaker 22: work that you know we announced last week around the

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Speaker 22: electives boost, delivering more elective treatments with patients, that's you know,

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Speaker 22: the hip knees and cataract operations. That is the work

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Speaker 22: that he has been delivering for us, and that is

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Speaker 22: meaning that we're starting to see those weight times and

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Speaker 22: those WEIT lists actually reduced for patients needing those treatments.

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Speaker 3: He's been delivering them through the private sector. I suppose

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Speaker 3: well has roll is.

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Speaker 22: To make sure we're unlocking and you know, unlocking care

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Speaker 22: for patients, whether that's through the public system, private system.

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Speaker 22: My focus on hates to get the treatment they need,

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Speaker 22: a timely quality man.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Now, what faith confidence do you have in

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand when you simultaneously appoint a board and

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Speaker 3: also and a Crown observer.

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Speaker 22: Look, the key thing here is we need to make

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Speaker 22: sure this organization is delivering within its budget. It is

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Speaker 22: going through a time of change as we re establish

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Speaker 22: board governance, and this is about making sure that the

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Speaker 22: government continues to keep a particularly close eye around how

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Speaker 22: Health New Zealand's delivering within its budget and also against

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Speaker 22: those target measures. And so honey, order Balcott. It has

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Speaker 22: been a point as a Crown observer. It's not unusual

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Speaker 22: for Crown observers to be appointed. It's about supporting the

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Speaker 22: re establishment even.

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Speaker 3: As you're an appointing the brand new board. So, Hammon,

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Speaker 3: when does the new board take.

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Speaker 13: Effect from the twenty third of July?

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Speaker 3: Twenty third of lie, how many people on the board are.

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Speaker 13: We've appointed to seven members.

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Speaker 3: Seven members starting twenty third of July, and already you've

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Speaker 3: decided someone needs to hold the hand.

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Speaker 22: Well two of the two of those boardbombers, one is

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Speaker 22: Lester Levy who is the commissioner, and one is Roger Jared,

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Speaker 22: who is the deputy commissioner.

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Speaker 13: Five of them.

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Speaker 22: I knew they were all incredibly experienced members, but look,

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Speaker 22: this is an organization.

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Speaker 3: Point, Commissioner. Every time you put five new people on

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Speaker 3: a board, do you.

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Speaker 22: I guess the point that's going to point here is

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Speaker 22: this organization matters to all New Zealanders and its success

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Speaker 22: matters to all New Zealanders because health matters to all

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Speaker 22: New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Is education, So does education?

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Speaker 13: What's incredibly focused?

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Speaker 3: I know you're incredibly focused, but just level with me, minister,

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Speaker 3: is this because you don't trust down the line at

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Speaker 3: Health en Z That's what this is about?

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Speaker 22: Well, this is an organization which we inherited, which has

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Speaker 22: gone through a significant amount of changes. You may have

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Speaker 22: read the Deloitte report which was released earlier this year,

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Speaker 22: which showed while the last government amalgamated the twenty DHBs,

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Speaker 22: the funds inherent at Health New Zealand, they were operating

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Speaker 22: a thirty billion dollar organization out of an Excel spreadsheet.

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Speaker 22: That's not how you operated. That's not how you operate

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Speaker 22: a thirty billion dollar organization which delivers critical healthcare to

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Speaker 22: five million kiwis and so there are significant system changes

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Speaker 22: and processes that need to be developed. Your maturity of

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Speaker 22: this organization is significant, Is.

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Speaker 3: It fair to say, Minister, your once.

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Speaker 22: Permitted to doing that through government putting a professional governance

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Speaker 22: board in place, but having an observer helps assist us

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Speaker 22: in delivering.

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Speaker 3: That is it fair to stay just to use colloquial terms,

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Speaker 3: you're once bitten twice shine.

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Speaker 22: Well, we want to make sure that Health New Zealand

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Speaker 22: is an organization that delivers for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 13: That's what we're focused on.

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Speaker 3: When will the delivery happen, When is it going to

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Speaker 3: be back in surplus.

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Speaker 22: Well, we're already seeing the weight light the weight times

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Speaker 22: come down for elect for the electives, we're starting to

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Speaker 22: see the specialist appointment waitlists come down. We're seeing our

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Speaker 22: emergency departments improve in terms of their weight times. We're

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Speaker 22: seeing immunization rates increase. So we are starting to see delivery,

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Speaker 22: which is very positive. There's a long way to go

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Speaker 22: that Health New Zealand is a massive organization. It's full

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Speaker 22: of incredible people who work incredibly hard. We're focused on

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Speaker 22: making sure that every quarter we continue to improve what

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Speaker 22: is delivered for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: In Wellington, apparently they're going to lose maternity ward beds

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Speaker 3: to ed beds. Does that worry you?

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Speaker 22: Look Healthy Uzian is consulting on a change. There is

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Speaker 22: a spere capacity in in terms of beds available in

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Speaker 22: terms of the average number which are utilized in that

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Speaker 22: part of the hospital. They're consulting about using a wing

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Speaker 22: of that part of the hospital for medical patients who

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Speaker 22: are currently waiting an ed because there's no beds available

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Speaker 22: on their part of the hospital.

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Speaker 13: They're working with the clinician on that.

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Speaker 22: It's about making sure that there is utilizing the capacity

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Speaker 22: that is available in the best interests of patients. Obviously,

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Speaker 22: there are things they need to work through with staff.

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Speaker 22: I've been I've had the assurance that they will work

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Speaker 22: through those issues with staff. That the patients who go

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Speaker 22: into that part of the hospital will obviously be in

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Speaker 22: a separate part. They'll be female patients. But you know,

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Speaker 22: this is a hospital which is severely capacity constrainted, as

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Speaker 22: the worst ed in terms of d performance in the country.

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Speaker 22: We're investing a significant amount of money to rebuild their

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Speaker 22: emergency department and put more beds into this hospital.

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Speaker 13: But they do need to look, just like other hospitals.

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Speaker 22: Do around the country, how do you maximize the use

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Speaker 22: of your beds to ensure that patients can be seen

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Speaker 22: and get the treatment they need. So, look, these are

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Speaker 22: always sensitive matters. They're working through it to make sure

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Speaker 22: that they can sound the best sounds like you're across it,

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Speaker 22: so do the best of patients.

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Speaker 3: So no new mum would be kicked out of hospital

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Speaker 3: earlier than they needed to be discharged. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: you'll confirm that for us. All right, that's good to know. Hey,

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Speaker 3: what about the sise you've mean lights that are lining

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Speaker 3: them up for a bit of a fire sale potentially

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Speaker 3: after the election when you guys get re elected. Have

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Speaker 3: you any on the list yet or whose top of

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Speaker 3: the list?

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Speaker 13: Well, well, Ryan, we're not, we're not. We're not selling

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Speaker 13: so oz.

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Speaker 22: What we are focused on is making sure they're actually

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Speaker 22: operating profitably and and enacting. In my job as the

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Speaker 22: CSOE Minister is to ensure that their focus is on

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Speaker 22: delivering for the government. There are a number of organized

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Speaker 22: number of those ees which I think in more challenging positions,

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Speaker 22: one of them particularly lend Corp, which has failed to

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Speaker 22: deliver over a longer period of time. And my focus

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Speaker 22: is very much on ensuring that business is doing what

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Speaker 22: it's core businesses, which is farming. It is it is

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Speaker 22: over the has got involved in various other activities and

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Speaker 22: my focus is get back to basics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so Parmy number one, who'd be number two?

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Speaker 17: Well?

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Speaker 3: I thanks.

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Speaker 22: My point my point here Ryan is we want these

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Speaker 22: companies to be operating profitably.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well I guess there's the question.

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Speaker 13: It's delivering a return on a return on investment to

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Speaker 13: text pass.

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Speaker 3: And if they can do that by election day, then

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Speaker 3: they won't be on the chopping block.

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Speaker 22: Oh look, our focus, our focus, my focus is on

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Speaker 22: making sure that they are all right.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate your time, minister, thanks so much for coming on

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Speaker 3: So Minister Health Minister Simeon Brown, you're on News Talk

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Speaker 3: zb Just go one quarter past six, Shane Solely Markets.

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Speaker 2: Next, it's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: podcast on my Heart Radio empowered by News Talk ZEB.

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Speaker 3: Wit to see a movie on the weekend eighteen after six,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you in a couple of minutes why

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Speaker 3: I liked it so much. Nothing flash about it. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean it had a very high profile, high paid

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Speaker 3: actor in it, but don't they all. I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: why I liked it so much, and the reason is

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Speaker 3: just actually quite boring and simple. But it's a good movie.

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Speaker 3: So that's next. Right now, we'll chicken with the markets changed,

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Speaker 3: Soally Harbors at Management with us Hey, Shane, get it Ryan.

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Speaker 3: How markets react to Trump's latest trade tariff announcements.

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Speaker 8: Well, mister Trump is pretty good at keeping us on

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Speaker 8: our toes. The US shear market futures, This SMP futures

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Speaker 8: is what is telling us the market expecs to happen tonight.

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Speaker 8: Our time is down on point four percent after mister Trump,

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Speaker 8: he warned us that he's going to put sendings of

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Speaker 8: letters out to people up to ten to twelve on Friday,

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Speaker 8: and he's going to start sitting livies as much as

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Speaker 8: seventy percent unilesterally ahead of this July ninth deadline. So

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Speaker 8: he's throwing a few We're going to make this happen

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Speaker 8: things today. He's come out, he's on time this afternoon

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Speaker 8: and said he's going to put an extra ten percent

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Speaker 8: tariff on those countries aligned with Brooks. This is the

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Speaker 8: the emerging nations includes Russia and China, Brazil, and then

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Speaker 8: adding to the mixed, US Treasury secretary've scopped. They said

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Speaker 8: that he mister Trump may impose April sixond Liberation Day

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Speaker 8: level tariffs countries that don't reach a deal beginning of

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Speaker 8: the first of August. Now that is different from the

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Speaker 8: July to night, So that suggests that face for you,

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Speaker 8: you're going to see this extension of tariff pause again.

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Speaker 8: So that's what capital markets are thinking. We're all thinking

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Speaker 8: US government's going to push tariff's pauses out further. If

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Speaker 8: we don't get that, and if we actually get increased tariffs,

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Speaker 8: that would be a surprise for capital markets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, interesting. What about the RBA tomorrow their decision.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so the IRBA, Australia's central bankers, their bank in

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Speaker 8: Australia widely expected to deliver a point two five percent cut.

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Speaker 8: That's at four thirty Zone time, and that would take

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Speaker 8: Australia's official illustrate down to three point six from three

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Speaker 8: point eight five. At the moment, it's the key for market.

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Speaker 8: It's all about tone. Inflation's falling back to within the

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Speaker 8: irba's target bands, so they could do more cuts, but similarly,

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Speaker 8: they might want to wait and see how the three

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Speaker 8: twenty five basis points cuts through from December kick through.

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Speaker 8: That would be what's called a hawkish cut, so their

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Speaker 8: cut rates and then they'll say we're going to and

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Speaker 8: see the key thing from Zeona. Course on Wednesday, we've

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Speaker 8: got our own reserve bank coming out and markets aren't

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Speaker 8: expecting anything. Ryan, It's very much steady as she goes.

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Speaker 8: But there is a growing view that the RB has

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Speaker 8: some room to start talking about potentially cutting rates, and

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Speaker 8: that would be a what's called a dovish hole, so

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Speaker 8: they wouldn't cut, but they'd start talking about potentially cutting.

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Speaker 8: So quite a big difference between the RBA and the RB.

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Speaker 3: And Z certainly is. And we've got our call obviously

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Speaker 3: this week as well. What about OPEK cranking up the

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Speaker 3: oil production. How's that been received?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, actually quite poisively, just the increase in production, so

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Speaker 8: IPEK plus talking about increasing production by five hundred and

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Speaker 8: forty eight thousand barrels a day, very specific number, which

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Speaker 8: is up high then the previously indicated four hundred and

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Speaker 8: eleven thousand dollars barrels a day. What that's mean is

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Speaker 8: we're seeing the Brent oil price, the futures again, the

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Speaker 8: forward market, what markets may do overnight in New zeal

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Speaker 8: And time expecting their ore price to fall by zero

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Speaker 8: point seven percent, so just under one percent to just

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01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 8: over sixty eight dollars usp barrel, and of course that

1510
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 8: lower au pros they'd be helpful, and tenions of inflation release,

1511
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 8: maybe allowing some of those central bankers to think about

1512
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 8: cutting rates again.

1513
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 3: Perhaps, Ryan, that'd be nice. Shane, appreciate your time, Shane,

1514
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 3: Solly Harbor Asset Management with us for a market rap

1515
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 3: for this evening. There you go. Tuesday, the Aussies the

1516
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 3: o C are a dubvish hold and Wednesday you can

1517
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 3: expect no movement two ours. Although that's not sitting stone

1518
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 3: is that's just what most of the pundits are expecting.

1519
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: Twenty two minutes after six, you're on news Talk, said B.

1520
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 2: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass insurance

1522
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 2: and investments.

1523
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: Grew your wealth, protect your future the news talks EDB.

1524
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: Six twenty five on news Talk, said B. Let's get

1525
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 3: you across your showbiz for today. Numbers are in for

1526
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 3: how Lord's new album has performed sort to number one

1527
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 3: on the New Zealand album charts. No problem, you'd expect that,

1528
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't you. However, Let's head Stateside album has come in

1529
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 3: it number two. Who took out the top spot? That

1530
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 3: was Morgan Wollan. The new country singer enjoying his seventh

1531
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 3: week in a row at number one. He sold an

1532
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 3: additional one hundred and seventy thousand units this week over

1533
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: double the Kii sing is seventy one thousand album sales.

1534
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 3: So just before we move on, but I was just

1535
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: looking this up because seventy one thousand albums in a

1536
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 3: week to me doesn't seem like a hell of a lot.

1537
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 3: Most of them apparently vinyl. In fact, half of them

1538
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: vinyl worth about sixty bucks. Let's do some rough mass

1539
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 3: four point two million dollars in a week. She'd get

1540
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: what ten percent at best f one hundred and twenty

1541
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 3: k in a week. It's a very expensive lifestyle. She's

1542
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 3: traveling back and forth between New York and New Zealand anyway,

1543
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 3: though she did sell eight different variant vinyls of her

1544
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 3: album to bolster these figures. There is someone hot on

1545
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: the heels coming for Lord apparently. The soundtrack for the

1546
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 3: new Netflix animated film K Pop Demon Hunters has risen

1547
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 3: substantial from number eight to number three, but most of

1548
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 3: the album's traction was over on streaming, where music from

1549
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 3: the film was streamed more than seventy seven million times.

1550
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 3: That's K pop for you.

1551
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: That wasn't it?

1552
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 3: They do everything on repeat?

1553
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 23: Seven persons.

1554
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 19: Board.

1555
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,759
Speaker 3: You're listening to shape Shift that off the new Lord album.

1556
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: She is number one here, number two in America. Coming

1557
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 3: up after the news, we'll talk about weed something Lord

1558
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 3: loves a lot, whether.

1559
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: It's macro micro or just playing economics.

1560
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: It's all on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and

1561
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: Mair's Insurance and investments.

1562
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future, use talk, said Bill.

1563
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:24,919
Speaker 23: So Well.

1564
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 3: I still see you. Good evening. It is twenty five

1565
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: away from seven. You're on news talk, said b Lots

1566
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 3: to get through before we had the tropicy r, including

1567
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 3: our UK correspondent Gavin Gray is in the UK for

1568
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 3: US tonight. Lot's talk to him about and we will

1569
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 3: talk cannabis in the business of cannabis. I want to

1570
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 3: see a movie on the weekend, if one with Brad Pitt,

1571
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 3: highly recommend two hours thirty five minutes, like a good

1572
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: any good race should be in there, round the track

1573
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: and out. We didn't wuk around. We were straight in

1574
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: as soon as we sat down. Move movie started. What

1575
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 3: a dream, No bs, no nonsense, no flaky stuff, no

1576
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: woky stuff, just a normal movie. A car that moves

1577
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: very quickly around a track made of metal exhaust oil,

1578
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 3: you know, co two who cares storyline. Look, it's not

1579
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: going to change the world, But those movies never did,

1580
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 3: did they. It was a guy that falls in love

1581
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 3: with the girl and they go around the track and

1582
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 3: she's making the engine, and that's probably quite you know,

1583
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 3: twenty first century. She's the one designing the engine, he's

1584
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 3: the one driving it. They fall in love and by

1585
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 3: the end of it, everything's happy. Does he go off

1586
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 3: the rails? Does he go off the road? Does he

1587
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 3: crash the car? No, he doesn't. He gets the love

1588
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 3: of his life, which he's needed because he's been alone

1589
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 3: all of us. Anyway, I'm probably spoiling the story too. Anyway,

1590
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 3: Just go and see it, do you know why? Because

1591
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: it's normal. It's a normal movie. It's not like the

1592
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 3: Pope one where the Pope one was so good and

1593
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 3: then right at the end, oh it's the Pope that

1594
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 3: it's a it's a woman man man, woman, And you're.

1595
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 24: So we're spoiling every movie that's come out in the life.

1596
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 3: That's an old one. That's an old one. We've had

1597
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: a pope die and a new one anointed since then.

1598
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, why can't movies just

1599
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: be normal? And why do they have to be three

1600
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 3: and a half hours. That's why I gave this one

1601
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 3: a ten out of ten at two and a half

1602
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 3: two hours, thirty five years and you're out. I even

1603
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 3: had three chicken sliders and a Coke zero while I

1604
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 3: was in there, which I actually have reconsidered that that

1605
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 3: is a bad idea because it's kind of it's just rude.

1606
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a dick move, you know what

1607
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 3: I mean. You're making noise, You're disturbing those around you.

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01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: Some people have their own little lamp that they turn

1609
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 3: on to eat their chicken sliders, and I'm thinking, this

1610
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 3: is not right. This is a movie theater, you know,

1611
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,480
Speaker 3: You know when you go to a restaurant.

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01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 24: Food should have no place in a cinema, in a

1613
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 24: movie theater either, Like the smell is just going to

1614
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 24: bug people.

1615
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: I just yeah, ten to agree, ten to agree. And

1616
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: when you've got a knife and a fork, when you've

1617
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: got real cutlery and people who are sitting pretty much

1618
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 3: in the dark. You know those restaurants where you go

1619
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 3: where they're blind and you are dark dining. Yeah, dark dining.

1620
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 3: It's dark dining, which is dumb dining because you're trying

1621
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 3: to watch a movie and the cutlery. It's no, can't

1622
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: do it anyway. It's twenty two minutes.

1623
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Away from seven Bryan Bridge.

1624
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 3: Now you know which movie to see and how to

1625
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 3: see it and how it ends. Sorry about that all right?

1626
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 3: Did you know all of the medicinal cannabis you can

1627
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 3: buy here is imported? Yes, all of it comes from overseas,

1628
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: despite local companies which know already, which are already up

1629
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 3: and running and doing it quite well, thank you very much.

1630
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 3: Medical marijuana company Puro has just signed a sixteen million

1631
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: dollar distribution deal in the United Kingdom, but they say

1632
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 3: red tape is stopping the company from selling domestically. Tim

1633
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: Aldridge is the CEO of pre PRUO and is with me. Now, Hi, Tim,

1634
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 3: how are you?

1635
01:25:59,360 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm good?

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01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 17: Thanks? Cur was enjoying that that we move debriefly a right,

1637
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 17: so it was to go check that one out.

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01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: You will have to go and check it out, hey, Tim,

1639
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: So this congratulations on signing this distribution deal. By the way,

1640
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 3: that's massive, well done, But why can't you sell it here?

1641
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 18: Ah?

1642
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 17: Look so the I guess this time last year the

1643
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 17: regulations changed so we could export, which was obviously something

1644
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 17: we're very grateful for and is an amazing outcome for us.

1645
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 17: So and this in the last twelve months, we've been

1646
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 17: foot to the floor producing our products primarily for export markets.

1647
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 17: We do have some local supply here and sort of

1648
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 17: caveat not all cannabis is important, but almost. Also it's

1649
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 17: very very hard for local companies like us to bring

1650
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 17: our products to the market. In fact, it's just almost

1651
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 17: it's just commercially challenging. So I mean the neat part

1652
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 17: of that is obviously the export opportunities are enormous. The

1653
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 17: demand for our products and the reception we're received offshore

1654
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 17: for our products is incredible. But yes, as you say before,

1655
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 17: it's it's just too difficult to sort of navigate the

1656
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 17: regulatory environment here and it's a lot easier for us

1657
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 17: to focus on the larger export markets instead.

1658
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 3: So you manufacture it here but then export there, but

1659
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 3: you only have to make their standards, that is correct.

1660
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 17: So we're a grower, so we operate entirely in the

1661
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 17: primary industry, and there are no manufacturers here or packaging.

1662
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 17: Some companies here that can take our product and run

1663
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 17: it through what's not as a GMP process. So it's

1664
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 17: those sort of those companies and there are some facilities

1665
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 17: in the pipeline. Hopefully they can come online in the

1666
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 17: foreseeable future. But right here, right now, we have to

1667
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 17: send their products to Australia to be packaged and then

1668
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 17: obviously we could bring them back into the country, but

1669
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 17: it's just cumbersome and it's expensive and it's quite time consuming,

1670
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 17: and obviously they're already in the markets that we are

1671
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 17: really targeting. Anyway, it just makes sense commercial sense for

1672
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 17: us to focus on those markets. So we're in Australia

1673
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 17: at the moment. The products have been incredibly well received

1674
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 17: and as a touchop before just now it's the very

1675
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 17: last deal with IPS Farmer in the UK to take

1676
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 17: our products into lund and throughout the United Kingdom, and

1677
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 17: there's this amazing opportunity not only for Pure but also

1678
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 17: for the New Zealand industry to follow suit.

1679
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: Well, dumbass, So what who is it which government agencies

1680
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: specifically do we need to start hassling about this?

1681
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 17: So yeah, we obviously work with a lot of government

1682
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 17: agencies and I wouldn't minds stat of doing a shout

1683
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 17: out because there is left handed government that's been so

1684
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 17: so supportive for us. So we've got the New Zealand

1685
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 17: Trading Enterprise, the Ministry of Primary Industries and Treasury have

1686
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 17: been outstanding and we wouldn't be able to get to

1687
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 17: market and sort of achieve what we have achieved a

1688
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 17: date without their support. But on the other hand we

1689
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 17: sort of have aspects of government that are perhaps less supportive.

1690
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 17: So obviously the Ministry Health is our regulator, who on

1691
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 17: balance do do a good job. There's obviously some very

1692
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 17: good people in there. We have a wonderful relationship with.

1693
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 3: Them, throwing people under the bus, but yes, we would.

1694
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,839
Speaker 17: Prefer if they could be a little bit more proactive

1695
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 17: and supportive of the sector, just to ensure that we,

1696
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 17: you know, here in New Zealand, we can obviously bring

1697
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 17: our products to market because yea, we've got nearly a

1698
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 17: thousand shoe holders with a huge community support. You know,

1699
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 17: we're wonderful sort of success story as far as you know,

1700
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 17: taking this new industry forward. And we get asked every

1701
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 17: single day from our community why aren't our products available here?

1702
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 17: For kiwis And sadly the simple answer is we're not

1703
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 17: allowed to. So that that does sit with the ministry

1704
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 17: healthy and obviously be a wonderful outcome if we could

1705
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 17: have a more pragmatic conversation with them to chieve some change.

1706
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 17: But until then, obviously we're very grateful to be able

1707
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 17: to export and you know, it's a very successful.

1708
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 3: Term, very diplomatically done. Well done on that. But also

1709
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 3: I think I know where to go and her to

1710
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 3: talk to. Do you think all of this, you know,

1711
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 3: the the not fear, well, I guess it is a

1712
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 3: bit of fear, but a bit of fear in the

1713
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 3: red tape comes from the fact that it comes from

1714
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 3: the fact that it's weed, and for a long time

1715
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: it was well it's still illegal now, but it was

1716
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 3: not to be used or even thought of for use,

1717
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 3: and suddenly we've changed the things and it's to take

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Speaker 3: us a bit of time to catch up.

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Speaker 1: That is correct.

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Speaker 17: So there is a sort a lot of sort of

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Speaker 17: prehistoric stigma and concern around there around the products and

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Speaker 17: what we sort of have found that the New Zealand

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Speaker 17: sort of I guess approach to regular in the industry

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Speaker 17: is I didn't almost a bit uncertainty. So there is

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Speaker 17: you know, an element of risk involved, and because they're

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Speaker 17: not necessarily sure on how to manage that rest, they're

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Speaker 17: come in with a variable sledge hemmer and and sort

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Speaker 17: of effectively prevent us from accessing markets. So you're being

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Speaker 17: on it is it is a case of a bit

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01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 17: of bit of you know, a bit of history and

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Speaker 17: a bit of an uncertainty from you know, from from

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Speaker 17: the regulators and from aspects of government. But you know,

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Speaker 17: we've sort of proven over the last few years. You know,

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Speaker 17: the industry has been going for five years now and

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Speaker 17: we've sort of gained the social license that is needed

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Speaker 17: to you know, to build trust and relationships across all

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Speaker 17: the aspects of government. And obviously we'd welcome a conversation

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Speaker 17: with with our regulator and likewise of the Ministry for

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Speaker 17: Regulations to you to allow some pragmatic change and allow

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Speaker 17: kiwis to start accessing locally grow on products.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, Tim keep up the good work. Sounds

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Speaker 3: like you're doing lots of it. Tim Aldridge with us

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Speaker 3: the puro CEO. It has just gone seventeen minutes away

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Speaker 3: from seven. You're on news talk to he be lots

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Speaker 3: of text on eating in the cinema, Ryan, you were

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01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 3: using cutlerry to eat chicken sliders.

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Speaker 1: What a dick.

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Speaker 3: It's Steve, Yes, I was Steve. I couldn't even tell

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Speaker 3: you why I was doing that. I think just because

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Speaker 3: they were given to me, if I'm being honest with you,

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Speaker 3: and someone else says I saw the same movie This

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Speaker 3: is Muzz and Brad Pitt crashed a number of times. Yes,

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Speaker 3: of course he did crash in the movie. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's a movie. It has ups and downs, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not all just one happy race. That

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Speaker 3: would be boring, wouldn't it. But at the end he survives.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've told you I've ruined the movie. He

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Speaker 3: survives and he marries the woman happily ever after. It's

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Speaker 3: sixteen Away from seven Next.

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Speaker 3: Talks Envy Bit in Away from seven News Talk to

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Speaker 3: Big Devin Gray are UK correspondent with us this evening

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Speaker 3: Given Hello. In the twentieth anniversary of the London Tira

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Speaker 3: attacks seven seven, King Charles is calling on the nation

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Speaker 3: to remember Yes.

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Speaker 9: That's right.

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Speaker 25: The series of events ryan now through London today at

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01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 25: which the King, Prime Minister arether members of their royal

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01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 25: family are taking part and looking back on these attacks

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Speaker 25: which left fifty two people dead and more than seven

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Speaker 25: hundred and fifty injured on the seventh of July two

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Speaker 25: thousand and five on three underground trains and a bus.

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Speaker 25: He's going to see an important moment that twenty years on,

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Speaker 25: to see how has the country changed. Has it changed much?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 25: King Charles's message saying that people stand united against those

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Speaker 25: who would seek to divide us. Condemning the senseless acts

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Speaker 25: of evil, The Prime Minister said that the country will

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Speaker 25: unite to remember the lives lost and all those whose

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Speaker 25: lives were changed forever. There were more than seven hundred

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Speaker 25: run who were injured as well, some of them with

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Speaker 25: life changing injuries. But these events today will also, i think,

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Speaker 25: be looking at what has caused them already. A former

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01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 25: senior police officer has described the fact that we can't

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Speaker 25: deny that foreign policy can sometimes impact what happens here

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Speaker 25: at home, of course, referring to the fact that Tony

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Speaker 25: blairs foreign policy was led to blame by many for

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Speaker 25: those attacks on the seventh of July. And currently, of course,

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Speaker 25: the UK stance over what's happening between Israel in Gaza

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Speaker 25: is another factor.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on with Poland the sending troops to

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Speaker 3: the border with Germany. What's that about?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, five thousand troops and potentially as well as some

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Speaker 25: drones surveillance operators as well.

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Speaker 9: This is all over a row.

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Speaker 25: That has been going up between the governments in Wars

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Speaker 25: and Berlin in how to deal with refugees trying to

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Speaker 25: cross between the two countries. Now, for a long time,

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Speaker 25: Poland has been blaming Russia and Belarus for what it

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Speaker 25: believes is an orchestrated influx of migrants. In other words,

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Speaker 25: it's being alleged that Russia and Belarus are basically coaching

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Speaker 25: migrants to the border and then encouraging them to get

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Speaker 25: into Poland and other Eastern European countries. Now, both Belarus

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Speaker 25: and Russia deny that, but it has led to a sudden,

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Speaker 25: massive spike in the number of people from the East

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Speaker 25: trying to seek asylum in those countries. And it means

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Speaker 25: that sort of some migrants have literally been going ping

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Speaker 25: pong across the two countries of Poland and Germany and

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Speaker 25: the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk's liberal government has been

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Speaker 25: accused by opposition parties there of accepting numerous illegal migrants

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Speaker 25: being sent back to Poland from Germany. Now to narrowly

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Speaker 25: survived a confidence vote in the Polish parliament, but the

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Speaker 25: president elect has campaigned on a promise to ensure that

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Speaker 25: basically policies favor polls over all other nationalities, including Ukrainian refugees.

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Speaker 9: So a big, big change here.

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Speaker 25: At the heart of you at workhose we're supposed to

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Speaker 25: have complete free movement of people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting development, isn't it now? Nineteen twenty three the

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Speaker 3: last time that people swam in the sein and outside

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Speaker 3: of the Olympics, and now it's open for everybody apparently.

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Speaker 3: Will you be having a dip given.

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Speaker 25: Ah ha ah No, I don't think I will. Still

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01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 25: a bit brown and murky for me. But the first,

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Speaker 25: very hardy, adventurous swimmers have been in for their dip.

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Speaker 25: So the ban came in in nineteen twenty three basically

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Speaker 25: because of pollution, and the French government spent an enormous

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Speaker 25: amount of money roughly two point eight billion New Zealand

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Speaker 25: dollars to tidy up the River Saine. The problem is

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01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 25: it's an old structure, rather like the Thames, and a

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01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 25: lot of fluent and fecal material ends up going into

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Speaker 25: the river. Now they managed to stop a lot of that,

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01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 25: and it is certainly better than it was as the

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01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 25: Thames is much better. But would I go in for

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Speaker 25: a dip, No, I don't think so. But this has

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01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 25: been a huge project, part incidentally of the promise to

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Speaker 25: the Olympic authorities that there would be a legacy following

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Speaker 25: last year's Olympics, that they were going to make the

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Speaker 25: river quality much better. But still I think with heavy rain,

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01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 25: I'm afraid some of that sort of excess water tends

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01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 25: to be washed in to the river with a whole

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01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 25: load of other things that we weren't mentioned, which did

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01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 25: lead to some very nasty stomach bugs in the past.

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01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 25: But nevertheless, always good to see some environmental measures. But

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Speaker 25: I have to say the bill seems inordinately high.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally out of WEK, doesn't it. Gevin, thank you

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Speaker 3: for that. Devin Gray are UK europe correspondent. Time is

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Speaker 3: eight minutes away from seven. You're on News Talk c B.

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Speaker 3: Would be back in just a moment. I have thought

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Speaker 3: of one final Netflix series titled for You for the

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Speaker 3: for the Mushroom Case. We might finish on that next.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather tuplus Allan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: It is six minutes away from seven. Great to have

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Speaker 3: your company this afternoon. We've had loads of funny texts.

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Speaker 3: We've had loads of funny messages and I appreciate them all.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two the number text. I'll be back

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Speaker 3: with you tomorrow. In fact, I'll be back tomorrow at

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Speaker 3: seven am on Herald.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 3: You can catch me on Herald dot co dot in

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Speaker 3: Zen wherever it is, and here with you covering for

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Speaker 3: Heather tomorrow afternoon from four o'clock. I look forward to

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Speaker 3: seeing you then. And it's what are we going out

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Speaker 3: to tonight?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Didn't you have one more name for the Netflix series?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing that view?

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Speaker 25: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shataka happens.

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Speaker 24: Good work, good work, Ryan, good stuff. Can't wait to

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Speaker 24: see you again tomorrow. Someone you loved by Lewis Capaldi

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Speaker 24: to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 15: Good news.

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Speaker 24: Actually, Lewis Capaldi was meant to come to New Zealand

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Speaker 24: and play a show in Auckland and a show and

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Speaker 24: Wellington in twenty twenty three, but he had to pull

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Speaker 24: out because of health reasons. And generally when that happens

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Speaker 24: to New Zealand and they say oh it's all good,

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Speaker 24: old postpone and come back again, you sort of sit

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Speaker 24: there and you're like, okay, but is he ever going

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Speaker 24: to be back? Well, here's Lewis is going to be

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Speaker 24: back in November and December this year. He's going to

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Speaker 24: play a show at wolf Wroo Arena and christ Church

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Speaker 24: on Sunday November thirtieth and Auckland Spark Arena on Tuesday December,

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Speaker 24: the second no New Wellington show. So that's possibly a

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Speaker 24: slap in the face to the capital. But if you

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Speaker 24: did have a ticket to that show, or indeed the

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Speaker 24: other Auckland show he was going to do you get

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Speaker 24: to buy you get first go at buying the tickets

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Speaker 24: to this one, so it's nice. Yeah, that's right, and

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Speaker 24: you've got your money back. You should have got your

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Speaker 24: money back for the last one.

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Speaker 3: So do you think he's just not going to Wellington

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Speaker 3: because it's gone to the dog since he last.

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Speaker 24: Was Wow, that's all that's a that's a question, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: They certainly aren't telling us. They're just all of a sudden,

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Speaker 24: there's Auckland christ Church instead of walk On Wellington. But arrible,

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Speaker 24: but yeah. If you had a ticket to either of

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Speaker 24: the previous shows, you can buy your tickets from Thursday,

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Speaker 24: everybody else. If you sign up at secretsounds dot com,

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Speaker 24: you can get your tickets from Friday this week.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant, great guy, good intel and see to my everybody

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Speaker 3: have a g have a lovely evening.

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Speaker 11: Saw me say it your sout sill a cold back

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Speaker 11: around for now. The table in Snai Fall, you know

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Speaker 11: he's to give me through it all a littlema God.

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Speaker 13: And then you pulled the rod.

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Speaker 11: I was scaring Cony used to being so waylve. And

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Speaker 11: now the tables in Snelli fol you know he has

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Speaker 11: to give me.

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Speaker 23: Through it all a little guard out. And then you

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Speaker 23: pulled the rack. I was scary. Caddy used to be it.

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Speaker 11: So we left the litta guard out and live you

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Speaker 11: pulled the round. I was scaring Cody used to being

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Speaker 11: so way lost.

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