1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Gloriaville's School will shut down from January next year. It 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: has failed two Education Review Office audits and in July 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: was found to be physically and emotionally unsafe space for students. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Miss Gordon is an educational researcher and she joins me. Now, 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: good morning, Liza On. This has been a long time coming, 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: hasn't it. 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been calling for a closure of the 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: school for fifteen years. 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So will the children be allowed to be homeschooled 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: or part of Takura or are they losing the ability 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: to do that as well? 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: Well. Everybody has the right to an education in New 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Zealand and it's up to the Ministry of Education to 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: ensure that they get a different one. But it's more 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: complicated than that too, because these children have been educated 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: for years in our fundamentaler's Christian beliefs. There was a 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: private school and they were taught their own curriculum. They 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: were taught that girls must submit themselves to their husbands, 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: that their own new role was to leave school at 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: fifteen and to serve the community and to serve their 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: husbands and have as many babies as possible. The men 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: were taught that their job was on the farms and 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: to again to serve the community. There was sexual abuse, 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: there was violence, you know that there. So it's not 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: just a matter of continuing their education, having examine place 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: to resolve all the past issues and the and and 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: give these children some human rights and. 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: What so, what is the best outcome for these children. 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: They should go to it. They should go to an 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: ordinary school. But I think get you see, they Gloria 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 2: Vale built a big school. It was a private school 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: so got subsidies from from the tax player for many 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: years and it built out of that a big school 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: which is sitting there on the grounds. And my own 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: view is that the ministry should in the interim negotiate 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: to put in a group a number of professional teachers, 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: bring them to the community and have the kids taught there. 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: Now it's not the ideal situation, but the nearest school 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: is all good. Half recorders are an now away. There 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 2: is another one a bit further away from that. They're 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: both very small schools. I don't think that to kurna 42 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: education where children get papers through the mail is going 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: to cut it. Well, not through the male Now it's 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: it's online, but I don't think that's going to cut it. 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: I don't think homeschooling is going to cut it, because 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: the parents of those children were also brought up in 47 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: their ideology and have no other focus for educating them, 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: and so it's just going to continues the abuse of 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: education un less than some sort of intervention. 50 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: As the public schools that are around them, would they 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: be resourced well enough to support a transition like this 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: to have these children come from Gloriaville into their schools. 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: So the new classrooms two hundred and twenty four I 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: believe are children. So that's all nine or ten classrooms 55 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: that those classrooms would need to be everything from year 56 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: one right up to year thirteen. And of course the 57 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: answer is no. Well, I think it was more from 58 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: double size of the post of schools. So it's awfully 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: late in the year. Yes, it is awfully late in 60 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: the year for two hundred and twenty four abused children 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: to get a decent education in twenty twenty. 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: Three, and as you point out, very complicated, quite a 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: complex situation to try and fix there. Thank you so much, Liz, 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: really appreciate your thoughts. This morning. 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