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Speaker 1: Mike Costing breakfast with the Jaguar f base come from

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Speaker 2: News talk said, been can go ahead of the Navy

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Speaker 2: on his insurance? Whose shipping is clean up? Why are

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Speaker 2: some bank still stress testing at just under nine percent

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Speaker 2: of the primement of store and everything? From Nicole the

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Speaker 2: Key to underwriting house building? Nick Bryant gives us his

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Speaker 2: reader or were the months to go? On the US vote?

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field is in France. Rob Liddle is in the

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Speaker 2: UK for US tasking Welcome to Tuesday seven past six.

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Speaker 2: So I guess the first thing to say about marking

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Speaker 2: the one year anniversary of the Hamas attack is why

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Speaker 2: do we always mark one year, especially when it comes

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Speaker 2: to terror or wars? I mean, what's the difference one year,

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Speaker 2: one month, three years? Does it make it any better

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Speaker 2: or worse? More or less significant? So observations I've made

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Speaker 2: well won. I think I was right when the war

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Speaker 2: broke out, and given I said at the time, there

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Speaker 2: is no difference to the last or the one before,

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Speaker 2: or the one before or the one before. The hate

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Speaker 2: hasn't changed the view and the outlook hasn't changed. The

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Speaker 2: sides haven't changed. I do note our bandwidth his tested.

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Speaker 2: The original war Ukraine is not mentioned anywhere near the

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Speaker 2: way it used to be. The Middle East has taken precedence.

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Speaker 2: We seem incapable. All the editors who put together the

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Speaker 2: coverage seem to think we're incapable of more than one war. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: the media as always a bias towards the Palestinians as

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Speaker 2: they have always been, which is not to side, of course,

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Speaker 2: with Israel at all. It's just to point out the

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Speaker 2: go to stance the media has always taken to is

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Speaker 2: to walk through rubble or show some homeless or some

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Speaker 2: blood or some pleading doctors. Doesn't mean their plight isn't

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Speaker 2: real or urgent. It's just very one sided. Another observation,

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Speaker 2: we seem to have been lucky here. Some of the

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Speaker 2: angst and the anger that the Australians for example, have

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Speaker 2: scene hasn't arrived here. Yes, we've had the old protest,

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Speaker 2: but not really in large numbers, and you never really

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Speaker 2: got the sense it was growing in spirit. It seems

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Speaker 2: to have been the same old Pickacau's rabble. The UN

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Speaker 2: has failed, as it always does gueterists saying it must

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Speaker 2: stop now really has never been, nor is it now

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Speaker 2: any effective means of diplomacy. Anthony Blincoln deserves a medal.

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Speaker 2: You can't claim he hasn't worked as butt off trying

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Speaker 2: to sort it all out. So given its presidential year

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Speaker 2: in America, and given it's not just Israel v. Hamas

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Speaker 2: but Israel v Hesbala, and it's in Lebanon and it's

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Speaker 2: in Iran, now you can probably point a figure towards

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Speaker 2: the White House and say Biden's failed. The problem today

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Speaker 2: is the problem it's always been. Of course, was Nitnyah

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Speaker 2: who justified to respond, Yes, was he ever going to

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Speaker 2: get rid of Hamas or his Balabo? No? Was he

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Speaker 2: ever going to stop Iran wanting Israel wiped off the map? No?

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Speaker 2: Will this come to an end eventually? Yes? How I

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Speaker 2: don't know. But this is indistinguishable from every other time

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Speaker 2: this lot go at each other. So marking twelve months

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Speaker 2: means nothing.

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Speaker 1: Who news of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Y's October seventh and many parts of the world, so

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Speaker 2: they remember.

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Speaker 3: You change for every as well.

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Speaker 4: We want to live in peace with everybody, but we

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Speaker 4: cannot live when there is an organization like Hamas and Physibla.

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Speaker 5: Total collapse and what we thought it was very safe.

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Speaker 2: Israel's president, the world has to realize and understand that

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Speaker 2: in order to change the course of history and bring

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Speaker 2: peace into a better future to the region.

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Speaker 6: It must support Israel and its battle against its enemies.

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Speaker 2: Britain's Prime minister fifteen British citizens for brutally slain that day.

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Speaker 2: Another has since died in captivity. Our thoughts today are

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Speaker 2: with the Jewish people around the world, the Jewish community

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Speaker 2: here in the United Kingdom, Britten's former Prime minister.

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Speaker 7: We should not forget the base cause of all these events,

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Speaker 7: Iran's refusal to accept Israel's right to exist and its

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Speaker 7: desire to destabilize the region through arming and funding its

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Speaker 7: terrorist proxies Hamas, has Bila and the Hooties.

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Speaker 2: Questions, of course, as to what has been achieved in

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Speaker 6: Even if we shall kill all Hamas activists and all

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Speaker 6: On the day after two Politinian children that lost their families,

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Speaker 2: Then Stateside Advance knows who he blames.

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Speaker 8: What we've seen from the current administration is a lot

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Speaker 2: Finally, thirty one year old treasure hunt in France finally

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Speaker 2: come to a need sly. In fact, in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: find the location of an owl token that you could

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Speaker 2: then exchange for a golden owl three kgs of gold,

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Speaker 2: seven kgs of silver and diamonds on its face. Now,

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Speaker 2: the more than two hundred thousand hours have been told

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Speaker 2: all of that, all that's left now is for the

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Speaker 2: golden owl is worth about two hundred and seventy thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: and that is news of the world. In ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: They've done a deal. The more leaves in Indiana. This

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Speaker 2: is interesting because the relationship between India and the Maldives

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Speaker 2: to extend hundreds of millions of dollars. It's all about

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Speaker 2: influence in that particular part of the world, and the

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Speaker 2: Maldives is troubled financially despite the fact that to Meca

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Speaker 2: gone to see Moody. They've had a chat. Hundreds of

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Speaker 2: the Maldives of state financially for now. Twelve Pars six.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what Ireland's got us here of troubles this morning,

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Speaker 2: Pars six JM by Wealth Andrew Keller Her, Good morning, Mike,

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Speaker 2: Very glad you've raised this because I don't know that

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Speaker 2: This stimulus that's going on in China, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's interesting, and as you're right, it

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Speaker 3: probably hasn't got enough coverage because this is, after all,

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, China.

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Speaker 3: You've had this stunning, stunning rally in Chinese share markets,

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Speaker 5: The effect was huge.

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Speaker 3: There our biggest trading partner, and I think one analyst

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Speaker 3: It's reverberating right around the world because all the world

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Speaker 3: term shunt. It's moving markets around. So let's look at currencies.

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Speaker 3: First of all, so we're seeing an impact on the

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Speaker 2: The little flightless bird clawed its way back up.

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Speaker 3: To almost sixty four cents. That's quite a big move,

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Speaker 2: So that's the problem for your wallet.

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Speaker 3: But the rbn Z, if you worry about the inflation impact,

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Speaker 10: We can either cheap living with those awful legacy histories,

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Speaker 5: In his nut.

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Speaker 2: That guy's finn at parties. He makes a lot of

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Speaker 2: I've got pheasants at my place and I go often,

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Speaker 2: She never says that I just go fissant, and it's

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Speaker 2: Togs Head been Nobel Prize Week. You know I love

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Speaker 11: Do we forget out how to make it bluetooth come

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's Thursdays right, nounce, Okay, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 12: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 2: How wide spreads that at just under nine percent.

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Speaker 12: They're starting to drop just some of them are waiting

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Speaker 2: Of this exactly. I see, I'm getting a mixed message.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think they've been overly cautious at the moment,

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, if they go fifty points,

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Speaker 13: That's right.

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Speaker 12: So I think you'll see a big move once the

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Speaker 2: Well, I reckon, and what's the demand for money? Like,

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Speaker 13: Absolutely?

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Speaker 12: And we've seen it and you've talked about it this morning. Already,

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Speaker 12: They're not that far away. You can borrow about five

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Speaker 12: It's going to stop at six, So the test rates

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, exactly, with all the rules that we've got

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Speaker 12: And it's their reaction to that to say, GF rates

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Speaker 12: If we were lucky enough to sit them there. I

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Speaker 12: So it's a reaction to something that's in the past.

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Speaker 12: They could have fixed it long ago. They had the

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Speaker 2: It's almost as though Adrian cocked it up. Bruce preciated

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Speaker 2: I said, why are you giving the banks all the

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Speaker 2: but there's been some real anks around some of the

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Speaker 2: protests Andustralia. Fifty one percent of voter to say Australia

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Speaker 2: should not voice in principal support for either Israel or Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Strongest support for Israel among those remaining voters twenty three

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Speaker 2: percent in favor of voicing and principal support for Israel

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Speaker 2: only twelve percent. For Gaza, thirty two percent say there

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Speaker 2: was an increase in anti Semitism and fourteen percent say

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Speaker 2: there was more Islamophobia. Speaking of Poults as a very

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Speaker 2: good one about the amount of anti Semitic behavior and

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Speaker 2: the states that will come to later in the program

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Speaker 2: eighteen to two the.

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Speaker 1: Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by.

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Speaker 2: Newstalksp Starting to deal with Milton and Florida. They're still

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Speaker 2: mopping up from Helene. Forty seven point five billion. They've

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Speaker 2: at last put a number on at forty seven point

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Speaker 2: Milton's five Category five. Helen was four, but it swept

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Speaker 2: through Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. And of

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Speaker 2: course you've got massive insurance problems in that particular part

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Speaker 2: of the world. So the number they put on that

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Speaker 2: forty seven point five billion dollars in loss of property

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Speaker 2: somewhere between twenty and thirty billion on uninsure flood losses. So,

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Speaker 2: as Richard said yesterday, you don't recover from that six forty.

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Speaker 1: Five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business is brance.

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Speaker 2: Did catron Field. Very good morning to you. Good morning mane.

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Speaker 2: Well I was away last week and you were away

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Speaker 2: the week before and you went somewhere. Where'd you go?

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Speaker 2: And was it fun?

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Speaker 14: Oh, it's lots of fun. I went to peninsula off

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Speaker 14: the west coast of France called Kibon and it was fabulous.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. And did you get a tan or

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Speaker 2: did you drink a lot? Or did you cause any

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Speaker 2: scandal or what happened there?

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Speaker 14: The noose scandals?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 14: No, it's a lovely peninsula. You know that one side

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Speaker 14: of it goes out towards Atlantic, another goes into Bay,

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Speaker 14: so you have two very distinct sides of the peninsula.

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Speaker 14: On one side that's very sheltered. One of it's most

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Speaker 14: famous plants there is something called the pahuta kawa.

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 14: I can send you photos.

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Speaker 2: And when do you and when you see the pahota

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Speaker 2: kawa bloom in that part of the world early, does

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Speaker 2: that mean a good summer or is it reversed like

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Speaker 2: the sink goes round the other one and it means

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Speaker 2: a good winter At No.

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Speaker 14: We weren't just notice that it blooms all year round

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Speaker 14: because it's got such a micro climate.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 14: Wow, and everyone's really impressed that I know the name too,

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Speaker 14: so they said, oh, wow, she knows what she's talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly, and that's why you're on the program cast

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Speaker 2: because you know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 2: Get me to NATO and they got a new head,

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Speaker 2: mister Rutter of course, and mister Fico still causing the problem.

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Speaker 2: And this is Ukraine, so what do they do?

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Speaker 14: Oh enormous prot me a new NATO sexty general been

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Speaker 14: in the job what seven days or really having problems.

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Speaker 14: It was supposed to be the great start to his

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Speaker 14: leadership of NATO with he went to Ukraine last week,

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Speaker 14: he spectors Zelenski and we're all meant to be looking

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Speaker 14: forward to the end of this week make for that

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Speaker 14: big summit that's happening in Germany. Biden Macron shorts. Everyone's

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Speaker 14: going to be there, and it was meant to be

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Speaker 14: the time when NATO hands Ukraine if you're like a

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Speaker 14: concrete pathway to integration and possible membership of NATO. But

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Speaker 14: it hasn't really worked out. We've now got Fico in

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Speaker 14: in Slovakia as well as the Hungarians saying pretty much

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Speaker 14: not in our lifetime that NATO membership will not be

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Speaker 14: available for Ukraine. So you're a lot of fudging around

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Speaker 14: over this next couple of days. Might because Zelenski is

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Speaker 14: essentially going to come to Germany at the end of

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Speaker 14: this week with what he calls is a victory plan.

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Speaker 14: He wants his victory plan endorsed by NATO. He also

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Speaker 14: wants to reinforce that idea that they need to be

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Speaker 14: part of Western Security Alliance. But he also needs more resources.

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Speaker 14: This war has now been going on since February twenty

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Speaker 14: twenty two. He needs NATO to step up, just at

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Speaker 14: a time when NATO's trying to keep its own members

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Speaker 14: on site exactly now.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I made an observation on the program earlier on

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Speaker 2: this morning. I'd be interested to know and how it's

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Speaker 2: covered in your part of the world. We don't get

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Speaker 2: coverage of Ukraine the way we used to, because my

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Speaker 2: argument is the people who put the news together these

522
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Speaker 2: days think we don't have the bandwidth the deal with

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Speaker 2: two wars at once. So we're very much dominated by

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Speaker 2: the Middle East at the moment. Is it the same

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Speaker 2: in Europe? Will not say, pretty.

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Speaker 14: Much dominated by the Middle East, but also still a

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Speaker 14: lot about Ukraine mainly because of just everything that flows

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Speaker 14: from Ukraine. Or you've got the migration, you've got the

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Speaker 14: strain on the economy, you've got so many strains, you've

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Speaker 14: got it always happening. And you know, we are very

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Speaker 14: close to Ukraine, as it's not that far away, so

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Speaker 14: it's still un alvels.

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Speaker 1: Plus you still have.

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Speaker 14: A lot of Ukrainian refugees who live in France, who

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Speaker 14: live in Europe, and they lead this very strange existence, mate,

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Speaker 14: because you can actually go back to Ukraine and you

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Speaker 14: see people who go back for holidays, go back and

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Speaker 14: see their family in Kiev and then come back, and

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Speaker 14: buses leave and they take people. And if you want

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Speaker 14: to send parcels to relatives in Ukraine, you take it

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Speaker 14: down to the bus station, put on the bus and

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Speaker 14: they drop it off in Levev or Kiev. So it's

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Speaker 14: something that's always there, even though it might not always

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Speaker 14: be number one on the news bullets. And of an evening, very.

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Speaker 2: Interesting us to talk to Catherine and go, well, we'll

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Speaker 2: catch up soon, Catherine Field and France, and of course

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Speaker 2: western side of the country is largely untouched, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Just quickly on Ireland because I've got to so this

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Speaker 2: honey trap thing, here's the important part about it. So

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Speaker 2: it's been revealed that an Irish MP was hooked up

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Speaker 2: by a Russian during the Brixit talks, and the Irish

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Speaker 2: MP promised to do a whole bunch of inferious stuff,

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Speaker 2: a lot of which he had no right to be

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Speaker 2: able to say, not only legally, but he had no

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Speaker 2: real connection with the bricks At talks anyway, and he

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Speaker 2: was going to basically cause trouble. This has become public.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister an Ireland's guy called Harris, Simon Harris.

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Speaker 2: They asked him yesterday do you know who this person is?

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Speaker 2: And all he could say was, you know, the fact

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Speaker 2: that Russia's trying to interfere is of no surprise to anybody.

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Speaker 2: But the important part is this guy still in the Parliament.

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Speaker 2: So we don't know who he is, and we don't

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Speaker 2: know what he's doing there, and we don't know what

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Speaker 2: he promised or what he did he didn't do, and

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Speaker 2: how nefarious the whole thing's got so between the shin

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Speaker 2: Fein and the Prime Minister, Ireland has got itself in

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Speaker 2: a fair amount of pop It's nine minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: On My cost Breakfast with the Jaguar f Base News

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Speaker 1: Dogs FV.

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Speaker 2: What is it with labor governments? Elban easy first term government,

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Speaker 2: every chance of losing next year and Britain's got the

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Speaker 2: same problem. One hundred days and they're doing a reset

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Speaker 2: literally as we speak, they are resetting their government's agenda.

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Speaker 2: Are one hundred days in poll out this morning on

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Speaker 2: Starmer he now sits at minus thirty three. Rushi they

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Speaker 2: thought was bad at minus twenty six Starmers now minus

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Speaker 2: thirty three, which is a drop of forty four points

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Speaker 2: since he won the election. So what they're looking at

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Speaker 2: now They've got the budget coming up and that's a

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Speaker 2: disaster as well. Value added tax on private school fees.

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Speaker 2: They're rethinking that because they don't think that they can

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Speaker 2: get it implemented in time. They're reconsidering a planned overhaul

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Speaker 2: of the tax regime for non doms that's the foreigners,

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Speaker 2: because all the non doms are going to leave the

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Speaker 2: country and they don't even think they'll get the money

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Speaker 2: they thought they were going to get the first place. Also,

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Speaker 2: proposals to close loophole on carried interest, that sort of

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Speaker 2: private equhen he may don't worry about that. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's been looked at again because Treasury has had a

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Speaker 2: look at that and they say that could end up

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Speaker 2: costing the chancell of money instead of actually saving money.

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Speaker 2: So all of this was part of a big promise.

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Speaker 2: They were going to raise about nine billion dollars out

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Speaker 2: of all of this, and then they were going to

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Speaker 2: hire six and a half thousand new teachers, forty thousand

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Speaker 2: more operations scans and appointments in eight and a half

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Speaker 2: thousand new mental health staff. But given the getting none

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Speaker 2: of that, and they've been accepting freebies from Lord R.

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Speaker 2: Lee in the form of suits and glasses, things have

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Speaker 2: gone a bit pear shaped, five away from seven.

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Speaker 1: While the ins and the outs, it's the farz with

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Speaker 1: business favor. Take your business productivity to the next.

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Speaker 2: Level, you know, Rod with us after thirty this morning,

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Speaker 2: news from the Employment Relations Authority and NIB the Workplace

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Speaker 2: Well Being Survey. I love NIB. I've got to come

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Speaker 2: back to that because I had some troubles with NIB

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Speaker 2: the other day. Anyway, what have we got for their survey?

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Speaker 2: Sixty seven percent of us are concerned about personal finance.

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Speaker 2: That's up from fifty one percent from a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago. A lot of us worried. Eighty three percent

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Speaker 2: of us worried about the state of the economy, up

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Speaker 2: from seventy nine percent. No wonder. Fifty percent of us

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Speaker 2: worried about the ability to serve us our current level

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Speaker 2: of personal debt. That's up from thirty nine. Forty four

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Speaker 2: percent of us are worried about job security. That's up

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Speaker 2: from thirty three. When it comes to jobs and looking

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Speaker 2: for something new, seventeen percent of us are looking for

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Speaker 2: a second job.

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Speaker 5: Ha ha ha that.

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Speaker 2: Old, that old don't turn up Monday. And lazy resigning

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Speaker 2: or whatever the hell that particular trend that's over, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to our mental and physical strain, what

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Speaker 2: are we were stressed? Oh my god, we're stressed forty

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Speaker 2: nine percent more stress. Forty nine percent of us are

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Speaker 2: more stressed. Forty three percent of us are having troubled sleeping.

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Speaker 2: I had trouble sleeping last night, but I think it

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Speaker 2: was the heat because I'm not remotely and we've got

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Speaker 2: lovely new linen sheets, and can I make a personal

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Speaker 2: recommendation to you, I've gone from cotton to linen and

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Speaker 2: there is nothing more curious than linen sheeting. Absolutely delightful.

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Speaker 11: So not that you were different your pheasants outside and

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Speaker 11: your I've got my.

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Speaker 2: Peasants outside and I've gotten the linen sheeting inside. Not

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Speaker 2: that it helped me sleep, but I think that's down

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Speaker 2: to the heat.

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Speaker 11: And the dog went out and backed at something.

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Speaker 2: There's a bit of that. Thirty eight percent of anxiety,

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Speaker 2: thirty eight percent of anxiety, thirty percent of feelings of worthlessness.

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Speaker 2: Seventy five percent, though, let me give you some good news.

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Speaker 2: Seventy five percent do say we are satisfied at work.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Three quarters of us are satisfied at work,

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Speaker 2: so why would you want to quit your satisfied sexty

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Speaker 2: you get some linen sheets, that'll go to eighty two.

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Speaker 2: If you sleep in linen sheets, you'll be loving your work.

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Speaker 2: Sixty one percent say they're unlikely to leave because we

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Speaker 2: value stability. Right now, that's just another way of saying

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Speaker 2: where shit's skicking of getting sent and we won't fight

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Speaker 2: another job. That's what that's about.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: You could, of course be the head of the navy,

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Speaker 2: so fortunately you're not. But Garners and he's with us.

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Speaker 1: Shortly used bold the mic asking breakfast with al Vida,

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Speaker 1: Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News.

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Speaker 2: Togsad be Wed seven past seven, So we have more

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Speaker 2: detail on our insurance question we raised with the Defense

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Speaker 2: Ministry yesterday, the monument that we had third party which

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Speaker 2: will to some degree help cover the clean up costs apparently,

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Speaker 2: so not exactly replacement insurance. So where are we at

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Speaker 2: the tub of maybe rare. Admiral Garren Golding is with us.

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Speaker 2: Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Just from a personal point of view, when you got

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Speaker 2: the news, could you believe what was happening?

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Speaker 4: It's pretty devastating news. It's a bad day in our navy,

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Speaker 4: but one that's not going to define us.

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Speaker 2: But literally when the phone rang, which I assume that

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Speaker 2: you must have thought what I mean, you can never

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Speaker 2: have thought that you would ever hear those words.

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Speaker 4: Look, well, when I got the phone, it was all

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Speaker 4: about priority as the safety and well being off the crew.

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Speaker 4: That was at the forefront of my mind, fair enough,

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Speaker 4: and being there last night when they arrived back and

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Speaker 4: he's yelling with the Prime Minister and Minister's pink and Collins.

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Speaker 4: It was to be there and present to welcome them

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Speaker 4: back to event quite through, quite an ordeal.

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Speaker 2: Right as far as the dive is, the assessment, the

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Speaker 2: time frame, the job, the cost, where are we at

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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 4: So at first light this morning, subject to favorable whether

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Speaker 4: the diver is going to head out to the site.

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Speaker 4: They've got a remotely operated vehicle which they'll send down

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Speaker 4: as well as do a number of dives. Their primary

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Speaker 4: purposes to assess the depth, the condition of the ship

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Speaker 4: and any presence of oil coming out of the vessel.

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Speaker 2: Beyond that, you've got no idea as to cost, time frame,

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Speaker 2: any of that.

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Speaker 4: No, the key focus for us is supporting the small

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Speaker 4: and government, so we've got a number of lines of effort.

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned, the diving will be conducted. Also have

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Speaker 4: maritime New Zealand experts with the light spilkit and some

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Speaker 4: environmental wildlife experts. They will be supporting the government authorities

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Speaker 4: with the cleanup and spill activities. We also got a

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Speaker 4: real navy ship, Tamar, which is nearby. They have a

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Speaker 4: spilkit on board. Unfortunately they have been unable to deploy

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Speaker 4: that due to the weather, but hopefully if the weather permits,

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Speaker 4: they'll get that out today and then we've got a

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Speaker 4: heavy spilkit from Maritime New Zealand that we're loading onto

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Speaker 4: Canbury and that will deploy tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Who makes decisions? Are you in charge or are the

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Speaker 2: Simons in charge?

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Speaker 4: It's a Samoan lead. We will provide support to them

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Speaker 4: and it's a cross agency response from a New Zealand perspective.

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Speaker 2: You got any clues as to what went wrong, that's.

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Speaker 4: The important part of it is not to do any speculation.

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Speaker 4: So we've got a Court of Inquiry team that we

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Speaker 4: are standing up. We're just close to finalizing that composition

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Speaker 4: and the terms of reference, making sure that the inquiry

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Speaker 4: covers the lead up, the event itself and also posts

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Speaker 4: so we can learn the lessons and not a repeat

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Speaker 4: event like this.

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Speaker 2: But what's the vibe? I mean, you must have a

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Speaker 2: hunt as to or you must have heard as to

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Speaker 2: what they think happened.

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Speaker 4: Again, my speculating is not what we want to do.

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Speaker 4: We need to understand the facts and that's the whole

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Speaker 4: reason we're setting up the Court of Inquiry and they

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Speaker 4: will do a number of interviews get to the bottom

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Speaker 4: of what went on and in time we'll release that.

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Speaker 2: What's your role with the Minister in an assessment of

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Speaker 2: a replacement. Do you have any say at all or not?

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Speaker 4: Really, that's up to the government to decide that as

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Speaker 4: part of our defense capability plan, and that is being

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Speaker 4: presented to them in the coming months.

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Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate time very much. Garren Golding, who

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Speaker 2: is a rear admiral head of the Navy. Ten minutes

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Speaker 2: past seven Principles Bill gets another outing today. David Tumill's

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Speaker 2: accepted a request from NATI Tower to debate that the

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Speaker 2: invitation came from the EE leader Helmet Modlika a couple

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Speaker 2: of months ago. The event's going to be screamed tonight.

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Speaker 2: The ACT leader, David Seymour is with us. David, very

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Speaker 2: good morning to you.

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Speaker 15: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: Is it a proper debate with rules of engagement in

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Speaker 2: the time framers? It are free for all.

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Speaker 15: Well, if you've ever watched the Working Group podcast, they

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Speaker 15: have four people. Two are kind of hosts, Martin Bradbury,

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Speaker 15: the former radio people. God yeah, but look they've also

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Speaker 15: got Damian Grant, who I'm sure you're.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 15: So look, it's it's a bit free flowing to be there,

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Speaker 15: but I think it's actually a really good format because

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Speaker 15: it allows people to make their points. It's a bit

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Speaker 15: of fun and it sounds like it's going to be

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Speaker 15: similar casts by indied me. The Herald's website are in

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Speaker 15: z on Sky eighty three and just about everyone who's

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Speaker 15: got anything kind of vaguely digital tonight.

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Speaker 2: You should have got David Higgins involved and how to

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Speaker 2: pay for you.

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Speaker 15: Well, actually, if I'd thought about that, if this one

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Speaker 15: goes well, and see if we can capitalize, does.

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Speaker 2: The Twain ever meet here? I mean, it's such rightly

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Speaker 2: or wrongly, whatever side you're on, it's such an angsty

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Speaker 2: debate now, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 15: I think that's true. But the people that have been

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Speaker 15: making the most noise are not the people that you want.

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Speaker 15: And that's why I accepted a debate with Helmut that

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Speaker 15: I've met in quite a few times, had dinner a

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Speaker 15: few times. There are actually reasonable thinking people who are

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Speaker 15: just saying, look, you know, we need to figure out

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Speaker 15: how to make this country work. And of course, you know,

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Speaker 15: Helmet has some different views to me in some sense,

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Speaker 15: but I just believe it has to come back to

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Speaker 15: equal rights for all New Zealanders and the treaty provides

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Speaker 15: for that. So I think It's going to be a

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Speaker 15: good discussion, and I think it'll be a model for

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Speaker 15: what can happen with us Treaty Principles Bill, because ultimately

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Speaker 15: there are people that want it to be all bad

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Speaker 15: and we can't have an opinion and we shouldn't be

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Speaker 15: able to say anything because we're not experts. But I

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Speaker 15: actually think that New Zealand needs to mature a little

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Speaker 15: bit to the point where ordinary people can have an

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Speaker 15: opinion about their country's constitutional future.

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Speaker 2: It'll be nice. Well go well Ton, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: David Seymore, the act leader with us. This morning twelve

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Speaker 2: and it is past seven, I get comment on the

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Speaker 2: PvdA conference yesterday. Please tell me you're joking. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: joking that it was so weird. If you missed it,

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Speaker 2: go back online and look it up. It was extraordinary morning.

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Speaker 2: MIKEE what brand of linen sheet? Good question, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Kate brought them correct, So can you please check with

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Speaker 2: her and let us know. Are they the French linen

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Speaker 2: from Foxtrot? Mike, We have recently changed from cotton to linen.

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Speaker 2: We just love them. Tell them. I'm here to tell you.

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Speaker 2: Once you go, never come back. Thirteen past the.

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Speaker 1: Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By

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Speaker 1: News talks, that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good point Linen Mike for winter, Crisp Cotton for summer,

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Speaker 2: sixteen minutes past seven, and so the debates unfurls now.

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Speaker 2: The ongoing carnage that is at least part of our

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Speaker 2: media landscape had another chapter added to it. Of course, yesterday,

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Speaker 2: once again at TV and said looking to cut costs,

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Speaker 2: retrench numbers, new consultation periods underway. They're looking to save

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Speaker 2: another thirty million dollars. Media commentator doctor Gavin Ellis witherus

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Speaker 2: good morning, good morning mate, without being too mean about it,

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Speaker 2: do you think to a degree anyway, they've missed the

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Speaker 2: boat on tech and transformation and they're now reaping what

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Speaker 2: they've sowd.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that's yet to fully play out, you know,

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Speaker 9: the streaming. The streaming strategy is one that both they

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Speaker 9: and TV three are still working on, although I have

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Speaker 9: to say that there are plenty of others in the

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Speaker 9: market ahead of them. So from a you know, in

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Speaker 9: one sense, yes, they are late to the game. Let's

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Speaker 9: say that, do you.

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Speaker 2: Know what they actually said yesterday? And do they have

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Speaker 2: a specific plan, because in the headlines I read it

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Speaker 2: seemed to be sort of will outsource a bit of this,

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Speaker 2: and we'll set up a team here and we'll have

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Speaker 2: a creative hub. What does any of that mean.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that they were being very, very cautious

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Speaker 9: because of the mess they got themselves into with negotiations

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Speaker 9: with staff last time. Remember, they got a bit of

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Speaker 9: a slap over the wrist. So they're hedging their bets

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Speaker 9: here and not saying too much until the negotiating processes

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Speaker 9: is out. But look, I think the one thing that

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Speaker 9: we do know for sure is that the one news

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Speaker 9: website is going to be scrapped. I don't think there's

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Speaker 9: any doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: No, indeed, not do we need week I thought websites

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Speaker 2: were you've got to have a website, and then suddenly

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Speaker 2: you don't have to have a website.

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Speaker 9: Well, it depends what they do with streaming, you know.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I regret the loss of any news outlet,

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Speaker 9: but you know, look, these people are in the same position.

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Speaker 9: TV broadcasters are in the same position now that newspapers

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Speaker 9: were in years ago, but with a compressed time frame.

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Speaker 9: The commercial realities are that they don't have the money

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Speaker 9: they used to have. So what they're doing is they're

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Speaker 9: reverting to their core skills, visual production, rather than the

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Speaker 9: written word. So I can understand that it's a risk, sure,

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Speaker 9: but you know, let's face it, One News is not

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Speaker 9: the top website.

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Speaker 2: No it is not, by long shot, No it is not.

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Speaker 2: My other concern is they seem to think streaming is

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Speaker 2: the answer, which of course it is, but they've also

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Speaker 2: got to have the heft and then wherewithal to be

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Speaker 2: a great streamer and compete with the big Do they

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Speaker 2: have that or not.

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Speaker 9: That's their real challenge because moving from a broadcast environment

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Speaker 9: into a you know, now they are the dominant player,

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Speaker 9: into a streaming environment where they clearly aren't. You know,

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Speaker 9: Netflix is dominant there. There are some huge risks there.

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Speaker 9: The other thing is that you know, they will face

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Speaker 9: pressure not to turn off terrestrial television because there'll be

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Speaker 9: people who you know, can't afford streaming or in areas

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Speaker 9: where it's difficult to get So they're going to be

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Speaker 9: in a position where they've got conflicting pressures on them

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Speaker 9: and they're not getting any more money. That's quite clear.

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Speaker 9: The government's not going to bail them out.

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Speaker 2: No, you and I have been around Gavin for about

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Speaker 2: three hundred and twelve.

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Speaker 9: Years, three hundred and fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen, I stand corrected. Have you ever seen a bigger mess?

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Speaker 2: Not just TV and Z but the mess the media

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Speaker 2: is in?

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Speaker 9: Probably not. I think that that things are getting to

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Speaker 9: a point where we might have what, you know what

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Speaker 9: a friend of mine calls a cathartic moment, you know

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Speaker 9: where where something really major happens and it resets the

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Speaker 9: whole of the of the landscape. Now that's a pretty

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Speaker 9: dystopic view, I know. But we're seeing a lot of

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Speaker 9: negative things happening and not a lot of positives that

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Speaker 9: are that are coming up to, you know, to to

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Speaker 9: counteract them. I mean, I think that ENZ and means

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Speaker 9: move with with one roof, for example, is a way

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Speaker 9: in which a company is diversifying to to try and

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Speaker 9: overcome the commercial realities of traditional media. But many don't

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Speaker 9: have quite the same options that that has had.

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Speaker 2: I was going to suggest we're a bit petty in

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Speaker 2: They're having a couple of debates over money at the moment.

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Speaker 2: One's involving a woman called Sue Gray who's quit, and

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Speaker 2: the other is over the role of Cabinet Secretary, which

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Speaker 2: is the country's top civil servant, a job which is

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Speaker 2: currently vacant given the incumbent step down for health reason.

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Speaker 2: Sue Gray, as it turns out, was earning more than

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, which, for reasons I'm not entirely sure about,

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Speaker 2: needed to be turned into a scrap. There are plenty

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Speaker 2: of civil servants here, of course, who earn more than

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Speaker 2: the Prime minister. We don't seem to have a problem

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Speaker 2: with that, but we don't like it. It appears that the

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Speaker 2: pms are a little bit wealthy. But I'll come back

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Speaker 2: to that. The Cabinet Secretary in Britain has paid a

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Speaker 2: couple of hundred thousand dollars a year, and a bloke

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Speaker 2: called Lord O'Donnell who used to do it, is busy

911
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Speaker 2: running a campaign arguing it's grossly underpaid. As for Miss Gray,

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Speaker 2: she was on one hundred and seventy thousand dollars a

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Speaker 2: year the prime minister's one hundred and sixty six. When

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Speaker 2: this was revealed, she became a distraction. Quit Ironically, she's

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Speaker 2: got a new job that no one seems to understand

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Speaker 2: what it means, which is one of the ironies of

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Speaker 2: this whole jealousy driven nonsense. Would you rather a person

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Speaker 2: in a high performance role get more in a job

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Speaker 2: that you understand, or they get less than a job

920
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Speaker 2: that you've got no idea just what it is they do.

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Speaker 2: But because it isn't more than the Prime minister, that

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Speaker 2: then looks okay. The fact that they may or may

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Speaker 2: not do anything is beside the point, which brings us

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Speaker 2: back to the current Prime minister here, who, because he

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Speaker 2: sold a couple of rentals, is clearly far too wealthy,

926
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Speaker 2: so we need a good bitch about that as well.

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Speaker 2: The fact that the National Party Prime minister before the

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Speaker 2: current one was a mile more wealthy again never really

929
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Speaker 2: seem to bother anybody. So maybe it's this post COVID

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Speaker 2: cost of living angst that's got so many people upset

931
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Speaker 2: at the moment. If you want something to exercise yourself with,

932
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Speaker 2: how about the prime minister who ran the country into

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Speaker 2: the ground, then scarpe it to write a book and

934
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Speaker 2: wander around the speaking circuit, creaming it by making money

935
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Speaker 2: from her in aptitude and subsequent economic misfortune. What's worse

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Speaker 2: a civil servant working god knows how many hours for

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Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars a year, a prime minister in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand on four hundred and eighty four thousand dollars

939
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Speaker 2: a year, but a couple of properties he made money on,

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Speaker 2: or or a fly by nighter who came second in

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Speaker 2: one election locked us down for the second. Buggeted up

942
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Speaker 2: in record fashion, fled to make a fortune telling people

943
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Speaker 2: how kind she is. See, some people in jobs are

944
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Speaker 2: worth the money, some aren't. But jealousy is a waste

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Speaker 2: of e motion asking Mike O Kate didn't choose Irish

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Speaker 2: linen suit. She's a sheet, She's a full It's expensive,

947
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Speaker 2: but so worth it. Thank you, Pete. Sam went out

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Speaker 2: the other day and brought some satine sheets from Briskets.

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Speaker 11: I don't think he did.

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Speaker 2: I think was his mum do.

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Speaker 5: It for him.

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Speaker 2: Mum bought it for him, some lovely satin le.

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Speaker 11: Some serteine sheets have turned up at his face and.

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Speaker 2: He's beautiful, lovely.

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Speaker 11: I see a great deal, great deal at Risco's.

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Speaker 2: Very very good deal, very good deal. But you always

957
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Speaker 2: get a good deal at Brisco's, and that's why they're

958
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Speaker 2: a successful business. Mike. The navy accident shouldn't have occurred

959
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: due to failed engines and the ship drifting on to

960
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Speaker 2: the reef. The half decent marinerd knows the first thing

961
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Speaker 2: to do is drop the anchor, which is not a

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Speaker 2: bad point, Mike. Great interview with a rear admiral. I'm

963
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: smelling cover up already. But Jonathan, then again, do you

964
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Speaker 2: always smell a cover up? Or are you just smelling

965
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Speaker 2: a cover up? Because a lot of people who smell

966
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Speaker 2: a cover up on anything these days. The aforementioned Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: We'll be with us in the studio in a couple

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Speaker 2: of moments after the news, which is Nick Nick Bryant,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Nick Bryant with his call on the

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Speaker 2: US election for you after eight he read newstalks edb.

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Speaker 1: Demanding the answers from the decision makers. The mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfast with the Jaguar f pace cut from a different class.

973
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Speaker 2: Newstalk's Eddy Times back on the program after eight o'clock

974
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Speaker 2: with US call the months ago to the US vote.

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Speaker 2: Of course, meantime it is Tuesday, the Prime Minister is

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Speaker 2: Willis bring good morning to you. Okay, Mike, howay, very well?

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Speaker 2: Inde Cole a couple of quick things. Nicole McKee. Is

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Speaker 2: she a liar?

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Speaker 16: No, No, she's she's doing a great job. She cares

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Speaker 16: about gun safety, and she's doing a good job reviewing

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Speaker 16: an arms Act that's over forty years old and needs

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Speaker 16: some better work.

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Speaker 2: The inference from TV one appears to be she was

984
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Speaker 2: hired by haul of Bennett to do a report. They

985
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Speaker 2: found a loophole. She claims that she raised it with Bennett.

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Speaker 2: It's not in the report she wrote. Bennett says it

987
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Speaker 2: was never raised. Therefore she said she raised something she didn't,

988
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Speaker 2: hence the inference.

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Speaker 16: She yees, yeah, Look, I mean the bottom line, she's

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Speaker 16: always advocated for restrictions on what's called high magazines, high

991
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Speaker 16: capacity magazines, and she still does to today as well.

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Speaker 16: But that report was about illegal firearms that Paula was

993
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Speaker 16: running at that time, and actually high capacity magazines was

994
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Speaker 16: actually out of scope of that report. You know, how

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Speaker 16: these reviews happened, and so there are lots of ways

996
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Speaker 16: that advice has passed through, but it didn't need to

997
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Speaker 16: be in the report for her to hold that position,

998
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Speaker 16: And so she still holds that position, which is high

999
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Speaker 16: capacity magazines need restrictions on them. But that report was

1000
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Speaker 16: about illegal firearms, not high capacity magazines.

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Speaker 2: Just for clarity's sake, ye, if she wasn't in chargeable,

1002
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Speaker 2: there just seemed to be tremendous numbers of people angsty

1003
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Speaker 2: about what she's trying to do or not trying to do.

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Speaker 2: If she wasn't in charge of this, would you still

1005
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Speaker 2: be doing the same thing legally speaking?

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean, or is this all act Tom mcla

1007
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Speaker 16: and I had talked about before the election at The

1008
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Speaker 16: Arms Act is actually forty years old, and it actually

1009
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Speaker 16: does need a bit of overhauling and reviewing because we've

1010
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Speaker 16: got to make sure that we've got good gun safety.

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Speaker 16: We would have also been looking at the review of

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Speaker 16: the register because we want to make sure that's actually

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Speaker 16: working efficiently. I want to make sure that it's actually

1014
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Speaker 16: getting good levels of compliance. There's a bunch of things

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Speaker 16: that we would do, So yeah, we would have done

1016
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Speaker 16: some of the same things, but this is you know,

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Speaker 16: we've got a program of work after forty years of

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Speaker 16: an Arms Act that actually does need to be re wrestiled.

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Speaker 2: The stoff that people we were doing it in like.

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Speaker 16: Four phases, and one of the basics was like, you know,

1021
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Speaker 16: I saw a report this week saying, look, you know

1022
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Speaker 16: there's a loophole now for gang members at gun rangers. Well,

1023
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Speaker 16: no disrespect, but a gang member is not going to

1024
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Speaker 16: a gun range where you learn gun safety.

1025
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Speaker 2: Through the politics of this workout. Do you believe in

1026
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: what you're doing, whether the cole the key's running it

1027
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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think it's entirely appropriate. We revisit the Arms

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Speaker 16: Act and do a good rewrite and make sure it's

1030
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Speaker 16: that for purpose and it's driving safety.

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Speaker 2: Is Casey Costello a distraction now?

1032
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Speaker 16: And as she trouble, Well, she's, I mean, honestly, in

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Speaker 16: my conversations with she is really fixated on lowering smoking rates, genuinely. So, yes,

1034
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Speaker 16: she's We've tried some things around heated tobacco products, she's

1035
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Speaker 16: put some better security around vapes and child proofing and

1036
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Speaker 16: all that good stuff. So look, I think you know

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Speaker 16: she's actually very focused on.

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Speaker 2: Well she may be focused, but do you believe that

1039
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Speaker 2: what she's doing by giving tax breaks effectively to a

1040
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: tobaccota is a smart move.

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Speaker 16: Well, yeah, yeah, because I mean we've got some of

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Speaker 16: the lowest smoking rates in the world. Right, We've gone

1043
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Speaker 16: from eight points six down to six point eight percent.

1044
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Speaker 16: We've got the Smoke Free twenty twenty five, which gets

1045
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Speaker 16: us to five percent daily smoking. We're on track to

1046
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Speaker 16: deliver that. In fact, the New Zealand legislation has worked

1047
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Speaker 16: incredibly well to give us lower smoking rates in the world,

1048
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Speaker 16: or some of them. She's now saying, look, let me

1049
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Speaker 16: let us try any alternative to get people off cigarettes.

1050
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Speaker 16: We've done obviously with vaping coming in. I think over

1051
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Speaker 16: that period has been and that four year period has

1052
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Speaker 16: been two hundred and thirty thousand people give up cigarette smoking.

1053
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Speaker 16: If heated tobacco products work and the sense of it

1054
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Speaker 16: gets people off cigarettes, that's a good thing. That tax

1055
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Speaker 16: loss of tax ex size excised tax, just so you clear,

1056
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Speaker 16: is actually us putting a count unting treatment aside saying look,

1057
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Speaker 16: depending upon how much people switch, depending upon whether these

1058
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Speaker 16: products are made available in the Zeland marketplace or not

1059
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Speaker 16: and are compliant with our childproof regulations, that will depend

1060
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Speaker 16: upon how many people move off smokes into the heat

1061
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Speaker 16: of tobacco products. And therefore, if it was a mass amount,

1062
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Speaker 16: we've got a big number put aside as we should do.

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Speaker 16: It's not the tex SISE revenue will go up from

1064
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Speaker 16: because there'll be people still smoking.

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Speaker 2: The reason I asked the question is that both of

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Speaker 2: these aren't your ministers. They are your ministers, but they're

1067
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Speaker 2: not from your party. Is it optically getting awkward?

1068
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Speaker 5: Look?

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Speaker 16: I mean, I appreciate these politics at play, and they

1070
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Speaker 16: want to know the other side we want to go

1071
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Speaker 16: after them. But I can tell you Nicole McKee is

1072
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Speaker 16: very focused on gun safe. I can tell you know

1073
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Speaker 16: Casey Costello is very focused on lowing smoking rates. And

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Speaker 16: I'm comfortable, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So by the time you then add this up, Casey Costello,

1076
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: who have been your target since you've been in government?

1077
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Speaker 2: Casey Costello, Penny Simmons, Nicole McKee, Karen Schuaw, all women

1078
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Speaker 2: all new Yeah, if you read a new thing into.

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Speaker 16: That, well, I just think that's the opposition tactic to

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Speaker 16: go after new ministers, and many of those are actually

1081
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Speaker 16: outside cabinet as well. And and Penny Simmons is probably

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Speaker 16: the other one that's been in the gun at times

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Speaker 16: as well. So you know that's why I'm saying, no, no.

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Speaker 2: You sacked her. Yeah no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 16: We've focused, We've refocused. No, you sacked her, you sacked

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Speaker 16: I've refocused them.

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Speaker 2: We can depeat that all day long.

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Speaker 16: But but what I have to say to you is

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Speaker 16: they are good ministers who are focused on what I'm

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Speaker 16: asking them to do, which is lower smoking rates, make

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Speaker 16: sure our gun laws are safe.

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Speaker 2: Makes you out, Casey Costello, Nicole McKee are safe in

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Speaker 2: their portfolios. They're doing a good job. They're backed by

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Speaker 2: the government. All on this, we're all on the same page. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: Dunedin Hospital the three billion dollar number, where is that?

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Speaker 16: Well, that's our latest assessment that it's approaching three billion.

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Speaker 2: Who it's basically the.

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Speaker 16: One point nine that we've put in. We put another

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Speaker 16: three hundred million in. It started at one point two,

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Speaker 16: went to one point six, gone to one point nine.

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Speaker 16: There's been a latest review where several hundred million dollars

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Speaker 16: over there's another four hundred million dollars of ancillary stuff

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Speaker 16: on it, and that gets you approaching three billion.

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Speaker 2: Who's done the review because it's not public. There's three

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Speaker 2: billion dollars, isn't public, No one can see find it,

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Speaker 2: and so the inferences you're making it up. No, we're

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Speaker 2: not making it up. This is just a labour special

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Speaker 2: that we've inherited.

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Speaker 16: Whether it's been Fairies, school project, school buildings, or now

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Speaker 16: to need an hospital. All of these things are ideas

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Speaker 16: that end up running without budget that actually backs them

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Speaker 16: up from behind. I tell you, at three billion dollars,

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Speaker 16: that would be the most expensive hospital building.

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Speaker 2: If it is do we haven't seen the three billion.

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Speaker 2: We've only got your word on it. If it isn't

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00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: three billion and it's say two point one or two

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Speaker 2: point two, that's a whole different scenario. And you've got

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Speaker 2: a really angry town, as you found out yesterday. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that's Look, I get the frustration.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I'm frustrated as a new government ten months

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Speaker 16: and having to clean this mess up and sort it out.

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Speaker 16: But we are said we'd make tough decisions. We said

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Speaker 16: that we'd get financial discipline in the joint and we've

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Speaker 16: taken the budget from one point six to one point nine.

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Speaker 16: We can build a very good hospital in Otago for

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Speaker 16: the people of the South for one point nine billion dollars,

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Speaker 16: but it will be one point nine billion dollars. And

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Speaker 16: that's why we've got the urgent review with Chris Bishop

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Speaker 16: and Shane Reti looking at do you stage the old

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Speaker 16: site or do you scale back.

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Speaker 2: The new site.

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Speaker 16: But we've got to get this thing back within the

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Speaker 16: one point nine billion we're up for. We'll do that

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Speaker 16: very quickly and then we've got to get it.

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Speaker 2: But if you're running it on one point nine and

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Speaker 2: what as opposed to what the region actually needs. What

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Speaker 2: if one point nine becomes basically a ten shed on

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Speaker 2: the court of the site blows out? Again? I just

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00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: look all around the world.

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Speaker 16: You can build some pretty amazing buildings for one point

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Speaker 16: nine billion dollars.

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00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't know.

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00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 16: But we need to and we need to get a

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00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 16: hell of a lot better at building infrastructure. And so

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Speaker 16: that's part of the thing that maybe there's some different

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Speaker 16: ways of doing this. We've said we're open to public

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Speaker 16: private partnerships. There's all sorts of ways that we could

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Speaker 16: deliver it.

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Speaker 2: We are delivering. Get the Chinese and you remember when

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00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: COVID came along and they built those hospitals. Yeah, and

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00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: they've built them in a week and everyone said they're

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00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: fall down. They didn't fall down. Why you get the Chinese, Well,

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Speaker 2: we will look.

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Speaker 16: At all options. I won't be the Chinese, but we

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Speaker 16: will look at all options. The Chinese, Well, we'll look

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00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 16: at all options to make sure we can build a

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Speaker 16: kick as if a hospital down in another south.

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Speaker 2: What's the wrong with the Chinese. No, there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with the Chinese.

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Speaker 16: But I'm just saying we're up for anything to look

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Speaker 16: at getting this infrastructure built because we do a problem

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Speaker 16: like I mean, you would have seen it with the

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Speaker 16: school property buildings, right. I'm sure that report came back saying, man,

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00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 16: we've got massive mission creep. We've got all these architectural buildings,

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00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 16: everything's bespoke, huge costs. Four hundred and fifty schools from memory,

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Speaker 16: you know, a couple almost two billion dollars, not.

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Speaker 2: Literally, that's what we do a standardized way. Because I

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Speaker 2: was watching Bishop and Erica stand there in front of

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Speaker 2: these new buildings. I understand what they're buildings. So they're

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Speaker 2: building prefare buildings. I get that. But what I don't get,

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Speaker 2: because they haven't seen the three billion dollars, is whether

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Speaker 2: the three billions real or you're just making it up

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Speaker 2: for excuse yet no in not getting the hospital they deserve,

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Speaker 2: and we're promise no, no, did anyone.

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Speaker 16: Get the hospital? They'll get a great hospital for one

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Speaker 16: point nine billion dollars. Okay, that's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 2: Because you need another hundred million plus for the ship

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Speaker 2: that's sunk. So are you going to replace it?

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Speaker 16: Well, it'll be dependent upon our defense capability plan that

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Speaker 16: we've got going on.

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Speaker 2: So what I've asked.

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Speaker 16: We've got new leaders of the military on all the

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Speaker 16: three forces. We've actually got a new Minister with Judith Collins,

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Speaker 16: and a new Secretory of Defense. I've asked that new

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Speaker 16: leadership group to write us a strategy for the next

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Speaker 16: ten to twenty years because I actually want to know

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Speaker 16: that where we're going to add value to our relationships

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Speaker 16: and our partnerships, you know, particularly Australia. So we've got

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Speaker 16: to choose, as a small country, what we're going to

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Speaker 16: be really brilliant and well class at and capability we're

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Speaker 16: going to bring to our alliance partners and choose actually

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Speaker 16: what we're not going to do. And so I want

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Speaker 16: that strategy and that leadership team to come together. That

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Speaker 16: plan will come together probably end of year early next year,

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Speaker 16: and obviously now with an anticipated loss of this this ship,

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Speaker 16: we need to put that into the considerations.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe what's going on in this country at times?

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Speaker 16: We've got a lot of things to sort out, my friend. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: there are moments where you pick up every rock and

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Speaker 16: you go jeeves. Okay, the healthcare is Thistin has got

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Speaker 16: some challenges education, but we can fix it.

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Speaker 2: Might speaking of healthcare, the deficits blown out nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and something million dollars has lest the leady. Actually I'm

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Speaker 2: not criticizing, I'm just asking has he actually done anything yet,

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Speaker 2: because he's the fear When you got appointed, it was

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Speaker 2: a million dollars.

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Speaker 16: And they started in July one, and those reports that

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Speaker 16: that fit seut of finances to June thirty.

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Speaker 2: I saw Labor have a go at.

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Speaker 16: Us trying to sort of distract from having botched the

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Speaker 16: system up by saying, oh, I know, we've faked the numbers.

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Speaker 2: We haven't faked the numbers.

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Speaker 16: The reality is, even if you put the pay equity

1214
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Speaker 16: money on that side of the financial year, you still

1215
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Speaker 16: have six hundred million dollar sort of deficit. So now

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Speaker 16: he's doing a great job and he's trying to you know,

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Speaker 16: he's got a lot to sort through. You know, you've

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Speaker 16: got to make sure they've got financial capability. And we

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Speaker 16: understand when we're putting seventeen billion dollars more in and

1220
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Speaker 16: we're putting two billion into farmacts, six hundred million more

1221
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Speaker 16: into those cancer drugs, we're putting a lot of money

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Speaker 16: in and I need to know that good money is

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Speaker 16: going into a good organization, not a bad one.

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Speaker 2: And so he's sorting it out. I asked Chris Boshop

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Speaker 2: this yesterday. But you're sitting in the studio this morning

1226
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Speaker 2: because once again parliament's not sitting in this country. And

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Speaker 2: one of the things you need to do when you

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00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: open parliament has passed the fast Track law. Yes, so

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Speaker 2: we can get on and build some stuff. Yes, why

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Speaker 2: aren't you opening parliament and passing the fast track law.

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Speaker 16: Well, we will have that as law before the end

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Speaker 16: of the year. With the aill and gas ban overturned

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Speaker 16: by the end of the year. We've got a big

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Speaker 16: program between now and Christmas. So Chris's Leader of the House,

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Speaker 16: he's got to work that schedule up with the other

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Speaker 16: political parties in the Parliament and the Speaker. But you know,

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Speaker 16: we've got a lot of wit to do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just quickly from Dinegan yesterday. The other heat you

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Speaker 2: got was this business of an alleged buyout or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So Mitchell says, the blueprints coming is a buyout of

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Speaker 2: any description in difficult parts of the country. Your problem

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Speaker 2: or a council's problem.

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Speaker 16: Well, actually it's a number of players challenges, and that's

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Speaker 16: why we want a proper a thought. You know, we

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Speaker 16: want to need a proper sort of framework and approach

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Speaker 16: to it over many years, because it's going to be

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Speaker 16: over decades. But actually the property owner has a piece

1248
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Speaker 16: of this and some resk to share, banks, insurance companies,

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Speaker 16: local government, regional councils and central government. And it's going

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Speaker 16: to be our generation but also to be the generation

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Speaker 16: in thirty years time.

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Speaker 2: But does anyone addressing this, because I mean South the

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Speaker 2: Needin has been flooding forever. We all know it's a

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Speaker 2: basin and so when it's a basin yet again, and

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Speaker 2: they go, what do you do now?

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Speaker 16: But I just say, actually, what was good having gone

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Speaker 16: down there yesterday and seen actually what they did is

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Speaker 16: like the pump station guy. So I actually went and

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Speaker 16: met with them that do wastewater and stormwater pumping. Incredible job,

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Speaker 16: like they were moving six thousand liters a second of

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Speaker 16: stormwater out of that system. They kept South toned and

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Speaker 16: in great shape and are through that. And so the

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Speaker 16: eleven red sticker buildings that are down there actually more

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Speaker 16: to to a slip risk at the moment. So we

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Speaker 16: just need to ascertain whether that's red stick at as

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Speaker 16: we would talk about here in Auckland or on Hawk's

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Speaker 16: Bay or not.

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Speaker 2: And we'll work that through with the council. Good to see.

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Speaker 2: Good See Christopher Luxem twelve away from eight.

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Speaker 1: The Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: It'd be Mike Parliament not sitting because at school holidays

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Speaker 2: it's been that way for years. You know, well it's

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Speaker 2: been that way for years. Doesn't make it right though,

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Speaker 2: for goodness sake, Ree Mitchell yesterday and of course Luxan,

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Speaker 2: who were in Donedan yet again see the South Duneda.

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Speaker 2: I mean, anyone who knows anything about Dneda, knows about

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Speaker 2: South the need, knows about the risk, knows about the

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Speaker 2: whole ongoing year's long discussion about sort of shifting out

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Speaker 2: of the area and what they're going to do and

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Speaker 2: buying people out anyway, there's a blueprint coming and what

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Speaker 2: I was trying to work out is that the Dunedin

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Speaker 2: City Council's issue, is it the Otaga Regional Council's issue,

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Speaker 2: is that the government's issue? Is it your issue? If

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Speaker 2: you live in South the need and you've got insurance

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Speaker 2: troubles and you know you flood, you know, And this

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Speaker 2: is what I've been trying to raise on the program

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Speaker 2: for the last couple of years. You're going to get

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Speaker 2: like America where you can't afford insurance, or you don't

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Speaker 2: want insurance, or you're going to have large events in

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Speaker 2: which people who didn't have insurance are going to have

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Speaker 2: all sorts of problems. And as always, it always comes

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Speaker 2: back to the government. Now, speaking of property generally, are

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Speaker 2: the numbers out this morning? House prices? I'll give you

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Speaker 2: a little little hint of light here. National average asking

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Speaker 2: price for property in September is up zero point six percent,

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Speaker 2: first time since March that prices have seen month on

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Speaker 2: month increases. So we're on the move here. West Coast

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Speaker 2: is up over three percent, Northland up over two by

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Speaker 2: a plenty, up over one point nine. Four regions going

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Speaker 2: down unfortunately, Nelson down a bit, Taranaki down a couple,

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Speaker 2: gives been down one, Southland down two, but the rest

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Speaker 2: the rest of the country on the up and up

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Speaker 2: seven away from eight.

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Speaker 1: Costing Breakfast with Bailey's real estate news dogs the FV.

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Speaker 2: While we're on the economy in general. West Pax regional

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Speaker 2: report this morning they do a chili or hot thing.

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Speaker 2: It's reasonably chilly household and businesses every region reporting ongoing challenges,

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Speaker 2: but some of the frosty conditions are showing early signs

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Speaker 2: of thawing. This is good. Very few firms told them

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Speaker 2: they were looking to take on new staff. Many have

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Speaker 2: been reducing the size of their workforce. Number of businesses,

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Speaker 2: though noted that demand has been flat or mixed in

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Speaker 2: recent months. That's an improvement. Got some bright spots in

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Speaker 2: the economy. Continued to trend higher in international visitor numbers,

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Speaker 2: firming outlook for some of our key agricultural exports. That

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Speaker 2: part's encouraging. Feedback on cost pressure is also less worrying

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Speaker 2: than it has been for some time.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 2: Most notable change, they say since their last survey, is

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Speaker 2: the sense the worst is finally behind us, So I think,

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Speaker 2: at last we're on the right track. North Island a

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Speaker 2: bit more downbeat than the South Island, but slowly but

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Speaker 2: surely things are coming right. News Next.

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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and views, the my Hosking Breakfast,

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Speaker 1: Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial, and

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Speaker 1: rural news dogs'd be.

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Speaker 2: Time hit, a seven class ape a month ago, a

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Speaker 2: couple of assassination attempts, any number of ongoing court cases,

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Speaker 2: several debates went involving a candidate no longer in the race,

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Speaker 2: and polls that are so tight you can't separate Harris

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Speaker 2: from Trump. So let's get a feel for where we

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Speaker 2: think we might be at with our favorite America. Watching

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Speaker 2: Nick Bryan, who's back with us next morning, to you.

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Speaker 5: They might were at the point where the rubber meets

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Speaker 5: the road.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Since we last talked, what are your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on Harris as a candidate?

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Speaker 17: Well, I think she's a lot better candidate than we

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Speaker 17: thought she was going to be. I mean, it was

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Speaker 17: all this Carmela mania stuff that came as a real surprise.

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Speaker 17: I mean, Mike, a lot of people when Joe Biden

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Speaker 17: really sort of destroyed himself in that first televised debate

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Speaker 17: with Donald Trump. Really thought that Karmla wasn't ready for

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Speaker 17: prime time. They were thinking of people like the California

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Speaker 17: governor Gavin Usam. They were thinking of people like the

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Speaker 17: Michigan governor Gretchen Whittner, a woman who's proven that she

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Speaker 17: can do well in the Rost Belt. Obviously as vice

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Speaker 17: president as the supposed next in line. Karmala Harris was

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Speaker 17: on that list, but a lot of people didn't want

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Speaker 17: her to end up the nominee, including I think people

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Speaker 17: like Barack Obama who were mooting the possibility of some

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Speaker 17: sort of nominating process that was shorthand for saying let's

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Speaker 17: not go with Kamala.

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Speaker 5: I think they were worried about.

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Speaker 17: Two really big negatives in their mind. At least one

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Speaker 17: was her gender and one was her race. I mean,

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Speaker 17: I think there are a lot of people who were

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Speaker 17: worried that a black woman could not win those crucial

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Speaker 17: states in the Roust Belt. But Mike, I mean, she

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Speaker 17: really surprised people. I mean, then it started off with

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Speaker 17: the speed at which she got the nomination. I think

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Speaker 17: that showed that she was a politician to be reckoned

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Speaker 17: with I think people started looking at her anew They

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Speaker 17: thought it was crazy that she'd been hidden away really

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Speaker 17: for the first two years of the Biden presidency. And

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Speaker 17: I think on the very night Mike, there was a

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Speaker 17: turning point. She did an you with Alison Cooper on

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Speaker 17: CNN very shortly after, but Biden's disastrous pull of debate performance,

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Speaker 17: she came across very well. She admitted what we'd all

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Speaker 17: seen that it wasn't a very good performance. She was commanding.

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Speaker 17: She's sat in front of American flag, she looked presidential,

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Speaker 17: she sounded presidential. I think in a lot of verde

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Speaker 17: As minds, that was when the turnaround began. I think

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Speaker 17: she is strong, but I do think she still has weaknesses,

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Speaker 17: particularly on the economy and particularly on immigration.

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Speaker 2: All Right, a couple of things out of that as

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Speaker 2: separating herself out from the Biden record. And Trump is

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Speaker 2: making much of this at the moment. If you want

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Speaker 2: to do all of this, how come you haven't done

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Speaker 2: it in the last three and a half years. It's

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Speaker 2: not an unfair attack, is it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: I think she beat him in a televised debate, but

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Speaker 17: I think his strongest response and his strongest statement was

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Speaker 17: right at the end where he said, You've been speaking

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Speaker 17: about all these things you want to do, but you've

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Speaker 17: had four years to do them, so why haven't you

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Speaker 17: done them? I think that is a statement that really resonates.

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Speaker 17: She's trying to come across as a change candidate. Obviously,

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Speaker 17: in an election where people do want change, Trump has

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Speaker 17: a harder thing to persuade people on because he was

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Speaker 17: the president four years ago. I think one of the

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Speaker 17: problems that Krmala Harris has it's the same problem in

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Speaker 17: some ways that Al Gore had in two thousand. He

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Speaker 17: tried to distance himself with Bill Clinton, and in doing so,

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Speaker 17: he distanced himself stuff that was good a parat the

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Speaker 17: Clinton presidency. He was so keen to distance himself from

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Speaker 17: the sort of scandal and the Monica Lewitzki side of

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Speaker 17: the Clinton presidency that he didn't embrace the good, which

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Speaker 17: was a really strong economy. And I think to a

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Speaker 17: certain extent, Karmala Harris says the same problem. She's trying

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Speaker 17: to distance herself from Biden. She's trying to say I'm

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Speaker 17: the change candidate, and that makes perfect sense, but there

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Speaker 17: are some stuff that's happening in the Biden administration, which

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Speaker 17: is good. And I think, you know, you've got to

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Speaker 17: kind of trust the American lecture on stuff like this.

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Speaker 17: They can differentiate what's good and what's bad. I mean,

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Speaker 17: the economy is coming out of a slump. You know,

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Speaker 17: the job numbers last week with very good inflations coming down.

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Speaker 17: I realized the felt economy for a lot of voters

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Speaker 17: doesn't feel the same. There's a lot of nostalgia for

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Speaker 17: the Trump economy, lower interest rates, lower gas prices. But

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Speaker 17: I think it's a tricky one to sort of say,

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Speaker 17: you know, there are some good things that have happened

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Speaker 17: during the Biden presidency, and there are things I need

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Speaker 17: to distance myself from. And that leads to some of

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Speaker 17: the mixed messaging and on questions like the economy, Mike,

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Speaker 17: I mean this, this strikes me as just amazing. She

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Speaker 17: still hasn't got a brilliant, really well home response. So

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Speaker 17: that simple question, what do you do to solve the

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Speaker 17: cost of living crisis?

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Speaker 5: What do you do on the economy?

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Speaker 17: She does serve up these word salads on that basic

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Speaker 17: question when she'd have thought she'd have figured out.

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Speaker 2: By it exactly. So I'm going to come to a

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Speaker 2: thing called the Breakthrough, which is a polling project that

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Speaker 2: tracks how public perceive and what they hear on this.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things they are saying about her

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Speaker 2: is she doesn't actually say anything. She just gibbles is

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Speaker 2: that true or fear or not.

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Speaker 5: It's a real problem for her.

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Speaker 17: I think during that debate performance, right she was in

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Speaker 17: excellent form. I thought that the messaging was was pretty sharp.

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Speaker 17: The one problem I thought she had was in the

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Speaker 17: first question, which was the economy. And the problem for

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Speaker 17: Kamala Harris, of course, is the economy is the paramount

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Speaker 17: issue for most focus It's more important than what happened

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Speaker 17: on January the sixth, It's more more important than what's

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Speaker 17: happening in the Middle East right now.

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Speaker 5: It is more important than abortion. It is the single

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Speaker 5: most important issue.

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Speaker 17: And I think on that she hasn't got a particularly

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Speaker 17: good answer. They pursued a media strategy up until this week, really,

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Speaker 17: which is to not do much media, and I think

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Speaker 17: that's been a real problem because she just doesn't sad

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Speaker 17: match for it.

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Speaker 5: You know what It's like, man, the more you do it,

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Speaker 5: the more fluid you get.

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Speaker 17: You get into kind of responses that are familiar you've

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Speaker 17: used them before, You've used formulations that work, and the

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Speaker 17: problem with the media strategy she hasn't had the chance

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Speaker 17: to do that. I thought she was very good when

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Speaker 17: she came out of the gate. She went straight to Wisconsin,

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Speaker 17: which is one of the key states. She gave that

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Speaker 17: great line. You know, I'm a prosecutor. I've dealt with cheats,

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Speaker 17: I've dealt with felons. I'm used to Donald Trump's type.

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Speaker 17: That was very good messaging and it really cut through

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Speaker 17: a straight away. But I think the message on the

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Speaker 17: economy has been really, really poor, and her messaging on immigration,

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Speaker 17: which is another key is she hasn't been great either.

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Speaker 17: And I think you know, if you looking for the

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Speaker 17: weaknesses in the in the Biden camp, I.

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Speaker 5: Think that's that's a really huge weakness.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the other side in a

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Speaker 2: couple of months. Stow with us Nicknickbrian out of Australia

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Speaker 2: this morning. More on Trump in a moment thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iheard radio

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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be news Talks. It'll be sixteen past eight. One

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Speaker 2: month ago. In the US race, Errol made mcbriand is

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Speaker 2: with us this morning. So Trump Nick last time, the

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Speaker 2: argument was he's got the vote that he's got. They

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Speaker 2: love them, they're electioned on, they're rusted on. He's not

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Speaker 2: growing it. Is that still true?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean he does have this ceiling, doesn't hear?

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Speaker 17: Forty seven percent, it seems, and that may be enough

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Speaker 17: to win the president's seaman. Let's face it, they've got

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Speaker 17: an electoral college advantage. I mean, Trump won't win the

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Speaker 17: nationwide vote i'd have thought, but he could win the

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Speaker 17: presidency as he did in twenty sixteen, by winning the

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Speaker 17: key states that you need to win, and in that

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Speaker 17: in that election, of course, it was the Ross Belt.

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Speaker 17: I don't think Donald Trump's as strong candidate as he

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Speaker 17: was in twenty sixteen. We were talking about the problems

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Speaker 17: with Carmla Harris's messaging. I think Trump has too. I mean,

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Speaker 17: he's just not as articular, he's not as sharp, he's

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Speaker 17: not as match fit as he was in twenty sixteen. Crucially,

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Speaker 17: he's not doing so many rallies. He's sowing a really

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Speaker 17: small number.

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Speaker 5: Compared to what he did in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 17: I think sometimes presidential election is are a little bit

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Speaker 17: like sport, Mike, the person who shows they are.

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Speaker 5: Desperate to win it and king to win it often

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Speaker 5: wins it.

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Speaker 17: And I just don't get that same hunger for victory

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Speaker 17: in twenty twenty four that Trump had in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 17: And that's reflected in the number of rallies that he's doing.

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Speaker 5: And he's an older man.

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Speaker 17: I mean, he's seventy eight years old now, and obviously

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Speaker 17: the age issue in this election has been completely upended.

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Speaker 17: It was a thing that obviously force Biden from the race,

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Speaker 17: but now it's a problem for Donald Trump as well.

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Speaker 17: He just doesn't seem to be quite as strong a

1506
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 17: candidate as he was in twenty sixteen, and he does

1507
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 17: have this problem about growing the base. And I mean, Mike,

1508
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 17: it's such a close race now, isn't it. I Mean,

1509
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 17: it's just all down to these seven states. And I mean,

1510
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 17: of those seven, I keep on looking at those restpot

1511
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 17: states and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. The race is just

1512
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 17: so tight there. It does look like Carmena Harris is

1513
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 17: a slight advantage at the moment, but we're talking about

1514
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,479
Speaker 17: shifts of just a few thousand votes. We're talking about

1515
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 17: who can get their vote out. You know, one of

1516
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 17: the things that Trump always thinks is that there are

1517
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 17: people out there who don't ordinarily vote, many of them

1518
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 17: young men, who they hope can get to the polls,

1519
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 17: And anything that happens in the next few weeks, anything

1520
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 17: that just shifts a few votes in a few different places,

1521
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 17: could have the impact to actually decide this race.

1522
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 2: The old October surprise walls the Vance. Have they made

1523
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: a material difference or not.

1524
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 5: I thought it was a really interesting debate.

1525
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 17: I think we found out that Tim Wills perhaps isn't

1526
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 17: the kind of huge bonus to the Democratic ticket that

1527
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 17: we thought he was initially. That was surprised how in

1528
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 17: particular he was who's sort of seen a bit gaff prone,

1529
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 17: didn't he when he said he's sort of befriended mass shooters,

1530
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 17: that kind of weird thing.

1531
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 5: He wasn't sort of.

1532
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 17: He emerged as this sort of great communicated didn't he

1533
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 17: the kind of America's dad, that high school football coach,

1534
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 17: the Friday night lights thing.

1535
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 5: And of course, you know, Jady Vance.

1536
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 17: Was sort of characterized as this kind of oversized frat boy,

1537
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 17: you know, somebody who's really nasty or the childless cat Laders.

1538
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 17: I mean, he came out just trying to show there's

1539
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 17: no more mister nasty guy, didn't he He's had this

1540
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 17: nice guy persona. But that final question, I mean, I

1541
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 17: think for ninety minutes in the debate he was totally

1542
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 17: on top. But it was that final question about Jeremy

1543
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 17: the sixth, wasn't it, And that final refusal to accept

1544
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 17: that button had actually won in twenty twenty, that is

1545
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 17: the clip that has sort of survived the debate and

1546
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 17: had the big after life after the debate. So I think,

1547
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 17: you know, as I say, anything that shifts the doll

1548
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 17: in this election. Normally vice presidential debates don't matter at all,

1549
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 17: but I think that one could because I think a

1550
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 17: lot of women, especially are really not that keen on

1551
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 17: Jady Vance and often Mike. It just comes down to

1552
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 17: wavering women. A lot of them live in these suburbs

1553
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 17: of the rost belt states like Philadelphia, like Milwaukee. You

1554
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 17: know a lot of them just don't like Jady Vance.

1555
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 17: And that could be especially his answers on abortion, which

1556
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 17: is another issue which is going to drive.

1557
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 5: A lot of vote for Kamla Harris.

1558
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: So I take it from your comment to riderpiece yesterday

1559
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: suggested it's not unlikely, it's not impossible that you could

1560
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: get a result on the night college vote of two

1561
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: seventy to two sixty eight. It's that tight. Do you

1562
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: see that?

1563
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1564
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 17: And this is really crucial because that would involve a

1565
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,480
Speaker 17: state that we don't often talk about, which is Nebraska.

1566
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 5: Forty eight out of.

1567
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 17: The fifty states might a lot there electoral votes on

1568
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 17: the basis of winner Texall, if.

1569
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 5: You win just one vote more than your.

1570
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 17: Rival in Pennsylvania, you get all of Pennsylvania's nineteen electoral

1571
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 17: college votes. There are two states that don't do that,

1572
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 17: Nebraska and Maine. Now, there is one congressional district in

1573
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 17: May in Nebraska, Omaha the second congressional district which went

1574
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 17: Democrat in twenty and twenty. And what the Republicans has

1575
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 17: been trying to do is change the rule so that

1576
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 17: Nebraska becomes a Winner's Texas state. It's a reliabie red

1577
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 17: state that would deliver all of its electoral college votes

1578
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 17: to Donald Trump. But there was an attempt last month

1579
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 17: to change the rules, and one Republican decided the rules

1580
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 17: should stay the same. And we talk about the blue dot.

1581
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 17: This this one electoral college vote in Nebraska that is

1582
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 17: based on a congressional district, and it looks like Kamala

1583
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 17: Harrison will win Omaha, which is that congressional district, and

1584
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 17: that could tilt her from two sixty nine to two seventy.

1585
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 5: Two seventy is a magic number you need to win.

1586
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 17: So we look at these seven states, but let's not

1587
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 17: forget Nebraska as well, because if she won those three

1588
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 17: Ross Belt states, right Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, that gets

1589
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 17: her to two sixty nine. The thing that gets her

1590
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 17: over the top is that one blue dot in Nebraska.

1591
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 5: Everything matters, Mike, in this final stage, does not.

1592
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: Just And I asked you last time we interviewed. I said,

1593
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: last question, call it and you wouldn't. You couldn't any change.

1594
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 5: No, not at all.

1595
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 17: And I think anybody who tells you with any certainty

1596
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 17: who's going to win in this stage isn't worth listening to.

1597
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 5: You know, we could have more October surprise.

1598
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 17: Frankly, I think the October surprise in the twenty twenty

1599
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 17: four election came in twenty twenty three with the Hammers

1600
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 17: attack on Israel. I think the ramifications of that are

1601
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 17: still working through I think Benjamin Att Yahoo could end

1602
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 17: up having quite an impact on this election, depending what

1603
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 17: happens in Iran. And it's not only the turmoil in

1604
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 17: the Middle East politically, it's the impact economically.

1605
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 5: You know, there's a spiking gas prices before the election.

1606
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 17: Again, that nostalgic feeling about the Trump economy comes into

1607
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 17: play again. You know, there are so many things that

1608
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 17: could impact this race between.

1609
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 5: Now and then.

1610
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 17: As I said, I've been saying this all year, Mike,

1611
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 17: it's just a few thousand votes in a few states

1612
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 17: that'll decide this election. Who can get out their vote.

1613
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 17: It's a squeaker. It's gonna be a photo finish.

1614
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 2: Gonna have to get you on again talk So Mike,

1615
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: appreciate it as all Waynick Brian out of Australia in

1616
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: the early hours and Australian Morning is Lad's book as

1617
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: The Forever War. If you haven't read that, well Worth

1618
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 2: at eight twenty two the.

1619
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: Mic asking breakfast with l Vida Retirement Community News togs,

1620
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: he'd be.

1621
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: A twenty five speaking of the more as we were

1622
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: a mama ago. These are the numbers I promised you

1623
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: earlier on the camict yesterday from the Anti Defamation League

1624
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 2: centerper extremesm ADL in America more than ten thousand incidents

1625
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: in this year, so, which is a two hundred percent increase.

1626
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: It's the highest ever level of anti Semitic activity they've

1627
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: seen since nineteen seventy nine, which is when they started

1628
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 2: recording things. Eighty fifteen incidents of verbal or written harassment,

1629
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred and forty incidents of vandalism, one hundred and

1630
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: fifty incidents of physical assault. Not that I defend any

1631
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: this in any way, shape or form, but when you

1632
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: think of the size of America, and you think of

1633
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: three hundred plus million Americans, one hundred and fifty incidents

1634
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: of physical assault, isn't actually that many. California twelve hundred

1635
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: and sixty six, New York twelve hundred and eighteen, New

1636
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: Jersey eight hundred and thirty, Florida four hundred and sixty three,

1637
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 2: as farmers Air, as far as anti Muslim incidents are concerned,

1638
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 2: eight thousand and sixty one. So there is more anti

1639
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: Semitism than there is Islamophobia. And I referenced with Nick

1640
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: a couple of moments ago this thing called the Breakthrough,

1641
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: which is a polling project that tracks how the public

1642
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: is following the election news, and there's a new trend developing.

1643
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 2: The word liar is used increasingly often with both of them.

1644
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: Obviously Trump you wouldn't be surprised about, but Harris is

1645
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 2: increasingly seen as a liar. But the other trend I

1646
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: will tell you about in a couple of moments, which

1647
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 2: is equally fascinating, and it doesn't bode well for her.

1648
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: We need to go to the UK. Sue Grave's the

1649
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: talking point, the big one hundred day reset for the

1650
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: Labor Party that has found themselves in no end of trouble.

1651
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: Will get the detail from darfter the news, which is next.

1652
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: You're a newstalg zed B.

1653
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The

1654
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: Mic Hosking Breakfast with Alveda, Retirement, Communities, Life your Way,

1655
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: News togs EDB.

1656
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: Now, if you haven't heard the news already this morning,

1657
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: it's very good news. Graham Norton is going to be

1658
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: touring the country for the very first time, and Evening

1659
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: with Graham Norton is what he's decided to call it,

1660
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: which is wise because it's sort of as what he does.

1661
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 2: It'll be in the Evening with Graham Norton. So we're

1662
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: talking March next year into April in fact, and so

1663
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 2: interestingly that'll be good for Christmas. You can do something

1664
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: about Christmas gift. So christ it's the twenty fifth of March, Wellington,

1665
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: twenty ninth of March and Auckland the first of April.

1666
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: Tickets are going on sale this coming Friday. So if

1667
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: you want to follow us on the old Facebook or

1668
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: the Insta later on today, we've got tickets to be one,

1669
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: so you might want to avail yourself of that opportunity.

1670
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes away from.

1671
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: Nine International Correspondence with ends an eye insurance, peace of

1672
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

1673
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 2: Well we'll go to Rik and our older in Rod

1674
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 2: Little's Withers Roderick. Good morning to you.

1675
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 13: Good morning to you mate, Nice to hear you back.

1676
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: Nice to be back. Now do explain this to me,

1677
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: Sue Gray Earns one hundred and seventy thousand pounds and

1678
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: Key Starmer Earns one hundred and sixty six. Now in

1679
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: this country we have the same scenario. There are plenty

1680
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: of public servants who earn more than politicians. We don't

1681
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: seem to make that bigger deal about it. Why is

1682
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: it a big deal for you guys?

1683
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 13: It never used to be a big deal. I mean,

1684
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 13: it's been this kind of corrosive thing over the last

1685
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 13: twenty to thirty years that anybody who earns more than

1686
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 13: the Prime minister is earning too much. That's a matter

1687
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 13: of fact. That's true if you're on the left and

1688
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 13: you're looking at kind of the bosses of corporations, and

1689
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 13: it's true if you're on the right and you're looking

1690
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 13: at council chiefs, because the majority of council chiefs across

1691
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 13: the country will earn more than the Prime minister does.

1692
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 13: And Sue Gray, as you know, a senior civil servant,

1693
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 13: earned more than the Prime minister. It just happens to

1694
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 13: be the case that, you know, in the case of

1695
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 13: Sue Gray, she was overpaid by roughly amount of the

1696
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 13: amount of money which she received in most people's opinions,

1697
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 13: but it's always been the case made and it's stupid,

1698
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 13: you know, I mean, because it's one of the things

1699
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 13: we should talk about and perhaps are barred from doing so,

1700
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 13: and no politician will raise it. It's that both our

1701
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 13: MPs and indeed our Prime minister don't get enough money No,

1702
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 13: it really is as simple as that exactly.

1703
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 2: See, our prime minister gets four hundred and eighty one

1704
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, which in your money is two forty so

1705
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: way more, yeah, than the Prime Minister of Great Britain.

1706
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: Mind you, our prime minister doesn't accept glasses and free suits,

1707
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: so it's sort of all balances up, doesn't it.

1708
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 13: Well, I suppose you might say that, But then by

1709
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 13: the same tone of your prime minister is also the

1710
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 13: prime minister of a small hermit state tucked away at

1711
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 13: the end near the it is. It seems to me

1712
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 13: an absurdity that the prime Minister of this country doesn't

1713
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 13: get somewhere in the original three to four hundred thousand pounds,

1714
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,520
Speaker 13: you know, it seems to be an absurdity.

1715
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: So Gray's new job as the Overseer of Nations or

1716
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: whatever the hell they call it? What what is there?

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Speaker 13: It isn't anything. She doesn't have a job. She's been

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Speaker 13: shuffled off, and I one could see her being shuffled

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Speaker 13: off a year ago when she was first appointed. She's obviously,

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Speaker 13: of course, a lot of dissension, or been the occasion

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Speaker 13: of a lot of dissension within Downing Street and within

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Speaker 13: the people who who who have been working for Kierstar's campaign.

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Speaker 13: She's very simple minded, she's dogmatic. I think the phrase

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Speaker 13: which is usually used is doesn't suffer fools gladly, which

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Speaker 13: means she's a rude cow. I think it's the way

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Speaker 13: one has to translate these civil service epists. But it's

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Speaker 13: also true that much as with Alistair Campbell, she had

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Speaker 13: to become the story. And it's not just that, because

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Speaker 13: this is quite a remarkable decision. If you look at

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Speaker 13: Kierstar over the last six to eight months, whether since

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Speaker 13: becoming Prime Minister or even before then, he hasn't sacked people.

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Speaker 13: There have been calls for him to sack people and

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Speaker 13: he's never done it. But clearly the howl round within

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Speaker 13: his own camp rather than in the press at large,

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Speaker 13: had become so grave that he could do nothing other

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Speaker 13: than that. And so we have a new chief of

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Speaker 13: staff now, who is Morgan McSweeney or boating mcboat faces.

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Speaker 13: He's almost certainly going to become known. And who's an

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Speaker 13: Irish guy who's been working with Starma for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I'm watching Lord O'Donnell, who was the former

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Speaker 2: Cabinet secretary, and you're looking for a cabinet secretary at

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Speaker 2: the Minment and that's a couple hundred thousand pounds a

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Speaker 2: year Ken, and he's arguing you should get paid more

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Speaker 2: because he, subsequent to being the Cabinet's secretary, has been

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Speaker 2: he says, paid a lot more to do a lot less.

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Speaker 2: Do you not run the risk if you don't pay

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Speaker 2: people properly that the only reason they're really there is

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Speaker 2: for the power or the authority or the ego, and

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Speaker 2: not actually for the money, because half decent people can

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Speaker 2: earn decent money elsewhere.

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Speaker 13: Of course you do. And it's not just that, mate.

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Speaker 13: I mean forgive me for defending Starmer for a moment,

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Speaker 13: but you know, if you are supposedly the most powerful

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Speaker 13: man in the country but you're being paid at the

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Speaker 13: level of the manager of Driffield City Council, you know

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Speaker 13: then you are prone to the kindnesses of aids who

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Speaker 13: offer you a million pound apartment or an eighteen million

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Speaker 13: pound department and buy some clothes for your poor wife.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 13: The fact that we pay our elected politicians so little

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Speaker 13: comparatively is that it means that they are at risk

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Speaker 13: always of this kind of accusation and that they're taking

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Speaker 13: money on the free and yet if you try to

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Speaker 13: suggest that the money should be raised, you know you

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Speaker 13: will hear it on Question Time on the BBC. I've

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Speaker 13: said before on Question Time the MP should get more

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Speaker 13: and there will always be a Nursey says I.

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Speaker 18: Get thirty four thousand pounds a year. You have to

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Speaker 18: try to explain to them, yes, well okay, and I'm

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Speaker 18: sure you do a great job, but this is the

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Speaker 18: Prime minister, you know, this is an important job.

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Speaker 2: I had a poll out this morning. I had a

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Speaker 2: poll out this morning on Starmer who's knit favorability, and

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Speaker 2: favorability is now sitting at minus thirty five and this

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Speaker 2: resets on and they're looking at the non don text

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Speaker 2: and the equity texts and the private pensiontech. How have

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Speaker 2: things gone so wrong so fast?

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Speaker 13: Because he's not very good. I think it's the first

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Speaker 13: thing to say. I mean, I think that does have

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Speaker 13: to be said that there never seem to be any

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Speaker 13: driving force behind Starma other than the desire to win.

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Speaker 13: And he won on a very shallow basis. You know,

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Speaker 13: he didn't carry within the sorts of people which Teddy

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Speaker 13: Blair carried with him in ninety seven and still far

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Speaker 13: less that Margaret Thatcher carried with her in seventy nine,

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Speaker 13: even though it's a comparable landslide. He is not very adept,

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Speaker 13: He is not very agile politically. There is no great

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Speaker 13: imagination about how to make this country better, which is

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Speaker 13: what we all rather hoped for. There are people within

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Speaker 13: his shadow go or within his cabinet who suggest a

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Speaker 13: degree of imagination, such as we're streeting, for example. But

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Speaker 13: nonetheless this is a grey managerial, boring labor regime and

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Speaker 13: people don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. Might we'll catch up on Thursday. Rod

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Speaker 2: Little out of Britain this morning. I wonder if there's

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Speaker 2: a ca See we had this discussion in this country,

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Speaker 2: didn't we with the Adoon government. They weren't really They

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Speaker 2: set there for no years, allegedly getting prepped up. When

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Speaker 2: they arrived, they didn't know what they were doing, so

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Speaker 2: it was endless working groups. We've seen the same with

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Speaker 2: Albanisi in Australia. Small honeymoon, but now a disaster starmer

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Speaker 2: hasn't even lasted one hundred days. I wonder if there's

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Speaker 2: a connection. Eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by news talks that be so.

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Speaker 2: To this the breakthrough. So this is a polling project

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Speaker 2: in the States as regards the American election, and the

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Speaker 2: big trend is that there are more and more Americans

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Speaker 2: who are not hearing what Harris says. So I mentioned

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Speaker 2: before the news the word lie. They're increasingly associating the

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Speaker 2: word lie with Harris. Obviously they've associated it with Trump

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Speaker 2: for a sustained period of time. The fourth most mentioned

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Speaker 2: word after border, polls and campaign they worry about her

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Speaker 2: saying nothing issues like immigration and the economy later started

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Speaker 2: makes a notable or marx and noticeable shift in responses

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Speaker 2: about Harris herself on those issues. Most mentions for immigration

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Speaker 2: related words in relation to her campaign since she entered

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Speaker 2: the race in late July. Now, she doesn't want the

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Speaker 2: attention drawn to things like immigration and the economy. As

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Speaker 2: Nick was trying to point out earlier on what they

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Speaker 2: were hoping to talk about was abortion, the female vote

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Speaker 2: and abortion, Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court, the Trump appointments.

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Speaker 2: That was their campaign because they don't have a lot

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Speaker 2: to say on the economy, which is a weird thing

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01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 2: because the economy, if you look at the FED and

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Speaker 2: follow the FED seem to have managed, unlike US, a

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: soft landing, So if you look at the paperwork, it

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Speaker 2: looks reasonably good and the job numbers the other day.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing really to moan about in terms of the

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Speaker 2: American economy, all things being equal, But they don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about the economy, and they certainly don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about immigration because they're week on that. They

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Speaker 2: want to talk about abortion. So people are seeing her

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01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: or marking her down increasingly. But on Trump's side of

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01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: the equation, the assassination attempts remained prominent. As far as

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01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: what people are hearing about Trump or thinking about Trump,

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: immigrations faded a little bit. His meeting with Zelensky last

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01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: week is in play. Still at the moment, a lot

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01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: of people think he's a liar. Sixty four percent reported seeing, reading,

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01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: or hearing something about Harris in the past week. Now

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01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: that's significant because the week before it was sixty eight,

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Speaker 2: So it's gone from sixty eight to sixty four. So

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01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 2: the main point being the trend developing is fewer and

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01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 2: fewer people are following what's going on. In other words,

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01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: the inferences they've made up their mind. They're not following

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01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,799
Speaker 2: the story, So a fourth week in which more people

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01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: reported hearing about Trump more than they heard or reported

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01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 2: hearing about Harris, and that if you're in a campaign

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01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 2: for your life, is the last bit of information you

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Speaker 2: want to hear interesting A nine away from nine.

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Speaker 1: The mic Costing Breakfast with the Jaguar Mbase News Talks dB.

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Speaker 2: Jane Reddy's office has been in touch as regards our

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01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 2: interview this morning with the Prime Minister. And my big

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Speaker 2: thing about the Dunedin Hospital, having been born in Dunedin

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01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: and therefore born in the hospital, is that there's nothing

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01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 2: wrong with Look, we can't afford this and this is

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01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: just life. But we didn't get the three billion dollar figure,

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Speaker 2: and so the Prime Minister partially explained it. But this

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01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: has come from and this was the great argument that

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Speaker 2: seems to be two arguments at the moment. One is

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Speaker 2: it's not fair, it's not right. Wow, And I've got

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Speaker 2: no time for that. The cold hard reality is sadly

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Speaker 2: we don't have any money in this country and everything

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Speaker 2: we do costs more than we thought it would and

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Speaker 2: the cost is already blowing out, and so the three

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Speaker 2: billion dollar hospital is ridiculous and I would like to

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Speaker 2: think most people would accept that if, however reluctantly. But

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Speaker 2: we hadn't actually seen where they got the three billion from.

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Speaker 2: So total appropriation one point eight recent cost estimates several

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars over that approximation, plus we got four

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Speaker 2: hundred million for pathology, the lab of the car parking,

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Speaker 2: the refuge, decommissioning of buildings all up, that's coming in

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Speaker 2: at three billion dollars, and Shane Retti's office says there

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Speaker 2: is more to come, so that's not over yet. So

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think that if they can show that

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Speaker 2: the number is three, it's unrealistic, it's not acceptable. We'll

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Speaker 2: build at one, eight, one, nine, and the ego that

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Speaker 2: is your hospital, and you don't want to. I'm sure

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01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: even the people of Dunedin would argue that at three

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Speaker 2: you don't want to take facilities and costings and projects

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01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: and infrastructure away from other people because you say, noe,

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Speaker 2: three it is, and we want what we want and

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01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 2: never the twain shall meet. So at least we got

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Speaker 2: a little bit more clarity on the numbers. At the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, five away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now with Chemist Warehouse, the home of big brand ftamens.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: So we've got ourselves a new hit song and this

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Speaker 2: is by a guy called John karn canonell smiling through

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Speaker 2: the taste blood, and it's called Fighter, Got Brosy and

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Speaker 2: Broken Bone. It's number one on the Billboard charts.

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Speaker 13: They don't know in this ring alone.

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Speaker 2: Digital sales list. That is not the overall chance of dios.

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01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: No one can see flight winning the supporting actress, not

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Speaker 2: the real thing. But I wason to be too dire

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Speaker 2: naked rider. Who's this about? Listen to this? Not tell

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Speaker 2: me who's about?

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Speaker 6: Don't cash in that last bell all the wind of time.

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Speaker 18: I'm a fighter, I'm a fighter.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He's never written a popular song before get back, and

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01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: he's only got five thousand followers on the socials. But

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: that will try and come questionably, I'm sure one. I

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01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: didn't soldier on on this far just lose. I didn't

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01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: soldier on the spinal So shot, who's he talking about?

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Speaker 6: You said?

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Speaker 2: All you got come a fighter? Is it wrong of

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01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: me to side quite likeness? I was born minor.

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Speaker 11: Song well, and plenty of other people have made similar

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Speaker 11: comments on the videos. It's things like please get this

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Speaker 11: man back in office. Lord, you have let him survive

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Speaker 11: so much?

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Speaker 2: Can are you of those sentiments? Can it's about Trump?

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Speaker 2: Because it's about Trump, and because it's election year, and

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Speaker 2: probably because Fox went, I know, we'll play this quite

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Speaker 2: a lot. It's gone to number one on the Billboard

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Speaker 2: Charts Digital sales listing. John Can't Remember We at First

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow morning from six on the Mic Hosking Breakfast,

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Speaker 2: as always Happy Days.

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