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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin then to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: They'd be good afternoon at seven after four year on

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Speaker 2: Bishop ripping up the RMA. I'll tell you what it's

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Speaker 2: into profit. We're in Australia where an NRL mascot is

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Speaker 3: After six, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: It's not often you find yourself an honest politician. Most

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Speaker 2: of them mean well, but they like to overstate their

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Speaker 2: I'd never heard of her before. She's the first term

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Speaker 2: this year's election. Here's what she told Local Democracy reporting.

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Speaker 2: This is her exact quote. I have so far failed

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Hello Ryan, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on. Now. You changed your mind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so many years of research and suddenly discovering actually

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Speaker 2: Right, interesting, and so therefore we shouldn't tax them because

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Speaker 4: Well to be honest, You've hit the nail on the

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Speaker 2: ZBB urteen on News Talk ZB. We're going to have

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Speaker 2: the Minister on This is our Chris Bishop after five

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Speaker 2: One of those will effect if someone's going to build

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Speaker 2: Hey Elliott, Hey Ron, good to see you, Lucklise. Nineteen

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Speaker 7: This is looking to be the third time New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: We've got Ben Sigmund on the program after five thirty tonight,

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Speaker 7: No, that was I mean that was huge, that World

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Speaker 2: Hey, some lovely tributes today to Griz Wiley from Cantabrians

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Speaker 2: And we have two seconds, Eliot, but I can't go

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Speaker 2: past a bit of gossip. Tiger Woods is now he's

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Speaker 7: It looks a lot like Elin has, the one that

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Speaker 7: god step father to a number of Donald Trump's godchildren.

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Speaker 2: Grain is our world, isn't it. So it's Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: I can't name the wall, but Kai Trump is, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, Elliot, Thank you, Elliot Smith, sports talk host seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock tonight, News Talk ZB. It is twenty two minutes

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Speaker 2: after force. So much to talk about today. I barely

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Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes after four. We will cross to Australia

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Speaker 2: with our correspondent after the news, Oliver Peterson with us

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Speaker 2: from Perth Labor. They're promising a rebates for power bills. Also,

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Speaker 2: Get afternoon twenty five away from five News Talks. It'd

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Speaker 1: Now it's the world wires on newstalks, Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 2: The new Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, has called

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Speaker 2: a snap election. I have just requested that the Governor

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Speaker 1: The huddle with Music International correspondence with Ends and Eye

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Speaker 2: There was a rumor it was the pilot with the passport,

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Speaker 2: is with US six PR PERS Life presenter Oli Good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: Hello Ryan, Nice to have you back on the show. Now,

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Speaker 2: Labor is promising over there a rebates on power bills.

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Speaker 2: How much is that worth?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's going to be at the cost of almost

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Speaker 9: Regulator has approved price increases of up to nine percent

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Speaker 2: Well it's about time, OLLI. We've been talking about this

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Speaker 9: This happened on Friday, a thirty nine year old woman

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, this is it right?

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Speaker 9: Eighty year old Charlie Gallico. He has been Reggie the

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Speaker 9: Both clubs are investigating making any comment. But this is

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Speaker 9: The guy, the guy that dresses up is Reggie. He

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Speaker 2: So I mean he's bigger than Elvis. To some rugby

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Speaker 2: under that big hot soup Oi, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely undred's punching children. He's struggling for Rea. Poor guy

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Speaker 2: He bea It's eighteen away from five ran briguation. Drugs

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Speaker 2: surprise as we thought it would be because we already

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Speaker 2: knew some quarterly results. But it's confirmation that twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four saw an unpreced in ninety six percent increase in

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Speaker 2: methan phetamine consumption in New Zealand when compared to twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Supply up, demand up, price obviously down. It's

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Speaker 2: regional North Island towns that are worst affected. That is

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Speaker 2: pretty bad, isn't it. That's one hundred percent increase in

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Speaker 2: a year. How is our border protection looking to you? Now?

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Speaker 2: I would ask eighteen away from five Barry Soper next politics.

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Speaker 3: With centric credit, check your customers and get payment.

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Speaker 2: Certaintyb it's quarter to five, will have the minister on

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Speaker 2: the RIMA changes after five o'clock. Barry Soapa is here

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Speaker 2: right now, Senior political correspondent Barry Good afternoon, Good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: right hey, just a text to kick us off, Barry says, Hi, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: we knew the government we're going to replace the RIMA,

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Speaker 2: so today is just an announcement of an announcement to

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Speaker 2: say it's still two years away? Is that about? It's

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Speaker 2: from Lloyd? Is that right?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 11: Well known Lloyd? And fairness to the government today and

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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister Cohorts have just got off a stage

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Speaker 11: as I walked into the studio here. It's we did

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Speaker 11: know that they were going to change the RMA, but

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Speaker 11: this was cabinet signing off the two pieces of legislation

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Speaker 11: that they'll have in place to do that. So's that's

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Speaker 11: what they've decided today. But look, you're right, to an extent,

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Speaker 11: we've heard so much about the RMA. This is not

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Speaker 11: to be confused with the fast track legislation because that's

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Speaker 11: already gone through and that's but essentially in many cases

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Speaker 11: by passing the RMA. Anyway, And look, this was written,

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Speaker 11: this Act way back in nineteen ninety one. I remember it.

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Speaker 11: I was in Parliament at the time. Mold Jeffrey Palmer,

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Speaker 11: he was the Prime Minister and also the Environment Minister

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Speaker 11: when he wrote this piece of legislation, which is now

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Speaker 11: a thousand pages long. I found it interesting some of

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Speaker 11: the opening comments of the of the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 11: the Peace that we're on stage with them. Essentially they

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Speaker 11: were talking about the changes. That was the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 11: the Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop, and the Undersecretary Acts Simon Court.

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Speaker 11: Here they are in that.

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Speaker 12: Order have at this RIMA has enabled a cottage industry

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Speaker 12: of lawyers and consultants drafting thousands of pages of papers

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Speaker 12: and reports, all designed to block new roads, new wind farms,

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Speaker 12: new apartments in our central cities and farming in rural

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Speaker 12: New Zealand. It's the culture of no that I spoke

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Speaker 12: about earlier in the year brought to life.

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Speaker 2: Keywis are sick of it.

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Speaker 13: I'm sick of it.

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Speaker 12: We're all sick of it, and now we're taking action

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Speaker 12: right now.

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Speaker 6: Every individual council in New Zealand determines the technical rules

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Speaker 6: of each of their zones. Across New Zealand there are

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Speaker 6: one than one hundred and seventy five different kinds of zones,

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Speaker 6: and the entirety of Japan, which uses standardized zoning, there

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Speaker 6: are thirteen. These are one hundred and seventy five different

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Speaker 6: sets of technical zoning rules in a country the size

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Speaker 6: of New Zealand. Our view that it's totally nuts. There

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Speaker 6: is really no legitimate justification for the maximum building height

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Speaker 6: in a residential zone to be eight meters in capity

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Speaker 6: and nine meters indoneda.

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Speaker 14: It's one point three billion annually spent on consenting, according

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Speaker 14: to the Infrastructure Commission. At a recent peak, around forty

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Speaker 14: thousand consents were demanded in a year. Most of the

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Speaker 14: stuff we've been doing for years. We know how to

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Speaker 14: do earthworks, we know how to install a culvert under

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Speaker 14: a road. We know how to build a wastewater treatment

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Speaker 14: plant while protecting the environment.

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Speaker 11: You know, those three statements to me summed up why

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Speaker 11: this Act is absolutely.

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Speaker 2: A dog's breakfast.

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Speaker 11: How on earth do you interpret one zone from another

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Speaker 11: zone by bureaucrats, which are the council officers sitting in

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Speaker 11: there behind their desks. You know, people demanding because they

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Speaker 11: have to under the Act. That many applications in a year,

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Speaker 11: over forty thousand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the.

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Speaker 11: Country's gone, it's run by rules and regulation. You can't

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Speaker 11: get rid of some of them. We're not going to

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Speaker 11: progress at all.

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Speaker 2: No, the problem they'll have, though it's already be able

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Speaker 2: to come out and say this, but the problem I'll

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Speaker 2: have is passing this legislation and then keeping the legislation

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Speaker 2: once they've gone well.

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Speaker 11: Yes, well that's true. Labor did change make changes to

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Speaker 11: the RMA, and it was in fact old David Parker

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Speaker 11: that came up with the idea of the fast track.

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Speaker 11: So and he's been credited with it rather sarcastically in

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Speaker 11: the House day after day. But Labor had started. But

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Speaker 11: this is I think the real reform. And unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 11: people go, oh, for God's sake, and our listener said,

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Speaker 11: we don't see it until twenty twenty seven. Normally, change

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Speaker 11: like this takes more than two or even three years,

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Speaker 11: so they are moving pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Winston Peter's in his State of the Nation at the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Few protesters as well. From I mean, it was it

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Speaker 2: was taking back. It was every man and his dog,

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Speaker 2: wasn't it.

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Speaker 11: Well, he would have loved it. And it reminded me

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Speaker 11: just watching the the meeting that he was speaking to

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Speaker 11: that Rob Muldoon many many years ago, and some of

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Speaker 11: your listeners might remember. It was in the Dunedin Town

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Speaker 11: Hall and Rob was pointing at people in the audience,

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Speaker 11: telling the police get rid of them, get rid of them.

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Speaker 11: The cops would move and they'd be fighting. And I

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Speaker 11: remember there were three nuns standing the well. They were

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Speaker 11: at the front of the mezzanine floor and they all

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Speaker 11: of a sudden stood and bared their breasts. I want

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Speaker 11: to do They weren't nuns, of course, they were making

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Speaker 11: a point. But Lork Winston loves this like Muldoon loved

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Speaker 11: it because you can pick them out. And the thing

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Speaker 11: is that he had anticipated the disruption because in his

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Speaker 11: speech notes it was sort of written in you know,

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Speaker 11: that's how communist, fascist, anti democratic losers work, and that's

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Speaker 11: how they look, you know. I mean, it's all there.

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Speaker 11: So it was lovely and pre orchestrated for Winston. I

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Speaker 11: think the protesters did them a great favor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they looked nutty too, did they. What Now, very

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Speaker 2: quickly with the duneedan cultural spend that's brought the attention

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Speaker 2: of the taxpayersing into it.

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Speaker 11: It's a pr consultancy in the city and it's an

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Speaker 11: EWE owned consultancy firm. Over the past three years they've

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Speaker 11: spent the council has one point three sixty five million

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Speaker 11: dollars on advice and it's a ratepayers of the Taxpayers

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Speaker 11: Union who have put it out. I'm sure the rate

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Speaker 11: payers Union should be looking at it as well. But

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Speaker 11: items like more than one hundred thousand on the Harbor

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Speaker 11: City cycle Way cultural interpretation, so that's not even for

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Speaker 11: the building of it, it's giving them advice on the

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Speaker 11: cultural aspect to it. The George Street design work another

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Speaker 11: one hundred grand. The council basically told the consultancy firm

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Speaker 11: gave them seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for handouts

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Speaker 11: to clubs and groups. You know, if I was a

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Speaker 11: rate player in that town, spending another seventeen and a

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Speaker 11: half percent on our rates this year, got on the

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Speaker 11: Taxpayer's Union for bringing it to the four.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Barry Barry soapers. Then you put a

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Speaker 2: correspondent on rates the government wanting to cap rates and algae,

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Speaker 2: and they'd firing back. We've got them on the show

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Speaker 2: after five as well, just gone eight minutes too.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 15: Public Service Minister Judith Collins as well as I've been

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Speaker 15: through these things before. When you say are there savings

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Speaker 15: to be made, they come back and say, we'll have

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Speaker 15: different bunds at morning tea and we'll save on paper clips.

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Speaker 3: It's a waste of time.

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't know that it is.

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Speaker 16: Actually, when we took over and government just over a

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Speaker 16: year ago, the pucket service had grown in six years

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Speaker 16: by thirty four percent. As well as consultant spending is

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Speaker 16: going right through the roof. There will be some people

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Speaker 16: who think this is a bit of a joke, but

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Speaker 16: the words that are used in this sense all the

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Speaker 16: way through it, there is no money from guts tax

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Speaker 16: payers money. That's something that needs to be rammed home.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: the Rain driver of the lah News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Five to five on Newstalk zed B. After five we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Chris Bishop about the RMA changes

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Speaker 2: that their mate, well, just scrapping the rmail together and

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Speaker 2: coming up with two new laws right now, Tory Faro

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Speaker 2: the Wellington mayor hate to keep returning to Tory, but

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Speaker 2: just the headlines keep coming, don't they. So remember when

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Speaker 2: she sold her car to pay well she said Initially

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Speaker 2: she said I sold my car to pay for my

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Speaker 2: bills because I'm under financial pressure like everybody else, to

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Speaker 2: seem relatable, and then she backtracked on that she said, no,

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Speaker 2: I didn't, And so from then on no one really

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Speaker 2: believed anything she said because it all just seems a

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Speaker 2: bit shady. Well, now, the mayor's car, in other words,

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Speaker 2: the ratepayers car has been pinged along with other council cars,

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Speaker 2: speeding not once, not twice, hundreds of times. Now. To

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Speaker 2: be fair to them and to the staff who are

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Speaker 2: using these cars, it's in the thirty kilometer area and

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Speaker 2: that is I mean everyone does that. I mean, be

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Speaker 2: honest with yourself. Have you ever been more than thirty

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Speaker 2: k's in a thirty k zone? If you're not answering, yes,

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Speaker 2: you're lying. Now the data this is what the Council's

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Speaker 2: office said the dark because the question is in who's driving?

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Speaker 2: You know who's driving? Was it Tory? Well, the data

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Speaker 2: we hold is linked to vehicle registration number rather than

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Speaker 2: names of the officers driving the vehicles at any given time,

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Speaker 2: says the spokesperson. So we have asked the mayor if

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Speaker 2: she's ever sped in a council car, and we'll have

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Speaker 2: the response for you later in the show. But the

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Speaker 2: real story here is the thirty kilometer an hour thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you are better off you get there faster

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Speaker 2: getting out of your car and walking or running, which

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Speaker 2: I guess is what they want, isn't it. They don't

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Speaker 2: want you driving in your car. But if the people,

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Speaker 2: if the that's a too polite term, if the tyrants

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Speaker 2: who force us to go thirty kilometers an hour can't

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Speaker 2: even stick to the speedlan, then what hope have we none?

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Speaker 2: RMA Reform and auditing A Tamady Key next her hellus.

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Speaker 1: Questions answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge On, Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News Talks b New Talks.

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Speaker 2: Said b RMA reform in just a few moments. Seven

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Speaker 2: after five. Great to have your company. This evening. A

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Speaker 2: woman who'd escaped her abusive partner had her address and

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Speaker 2: details revealed to that ex partner by ordering a Tamadi key.

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Speaker 2: This has been revealed in a review of OT's approach

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Speaker 2: to privacy, which apparently is not that great. This woman

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Speaker 2: was subsequently abused, re abused by that ex partner. Karen

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Speaker 2: draws the Minister for Children. She's with me now, High Minister.

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Speaker 17: Hi, Ryan, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on. How do you feel reading

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Speaker 2: these cases?

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Speaker 17: It's absolutely horrifying to be perfectly honest. Oh wear two

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Speaker 17: hats in this building, and one is the prevention of

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Speaker 17: family harm and sexual violence. And when I read that

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Speaker 17: about a mother or about a woman being re abused

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Speaker 17: because of something that a staff member and ordering a

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Speaker 17: tamatique has deliberately done, that gives me grave concern, which

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Speaker 17: is why I set an expectation with what I'm atomaticae

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Speaker 17: around privacy and privacy breaches that they are unacceptable, they

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Speaker 17: won't be accepted, and they can't continue like this. People

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Speaker 17: rely on us and trust us with their personal details

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Speaker 17: that are often very hard to share in the first place,

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Speaker 17: and those details be treated with dignity or respect.

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Speaker 2: When you say this was deliberately done, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Do you mean that this person knew they could be

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Speaker 2: putting the woman at risk?

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Speaker 17: Well, just reading what was written and said, a staff

658
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Speaker 17: member took a screenshot of a mother's file and shared

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Speaker 17: it with the child's father, leading to further physical abuse. So,

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Speaker 17: just going off that sentence, when I read that, that

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Speaker 17: horrifies me. And I haven't looked further yet into the

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Speaker 17: details of that, but reading statement, if it's taken, of

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Speaker 17: course I will and if it's taken at face value

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Speaker 17: from what is written there, it is completely unacceptable. But

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Speaker 17: what I might add also is that this pre dates.

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Speaker 17: This comes into twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 17: pre dates from when I was here. But I have

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Speaker 17: set that expectation that this won't continue, And I'd just

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Speaker 17: like to note that we have not had any of

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Speaker 17: these notifiable privacy breaches in the last twelve months. The

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Speaker 17: expect is that people privacy is treated with dignity and respect.

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Speaker 17: This is people's lives we're talking about here, their lives

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Speaker 17: on piece of paper, and we need to treat it

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Speaker 17: as such.

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Speaker 2: Minister, thank you very much for your time. That's Karen Shaw.

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Speaker 2: She is the Minister for Children in charge of OT

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Speaker 2: and will be investigating that screenshot nine after five brand Now.

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Speaker 2: The government today replacing the dreaded RIMA with two new

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Speaker 2: laws due to be passed before the next election. A

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Speaker 2: Planning Act will focus on the development and use of land,

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Speaker 2: and the Natural Environment Act will look at the use

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Speaker 2: and protection of the environment. Sounds about right. Minister for

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Speaker 2: RMA Reform Chris Bishop is with me now, High Minister,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon. In a nutshell, what are you changing.

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Speaker 6: We're going to make fewer plans, there will be less

686
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Speaker 6: need for resource consents. That will be greater standardization around

687
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Speaker 6: the country what's called permitted activities, So as long as

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Speaker 6: you meet the standards and you are using your own

689
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Speaker 6: proper you can go off and do it. So fewer plans,

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Speaker 6: fewer resource consents, much more standardization, a much simpler system,

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Speaker 6: and it will lead to less cost and more ability

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Speaker 6: to do with your own property what you would like

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Speaker 6: and make it easy to build the houses and infrastructure

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Speaker 6: and projects that he Ze needs to get ahead.

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Speaker 2: So I own a three bedroom home on a five

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Speaker 2: hundred square meter section in a city in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: can I go three.

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Speaker 6: Floors depending on the zoning of the council.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 6: But one of the things we'll be looking at is

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Speaker 6: standardized zones. So in New Zealand at the moment, there

702
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Speaker 6: are one one hundred and seventy five different types of

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Speaker 6: zones around the country. Canterbury alone has over two hundred

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Speaker 6: different zones. It's an absolute nightmare for builders and from fact,

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Speaker 6: for anyone.

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Speaker 2: To work their way through.

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Speaker 6: Japan, by the way, has just thirteen different zones, thirteen

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Speaker 6: different land zones in which you can work out what

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Speaker 6: you do. So we want to radically simplify the number

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Speaker 6: of zones and end up with standardized zones around the country.

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Speaker 6: So the key point will be this rhyme. If you

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Speaker 6: want to build a three bedroom high home up to

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Speaker 6: a certain height limit in Lower Hut, it will be

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Speaker 6: the same in Lower Hut as it will be in

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Speaker 6: another part of the country. Because the standardized zone.

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Speaker 2: Okase. The problem you run into always is with councils

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Speaker 2: is the special character areas, isn't it? And they're different

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Speaker 2: in different places. But will you have a carve out

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Speaker 2: for areas where Wellington and Auckland and christ whatever might think, oh,

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Speaker 2: these houses are pretty and we don't want people to

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Speaker 2: be able to build up nine stories here.

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Speaker 6: There will be a safety valve through the legislation for

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Speaker 6: some types of deviation from standardized zones.

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Speaker 3: That is important.

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Speaker 6: There will be unique cases, but as a general principle,

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Speaker 6: there won't be the ability to do that. That is

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Speaker 6: precisely for example, why the eleven story green building which

728
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Speaker 6: was due to replace a gravel pit next to a

729
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Speaker 6: city rail Link station in Auckland got turned down precisely

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Speaker 6: because of those that sort of behavior and we want

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Speaker 6: to stop that.

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Speaker 2: Minister, thanks very much for your time. That's the minister

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Speaker 2: in charge of ripping up the RMA and doing something different,

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop. It is twelve minutes after five if you

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Speaker 2: saw this story out of Palmerston North, but it's one

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Speaker 2: of those stories that just grabs your attention. It's Featherston

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Speaker 2: Street and Palmerston North for those who know it, beautiful

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Speaker 2: street quite wide, well, it was quite a wide, lovely street.

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Speaker 2: Now they've put the cycle lanes in. And this is

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Speaker 2: a story that is repeated up and down the country.

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Speaker 2: You will know the story in your town or neighborhood,

742
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Speaker 2: wherever you live. Niceboog wide street. Now there's a cycle

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Speaker 2: lane down the side, and there's the bus stop the

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Speaker 2: buses going down the roads which are now much narrower,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much, counsel. And they've also put the

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Speaker 2: bus stops, four of them on Featherston Street, and the

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Speaker 2: buses must stop in lane, so all of the cars

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Speaker 2: back up behind them, and the traffic is so bad

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Speaker 2: that the other buses are now pulling out to go

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Speaker 2: around the bus that stopped to pick up and drop

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Speaker 2: off passengers. The city is grinding to a halt. Don't

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Speaker 2: eve enough. We call Palmeston North the city, but it

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Speaker 2: should be, and it won't be with these types of rules.

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Speaker 2: So what have they done to Featherston Street in Palmerston North.

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Speaker 2: I've got more on this after five point thirty We

756
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Speaker 2: are going to talk about funny enough about councils and

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Speaker 2: rates and the rates cap. After five point thirty, before

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Speaker 2: the huddle as well. Next, it's the all whites and

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Speaker 2: dot co dot nz. Cray Bridge, you're on newsbooks. There'd

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Speaker 2: be seventeen after five Ryan. They're currently doing exactly the

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Speaker 2: same thing on Great North Road between k Road and

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Speaker 2: Surrey Crescent and Auckland. Another says in Auckland Point Chevalier

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Speaker 2: Road is the same thing. This is the buses where

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Speaker 2: they now have buses. Instead of them having to pull

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Speaker 2: over into the side of the road and let passengers

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Speaker 2: on and off, the bus lane just is the lane

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Speaker 2: is the road, so they have to stop and all

789
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Speaker 2: of the cars behind them have to back up. And

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Speaker 2: this is a parmesanal story we were talking about earlier,

791
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Speaker 2: and somebody says it's actually in both directions as well.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine how frustrating that would be? Eighteen alf

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Speaker 2: to five news Talks, he'db Bryan Bridge. The All Whites

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Speaker 2: will be taking on New Caledonia at seven tonight at

795
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Speaker 2: Eden Park. It's all happening very soon. It's the game

796
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Speaker 2: that'll decide finally decide whether the New Zealand gets a

797
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Speaker 2: spot at the twenty twenty six feet the World Cup.

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Speaker 2: In North America or not. Ben Sigmund was on the

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Speaker 2: team the last time that New Zealan made it to

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Speaker 2: the World Cup, back in twenty twenty. He's sorry back

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Speaker 2: in twenty ten and he's with me now, hello, good eight.

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Speaker 2: So we haven't made it to World Cup since you

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Speaker 2: were in the team fifteen years ago. Do you reckon

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Speaker 2: we'll do it this time?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's looking pretty positive at this stage. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: like if a playlight they did Friday night against Fiji,

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Speaker 5: I think they'll be too good and too classy and

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Speaker 5: bring it home for sure.

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Speaker 2: How much of this is to do with Chris Wood?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're obviously the qualifying the criteria

812
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Speaker 2: is a lot different this time, and some would say

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Speaker 2: a lot easier, But how much of how they're playing

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Speaker 2: is to do with Chris?

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Speaker 5: He's a massive part and he's certainly inspirational around, you know,

816
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Speaker 5: being the leader and the captain. The whole team is

817
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Speaker 5: pretty well balanced now. She actually look at the starting

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Speaker 5: team from the other night, like most people are probably

819
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Speaker 5: playing in Europe are overseas. Tim Payne a league player,

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Speaker 5: and most of them are in decent leagues over throughout

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Speaker 5: the world now, So as much as Chris Wood is

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Speaker 5: a massive you know, I guess the rock solid striker

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Speaker 5: that just can't stop scoring. But you know there's a

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Speaker 5: pretty well grounded team and you know they played Fiji

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Speaker 5: off the park on Friday night and hopefully they can

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Speaker 5: do the same again tonight.

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Speaker 2: What was it like when you when you made it

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Speaker 2: there to the World Cup? What was it like being

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Speaker 2: part of the buzz?

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Speaker 5: Well, I was saying and someone the other day. We

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Speaker 5: celebrated and partied for about a week afterwards, and even

832
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Speaker 5: my granddad eighteen years of ages out until five in

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Speaker 5: the morning, so that probably counts you something. But there

834
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Speaker 5: was just a hype and the build up was massive,

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Speaker 5: you know. And you know we obviously went to Bahrain

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Speaker 5: and drew Nillo over there and then came back to

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Speaker 5: New Zealand and it was all to play for We're

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Speaker 5: back in Wellington, you know. So it was a big

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Speaker 5: moment and it was probably a career highlight by a

840
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Speaker 5: long shot for me. You know, it was just inspirational

841
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Speaker 5: around what this country did and what it did for

842
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Speaker 5: the game, and you know, hopefully we can do it again.

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Speaker 5: I know that we keep talking about it's not as

844
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Speaker 5: hard getting there and they've opened up another spot and

845
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Speaker 5: all those things. But for the game in New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: if the boys can go to another World Cup, it's

847
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Speaker 5: just it's a pinnacle of sport and you know, these

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Speaker 5: guys will be buzzing and it's a great achievement if they.

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Speaker 18: Can do it.

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Speaker 2: He is hoping they do, and here's hoping they party

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Speaker 2: like you did. Like it's twenty ten. Ben Sigmund All

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Speaker 2: White at the twenty ten World Cup. It's twenty one

853
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Speaker 2: minutes after five on news talks, there'd be just to

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Speaker 2: update you the stadium that everyone's been talking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: is Auckland going to go with Eden Park a revamped

856
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Speaker 2: Den Park? Are they going to go down in the

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Speaker 2: waterfront where the fancy new design the artist's impression we

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Speaker 2: all know that picture. We don't know yet. That's the

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Speaker 2: long and the short of it. They're not going to

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Speaker 2: announce it. And by the way, we won't find out

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Speaker 2: today what the council thinks, just what the staff at

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Speaker 2: the council think. And of course the staff tell the

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Speaker 2: councilors what to think, don't they, So we know that's

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Speaker 2: what the answer will be. Anyway, that will happen apparently

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Speaker 2: around seven or eight o'clock tonight, so you might get

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Speaker 2: it just in time for Elliott's show, Alex Smister Show

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Speaker 2: tonight with Sport after seven twenty one minutes after five.

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Speaker 2: Now on the Huddle tonight, we have Tris Shuson and

869
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Speaker 2: Mike Munroe. Lots to talk to them about. Next though,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you a little story about Willie Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Ryan Bridge, John

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Speaker 1: either dupla see Ellen.

873
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: Dry with one New Zealand let's get connected.

874
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Speaker 2: News talks'bi twenty four on News Talk said, be a

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Speaker 2: very good afternoon to you and to Willie Jackson. Willie,

876
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Speaker 2: I know you listen to this program, and I know

877
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: you'll text me after I say this, but I was

878
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: reading your sit down with Audrey Young in the Herald

879
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Speaker 2: this morning and here's the problem with it. I'll just

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Speaker 2: read you a little excerpt from it. Jackson talks a

881
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Speaker 2: lot about funding. This is from Audrey. He said that

882
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, when Labour was elected to power, the

883
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Speaker 2: combined targeted funding for Mardy was about one hundred and

884
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: twenty million bucks, so Labor was spending one hundred and

885
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: twenty million on maldy Well. The national was before Labor

886
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: took over, but in the second half of its six

887
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Speaker 2: year term it was averaging one billion for Marty initiatives

888
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: including health, funner order, housing and employment. The problem here, Willie,

889
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: is not how much you were spending, but what Mardy

890
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: were getting from it. Material hardship for Chill children went

891
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: up by the time Labor left office in November December

892
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Material hardship affects more than any other

893
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: group Mardy children. So how can you be proud, Willy,

894
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: of spending more money when the outcome was worse? Throwing

895
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: money at a problem and dancing around celebrating a check

896
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: being signed is so twenty twenty voters have learned the

897
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Speaker 2: hard way. Beware the politician who celebrates the funding announcement.

898
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Speaker 2: The proof of the pudding, as we all now unfortunately know,

899
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Speaker 2: is in the eating Bryan Bridge twenty six minutes after five,

900
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, over in the States because that's where he lives,

901
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: has done something very funny. So the Colorado State Capitol

902
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Speaker 2: Building has a portrait of Donald Trump, and it's not

903
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Speaker 2: to his liking to be fair, as it does look

904
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: a bit ugly. And you know what it's like. One

905
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: of your friends puts a photo up of you on

906
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Speaker 2: social media, you know, your friend Barb on Facebook, and

907
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: you look haggard and you haven't you know, you haven't

908
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: had a good sleep and maybe you've had too much

909
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: to eat that week and you're just not feeling great.

910
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: Can you take it down, Barb? That's what Donald Trump

911
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 2: is doing to the Colorado State Capitol building. He said

912
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Speaker 2: the picture is bad, and he says, nobody likes a

913
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Speaker 2: bad picture or painting of themselves. It was, he says,

914
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: purposely distorted to a level that even I perhaps have

915
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Speaker 2: never seen before. He said, maybe the artist haven't got

916
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Speaker 2: time to read her name. We'll find it out, but

917
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Speaker 2: it hasn't. Perhaps the artist has gone bad, he says,

918
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Speaker 2: that's one. The photo is bad, the portraits bad. Nothing

919
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: to do with him. Twenty seven after five news talks,

920
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Speaker 2: he'd be the huddle coming your way next and local government,

921
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

922
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Speaker 1: After making the news, the news makers talk to Ryan first.

923
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on. Here's a duplessy ellendro with one

924
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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks, it'd.

925
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Speaker 11: Be just songletin.

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Speaker 2: Songle Bon, You're just it is twenty five away from

927
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Speaker 2: six year on news Talks here B. It is Monday evening.

928
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you can't have a bit of fun though,

929
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Speaker 2: does it, And we will do that this evening. Nicola

930
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: Willis is here after six o'clock and interesting, she will

931
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: tell us that there has been a deal done over

932
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Speaker 2: the fairies and we will find out, hopefully in the

933
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Speaker 2: next week. We will find out what it is. They're

934
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Speaker 2: also going to make an announcement about their next steps

935
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Speaker 2: on supermarkets inside the next week, so Nicola Willis will

936
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Speaker 2: have the details after sex here on news Talks here B.

937
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Speaker 2: We've got the huddle standing by Trish Huson and Mike

938
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Speaker 2: Munroe will be with us in just a few moments.

939
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Speaker 2: And Bridge Rich councils are starting to freak out a

940
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Speaker 2: little bit at the idea of the government's floated of

941
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Speaker 2: putting a cap on future rate increases. Forget your fifteen

942
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Speaker 2: percent or your twelve percent, you eighteen percent, if you're

943
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: really unlucky, it'd be more like two or three. It's

944
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Speaker 2: just a proposal at the stage. We have no concrete details,

945
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Speaker 2: but local government New Zealand unhappy last week Ratings Agency

946
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Speaker 2: SMP downgraded eighteen councils and three CCOs council controlled organizations

947
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Speaker 2: across the country. Now, ALGAE and Z is saying things

948
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Speaker 2: could get worse if you put a cap on our rates.

949
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Speaker 2: Sam Broughton is the President of Local Government New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: He's with me now, Hi Sam, Yeah, good afternoon. So

951
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: what's the problems. What don't you like about a rates cap?

952
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 13: Well, councils do want to see more affordable rates for

953
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Speaker 13: their community, so that's something as a country we definitely

954
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Speaker 13: need to address and one of those ways is to

955
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Speaker 13: provide more funding tools for councils. So at the moment,

956
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Speaker 13: the government really only gives councils one way of paying

957
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 13: for the services that we need to and that's around

958
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 13: collecting rates. There's a little bit of user charges and

959
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 13: then using debt to fund into generational infrastructure, but rates

960
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Speaker 13: is the only thing. If we could have a share

961
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Speaker 13: of the GST on new builds, or use some congestion

962
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Speaker 13: charging or rate payers Assistant scheme which we're talking to

963
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Speaker 13: the government about stuff that the Crown is interested in

964
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Speaker 13: the share of cround mineral royalties, then that would actually

965
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Speaker 13: reduce the burden that's on rates at the moment. We

966
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Speaker 13: could take a more user pays approach. The thing with

967
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Speaker 13: a rates cap is really it's an artificial tool. That

968
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Speaker 13: would mean that we wouldn't necessarily be able to invest

969
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Speaker 13: in the community infrastructure that we need to. And New

970
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Speaker 13: Zealand's got a mess of you know, a billion dollars,

971
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Speaker 13: billions of dollars of infrastructure deficit at the moment because

972
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Speaker 13: we've kept rates artificially low over duperation.

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Speaker 2: See here's the thing. I buy all of your argument

974
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: up until you say we could have done this, well,

975
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: we could also have not wasted a whole bunch of

976
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: money on raised site, raised crossings. Yeah.

977
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Speaker 13: I think if you look at the MILLIONIC council spend

978
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Speaker 13: and use my counsel as an example, over eighty six

979
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Speaker 13: percent of our capital spends is on transport, order and

980
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 13: waste water infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: You know, exactly, really key, exactly how many raised crossings.

982
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: You know, how many cycle ways that no one uses.

983
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: This is what the problem that you're run into. When

984
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Speaker 2: you're coming out and saying no, I don't want a

985
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: rates cap because of X Y Z, people say, well,

986
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: maybe if you didn't spend money on dumb stuff. We

987
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Speaker 2: would agree with you.

988
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 13: Yeah, and rates capping is just not the tool what

989
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 13: we're saying. We do want more affordable rates, but we've

990
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Speaker 13: seen international examples in Australia use them. South Australia doesn't

991
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 13: have rates capping, Victorian New South Wales do. When you

992
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 13: compare the rates costs for those two communities.

993
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: What about spending on dumbelw What if we cap spending

994
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: on dumb stuff? So would that help it?

995
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 17: You know?

996
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 13: I think I think that's what councils do as they

997
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 13: think through their transparent way of talking to communities. We

998
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Speaker 13: have long term plans. We have people coming in and

999
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Speaker 13: talking to us about what they do and don't want

1000
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Speaker 13: us to spend it. I think you're right the transparency

1001
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Speaker 13: of council decision making is important, but a rate camping doesn't.

1002
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Speaker 2: Solve that, Sam, What do you say to people like

1003
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: Margaret Murray Bene who was on the program last week.

1004
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: Western Bay have plenty council they've pulled out of local

1005
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: government New Zealand. They say that you're just a left

1006
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: wing propaganda machine.

1007
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 13: Yeah, oh man, Local government New Zealand is made up

1008
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Speaker 13: from people from councils all across New Zealanders, a full

1009
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Speaker 13: mix across political spectrums. And yeah, to say that just

1010
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 13: doesn't sort of let'st onto the reality of what elg

1011
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 13: and Z is.

1012
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so you wouldn't consider yourself a left wing propaganda machine,

1013
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: no way, okay, all right, Sam, thanks for your time.

1014
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: Sam Bratton, who's the president of alg and Z not

1015
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: a left wing propaganda machine. Twenty one minutes away from

1016
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Speaker 2: Sex on News Talk ZB the.

1017
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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones with

1018
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: Local and Global Reach.

1019
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: Tris Shehurson Hirson willis pr with us tonight, Hay Trish, Hey, Ryan,

1020
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Speaker 2: good to have you on as always. And Mike Munroe,

1021
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Speaker 2: former chief of staff to just Sinda Adonis here too.

1022
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Speaker 2: Ho Mike, good I Ryan, Now, what are your thoughts

1023
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: first of all on rates cap? I mean Sam has

1024
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: a point that it's not that I mean, it's not

1025
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Speaker 2: a solution, it's not a long term solution and certainly

1026
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Speaker 2: not going to help with infrastructure. Mike, Yeah, I think he's.

1027
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Speaker 18: Got a point.

1028
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Speaker 19: You know.

1029
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Speaker 18: My concern here is Ryan that if we put in

1030
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Speaker 18: a cap, put a cap in place, we just sort

1031
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Speaker 18: of kicked the can down the road and some future

1032
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Speaker 18: council has to deal with the you know, with the

1033
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Speaker 18: with the escalating costs which which have been faced now,

1034
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Speaker 18: and that means, you know, future rate payers have to

1035
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Speaker 18: deal with it, maybe our kids. So so I agree

1036
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Speaker 18: with him, it's quite an artificial tool. And I just

1037
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Speaker 18: think we need to go back at some point and

1038
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Speaker 18: just look at the whole model of local government and

1039
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 18: how we operate it. We've been sort of mucking around

1040
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 18: at the fringes for a long time now and we

1041
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 18: have the same arguments of generation after generation. It seems

1042
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Speaker 18: like maybe we need to sort of re examine the

1043
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 18: model and how we do local government in New Zealand

1044
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Speaker 18: and whether it's fit for purposes. We go into these

1045
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 18: times of you know, enormous infrastructure costs sort of staring

1046
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Speaker 18: us in the face. And I'd also say something about

1047
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Speaker 18: the long term plans I think are really important because

1048
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Speaker 18: that's where you know, if we do those in an

1049
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Speaker 18: open and transparent way, we can see where the costs

1050
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Speaker 18: are going to be sort of a loaded on us

1051
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Speaker 18: over the next three, five, ten years. So I think

1052
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Speaker 18: a great emphasis on those plans being really transparent would

1053
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Speaker 18: help as well.

1054
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Speaker 2: Trish What is the core of the problem with counsels?

1055
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: Are there too many voices? Are there too many people

1056
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: at the table?

1057
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Speaker 18: What is it?

1058
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Speaker 8: I agree with Mike that fundamentally the model is broken.

1059
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Speaker 8: In my view, in a country of our size and

1060
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Speaker 8: scale a we've got way too many councils. If you

1061
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Speaker 8: looked at relative population sizes overseas, you would not have

1062
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Speaker 8: anywhere near this. That leads to cost and complexity. The

1063
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Speaker 8: issue for rate payers is the huge uncertainty that has

1064
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 8: been called caused by exponential rate rises. So just to

1065
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 8: give you a feel for the numbers, there was a

1066
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Speaker 8: great story by Jonathan Killick in the Sunday Sometimes in

1067
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Speaker 8: feb they went back and to have a look at

1068
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Speaker 8: so in Wellington that council has delivered rate increases of

1069
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Speaker 8: twelve point eight, eight point eight, twelve point three and

1070
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Speaker 8: eighteen point five percent in the last four years. The

1071
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Speaker 8: projected increase means that that rate increase is going to

1072
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Speaker 8: go up by more than one hundred and seventy five

1073
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Speaker 8: percent over the next ten years. So you just can't

1074
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Speaker 8: realistically expect people to be trying to pay a mortgage

1075
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Speaker 8: and live in their own homes with wild rate increases.

1076
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Speaker 2: Like that, especially when you don't and Mike people don't

1077
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: feel like well, not only do they not feel like it,

1078
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Speaker 2: it's it's self evident they aren't getting more for it.

1079
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Speaker 2: In fact, in a lot of cases, they're getting less.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and that's what we need to go back and

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Speaker 18: look at the model. You know, We've got to ask

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Speaker 18: some really big questions like take water, for example, is

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00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 18: water is so important from a public health point of

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Speaker 18: view in terms of clean water, waste waters disposal, et cetera.

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Speaker 18: Maybe the states you look after that, maybe that should

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Speaker 18: be fully funded centrally in New Zealand, so that so

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Speaker 18: that councils can go back to looking after the basics,

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Speaker 18: the bread and butter issues like you know, like your

1089
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Speaker 18: rubbish collection in your foot paths and whatever. So if

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Speaker 18: we go on the same way, we're just going to

1091
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Speaker 18: have the same pressure year after year because the cost

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Speaker 18: of running these cities and rebuilding these cities, especially the

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Speaker 18: water infrastructure, it's going to get higher and higher. So

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Speaker 18: I just don't see an end in sight if we

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Speaker 18: just go on the same old way.

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Speaker 8: In the meantime, I think there are a couple of

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Speaker 8: useful things that the government is doing don't forget that.

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Speaker 8: Number one, they are later this year introducing legislation that

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Speaker 8: will force councils to get back to basics. So that's

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Speaker 8: that's in an attempt to stop waste on stuff they

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Speaker 8: shouldn't be doing. And then number two they will also

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Speaker 8: every year make a report available nationally, so if I'm

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Speaker 8: a rate payer in Auckland, I can go on and

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Speaker 8: essentially compare my rates and the value for money I'm

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Speaker 8: getting against someone in Wellington or christ Church. I think

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Speaker 8: that will be a useful tool for for people voting

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Speaker 8: in local body elections to hold elected councilors to account

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Speaker 8: for the money that they're spending.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, we'll leave it here, guys and come back

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Speaker 2: and just a second. Tricius and Mike Munroe on the

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Speaker 2: huddle tonight. This is from Angus Ryan of councils, dump

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Speaker 2: cycle ways, ludicrous traffic management and hideously costly resource consents.

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Speaker 2: They probably wouldn't need a rate increase.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find you're

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Speaker 1: one of the kind.

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Speaker 2: Tricians and Mike Munroe on the Huddle to night thirteen

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Speaker 2: Away from six Winston went pretty hard on Labor during

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Speaker 2: his State of the Nation speech at the weekend, which

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Speaker 2: was of trish, you know, intentional. Winston doesn't do anything

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Speaker 2: that he hasn't thought very carefully about. You know, there

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Speaker 2: often the polls he's potentially a threat. Winston's just reminding everyone, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is what this guy, this is his record.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree. I mean there's no surprises. I don't

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Speaker 8: think that he went after Labor, and I noted the

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Speaker 8: PM was asked about that at his post cabinet press

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Speaker 8: conference for instant and he was very positive about Winston

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Speaker 8: being the attack dog on Labor on Sunday. But I

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Speaker 8: do think that both Winston and the Prime Minister have

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Speaker 8: a point, and that is that it is outrageous what

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Speaker 8: happened under Labor, the waste, the mismanagement, and they have

1131
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Speaker 8: left a massive hole that New Zealand has to climb

1132
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Speaker 8: out of. The problem for New Zealand first and national

1133
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 8: an act is that the electorate is is very impatient

1134
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Speaker 8: at the moment and they won't look kindly on keeping

1135
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Speaker 8: on blaming Labor. They'll say, well, hey, you know, you

1136
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 8: guys have been in now for fifteen fifteen months, so

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Speaker 8: it's a it's a fine line to tread. I think

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Speaker 8: the other interesting thing though about Winston's speech and Labor

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Speaker 8: was if you if you read it on face value,

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Speaker 8: it's essentially saying New Zealand first will not work with labor.

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Speaker 8: He called them a bunch of unreformed losers, I think

1142
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Speaker 8: if I'm quoting him correctly. So so that was interesting

1143
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 8: this far out. Don't forget before the last election he

1144
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 8: also ruled out working with labor, but we've never seen

1145
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 8: it this far out.

1146
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think specifically Hipkins he ruled out this

1147
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Speaker 2: morning as well. Mike, does does any of this surprise you?

1148
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Speaker 2: And do you think is this a sign that Winston

1149
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 2: actually is a little bit worried about labor? Well?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, right now Labor's living in his head rent free,

1151
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 18: it seems.

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Speaker 2: Actually.

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Speaker 18: Look, this was built as a state of the Nation speech,

1154
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 18: and that was actually false advertising. It wasn't a state

1155
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 18: of the nation speech. It was the start of the

1156
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 18: twenty twenty six Labor election campaign. So sorry, folks, it

1157
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 18: might only be some March twenty twenty five, but the

1158
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 18: twenty six campaign is underway. Look, you know so much

1159
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 18: has been going on Ryan under this a net government

1160
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 18: with treaty issues and failing health services and the bunding

1161
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 18: over the Cookshaite fairies, the school lunches issues. I guess

1162
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Speaker 18: Winston's fair is that people are starting to forget about

1163
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 18: why they rejected labor at the end of twenty twenty three,

1164
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 18: So he's just wanting to give them a refresher on

1165
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 18: recent history, and he chose this audience in this state

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Speaker 18: to do that. The other thing about the speech that

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 18: amused me is that about seven days ago we saw

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Speaker 18: Winston the statesman in Washington, DC, doing a great job

1169
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 18: as the country's foreign affairs minister, acting like a statesman,

1170
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 18: and he comes home and sort of lows himself to

1171
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 18: this level of renting on about woke issues, this sort

1172
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 18: of pathetic, weird obsession that the political right have with

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01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 18: the state of the world. It just showed you the

1174
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 18: two faces of Winston, so you know, in the course

1175
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Speaker 18: of a few days, and and like you in many ways,

1176
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 18: it shows you why it's such a good politician. You

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 18: can sort of switch from one to the other quite quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think it's a weird obsession? I mean,

1179
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: clearly it's got some it's got some push through with

1180
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: in the America at least I don't know about here,

1181
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: but I mean, well, it's not just like a myth

1182
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: that that politicians talk about it and therefore it exists.

1183
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: I think people do genuinely feel aggrieved about something, don't they.

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Speaker 18: Well, work has just become synonymous with sort of lefties

1185
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 18: or liberals, and and you know he's appealing to all

1186
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 18: those sort of high ground people in the racist and

1187
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 18: reactionaries and those with you know, a great intolerance of

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Speaker 18: all things Mardi. That's who he's talking to. That's the

1189
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Speaker 18: support base. So I think when he when he uses woke, yeah,

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01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 18: he's talking more about the sort of lefty liberal agenda,

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01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 18: which he doesn't like, and he's imploring his supporters not

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 18: to like as well.

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Speaker 2: Trish the stadium. Which where would you prefer? Would you

1194
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: prefer we jazz up and tart up Eden Park or

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Speaker 2: head down to the waterfront.

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Speaker 8: Well, well, you know, no one in Auckland. Yeah, no

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01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 8: one in Auckland would argue that trying to put lipstick

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Speaker 8: on Eden Park is the soul of New zeal that

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Speaker 8: Auckland needs to be a world class city. And I

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01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 8: was reflecting the other day on the comments of one

1201
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 8: of the big Ossie sports guys who came over and

1202
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 8: had a look at the new stadium in christ Church

1203
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 8: and he said, isn't this fantastic purpose built covered roof.

1204
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 8: You can have sports in here all year round anywhether

1205
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 8: all of the transport links are here. You can walk

1206
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 8: quickly into town and get a drink. And I thought,

1207
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 8: you know, Auckland should have been first to have a

1208
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Speaker 8: facility like that.

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Speaker 2: So basically, goodbye, goodbye Eden Park. They've wasted all of

1210
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: those free tickets inviting all of those boring counselors to

1211
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: come to all of their concerts. Mike, do you agree

1212
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Speaker 2: to build something new?

1213
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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I think it's disgraceful that Auckland City doesn't

1214
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 18: have a world class stadium, especially a rugby stadium. I mean,

1215
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 18: you know, we are a rugby powerhouse of the world

1216
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 18: largely still and it's our national sport and big rugby

1217
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 18: games are going to be a huge part of Auckland's

1218
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 18: sporting life for the foreseeable future. And so it's about

1219
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 18: time they got on and made a decision about it.

1220
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Speaker 18: And again I just can't believe this of fluffing around

1221
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 18: about this. You know, I was working for the Helen

1222
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 18: Clark lady government back in nearly two thousands when there's

1223
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 18: a huge debate and I thought we got very close

1224
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Speaker 18: actually to making a decision about building a new flash

1225
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 18: waterfront stadium in Auckland. But that seems like ancient history now.

1226
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Speaker 18: That must have been fifteen sixteen years ago, and here

1227
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 18: we are still going around and around in circles trying

1228
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Speaker 18: to work out where the best location is and what

1229
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 18: the sort of dimensions should be. So yeah, my message

1230
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Speaker 18: to Orkand is, for Christ's sake make a decision, is

1231
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Speaker 18: to get to head and do it.

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Speaker 2: Trustees in a mic run row. Thanks guys. We will

1233
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: find out by the way this evening what the Council recommends,

1234
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: the Council Laws decide, then the Council Laws themselves will decide.

1235
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Speaker 2: On Thursday, it's seven to six news Talks. There'd be

1236
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: Nicola Willis after six.

1237
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1238
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: on iHeart Radio powered by Newstalk.

1239
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 2: ZB News Talk ZB. It is four minutes away from Sex.

1240
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: Nicola Willis with us after six o'clock. Also, we're going

1241
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: to talk after six thirty to the acting CEO of Sinlay.

1242
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: They are back in profit. After remember pretty terrible ninety

1243
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: six point two million dollar loss for the last year.

1244
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: They are now back a four point eight million dollar

1245
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: profit for the first half of this year. So how

1246
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: did they achieve that and how sustainable is it. We'll

1247
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: talk to them after six thirty. Lots of texts, so

1248
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: many texts on Eden Park and whether you get away

1249
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: do away with that and go down into the city.

1250
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: Someone says, built Auckland Stadium in that hole that doesn't

1251
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: have anything built on it. I think they're talking about

1252
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: Mount Eden. Ryan Land at the waterfront is not owned

1253
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: by the government for a new stadium. Just bowl over

1254
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: eden Park and have a total redo. Since Michael, everyone

1255
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: has an opinion and loves to have an opinion on

1256
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: Eden Park. It's just gone three minutes away from the Sex.

1257
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Speaker 2: We'll get to Nichola Willis after news.

1258
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Speaker 1: What's down one with a major calls and how will

1259
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: it affect the economy? The big business questions on the

1260
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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Insurance and investments,

1261
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Speaker 1: Grow your.

1262
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: Wealth, Protect your Future? News talks at.

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Speaker 2: Ben get a seven up to Sex coming up on

1264
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: the prom this our Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management on

1265
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: the markets, the Sinlay boss on the company's turnaround, and

1266
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: Gavin Graves in the UK right now, the Finance Minister,

1267
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 2: Nichola Willis minister. Good evening, good evening, now the cook

1268
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: straight Fairies. We've got a one week left on the

1269
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: countdown clock for Winston Peters. Is there a solution in

1270
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: hand yet?

1271
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Speaker 17: Do you know?

1272
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 19: Everything's progressing well? And announcements will be made shortly.

1273
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Speaker 2: Which would indicate there's something to be announced.

1274
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Speaker 19: There will be there will indeed be Oh.

1275
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Speaker 2: Okay, so he's actually managed to do a deal.

1276
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 19: Well, kednich will make decisions and when we've made them,

1277
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 19: we will announce them. But I can report to you

1278
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 19: that everything is progressing well.

1279
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Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting, So the talks were for obviously fruitful and

1280
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Speaker 2: can okay, let me put it this way, because I

1281
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: know you'll be tied up in riddles. Is it is

1282
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 2: it your option that you'll be going with no?

1283
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 8: Well?

1284
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Speaker 19: What New Zealanders have always wanted to know is can

1285
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 19: you deliver the fairies by twenty twenty nine with a

1286
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 19: more affordable budget that is more deliverable than the last government.

1287
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Speaker 19: And the answer to both of those questions is yes,

1288
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 19: and we will be making announcements that demonstrate that in

1289
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Speaker 19: a week when we make the announcements, run.

1290
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Speaker 2: Hey, Local Government New Zealand, pushing back at the suggestion

1291
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Speaker 2: of a cap on rates, are you actually proposing one?

1292
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Speaker 19: Well, we are progressing work on that because we make

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Speaker 19: no apologies to the fact that we're on the side

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Speaker 19: of rate payers, and ratepayers have had a guts full

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Speaker 19: with massive rate increases, and we're not going to let

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Speaker 19: local government completely off the hook. We're going to continue

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Speaker 19: to demand that they show more discipline in their spending

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Speaker 19: and we are looking at options for getting them to

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Speaker 19: focus the spending they do on the basics, on infrastructure,

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Speaker 19: on waste management, on those things rather than some of

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Speaker 19: the things that they have been funding. I mean, here

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Speaker 19: in Wellington, our council has literally been funding stand up

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Speaker 19: comedy sessions, interpretive dance shows and place that's not what

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Speaker 19: your rates should be spent on.

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Speaker 2: You won't find that. You won't find anyone listening who

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Speaker 2: doesn't agree with you on that. But Local Government New

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Speaker 2: Zealand says it'll have a perverse impact on them if

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Speaker 2: you limit their rates. If you put a cap on rates,

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Speaker 2: their borrowing costs will go up. It'll actually make servicing

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Speaker 2: the much needed infrastructure even harder.

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Speaker 19: Well, we do want to make sure that councils are

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Speaker 19: able to fund the infrastructure needed to support growth. Of course,

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Speaker 19: government funds a lot of that directly, whether it's roads

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Speaker 19: or the contribution we make to local roads, but we're

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Speaker 19: also expanding the council's funding options away from rates. So

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Speaker 19: that's both things like the development levy system which we've announced,

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Speaker 19: which is about growth in housing areas paying for the

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Speaker 19: growth and infrastructure costs. But it's also by looking at

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Speaker 19: the borrowing limits, ensuring that the local government funding authority

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Speaker 19: is able to extend good terms of lending to local

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Speaker 19: government authorities who are having to invest in infrastructure for

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Speaker 19: the future. So we're looking at a number of funding mechanisms.

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Speaker 19: We don't think the full burden of all costs should

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Speaker 19: fall on ratepayers. There are a number of other ways

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Speaker 19: of funding some costs, like what like lev's on developers

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Speaker 19: who are developing land for new housing that they can

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Speaker 19: help meet those costs and the eventual homeowners can help

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Speaker 19: meet those costs.

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Speaker 2: The Child Poverty Action Group I've written your letter about

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Speaker 2: school lunches. When does the funding run out for that.

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Speaker 19: Not until the end of next year. So we are

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Speaker 19: in contracts that don't end until next year, and we

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Speaker 19: won't be letting those contractors off the hook. We want

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Speaker 19: to see them deliver what they promised to the schools involved,

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Speaker 19: and we want to get value for that money. The

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Speaker 19: other thing that the Child Poverty Action Group have forgotten

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Speaker 19: is that by making the savings that we did, we

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Speaker 19: were able to extend a food lunch, a food program

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Speaker 19: to ten thousand children in early childhood centers who were

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Speaker 19: particularly in need of nutrition. And we were able to

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Speaker 19: deliver an increase in working for family support to many

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Speaker 19: low income family So every dollar has multiple uses, right.

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Speaker 2: So that's basically though. No funding running out till the

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Speaker 2: end of next year, so no decisions about whether to

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Speaker 2: either cut or to extend or whatever would be made

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Speaker 2: anytime soon. You're continue continuing as is.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, continuing with the status quo about driving the contractor

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Speaker 19: to deliver. That should be our focus on. Behalf of

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Speaker 19: text path very.

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Speaker 2: Good as it should now. The Australian Supermarket inquirer, I

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Speaker 2: don't know whether you caught up with this, but the

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Speaker 2: ageable ce have I got that round the right way

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Speaker 2: or it's c triple A over the aguablecy So they

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Speaker 2: basically came out and said things aren't as great as

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Speaker 2: we think they are. You know, we look at Australia

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Speaker 2: supermarket operation and think, oh, well, isn't that lovely. Everything's

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Speaker 2: so cheap over there. They came out and said, actually,

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Speaker 2: it's quite uncompetitive, it's overly profitable. It's not perfect over there. Eider, No,

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Speaker 2: it's not.

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Speaker 19: And in particular that I've identified something we have identified,

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Speaker 19: which is that there are real barriers to a large

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Speaker 19: scale new entrant. And the point is that it's good

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Speaker 19: having a niche grocery provider open, but unless you get

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Speaker 19: someone who's opening up multiple stores, it's hard to get

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Speaker 19: that competition impact. So that's something I've been engaging with

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Speaker 19: a range of smaller players and that's something I've identified,

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Speaker 19: and it's clear to me that the government will need

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Speaker 19: to take further action in this space. Cabinet has made

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Speaker 19: some decisions here and we will be making announcements in

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Speaker 19: the next week.

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Speaker 2: About super So that's about land banking, about our.

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Speaker 19: Next steps to encourage more competition in the supermarket sector.

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Speaker 2: Problem is the more I mean, you will never make

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Speaker 2: more profit out of a supermarket in New Zealand than

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Speaker 2: you do right now.

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Speaker 19: So it's a super profitable sector and so we're coming

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Speaker 19: at the expense of consumers.

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Speaker 2: I got yeah, I get it. But if we can't

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Speaker 2: attract I mean, you're talking about more regulation. If we

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Speaker 2: can't attract an entrant with the most profit you'll ever

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Speaker 2: make and the lowest regulation, now, what hope do we

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Speaker 2: have with more regulation and less profit?

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Speaker 19: Your concern is precisely mine, I want to understand, and

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Speaker 19: the Government will have further announcements to make on this.

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Speaker 19: The structural market barriers that mean even are cashed up

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Speaker 19: investor looking to make profits goes ooh, if you go

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Speaker 19: and invest in that sector in New Zealand, you're on

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Speaker 19: a hiding to nothing. And what the Australian report shows,

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Speaker 19: and what reports in New Zealand of Sean, is that

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Speaker 19: there is such significant market power in the existing dreopoly

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Speaker 19: that anyone wanting to enter our grocery sector goes that's

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Speaker 19: going to be a hard road and we need to

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Speaker 19: address that because if they're going to face predatory pricing,

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Speaker 19: if they're going to face problems that make them think

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Speaker 19: you just can't do it. I think we have an

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Speaker 19: obligation to New Zealand shoppers to do something about it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Minister, anything else you want to drop or

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Speaker 2: leak on this show. You have a habit of giving

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Speaker 2: us a little nugget every week. I don't we've had

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Speaker 2: sufficient nuggets yet.

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Speaker 19: This is a government with lots of nuggets. Today we've

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Speaker 19: announced Radical Resource Management Act reform that's going to make

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Speaker 19: it easier to build things in New Zealand. Very detailed

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Speaker 19: piece of work. And look that's been a massive head

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Speaker 19: one for our economy for many years and we're finally

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Speaker 19: the government who's going to fix it.

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Speaker 2: That's a no nugget nugget from Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on the show every Monday, as you do.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen after six News Talks, there'd be Shane Soley on

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Speaker 2: the markets next. How are they reacting to forecast for growth?

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Speaker 3: It's the Heather.

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Speaker 1: Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: empowered by News Talk Zebbie.

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Speaker 2: Six seventeen Ryan, this is from Greg Ryan. Just because

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Speaker 2: you have what they call a third entrant into the market.

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Speaker 2: This is Supermarkets who were just talking to Nicola Willis

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Speaker 2: about the prospect of someone else coming in. But even

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Speaker 2: if someone else does come in, look at Australia, it's

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Speaker 2: not they're perfect. They've just had a report from their

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Speaker 2: Commerce Commission equivalent saying things aren't that great. About seventy

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Speaker 2: percent of all everything that goes in your mouth in

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Speaker 2: Australia food wise, it comes from a super one of

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Speaker 2: two supermarkets.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Greggs says. Sorry. Greggs says, just because you have what

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Speaker 2: they call a third entrant into the market, Costco is

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Speaker 2: not competition to the big two. You need to have

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Speaker 2: somebody who could have multiple sites around the whole of

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, not just one situated in little old West Auckland. Greg,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Now it's eighteen minutes after six Shane,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge, Shane solis Here, Harbort Asset Management. Hi, Shane,

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Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 8: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Give us an overview of how global markets are doing

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Speaker 2: as we start the week.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Look, there's been a few bumps to shear markets so

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Speaker 20: by this year, but there's a few signs that things

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Speaker 20: are starting to stabilize. Last week the uisure market was flat.

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Speaker 20: Now that doesn't sound great. The it's actually better than

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Speaker 20: we've seen for a little while. And it was on

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Speaker 20: this sort of more dubbish signals from the US EDUL Reserve.

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Speaker 3: They were worried about.

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Speaker 20: Increasing rates and the market continues to struggle with this,

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Speaker 20: the konom of growth slowing down and trade concerns. So

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Speaker 20: you todate we're sending US market down three percent. But

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Speaker 20: mister Trump, he's come out and said that he will

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Speaker 20: be flexible on terrorists with China, and you may actually

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Speaker 20: it's open stinkingdoms to g so could be a better

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Speaker 20: signalance as the market's going forward. Europe's been the star.

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Speaker 20: The Riant's up eleven percent year to day, all about

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Speaker 20: defense and infrastructure spending. China not bad, only down two percent,

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Speaker 20: and it's all about stimulus. Here in your on note,

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Speaker 20: the market was sort of slightly up today, a bit

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Speaker 20: of strength and AUK and Airport, Meridion, main FRAT, but

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Speaker 20: we're still down seven point six percent year to day.

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Speaker 20: So this is a few months, but we're starting into

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Speaker 20: some better science.

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Speaker 2: How worried are they you mentioned growth? How worried are

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Speaker 2: markets about global growth and the prospect? Yes, it might

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Speaker 2: be taking a turn.

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Speaker 20: It's a really this is what it's all about. And

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Speaker 20: you've heard on there. This is why markets are said

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Speaker 20: volatile and certainty around growth forecast, particularly rather the tray

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Speaker 20: and government efficiency drives. You know, we shouldn't be surprised,

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Speaker 20: but we've had a pretty good recovery last year and

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Speaker 20: so market's a pretty weary. There's a few data points

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Speaker 20: coming up this week that actually might help with that. Tonight,

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Speaker 20: we've got US Russia talking, and there's this purchasing manager

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Speaker 20: and desees out of Europe and the US. And what

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Speaker 20: a PMI is is it's a lead indicator for activity.

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Speaker 20: And then we get later in the week, we get,

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Speaker 20: particularly on Thursday, what's called the Core Personal Consumption Experisure

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Speaker 20: PCI Price Index, and that's what the US for the

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Speaker 20: reserve users to set rates. And then we end a

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Speaker 20: week on Friday with the University of Michigan Sentiment, which

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Speaker 20: is all about consumer confidence. There's a few real key

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Speaker 20: data points coming up, but we're all going to keep

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Speaker 20: watching to see what mister Trump's is next.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, well, Shane, thanks for that, Shane, Sally Harbor Ract Management.

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Speaker 2: We'll have the Sinlay story for you after six point

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Speaker 2: thirty as well. We'll speak to the acting Sinlay boss

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Speaker 2: about that incredible turnaround. It's just gone twenty up to

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Speaker 2: six now. And earlier in the show, we spoke to

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop, he's the man in charge of reforming the RMA,

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Speaker 2: the Resource Management Act. A couple of interesting things. One

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Speaker 2: so we knew this was happening. Obviously, they were getting

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Speaker 2: rid of the RMA. They've scrapped Labor's changes. Now Labour's changes.

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Speaker 2: According to the bureaucrats, Labour's changes, we're going to get

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Speaker 2: rid of about seven percent of all of the red

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Speaker 2: tape bureaucratic nonsense. These changes, according to the same bureaucrats,

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Speaker 2: will get rid of forty nine percent of all of

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Speaker 2: the red tape bureaucratic nonsense. So you'd have to say,

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Speaker 2: at least on paper, according to these bureaucrats, but at

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Speaker 2: least on paper, that this is a far bigger bite

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Speaker 2: out of the apple than what Labor was attempting to

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Speaker 2: do with their RMA reforms. However, I asked Chris Bishop

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Speaker 2: about this earlier on one of the big sticking points

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Speaker 2: in the cities when it comes to building houses and

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Speaker 2: getting apartments shot up. All that kind of stuff is

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Speaker 2: your character areas and people saying, oh no, I don't

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Speaker 2: want that next to my house because it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a bungalow or whatever. There's still going to be

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Speaker 2: a carve out. Have a listen to this quick Q

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Speaker 2: and A. The problem you run into always is with

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Speaker 2: councils is the special character areas, isn't it? And they're

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01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: different in different places. But will you have a carve

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: out for areas where Wellington and Auckland and christ At

1509
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 2: whatever might think, oh, these houses are pretty and we

1510
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: don't want people to be able to build up nine

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Speaker 2: stories here.

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Speaker 6: There will be a safety valve through the legislation for

1513
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 6: some types of deviation from standardized zones.

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Speaker 2: That is important.

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,480
Speaker 6: There will be unique cases, but as a general principle

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01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 6: there won't be the ability to do that.

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01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: There you go the old safety valve. Everyone needs a

1518
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 2: safety valve. Why because you need to be re elected.

1519
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: That's basically what safety valves are for. If you're in

1520
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: a particular area, a particular election in New Zealand and

1521
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: there's enough opposition to a big bill like this, then

1522
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 2: you need a safety bell. Everyone needs one twenty two

1523
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: after six.

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1525
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: You have a business hour with Ryan Bridge and Mair's

1526
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: insurance and investments. Grow your wealth, Protect your future, can use.

1527
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 3: Dogs v Six.

1528
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Speaker 2: We'll get to Gavin Gray in the UK before seven.

1529
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: Ryan the Capital Coast District Council. We were talking earlier

1530
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: about council spending, council waste, the idea of a rates

1531
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 2: cap with LGNZ. Ryan the Cavity Coast District Council wasted

1532
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: money on a very flash bus shelter with a roof.

1533
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: That roof, they had a garden on top of it. Complete,

1534
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 2: complete waste of money. Does seem odd place for a

1535
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: garden on top of a bus shelter. Bit they're infinite wisdom.

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: Who am I to question? In Canada, Mark Carney is

1537
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 2: going to the polls. Carney's calling a snappy. He had

1538
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: to because it's basically constitutional convention, so that is not surprising.

1539
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: He's going to the polls. Canadians will vote on April

1540
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: the twenty eighth. What is interesting is just how quickly

1541
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 2: this whole thing is turned around. He is now seriously

1542
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: seriously a contender for being re elected Prime minister. And

1543
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: he remember he is only there because Trudeau left, But

1544
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: the Canadians are seriously considering re electing the Liberals after

1545
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: three terms of Justin Trudeau, who was wildly unpopular by

1546
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: the end, same as everywhere, the voters wanted to punish

1547
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 2: the incumbent. They had the same cost of living problems

1548
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: that everywhere else had, same problems with their economy, in

1549
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: fact worse in some places. You know, they could have

1550
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 2: run a lamp post and they would have whoever the

1551
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: lamppost was would have beaten Trudeau. That is how bad

1552
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: it was. And now there's an election on April the

1553
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, and the Liberals and Karni are in with

1554
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: a really good chance. It's about fifty to fifty. And

1555
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: I think it's because they have someone else to hate

1556
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 2: and to hate even more than they hated Justin Trudeau.

1557
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 2: And that person is Donald Trump. You know, he is

1558
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: the what this is the lines that they're running. He's

1559
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: the existential threat to the country. He's going to make

1560
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: everything worse. Hate him, and people do, because when there's

1561
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis, when the economy is not

1562
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 2: looking good, you want to hate someone, you know what

1563
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: I mean, You want to blame someone. And they have

1564
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: very successfully as a political strategy, made a big bulls

1565
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: eye around Donald Trump and it's working. So the party

1566
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 2: that attacks Donald Trump the most wins and so far

1567
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 2: that is the Liberal Party. April twenty eight, we'll find

1568
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: out who won twenty eight minutes after six News Talks.

1569
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 2: They'd be the sin Lay story and the turnaround.

1570
01:22:51,320 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 3: Next where croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass Insurance

1572
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: and investments, Grew your wealth, Protect your future News Talks b.

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 2: N beaving. It is twenty four away from seven. You're

1574
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: on news Talks. There'd be lots of your texts coming

1575
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 2: and we'll get to those shortly. We'll also get to

1576
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, who's in the UK for us this evening

1577
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: before top of the Hour, and the Australian politician whose

1578
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: husband got involved in her campaign and the worst way imaginable.

1579
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: He'll have a lot of explaining to do. I'll tell

1580
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: you that story in a minute as well. Right now though,

1581
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: it is the story of Sindlay. The dairy company has

1582
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: shaken off its trouble from twenty twenty four and return

1583
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 2: to profitability four point eight million dollars. That is the

1584
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: profit it's posted for the first half of the year.

1585
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: That compares pretty favorably with the ninety six point two

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Speaker 2: million dollar loss the company posted last year. Tim Carter

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Speaker 2: is the acting CEO. He's with me now, High Tim,

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01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: Hey Ran, how are you good? Thank you? So it's

1589
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: been a very troubling time for you guys. This must

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: be a welcome result, albeit a modest one.

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01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 21: Yeah. Look, today is as really as a positive news

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01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 21: day for Cineley. We've announced the return to profitability in

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01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 21: the first half, as you've mentioned, and given the position

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01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 21: Sinley was in twelve months ago, this really is a

1595
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 21: considerable commercial achievement and something we're really proud of.

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01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: How did you do it?

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 21: Look a heck of a had a lot of hard

1598
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 21: works gone in but probably four key areas of focus.

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Speaker 21: Our advance nutrition demand has been really strong, which is

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Speaker 21: really pleasing. That's really helped i think a north on

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01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 21: An asset which has been a real drag on the

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01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 21: p and l over the years. We've we've started to

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01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 21: optimize that and although there's a long way to go,

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01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 21: that's certainly certainly reduced the losses. So that's certainly helped,

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01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 21: you know, training conditions across commodities globally. The lead bucket

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01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 21: that we talked about the skim and fat lead bucket

1607
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 21: that's there along with FX as has been the other driver,

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01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 21: and the fourth one is just proud and cost management.

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01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 21: You know, we're really focused on that era in our

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 21: business and making sure that they were optimizing spend and

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01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 21: optimizing our operation.

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01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 2: In particular, you mentioned the North Island asset drag. I'm

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01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 2: assuming you're faring to Pocono what's happening with it.

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01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 21: So look, you know, the big fix there, Ryan is

1615
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 21: all about volume and new customers, and so what we're

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01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 21: enough to do is really target that plant for advanced nutrition.

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01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 21: And what that's meant is we we've no longer taken

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Speaker 21: in raw milk into that facility. By doing that's allowed

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Speaker 21: us to reset our cost space and right size that.

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01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 21: What we've also done is through new customers, we've got

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01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 21: a little bit more volume through that plant, and so

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01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 21: that's certainly helping us. As I said, the real silver

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01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 21: bottlers get more volume through that plant, the efficiencies will

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01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 21: come and then we ideally we want to get that

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Speaker 21: into a positive contributing factory.

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01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it make sense to have it as a

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Speaker 2: non milk product factory.

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01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 21: Absolutely, you know, right now that is the right option

1630
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 21: for us. As I said, it stops the decline and

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01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 21: stops the losses or reduces them. So that is the

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01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 21: right decision. And look, we look at our customer based

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01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 21: on our new business development in particular, we bring that

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01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 21: in and through a funnel. And look, we have some

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01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 21: really good customers that we're qualifying right now that I

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01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 21: think in twenty twenty six if we can realize them and.

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: That demand, some of that volume will go through there.

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01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: So it absolutely makes sense. For now you've said and

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01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: you said it reduces the losses, not stops the losses.

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01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 2: So presuming it's still loss making, is it for sale?

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01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: Would you sell? Look like anything?

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01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 21: Right now we're not actively selling it, but sure if

1643
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 21: a credible offer, and would certainly recommend the board considerate.

1644
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 21: But you know, that's more of a hope strategy right now.

1645
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 21: As management, our job is to increase the demand, optimize

1646
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 21: the cost base, and get it back to profit.

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01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Now, let's talk about the suppliers. How many

1648
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: suppliers are still wanting to get out.

1649
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 21: Yeah, so I think what's interesting there our farmer progresses.

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01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 21: You know, go back six months ago, we probably had

1651
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 21: a milk crisis. Right now, we're in a really good

1652
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 21: position when we look at the twenty sixth season. You know,

1653
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 21: we have ample milk next year coming our way when

1654
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 21: we go to twenty seven and we can now say

1655
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 21: that we have a majority of our milk in the

1656
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 21: South Island no longer underseas, which is really promising. And

1657
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 21: we also have a lot of interest from new milk

1658
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 21: down here in the South Island, whether that's coming from

1659
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 21: existing farms with different processes or interesting enough conversions. There

1660
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 21: seems to be a few conversions in the pipeline down

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01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 21: here as well, and that really interested in our in

1662
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 21: our offer and what's something they can do for them. So,

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01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 21: you know, we're really confident we have momentum. What's really

1664
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 21: important for those farmers that that have that are still

1665
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 21: under cease was today's announcement. You know, the feedback has

1666
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 21: been that, you know, we just want to know that

1667
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 21: that you're doing well, you're back on track and is

1668
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 21: the future. So you know, this announcement today will certainly help.

1669
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 21: That will help give those farmers confidence and we're looking

1670
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 21: forward to the next week and seeing those cease ceases

1671
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 21: being pulled over the over that period, do you.

1672
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: That's what you're hoping will happen. Have you had any

1673
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: indication yet since announcing today's result that that will happen?

1674
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 21: Absolutely, And you know, every every hour, every day, Ryan,

1676
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 21: that number of changes in terms of what's coming in.

1677
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 21: So we are very confident in terms of those ceases.

1678
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 21: And remember we have a majority right now that is

1679
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 21: not under cease. It's about closing out the rest.

1680
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: Okay, And what about Donald Trump? Do you lie wake

1681
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,759
Speaker 2: at night worrying about him in his agricultural tariffs?

1682
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1683
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 21: Absolutely, I think you know there's so much unknown there, Ryan,

1684
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 21: but is you know what is going to happen around

1685
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 21: taris what does that mean globally? And then what does

1686
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 21: that mean for supply and demand? You know, everything from

1687
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 21: tariffman in US, probably even through the foot and mouth

1688
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 21: out of Europe and what does that mean? And if

1689
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 21: that spreads further, what can that do to milk flows

1690
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 21: in Europe? And then ultimately what does that do for

1691
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 21: supply globally? So those are all I think any book

1692
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 21: process in New Zealand right now, I was watching that.

1693
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 21: I think we're well placed to navigate that, but it

1694
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 21: is obviously an ongoing concern coming You.

1695
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 2: Know, this is first half obviously second half looking not well.

1696
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 2: Things aren't looking great for the full year. Would it

1697
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 2: be fair to say no?

1698
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 21: I don't think that's fair to say. I think what

1699
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 21: we're what we're trying to say here, Ryan is Look,

1700
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 21: the second half won't be quite as strong as the

1701
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 21: first half, but overall the EBITDA performance for the full

1702
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 21: year will be a significant improvement year on year, and

1703
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 21: I think that's really important.

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01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 2: You know, we do have some headwinds.

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01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 21: I talk about the milkstream returns. That's from a skim

1706
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 21: and fat lead bucket through to a whole book lead bucket,

1707
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 21: and so that just presents a few headed winds. But

1708
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 21: the key messages is the end of year is still

1709
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 21: looking really really promising. It just won't be as strong

1710
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 21: as the first stuff.

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01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: All right, Tim, Nice wrapping with you there. Tim Carter

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01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 2: acting simile CEO with us returning to profits seventeen away

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01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: from seven. You're on news talks there b We'll get

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01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 2: to Gavin Gray out of the UK next, whether.

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01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: It's macro, microbe or just playing economics. It's small on

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 2: It is a quarter to seven on news talks. There

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Speaker 2: be Gavin Gray in the UK in just a few seconds.

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Speaker 2: But an update for you, if for just joining us.

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Speaker 2: The government has announced today their replacement for the RMA.

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Speaker 2: It's two separate bills that they will and Cabinet has

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Speaker 2: decided on the shape the outline of them, the blueprint

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Speaker 2: if you will, of these bills. And that's what they

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Speaker 2: have announced today. So to our earlier texter, yes, it

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Speaker 2: is ethnically an announcement about an announcement, but I suppose

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Speaker 2: there is some detail and I'll give you some of

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Speaker 2: it now. A couple of the things that they're looking at.

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Speaker 2: Property rights, that is what the whole both of the

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Speaker 2: acts will be based on. Will include starting presumptions that

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Speaker 2: a land use is enabled unless there is a significant

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Speaker 2: enough impact on either the ability of others to use

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Speaker 2: their own land or on the natural environment. On the environment.

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Speaker 2: This is all they have said today about environmental limits.

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Speaker 2: A clearer legislative basis for setting environmental limits for our

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Speaker 2: natural environment will provide more certainty around where development can

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Speaker 2: and should be enabled whilst protecting the environment.

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Speaker 22: Do you think Royan, we need some sort of objective

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Speaker 22: measure of what as an announcement, Like for something to

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Speaker 22: be an announcement or not announcement of an announcement, they

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Speaker 22: need like a minimum number of words. And then we

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Speaker 22: can go through and take certain words out, like clear

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Speaker 22: legislative basis that don't really tell us anything, the nonsense

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Speaker 22: word Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry, Now those don't count to

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Speaker 22: your fifty words that we need from this for this

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Speaker 22: to be a real announcement.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thinkive it's not about the number of words

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Speaker 2: that are in a state. In fact, if anything, there

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Speaker 2: are more words in a statement, they're less meaningful, you know,

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Speaker 2: because obviously the person who's writing this doesn't know what

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Speaker 2: they're talking about or doesn't have anything to say. They

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Speaker 2: just know that it's Monday, postcams coming. Shit, we've got

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Speaker 2: to say something, you know.

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Speaker 22: It's just kind of filling time by saying not very

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Speaker 22: much at all, just because it's something we never do

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Speaker 22: on this show.

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Speaker 2: No, we would never do that. But there is one

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Speaker 2: part of the bill that at the very top where

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Speaker 2: they describe and it's one particular example which they give,

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Speaker 2: which is the only tangible thing really that you can

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Speaker 2: hold on to, which is if someone is going to

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Speaker 2: build an apartment block next to you. You can complain

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Speaker 2: and you can go to the RMA and you can

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Speaker 2: get your lawyers about where the balcony would be positioned

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Speaker 2: on that apartment block. Because it was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: if the balcony is facing my backyard, I don't want that,

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Speaker 2: because you know it should face somewhere else. I'll hear

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Speaker 2: people talking, well, that will be gone under this new legislation.

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Speaker 2: There will be no ability or no recourse to worry

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Speaker 2: about your neighbor's balconies. Twelve away from seven Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Gray's in the UK for US tonight. Hi, Gevin,

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Speaker 2: morning round. Good to have you on.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: Tens of thousands of protesters are marching across Turkey. This

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Speaker 2: is about the Duan arresting the rival or potential political rival.

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Speaker 10: What's the latest there, Yeah, so a very very big

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Speaker 10: protests overnight they're having So far in the last three

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Speaker 10: nights now been more than seven hundred arrests. And this

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Speaker 10: really ramped up yesterday with some of the worst unrest

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Speaker 10: the country seen in over a decade. Police used tear gas,

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Speaker 10: rubber bullets, water cannons, and pepper spray at protesters rallies

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Speaker 10: took place in at least fifty five of Turkey's eighty

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Speaker 10: one provinces, more than two thirds of the country. And

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Speaker 10: all this is about the detention of Ekrum Immomolu. He

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Speaker 10: is the mayor of istan Bull and was due to

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Speaker 10: be selected as the Republican People Party's twenty twenty eighth

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Speaker 10: presidential nominee. The current president, Rejiptaia Birdawe, has been in

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Speaker 10: power twenty two years and his critics say he's desperate

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Speaker 10: to cling on to it whatever is necessary. So just

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Speaker 10: on the day or a couple of days before the

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Speaker 10: Mayor of Istanbul was due to stand as the presidential

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Speaker 10: nominee candidate or be selected, he was arrested. He's now

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Speaker 10: been charged as well, formally charged with quote, establishing and

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Speaker 10: managing a criminal organization, bribes, extortion, unlawful recording of personal data,

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Speaker 10: and has remained in custody. And of course that would

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Speaker 10: suggest he will find it very difficult to run. And

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Speaker 10: now we learn as well that the University of istan

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Speaker 10: Bull is revoking his degree. Why does that matter, well,

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Speaker 10: because if it is all presidents must have completed higher

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Speaker 10: education to hold office, and if he didn't complete it,

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Speaker 10: then he won't be allowed to hold office, So yet

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Speaker 10: another attempt I think to stop him gaining power.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting, now, this Heathrow fire. When we spoke on

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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon Friday morning your time, I assumed it would

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Speaker 2: have been the smoke and the giant flames that were

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Speaker 2: stopping the planes. Was it actually something to do with

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Speaker 2: the substations? What's the story with this?

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Speaker 10: Well, we've now discovered and this has come out as

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Speaker 10: they're starting to investigate what happened. Then electricity to Heathrow

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Speaker 10: was still available for using other substations. However, it's revealed

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Speaker 10: that that was not considered to be an option because

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Speaker 10: it would have taken so long to close everything down,

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Speaker 10: restart it and test it, which the boss of Heathrow

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Speaker 10: described as an enormous operational complex requiring a significant challenge.

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Speaker 10: So they decided just to shut the airport, affecting almost

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Speaker 10: a quarter of a million travelers, it's been estimated. Now

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Speaker 10: this change of tack from there's been a fire, we've

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Speaker 10: got no electricity sort of tag has been quite startling

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Speaker 10: to lots of people who've been stranded around the world.

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Speaker 10: And I think now we've got two investigations underway about

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Speaker 10: what happened. One that the government is organizing, another one

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Speaker 10: that heather Airport is organizing. And there are lots of

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Speaker 10: calls for the boss of Heathrow to resign, saying he

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Speaker 10: made the wrong decision. At the very least hethro should

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Speaker 10: have tried to shut down and restart, even if that

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Speaker 10: delayed flights considerably. But Heathrow operates at almost ninety five

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Speaker 10: ninety six percent capacity the moment something goes wrong, it's

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Speaker 10: a house of cards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And wonder what it will mean for Rechel

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Speaker 2: Ruth's planes to expand the thing even bigger. Not looking good. No, givin,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Givin UK and you're a correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Eight to seven News Talks VB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather tops Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: News Talks VB. It is coming up to six away

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Speaker 2: from seven. Just after five this evening, Karen Shaw, who's

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Speaker 2: the Children's Minister, told us that she thinks so what

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Speaker 2: happened was ordering A Tamadiki gives the details of a

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Speaker 2: woman to her ex partner. This is the address of

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Speaker 2: the woman to her ex partner. Who had previously assaulted her.

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Speaker 2: This individual then assaults her again after the details are

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Speaker 2: handed over. The Minister told us this evening she thinks

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Speaker 2: this was done deliberately and she's going to investigate that

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Speaker 2: because a screenshop from an ot staff member was shown

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Speaker 2: to the X to the man to the ex partner,

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Speaker 2: So why else would you do that. She's going to

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Speaker 2: be looking into that. Quite a serious case and quite

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Speaker 2: a serious allegation to be made on the show this evening,

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Speaker 2: five away from seven. That is it for us for tonight?

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Speaker 2: And what have we gone out to?

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Speaker 22: Going out to some jua lipa and it's a special

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Speaker 22: treat as well tonight. Actually, she has been playing her

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Speaker 22: shows in Australia and a little gimmick that she's doing

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Speaker 22: on her tour is that she will do a cover

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Speaker 22: of a song that was made by someone from the

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Speaker 22: country that she's in. So she's been covering various Australian

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Speaker 22: songs and then the special treat for the Melbourne show

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Speaker 22: is she went to cover a Troy Sevanne song and

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Speaker 22: then didn't sing it because she then revealed that Troy

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Speaker 22: Savann was on stage with her and he sang the

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Speaker 22: song and They then followed up after that by revealing

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Speaker 22: that the song that she released in twenty twenty Physical,

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Speaker 22: her and Troy Savan recorded a remix of it together

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Speaker 22: back then, but it just never got released. And she

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Speaker 22: then held up a USB drive saying, hey, I've got

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Speaker 22: the song here on this USB drive. Does someone in

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Speaker 22: the crowd want to leak it please, and then handed

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Speaker 22: it over to this member of the audience and now suddenly,

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Speaker 22: here we have on the internet a brand new remix

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Speaker 22: of Physical featuring both Jualipa and Troy Savan. She's playing

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Speaker 22: in Auckland on the second and the fourth of April.

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Speaker 22: I mean, I realize it's Melbourne, so she's going to

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Speaker 22: be having all the tricks over there. She might have

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Speaker 22: some very clever things in store for her shows.

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Speaker 2: You're right, how many USB sticks? Does do a leaper?

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Speaker 2: Heb up her sleeves and what that was and what

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Speaker 2: we saw was she going to cover?

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Speaker 22: Is she going to do Bliss?

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Speaker 2: Hope not? Thanks Thanks for all your ticks and feedback

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Speaker 2: to unt of them tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Co for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live

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