Speaker 1: Dinna Koto and marste Alter and welcome to the BYC Podcast,
Speaker 1: coming to you from the Export Beer Garden studio in
Speaker 1: the midst of a week dominated by Indian winds, Indians,
Speaker 1: Indian flags and Indian helpable relief. This week we reflect
Speaker 1: on the T twenty World Cup Dani Mom and what
Speaker 1: it all really means. We gloss over to annihilations of
Speaker 1: the white Ferns. We dig into some correspondence from our
Speaker 1: legendary listeners and wash it all down with some cricket
Speaker 1: violence juice from Pakistani I'm Paul Ford, godfather of the
Speaker 1: Beige Brigade. I'm joined by Master of the New Zealand
Speaker 1: Cricket Scoop, Dylan Cleaver, our pleasy DNDE of the Substack
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Speaker 1: Did you bust out your green, orange and white face
Speaker 1: paint and body paint this week?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: Actually, it was a really niggli time to watch it,
Speaker 3: and I've got a confession. I did watch the match
Speaker 3: in full, but unfortunately I already knew the result before
Speaker 3: I watched the end of it, but I still found
Speaker 3: myself weirdly excited because I didn't actually I didn't realize
Speaker 3: the permutations that got us to that Indian victory. And
Speaker 3: really how I think we'll address this a little bit later,
Speaker 3: but how South Africa were knocking on the door of
Speaker 3: history and it was unlocked, yet they couldn't find a
Speaker 3: way through.
Speaker 1: Yes, for the three people in the whole cricket and
Speaker 1: universe that don't know what happened. Of course, India a
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy six for seven off their twenty others,
Speaker 1: the rat Rat Holy finding some form seventy six off
Speaker 1: fifty nine balls in the miracle, man akshar Ptel with
Speaker 1: forty seven off thirty one, and Nortie and Kishev Maharaj
Speaker 1: the pick of the bowlers. And then the South African
Speaker 1: chase which looks so bad, then so good and then
Speaker 1: ultimately failed, one sixty nine for eight off their twenty overs.
Speaker 1: Massive innings from Heinrich class and the Basher Quintin de
Speaker 1: Kock was superb. David Millard did some good things, and
Speaker 1: it was Hardik Pandia with the most wickets, but it
Speaker 1: was Jasper, yes, but Boomra that man, that miracle man again,
Speaker 1: who was a real factor in that final. Dylan. I
Speaker 1: thought it was an excellent final, actually played on one
Speaker 1: of the best pitchers in the tournament, and definitely between
Speaker 1: the two best teams. Of course, they both went into
Speaker 1: the match unbeaten, having won eight matches in a row.
Speaker 1: There were some foi balls and some bullshit in the format.
Speaker 1: You know, there was some shenanigans I think around how
Speaker 1: it all came together, but we can't really argue with
Speaker 1: what the final that was produced.
Speaker 2: I thought it was excellent.
Speaker 3: You had two teams that are clearly committed to the
Speaker 3: T twenty, and you can see that by their domestic competitions,
Speaker 3: which are throwing a lot of money, a lot of resource,
Speaker 3: a lot of time at two best teams of the
Speaker 3: tournament are traditional cricket venue in a town or a
Speaker 3: city that breathes cricket and has just such great lineage
Speaker 3: of world class players, possibly.
Speaker 2: The greatest of them all.
Speaker 3: And Gary Sobers and so everything about it felt right.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was just a.
Speaker 3: Really good game of cricket. Verat Poly in his last
Speaker 3: T twenty, I know it goes out a winner goes
Speaker 3: out with.
Speaker 2: Some class I didn't actually realize.
Speaker 3: Did you realize what a drought it had been for
Speaker 3: India at ICC tournaments? I just kind of assume that
Speaker 3: they win these kind of things all the time, but
Speaker 3: it was it actually been got to a point where
Speaker 3: there was some real anxiety on the subcontinent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I expected to win. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much overwhelming coverage about them,
Speaker 1: particularly when these tournaments roll around, right, But I think
Speaker 1: it's a thirteen year drought, isn't it. They've lost the
Speaker 1: most recently the fifty over final at home, where literally
Speaker 1: the entire Indian state expected them to win, and of
Speaker 1: course multiple World Test Championship finals. They're always I mean,
Speaker 1: they were a sensational team, but as you say that,
Speaker 1: the pressure continued to build and certainly over the last
Speaker 1: thirteen years they had not managed to deliver.
Speaker 3: Yes, the twenty eleven World Cup I think was the
Speaker 3: last one, and yeah, there was certainly a lot of
Speaker 3: fretting going along. As you mentioned that South Africa started poorly,
Speaker 3: but let's be honest here they got themselves into a
Speaker 3: precision position one hundred and fifty one four after sixteen overs.
Speaker 3: That is a Doddle twenty six of twenty four with
Speaker 3: two set players, not just two set players, but Klassen
Speaker 3: and Miller, who were t twenty.
Speaker 2: Gods with the bat. How did they lose from there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. I mean, obviously it would be
Speaker 1: very easy to just say they choked, but you did.
Speaker 1: When you're watching the game, you did always feel because
Speaker 1: it was real that the joker in the pack was
Speaker 1: still those two overs that Boomra had up his sleeve,
Speaker 1: and you knew that if he could come out and
Speaker 1: wreck and havoc that South Africa and Tail even sort
Speaker 1: of that lower order good players. But it did feel
Speaker 1: like some of those guys are batting maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit higher than you'd ideally want them to do really
Speaker 1: kind of so Evrica very reliant on their their top
Speaker 1: five really, and after that, you know, with Maharaj and
Speaker 1: Yansen coming in, it did feel like they were you
Speaker 1: didn't want to see them just quite that early, to
Speaker 1: be honest. And so yeah, look, I'm reluctant to call
Speaker 1: it a choke, you know, I think it was a
Speaker 1: it was just a boomrai actually, And you know, as
Speaker 1: you say, they were in trouble early and they were
Speaker 1: actually in trouble sort of reasonably late as well. It
Speaker 1: was really that not from class in that twenty seven
Speaker 1: ball fifty two, but yes you did think as well
Speaker 1: twenty six off twenty four they should be okay, a
Speaker 1: very well timed injury break. I'm not reading anything into it.
Speaker 1: Was literally just a momentum breaker from Richard punt and
Speaker 1: then when they came back Class and of course just
Speaker 1: gave us wicked away. Just you can't criticize in those
Speaker 1: blazing at everything, very unlikely that he was going to
Speaker 1: come out and just knock it around ones and twos,
Speaker 1: which is kind of what the situation. That's all the
Speaker 1: situation needed.
Speaker 3: Frustratingly, Yeah, well that's exactly right. I mean, boomra bowl.
Speaker 3: That's seventeenth over and I'm sitting there watching it, admittedly
Speaker 3: already knowing the result, saying just get your six singles.
Speaker 3: You can do all the damage at the other end. Instead,
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, Class gave his wicked away. You're dead right,
Speaker 3: Marco Jensen. Yensen, batting at least one position too high
Speaker 3: at number seven, comes out and tries to block, tries
Speaker 3: to play a traditional cricket for defense, and gets his
Speaker 3: Poles knocked it and from that moment on you could
Speaker 3: feel the tremors in the South Africa and dug out
Speaker 3: and I just had well.
Speaker 2: I didn't have the feeling. I knew it.
Speaker 3: I knew they were going to fall short, but you
Speaker 3: could almost sense that hope fading away. Each person that
Speaker 3: came to the wicket was a little less confident than
Speaker 3: the last one.
Speaker 2: And yeah, in the end, in the end, the best
Speaker 2: team one.
Speaker 3: And in some ways it was hard to gauge that
Speaker 3: earlier in this tournament because some of the conditions they
Speaker 3: played on were it was such a lottery because the
Speaker 3: format possibly needs to be ironed out ahead of the
Speaker 3: next one. But in the end, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: the best team won and we was waving goodbye to
Speaker 3: a few t twenty legends after this World Cup, like
Speaker 3: came Williamson, Ravi Jadasa who was just a non factor
Speaker 3: brit India in this tournament, row At Sharma and Verat
Speaker 3: Kohley who had a dreadful tournament until went. It really
Speaker 3: really made a motion.
Speaker 1: That's right, what I think seventy five He had seventy
Speaker 1: five runs in the tournament. That's across eight games. I
Speaker 1: can't I be bad at eight times, but let's just
Speaker 1: say roughly, and then scored seventy six in the final,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he was superban and went through the gears.
Speaker 1: I did love. Of course. There was lots of talking
Speaker 1: we've touched on this about the joy and the palpable
Speaker 1: relief and also the redemption arc of India. And I
Speaker 1: saw a couple of reporters sort of pretty obvious to
Speaker 1: acknowledge a redemption song by Bob Marley, of course, and
Speaker 1: Bob Marley Country over there. But you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure that we can. It's probably drawing quite a
Speaker 1: long bow to say that this Cricket World Cup was
Speaker 1: the story about a team that had been abducted into
Speaker 1: slavery fighting for their physical and mental freedom. I just
Speaker 1: feel like that might be a little bit kind of
Speaker 1: gilding the lily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they didn't play a Jamaica reve which is
Speaker 3: actually Bob Marley's hometown.
Speaker 1: Totally totally good luck. If you were traveling from anywhere
Speaker 1: trying to get to that game apparently was absolutely apocalyptic.
Speaker 1: If you were a journalist who was not part of
Speaker 1: the TV commentary crew, if you were a person who
Speaker 1: was not a player, or an umpire apparently, just the
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous situation where you traveled for ten hours in
Speaker 1: what is a direct one hour flight from a couple
Speaker 1: of the semi final venues. I know the English media
Speaker 1: were absolutely raging, not that they were there, so they
Speaker 1: didn't need to worry too much. Yeah, you mentioned DC
Speaker 1: those delivery, the delivery to to Marko Jensen, and there
Speaker 1: was another sensational delivery to Resa Hendrix, who has had
Speaker 1: a pretty difficult tournament, felt like a bit of a
Speaker 1: walking wicket, and boom used up one of his best
Speaker 1: deliveries on caustling him. I saw Kracken vocal Boomra and
Speaker 1: I really related to this. When I was watching those
Speaker 1: last the sort of last chapter of that game. They
Speaker 1: said Boomra is like phone. He is like the phone
Speaker 1: a friend and who wants to be a millionaire. He's
Speaker 1: like your lifeline. You know he's going to do something
Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of when you're going to
Speaker 1: play that card. I mean, that's a pretty extraordinary position
Speaker 1: for a for a player to be in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is that good, isn't he. I
Speaker 3: actually might assigned one of those previous wickets to him. Incorrectly.
Speaker 3: Pandia was also pretty good at the end as well,
Speaker 3: and he had been the kind of fragile link in
Speaker 3: that Indian bowling line up up till then as well.
Speaker 3: He was kind of the one that opposition of targeted.
Speaker 3: But Boomra really is that good? And of course we
Speaker 3: can't leave this final without touching on what was either
Speaker 3: a sensational boundary catch and emblematic of where the modern
Speaker 3: game has got to in terms of outfielding.
Speaker 2: Or a little bit controversial. Where do you stand on
Speaker 2: this pool?
Speaker 3: Do you stand on the boundary rope or do you
Speaker 3: stand just inside it?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I'm arguing with the Almighty on
Speaker 1: this one because I saw that Sakyadev said that it
Speaker 1: was God's plan for him to take that catch, So
Speaker 1: I waited. I do go into this discussion with some trepidation,
Speaker 1: but look his dancing feet in the deep. They've talked
Speaker 1: about taking one of the most important catches in Indian
Speaker 1: cricket history. Look it was that. Where did I sit
Speaker 1: on it? I'm happy with it, to be honest. I
Speaker 1: think I've got the rule book out. The playing conditions
Speaker 1: for this tournament said that it's the cushion, not a
Speaker 1: white line, which is the boundary. Literally, Section nineteen point
Speaker 1: three says if a solid object used to mark the
Speaker 1: boundary is disturbed for any reason, then the boundary shall
Speaker 1: be considered to be in its original position. So look,
Speaker 1: I just think I don't think that he touched the
Speaker 1: tobler owne Yes, his foot was over the sort of
Speaker 1: pre marked white line. I understand that it was to
Speaker 1: do with where the pitch wills, and it was there
Speaker 1: the whole game. And I don't know did a South
Speaker 1: African player did Arik not? Yeah, when he thundered into
Speaker 1: the fence early on in the match, did he did
Speaker 1: he move it and it didn't get moved back into place?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure? But either way, look, I think I'm
Speaker 1: I like the controversy because I think it's just part
Speaker 1: of the game and it's great that there's these stories
Speaker 1: and narratives and there's some great little AI videos that
Speaker 1: make it look more dubious and so on. But from
Speaker 1: my point of view, fear and Square I thought it was.
Speaker 1: And you know, my heart went out to David Miller. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of time for him, and yeah,
Speaker 1: well where did you Where did you find it. It
Speaker 1: was it God's plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it was God's plan. I
Speaker 3: don't know if he should bring Vishnu or receiver or
Speaker 3: I'm not sure which one governs boundary catches. But I
Speaker 3: always like every time I get something over that, now,
Speaker 3: my mind immediately cast back to Law's twenty nineteen and
Speaker 3: Trent Bolt, And again it was just my immediate thought,
Speaker 3: and I try to banish it. I was trying to
Speaker 3: get out, Damn thought get out, but I couldn't. I'm
Speaker 3: just thinking throw it into capital. But no, I think
Speaker 3: it's I think it was fine. Yeah, it would be
Speaker 3: really weird to try and explain it to an American
Speaker 3: who might have just been into this, getting into cricket
Speaker 3: and watching this tournament if that had been ruled not
Speaker 3: out because his foot clipped the freestanding white line when
Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, you know, the Tobla owns
Speaker 3: the boundary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are. I mean I think maybe
Speaker 1: there's different playing conditions and sometimes it is the line
Speaker 1: and et cetera. But yeah, look, it just seemed fair
Speaker 1: and square. It was also one of those moments in
Speaker 1: the game where you go that is a screamer of
Speaker 1: a catch if the match turns on that, you know
Speaker 1: fair enough? Actually yeah, and I know, of course I
Speaker 1: know David Miller was not sitting in the dug out.
Speaker 1: He certainly did not start returning to the dugout till
Speaker 1: he'd watched it about a hundred times and then dragged
Speaker 1: his bat and dragged his sorry us back to the
Speaker 1: South African dugout. And as I say, I did feel
Speaker 1: really sorry for him. He's one of those guys I've followed.
Speaker 1: I think I've talked about it before. He wasn't playing
Speaker 1: or we ended up having a couple of drinks at
Speaker 1: a Barrack mount More just not just me and having
Speaker 1: the whole bunch of people. And he was a real
Speaker 1: good bugger. He told some great yarns about Danie Vittori
Speaker 1: and Jesse Ryder and ipl times and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He's thirty five years old, of course, famously has never
Speaker 1: played Test cricket. Retired from first class cricket twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: He's played two hundred and ninety eight international matches and
Speaker 1: zero Test matches, despite having an average of thirty six
Speaker 1: and six tons in first class cricket I mean, and
Speaker 1: you know, an archetypal just if you were making a
Speaker 1: T twenty cricketer. He is the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: he plays an incredible fielder. I don't know if he bowls.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he probably doesn't. You know that he does
Speaker 1: famously famous quote which was from his old man. And
Speaker 1: he's been playing cricket like this his whole life. If
Speaker 1: it's in the arc, it's out in the park, if
Speaker 1: it's in the v it's in the tree. And I
Speaker 1: just think, you know, if our dads had given us
Speaker 1: that kind of advice, we would be probably much better
Speaker 1: cricketers than what we were trying to do out there
Speaker 1: DC noirdling it around and so on, you know. And
Speaker 1: I felt really sorry for Miller. He was in tears
Speaker 1: at the end. I think he felt like, you know, well,
Speaker 1: obviously he was probably one foot away from pulling off
Speaker 1: what would have been a sensational victory for South Africa.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned this before, or he was facing hard
Speaker 1: at Pandia. It was a low full toss. He smoked it.
Speaker 1: Maybe he you know, wasn't He wasn't one of the
Speaker 1: class and ones that were sort of landing on the
Speaker 1: solar panels on the roof of the grandstand. But jeez,
Speaker 1: he got a lot of it. And I thought when
Speaker 1: Pandi was bowling that last those you know, in those
Speaker 1: final overs, he's there for the taking. This guy he's
Speaker 1: not going to be able to step up to it.
Speaker 1: But credit to him he did.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other sensational piece of cracket I just wanted
Speaker 1: to touch on this before we go, was that runout. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, a Chapatel, how good is a floating
Speaker 1: number eight who comes up and just looks sensational forty
Speaker 1: seven or thirty one resurrected the Indian innings. But the
Speaker 1: runout run him being run out by Quintin da Kock
Speaker 1: from the wicket keeper's end he was at the non
Speaker 1: strikers in was one of the greatest pieces of cricket.
Speaker 1: Absolutely superb presence of mind from Quintin to Cock. Has
Speaker 1: he retired? Is he retiring as well? I feel like
Speaker 1: it's the last hurrah for him as well.
Speaker 3: I kind of felt like this if he is retiring,
Speaker 3: it kind of feels like this is a a third
Speaker 3: or fourth retirement. It feels like he's stepped aside from
Speaker 3: a lot of things. But then I recognize it remembered
Speaker 3: that one of them was actually just refusing to play
Speaker 3: after refusing to kneel at the World T twenty in
Speaker 3: the UAE. So I think I mistook that for a
Speaker 3: retirement because I was half surprised to see him here
Speaker 3: at the the st of the tournament next year. So
Speaker 3: haven't you given the international game away? But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a sensational piece of cricket by to Cook and
Speaker 3: a slightly lazy piece of cricket from the otherwise brilliant
Speaker 3: Exha Patel.
Speaker 1: I think he was just tired. DC. He doesn't normally
Speaker 1: back for thirty one deliveries. He certainly doesn't normally get
Speaker 1: forty seven. Jesus is a handy, very handy player. Hey,
Speaker 1: we should take away break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: let's have a quick yarn about what this whole messy, interesting, fascinating,
Speaker 1: intriguing T twenty World Cup means for cricket. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the BYC with Dylan Clever and Paul Ford, where
Speaker 1: going over the entrails of the Cricket World Cup. We
Speaker 1: hardly even really talking about the Black Caps, to be honest.
Speaker 1: But Dylan, when you reflect on this tea twenty World Cup.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty lofty question. But what do
Speaker 1: you think it all means? What's its legacy? Did it
Speaker 1: do what it was meant to do? What kind of
Speaker 1: things stick in your mind?
Speaker 3: Actually, it just felt a little bit messy. Partly that
Speaker 3: was weather, Partly that was underprepared venues. Partly it is format.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the group to Super eight to
Speaker 3: semis to Final works. It just feels like it could
Speaker 3: be cleaner. I know that you get less content if
Speaker 3: you go straight into the knockouts from from group play,
Speaker 3: and I mean content is king right, But I thought
Speaker 3: I thought it mostly did it strive?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: And you've said here we've learned how to use the
Speaker 3: word diaspora. Well, I've actually learned how to say it
Speaker 3: because I kept on that I would always call it diaspora,
Speaker 3: I think. But I went and had a online tutory
Speaker 3: and the emphasis is on the s, it's on the
Speaker 3: second syllable, So it's diaspora is how you say it.
Speaker 1: Did get a real workout during this tournament, didn't it?
Speaker 1: Because everyone was kind of like, well, Americans aren't gonna
Speaker 1: watch it, and then everyone's like, well no, but diespera
Speaker 1: the diaspora will watch it. Yeah, that was definitely one.
Speaker 1: But it did feel it felt a bit Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was the I mentioned the travel thing before,
Speaker 1: and I know there were probably good reasons for some
Speaker 1: of this, but it did feel like things are slightly
Speaker 1: tilted in favor of a risk in terms of that
Speaker 1: New York ground b just things just making it a
Speaker 1: bit easier for India. It did feel like it wasn't
Speaker 1: quite an even playing field literally and metaphorically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Mickey Mouse reference works well in Mickey
Speaker 3: Mouse's second home, which of course is Florida, where they
Speaker 3: had four matches scheduled and unfortunately they got just one
Speaker 3: of the men and that was a real blow I
Speaker 3: think for the organizers. I think the shocking state of
Speaker 3: the pitch in.
Speaker 2: New York was clearly a blow.
Speaker 3: But they still got cricket there at least, and they
Speaker 3: still got some actually quite exciting games, not the kind
Speaker 3: of games you would expect at a Teach twenty betting extravaganza,
Speaker 3: but they were still games of cricket that came down
Speaker 3: to the wire in some cases.
Speaker 2: But Trinidad was an excuseable.
Speaker 3: You're one of the great venues of the world there
Speaker 3: in Queen's Park Oval and yet we play on this
Speaker 3: brand new venual. Might not be brand new, but it's
Speaker 3: new enough. And it was just it was poor cricket.
Speaker 3: There's no other word to describe it. I didn't think
Speaker 3: the cricket in Diana was great, but it was serviceable.
Speaker 3: And I think one of the bonuses for the organizers
Speaker 3: was the US playing pretty well. You know, they were
Speaker 3: at class once they got to that Super eight stage,
Speaker 3: but there was joy unconfined with the way they went
Speaker 3: through the group stage. That was fantastic. An Jones belting
Speaker 3: untold sixes and ticks and heartland.
Speaker 2: It was great. So I would say, what would I
Speaker 2: give it. I'd probably give it a flat B.
Speaker 1: Like I sort of a seven out of ten? Is
Speaker 1: that where you going with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably six point five seven out of ten. I
Speaker 3: don't give half max, so yeah, i'd have to give
Speaker 3: the seven out of ten.
Speaker 2: Myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I mean I think you touched on a
Speaker 1: couple of things that that when I when I reflect
Speaker 1: on this tournament, it's that, you know, T twenty is
Speaker 1: a monster, and I know it's a cliche that twenty
Speaker 1: overs just brings teams into it that would not be
Speaker 1: able to survive in battle in a full blowing dual
Speaker 1: over fifty overs at alone test cricket, Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think they would anyway, and I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: saw that with the United States of America. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, probably their players are a little bit distracted
Speaker 1: by the fact that they're having to answer their emails.
Speaker 1: They went into the Super Eights because they ran out
Speaker 1: of annual leave and so they were just having to
Speaker 1: sort of work around around the clock on both fronts,
Speaker 1: you know. But that rise of the second tier great,
Speaker 1: always great when the host nation does well, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm really on board with with what happened there,
Speaker 1: although it was probably you know, not great for Pakistan
Speaker 1: obviously or New Zealand, and you know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: go past Afghanistan. We touched on this last week. There
Speaker 1: was also some comments this week about how their travel
Speaker 1: arrangements for the to get from the end of the
Speaker 1: Super Eights into their semi final. You know, they were
Speaker 1: back at the hotel at three am, and then they
Speaker 1: were traveling to the next venue at eight am and
Speaker 1: playing the day after that. You know, it's pretty that's
Speaker 1: pretty tough and as I say, feels like some of
Speaker 1: the bigger teams. One in particular, I had a much
Speaker 1: more of an armchair ride on that front. The other
Speaker 1: interesting thing, just as an aside, I saw just before
Speaker 1: we came on here, that there's been an entreaty from
Speaker 1: at the Afghanistan women's team, who are unofficial, that they
Speaker 1: have asked that the ICC assist them and setting up
Speaker 1: a refugee team based in Australia in the absence of
Speaker 1: a national side. Of course, woman aren't able to play
Speaker 1: because of the Teliban horrific regulations, So an interesting little
Speaker 1: conundrum there for icy c chair and all around good
Speaker 1: bugger Greg Bark later to assess, that's a pretty tangled
Speaker 1: web that's being woven there. I'd suggest for the icy
Speaker 1: seed or wade into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, PEPs.
Speaker 3: It's a chance for him to get back on the
Speaker 3: front foot after this issue, because he is a terrific
Speaker 3: bloke and he does a great job.
Speaker 2: But the one, the one.
Speaker 3: Perhaps misstep in his role was when he described the
Speaker 3: taliband's grip on the woman's game there as a blip.
Speaker 2: I think when.
Speaker 4: You described it, immediately regretted it, and there was clearly
Speaker 4: not the context he meanted there, but he was hauled
Speaker 4: over the Cole's way.
Speaker 2: The international well, yeah, mainly Twitter, and I.
Speaker 1: Think he meant vice like grip not blip, but yeah,
Speaker 1: close close. I mean the other thing that caught my
Speaker 1: eye is really, you know, there was a mix. I
Speaker 1: guess you've seen it with India. In the Indian case,
Speaker 1: experienced players are kind of the their rock stars and
Speaker 1: were probably the reason that they did so well. In
Speaker 1: other cases, teams rolled the dice, took a bunch of
Speaker 1: experienced players and came up short. England made the semi finals,
Speaker 1: probably on reflection a pretty bloody good effort. Australia of
Speaker 1: course not making it through. New Zealand obviously not making
Speaker 1: it through. It does feel like there is a real
Speaker 1: changing of the guard that's happening amongst international cricket. And
Speaker 1: to make that point, it's pretty extraordinary. I heard getting
Speaker 1: in Haigues say how Sahinton Dohalka played one T twenty
Speaker 1: international and Rat Cooley and Rowert Shama have played what
Speaker 1: two hundred or whatever? It has had a quick lock
Speaker 1: From a New Zealand perspective, it's just remarkable to think
Speaker 1: about this. Chris Ken's played two T twenty internationals and
Speaker 1: scored three runs. Nathan Nashtell played four, Stephen Fleming played five,
Speaker 1: and Craig McMillan played eight. Tim Soudy one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty six not out, goup To one hundred and twenty two.
Speaker 1: Is so one hundred and seventeen not out, Mitchell Satner
Speaker 1: one hundred and four not out. Generational shift in how
Speaker 1: the game is played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I know that Chris Ken's won in particularly.
Speaker 3: I mean, if there was a format he was born for,
Speaker 3: it was probably T twenty right, So.
Speaker 1: Wearing David Miller's T shirt in the tree, I'd suggest.
Speaker 3: Mind if you go back, if you go back a
Speaker 3: couple of generations before that, you can do the same
Speaker 3: exercise with the event of one day cricket where it
Speaker 3: came in sort of the late seventies early eighties, and
Speaker 3: you look back at some of the New Zealand players,
Speaker 3: I mean Ken Wadsworth, who obviously passed away back to
Speaker 3: you young, but he was one that was identified as
Speaker 3: someone who would have been a traffic one day player
Speaker 3: never got the chance.
Speaker 1: Yea, that's exactly right. And yeah, and then the other
Speaker 1: thing we just touched on this before, but I did
Speaker 1: have a quick block and the T twenty Cricket will
Speaker 1: Cup in Sri Lanka and India is February and March
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, so just shy of two years away.
Speaker 1: The twenty teams will be divided into four groups of five.
Speaker 1: The top two teams in each group will advance to
Speaker 1: the Super eight, so brace yourself India and Sri Lanka,
Speaker 1: who are pretty lucky. Qualifiers hosts Australia, England, South Africa,
Speaker 1: Western Is, USA, Bangaledesh and in Afghanistan are in because they
Speaker 1: made the Super eights and then the three least worst
Speaker 1: in the rankings after that lot so New Zealander threw
Speaker 1: as a Pakistan in Ireland and there's eight spots to
Speaker 1: be decided via the regional qualifiers. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned this before. India, no Judasia, no Koali, no Shama,
Speaker 1: New Zealand obviously no Bolt and probably a host of others.
Speaker 1: And there's lots of speculation that Australia won't have the
Speaker 1: likes of Warner's gone, but also Max will wag Stark,
Speaker 1: those kind of guys very likely to be not on
Speaker 1: the scrap pep but sort of easing their way out
Speaker 1: of T twenty International Cricket, possibly against their will. DC.
Speaker 1: Let's packet there if you didn't have anything more to
Speaker 1: throw at that throw at the wall on that particular topic.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, will WinCE and never look
Speaker 1: at the White Fans. Welcome back to the BBC Podcast.
Speaker 1: It's Paul Ford and Dylan Pleaver coming to you from
Speaker 1: the Export Beer Garden Studio DYCA. The White Ferns are
Speaker 1: pretty tough start to their tour of England. A couple
Speaker 1: of drubbings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, losing to England's not surprising, but Jeep
Speaker 3: has won a mess just awful. I'll just quickly run
Speaker 3: through the short score cads because it won't take long.
Speaker 3: In the first game at Chesla Street, New Zealand bettered
Speaker 3: first posted one five six England in reply one five
Speaker 3: seven for one and just twenty one point two overs.
Speaker 3: Moving down the road to Worcester for game two, New
Speaker 3: Zealand a game, betting first, posting one for one England
Speaker 3: in reply one four to two for two in just
Speaker 3: twenty four point three overs. Yep, you heard that right.
Speaker 3: The White Ferns have scored sub one sixty in both
Speaker 3: games have taken a sum total of three England wickets.
Speaker 2: And one of them was a runout.
Speaker 3: Look, there's losing to England, and I think everybody that's
Speaker 3: listened to the BYC, anyone that follows cricket with any
Speaker 3: kind of close lens on the game, on all formats
Speaker 3: of the game, will recognize that New Zealand has slipped
Speaker 3: a long way behind Australia, England, probably India now. But
Speaker 3: there's losing and then there's absolutely not showing up on
Speaker 3: what is a pretty high profile tour for them.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I saw it seventeen years I think
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Indian injury out. Seventeen years since
Speaker 1: New Zealand beat England in a woman's ODI series And
Speaker 1: as you say, doesn't feel like, well this series gone already,
Speaker 1: but hard to think of one that would be more
Speaker 1: lopsided than that. It does feel like we're playing fifty
Speaker 1: over cricket from the eighties and England are playing IPLT
Speaker 1: twenty cricket. Yeah, really really tough going A couple of
Speaker 1: quotes Sophie Devine, new Zealand captain, first game really disappointed
Speaker 1: and game two similar trends. We didn't battle over that's
Speaker 1: a crime one hundred and forty. You're not going to
Speaker 1: be competitive fair play. I think that's pretty much bang on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think things are right there.
Speaker 3: I think that to miss in terms of I don't
Speaker 3: want to go so far to say culturally, because unless
Speaker 3: you're in the camp, you don't know what the culture
Speaker 3: of a team is like. So I think we can
Speaker 3: look outside and go, well, there's something not right there.
Speaker 3: But very clearly my understanding was that Jason Wells wanted
Speaker 3: to continue in his role as selector.
Speaker 2: He was effectively.
Speaker 3: Told no, it didn't have his contract renewed, that they
Speaker 3: were going to look in a different direction there. Now, look,
Speaker 3: I'm joining dots here. I'm adding two and two and
Speaker 3: maybe getting seven and a half. So that but Wells
Speaker 3: is very tight with Robbie Kerr. I mean they played
Speaker 3: together at Wellington.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Has that a shot across the bows of the power
Speaker 3: structure within that team? Maybe is it sending a message?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't have answers to these.
Speaker 3: I'm not close enough connected, but it feels like there's
Speaker 3: something very wrong at the state of women's cricket.
Speaker 2: This team is not getting better.
Speaker 3: We thought that when we hosted the World Cup that
Speaker 3: was a low point, right that Bob Carter raising physically
Speaker 3: out badly. Getting a more dynamic Australian coach that had
Speaker 3: great success as an assystem with the Australian women's team
Speaker 3: was a good step in the right direction, perhaps nurture
Speaker 3: some of this younger talent coming through. But I do
Speaker 3: think you've got to ask it, do we have young
Speaker 3: talent coming through? We're still heavily reliant on Saphie Divine
Speaker 3: and Susie Bait, who are moving into their mid thirties.
Speaker 3: Not seeing the world on fire on this tour very obviously,
Speaker 3: but then again, no one knows. And I watched the
Speaker 3: way England and Australia play the game now in India
Speaker 3: play the game now, and the game is moving more.
Speaker 3: I don't mean this in a patronizing way at all,
Speaker 3: but it's I guess the skill sets of the game
Speaker 3: are moving closer to perhaps the men's game a lot
Speaker 3: of power hitting in front of the wicket that simply
Speaker 3: wasn't there in the past, and the women's game. I'm
Speaker 3: not seeing that translate to New Zealand performance. Some very
Speaker 3: good players Mellicur is a very good player. Saviiet Divine
Speaker 3: is a player who can power hit in front of
Speaker 3: the wicket, very good player. But that's second tier of
Speaker 3: players coming through. It just doesn't seem to be there.
Speaker 3: And look, I don't know where they go. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you have had any deep thoughts on it,
Speaker 3: but these are terrible, terrible results. We can't we can't
Speaker 3: get away from that. And I think we've said this
Speaker 3: over the past couple of years. New Zealand Cricket have
Speaker 3: to make some calls here are they going to invest
Speaker 3: heavily in the woman's game? So how are they going
Speaker 3: to do it? You can just throw money at something
Speaker 3: and expect it to be better. You've got to throw
Speaker 3: money at it in terms of resource, and where do
Speaker 3: you put that resource? Does New Zealand, because it's got
Speaker 3: a small talent, Paul, perhaps and load up on their
Speaker 3: T twenty and make that the game that the format
Speaker 3: they're going to pursue. And I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: over to you, Paul, any thoughts.
Speaker 1: I think you do know, Dylan, And then I think
Speaker 1: there's some very sevy observations there, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think you know We've been a broken record about that
Speaker 1: reliance on the same you know, I was going to
Speaker 1: say half a dozen, but really it's three or four players,
Speaker 1: and it's the next tier and then the tier below that.
Speaker 1: And then as you say that, the youngsters coming through
Speaker 1: and you know, lots of them have been given chances.
Speaker 1: Have they been given chances too early? Is this a
Speaker 1: part of a five year plan? There's five years too long?
Speaker 1: How's the plan going? I don't like the look of it.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel nervous. Yeah, look, I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but yeah, well I guess what I do know is
Speaker 1: or who I do know is Jason Wells as an
Speaker 1: absolute top man. And yeah, I'm just not sure that
Speaker 1: will be better without someone like that involved. So that
Speaker 1: that's news to me an interesting one. I will keep
Speaker 1: an eye out for him at the Island Blaye Island
Speaker 1: Bay Football Club rooms over the next few weeks and
Speaker 1: see what we can glean from him.
Speaker 3: I mean some players in that team, and I don't
Speaker 3: want to pick on individuals because you know, they don't
Speaker 3: get the same backing as the men, they ain't get
Speaker 3: the same money in that but there's some players in
Speaker 3: that team that are getting lots and lots and lots
Speaker 3: of chances and doing to nothing with them.
Speaker 2: So do you do you cut them and move on
Speaker 2: to the next.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just feels like a hot mess at the moment.
Speaker 1: One thing that isn't a hot mess is the correspondence
Speaker 1: to the byc. Thank you to everyone that's Scott in touch.
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of whipped through here DC. The
Speaker 1: first one is from UK Paul and it's on the
Speaker 1: Test Captain. See hello fellas. Love listening to your podcast
Speaker 1: from over here in the UK always makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. A question I would be
Speaker 1: interested to hear you discuss is who do you think
Speaker 1: should be the black Caps Test captain for the upcoming
Speaker 1: red ball tour. At the conclusion of the tests versus Australia,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of question marks on whether Tim
Speaker 1: Souley would remain as skipper. While I have no issues
Speaker 1: with Tim as captain as such, the big question really
Speaker 1: would be is he a definite pick for selection in
Speaker 1: the upcoming red ball games away against Afghanistan, Sri Lanka
Speaker 1: and India given the spin friendly nature of these wickets.
Speaker 1: If it's place in the team isn't guaranteed. Surely he
Speaker 1: can't be captain. The easy answer might be Tom Latham,
Speaker 1: though I wonder if it's an opportunity to look to
Speaker 1: the future a bit with Daryl or a Glen Phillips
Speaker 1: or Devin Conway.
Speaker 2: What do you reckon?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I would There's a couple
Speaker 3: of things I would like to say. On the first
Speaker 3: of all, Mitchell's thirty three Conway to thirty three on Monday,
Speaker 3: So is that really looking to the future? If if
Speaker 3: they you're next in line. Glenn Phillips would be a
Speaker 3: very bold move. But I think he I mean bless him,
Speaker 3: but I think he operates on a slightly different wavelength
Speaker 3: and most sentient human beings, so it might be it
Speaker 3: might be a risk too far, but it's a good idea.
Speaker 3: But what I would say is Tim Southy is going
Speaker 3: to be captain for those games. And you look at
Speaker 3: his record his career. He's taken three hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: Test wickets at an average of twenty nine point six
Speaker 3: to one at a strike rate of fifty nine point five.
Speaker 2: This will surprise a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Injury Lanka, he's taken sixty four wickets an average of
Speaker 3: eighteen with a strike rate of forty five point three,
Speaker 3: so miles better than.
Speaker 2: His overall record.
Speaker 3: In India, he's taken fifty two wickets an average of
Speaker 3: twenty four point sixty nine at a straight raid of
Speaker 3: forty six point nine, miles better better's overall record. I
Speaker 3: think people do tend to forget he is a very,
Speaker 3: very canny, clever bowler in sub continent and conditions.
Speaker 2: But we cannot.
Speaker 3: Overlook the fact that he was poor last summer. So
Speaker 3: I'm guessing his rope is shorter, but he's not at
Speaker 3: the end of it yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on board with that very I had the
Speaker 1: same set of stats and I was actually really surprised
Speaker 1: that his stats in India in particular, we're better than
Speaker 1: his overall career stats. And yeah, look, I think it
Speaker 1: seems like it's he's an absolute lock. Tom Latham is
Speaker 1: potentially a contender if Saudi decides he needs a rest
Speaker 1: or whatever, But I feel like it would be Saudi
Speaker 1: making that call, and I just can't see it happening.
Speaker 1: He's notoriously fit and notoriously hates not playing too. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: in particular, the STG comes to mind, he's probably far
Speaker 1: too grumpy to be twelve men when he's put in
Speaker 1: that position. So yeah, look, love the speculation of the discussion,
Speaker 1: but I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: I mean, he does need an up to conform. He
Speaker 3: can continue playing like you did the last home summer. Else,
Speaker 3: I mean, at his age, you are standing to wonder
Speaker 3: if he's fallen off the cliff in terms of his performance.
Speaker 2: But we're not there yet. Hey, look is another.
Speaker 3: Great piece of correspondence which I will rush through as DCF.
Speaker 3: On the future of T twenty black Caps, Hi, all,
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed the discussions you've had in the last few
Speaker 3: episodes about what changes you'd like to see the black
Speaker 3: Caps T twenty approach going forward and which players will
Speaker 3: or won't be making the trip to the continent in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. However, as a key, we living overseas,
Speaker 3: specifically the USA, a country desperately trying to convince itself
Speaker 3: that watching a one null baseball game is a good
Speaker 3: way to spend three hours, and one that thinks silly.
Speaker 3: Midn is a ridiculous name for a position, but tight
Speaker 3: end and shortstop aren't. My knowledge of the next generation
Speaker 3: of black Cap stars could be as best be described
Speaker 3: as bugger or I probably couldn't pick Eddie Ashot or
Speaker 3: Willow Walk out of a lineup if my life depended
Speaker 3: on it. So to that end, I was wondering if
Speaker 3: you could add a third discussion to your future Black
Speaker 3: Caps teach me any lineup series for the benefit of us, Skiwiz.
Speaker 3: You don't get to see a lot of super smash
Speaker 3: sport trophy, your plunketshield cricket. Who would you rate as
Speaker 3: the up and comers who best fit the profiles and
Speaker 3: cricketers you'd like to see in the black Caps T
Speaker 3: twenty squad two years in the years coming? He as
Speaker 3: if you qualifiers the potential power heading top all a better.
Speaker 3: But yeah, who would we like to see in the
Speaker 3: next up for the next few years? As the like
Speaker 3: said Michael Bracewill, Trent Bolt, Lockie Ferguson and others are
Speaker 3: phased out? Cheers all And if I run into any
Speaker 3: Kiwis at the Major League Cricket matches in North Carolina
Speaker 3: next month, I'll shout them a pint or whip up
Speaker 3: a homemade minsen cheese.
Speaker 1: Nice house good. It makes me want to travel over
Speaker 1: there just for that Minton Cheese. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we're going to talk about this, I imagine for literally
Speaker 1: years to come. But you know, and we have talked
Speaker 1: about a few few guys that are in the mix.
Speaker 1: What I did I had a quick look at sort
Speaker 1: of the highest strike rates in the Super Smash, just
Speaker 1: to get a flavor because I feel like you sort
Speaker 1: of have a vibe of guys that you've seen play
Speaker 1: just when it had to look at some raw numbers. Now,
Speaker 1: the highest strike rate from a bating point of view
Speaker 1: is Doug Bracewell, which is a bit waking, but you
Speaker 1: know there it is a ninety three, not out of
Speaker 1: do that, so fair play to him. There's a really
Speaker 1: interesting guy by the name of Bevan John Jacobs from
Speaker 1: hal Ting who plays for Canterbury. He's been a revelation
Speaker 1: in Canterbury Club cricket and he did some really really
Speaker 1: good things in the Super Smash and he's in that
Speaker 1: another Sapha that's cutting his way in through the New
Speaker 1: Zealand scene. I think he's definitely one to watch. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tim Robinson's an obvious one. Fin Allen's going to be there.
Speaker 1: I like the Max Choo's done some good things. He's
Speaker 1: sort of young, possibly not that young. I think I
Speaker 1: always talking about him because his auntie is my next
Speaker 1: door neighbor. But uh, Mitchy mitch Hay is another one
Speaker 1: that I think is worth a crack and a guy
Speaker 1: that I know is not young. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's David Miller, but a touch of David
Speaker 1: Miller as well. O'donnald you know, I think he could
Speaker 1: have done some good things. And I think Nathan Smith
Speaker 1: is going to be a really obvious one that's about
Speaker 1: to break through. So I think those are some contenders
Speaker 1: from a batting point of view.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I look as well.
Speaker 3: I probably perused some of the same stats as you
Speaker 3: and Robertson mitch Hay and Dean Foxcroft. Those three are
Speaker 3: actually over in the over in India at the moment,
Speaker 3: learning to sweep on spinning wickets, so that might be
Speaker 3: appointed to where the selectors think the future lies. And
Speaker 3: I go so far to say it's a huge pointer.
Speaker 3: Dean Foxcroft has planned to deceive a little in the
Speaker 3: T twenty game and she but he's certainly got talent.
Speaker 3: I love the way he bats when he's when he's in,
Speaker 3: but his stroke rate is pretty He didn't I didn't
Speaker 3: think he had an amazing season last season. Mooer Bass
Speaker 3: is another one who has got talent dripping out of
Speaker 3: his paws. Maybe maybe t twenties. Not quite his game yet,
Speaker 3: but it will be. I always wonder why Nick Kelly
Speaker 3: hasn't ever had a crack and he's about to turn
Speaker 3: thirty one, but he always plays well for Wellington.
Speaker 2: And then on the bowling front, you know Ben Lister
Speaker 2: is still twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Riston p Jason Hoyt, who's sick this week. By the way,
Speaker 1: he's actually not dead. Well that thing is.
Speaker 3: But Ben, this is twenty eight he's got. Last season,
Speaker 3: I think his economy was just to tick over six
Speaker 3: and a strike rate was thirteen, like he was the
Speaker 3: pick of the seemers. Eddie es shock unfortunately I didn't
Speaker 3: realize this actually, but he had back surgery, really serious
Speaker 3: back surgery. He's actually got to I think he might
Speaker 3: have even had a screw inserted, which sounds very shame
Speaker 3: Bond type of surgery. So I guess we wait bade
Speaker 3: a breath to see if he has to reconfigure his
Speaker 3: action or anything like that. But obviously he's got a
Speaker 3: huge potential as a leg spinner and another guy who's
Speaker 3: done nothing yet to justify this lofty place on the
Speaker 3: b YC. But just keep half an eye out for
Speaker 3: Jock McKenzie.
Speaker 2: Chose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was gonna He was in the Blues I
Speaker 3: think super rugby squad and he was a two sports
Speaker 3: star at high school. He is now throwing his lot
Speaker 3: in with cricket. He looked last summer with the times
Speaker 3: I watched him. I thought he's possibly not quite there
Speaker 3: yet with either discipline, but there's clearly potential there and
Speaker 3: I think he might be. He might be kind of
Speaker 3: a Blacks, but maybe with a little bit more upside
Speaker 3: than the Clackson for the long term because he's very young.
Speaker 2: I think he might be twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah nice and I mean Nathan Smith again for me
Speaker 1: just to chuck in a couple of guys that kind
Speaker 1: of haven't come through in the bowling, and I know
Speaker 1: he's there, he's been in the squad, he's played already.
Speaker 1: But Zach Folks I think is going to be a
Speaker 1: real gun coming through and definitely a terrific player to watch.
Speaker 1: He can bat too, so yeah, there's a few names
Speaker 1: there that we're throwing around so that we can claim
Speaker 1: them down the track. Hopefully that's helpful DCF, but definitely
Speaker 1: a topic the future T twenty black Caps team that
Speaker 1: will be wrestling with over the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: Ahead of that, TEA twenty World Cup third one. Just
Speaker 1: quickly as mother on Devlin, did you guys see Marden
Speaker 1: Devlin's rant on the larger number of folks employed by
Speaker 1: New Cricket, I suspect Gary Stead is carrying the can
Speaker 1: for poor planning. Maybe player empowerment gone astray. Jared Kimber
Speaker 1: on his pod made the point that countries like New
Speaker 1: Zealand and Sri Lanka with our lesser numbers, are going
Speaker 1: to have good and bad periods. New Zealand's at the
Speaker 1: end of a great period and it seems that not much.
Speaker 1: There's not too much in the way of talent coming through,
Speaker 1: at least not the kind of talent that we've been
Speaker 1: used to over the past ten or fifteen years. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts, boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I didn't see the rent, but I think
Speaker 3: by most standards, New Zealand runs a fairly lean operation,
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't have thought that New Zealand is getting
Speaker 3: clogged up by bureaucracy, head office or in the high
Speaker 3: performance system down in Lincoln. That's not to say I
Speaker 3: don't think there shouldn't be changes in the high performance
Speaker 3: system and they shouldn't be fresh blood perhaps, but I
Speaker 3: don't think too many people is the problem there. I
Speaker 3: think Jerry Kidner's dead right. You know New Zealand's fortunes
Speaker 3: are going to be cyclical.
Speaker 2: You try and.
Speaker 3: Smooth out that roller coaster as best you can with
Speaker 3: good succession planning. Has New Zealand got that right at
Speaker 3: the moment, will clearly not if they go into a
Speaker 3: tournament with essentially the entire team maybe Finelle and over
Speaker 3: thirty and and it's up to the BYC to discuss
Speaker 3: who that next wave of talent coming through is because
Speaker 3: it's not obvious to other people. So you know, perhaps
Speaker 3: they haven't got it right, and perhaps we are on
Speaker 3: the brink of a prolonged slump. I hope not, but
Speaker 3: we are. I mean, Jared's right, We're never going to
Speaker 3: have a factory line of talent like India can that
Speaker 3: pulls out of the Rangi Trophy and the I P
Speaker 3: l and that sort of thing. It's just never going
Speaker 3: to be part of the New Zealand game. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my thoughts on that, muzz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with you to say, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, as we've, as we've touched on before, it's
Speaker 1: been and as he does himself in his email, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been an incredible run from a playing point of view.
Speaker 1: But I also think, you know, we talk about New
Speaker 1: Zealand punching above its weight, and now the expectations are higher,
Speaker 1: and that's where we get pissed off when we lose
Speaker 1: to teams like Afghanistan. But also I think it's fair
Speaker 1: to say that the way that cricket has been run
Speaker 1: in New Zealand also punches above its weight. I know
Speaker 1: it's controversies from time to time, but none of these huge,
Speaker 1: kind of massive things have happened over the last few years.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a pretty it's a pretty neat
Speaker 1: and tidy shop generally, and I think lots of things
Speaker 1: have obviously worked pretty damn well over the last you know,
Speaker 1: ten years or so, for sure. So yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure we should talking about
Speaker 1: matter Devlin, because I think that's probably exactly what he wants.
Speaker 3: Hey, it was a bad campaign, it was. It was
Speaker 3: a poor campaign in the Caapan for this World T twenty.
Speaker 3: There are reasons that we've discussed on previous podcasts for
Speaker 3: namely pork preparation and maybe coming to the end of cycle.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And now it's time for a little bit
Speaker 1: of Pauwford's violence Corner Paul.
Speaker 3: Forward's cricket violence Corner.
Speaker 1: Pakistani cricketer Umar Akmal has been arrested for allegedly thrashing
Speaker 1: a traffic warden and he was taken to the police
Speaker 1: station and charged under sections one eight six, two seven
Speaker 1: nine and three five three of the Pakistan Penal Code
Speaker 1: four obstructing an official at work, tearing a police uniform
Speaker 1: and misbehaving and hurling threats. The traffic warden stopped Ukmar
Speaker 1: after he would stopped for violating a traffic light signal.
Speaker 1: He counter alleged that the warden had abused and slapped him.
Speaker 1: The place where the incident took place has CCTV cameras
Speaker 1: all around it. I would ask the authorities to look
Speaker 1: at the footage and then decide whether I have done
Speaker 1: anything wrong, Umar said, sounds like quite a good defense,
Speaker 1: to be fair.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the you don't want to get
Speaker 3: on the wrong side of two seven six on the
Speaker 3: Pakistani penal code, that's for sure. Mar Aknel, What a
Speaker 3: curious cricketer he was. I remember he came out to
Speaker 3: New Zealand when he was really young, brother of Cameron
Speaker 3: ack now the keeper with iron gloves. But he scored
Speaker 3: a fantastic test century and I think I might have
Speaker 3: been working with Shane Bond on his biography at the
Speaker 3: time and I remember him just saying that that kid
Speaker 3: is a gun.
Speaker 2: He could be anything, and he really didn't amount to
Speaker 2: much at all.
Speaker 1: No, it's always a bad day when you're in the
Speaker 1: paper for tearing a police uniform. I would suggest, Hey,
Speaker 1: Dylan Cleaver, I think I think that's us. Thanks everyone
Speaker 1: for joining us on this week's boy C podcast. You
Speaker 1: could fill your week watching the White Fans play in
Speaker 1: the Dead of the Night in England live stream via
Speaker 1: the ICC website from midnight to night, and then you
Speaker 1: can watch the t twenties from one thirty am on
Speaker 1: Sunday maybe and in the meantime, if you've got anything
Speaker 1: to get off your chest, send us a short diet
Speaker 1: tribe to b YC at Beasewague dot co dot nz.
Speaker 1: Take care out there, kak on no