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Speaker 1: Dinna Koto and marste Alter and welcome to the BYC Podcast,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from the Export Beer Garden studio in

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Speaker 1: the midst of a week dominated by Indian winds, Indians,

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Speaker 1: Indian flags and Indian helpable relief. This week we reflect

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Speaker 1: on the T twenty World Cup Dani Mom and what

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Speaker 1: it all really means. We gloss over to annihilations of

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Speaker 1: the white Ferns. We dig into some correspondence from our

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Speaker 1: legendary listeners and wash it all down with some cricket

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Speaker 1: violence juice from Pakistani I'm Paul Ford, godfather of the

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Speaker 1: Beige Brigade. I'm joined by Master of the New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Cricket Scoop, Dylan Cleaver, our pleasy DNDE of the Substack

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Speaker 1: sports newsletter Unmissible writing in there the bounce absolute belter

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Speaker 1: of the newsletter. Highly recommend and I pay for it. DC.

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Speaker 1: Did you bust out your green, orange and white face

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Actually, it was a really niggli time to watch it,

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Speaker 3: and I've got a confession. I did watch the match

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Speaker 3: in full, but unfortunately I already knew the result before

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Speaker 3: I watched the end of it, but I still found

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Speaker 3: myself weirdly excited because I didn't actually I didn't realize

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Speaker 3: the permutations that got us to that Indian victory. And

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Speaker 3: really how I think we'll address this a little bit later,

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Speaker 3: but how South Africa were knocking on the door of

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Speaker 3: history and it was unlocked, yet they couldn't find a

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Speaker 1: Yes, for the three people in the whole cricket and

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Speaker 1: universe that don't know what happened. Of course, India a

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy six for seven off their twenty others,

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Speaker 1: the rat Rat Holy finding some form seventy six off

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Speaker 1: fifty nine balls in the miracle, man akshar Ptel with

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Speaker 1: the pick of the bowlers. And then the South African

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Speaker 1: chase which looks so bad, then so good and then

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Speaker 1: ultimately failed, one sixty nine for eight off their twenty overs.

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Speaker 1: Massive innings from Heinrich class and the Basher Quintin de

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Speaker 1: Kock was superb. David Millard did some good things, and

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Speaker 1: it was Hardik Pandia with the most wickets, but it

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Speaker 1: was Jasper, yes, but Boomra that man, that miracle man again,

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Speaker 1: who was a real factor in that final. Dylan. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was an excellent final, actually played on one

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Speaker 1: of the best pitchers in the tournament, and definitely between

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Speaker 1: the two best teams. Of course, they both went into

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Speaker 1: the match unbeaten, having won eight matches in a row.

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Speaker 1: There were some foi balls and some bullshit in the format.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was some shenanigans I think around how

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Speaker 1: it all came together, but we can't really argue with

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Speaker 1: what the final that was produced.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was excellent.

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Speaker 3: You had two teams that are clearly committed to the

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Speaker 3: T twenty, and you can see that by their domestic competitions,

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Speaker 3: which are throwing a lot of money, a lot of resource,

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Speaker 3: city that breathes cricket and has just such great lineage

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Speaker 3: of world class players, possibly.

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Speaker 2: The greatest of them all.

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Speaker 3: And Gary Sobers and so everything about it felt right.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was just a.

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Speaker 3: Really good game of cricket. Verat Poly in his last

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Speaker 2: Some class I didn't actually realize.

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Speaker 3: Did you realize what a drought it had been for

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Speaker 3: India at ICC tournaments? I just kind of assume that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I expected to win. I think it's probably

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much overwhelming coverage about them,

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Speaker 1: it's a thirteen year drought, isn't it. They've lost the

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Speaker 1: most recently the fifty over final at home, where literally

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Speaker 1: the entire Indian state expected them to win, and of

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Speaker 1: course multiple World Test Championship finals. They're always I mean,

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Speaker 3: That is a Doddle twenty six of twenty four with

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Speaker 2: Gods with the bat. How did they lose from there?

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Speaker 1: very well timed injury break. I'm not reading anything into it.

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Speaker 1: gave us wicked away. Just you can't criticize in those

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Speaker 3: Frustratingly, Yeah, well that's exactly right. I mean, boomra bowl.

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, Class gave his wicked away. You're dead right,

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Speaker 3: Poles knocked it and from that moment on you could

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Speaker 2: I didn't have the feeling. I knew it.

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Speaker 3: I knew they were going to fall short, but you

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Speaker 3: could almost sense that hope fading away. Each person that

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Speaker 2: And yeah, in the end, in the end, the best

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Speaker 3: And in some ways it was hard to gauge that

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Speaker 3: next one. But in the end, I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: a few t twenty legends after this World Cup, like

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Speaker 3: came Williamson, Ravi Jadasa who was just a non factor

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Speaker 3: brit India in this tournament, row At Sharma and Verat

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Speaker 3: Kohley who had a dreadful tournament until went. It really

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Speaker 1: That's right, what I think seventy five He had seventy

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Speaker 1: acknowledge a redemption song by Bob Marley, of course, and

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Speaker 1: quite sure that we can. It's probably drawing quite a

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Speaker 1: long bow to say that this Cricket World Cup was

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Speaker 1: the story about a team that had been abducted into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they didn't play a Jamaica reve which is

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Speaker 1: Totally totally good luck. If you were traveling from anywhere

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Speaker 1: trying to get to that game apparently was absolutely apocalyptic.

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Speaker 1: If you were a journalist who was not part of

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Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous situation where you traveled for ten hours in

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Speaker 1: of the semi final venues. I know the English media

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Speaker 1: a friend and who wants to be a millionaire. He's

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Speaker 1: like your lifeline. You know he's going to do something

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Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of when you're going to

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Speaker 1: play that card. I mean, that's a pretty extraordinary position

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is that good, isn't he. I

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Speaker 3: He was kind of the one that opposition of targeted.

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Speaker 3: But Boomra really is that good? And of course we

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Speaker 3: can't leave this final without touching on what was either

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Speaker 3: a sensational boundary catch and emblematic of where the modern

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Speaker 2: Or a little bit controversial. Where do you stand on

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Speaker 3: Do you stand on the boundary rope or do you

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Speaker 3: stand just inside it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I'm arguing with the Almighty on

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Speaker 1: this one because I saw that Sakyadev said that it

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Speaker 1: was God's plan for him to take that catch, So

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Speaker 1: I waited. I do go into this discussion with some trepidation,

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Speaker 1: but look his dancing feet in the deep. They've talked

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Speaker 1: cricket history. Look it was that. Where did I sit

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Speaker 1: on it? I'm happy with it, to be honest. I

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Speaker 1: to the BYC with Dylan Clever and Paul Ford, where

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Speaker 1: going over the entrails of the Cricket World Cup. We

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Speaker 1: But Dylan, when you reflect on this tea twenty World Cup.

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Speaker 3: Actually, it just felt a little bit messy. Partly that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Mickey Mouse reference works well in Mickey

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Speaker 3: But they still got cricket there at least, and they

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Speaker 1: a refugee team based in Australia in the absence of

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Speaker 1: a national side. Of course, woman aren't able to play

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Speaker 1: because of the Teliban horrific regulations, So an interesting little

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Speaker 1: conundrum there for icy c chair and all around good

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Speaker 1: bugger Greg Bark later to assess, that's a pretty tangled

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Speaker 1: web that's being woven there. I'd suggest for the icy

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Speaker 1: seed or wade into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, PEPs.

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Speaker 3: It's a chance for him to get back on the

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Speaker 3: front foot after this issue, because he is a terrific

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Speaker 3: bloke and he does a great job.

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Speaker 2: But the one, the one.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps misstep in his role was when he described the

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Speaker 3: taliband's grip on the woman's game there as a blip.

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Speaker 2: I think when.

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Speaker 4: You described it, immediately regretted it, and there was clearly

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Speaker 4: not the context he meanted there, but he was hauled

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Speaker 4: over the Cole's way.

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Speaker 2: The international well, yeah, mainly Twitter, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think he meant vice like grip not blip, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: close close. I mean the other thing that caught my

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Speaker 1: eye is really, you know, there was a mix. I

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Speaker 1: guess you've seen it with India. In the Indian case,

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Speaker 1: experienced players are kind of the their rock stars and

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Speaker 1: were probably the reason that they did so well. In

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Speaker 1: other cases, teams rolled the dice, took a bunch of

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Speaker 1: experienced players and came up short. England made the semi finals,

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Speaker 1: probably on reflection a pretty bloody good effort. Australia of

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Speaker 1: course not making it through. New Zealand obviously not making

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Speaker 1: it through. It does feel like there is a real

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Speaker 1: changing of the guard that's happening amongst international cricket. And

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Speaker 1: to make that point, it's pretty extraordinary. I heard getting

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Speaker 1: in Haigues say how Sahinton Dohalka played one T twenty

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Speaker 1: international and Rat Cooley and Rowert Shama have played what

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Speaker 1: two hundred or whatever? It has had a quick lock

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Speaker 1: From a New Zealand perspective, it's just remarkable to think

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Speaker 1: about this. Chris Ken's played two T twenty internationals and

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Speaker 1: scored three runs. Nathan Nashtell played four, Stephen Fleming played five,

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Speaker 1: and Craig McMillan played eight. Tim Soudy one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty six not out, goup To one hundred and twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Is so one hundred and seventeen not out, Mitchell Satner

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Speaker 1: one hundred and four not out. Generational shift in how

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Speaker 1: the game is played.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I know that Chris Ken's won in particularly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if there was a format he was born for,

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Speaker 3: it was probably T twenty right, So.

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Speaker 1: Wearing David Miller's T shirt in the tree, I'd suggest.

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Speaker 3: Mind if you go back, if you go back a

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Speaker 3: couple of generations before that, you can do the same

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Speaker 3: exercise with the event of one day cricket where it

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Speaker 3: came in sort of the late seventies early eighties, and

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Speaker 3: you look back at some of the New Zealand players,

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Speaker 3: I mean Ken Wadsworth, who obviously passed away back to

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Speaker 3: you young, but he was one that was identified as

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Speaker 3: someone who would have been a traffic one day player

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Speaker 3: never got the chance.

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Speaker 1: Yea, that's exactly right. And yeah, and then the other

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Speaker 1: thing we just touched on this before, but I did

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Speaker 1: have a quick block and the T twenty Cricket will

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Speaker 1: Cup in Sri Lanka and India is February and March

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, so just shy of two years away.

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Speaker 1: The twenty teams will be divided into four groups of five.

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Speaker 1: The top two teams in each group will advance to

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Speaker 1: the Super eight, so brace yourself India and Sri Lanka,

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Speaker 1: who are pretty lucky. Qualifiers hosts Australia, England, South Africa,

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Speaker 1: Western Is, USA, Bangaledesh and in Afghanistan are in because they

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Speaker 1: made the Super eights and then the three least worst

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Speaker 1: in the rankings after that lot so New Zealander threw

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Speaker 1: as a Pakistan in Ireland and there's eight spots to

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Speaker 1: be decided via the regional qualifiers. Yeah, I think you

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Speaker 1: mentioned this before. India, no Judasia, no Koali, no Shama,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand obviously no Bolt and probably a host of others.

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Speaker 1: And there's lots of speculation that Australia won't have the

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Speaker 1: likes of Warner's gone, but also Max will wag Stark,

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Speaker 1: those kind of guys very likely to be not on

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Speaker 1: the scrap pep but sort of easing their way out

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Speaker 1: of T twenty International Cricket, possibly against their will. DC.

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Speaker 1: Let's packet there if you didn't have anything more to

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Speaker 1: throw at that throw at the wall on that particular topic.

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Speaker 1: And when we come back, will WinCE and never look

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Speaker 1: at the White Fans. Welcome back to the BBC Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's Paul Ford and Dylan Pleaver coming to you from

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Speaker 1: the Export Beer Garden Studio DYCA. The White Ferns are

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Speaker 1: pretty tough start to their tour of England. A couple

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Speaker 1: of drubbings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, losing to England's not surprising, but Jeep

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Speaker 3: has won a mess just awful. I'll just quickly run

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Speaker 3: through the short score cads because it won't take long.

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Speaker 3: In the first game at Chesla Street, New Zealand bettered

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Speaker 3: first posted one five six England in reply one five

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Speaker 3: seven for one and just twenty one point two overs.

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Speaker 3: Moving down the road to Worcester for game two, New

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Speaker 3: Zealand a game, betting first, posting one for one England

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Speaker 3: in reply one four to two for two in just

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Speaker 3: twenty four point three overs. Yep, you heard that right.

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Speaker 3: The White Ferns have scored sub one sixty in both

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Speaker 3: games have taken a sum total of three England wickets.

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Speaker 2: And one of them was a runout.

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Speaker 3: Look, there's losing to England, and I think everybody that's

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Speaker 3: listened to the BYC, anyone that follows cricket with any

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Speaker 3: kind of close lens on the game, on all formats

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Speaker 3: of the game, will recognize that New Zealand has slipped

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Speaker 3: a long way behind Australia, England, probably India now. But

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Speaker 3: there's losing and then there's absolutely not showing up on

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Speaker 3: what is a pretty high profile tour for them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think I saw it seventeen years I think

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Indian injury out. Seventeen years since

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Speaker 1: New Zealand beat England in a woman's ODI series And

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Speaker 1: as you say, doesn't feel like, well this series gone already,

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Speaker 1: but hard to think of one that would be more

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Speaker 1: lopsided than that. It does feel like we're playing fifty

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Speaker 1: over cricket from the eighties and England are playing IPLT

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Speaker 1: twenty cricket. Yeah, really really tough going A couple of

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Speaker 1: quotes Sophie Devine, new Zealand captain, first game really disappointed

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Speaker 1: and game two similar trends. We didn't battle over that's

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Speaker 1: a crime one hundred and forty. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: be competitive fair play. I think that's pretty much bang on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think things are right there.

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Speaker 3: I think that to miss in terms of I don't

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Speaker 3: want to go so far to say culturally, because unless

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Speaker 3: you're in the camp, you don't know what the culture

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Speaker 3: of a team is like. So I think we can

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Speaker 3: look outside and go, well, there's something not right there.

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Speaker 3: But very clearly my understanding was that Jason Wells wanted

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Speaker 3: to continue in his role as selector.

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Speaker 2: He was effectively.

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Speaker 3: Told no, it didn't have his contract renewed, that they

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Speaker 3: were going to look in a different direction there. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm joining dots here. I'm adding two and two and

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Speaker 3: maybe getting seven and a half. So that but Wells

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Speaker 3: is very tight with Robbie Kerr. I mean they played

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Speaker 3: together at Wellington.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Has that a shot across the bows of the power

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Speaker 3: structure within that team? Maybe is it sending a message?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't have answers to these.

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Speaker 3: I'm not close enough connected, but it feels like there's

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Speaker 3: something very wrong at the state of women's cricket.

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Speaker 2: This team is not getting better.

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Speaker 3: We thought that when we hosted the World Cup that

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Speaker 3: was a low point, right that Bob Carter raising physically

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Speaker 3: out badly. Getting a more dynamic Australian coach that had

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Speaker 3: great success as an assystem with the Australian women's team

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Speaker 3: was a good step in the right direction, perhaps nurture

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Speaker 3: some of this younger talent coming through. But I do

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Speaker 3: think you've got to ask it, do we have young

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Speaker 3: talent coming through? We're still heavily reliant on Saphie Divine

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Speaker 3: and Susie Bait, who are moving into their mid thirties.

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Speaker 3: Not seeing the world on fire on this tour very obviously,

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Speaker 3: but then again, no one knows. And I watched the

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Speaker 3: way England and Australia play the game now in India

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Speaker 3: play the game now, and the game is moving more.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean this in a patronizing way at all,

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Speaker 3: but it's I guess the skill sets of the game

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Speaker 3: are moving closer to perhaps the men's game a lot

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Speaker 3: of power hitting in front of the wicket that simply

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Speaker 3: wasn't there in the past, and the women's game. I'm

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Speaker 3: not seeing that translate to New Zealand performance. Some very

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Speaker 3: good players Mellicur is a very good player. Saviiet Divine

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Speaker 3: is a player who can power hit in front of

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Speaker 3: the wicket, very good player. But that's second tier of

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Speaker 3: players coming through. It just doesn't seem to be there.

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Speaker 3: And look, I don't know where they go. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you have had any deep thoughts on it,

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Speaker 3: but these are terrible, terrible results. We can't we can't

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Speaker 3: get away from that. And I think we've said this

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Speaker 3: over the past couple of years. New Zealand Cricket have

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Speaker 3: to make some calls here are they going to invest

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Speaker 3: heavily in the woman's game? So how are they going

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Speaker 3: to do it? You can just throw money at something

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Speaker 3: and expect it to be better. You've got to throw

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Speaker 3: money at it in terms of resource, and where do

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Speaker 3: you put that resource? Does New Zealand, because it's got

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Speaker 3: a small talent, Paul, perhaps and load up on their

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Speaker 3: T twenty and make that the game that the format

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Speaker 3: they're going to pursue. And I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 3: over to you, Paul, any thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I think you do know, Dylan, And then I think

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Speaker 1: there's some very sevy observations there, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: think you know We've been a broken record about that

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Speaker 1: reliance on the same you know, I was going to

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Speaker 1: say half a dozen, but really it's three or four players,

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Speaker 1: and it's the next tier and then the tier below that.

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Speaker 1: And then as you say that, the youngsters coming through

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Speaker 1: and you know, lots of them have been given chances.

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Speaker 1: Have they been given chances too early? Is this a

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Speaker 1: part of a five year plan? There's five years too long?

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Speaker 1: How's the plan going? I don't like the look of it.

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Speaker 1: It makes me feel nervous. Yeah, look, I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, well I guess what I do know is

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Speaker 1: or who I do know is Jason Wells as an

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Speaker 1: absolute top man. And yeah, I'm just not sure that

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Speaker 1: will be better without someone like that involved. So that

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Speaker 1: that's news to me an interesting one. I will keep

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Speaker 1: an eye out for him at the Island Blaye Island

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Speaker 1: Bay Football Club rooms over the next few weeks and

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Speaker 1: see what we can glean from him.

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Speaker 3: I mean some players in that team, and I don't

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Speaker 3: want to pick on individuals because you know, they don't

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Speaker 3: get the same backing as the men, they ain't get

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Speaker 3: the same money in that but there's some players in

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Speaker 3: that team that are getting lots and lots and lots

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Speaker 3: of chances and doing to nothing with them.

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Speaker 2: So do you do you cut them and move on

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Speaker 2: to the next.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like a hot mess at the moment.

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Speaker 1: One thing that isn't a hot mess is the correspondence

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Speaker 1: to the byc. Thank you to everyone that's Scott in touch.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple of whipped through here DC. The

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Speaker 1: first one is from UK Paul and it's on the

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Speaker 1: Test Captain. See hello fellas. Love listening to your podcast

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Speaker 1: from over here in the UK always makes me laugh.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. A question I would be

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Speaker 1: interested to hear you discuss is who do you think

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Speaker 1: should be the black Caps Test captain for the upcoming

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Speaker 1: red ball tour. At the conclusion of the tests versus Australia,

653
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of question marks on whether Tim

654
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Speaker 1: Souley would remain as skipper. While I have no issues

655
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: with Tim as captain as such, the big question really

656
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: would be is he a definite pick for selection in

657
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Speaker 1: the upcoming red ball games away against Afghanistan, Sri Lanka

658
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Speaker 1: and India given the spin friendly nature of these wickets.

659
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Speaker 1: If it's place in the team isn't guaranteed. Surely he

660
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: can't be captain. The easy answer might be Tom Latham,

661
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Speaker 1: though I wonder if it's an opportunity to look to

662
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: the future a bit with Daryl or a Glen Phillips

663
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Speaker 1: or Devin Conway.

664
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Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I would There's a couple

666
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: of things I would like to say. On the first

667
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: of all, Mitchell's thirty three Conway to thirty three on Monday,

668
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Speaker 3: So is that really looking to the future? If if

669
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: they you're next in line. Glenn Phillips would be a

670
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: very bold move. But I think he I mean bless him,

671
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: but I think he operates on a slightly different wavelength

672
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: and most sentient human beings, so it might be it

673
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: might be a risk too far, but it's a good idea.

674
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: But what I would say is Tim Southy is going

675
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: to be captain for those games. And you look at

676
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 3: his record his career. He's taken three hundred and eighty

677
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: Test wickets at an average of twenty nine point six

678
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Speaker 3: to one at a strike rate of fifty nine point five.

679
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: This will surprise a lot of people.

680
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: Injury Lanka, he's taken sixty four wickets an average of

681
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: eighteen with a strike rate of forty five point three,

682
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: so miles better than.

683
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: His overall record.

684
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: In India, he's taken fifty two wickets an average of

685
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: twenty four point sixty nine at a straight raid of

686
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: forty six point nine, miles better better's overall record. I

687
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: think people do tend to forget he is a very,

688
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: very canny, clever bowler in sub continent and conditions.

689
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: But we cannot.

690
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: Overlook the fact that he was poor last summer. So

691
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: I'm guessing his rope is shorter, but he's not at

692
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: the end of it yet.

693
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on board with that very I had the

694
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: same set of stats and I was actually really surprised

695
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: that his stats in India in particular, we're better than

696
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: his overall career stats. And yeah, look, I think it

697
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: seems like it's he's an absolute lock. Tom Latham is

698
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: potentially a contender if Saudi decides he needs a rest

699
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, But I feel like it would be Saudi

700
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: making that call, and I just can't see it happening.

701
00:35:53,239 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: He's notoriously fit and notoriously hates not playing too. I think, yeah,

702
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: in particular, the STG comes to mind, he's probably far

703
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: too grumpy to be twelve men when he's put in

704
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: that position. So yeah, look, love the speculation of the discussion,

705
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: but I'm with you on that.

706
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he does need an up to conform. He

707
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: can continue playing like you did the last home summer. Else,

708
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: I mean, at his age, you are standing to wonder

709
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: if he's fallen off the cliff in terms of his performance.

710
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: But we're not there yet. Hey, look is another.

711
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 3: Great piece of correspondence which I will rush through as DCF.

712
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: On the future of T twenty black Caps, Hi, all,

713
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed the discussions you've had in the last few

714
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: episodes about what changes you'd like to see the black

715
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: Caps T twenty approach going forward and which players will

716
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: or won't be making the trip to the continent in

717
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. However, as a key, we living overseas,

718
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: specifically the USA, a country desperately trying to convince itself

719
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: that watching a one null baseball game is a good

720
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: way to spend three hours, and one that thinks silly.

721
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Midn is a ridiculous name for a position, but tight

722
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: end and shortstop aren't. My knowledge of the next generation

723
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: of black Cap stars could be as best be described

724
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: as bugger or I probably couldn't pick Eddie Ashot or

725
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: Willow Walk out of a lineup if my life depended

726
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: on it. So to that end, I was wondering if

727
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: you could add a third discussion to your future Black

728
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: Caps teach me any lineup series for the benefit of us, Skiwiz.

729
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: You don't get to see a lot of super smash

730
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: sport trophy, your plunketshield cricket. Who would you rate as

731
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: the up and comers who best fit the profiles and

732
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: cricketers you'd like to see in the black Caps T

733
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: twenty squad two years in the years coming? He as

734
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: if you qualifiers the potential power heading top all a better.

735
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, who would we like to see in the

736
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: next up for the next few years? As the like

737
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: said Michael Bracewill, Trent Bolt, Lockie Ferguson and others are

738
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: phased out? Cheers all And if I run into any

739
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: Kiwis at the Major League Cricket matches in North Carolina

740
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: next month, I'll shout them a pint or whip up

741
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: a homemade minsen cheese.

742
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: Nice house good. It makes me want to travel over

743
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: there just for that Minton Cheese. I mean yeah, I

744
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: mean we're going to talk about this, I imagine for literally

745
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: years to come. But you know, and we have talked

746
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: about a few few guys that are in the mix.

747
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: What I did I had a quick look at sort

748
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: of the highest strike rates in the Super Smash, just

749
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: to get a flavor because I feel like you sort

750
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: of have a vibe of guys that you've seen play

751
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: just when it had to look at some raw numbers. Now,

752
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: the highest strike rate from a bating point of view

753
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: is Doug Bracewell, which is a bit waking, but you

754
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: know there it is a ninety three, not out of

755
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: do that, so fair play to him. There's a really

756
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: interesting guy by the name of Bevan John Jacobs from

757
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: hal Ting who plays for Canterbury. He's been a revelation

758
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: in Canterbury Club cricket and he did some really really

759
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: good things in the Super Smash and he's in that

760
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: another Sapha that's cutting his way in through the New

761
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: Zealand scene. I think he's definitely one to watch. I mean,

762
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: Tim Robinson's an obvious one. Fin Allen's going to be there.

763
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: I like the Max Choo's done some good things. He's

764
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: sort of young, possibly not that young. I think I

765
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: always talking about him because his auntie is my next

766
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: door neighbor. But uh, Mitchy mitch Hay is another one

767
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: that I think is worth a crack and a guy

768
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: that I know is not young. But you know, I'm

769
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: not saying he's David Miller, but a touch of David

770
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Miller as well. O'donnald you know, I think he could

771
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: have done some good things. And I think Nathan Smith

772
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: is going to be a really obvious one that's about

773
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: to break through. So I think those are some contenders

774
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: from a batting point of view.

775
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I look as well.

776
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: I probably perused some of the same stats as you

777
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: and Robertson mitch Hay and Dean Foxcroft. Those three are

778
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: actually over in the over in India at the moment,

779
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: learning to sweep on spinning wickets, so that might be

780
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: appointed to where the selectors think the future lies. And

781
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: I go so far to say it's a huge pointer.

782
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: Dean Foxcroft has planned to deceive a little in the

783
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: T twenty game and she but he's certainly got talent.

784
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: I love the way he bats when he's when he's in,

785
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: but his stroke rate is pretty He didn't I didn't

786
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: think he had an amazing season last season. Mooer Bass

787
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: is another one who has got talent dripping out of

788
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 3: his paws. Maybe maybe t twenties. Not quite his game yet,

789
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: but it will be. I always wonder why Nick Kelly

790
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 3: hasn't ever had a crack and he's about to turn

791
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: thirty one, but he always plays well for Wellington.

792
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: And then on the bowling front, you know Ben Lister

793
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: is still twenty eight.

794
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: Riston p Jason Hoyt, who's sick this week. By the way,

795
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: he's actually not dead. Well that thing is.

796
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: But Ben, this is twenty eight he's got. Last season,

797
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 3: I think his economy was just to tick over six

798
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: and a strike rate was thirteen, like he was the

799
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: pick of the seemers. Eddie es shock unfortunately I didn't

800
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: realize this actually, but he had back surgery, really serious

801
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: back surgery. He's actually got to I think he might

802
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: have even had a screw inserted, which sounds very shame

803
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: Bond type of surgery. So I guess we wait bade

804
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: a breath to see if he has to reconfigure his

805
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: action or anything like that. But obviously he's got a

806
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: huge potential as a leg spinner and another guy who's

807
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: done nothing yet to justify this lofty place on the

808
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: b YC. But just keep half an eye out for

809
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: Jock McKenzie.

810
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 2: Chose.

811
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was gonna He was in the Blues I

812
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 3: think super rugby squad and he was a two sports

813
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: star at high school. He is now throwing his lot

814
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: in with cricket. He looked last summer with the times

815
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: I watched him. I thought he's possibly not quite there

816
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: yet with either discipline, but there's clearly potential there and

817
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: I think he might be. He might be kind of

818
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: a Blacks, but maybe with a little bit more upside

819
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: than the Clackson for the long term because he's very young.

820
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: I think he might be twenty two.

821
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah nice and I mean Nathan Smith again for me

822
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: just to chuck in a couple of guys that kind

823
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: of haven't come through in the bowling, and I know

824
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: he's there, he's been in the squad, he's played already.

825
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: But Zach Folks I think is going to be a

826
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: real gun coming through and definitely a terrific player to watch.

827
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: He can bat too, so yeah, there's a few names

828
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: there that we're throwing around so that we can claim

829
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: them down the track. Hopefully that's helpful DCF, but definitely

830
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: a topic the future T twenty black Caps team that

831
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: will be wrestling with over the next couple of years.

832
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Ahead of that, TEA twenty World Cup third one. Just

833
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: quickly as mother on Devlin, did you guys see Marden

834
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: Devlin's rant on the larger number of folks employed by

835
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: New Cricket, I suspect Gary Stead is carrying the can

836
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: for poor planning. Maybe player empowerment gone astray. Jared Kimber

837
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: on his pod made the point that countries like New

838
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: Zealand and Sri Lanka with our lesser numbers, are going

839
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: to have good and bad periods. New Zealand's at the

840
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: end of a great period and it seems that not much.

841
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: There's not too much in the way of talent coming through,

842
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: at least not the kind of talent that we've been

843
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: used to over the past ten or fifteen years. What

844
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: are your thoughts, boys.

845
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I didn't see the rent, but I think

846
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: by most standards, New Zealand runs a fairly lean operation,

847
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't have thought that New Zealand is getting

848
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: clogged up by bureaucracy, head office or in the high

849
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: performance system down in Lincoln. That's not to say I

850
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: don't think there shouldn't be changes in the high performance

851
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: system and they shouldn't be fresh blood perhaps, but I

852
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: don't think too many people is the problem there. I

853
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: think Jerry Kidner's dead right. You know New Zealand's fortunes

854
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: are going to be cyclical.

855
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: You try and.

856
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: Smooth out that roller coaster as best you can with

857
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: good succession planning. Has New Zealand got that right at

858
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: the moment, will clearly not if they go into a

859
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 3: tournament with essentially the entire team maybe Finelle and over

860
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: thirty and and it's up to the BYC to discuss

861
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: who that next wave of talent coming through is because

862
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: it's not obvious to other people. So you know, perhaps

863
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: they haven't got it right, and perhaps we are on

864
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: the brink of a prolonged slump. I hope not, but

865
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: we are. I mean, Jared's right, We're never going to

866
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: have a factory line of talent like India can that

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Speaker 3: pulls out of the Rangi Trophy and the I P

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Speaker 3: l and that sort of thing. It's just never going

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Speaker 3: to be part of the New Zealand game. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's my thoughts on that, muzz.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with you to say, and I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, as we've, as we've touched on before, it's

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Speaker 1: been and as he does himself in his email, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been an incredible run from a playing point of view.

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Speaker 1: But I also think, you know, we talk about New

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Speaker 1: Zealand punching above its weight, and now the expectations are higher,

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Speaker 1: and that's where we get pissed off when we lose

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Speaker 1: to teams like Afghanistan. But also I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say that the way that cricket has been run

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand also punches above its weight. I know

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Speaker 1: it's controversies from time to time, but none of these huge,

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Speaker 1: kind of massive things have happened over the last few years.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a pretty it's a pretty neat

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Speaker 1: and tidy shop generally, and I think lots of things

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Speaker 1: have obviously worked pretty damn well over the last you know,

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Speaker 1: ten years or so, for sure. So yeah, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure we should talking about

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Speaker 1: matter Devlin, because I think that's probably exactly what he wants.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it was a bad campaign, it was. It was

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Speaker 3: a poor campaign in the Caapan for this World T twenty.

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Speaker 3: There are reasons that we've discussed on previous podcasts for

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Speaker 3: namely pork preparation and maybe coming to the end of cycle.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's deeper than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And now it's time for a little bit

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Speaker 1: of Pauwford's violence Corner Paul.

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Speaker 3: Forward's cricket violence Corner.

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Speaker 1: Pakistani cricketer Umar Akmal has been arrested for allegedly thrashing

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Speaker 1: a traffic warden and he was taken to the police

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Speaker 1: station and charged under sections one eight six, two seven

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Speaker 1: nine and three five three of the Pakistan Penal Code

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Speaker 1: four obstructing an official at work, tearing a police uniform

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Speaker 1: and misbehaving and hurling threats. The traffic warden stopped Ukmar

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Speaker 1: after he would stopped for violating a traffic light signal.

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Speaker 1: He counter alleged that the warden had abused and slapped him.

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Speaker 1: The place where the incident took place has CCTV cameras

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Speaker 1: all around it. I would ask the authorities to look

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Speaker 1: at the footage and then decide whether I have done

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Speaker 1: anything wrong, Umar said, sounds like quite a good defense,

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Speaker 1: to be fair.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the you don't want to get

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Speaker 3: on the wrong side of two seven six on the

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Speaker 3: Pakistani penal code, that's for sure. Mar Aknel, What a

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Speaker 3: curious cricketer he was. I remember he came out to

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Speaker 3: New Zealand when he was really young, brother of Cameron

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Speaker 3: ack now the keeper with iron gloves. But he scored

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Speaker 3: a fantastic test century and I think I might have

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Speaker 3: been working with Shane Bond on his biography at the

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Speaker 3: time and I remember him just saying that that kid

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Speaker 3: is a gun.

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Speaker 2: He could be anything, and he really didn't amount to

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Speaker 2: much at all.

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Speaker 1: No, it's always a bad day when you're in the

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Speaker 1: paper for tearing a police uniform. I would suggest, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Cleaver, I think I think that's us. Thanks everyone

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Speaker 1: for joining us on this week's boy C podcast. You

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Speaker 1: could fill your week watching the White Fans play in

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Speaker 1: the Dead of the Night in England live stream via

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Speaker 1: the ICC website from midnight to night, and then you

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Speaker 1: can watch the t twenties from one thirty am on

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Speaker 1: Sunday maybe and in the meantime, if you've got anything

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Speaker 1: to get off your chest, send us a short diet

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Speaker 1: tribe to b YC at Beasewague dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 1: Take care out there, kak on no