WEBVTT - Alex Bartle: How to sleep long and well 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.441 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks. 0:00:09.441 --> 0:00:12.081 Ab me up when. 0:00:14.441 --> 0:00:15.081 When a w. 0:00:16.801 --> 0:00:24.761 Mod all this same mass didn't know it was not 0:00:25.841 --> 0:00:42.881 swing many win alf. 0:00:42.321 --> 0:00:44.921 And welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beveridge. 0:00:45.041 --> 0:00:46.601 By the way, if you missed politics, a couple of 0:00:46.801 --> 0:00:48.881 fascinating interviews. There were one with Time of Portaco, the 0:00:48.921 --> 0:00:55.601 Minister for Conservation and Minster Winston. 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But 0:01:26.281 --> 0:01:28.881 right now we want your calls eight hundred eighty ten 0:01:28.961 --> 0:01:32.601 eighty and your texts on nine two nine two. My 0:01:32.641 --> 0:01:35.281 guest is I haven't seen haven't seen him for why 0:01:35.321 --> 0:01:37.441 but he's a regular on the show. I think last 0:01:37.481 --> 0:01:40.201 time he was in there was another host, but Alex Bartele, 0:01:40.241 --> 0:01:42.881 doctor Alex Bartell. He's the owner of the Sleep World Clinic, 0:01:43.321 --> 0:01:47.481 and broadly speaking simply, he is a sleep doctor. I 0:01:47.481 --> 0:01:49.241 guess is that a fair enough way to describe? It's 0:01:49.241 --> 0:01:49.641 pretty good? 0:01:49.721 --> 0:01:51.081 Yeah, yeah, that's that's me. 0:01:52.241 --> 0:01:53.841 How have you been sleeping lately? I always ask you 0:01:53.921 --> 0:01:55.481 every time I see, well. 0:01:55.361 --> 0:01:58.161 Pretty well? Actually, thank goodness. Yeah. If I can't, I 0:01:58.201 --> 0:01:59.481 know what to do. That's the main thing. 0:01:59.561 --> 0:02:01.761 Well, actually, I've got a quick question on just some 0:02:01.801 --> 0:02:05.001 really people take me literally. I mentioned about counting shit 0:02:05.321 --> 0:02:08.361 because you know, it's a metaphor counting sheep, and somebody 0:02:08.361 --> 0:02:10.961 text me to go, you don't count to sheep, sleep 0:02:11.001 --> 0:02:13.761 to sheep to get to sleep. And I was thinking 0:02:13.801 --> 0:02:16.121 that there's someone who's taken me quite literally. But where 0:02:16.121 --> 0:02:18.561 does that come from? And is there something about doing 0:02:18.641 --> 0:02:21.481 something a bit mundane? 0:02:21.641 --> 0:02:25.161 It's repetitive mundane, and it's not a bad strategy, to 0:02:25.201 --> 0:02:29.041 be honest. If it works for you, then great, so yeah, 0:02:29.121 --> 0:02:31.281 doing things that are taking your mind off the fact 0:02:31.401 --> 0:02:34.001 I can't sleep. I can't sleep, I can't sleep. So 0:02:34.121 --> 0:02:38.401 counting sheeps, you know, see them going through the turnstile whatever, 0:02:38.441 --> 0:02:40.961 and or you know, taking yourself on the holiday somewhere. 0:02:41.721 --> 0:02:44.041 It's funny. I was thinking I did try counting sheep. 0:02:44.081 --> 0:02:47.161 I'm not sure if they'd be jumping through hoops over hedges. 0:02:47.681 --> 0:02:49.641 They have to be doing something a little. They couldn't 0:02:49.641 --> 0:02:50.601 just be there's a sheep. 0:02:50.961 --> 0:02:54.081 No, no, no, it has to be getting them in 0:02:54.161 --> 0:02:57.801 for shearing or something, but something pretty boring. 0:02:57.961 --> 0:02:59.481 Where does it come from that expression? 0:02:59.681 --> 0:03:03.721 I think probably exactly that it's a repetitive one two three, 0:03:03.881 --> 0:03:07.041 there's a sheep nineteen twenty. 0:03:07.801 --> 0:03:10.201 Well, I do have a producer who's very quick on 0:03:10.201 --> 0:03:12.521 her research here while we've been talking, and she has 0:03:12.521 --> 0:03:15.801 just messaged me saying that some scholars believe that the 0:03:15.881 --> 0:03:21.321 saying originated centuries ago with sheepherders who couldn't sleep until 0:03:21.361 --> 0:03:23.521 they had counted all of their sheep to make sure 0:03:23.521 --> 0:03:27.561 none were missing. And that intuitively makes sense, doesn't it. 0:03:27.561 --> 0:03:30.521 You're looking after a flock, you can't sleep until you've 0:03:30.561 --> 0:03:32.481 counted the sheep. But maybe they never got to the 0:03:32.521 --> 0:03:34.641 end of it, so like, okay, I'm just counting them. 0:03:37.361 --> 0:03:39.241 The wolf would come in and go got he's started 0:03:39.241 --> 0:03:43.721 to count the sheep. Just wait till you's asleep. Random thought. 0:03:43.841 --> 0:03:44.241 Very good. 0:03:44.881 --> 0:03:46.281 We want to know how you get to sleep. But 0:03:46.361 --> 0:03:51.121 if you have a question around any problems with sleep, 0:03:51.121 --> 0:03:53.241 whether you've got interrupted sleepy wake up in the middle 0:03:53.241 --> 0:03:56.681 of the night, or you've got you know, you've got 0:03:56.721 --> 0:03:58.921 problems on your mind, and how do you deal with 0:03:59.081 --> 0:04:01.241 you know, certain changes that impact your life, I mean 0:04:01.881 --> 0:04:07.281 having kids. Well that's actually I don't recall having problems 0:04:07.361 --> 0:04:10.241 with sleep in terms of getting back to sleep. It 0:04:10.281 --> 0:04:11.881 was just the fact that it was interrupted. 0:04:11.921 --> 0:04:14.921 But I guess yeah, interrupted to sleep with children, I 0:04:14.961 --> 0:04:18.081 mean as they learn to sleep, because they have to 0:04:18.401 --> 0:04:21.001 learn that process and being confident about it. You know, 0:04:21.001 --> 0:04:24.521 when you're dealing with an eighteen month or two year old, 0:04:24.601 --> 0:04:28.721 then it can be quite challenging. When they get to five, six, 0:04:28.801 --> 0:04:32.241 seven age, they've got lots of melatonin. It's the golden 0:04:32.321 --> 0:04:34.801 years of sleep. Generally sort of in that pre Puberdah 0:04:34.841 --> 0:04:37.201 group is a really good sleepers generally, Oh you. 0:04:37.241 --> 0:04:40.361 Just mentioned melatonin, so they have a lot of melitony. Yeah, 0:04:41.641 --> 0:04:44.601 that may instantly, I thought, and there'll be people listening, going, 0:04:44.641 --> 0:04:46.681 Does that mean I can take melatonin it will help 0:04:46.721 --> 0:04:47.521 me help me sleep? 0:04:47.641 --> 0:04:49.721 No, it needs to be your melatonin in your brain, 0:04:49.961 --> 0:04:51.801 not melotone and you take into your tummy. 0:04:52.601 --> 0:04:57.121 How disappointing. Well, I mean it does inhaling it. 0:04:58.241 --> 0:05:02.001 We do use it for asd adhd children who are 0:05:02.001 --> 0:05:04.881 particularly hyper, and it can just calm them down. It's 0:05:04.921 --> 0:05:07.401 a soper if you kids a calmer down rather than 0:05:07.441 --> 0:05:09.241 a it's not a sleeping pill. 0:05:09.761 --> 0:05:11.481 By the way, it's worth pointing out, and this is 0:05:11.521 --> 0:05:13.681 me stepping out somee remit really, but if you go 0:05:13.721 --> 0:05:15.321 into a health food shop and they tell you that 0:05:15.361 --> 0:05:18.761 they've got melatonin, it will be the homeopathic version, which 0:05:18.801 --> 0:05:23.641 is donated one in one hundred times times thirty times. 0:05:23.721 --> 0:05:25.521 So they delute it one one hundred and delute it, 0:05:25.601 --> 0:05:27.521 then delute it and diluted, than delut it. It's not 0:05:27.561 --> 0:05:29.561 me at thirty then delute it, then delut But so 0:05:29.641 --> 0:05:31.761 it's not actually really melantonin. 0:05:31.921 --> 0:05:34.801 No, No, that's exactly right. You don't need very much, 0:05:34.921 --> 0:05:37.561 but you know, very small amount, but it will all 0:05:37.561 --> 0:05:39.481 to your circadian phase. In other words, the time when 0:05:39.481 --> 0:05:41.081 you go to go to sleep and when you wake 0:05:41.201 --> 0:05:45.361 up rather than being an actually sleeping pill. 0:05:45.761 --> 0:05:49.601 Are people's sleep habits. I'm asking for my own point 0:05:49.601 --> 0:05:51.881 of view because I do overnight talk, but just twice 0:05:51.881 --> 0:05:54.681 a week. But I've noticed, because I've done had two 0:05:54.761 --> 0:05:57.161 or three weeks not doing that, that on Wednesday and 0:05:57.201 --> 0:06:02.321 Thursday nights or mornings Wednesday Thursday mornings when I would 0:06:02.321 --> 0:06:04.481 normally be sleeping after an overnight, even though I haven't 0:06:04.481 --> 0:06:07.241 done them, Almost like my body has got a weekly 0:06:07.281 --> 0:06:11.361 clock that knows these two days because it's weird. Maybe 0:06:11.401 --> 0:06:15.081 it's just what's the word psychosomatic or something, Yeah. 0:06:14.921 --> 0:06:17.041 To a degree, it's going to be that I'm ensure 0:06:17.041 --> 0:06:21.201 your body gets used to a certain rhythm and who knows. 0:06:22.441 --> 0:06:24.841 So the other question I had, and by the way, 0:06:24.921 --> 0:06:28.201 you can call any time if you've got some questions 0:06:28.201 --> 0:06:32.121 for Alex, because anything from sleep app now to well 0:06:32.441 --> 0:06:34.641 the restless legs thing always crops up at some stage. 0:06:34.641 --> 0:06:36.681 We've got any questions about getting a good night sleep, 0:06:36.841 --> 0:06:38.521 then we want to hear from you. Or if you've 0:06:38.521 --> 0:06:40.801 found something that works for you, then you share it 0:06:40.801 --> 0:06:45.201 with us and we'll and we'll debunk it. I'm just kidding. 0:06:46.241 --> 0:06:49.321 The other one I'm interested about is and again it 0:06:49.361 --> 0:06:52.041 could just be the pacebo effect. That's the one I'm 0:06:52.081 --> 0:06:58.121 looking for. I I'm so shallow on this. I was 0:06:58.121 --> 0:07:02.121 watching Showgun, which is an amazing series, and they were 0:07:02.121 --> 0:07:04.121 having a green tea ceremony and I thought I might 0:07:04.161 --> 0:07:07.241 have some jasmine tea and I slipped like a log 0:07:07.721 --> 0:07:10.601 jasmine t just and I was wondering, are there certain 0:07:10.641 --> 0:07:13.841 substances that if you do drink them, that maybe do assist, 0:07:13.921 --> 0:07:16.241 you know, like a hot glass glass of hot milk 0:07:16.361 --> 0:07:17.521 or milk. 0:07:17.641 --> 0:07:19.761 Milk has been the traditional one, and that's got the 0:07:19.801 --> 0:07:21.681 ideas that it's got trip to fan in it, so 0:07:21.761 --> 0:07:25.041 that converts eventually to five ourduty trip to fan. It's 0:07:25.081 --> 0:07:27.641 five HTP you can buy over the counter. Then that 0:07:27.761 --> 0:07:30.361 goes to five aducty trip to mean, which is serotonin, 0:07:30.561 --> 0:07:34.561 and serotonin converts to melatonin. So in theory, taking milk 0:07:34.761 --> 0:07:36.481 with trip to fan and it will help you go 0:07:36.521 --> 0:07:38.161 to sleep because it increases your melatonin. 0:07:38.601 --> 0:07:40.721 The milk does have trip to fan and yes, okay, 0:07:40.721 --> 0:07:41.881 so you don't need to add in too. 0:07:42.161 --> 0:07:43.121 No, no, it's got trips. 0:07:43.401 --> 0:07:44.961 Okay, so just drink milk. 0:07:45.081 --> 0:07:47.761 Well, but except that it takes probably several hours to 0:07:47.761 --> 0:07:52.361 get through the system into creating brain melt. And it's 0:07:52.361 --> 0:07:54.121 got to go into the gut. It goes first part 0:07:54.161 --> 0:07:56.281 through the liver, then it goes into the bloodstream across 0:07:56.321 --> 0:07:58.601 the blood brain barrier. You know, the best way into 0:07:58.641 --> 0:08:01.441 your brain as far as melatonin is concerned, is through 0:08:01.441 --> 0:08:04.241 the eyes. The eyes, it hits your retina. 0:08:04.561 --> 0:08:05.841 What does the light? 0:08:06.081 --> 0:08:08.761 The light hits your written It suppresses melotonin, gets rid 0:08:08.801 --> 0:08:09.441 of melotonin. 0:08:09.841 --> 0:08:11.641 Blue light, yes, blue light. 0:08:11.361 --> 0:08:16.601 Well outside light light. It starts producing serotonin. And we 0:08:16.681 --> 0:08:19.641 know that blue green light is very you know, it's 0:08:19.681 --> 0:08:23.801 good for producing this happy hormone if you like. And serotonin, 0:08:23.841 --> 0:08:26.321 as I said, converts to melotonin. But it's all happening 0:08:26.321 --> 0:08:28.641 in your brain rather than through your tummy and through 0:08:28.641 --> 0:08:29.321 your bloodstream. 0:08:29.401 --> 0:08:31.281 And so just to clarify this for me, so when 0:08:31.321 --> 0:08:33.481 I opened the curtains in the morning, and that's the daylight, 0:08:34.201 --> 0:08:37.001 is it what kicks in? The blue light triggers. 0:08:36.641 --> 0:08:40.881 What it suppresses, melotonin, suppresses, gets rid of melatonin, it 0:08:40.961 --> 0:08:44.041 starts to producing zerotone. But remember the indoor light is 0:08:44.081 --> 0:08:47.201 pathetic compared to that door light. So indoor light you know, 0:08:47.241 --> 0:08:49.401 in an office where we are now, is probably no 0:08:49.481 --> 0:08:53.121 more than four or five hundred lucks in him, always 0:08:53.201 --> 0:08:56.001 less than a thousand lucks indoors outside, even on a 0:08:56.001 --> 0:08:57.881 cloudy day like it is today, it's going to be 0:08:57.881 --> 0:09:01.441 something like forty to fifty thousand lucks. It's completely different outside, 0:09:01.481 --> 0:09:03.081 and that's what our brains have been used to for 0:09:03.561 --> 0:09:07.601 thousands of years, and the outside light has been blue 0:09:07.641 --> 0:09:10.161 and green, so that's been a natural environment. So I 0:09:10.201 --> 0:09:12.161 love blue green outside. 0:09:11.681 --> 0:09:13.761 And that wakes her up. But that serotonin during the 0:09:13.761 --> 0:09:16.201 course of the day converts to malotonin, which happens light. 0:09:16.521 --> 0:09:20.801 Got it. Oh, so unless you've said this before, So 0:09:21.281 --> 0:09:23.801 the thing is when you get up, you should get 0:09:23.841 --> 0:09:27.201 outside early on and get that serotonin kicked in because 0:09:27.241 --> 0:09:29.041 that will also it's like an investment in the bank 0:09:29.041 --> 0:09:30.121 from when you need to go to sleep. 0:09:30.201 --> 0:09:34.561 Absolutely, yeah, that's outside light. What our ancestors didn't have 0:09:34.721 --> 0:09:37.721 was glare, So they didn't have chilchu buildings on concrete 0:09:37.721 --> 0:09:40.921 slabs and time academus. They had trees and plants, and 0:09:40.961 --> 0:09:43.401 so this intense light hits the earth and you're scattered 0:09:43.801 --> 0:09:46.681 blue green. That wakes us up, makes us feel good 0:09:46.761 --> 0:09:48.881 and then all that conversed. So when your mum said 0:09:48.881 --> 0:09:51.121 to you many years ago, for example, your sleep light 0:09:51.201 --> 0:09:53.961 in their tonight did because you've had lots of fresh air. 0:09:54.161 --> 0:09:55.881 You've heard the fresh air. It's not fresh air because 0:09:55.881 --> 0:09:58.881 you've been outside. It's the light. So, for instance, my 0:09:59.001 --> 0:10:00.601 daughter when she wakes up, if she's a little bit 0:10:00.641 --> 0:10:03.401 tired and grumpy and she's open to curtains, she actually 0:10:03.481 --> 0:10:05.641 can step out onto the deck of she open the door, 0:10:05.881 --> 0:10:07.801 I should just say step outside for a minute or two, 0:10:07.841 --> 0:10:09.801 and then maybe we'll get a slightly different atitude when 0:10:09.841 --> 0:10:13.281 you come upstairs. No thing, okay, we want to hear 0:10:13.281 --> 0:10:16.041 all your questions on sleep by the wait, sorry, just 0:10:16.121 --> 0:10:18.161 quickly before we go to our call up. The jasmine 0:10:18.161 --> 0:10:20.121 tea thing and anything. 0:10:20.401 --> 0:10:25.481 Probably not at least it's not caffeinated at least okay, Well. 0:10:25.681 --> 0:10:28.401 Does tea have much caffeine and generally black tea? 0:10:28.521 --> 0:10:32.161 No, Well, a five minute brew of tea gum boot 0:10:32.201 --> 0:10:35.281 tea is going to be about fifty milligrams of caffeine. 0:10:34.801 --> 0:10:37.921 One hundred milligrams of caffeine is a no dose tablet, 0:10:38.481 --> 0:10:42.481 so sort of linking it to that, about fifty milligrams 0:10:42.481 --> 0:10:44.841 for five minute group. A good strong brew of tea, 0:10:45.081 --> 0:10:47.121 dipping it out of a tea bay of an earl 0:10:47.161 --> 0:10:48.641 gray tea bag is not going to be very much 0:10:48.641 --> 0:10:48.881 at all. 0:10:48.961 --> 0:10:51.121 Okay, And I keep on saying I'm going to the 0:10:51.161 --> 0:10:53.281 break and take calls. But there's one follow up question. 0:10:53.361 --> 0:10:58.481 You mentioned one hundred milligrams of caffeine, so a flat 0:10:58.481 --> 0:11:00.481 white has about one hundred and twenty one hundred and forty, 0:11:00.561 --> 0:11:02.361 So forget the no dose, just to go and have 0:11:02.401 --> 0:11:03.481 a cup of coffee. 0:11:03.161 --> 0:11:05.801 Absolutely and espresso doubles show to expressed, it's going to 0:11:05.841 --> 0:11:08.041 be about one hundred and twenty absolutely excellent. 0:11:08.081 --> 0:11:10.241 This is great stuff. We want your questions. Of course, 0:11:10.241 --> 0:11:13.201 we've got plenty of texts coming in and totally what 0:11:13.281 --> 0:11:15.241 Let's kick it off with the call Terry, Hello. 0:11:16.201 --> 0:11:20.281 Goody, how are you right? So I've got good So 0:11:20.321 --> 0:11:22.201 I've been happy to be marriage for twenty five years 0:11:22.921 --> 0:11:26.681 and my wife suddenly going through menopauses. It's affected to 0:11:26.721 --> 0:11:30.281 asleep dramatically. So the side part, or the bad part 0:11:30.281 --> 0:11:32.961 for me is that now my snoring has become an issue. 0:11:33.521 --> 0:11:35.881 So first of all, I jumped on a snore app 0:11:36.641 --> 0:11:40.441 snall lamb. I think it seems the most popular. Figured out, okay, 0:11:40.521 --> 0:11:42.801 I am snoring and it is quite loud. So the 0:11:42.881 --> 0:11:45.361 next thing to doing some research found out about the 0:11:45.441 --> 0:11:49.121 jaw dropping, which apparently flocks up the airways. So I 0:11:49.161 --> 0:11:53.641 looked online with this psora of massive amount of options 0:11:53.681 --> 0:11:55.481 I could do. So there was all these mouth guards, 0:11:55.641 --> 0:11:58.361 which I ordered one when I arrived. It's like having 0:11:58.361 --> 0:12:01.361 two oranges in your mouth. So I have evern't tried that. 0:12:01.401 --> 0:12:03.401 You know, I will try it, but I'm currently using 0:12:03.441 --> 0:12:06.961 what's called a snoring which works on electromegas. I wunning 0:12:07.001 --> 0:12:09.401 what your feedback for thoses, because it seems to be 0:12:10.121 --> 0:12:12.561 that it's decreased by snoring. Has it stopped it all again? 0:12:12.641 --> 0:12:14.361 But it certainly seems to decrease it over a two 0:12:14.401 --> 0:12:17.641 week periods. So wondering is it psychological or is there 0:12:17.641 --> 0:12:21.881 actually something with this hypropoint. 0:12:22.281 --> 0:12:24.321 To be honest, I've not come across as snoring. Where 0:12:24.321 --> 0:12:24.961 do you wear it? 0:12:26.881 --> 0:12:28.121 You were on your little finger. 0:12:30.401 --> 0:12:33.321 I'm not sure. I really wouldn't know why that would work. 0:12:34.801 --> 0:12:37.401 So supposed to be it's got magnets on the two 0:12:37.481 --> 0:12:40.841 sides that work with Yeah, I mean half the research 0:12:40.961 --> 0:12:44.121 is it's rubbish? Half the research, Well, research it's online. 0:12:44.721 --> 0:12:48.081 Sorry, right, okay, yeah, no, understood. Well, I mean I 0:12:48.081 --> 0:12:49.921 can't see why it would work. I mean, the fact 0:12:49.961 --> 0:12:52.881 that it's getting better is good news. That's fine. There's 0:12:52.881 --> 0:12:57.441 no question that menopause does interrupt sleep, but it's it's 0:12:57.841 --> 0:12:59.601 so your wife is, in other words, is much more 0:12:59.641 --> 0:13:06.441 awake now than she perhaps was ten years ago. Well, 0:13:07.081 --> 0:13:10.601 as far as you're concernered, yeah, I mean, if you 0:13:10.761 --> 0:13:14.241 are doing the small lab app then if you're having 0:13:14.281 --> 0:13:19.521 some severe or epic snoring, and I think at there 0:13:19.521 --> 0:13:22.561 are two top levels, you've almost certainly got some sleep 0:13:22.561 --> 0:13:25.601 happen here, So you almost certainly have some sleep apener 0:13:25.641 --> 0:13:27.681 as well, and that would be worth checking out, and 0:13:27.721 --> 0:13:29.921 we do certainly do some testing on that. 0:13:31.521 --> 0:13:33.401 Yeah, it seems to be about twenty five percent of 0:13:33.481 --> 0:13:35.721 the time I'm asleep. It seems to be as soon 0:13:35.761 --> 0:13:39.641 as I've fall asleep. It's not long after or before 0:13:39.641 --> 0:13:41.521 I have to get up. Thanks to the times during 0:13:41.521 --> 0:13:43.081 the middle, not too. 0:13:42.921 --> 0:13:45.561 Bad, it seems to be, ok yeah, yeah, and it 0:13:45.601 --> 0:13:48.521 will vary night by night, yeah, very a little bit 0:13:48.601 --> 0:13:51.081 night by night. But you know, getting your snoring out 0:13:51.201 --> 0:13:54.241 just for your own health is probably a good idea 0:13:54.681 --> 0:13:58.761 and your wife might consider looking at her her menopause 0:13:58.841 --> 0:14:01.481 or symptoms if she's getting a lot of flushing, particularly 0:14:01.521 --> 0:14:03.241 which might be waking here in the middle of the night. 0:14:03.401 --> 0:14:05.561 Hey, Terry, did you did you do? You know you're 0:14:05.561 --> 0:14:06.961 not sleeping in the middle of the night, but did 0:14:07.001 --> 0:14:09.001 you record? I missed that? But how do you know 0:14:09.081 --> 0:14:09.441 it's just. 0:14:09.401 --> 0:14:11.761 Snoring through the. 0:14:15.001 --> 0:14:18.561 Yeah, you're basically plugging at your pone. Put it and 0:14:18.561 --> 0:14:22.161 the records you during the night. And did you recording that? 0:14:22.201 --> 0:14:24.441 You've got different points you're moving along and listen it 0:14:24.441 --> 0:14:25.441 shows you a Graand. 0:14:27.721 --> 0:14:29.761 Sorry, just dropping out there, mate, But I get it. 0:14:29.801 --> 0:14:34.481 So I just messed that. But I guess because I 0:14:34.521 --> 0:14:37.161 was thinking maybe that if he was being monitored by 0:14:37.161 --> 0:14:40.041 his partner, but where he wasn't snoring was because she 0:14:40.081 --> 0:14:40.801 had fallen asleep. 0:14:43.601 --> 0:14:45.761 Now, the problem with small app as well, which is 0:14:45.801 --> 0:14:48.881 an excellent app, which is a free app, is that 0:14:48.921 --> 0:14:51.841 it will measure any noise. So if his wife is snoring, 0:14:51.841 --> 0:14:54.001 for example, it will measure her snoring as well. So 0:14:54.281 --> 0:14:57.161 we usually use that when people are sleeping by themselves. 0:14:58.241 --> 0:15:00.081 Okay, well that intuitive makes sense. 0:15:00.081 --> 0:15:03.681 Obviously it's measuring noise basically, so it doesn't matter where 0:15:03.681 --> 0:15:04.361 they come from. 0:15:04.601 --> 0:15:08.801 Yeah, continuous farting, it would probably pick up as well. Anyway, 0:15:08.841 --> 0:15:10.401 we're going to take your calls. I eight one hundred 0:15:10.441 --> 0:15:13.281 eighty ten eighty. Any questions about getting a good night's sleep, 0:15:13.601 --> 0:15:15.801 or you've got young kids you won't sleep, or you 0:15:15.801 --> 0:15:21.401 you intermittent sleeper problems, snoring, sleep ap near give us 0:15:21.441 --> 0:15:24.361 a call. Alex Bartell, he's the owner of sleep Well Clinic, 0:15:24.441 --> 0:15:27.081 is with us. It is twenty two minutes past four 0:15:27.121 --> 0:15:28.601 and news talk to you b I eight hundred eighty 0:15:28.601 --> 0:15:34.601 ten eighty. In the summer time, when a well who 0:15:34.721 --> 0:15:35.481 is high you. 0:15:35.441 --> 0:15:37.921 Can change find now benders this guy. 0:15:38.161 --> 0:15:41.081 When the weather's fine, you go, women, you go, women 0:15:41.201 --> 0:15:46.041 on your mind, average drink cabageob. 0:15:45.721 --> 0:15:46.481 And welcome back. 0:15:46.601 --> 0:15:46.761 Well. 0:15:46.801 --> 0:15:48.921 That song is sort of about some sunlight, which is 0:15:48.921 --> 0:15:50.881 how you get the serotonin cracking which gives you the 0:15:50.881 --> 0:15:54.361 melotone later on, as we understand from my guest Alex Bartle, 0:15:54.441 --> 0:15:56.361 owner of a sleepwealth clinic. Alex, just before we go 0:15:56.361 --> 0:15:59.561 to our callers, you thought you might enjoy this text. 0:15:59.601 --> 0:16:02.121 My husband has a sea pap machine, which as we know, 0:16:02.161 --> 0:16:04.601 it's for sleep up now and sleeps very peacefully. But 0:16:04.601 --> 0:16:07.121 apparently I wake them up now because I grind my teeth. 0:16:08.121 --> 0:16:08.961 What would cause that. 0:16:10.161 --> 0:16:12.801 Or tooth grinding? There are a number of issues there, 0:16:12.841 --> 0:16:14.561 of course. One of course, it tends to be worse 0:16:14.601 --> 0:16:17.361 when you're stressed. It tends to be perhaps it tends 0:16:17.361 --> 0:16:19.401 to be a bit of familial. But it's also worse 0:16:19.441 --> 0:16:23.041 with sleep apnea. So actually treating sleep apnea will actually 0:16:23.201 --> 0:16:26.961 often help this bruxism or teeth grinding. But otherwise your 0:16:27.041 --> 0:16:30.281 dentist will provide you with a grinding plate. 0:16:30.641 --> 0:16:33.201 We also had a question from someone about that if 0:16:33.241 --> 0:16:36.201 you have sleep problems as it covered by health insurance. 0:16:37.761 --> 0:16:42.641 Not all Southern Cross does n IB That doesn't. 0:16:42.441 --> 0:16:43.561 Depends on your cover doesn't. 0:16:43.561 --> 0:16:48.601 It doesn't at all. Southern Cross does variably depend on 0:16:48.601 --> 0:16:49.481 what level you've got. 0:16:49.801 --> 0:16:52.761 Okay, so check it out. If you do want to 0:16:53.281 --> 0:16:55.241 get some treatment and you're worried about the cost of 0:16:55.241 --> 0:16:56.721 it and you've got health insurance, it. 0:16:56.681 --> 0:16:58.721 Gives a ring because the clinic can always check it 0:16:58.721 --> 0:16:59.761 out for you if you're not sure. 0:16:59.801 --> 0:17:03.081 Good stuff, Yeah, excellent, right, let's carry on leus. 0:17:03.121 --> 0:17:06.881 Hello you, good afternoon guys. 0:17:08.081 --> 0:17:11.161 My son and daughter and I've got two children, a 0:17:12.241 --> 0:17:15.081 daughter of five, and a half and the granddaughter grandson 0:17:15.121 --> 0:17:17.321 of three and a half. Now, the grandson is not 0:17:17.441 --> 0:17:21.321 sleeping past five five point thirty every morning, so come 0:17:21.361 --> 0:17:25.321 the end of the week, everybody's just absolutely wrecked. He 0:17:25.361 --> 0:17:28.761 goes to bed at a regular time, he's eating like 0:17:28.881 --> 0:17:32.281 every meals, the last supper. Just don't know how we 0:17:32.321 --> 0:17:34.641 can stretch in that extra hour hour on the quarter 0:17:34.761 --> 0:17:35.281 in the morning. 0:17:36.881 --> 0:17:38.681 I'm not sure that I can help you there, because 0:17:38.961 --> 0:17:42.561 waking time is pretty biologically driven in pre puberty in 0:17:42.601 --> 0:17:46.081 that young age group. And even if he went to 0:17:46.161 --> 0:17:48.721 bed at I went to sleep at midnight, he'd probably 0:17:48.761 --> 0:17:55.641 still wake at five point thirty. Yeah, yeah, And when 0:17:55.641 --> 0:17:58.441 he becomes a teenager then he'll start sleeping in probably, 0:17:58.521 --> 0:18:00.961 But at this stage it doesn't matter what time they 0:18:01.001 --> 0:18:02.481 go to bed, they tend to wake up much the 0:18:02.481 --> 0:18:04.881 same time. I guess keeping the room as dark as 0:18:04.881 --> 0:18:09.401 you can to try and keep his sleep going as 0:18:09.441 --> 0:18:11.081 long as you can would be the only thing I 0:18:11.121 --> 0:18:14.841 can suggest. Presumably he's getting enough sleep by the sound 0:18:14.881 --> 0:18:16.121 of it, he sleeps well. 0:18:16.641 --> 0:18:21.001 Hey, lis is he in his own room? 0:18:21.361 --> 0:18:21.521 Yes? 0:18:21.561 --> 0:18:21.921 He is. 0:18:23.521 --> 0:18:25.401 I just remember with our daughters that what might not 0:18:25.441 --> 0:18:28.601 have been five thirty, but once they got you say, three, 0:18:28.801 --> 0:18:30.121 about three or four years old. 0:18:30.001 --> 0:18:30.121 Is he? 0:18:31.481 --> 0:18:34.761 Yeah, he'll be He'll be four next March, so it's 0:18:35.041 --> 0:18:36.081 probably three and a half. 0:18:36.721 --> 0:18:38.681 I mean. The only thing this is not this is 0:18:38.721 --> 0:18:40.881 outside of the sleep doctor sort of thing, but the 0:18:40.881 --> 0:18:43.041 only thing. We had a daughter who used to wake 0:18:43.121 --> 0:18:46.081 up a little bit earlier, and we just said, you know, 0:18:46.601 --> 0:18:48.241 she knews how to read the time, and we'd just 0:18:48.281 --> 0:18:50.801 be like, you know, we choose a book before she 0:18:50.881 --> 0:18:53.161 went to bed, and if you wake up at this time, 0:18:53.481 --> 0:18:56.121 you are to read the book until x o'clock and 0:18:56.161 --> 0:18:58.161 then we'll come and see you. I don't know if 0:18:58.161 --> 0:18:59.801 that helps. 0:18:59.321 --> 0:19:00.801 They've got him. 0:19:00.881 --> 0:19:03.161 They've got both him and his sister a clock because 0:19:03.161 --> 0:19:05.681 his sister used to do that but not so and 0:19:05.721 --> 0:19:08.601 when it goes a certain color, that's when you get up, 0:19:08.801 --> 0:19:10.601 and they've sort of got that shit for like a 0:19:10.681 --> 0:19:13.921 quarter past six. But yeah, he's just he's just waking 0:19:14.001 --> 0:19:15.041 up when the sun the yellow. 0:19:15.361 --> 0:19:17.121 I mean, if he lives to be a teenager, then 0:19:17.521 --> 0:19:18.641