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Speaker 1: As we mentioned yesterday, is about this time that we

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Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of Labor in Peace suspended, sive

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Speaker 1: of them, one of them was Epsana Began.

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Speaker 2: It's something that's been going on for some time, and

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Speaker 2: there is widespread popular support for scrapping the two child

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Speaker 2: benefit cap, which we know at many think tanks, research

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Speaker 2: organizations and anti poverty charities have said very clearly it

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Speaker 2: would immediately lift out hundreds and thousands of children from poverty.

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Speaker 1: And so there's the debate. Anyway, Rod Rod Little is

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Speaker 1: with us Morning.

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Speaker 3: Mac, Good morning mate.

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Speaker 1: We played a little cap from one of the suspend

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Speaker 1: these from the Labor Party, one of the SIVEN and

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Speaker 1: she seems somewhat surprised that she'd been suspended. Other what

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Speaker 1: are these people thick or they didn't realize the rules

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Speaker 1: of what's gone on.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting it took Boris Johnson a couple of

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Speaker 3: years before he lost seven MP's to buy who voted

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Speaker 3: against him. It's taken Sakia three weeks. This was a

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Speaker 3: vote on child ben you know, should we pay child

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Speaker 3: benefit regardless of how many children people have. The Tories

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Speaker 3: put a cap on two, and the Sakia Starmar's put

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Speaker 3: a cap on two. This has led to a large

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Speaker 3: number of left wing MPs and activists within the party

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Speaker 3: changing the name of Sakir Starma to Sir Kid Starver,

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Speaker 3: which is quite neat. It's caused trouble for the Labor Party,

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that. Obviously. The government won its

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Speaker 3: vote on This was an SNP amendment, a Scottish National

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Speaker 3: Party amendment about scrapping the cap on two children for

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Speaker 3: child benefit. The government won with great ease. But not

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Speaker 3: only were the seven people voting against, including an intelligent

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Speaker 3: person John McDonald, as well as six morons, but there

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Speaker 3: were also fourty of Labor MPs, including a few I

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Speaker 3: know quite well and some of whom are friends who

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Speaker 3: refuse to vote at all. And it, as one Labor

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Speaker 3: MP said to me the other day off the record,

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Speaker 3: so I won't give the name. There are going to

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Speaker 3: be many, many very hard fights ahead with this.

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Speaker 1: Government exactly, which is my next question? Is this going

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Speaker 1: to be And we talked about this before, part of

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Speaker 1: the size of the muster. When you win that big,

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Speaker 1: you get a lot of people in there that are

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Speaker 1: going to cause you trouble.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is yes, it is, though I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that the size of the majority matters that much.

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Speaker 3: What matters is the degree to which the Kirstarma differs

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Speaker 3: at heart and a core from the vast majority of

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Speaker 3: the Labor Party activists, who I suspect if you pold

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Speaker 3: all the Labor Party activists this afternoon, ninety percent of

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Speaker 3: them would have been in favor of those seven people

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Speaker 3: who voted against. So, you know, I think that is

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Speaker 3: the problem in a way, you know, we compare it

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Speaker 3: to the Tony Blair years. Tony Blair sorted out the

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Speaker 3: party before he got into office. Skiers half sorted it out,

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Speaker 3: but it's not quite there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Yesterday on the program Before We Leave Politics,

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Speaker 1: I featured a little bit of James Cleverly hit the

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Speaker 1: socials to try and spook himself as the Tory Party leader.

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Speaker 1: Is James Cleverly a man of the future or not?

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Speaker 3: Really? It's so impossible to tell with the Tories, because

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Speaker 3: they always alight upon someone who was entirely improbable to

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Speaker 3: lead them in the end, but because of the nature

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Speaker 3: of their election campaign, I don't think so. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think there are things which are good about him,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think he has the pull with the activists,

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Speaker 3: which for example, Kenny Badenoch has. I don't think or

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Speaker 3: In did Swell a braverman, and I don't think he

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Speaker 3: has the kind of breadth that someone like Tom Tuganhat has,

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Speaker 3: for example. So I think he's probably an outsider. And

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Speaker 3: I've never heard him say anything which interested me or

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Speaker 3: made me think, well, there's an intelligence at work and

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Speaker 3: we ought to look out for this guy. I don't

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Speaker 3: mean that to be rude. He may have said it

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Speaker 3: and I missed it, you know, you know I can't.

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of people put in their

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Speaker 3: stalls out at the moment, And I said to Tom

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Speaker 3: Tuganhat yesterday, who is one of them? Sorry? Tom, you

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Speaker 3: are the only white male in this contest.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with that exactly. Hey, Olympics, miss do Jardan,

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Speaker 1: who isn't going. How much trouble is she? And how

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Speaker 1: big a story is this?

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Speaker 3: It's a big story over here. We don't like that

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. What happened is she's one of our

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Speaker 3: topic questrians. She's in Paris for the Olympics, and she

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Speaker 3: was filmed whipping her horse twenty four times in a

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Speaker 3: rather vindictive manner, I have to say, and certainly what

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Speaker 3: many people have called a sadistic and vicious manner. And

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Speaker 3: she's now been forced to withdraw said she made a misjudgment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, and it has resonated big time here. People

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Speaker 3: are glad that she's no longer in it. The cruelty

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Speaker 3: to animals really really rubs up the British public the

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Speaker 3: wrong way. And you know, if I were James Cleverly,

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Speaker 3: I would cuddle a puppy every time I'm in public.

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Speaker 3: This kind of thing is also important because it tilts

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Speaker 3: into this general animosity towards equestrian sports, which includes horse

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Speaker 3: racing where so many horses die every year, the Grand National,

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Speaker 3: where there's always a casualty every year, and indeed now

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Speaker 3: even into the more genteel your confines of equestrianism. So yes,

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Speaker 3: it has resonated front page of every newspaper and a

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Speaker 3: big deal.

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