1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalks ed B. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:14,907 Speaker 2: We'll get to the football after one, but a rather 4 00:00:15,027 --> 00:00:19,147 Speaker 2: big rugby test tomorrow morning, four o'clock New Zealand time, 5 00:00:19,267 --> 00:00:22,507 Speaker 2: England against the All Blacks, the first meeting since they 6 00:00:22,627 --> 00:00:24,907 Speaker 2: clashed at Eden Park back in July. 7 00:00:26,507 --> 00:00:27,867 Speaker 3: Peneraldy of the All Blacks. 8 00:00:28,347 --> 00:00:32,707 Speaker 4: Penalty to the All Blacks, Neckberry close a whistle. They 9 00:00:32,827 --> 00:00:37,227 Speaker 4: just need to get it into touts Jamie McKenzie kist 10 00:00:37,307 --> 00:00:41,867 Speaker 4: and to Touts and the All Blacks when twenty four seventeen, 11 00:00:42,107 --> 00:00:46,827 Speaker 4: a dramatic finish at Eiden Park, but the records safety 12 00:00:47,667 --> 00:00:50,227 Speaker 4: and the All Blacks win the series to nil and 13 00:00:50,347 --> 00:00:54,827 Speaker 4: another drama filled Test match between these two sides. 14 00:00:55,067 --> 00:00:57,987 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty four to seventeen at Eden Park, a week 15 00:00:58,147 --> 00:01:02,507 Speaker 2: after a sixteen fifteen victory under the roof in Dunedin. 16 00:01:02,627 --> 00:01:05,587 Speaker 2: So too narrow wins for the All Blacks to start 17 00:01:05,627 --> 00:01:09,107 Speaker 2: Scott robertson tenure as head coach. It's a great pleasure 18 00:01:09,107 --> 00:01:11,507 Speaker 2: to welcome back into the show. Rugby World Cup winning 19 00:01:11,547 --> 00:01:16,827 Speaker 2: English midfielder, British and Irish Lions representative and astute rugby 20 00:01:16,867 --> 00:01:21,427 Speaker 2: analyst will Greenwood mbe well, England could easily have won 21 00:01:21,747 --> 00:01:24,187 Speaker 2: one or both of those test matches down here in June. 22 00:01:24,227 --> 00:01:26,987 Speaker 2: How much confidence do you think that gave them? And 23 00:01:27,027 --> 00:01:30,027 Speaker 2: how much confidence does it does it give you that 24 00:01:30,147 --> 00:01:34,947 Speaker 2: England are back among the top few teams in world rugby. 25 00:01:34,907 --> 00:01:38,507 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's such a such a good question because there 26 00:01:38,547 --> 00:01:39,867 Speaker 5: was a there was a run. I met with the 27 00:01:39,907 --> 00:01:44,067 Speaker 5: CEO Bill Swedey back in February just before the Scotland 28 00:01:44,147 --> 00:01:46,627 Speaker 5: game and we looked at England's. 29 00:01:46,387 --> 00:01:49,027 Speaker 3: Next ten actually just after. 30 00:01:48,787 --> 00:01:52,547 Speaker 5: The Scotland game that England had lost, we looked at 31 00:01:52,587 --> 00:01:58,227 Speaker 5: the next ten tests and wow, Ireland home, France, away, Japan, 32 00:01:58,307 --> 00:02:03,027 Speaker 5: New Zealand, New Zealand, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Japan, 33 00:02:03,107 --> 00:02:08,027 Speaker 5: and thinking, geez, they might that they might only win two? 34 00:02:10,307 --> 00:02:12,907 Speaker 5: You could and where do England go next? Because you're 35 00:02:12,907 --> 00:02:15,107 Speaker 5: backing a lot of you're backing Steve Porthfwick for the 36 00:02:15,107 --> 00:02:18,427 Speaker 5: next World Cup. But flips out of it was there 37 00:02:18,507 --> 00:02:22,627 Speaker 5: was starting to be grew green shoots of recovery. They 38 00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:25,267 Speaker 5: could win seven or eight, and we set sail and 39 00:02:25,307 --> 00:02:27,707 Speaker 5: we start to be spoken about a half decent side. 40 00:02:27,747 --> 00:02:30,667 Speaker 3: Now fast forward seven eight months. 41 00:02:31,947 --> 00:02:34,947 Speaker 5: And at the moment the record were last minute drop 42 00:02:34,987 --> 00:02:38,147 Speaker 5: call against Ireland and a comfortable and winning against Japan, 43 00:02:38,307 --> 00:02:40,867 Speaker 5: but get turned over in France, lose two tests in 44 00:02:40,907 --> 00:02:44,987 Speaker 5: New Zealand. It's so difficult to see where England are. 45 00:02:45,147 --> 00:02:48,667 Speaker 5: I think for us to be discussed as a decent 46 00:02:48,907 --> 00:02:53,187 Speaker 5: world class team, now we have to win three out 47 00:02:53,187 --> 00:02:58,107 Speaker 5: of four at home, which sets us up to beat Australia, 48 00:02:58,227 --> 00:03:00,987 Speaker 5: to beat Japan, and we've got to turn over one 49 00:03:00,987 --> 00:03:07,387 Speaker 5: of you or South Africa and on form I think 50 00:03:07,387 --> 00:03:09,507 Speaker 5: we have to identify. 51 00:03:09,627 --> 00:03:12,147 Speaker 3: A victory over New Zealand. 52 00:03:12,187 --> 00:03:18,267 Speaker 5: There's a very realistic, non not overly ambitious target. When 53 00:03:18,307 --> 00:03:22,307 Speaker 5: you consider how close we went on your patch and 54 00:03:22,387 --> 00:03:23,587 Speaker 5: we have you back at ours. 55 00:03:24,467 --> 00:03:27,347 Speaker 2: How different in England side? Do you suspect this will 56 00:03:27,387 --> 00:03:30,067 Speaker 2: be not just in personel, but but in the way 57 00:03:30,067 --> 00:03:32,387 Speaker 2: that they play The break that they've had from that 58 00:03:32,547 --> 00:03:34,907 Speaker 2: which toured New Zealand earlier in the year. 59 00:03:36,227 --> 00:03:38,587 Speaker 3: Not different at all. I see. 60 00:03:39,387 --> 00:03:41,227 Speaker 5: I see the feeling that the way they played with 61 00:03:41,307 --> 00:03:44,627 Speaker 5: pace and with tempo and went at New Zealand the 62 00:03:44,627 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 5: blitz started. I know they don't want to call it 63 00:03:47,187 --> 00:03:51,427 Speaker 5: the blitz, but the hard line speed that is sort 64 00:03:51,467 --> 00:03:52,667 Speaker 5: of the Felix. 65 00:03:52,347 --> 00:03:53,867 Speaker 3: Jones Mark two. 66 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:57,627 Speaker 5: With Joel Abb the new defense coach, they'll come even harder. 67 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:01,747 Speaker 5: They've rushed Henry Slade back after one game in four 68 00:04:01,747 --> 00:04:05,547 Speaker 5: and a half months specifically to lead that charge. So 69 00:04:05,587 --> 00:04:11,427 Speaker 5: I see a lot of consistency about the personnel, about 70 00:04:11,427 --> 00:04:15,307 Speaker 5: the way they're going to play, and the feeling that, yes, 71 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:18,547 Speaker 5: there's two ways of looking at it. I think Kiwi 72 00:04:18,547 --> 00:04:20,667 Speaker 5: fans will go it was a bit of Bolden Barrett 73 00:04:20,667 --> 00:04:25,667 Speaker 5: magic in the first Test. England might say we just 74 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:28,347 Speaker 5: coughed up too much pill and made too many mistakes 75 00:04:28,387 --> 00:04:32,387 Speaker 5: in the first Test, which allowed Bolden Barrett to win it. 76 00:04:32,507 --> 00:04:34,267 Speaker 5: So there's two different ways of looking at it. 77 00:04:34,347 --> 00:04:38,067 Speaker 3: So I really feel England. 78 00:04:39,827 --> 00:04:42,467 Speaker 5: Hugely respective of the all blood, hugely respectful of the 79 00:04:42,507 --> 00:04:46,667 Speaker 5: or bloods, of course, but of a mindset led by 80 00:04:46,747 --> 00:04:53,907 Speaker 5: someone like Jmie George, who is eternally optimistic, hugely ambitious 81 00:04:54,427 --> 00:04:59,507 Speaker 5: and basically as an individual has beaten and won everything 82 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:03,147 Speaker 5: but a World Cup fun a losing finalist in twenty nineteen, 83 00:05:03,987 --> 00:05:09,347 Speaker 5: and he would have his charges absolutely categorically believing there 84 00:05:09,427 --> 00:05:11,667 Speaker 5: is only one result and that is an England win. 85 00:05:11,907 --> 00:05:13,747 Speaker 3: That's what they will be thinking. 86 00:05:14,187 --> 00:05:16,627 Speaker 2: England haven't played a tests since being down here four 87 00:05:16,667 --> 00:05:19,267 Speaker 2: months ago. The All Blacks have played six Rugby Championship 88 00:05:19,267 --> 00:05:22,827 Speaker 2: Taste matches plus VG plus Japan and the time since, well, 89 00:05:22,867 --> 00:05:25,547 Speaker 2: what's more important freshness or being much hardened? 90 00:05:27,267 --> 00:05:29,827 Speaker 5: So well, if you ask Scott Robertson, it's all about 91 00:05:29,867 --> 00:05:32,187 Speaker 5: much hardness and if you ask Steve both the concil 92 00:05:32,227 --> 00:05:38,067 Speaker 5: about freshness. I mean, I think the reality is both 93 00:05:38,707 --> 00:05:42,547 Speaker 5: arguments have historically won the day. But I think if 94 00:05:42,547 --> 00:05:45,427 Speaker 5: you are looking for in the Premier League now we 95 00:05:45,507 --> 00:05:48,747 Speaker 5: have this sort of x G expected goal. 96 00:05:50,027 --> 00:05:52,067 Speaker 3: That a team might score and you. 97 00:05:51,987 --> 00:05:54,867 Speaker 5: Know Man City are up at two point two per game, 98 00:05:55,347 --> 00:05:57,347 Speaker 5: I think there's a scale factor. 99 00:05:57,467 --> 00:05:59,547 Speaker 3: Without bringing mathematics. 100 00:05:58,867 --> 00:06:03,147 Speaker 5: Into it, there's a scale factor that suggests the benefit 101 00:06:03,267 --> 00:06:04,507 Speaker 5: always has to be. 102 00:06:04,387 --> 00:06:06,987 Speaker 3: With the team that has played more recently. 103 00:06:07,987 --> 00:06:13,427 Speaker 5: So absolutely it's it's it's a marginal advantage, but I 104 00:06:13,467 --> 00:06:17,867 Speaker 5: think it is absolutely an advantage that sits with New Zealand. 105 00:06:18,387 --> 00:06:22,027 Speaker 5: But I think that's counted immediately and then some by 106 00:06:22,987 --> 00:06:26,667 Speaker 5: it's it's Twickenham and the last time England played there 107 00:06:27,107 --> 00:06:31,027 Speaker 5: they beat Ireland, who I think at the time were 108 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:33,347 Speaker 5: the second best team in the world behind South Africa 109 00:06:33,387 --> 00:06:35,987 Speaker 5: and went down to South Africa and drew a Test 110 00:06:36,067 --> 00:06:36,747 Speaker 5: Series death. 111 00:06:36,867 --> 00:06:38,987 Speaker 3: So the last time England were there they won. 112 00:06:40,267 --> 00:06:45,827 Speaker 5: They're starting to create a mentality of having a fortress 113 00:06:45,867 --> 00:06:48,467 Speaker 5: twicken them. It's not quite a fortress yet, it's more 114 00:06:48,467 --> 00:06:52,267 Speaker 5: a stronghold. But they turn up and they see the 115 00:06:52,267 --> 00:06:54,467 Speaker 5: Golden Lion. They turn up in the West car Park, 116 00:06:54,867 --> 00:06:58,107 Speaker 5: sort of phrases that will mean a lot to English players. 117 00:06:58,107 --> 00:07:00,347 Speaker 5: They head into the changing room, they see the old 118 00:07:00,427 --> 00:07:03,747 Speaker 5: Victorian claw bats in the changing room, they see the peg. 119 00:07:03,787 --> 00:07:06,387 Speaker 5: They've all changed that this is a this is a 120 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:11,627 Speaker 5: well versed team now and they feel that the New 121 00:07:11,747 --> 00:07:14,827 Speaker 5: Zealand will have to be absolutely they will acknowledge that 122 00:07:14,867 --> 00:07:18,027 Speaker 5: they can be beaten, but they'll still begin starting to 123 00:07:18,067 --> 00:07:20,387 Speaker 5: get a feeling that someone will have to be world 124 00:07:20,507 --> 00:07:22,227 Speaker 5: class to beat them. 125 00:07:22,387 --> 00:07:24,747 Speaker 3: Now. You know, I. 126 00:07:26,987 --> 00:07:30,507 Speaker 5: Read or saw or picked up the New Zealand team. 127 00:07:30,587 --> 00:07:35,067 Speaker 5: That's the Rais has picked. I mean like, wow, if 128 00:07:35,347 --> 00:07:39,627 Speaker 5: if these if your boys click, it's an unb You've 129 00:07:39,627 --> 00:07:42,027 Speaker 5: got an unbelievable footballing. 130 00:07:41,467 --> 00:07:42,907 Speaker 3: Team this weekend. 131 00:07:42,947 --> 00:07:48,867 Speaker 5: If you consider that the handling, the ball playing ability 132 00:07:49,667 --> 00:07:55,467 Speaker 5: of your pack. Via in the second row, the back row, 133 00:07:55,547 --> 00:07:59,947 Speaker 5: Wilson is it sa Titi, Yes, yes, yes, and then. 134 00:07:59,827 --> 00:08:02,627 Speaker 3: I love I love your loose head. 135 00:08:02,787 --> 00:08:04,867 Speaker 5: What I mean people are going to say, well, he's 136 00:08:04,907 --> 00:08:06,547 Speaker 5: just a scrumb and you look at the size them 137 00:08:06,547 --> 00:08:09,627 Speaker 5: and his footballing ability and his naws. 138 00:08:09,867 --> 00:08:12,907 Speaker 3: So England have to knock you out of your rhythm. 139 00:08:12,947 --> 00:08:16,067 Speaker 5: They have to rape, break their ball up, they have 140 00:08:16,107 --> 00:08:18,227 Speaker 5: to break up the set piece, they have to attack 141 00:08:18,347 --> 00:08:21,627 Speaker 5: your line out. And that's why I've both to pick 142 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:26,107 Speaker 5: the team he has picked, to go after, to go after, 143 00:08:26,187 --> 00:08:28,907 Speaker 5: stick at two, front pod, middle, pop back pod, compete 144 00:08:28,907 --> 00:08:32,787 Speaker 5: for everything, Sack Moore's go at the scrum, we have 145 00:08:32,867 --> 00:08:36,787 Speaker 5: to disrupt. Look, I think it's I think it's set 146 00:08:36,827 --> 00:08:38,867 Speaker 5: up for an unbelievable test'ment. I think New Zealand will 147 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:40,787 Speaker 5: be winning at half time. I think England win. 148 00:08:41,507 --> 00:08:44,667 Speaker 2: All right, let's ay look, I don't think you'll get 149 00:08:44,667 --> 00:08:46,427 Speaker 2: too many arguments about how close this is going to 150 00:08:46,427 --> 00:08:47,627 Speaker 2: be and you're sorry, right, well, you look at the 151 00:08:47,627 --> 00:08:50,627 Speaker 2: New Zealand team on paper, but clicking is the thing 152 00:08:50,707 --> 00:08:53,347 Speaker 2: and it hasn't happened across yeah, eighty minutes this year 153 00:08:53,347 --> 00:08:55,187 Speaker 2: for the All Blacks under Scott Robertson, what of you was? 154 00:08:55,467 --> 00:08:57,987 Speaker 2: What assessment have you made of of of the All 155 00:08:58,027 --> 00:08:59,747 Speaker 2: Blacks under Scott Robertson this year? 156 00:09:00,947 --> 00:09:03,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, still trying to find uh. 157 00:09:03,307 --> 00:09:05,827 Speaker 5: You know, he was a guard in Canterbury, right, I 158 00:09:05,827 --> 00:09:09,987 Speaker 5: mean walks on water and it's but it takes time. 159 00:09:10,747 --> 00:09:14,707 Speaker 3: But that to happen on a huge you know, slightly there. 160 00:09:14,747 --> 00:09:17,747 Speaker 5: I said's slightly easier obviously at a super rugby level 161 00:09:17,747 --> 00:09:20,707 Speaker 5: as opposed to Test match level. I think there'll probably 162 00:09:20,707 --> 00:09:22,787 Speaker 5: be an element of frustrating. I think Razor would probably 163 00:09:22,827 --> 00:09:25,787 Speaker 5: have been wanted to be better, faster and would have 164 00:09:25,827 --> 00:09:28,907 Speaker 5: believed he could have got them slightly better, slightly quicker. 165 00:09:29,987 --> 00:09:30,947 Speaker 3: But I'm a. 166 00:09:32,227 --> 00:09:34,747 Speaker 5: Not a disciple and raise, I'm not an apostle. But 167 00:09:35,187 --> 00:09:38,107 Speaker 5: I've worked with him very briefly. I'm a huge fan 168 00:09:38,587 --> 00:09:40,747 Speaker 5: and I know it'll come and I know at some 169 00:09:40,827 --> 00:09:42,387 Speaker 5: stage someone's going to be on the wrong end of 170 00:09:42,387 --> 00:09:49,867 Speaker 5: an absolute hiding and he will make New Zealand a force. 171 00:09:50,027 --> 00:09:51,667 Speaker 5: I mean you'll say, well, of course you're already at 172 00:09:51,707 --> 00:09:54,387 Speaker 5: force because of New Zealand, but I think he can 173 00:09:54,707 --> 00:09:58,827 Speaker 5: make this New Zealand squad a force to rival some 174 00:09:58,907 --> 00:10:00,747 Speaker 5: of the teams that you've had in the last twenty 175 00:10:00,747 --> 00:10:04,387 Speaker 5: twenty five years. I absolutely passionately believe that, so as 176 00:10:04,387 --> 00:10:07,107 Speaker 5: an Englishman, I hope it's not this week, But in 177 00:10:07,187 --> 00:10:09,827 Speaker 5: terms of their ability, their error count has just I 178 00:10:09,867 --> 00:10:13,787 Speaker 5: think as they're trying new things, he's he's he's used 179 00:10:13,827 --> 00:10:16,427 Speaker 5: a lot of players who's had a really good look. 180 00:10:17,067 --> 00:10:22,387 Speaker 5: He's starting to settle players now, like of the caliber 181 00:10:22,427 --> 00:10:25,867 Speaker 5: of Vine in the second row. They're still so young 182 00:10:25,947 --> 00:10:28,947 Speaker 5: in their career, but starting to look like, Wow, there's 183 00:10:28,947 --> 00:10:32,627 Speaker 5: the next there's the next Brodie retallic Ah. You're just 184 00:10:33,307 --> 00:10:40,147 Speaker 5: starting to see combinations work and build selection wise, I 185 00:10:40,227 --> 00:10:43,787 Speaker 5: was supremely interested to see that he's gone with the 186 00:10:43,787 --> 00:10:46,547 Speaker 5: three barracks but mostly put in Bowden at ten and 187 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:52,147 Speaker 5: McKenzie on the bench because I think, man, that your 188 00:10:52,147 --> 00:10:55,827 Speaker 5: boy McKenzie. I would love to have played in a 189 00:10:55,907 --> 00:10:58,667 Speaker 5: team with him at ten. And that's saying something when 190 00:10:58,667 --> 00:11:01,187 Speaker 5: you're saying I'd have picked him over Boden and and 191 00:11:01,187 --> 00:11:04,507 Speaker 5: and perhaps brought Boden off in off the bench. Will 192 00:11:04,587 --> 00:11:07,187 Speaker 5: Jordan's a worlding So look, there's so much to like 193 00:11:07,187 --> 00:11:10,067 Speaker 5: about this team. You're absolutely right that the kicking game 194 00:11:10,107 --> 00:11:12,707 Speaker 5: hasn't quite been right at times. Occasionally the set piece, 195 00:11:12,947 --> 00:11:14,467 Speaker 5: certainly the line out against England. 196 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:16,587 Speaker 3: I think I don't know the numbers, but fell apart. 197 00:11:17,347 --> 00:11:18,627 Speaker 3: Uh and that's. 198 00:11:18,427 --> 00:11:20,907 Speaker 5: Why then will be so disappointed they didn't win one 199 00:11:20,907 --> 00:11:23,587 Speaker 5: of the tests when they if you control the touchline, 200 00:11:23,627 --> 00:11:29,107 Speaker 5: you should win games. So I'm not gonna say I'm 201 00:11:29,107 --> 00:11:31,867 Speaker 5: not gonna sit on fence. There's so many different subplots 202 00:11:32,547 --> 00:11:36,187 Speaker 5: to this game. I think it's awesome and the reality 203 00:11:36,307 --> 00:11:38,347 Speaker 5: I think the whole all black talk is awesome because 204 00:11:38,907 --> 00:11:41,507 Speaker 5: you played France, right, you play Ireland on a Friday night, 205 00:11:41,987 --> 00:11:46,067 Speaker 5: and who's the fourth game You've got Italy, so you 206 00:11:46,587 --> 00:11:48,387 Speaker 5: might have a you might have a nice you playing 207 00:11:48,387 --> 00:11:50,147 Speaker 5: that in Rome, or you're going to Juventus for that. 208 00:11:50,227 --> 00:11:51,947 Speaker 2: Now that's in Rome. That's the that's the finish. 209 00:11:52,227 --> 00:11:56,147 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I love the way if you're playing, 210 00:11:56,187 --> 00:11:59,347 Speaker 5: but by that stage you hopefully have a pleasant trip 211 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:03,027 Speaker 5: up the Spanish steps Studio Olympic. 212 00:12:03,107 --> 00:12:04,867 Speaker 3: I grew up there. I lived there for the first 213 00:12:04,907 --> 00:12:05,947 Speaker 3: five years of my life. 214 00:12:06,227 --> 00:12:09,467 Speaker 5: So my dad was playing scrum number eight for Alga 215 00:12:09,947 --> 00:12:12,627 Speaker 5: up against people like Andy Hayden who were also out 216 00:12:12,627 --> 00:12:15,067 Speaker 5: in Italy at the time. So your boys will have 217 00:12:15,067 --> 00:12:17,187 Speaker 5: a lovely trip to Rome and then you'll they'll all 218 00:12:17,187 --> 00:12:18,947 Speaker 5: head off. I know some of them go to Chicago 219 00:12:19,147 --> 00:12:20,987 Speaker 5: to c AIG, some of them go to Alid. 220 00:12:20,987 --> 00:12:22,107 Speaker 3: Does some of them go. 221 00:12:22,067 --> 00:12:24,427 Speaker 5: To the du Bi sevens that they'll look forward to 222 00:12:24,507 --> 00:12:30,147 Speaker 5: Italy game? Your first three games? So what's a successful 223 00:12:30,187 --> 00:12:33,907 Speaker 5: tour for New Zealand England? That's Wicken Ireland in Dublin 224 00:12:33,947 --> 00:12:38,467 Speaker 5: on a Friday night, France with DuPont back and Italy. 225 00:12:38,627 --> 00:12:42,827 Speaker 5: Is a successful tour? I mean, is a successful tour 226 00:12:42,947 --> 00:12:45,747 Speaker 5: two wins? Or is the New Zealand public No, The 227 00:12:45,787 --> 00:12:49,627 Speaker 5: only way a successful tour it's successful is you win 228 00:12:49,707 --> 00:12:53,147 Speaker 5: all four. I think if you win three of four, 229 00:12:54,027 --> 00:12:56,227 Speaker 5: I think you have to. With the caliber that you're 230 00:12:56,307 --> 00:13:00,707 Speaker 5: up against on in terms of world rankings and where 231 00:13:00,707 --> 00:13:02,507 Speaker 5: you're playing, I think three from four will be a 232 00:13:02,547 --> 00:13:04,547 Speaker 5: heck of a heck of a return. 233 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:06,987 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most people like be here agree will. 234 00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:09,347 Speaker 2: But given the fact we lost to South Africa twice 235 00:13:09,547 --> 00:13:12,307 Speaker 2: and Argentina at home, I'm not sure there's a heck 236 00:13:12,347 --> 00:13:14,427 Speaker 2: of a lot of wiggle room for Scott Robertson. But 237 00:13:15,027 --> 00:13:17,307 Speaker 2: we are very much looking forward to what lies ahead. 238 00:13:17,427 --> 00:13:20,907 Speaker 5: Just a really quick question when you say I'm fascinated 239 00:13:20,907 --> 00:13:22,347 Speaker 5: about that, When you say there's not a lot of 240 00:13:22,467 --> 00:13:24,027 Speaker 5: wiggle room. 241 00:13:24,307 --> 00:13:25,347 Speaker 3: What do you say. 242 00:13:25,427 --> 00:13:28,867 Speaker 5: You're not saying like Eric ten Hagen, Ratcliffe and inoson 243 00:13:28,947 --> 00:13:30,707 Speaker 5: there and he's under pressure. 244 00:13:30,947 --> 00:13:34,187 Speaker 3: He's not under pressure at all for his job, is he? No? 245 00:13:34,547 --> 00:13:35,307 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 246 00:13:35,427 --> 00:13:37,627 Speaker 3: But when he said, when you say. 247 00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:40,027 Speaker 5: Wiggle room, up here we go, I start to think, 248 00:13:40,387 --> 00:13:41,387 Speaker 5: what are you talking about? 249 00:13:41,827 --> 00:13:43,507 Speaker 2: No, I think I think what I was suggesting was, 250 00:13:43,667 --> 00:13:46,787 Speaker 2: let's just say they lost two against two of the 251 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:50,067 Speaker 2: tests against England, France Island. That would be five losses 252 00:13:50,107 --> 00:13:52,107 Speaker 2: in a calendar year, which, as you know will Is, 253 00:13:52,787 --> 00:13:55,307 Speaker 2: you know, would be frowned upon down these parts. 254 00:13:56,507 --> 00:13:58,827 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, good, But. 255 00:14:00,707 --> 00:14:05,467 Speaker 5: He has enough credit in the bank that people know 256 00:14:05,587 --> 00:14:06,227 Speaker 5: he's going to get. 257 00:14:07,627 --> 00:14:11,107 Speaker 3: You've got to you've got to know. Oh, you're such 258 00:14:11,147 --> 00:14:14,107 Speaker 3: a tough public. You don't know, do you. 259 00:14:14,107 --> 00:14:16,987 Speaker 5: You don't know, and you're not and you're not sure, 260 00:14:17,507 --> 00:14:18,867 Speaker 5: and you're already whispering. 261 00:14:18,907 --> 00:14:20,747 Speaker 3: And the North Island have already turned on. 262 00:14:20,787 --> 00:14:24,227 Speaker 5: Him, haven't they. They've already gone. We knew it would 263 00:14:24,267 --> 00:14:24,987 Speaker 5: never work. 264 00:14:25,787 --> 00:14:29,787 Speaker 3: Come on, raise it. He'll get there, he'll break dance. 265 00:14:30,187 --> 00:14:32,347 Speaker 3: Oh you you've got such a good handle on us. 266 00:14:32,587 --> 00:14:34,987 Speaker 2: Well, it's always such a pleasure chating rag Vita mate, 267 00:14:34,987 --> 00:14:36,827 Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us across New Zealand. 268 00:14:37,747 --> 00:14:39,667 Speaker 3: Pleasure boys take her and girls take care. 269 00:14:39,787 --> 00:14:41,627 Speaker 2: Good on you all. Thanks and Ded you take care 270 00:14:41,627 --> 00:14:43,467 Speaker 2: of as well. I should have meet you right at 271 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:45,827 Speaker 2: the end. That Rome test is in Turin, not in Rome. 272 00:14:46,347 --> 00:14:48,547 Speaker 2: It's late tist as in children, not in Rome. My 273 00:14:48,627 --> 00:14:50,387 Speaker 2: apologies will, but. 274 00:14:50,667 --> 00:14:53,587 Speaker 1: Great to chat to you for more from Weekend Sport 275 00:14:53,667 --> 00:14:56,507 Speaker 1: with Jason Fine. Listen live to news talks it'd be 276 00:14:56,747 --> 00:15:00,387 Speaker 1: weekends from midday, or follow the podcast on I Hard Radio.