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Speaker 1: Devin Gray, UK, corresponding with us, Now, hey, Gevin, either

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Speaker 1: header right, well, speaking of wars, do we expect anything

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Speaker 1: to come out of this meeting? Like, are we actually

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Speaker 1: going to have something solid out of the White House overnight?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so personally. But look, this is all,

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Speaker 2: you know, all complete projection of what we think is

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Speaker 2: going to happen. But there is a long list of

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Speaker 2: European leaders going to this meeting. In fact, it's almost

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Speaker 2: quicker to tell you who isn't going. But among those

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Speaker 2: who are are the European Commission President Ursula Vondla and

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Speaker 2: the UK Prime Minister, the French President, the leader of Germany,

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Speaker 2: the leader of Italy, all heading along along with NATO

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Speaker 2: Secretary General Mark Rutter. Interesting that in the last few

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Speaker 2: hours Donald Trump's saying that you know, it's down to Zelenski.

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Speaker 2: If he wants peace, he can get it today sort

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Speaker 2: of thing. And I have this strong suspicion that the

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Speaker 2: Europeans have been invited almost as a sort of potential

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Speaker 2: blame game, that if nothing comes around, that the Europeans

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Speaker 2: will be told that they've been blamed for this because

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Speaker 2: they demanding too much out of Russia and Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: was saying with AOI you get on with it. That's

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Speaker 2: one theory they could be there, of course to a

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Speaker 2: company and to make sure that President Zelenski doesn't get

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Speaker 2: ambushed or hijacked again in the White House has happened

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Speaker 2: of course last time he was there. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's optimism as well. Perhaps genuinely they really do think

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Speaker 2: with this security guarantee, that's what they could work on

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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump for the future of Ukraine once piece

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Speaker 2: has been established. There's a lot at stake here, and

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Speaker 2: I think the world will be hanging on for the

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Speaker 2: result of the meeting. But as I said, I think

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Speaker 2: people are beginning to think this is early steps rather

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Speaker 2: than big decisions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Now what are we seeing, you know, the

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Speaker 1: plan that has emerged as having come out of that

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Speaker 1: Aleska meeting, basically Pusan's demands. Do we see that as

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Speaker 1: Putin's opening gambit or is that kind of what we

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Speaker 1: have to work with.

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Speaker 2: No. I think that's a sort of an opening gambit

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Speaker 2: at least, that's the hope quite simply because there's Russia

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Speaker 2: wants the claimed territory in Ukraine that it doesn't even

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Speaker 2: occupy as yet. So there's an argument you might say, well,

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Speaker 2: that's what they've managed to win, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: violence of this war, so let them keep that for

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Speaker 2: the sake of peace. But they're also after areas of

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Speaker 2: the Dombas, the eastern regions, the eastern sort of states

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Speaker 2: as it were, that they also want the whole of

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Speaker 2: and they don't currently occupy that. There are even reports

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Speaker 2: of what have been described as suicide squads, so just

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Speaker 2: two or three Russians going beyond and into Ukrainian territory,

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Speaker 2: into enemy lines as it were for them, and painting

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Speaker 2: and planting Russian flags everywhere, so that from satellite images

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Speaker 2: they're getting this idea that actually the Russian advances are

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Speaker 2: much greater than they actually are, something that I know

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Speaker 2: Ukraine has been saying, Look, this is they don't run

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Speaker 2: this bit, They've just stuck a flag there. So lots

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Speaker 2: of sort of different talk about what can be done today.

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Speaker 2: But as I said, the inclusion of the Europeans is

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Speaker 2: then that will delight the leaders. I'm not sure the

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Speaker 2: actual process of getting a negotiation will.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, thanks very much, really appreciate you time met. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you in a couple of days. It's Kevin Gray,

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Speaker 1: are UK correspondent.

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