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It's Rugby Direct with Elliott Smith and 5 00:00:34,613 --> 00:00:37,053 Speaker 2: Liam Napier powered by News Talks EDB. 6 00:00:37,293 --> 00:00:40,373 Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by four Klip Solutions, lifting 7 00:00:40,413 --> 00:00:43,413 Speaker 3: you and your business to a higher level, and welcome 8 00:00:43,533 --> 00:00:45,053 Speaker 3: in to Perth. 9 00:00:45,133 --> 00:00:47,853 Speaker 4: On a stinking hot twenty eight. 10 00:00:47,733 --> 00:00:53,053 Speaker 3: Degree afternoon day in Perth, Elliott Smith with me Liam Napier, 11 00:00:53,653 --> 00:00:55,933 Speaker 3: and we've got the All Blacks team and the Wallaby's 12 00:00:55,973 --> 00:00:59,653 Speaker 3: team for this weekend's second Blitterslow Cup match Rugby Championship 13 00:00:59,653 --> 00:01:03,333 Speaker 3: Test of course as well and Liam some bold calls 14 00:01:03,373 --> 00:01:07,333 Speaker 3: from the All Blacks in terms of their selection this week. 15 00:01:07,413 --> 00:01:09,813 Speaker 3: I'm sure Alliston will have seen that squad by now, 16 00:01:09,853 --> 00:01:10,933 Speaker 3: but what stood out to you? 17 00:01:11,773 --> 00:01:15,493 Speaker 5: I think Scott Robinson Senior has been punctuated by conservatism 18 00:01:15,693 --> 00:01:19,093 Speaker 5: largely when it's come to selection. So I think this 19 00:01:19,173 --> 00:01:23,693 Speaker 5: selection has caught most people by surprise, particularly Quinte Pie 20 00:01:23,973 --> 00:01:28,613 Speaker 5: and Peter Luckeye. I think most people probably expected lessifying 21 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:30,773 Speaker 5: the Nook who maybe Riekawa and he's come on the 22 00:01:30,853 --> 00:01:33,933 Speaker 5: right on the left wing with Caleb Clark injured. But 23 00:01:35,373 --> 00:01:40,493 Speaker 5: and the enforced injury changes make sense. But Quintepire at center, Oh, 24 00:01:40,573 --> 00:01:43,573 Speaker 5: I don't think anyone saw that coming. You mentioned to 25 00:01:43,613 --> 00:01:46,733 Speaker 5: me the fact that he's played one game at center 26 00:01:47,053 --> 00:01:52,133 Speaker 5: for the Chiefs five years ago, and so yeah, he's 27 00:01:52,173 --> 00:01:56,933 Speaker 5: been really good off the bench, strong directs, rarely got 28 00:01:56,933 --> 00:01:59,293 Speaker 5: the all Blacks on the front foot. He came on 29 00:01:59,413 --> 00:02:03,693 Speaker 5: last week Eden Park and played wing. But center is 30 00:02:03,773 --> 00:02:06,733 Speaker 5: another kettle of fish all together, particularly from a defensive 31 00:02:06,773 --> 00:02:08,733 Speaker 5: point of view, and particularly when you're up against the 32 00:02:08,733 --> 00:02:09,973 Speaker 5: guy like Joseph Suili. 33 00:02:10,413 --> 00:02:13,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought Billy Procter look was struggling see 34 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:16,893 Speaker 3: him on attack, but I think we've seen him defensively wise, 35 00:02:16,933 --> 00:02:18,973 Speaker 3: he wrapped up Ikeito and saw let you really well. 36 00:02:19,013 --> 00:02:21,693 Speaker 3: Speaking to our colleague Jamie Panderm from the Daily Telegraph, 37 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:24,213 Speaker 3: he was very impressed by what Billy Proctor was able 38 00:02:24,253 --> 00:02:27,133 Speaker 3: to do in terms of shutting those players down last week. 39 00:02:27,173 --> 00:02:29,573 Speaker 3: Now to pay who has had very little time at center, 40 00:02:30,013 --> 00:02:32,333 Speaker 3: certainly in recent years, is being asked to come and 41 00:02:32,413 --> 00:02:35,333 Speaker 3: do it again in a role that Proctor fulfilled well 42 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:38,253 Speaker 3: last week. I guess on the flip side, Scott Robinson 43 00:02:38,573 --> 00:02:42,013 Speaker 3: has stuck with Proctor through a number of Test matches. 44 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:44,693 Speaker 3: He did say that he looked a bit fatigued. He 45 00:02:44,813 --> 00:02:48,253 Speaker 3: played seven matches out of eight this year. But you 46 00:02:48,253 --> 00:02:49,893 Speaker 3: know there's one more match to go than there's a 47 00:02:49,893 --> 00:02:51,373 Speaker 3: bit of a break before the end of year tours, 48 00:02:51,453 --> 00:02:52,773 Speaker 3: so they could have stuck with him. 49 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:54,893 Speaker 4: They decided not to. They've gone in a different direction. 50 00:02:55,413 --> 00:02:58,693 Speaker 3: Do you think this signals perhaps the start of a 51 00:02:58,733 --> 00:03:02,333 Speaker 3: different midfield combination. We've seen Yuanni and Barrett, we've seen 52 00:03:03,173 --> 00:03:07,053 Speaker 3: now Proctor and Barrett. Potentially this is mark three of 53 00:03:07,093 --> 00:03:09,373 Speaker 3: trying to get it working under Scott Robinson. 54 00:03:09,653 --> 00:03:09,853 Speaker 6: Yeah. 55 00:03:09,853 --> 00:03:11,573 Speaker 5: I think it certainly shows that the All Blacks aren't 56 00:03:11,573 --> 00:03:13,893 Speaker 5: happy with their midfield. They're not getting what they want. 57 00:03:14,293 --> 00:03:16,853 Speaker 5: I think you're right that Billy's been very good defensively, 58 00:03:16,853 --> 00:03:18,933 Speaker 5: but we haven't seen enough from him on attack. He 59 00:03:19,013 --> 00:03:24,093 Speaker 5: hasn't brought that footwork, the ability to beat a man 60 00:03:24,533 --> 00:03:28,693 Speaker 5: and that notable distribution skills that we saw consistently for 61 00:03:28,773 --> 00:03:32,013 Speaker 5: the Hurricanes into the Test game. They've given him every chance. 62 00:03:33,293 --> 00:03:36,973 Speaker 5: I guess most people probably thought we'd see Leicester at center, 63 00:03:37,573 --> 00:03:40,093 Speaker 5: but because of Caleb Clark's injury that's come on the 64 00:03:40,133 --> 00:03:42,853 Speaker 5: left wing, so I think we will see Lester finding 65 00:03:42,853 --> 00:03:45,773 Speaker 5: a nooker at some point at center. But clearly the 66 00:03:45,813 --> 00:03:49,933 Speaker 5: All Blacks are searching for more from their midfield, aren't they. 67 00:03:50,013 --> 00:03:52,893 Speaker 5: And the All Black's attack hasn't been fluent this year. 68 00:03:53,013 --> 00:03:56,973 Speaker 5: It was probably at its best at times at Eden Park. 69 00:03:57,613 --> 00:04:02,213 Speaker 5: But I think Quinter Pyre's performance is there. His ability 70 00:04:02,373 --> 00:04:06,413 Speaker 5: to break tackles get over the game line. It's very powerful, 71 00:04:06,493 --> 00:04:09,653 Speaker 5: isn't it with Jordy and Quinn, But they haven't had 72 00:04:09,693 --> 00:04:13,293 Speaker 5: a line a lot of time together and I think 73 00:04:13,373 --> 00:04:14,893 Speaker 5: they will be challenged defensively. 74 00:04:15,253 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 3: Indeed, the interesting other selection from the run on team 75 00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:21,893 Speaker 3: that wasn't injury related as Peter Luckeye coming in at 76 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:26,213 Speaker 3: number eight first Test start. Satiiti probably hasn't hit or 77 00:04:26,213 --> 00:04:27,853 Speaker 3: definitely I don't think he hasn't hit the heights of 78 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:29,293 Speaker 3: what we saw last year that got him to the 79 00:04:29,293 --> 00:04:32,733 Speaker 3: World Rugby Breakthrough Player of the Year awards and All 80 00:04:32,733 --> 00:04:36,253 Speaker 3: Blacks Player of the Year. But still a surprise to 81 00:04:36,293 --> 00:04:37,893 Speaker 3: me that they're gone for Luckeye. But I don't mind 82 00:04:37,933 --> 00:04:39,053 Speaker 3: them move at all. We saw him come up for 83 00:04:39,093 --> 00:04:40,533 Speaker 3: the bench last week he was able to bend a 84 00:04:40,573 --> 00:04:45,093 Speaker 3: line strong carrier. It's an opportunity for Peter Luckeye and 85 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:47,693 Speaker 3: perhaps you know it comes a little bit of surprise, 86 00:04:48,253 --> 00:04:50,533 Speaker 3: but I mentioned to see how he goes against this 87 00:04:50,573 --> 00:04:53,893 Speaker 3: Wallaby's really big, strong pack that played really well last week. 88 00:04:54,293 --> 00:04:56,813 Speaker 5: I think you're right in that it probably says more 89 00:04:56,853 --> 00:04:59,053 Speaker 5: about what we've seen from Wallace than what we've seen 90 00:04:59,053 --> 00:05:02,773 Speaker 5: from Peter Luckeye because Lucky played what like twenty five 91 00:05:02,973 --> 00:05:05,653 Speaker 5: twenty minutes off the bench at Eden Park and was 92 00:05:05,693 --> 00:05:09,213 Speaker 5: good last week. But I think it is a surprise 93 00:05:09,253 --> 00:05:12,773 Speaker 5: to seem injected, not only to start at at number eight, 94 00:05:13,013 --> 00:05:15,773 Speaker 5: because he's a guy that can play seven, has played 95 00:05:16,413 --> 00:05:19,693 Speaker 5: seven for the All Blacks. This is his first start. 96 00:05:20,813 --> 00:05:23,493 Speaker 5: I really like Peter Lucky. I don't think he was 97 00:05:23,533 --> 00:05:25,333 Speaker 5: at his best for the Hurricanes this year, but he's 98 00:05:25,373 --> 00:05:28,413 Speaker 5: one of the most dynamic, powerful ball carriers in New 99 00:05:28,533 --> 00:05:31,653 Speaker 5: Zealand rugby and I think when you take a step 100 00:05:31,693 --> 00:05:35,133 Speaker 5: back these selections. Scott robertson his thinking for this week 101 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:38,613 Speaker 5: is maybe he's sensing sensing his squads running out of 102 00:05:38,653 --> 00:05:42,093 Speaker 5: juice a bit and on the back of back to 103 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:46,133 Speaker 5: back games in Argentina back to back games against the 104 00:05:46,133 --> 00:05:48,933 Speaker 5: World champions Spring Box and then coming over to Perth 105 00:05:49,613 --> 00:05:52,533 Speaker 5: straight off the bat after Eden Park. I think we're 106 00:05:52,573 --> 00:05:56,093 Speaker 5: seeing him wanting to inject some freshness and we're seeing 107 00:05:56,093 --> 00:05:59,653 Speaker 5: that with Peter Luckeye, with Quinta Pia and a couple 108 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:03,973 Speaker 5: of others. So I'm not going to sit here and 109 00:06:04,013 --> 00:06:07,293 Speaker 5: criticize him. I think it is risky because the All Blacks. 110 00:06:07,413 --> 00:06:09,573 Speaker 5: The overarching thie here is that they're trying to get 111 00:06:09,573 --> 00:06:11,733 Speaker 5: their consistency as well. They haven't put back to back 112 00:06:11,773 --> 00:06:14,693 Speaker 5: performances together, so there's a bit of upside, but there's 113 00:06:14,733 --> 00:06:19,293 Speaker 5: a lot of risk, so potentially rolling the dice. But 114 00:06:20,293 --> 00:06:23,573 Speaker 5: we have seen other teams, notably the Springboks, rotate throughout 115 00:06:23,573 --> 00:06:26,213 Speaker 5: this Rugby Championship, and I think the All Blacks are 116 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:28,493 Speaker 5: potentially trying to take a bit of a leaf from 117 00:06:28,493 --> 00:06:32,973 Speaker 5: their book and find out about some players while still winning. 118 00:06:33,093 --> 00:06:34,533 Speaker 5: But it's not easy to do. 119 00:06:34,813 --> 00:06:35,213 Speaker 4: No, it's not. 120 00:06:35,253 --> 00:06:39,173 Speaker 3: Some of those injury enforced changes as well, with Boden 121 00:06:39,213 --> 00:06:42,573 Speaker 3: Barrett dropping out, Ethan Degree dropping out, Calder Clark dropping out, 122 00:06:42,613 --> 00:06:45,453 Speaker 3: so the what's seven changes all up to the team. 123 00:06:45,973 --> 00:06:46,933 Speaker 4: It's kind of gone under the road. 124 00:06:46,933 --> 00:06:48,653 Speaker 3: But to Roll Lomax as well with his broken thumb, 125 00:06:48,693 --> 00:06:52,493 Speaker 3: sounds like his year may be over. Potentially he's going 126 00:06:52,493 --> 00:06:56,013 Speaker 3: to get see a specialist on Monday. So the change 127 00:06:56,053 --> 00:06:59,413 Speaker 3: but doesn't feel like change for change take necessarily. There 128 00:06:59,493 --> 00:07:02,733 Speaker 3: is a boldness to the team, but you know there 129 00:07:02,773 --> 00:07:04,813 Speaker 3: could be some answers that come in the form of 130 00:07:04,893 --> 00:07:07,213 Speaker 3: you know that to pious selection at midfield, maybe larkyet 131 00:07:07,253 --> 00:07:09,373 Speaker 3: number eight, that could set the All Blacks up for 132 00:07:09,453 --> 00:07:10,333 Speaker 3: that end of your tour. 133 00:07:10,973 --> 00:07:14,253 Speaker 5: Yeah, and think, as much as anything else, it's about 134 00:07:14,293 --> 00:07:18,533 Speaker 5: developing depth, developing options. You think about Peter Luckeye or 135 00:07:18,573 --> 00:07:23,213 Speaker 5: Wallace Teti could start, and Quinte Pier or Lester Faning 136 00:07:23,253 --> 00:07:26,853 Speaker 5: and Nuku could start in the midfield. They've played Billy 137 00:07:26,893 --> 00:07:30,093 Speaker 5: Procter there, Rika Wine comes back for a wee bit 138 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:33,733 Speaker 5: of a chance off the bench. So Robertson's all about 139 00:07:33,733 --> 00:07:36,893 Speaker 5: this four four four, developing depth and options and creating 140 00:07:37,693 --> 00:07:41,373 Speaker 5: competition within the squad. But for me, at this point, 141 00:07:41,413 --> 00:07:44,173 Speaker 5: it's almost more important that the All Blacks win and 142 00:07:45,293 --> 00:07:47,573 Speaker 5: show some form of conviction because yeah, they want to 143 00:07:47,573 --> 00:07:50,173 Speaker 5: eat in park. Last week, but it wasn't convincing. It 144 00:07:50,213 --> 00:07:52,373 Speaker 5: was patchy. They blew a seventeen point lead in the 145 00:07:52,373 --> 00:07:55,453 Speaker 5: first half. The Wallabies came within two in the second half. 146 00:07:56,133 --> 00:07:59,373 Speaker 5: The Wallabies are vastly stronger, you'd argue this week with 147 00:07:59,573 --> 00:08:01,813 Speaker 5: some of the guys they're getting back there on home soil. 148 00:08:02,253 --> 00:08:04,653 Speaker 5: There's still a lot to play for the RUGBA Championship title, 149 00:08:04,733 --> 00:08:08,573 Speaker 5: so I'm a little bit surprised with that context the 150 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:11,373 Speaker 5: amount of changes. Some of them are injury and forced. 151 00:08:11,413 --> 00:08:16,053 Speaker 5: But then again, when else do the All Blacks have 152 00:08:16,093 --> 00:08:17,693 Speaker 5: the freedom to rotate this year? 153 00:08:18,053 --> 00:08:19,973 Speaker 3: They don't really and maybe this is the best option 154 00:08:20,093 --> 00:08:25,053 Speaker 3: that hey Bletterslow Cup safe Rugby Championship. Yes, still a possibility, 155 00:08:25,533 --> 00:08:29,173 Speaker 3: but it's probably unlikely. So while you never want to lose, 156 00:08:29,213 --> 00:08:31,573 Speaker 3: and again if they lose, it's you know, when lost, 157 00:08:31,613 --> 00:08:34,573 Speaker 3: when lost, when lost in the last six, it presents 158 00:08:34,613 --> 00:08:38,173 Speaker 3: maybe is their best option, barring maybe the Wales test 159 00:08:38,493 --> 00:08:39,973 Speaker 3: right at the end of the year to have a 160 00:08:40,013 --> 00:08:42,853 Speaker 3: look at some players and set themselves up for that 161 00:08:43,053 --> 00:08:45,573 Speaker 3: end of year too. You mentioned Australia, there will Skelton 162 00:08:45,653 --> 00:08:48,493 Speaker 3: back in the mix for them this week. Rob Valatini 163 00:08:48,573 --> 00:08:51,573 Speaker 3: surprisingly comes off the bench, but Hoop I thought played 164 00:08:51,653 --> 00:08:53,773 Speaker 3: very very well last week against the All Blacks and 165 00:08:53,853 --> 00:08:57,653 Speaker 3: Tain't admit at ten as well, North Harbour's finest skidding 166 00:08:57,773 --> 00:09:02,053 Speaker 3: the selection. There is this a better Wolaby's team than 167 00:09:02,053 --> 00:09:03,973 Speaker 3: the one last week? You just said that you think 168 00:09:04,013 --> 00:09:04,493 Speaker 3: it might be. 169 00:09:04,973 --> 00:09:06,693 Speaker 5: On the whole, Yes, but I think the All Blacks 170 00:09:06,693 --> 00:09:10,653 Speaker 5: will target Taine at ten. I think he has some deficiencies. 171 00:09:11,453 --> 00:09:14,173 Speaker 5: He's a very attacking minded player. He will take risks. 172 00:09:14,253 --> 00:09:18,973 Speaker 5: But just like the Wallabies will send Will Skelton down 173 00:09:19,053 --> 00:09:22,453 Speaker 5: Damien McKenzie's channel, the All Blacks will do likewise detained. 174 00:09:22,533 --> 00:09:26,133 Speaker 5: So I think vastly strength and forward pack with Skelton 175 00:09:26,173 --> 00:09:28,453 Speaker 5: in there. He'll bring the niggle, he bring the physicality. 176 00:09:28,613 --> 00:09:31,773 Speaker 5: He will challenge the Your Blacks more, just like he 177 00:09:31,813 --> 00:09:34,573 Speaker 5: did in the British and Irish Lions series. It's a shame, 178 00:09:34,653 --> 00:09:36,613 Speaker 5: isn't it that he wasn't available for the whole of 179 00:09:36,613 --> 00:09:41,013 Speaker 5: the Rugby Championship. I think Jake Gordon coming into halfback, 180 00:09:41,253 --> 00:09:44,133 Speaker 5: you'll see the Wallaby's pepper the All Blacks back three 181 00:09:44,253 --> 00:09:47,733 Speaker 5: with high ball kicks. Slightly surprised that Nick White is 182 00:09:47,773 --> 00:09:51,653 Speaker 5: not involved. He's a real agitator. He's got under team's 183 00:09:51,693 --> 00:09:54,213 Speaker 5: skins in recent times but he is meant to be retired, 184 00:09:54,693 --> 00:09:58,853 Speaker 5: so they look into the future there James Slipper's last test, 185 00:09:59,173 --> 00:10:02,573 Speaker 5: Mike Cron's last test. How much does that factor into 186 00:10:02,613 --> 00:10:03,853 Speaker 5: the occasion for the Wallabies. 187 00:10:04,533 --> 00:10:05,173 Speaker 4: I think it does. 188 00:10:05,213 --> 00:10:09,173 Speaker 3: I mean James Slipper has been a consistent force in 189 00:10:09,253 --> 00:10:12,453 Speaker 3: that team for fifteen years. You know, he's been there 190 00:10:12,493 --> 00:10:15,613 Speaker 3: through some really low points for the Wallabies. He's been 191 00:10:15,653 --> 00:10:17,493 Speaker 3: there through some of the highs that they head over 192 00:10:17,493 --> 00:10:19,573 Speaker 3: the last fifteen years, you know, World Cup finals and 193 00:10:19,613 --> 00:10:22,453 Speaker 3: all that sort of thing that he's been there and 194 00:10:22,933 --> 00:10:25,573 Speaker 3: you know, I think he's what third highest all time 195 00:10:25,693 --> 00:10:30,253 Speaker 3: test cap number speaks to you know, what the Australians 196 00:10:30,293 --> 00:10:31,893 Speaker 3: have got out of him over eight years and real 197 00:10:31,973 --> 00:10:35,493 Speaker 3: leader captain this team at points as well. So it'll 198 00:10:35,493 --> 00:10:39,173 Speaker 3: be an emotional farewell. Don't know that it'll play too 199 00:10:39,253 --> 00:10:42,973 Speaker 3: much into proceedings necessarily, but if they weren't, then they 200 00:10:42,973 --> 00:10:45,573 Speaker 3: can obviously dedicate it to him and he goes out 201 00:10:45,813 --> 00:10:48,613 Speaker 3: a high in a career that has been of you know, 202 00:10:48,893 --> 00:10:51,773 Speaker 3: some real highs and some pretty unfortunate lows as well 203 00:10:51,813 --> 00:10:54,213 Speaker 3: for you know, the Wallabies during this time. 204 00:10:54,453 --> 00:10:57,173 Speaker 4: One other thing for before we wrap up, are. 205 00:10:57,173 --> 00:11:00,733 Speaker 3: Through sixty this week supposedly got the green light to 206 00:11:00,853 --> 00:11:03,893 Speaker 3: go aheads. From a New Zealand perspective, it feels like 207 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:07,333 Speaker 3: we're on the outside looking in on that story. It 208 00:11:07,373 --> 00:11:10,573 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it's a really reached New Zealand too much. 209 00:11:10,973 --> 00:11:13,173 Speaker 3: Scott Robinson said today at the media conference that you 210 00:11:13,213 --> 00:11:15,053 Speaker 3: know all their best players, all the players that want 211 00:11:15,653 --> 00:11:19,093 Speaker 3: locked away. Feels like very much like an Australian England 212 00:11:19,173 --> 00:11:24,653 Speaker 3: story around NRL players and English rugby players potentially committing 213 00:11:24,973 --> 00:11:27,173 Speaker 3: to this venture. But it sounds like it's getting off 214 00:11:27,213 --> 00:11:29,933 Speaker 3: the ground. How do you think it's going to play internationally? 215 00:11:29,933 --> 00:11:31,733 Speaker 3: Because Will Rugby still haven't signed it off. 216 00:11:32,333 --> 00:11:33,853 Speaker 5: I think there'll be a lot of nerves out there 217 00:11:34,533 --> 00:11:38,773 Speaker 5: from national unions, not necessarily from New Zealand's point of view. 218 00:11:38,773 --> 00:11:39,333 Speaker 4: At this point. 219 00:11:39,373 --> 00:11:44,133 Speaker 5: I'm hearing friends Super rugby players are perhaps interested, but 220 00:11:44,173 --> 00:11:46,493 Speaker 5: it is a big story in Australia because they're targeting 221 00:11:46,733 --> 00:11:51,613 Speaker 5: NRL players Ryan Pappenhaus and Zach Lomax. Apparently Jay Gray 222 00:11:51,693 --> 00:11:54,333 Speaker 5: from this South Sydney rabbito has been off for two 223 00:11:54,413 --> 00:11:58,693 Speaker 5: point four million. Three sixty have gone down from eight 224 00:11:58,813 --> 00:12:02,453 Speaker 5: to six teams for their original launch. But I'm hearing 225 00:12:02,493 --> 00:12:06,213 Speaker 5: they've got a budget per team of something like fifteen 226 00:12:06,333 --> 00:12:09,333 Speaker 5: million US, so a lot of cash to throw around. 227 00:12:09,373 --> 00:12:11,653 Speaker 5: I'm not too sure where that's coming from and where 228 00:12:11,693 --> 00:12:15,173 Speaker 5: they're going to get their players from. But look at 229 00:12:15,173 --> 00:12:18,893 Speaker 5: this point, players who go to that tournament I think 230 00:12:18,973 --> 00:12:22,613 Speaker 5: are not eligible to play test rugby. So from an 231 00:12:22,653 --> 00:12:24,973 Speaker 5: All Blacks point of view, I don't think they'll be 232 00:12:25,053 --> 00:12:28,413 Speaker 5: too worried, but there's certainly a watching brief and look, 233 00:12:28,413 --> 00:12:30,413 Speaker 5: if they get off the ground and they get some momentum, 234 00:12:31,093 --> 00:12:34,053 Speaker 5: I think there is a real chance that fringe All 235 00:12:34,093 --> 00:12:36,813 Speaker 5: Blacks guys not in the starting team could look to 236 00:12:36,853 --> 00:12:42,373 Speaker 5: cash out post World Cup or even pre World Cup 237 00:12:42,613 --> 00:12:45,133 Speaker 5: if they find that they're not in the mix. 238 00:12:45,613 --> 00:12:48,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with New Zealand rugby we've kind of 239 00:12:48,093 --> 00:12:49,413 Speaker 3: dealt with this prior. 240 00:12:49,493 --> 00:12:52,653 Speaker 4: Ever, you know, for rugby Australia not easier in rugby. 241 00:12:53,053 --> 00:12:55,133 Speaker 3: For the NRL, they're a competition that is bound by 242 00:12:55,133 --> 00:12:58,853 Speaker 3: a salary cap, and so when you have clubs coming in, 243 00:12:59,013 --> 00:13:02,373 Speaker 3: organizations coming through and going we can pay you X 244 00:13:02,453 --> 00:13:05,133 Speaker 3: number of dollars, this is your absolute cap that you'll 245 00:13:05,133 --> 00:13:07,573 Speaker 3: ever get paid in the NRL, then of course it's 246 00:13:07,573 --> 00:13:09,653 Speaker 3: going to be attractive, but I think in rugby, you know, 247 00:13:09,733 --> 00:13:12,333 Speaker 3: you used to players being signed up for big money 248 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:16,533 Speaker 3: for Japan, for France and those sort of things. For 249 00:13:16,613 --> 00:13:19,293 Speaker 3: Rugby Australia, look doesn't sound like they're going to give 250 00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:22,693 Speaker 3: it their seal of approval, even though or World Rugby 251 00:13:22,733 --> 00:13:24,533 Speaker 3: is also not as well, even though they said players 252 00:13:24,533 --> 00:13:27,453 Speaker 3: can be available, will be available for test windows, but 253 00:13:27,493 --> 00:13:30,373 Speaker 3: for Rugby Australia they've probably got to toe the line. 254 00:13:30,373 --> 00:13:31,893 Speaker 4: But it could be a game changer for them. 255 00:13:31,933 --> 00:13:34,533 Speaker 3: You know, if they can get Ryan Pappenhaus and Zach 256 00:13:34,573 --> 00:13:38,013 Speaker 3: Lomax into their selection mix for the Wallabies, they're only 257 00:13:38,053 --> 00:13:41,453 Speaker 3: playing paying assembly fees or test match fees, et cetera, 258 00:13:41,573 --> 00:13:45,013 Speaker 3: rather than having to pay the fees that are dictator 259 00:13:45,053 --> 00:13:47,653 Speaker 3: or salaries that are dictated to these players. Are three 260 00:13:47,693 --> 00:13:50,133 Speaker 3: six is looking after them. That could change the complexion 261 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:53,333 Speaker 3: of the Wallabies overnight, if they were indeed eligible. 262 00:13:54,253 --> 00:13:57,173 Speaker 5: I saw a clip from for War talking about Marky 263 00:13:57,253 --> 00:14:02,253 Speaker 5: Mark from the Roosters coming back to rugby union and 264 00:14:02,613 --> 00:14:06,253 Speaker 5: how they're willing to be creative. How basically that is 265 00:14:06,293 --> 00:14:08,293 Speaker 5: not going to play super rugby. Prior to playing for 266 00:14:08,373 --> 00:14:11,773 Speaker 5: the Wallabies in the twenty twenty seven home World Cup. 267 00:14:12,293 --> 00:14:16,133 Speaker 5: So what's the difference between him and a Zach Lomax, 268 00:14:16,173 --> 00:14:20,573 Speaker 5: who's a similar athlete, brilliant in the air, great goalkicker, 269 00:14:20,893 --> 00:14:23,413 Speaker 5: and if he's playing rugby union, why would you not 270 00:14:24,933 --> 00:14:27,573 Speaker 5: select him because you can select players from overseas. So 271 00:14:28,053 --> 00:14:31,493 Speaker 5: I think it's a very valid point. And look, the 272 00:14:31,493 --> 00:14:35,053 Speaker 5: Wallabies need the best team possible for a home World 273 00:14:35,093 --> 00:14:39,413 Speaker 5: Cup and a lot of those guys could feature very prominently. 274 00:14:39,453 --> 00:14:40,333 Speaker 4: And we've seen it before. 275 00:14:40,493 --> 00:14:43,333 Speaker 5: We're at a home World Cup with Wendell's Sailor and 276 00:14:44,093 --> 00:14:47,533 Speaker 5: Matt Rodgers, Lottie Takiri, those guys were very much front 277 00:14:47,533 --> 00:14:49,733 Speaker 5: and center of that Wallaby's team. 278 00:14:50,133 --> 00:14:51,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, so watch the space on that. 279 00:14:51,613 --> 00:14:55,213 Speaker 3: But yeah, three sixty going full steam ahead, So look 280 00:14:55,293 --> 00:14:59,893 Speaker 3: forward to the Dubai Desert. Worry is against the London 281 00:14:59,973 --> 00:15:04,053 Speaker 3: Lizards coming near you. You can book a paper view now, limb. 282 00:15:04,693 --> 00:15:08,733 Speaker 5: Yes, and in Challah because that's probably where the money's 283 00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:09,253 Speaker 5: coming from. 284 00:15:11,053 --> 00:15:13,933 Speaker 3: Indeed, right on that note. Earlier in the week, we 285 00:15:13,973 --> 00:15:16,613 Speaker 3: caught up with All Black's assistant coach Jason Holland to 286 00:15:16,653 --> 00:15:19,613 Speaker 3: get an idea of some of the themes and work 287 00:15:19,653 --> 00:15:21,173 Speaker 3: on that they've been looking at this week. As we 288 00:15:21,213 --> 00:15:24,253 Speaker 3: count down to Perth. So let's hear that interview now 289 00:15:24,293 --> 00:15:25,133 Speaker 3: before we wrap up. 290 00:15:25,773 --> 00:15:27,013 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's been good obviously. 291 00:15:27,093 --> 00:15:29,813 Speaker 7: Yeah, you finished a Test match on a Saturday Saturday 292 00:15:29,893 --> 00:15:31,853 Speaker 7: night and you get on the plane on Sunday and 293 00:15:32,653 --> 00:15:35,253 Speaker 7: as coaches sort of get the work done on the 294 00:15:35,253 --> 00:15:37,013 Speaker 7: plane over here and you enjoy up Monday morning. So 295 00:15:37,093 --> 00:15:39,493 Speaker 7: it's it's good that way, you know, just roll into. 296 00:15:39,373 --> 00:15:40,893 Speaker 6: It and boy's been good. 297 00:15:40,973 --> 00:15:43,333 Speaker 7: Trevored well on get out of your Sunday night and 298 00:15:44,453 --> 00:15:46,613 Speaker 7: review Monday morning and into a couple of days. 299 00:15:46,613 --> 00:15:48,933 Speaker 6: So that's been it's been a good couple of days. 300 00:15:49,013 --> 00:15:51,013 Speaker 3: There's a lot matter of the review after South African 301 00:15:51,093 --> 00:15:51,893 Speaker 3: Test and Wellingston. 302 00:15:51,933 --> 00:15:54,213 Speaker 4: What was the sorting like and what to tell you? 303 00:15:54,573 --> 00:15:59,133 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the review was that was pretty pretty similar. 304 00:15:59,133 --> 00:16:02,213 Speaker 7: There was obviously some different themes around it. We're pretty 305 00:16:02,213 --> 00:16:05,093 Speaker 7: aware of the couple of areas we were better and 306 00:16:05,493 --> 00:16:08,213 Speaker 7: this week and then making sure that we're better again. 307 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:11,653 Speaker 6: Example has been we're better in the air. 308 00:16:11,733 --> 00:16:14,333 Speaker 7: Which meant we had the ball war, which meant we 309 00:16:15,253 --> 00:16:19,653 Speaker 7: probably got more penalties, which is it's an interesting one here. 310 00:16:20,133 --> 00:16:23,173 Speaker 7: Having possession at the moment and holding on to the 311 00:16:23,173 --> 00:16:26,373 Speaker 7: ball means the other team has poor discipline, you know, 312 00:16:26,493 --> 00:16:28,693 Speaker 7: and that's where it's perceived. So when in the year 313 00:16:28,733 --> 00:16:30,893 Speaker 7: is a massive part of it was a massive part 314 00:16:30,933 --> 00:16:34,293 Speaker 7: of our review and what we're looking at. And we're 315 00:16:35,293 --> 00:16:37,533 Speaker 7: a little bit disappointment in some of our stuff around 316 00:16:39,693 --> 00:16:43,733 Speaker 7: the areas where Ossie out muscled us at times a 317 00:16:43,773 --> 00:16:47,413 Speaker 7: little bit. Yeah, I went both ways obviously, but yeah, 318 00:16:47,453 --> 00:16:50,493 Speaker 7: a couple they're obviously good side on the grounde I've 319 00:16:50,533 --> 00:16:55,933 Speaker 7: got good jacklers and their physical physical side, so yeah, 320 00:16:55,973 --> 00:16:58,453 Speaker 7: we looked at that and making sure that how we 321 00:16:58,493 --> 00:17:00,053 Speaker 7: slow them down as well when they have the ball, 322 00:17:00,373 --> 00:17:02,213 Speaker 7: got massive game line on us at times and put 323 00:17:02,293 --> 00:17:04,573 Speaker 7: us under pressure with a couple of tries as well, 324 00:17:04,573 --> 00:17:06,573 Speaker 7: a couple of tries that were too easy for what 325 00:17:06,613 --> 00:17:07,013 Speaker 7: we're like. 326 00:17:07,133 --> 00:17:09,853 Speaker 6: So yeah, probably a couple of key things around our 327 00:17:09,853 --> 00:17:13,933 Speaker 6: review tryon. 328 00:17:14,853 --> 00:17:16,773 Speaker 7: Yeah, the more stuff I wouldn't have been too much 329 00:17:16,773 --> 00:17:20,213 Speaker 7: all over in the forge units, but but just the 330 00:17:20,213 --> 00:17:24,173 Speaker 7: theme again of the opposition having the ball, giving away 331 00:17:24,173 --> 00:17:26,613 Speaker 7: a penalty, kicking to our corner and get the more. 332 00:17:26,653 --> 00:17:28,893 Speaker 7: You know, it's doesn't matter who you're playing, that's always 333 00:17:28,893 --> 00:17:31,333 Speaker 7: a threat. So there's always a flow on effect for 334 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:33,093 Speaker 7: all these things, you know, well. 335 00:17:32,933 --> 00:17:37,453 Speaker 3: I think the game there's the best attacking performance over 336 00:17:37,453 --> 00:17:38,093 Speaker 3: the year so far. 337 00:17:38,533 --> 00:17:40,253 Speaker 6: Field try. 338 00:17:42,933 --> 00:17:45,453 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think for the longer periods we were we 339 00:17:45,693 --> 00:17:46,733 Speaker 7: had the ball for a longer times. 340 00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:46,893 Speaker 6: You know. 341 00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:49,773 Speaker 7: We've probably talked with you boys over this year around 342 00:17:50,533 --> 00:17:52,693 Speaker 7: little spurts of good stuff. I thought the first half 343 00:17:52,693 --> 00:17:54,653 Speaker 7: against South Africa when we got pump, I thought we 344 00:17:54,653 --> 00:17:58,133 Speaker 7: were we showed some really good touches of attack, like 345 00:17:58,213 --> 00:17:59,253 Speaker 7: LeRoy's try was one of. 346 00:17:59,253 --> 00:18:00,493 Speaker 6: The better tries of the year, I reckon. 347 00:18:01,053 --> 00:18:03,293 Speaker 7: So yeah, we keep building on that, but just looking 348 00:18:03,293 --> 00:18:06,613 Speaker 7: to put it together for longer and keeps coming back 349 00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:08,333 Speaker 7: to us having the ball and not giving the ball 350 00:18:08,373 --> 00:18:10,733 Speaker 7: all the way, you know, and putting pressure on things 351 00:18:10,733 --> 00:18:11,173 Speaker 7: for longer. 352 00:18:12,173 --> 00:18:12,573 Speaker 5: Deliberate. 353 00:18:14,573 --> 00:18:16,333 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we're still asking the boys to make good 354 00:18:16,333 --> 00:18:18,653 Speaker 7: decisions and if the kicks on, they'll kick if they 355 00:18:18,653 --> 00:18:22,773 Speaker 7: see the run, but are probably more you know, being 356 00:18:22,813 --> 00:18:24,453 Speaker 7: really clear if we're going to kick it, we need 357 00:18:24,493 --> 00:18:25,813 Speaker 7: to have a real outcome around the kick. 358 00:18:27,253 --> 00:18:30,533 Speaker 6: So yeah, we just want to have the possession and 359 00:18:30,773 --> 00:18:31,933 Speaker 6: be patient with it. 360 00:18:31,973 --> 00:18:33,973 Speaker 7: If there's nothing obvious on, we're happy to go another 361 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:35,813 Speaker 7: couple of phases before we find something. 362 00:18:37,413 --> 00:18:39,853 Speaker 6: To his chance and then. 363 00:18:41,933 --> 00:18:47,013 Speaker 5: Started months this year after what changes anything. Join ticks 364 00:18:47,013 --> 00:18:47,613 Speaker 5: into the line of. 365 00:18:47,613 --> 00:18:50,213 Speaker 4: But it's different. 366 00:18:51,693 --> 00:18:55,013 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good observation. It's I think. 367 00:18:55,333 --> 00:18:57,533 Speaker 7: I Well, firstly, he's been outstanding, you know, even in 368 00:18:57,573 --> 00:18:59,373 Speaker 7: the last three or four weeks been on the bench. 369 00:18:59,573 --> 00:19:01,533 Speaker 7: We can't played at fifteen a couple of weeks ago. 370 00:19:01,613 --> 00:19:06,213 Speaker 7: He's he's in a really good space to met as 371 00:19:06,213 --> 00:19:08,053 Speaker 7: far as the way we play the game won't change much. 372 00:19:08,573 --> 00:19:10,653 Speaker 7: Obviously d Mac will take every opportunity to have a 373 00:19:10,693 --> 00:19:13,373 Speaker 7: crack and as you say, take the line on a 374 00:19:13,413 --> 00:19:17,533 Speaker 7: little bit. And the way was he defend with softer 375 00:19:17,653 --> 00:19:20,973 Speaker 7: on the edges to what said Africa, we're we need 376 00:19:21,013 --> 00:19:23,093 Speaker 7: to we need to be at them and not off 377 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,533 Speaker 7: you passing early, So that'll be a real advantage. But 378 00:19:26,013 --> 00:19:27,653 Speaker 7: I think that makes in a great place. He's led 379 00:19:27,653 --> 00:19:30,653 Speaker 7: the team really well this week and then Rubes. Room 380 00:19:30,733 --> 00:19:33,613 Speaker 7: and Rubes are working really well together as far as 381 00:19:34,813 --> 00:19:36,253 Speaker 7: the two boys that will be in the. 382 00:19:36,213 --> 00:19:39,253 Speaker 6: Ten spot this week, and they'll be good. 383 00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:41,893 Speaker 7: So I'd say as excited, you know, as he says, 384 00:19:41,893 --> 00:19:44,253 Speaker 7: only had one start at ten, had heaps last year. 385 00:19:45,693 --> 00:19:47,213 Speaker 6: But it's in a really good space. 386 00:19:46,933 --> 00:19:50,373 Speaker 7: And loving the idea of us having the ball for 387 00:19:50,413 --> 00:19:57,013 Speaker 7: a long time, you know, not giving it away. 388 00:19:54,493 --> 00:19:56,293 Speaker 5: Five games a team this year and hasn't had a 389 00:19:56,293 --> 00:19:58,373 Speaker 5: lot of times. 390 00:20:02,893 --> 00:20:06,293 Speaker 6: Yep, one hundred percent. I think. I think. 391 00:20:07,773 --> 00:20:10,413 Speaker 7: How he quickly matured through the cane season was a 392 00:20:10,493 --> 00:20:13,453 Speaker 7: real you know, BC was there for a while, and 393 00:20:13,453 --> 00:20:15,293 Speaker 7: he came in when BC got injured, I think, and. 394 00:20:16,773 --> 00:20:17,373 Speaker 6: Just bossed that. 395 00:20:17,573 --> 00:20:20,173 Speaker 7: And watching him in the Canes environment, he just bossed 396 00:20:20,213 --> 00:20:23,373 Speaker 7: the whole environment, which was a great bit of maturity 397 00:20:23,413 --> 00:20:24,173 Speaker 7: from him. 398 00:20:24,213 --> 00:20:27,053 Speaker 6: And again he's come in and had to bite this time. 399 00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:29,093 Speaker 7: You know, it's frustrating for a young fellow and you 400 00:20:29,133 --> 00:20:30,733 Speaker 7: don't get a crack and you got a little bit 401 00:20:30,733 --> 00:20:33,373 Speaker 7: of time on the wing. But he's been running the 402 00:20:33,413 --> 00:20:37,013 Speaker 7: opposition for eight weeks now, seven seven, eight weeks and 403 00:20:37,173 --> 00:20:40,853 Speaker 7: doing a really good job of it and. 404 00:20:39,853 --> 00:20:40,973 Speaker 6: Knows the way we want to play. 405 00:20:41,053 --> 00:20:43,733 Speaker 7: So I suppose a short answer the year, really confident 406 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:45,093 Speaker 7: he'll be sweet. 407 00:20:45,333 --> 00:20:48,093 Speaker 3: Guess consistency has been the catch for I will try 408 00:20:48,133 --> 00:20:49,453 Speaker 3: and find consistency and. 409 00:20:51,253 --> 00:20:54,533 Speaker 4: This week that you know, I guess from the weeks 410 00:20:54,533 --> 00:20:55,413 Speaker 4: where you didn't win. 411 00:20:55,333 --> 00:20:57,853 Speaker 6: I suppose that maybe you look to do differently this week. 412 00:20:57,933 --> 00:21:00,493 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's there's obviously parts of our game. 413 00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:01,653 Speaker 6: We're building and growing. 414 00:21:01,893 --> 00:21:05,733 Speaker 7: Like as we've talked around around around our attack, we 415 00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:07,533 Speaker 7: had a bit of chat this morning around the mental 416 00:21:07,573 --> 00:21:12,173 Speaker 7: side of it. You know, I don't think we ever, 417 00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:14,933 Speaker 7: nobody ever switches off, but just being really sharp around 418 00:21:14,933 --> 00:21:19,093 Speaker 7: our mental preparation, their preparation for the week. You know, 419 00:21:19,093 --> 00:21:21,333 Speaker 7: obviously we've won the first game and lost the second 420 00:21:21,333 --> 00:21:24,573 Speaker 7: one through this TC. So so we were sharpening for 421 00:21:24,653 --> 00:21:27,453 Speaker 7: us this morning to understand and think around what our 422 00:21:27,933 --> 00:21:30,813 Speaker 7: what our mindset is that we have to go and 423 00:21:30,853 --> 00:21:32,453 Speaker 7: when the bloods low again type mindset. 424 00:21:32,453 --> 00:21:33,773 Speaker 6: You know, it's not as if. 425 00:21:35,853 --> 00:21:37,893 Speaker 7: You know, we knock off in an area and like 426 00:21:37,973 --> 00:21:40,093 Speaker 7: the boys responded and today I thought, as I said, 427 00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:44,133 Speaker 7: we were sharp today, boys were on. So hopefully the 428 00:21:44,613 --> 00:21:47,213 Speaker 7: mental side of that means that we're readily go. 429 00:21:47,613 --> 00:21:50,173 Speaker 4: That is Rugby Directs almost done for another week. 430 00:21:50,453 --> 00:21:53,773 Speaker 3: We will catch you probably before we head back across 431 00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:54,173 Speaker 3: the ditch. 432 00:21:55,013 --> 00:21:57,173 Speaker 4: One more for the ditch? Is that the right thing? 433 00:21:57,893 --> 00:22:02,453 Speaker 5: That's it Scarborough. It's a great place. And picked up 434 00:22:02,493 --> 00:22:03,693 Speaker 5: some local slang. 435 00:22:03,693 --> 00:22:06,453 Speaker 3: Local Irish, whatever it might be, local slang, we'll call 436 00:22:06,453 --> 00:22:08,533 Speaker 3: it local slank. 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