1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,413 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:13,373 Speaker 1: from News Talks at B and. 3 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:16,293 Speaker 2: We're just about to connect with our travel correspondent Mike 4 00:00:16,333 --> 00:00:18,693 Speaker 2: Cowardly before we do, though, just see, you know, I 5 00:00:18,733 --> 00:00:20,973 Speaker 2: double checked it. I just double checked it. I googled 6 00:00:21,013 --> 00:00:24,133 Speaker 2: in the ad breaks. Yes, Bill English did study English literature. 7 00:00:24,133 --> 00:00:26,373 Speaker 2: He did an honors degree at Victoria University. So there 8 00:00:26,373 --> 00:00:28,133 Speaker 2: you go. Mike Goudly is with us this morning. 9 00:00:28,133 --> 00:00:32,173 Speaker 3: Good morning set, Good morning Jack's. But speaking of politics, 10 00:00:32,373 --> 00:00:35,773 Speaker 3: is it true that Carmela is finally going to face 11 00:00:35,813 --> 00:00:38,333 Speaker 3: the press and she's booked in for Q and A tomorrow. 12 00:00:38,493 --> 00:00:43,613 Speaker 2: Ah, as great as my production team is on Q 13 00:00:43,773 --> 00:00:47,413 Speaker 2: and A, as keen as they are in pursuing big 14 00:00:47,533 --> 00:00:50,853 Speaker 2: names for the show, Sadly, I have to report that 15 00:00:50,893 --> 00:00:53,773 Speaker 2: Carmela will not be appearing tomorrow. Although it's about times 16 00:00:53,773 --> 00:00:55,893 Speaker 2: she did an interview. There's no excuse now right, she's 17 00:00:55,933 --> 00:00:58,533 Speaker 2: done the down the convention. She is officially the nominee. 18 00:00:58,533 --> 00:01:00,973 Speaker 2: I think, I can you know, they can justify holding 19 00:01:01,013 --> 00:01:02,413 Speaker 2: it until now, but she's going to have to come 20 00:01:02,453 --> 00:01:05,333 Speaker 2: under a bit more scrutiny. I reckon so little eventually, 21 00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:07,093 Speaker 2: What did you make of the of the Convention of 22 00:01:07,093 --> 00:01:07,973 Speaker 2: what you saw of it night. 23 00:01:08,653 --> 00:01:12,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, full tilt, wasn't it absolute rais mataires. I'm always 24 00:01:12,973 --> 00:01:16,693 Speaker 3: intrigued how the Democrats seem to be so tethered to 25 00:01:17,733 --> 00:01:20,693 Speaker 3: the celebrity elite of the states. They seem to go 26 00:01:20,853 --> 00:01:22,173 Speaker 3: hand in hand, don't they. 27 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:25,173 Speaker 2: So yeah, they do, although Beyonce did in front. There 28 00:01:25,213 --> 00:01:27,853 Speaker 2: was their whole rumor that Beyonce was going to be closing. 29 00:01:27,573 --> 00:01:30,733 Speaker 3: It out, but she wasn't there, that's true. 30 00:01:30,813 --> 00:01:36,053 Speaker 2: Although well, yeah, one of my strange highlights, and this 31 00:01:36,133 --> 00:01:40,053 Speaker 2: might be lost on all, but the keenest of American 32 00:01:40,133 --> 00:01:42,733 Speaker 2: hip hop fans was when they were introducing the different 33 00:01:42,733 --> 00:01:44,773 Speaker 2: delegates from different states. You know, they have this thing 34 00:01:44,853 --> 00:01:46,933 Speaker 2: called the role call, and so they call up people 35 00:01:46,973 --> 00:01:50,893 Speaker 2: from yeah, Minnesota, and here's Nebraska and blah blah blah. 36 00:01:50,933 --> 00:01:53,973 Speaker 2: And when they called out Georgia, the state of Georgia, 37 00:01:54,053 --> 00:01:59,213 Speaker 2: they had Lil John, who is who's a Southern rapper, 38 00:01:59,453 --> 00:02:02,333 Speaker 2: and he just he came out and started rapping as 39 00:02:02,373 --> 00:02:05,493 Speaker 2: their answer to the role call, which I thought was 40 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:07,493 Speaker 2: was your neque. I couldn't I couldn't picture that happening 41 00:02:07,493 --> 00:02:10,053 Speaker 2: at a national or Labor party conference here in New 42 00:02:10,133 --> 00:02:14,293 Speaker 2: Zealand a little bit different to say the least. Anyway, Hey, 43 00:02:14,293 --> 00:02:16,573 Speaker 2: we're focusing on Greymouth this morning. I was saying before 44 00:02:16,653 --> 00:02:18,613 Speaker 2: the west coast of South Island. I just think it 45 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:22,933 Speaker 2: is one of the most beautiful, underrated parts of New Zealand. 46 00:02:22,973 --> 00:02:26,093 Speaker 2: And the latest attraction in town and Graymouth worth the 47 00:02:26,133 --> 00:02:29,093 Speaker 2: trip alone is the Ponamu Pathway. 48 00:02:28,613 --> 00:02:33,253 Speaker 3: Marfetta absolutely extraordinary, Jack, Yes, we're at workshop. They teamed 49 00:02:33,293 --> 00:02:38,053 Speaker 3: up with poteeny Nitahu to create four Ponamu Pathway experience centers, 50 00:02:38,093 --> 00:02:41,133 Speaker 3: so they strung along the west coast. The Greymouth Center 51 00:02:41,253 --> 00:02:45,973 Speaker 3: MARFAA opened about nine months ago and you've got the 52 00:02:46,093 --> 00:02:51,213 Speaker 3: stirring storytelling and all of that technological wizard tree. The 53 00:02:51,253 --> 00:02:55,453 Speaker 3: center on the old Revington's Hotel site in Greymouth, which 54 00:02:55,653 --> 00:02:59,653 Speaker 3: is such a great location because previously that was the 55 00:02:59,853 --> 00:03:02,973 Speaker 3: historic site of Marfetta par Yeah. 56 00:03:03,093 --> 00:03:06,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks amazing from what I've seen, just gorgeous. 57 00:03:06,373 --> 00:03:08,253 Speaker 2: So talk us through some of the features. There's that 58 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:10,293 Speaker 2: giant sculpture of two Hoodoo. 59 00:03:11,213 --> 00:03:14,213 Speaker 3: Yes, so if you've been to the Gallipoli exhibition to 60 00:03:14,293 --> 00:03:18,693 Speaker 3: Papa and marveled over those enormous sculptures, you will be 61 00:03:18,973 --> 00:03:22,933 Speaker 3: equally awe struck by the Center's starring attraction in Graymouth, 62 00:03:23,053 --> 00:03:26,933 Speaker 3: this giant sculpture of Too Hoodoo. And I have to say, Jack, 63 00:03:27,013 --> 00:03:30,253 Speaker 3: my heart skipped a beach as I gazed up close 64 00:03:30,493 --> 00:03:36,373 Speaker 3: in the awe of just the hyperreality of this warrior chief. 65 00:03:36,573 --> 00:03:38,893 Speaker 3: And I mean he was actually seven feet tall in 66 00:03:38,933 --> 00:03:45,733 Speaker 3: real life apparently what this Wow? Yeah, great basketballer, but 67 00:03:46,653 --> 00:03:51,213 Speaker 3: this super sized sculpture spans about four meters, so we 68 00:03:51,253 --> 00:03:54,813 Speaker 3: are talking gigantic and he was a giant. He was 69 00:03:54,893 --> 00:03:58,293 Speaker 3: the warrior chief who led Nitahu's conquest of the West 70 00:03:58,293 --> 00:04:03,013 Speaker 3: coast in the Ponamu trade. And you kind of expect 71 00:04:03,053 --> 00:04:06,253 Speaker 3: him to spring into life as you're standing beneath them. 72 00:04:06,693 --> 00:04:10,333 Speaker 3: He's been magnificently adorned with all of these woven accessories 73 00:04:10,613 --> 00:04:16,133 Speaker 3: and the world's largest known ponamu hatiki that the pendant 74 00:04:16,213 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 3: around his neck weighs eight kilogram. 75 00:04:18,933 --> 00:04:22,293 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's incredible. How did Nita who navigate 76 00:04:22,373 --> 00:04:24,293 Speaker 2: across the Alps to the Ponama on the west coast. 77 00:04:25,173 --> 00:04:27,813 Speaker 3: I just was blown away by the history that the 78 00:04:27,853 --> 00:04:30,973 Speaker 3: center showcases. So I wasn't aware of this, but Nati 79 00:04:31,013 --> 00:04:34,493 Speaker 3: white Ungi first settled on the west coast from Tartanaki 80 00:04:34,533 --> 00:04:37,533 Speaker 3: in the fifteen hundreds, Nita, who of course were over 81 00:04:37,613 --> 00:04:39,813 Speaker 3: on the other side of the mountains out east. They 82 00:04:39,853 --> 00:04:43,533 Speaker 3: were very eager to get their hands on the ponamu trade, 83 00:04:43,573 --> 00:04:48,493 Speaker 3: so they first destroyed Nati White One's part at Mafeta 84 00:04:49,333 --> 00:04:51,813 Speaker 3: before conquering the wide a west coast. But the amazing 85 00:04:51,853 --> 00:04:56,973 Speaker 3: thing jack all began with this young Wahini, a young 86 00:04:57,013 --> 00:05:01,533 Speaker 3: woman from Nati white Unge called Roreca, and she found 87 00:05:01,573 --> 00:05:05,053 Speaker 3: a route across the Southern Alps from the Arrahura Valley 88 00:05:05,213 --> 00:05:07,653 Speaker 3: just south of Arthur's Pass at the head of the 89 00:05:07,693 --> 00:05:11,253 Speaker 3: head of the Wilberforce River. So this was around seventeen fifty. 90 00:05:11,773 --> 00:05:14,253 Speaker 3: And as you learn at the Center and Graymouth, when 91 00:05:14,293 --> 00:05:18,213 Speaker 3: she crossed over what we know today is Browning's Pass, right, 92 00:05:18,493 --> 00:05:21,773 Speaker 3: she came across a Nahu hunting party who are up 93 00:05:21,813 --> 00:05:25,093 Speaker 3: in the hills from out east. She showed them the 94 00:05:25,133 --> 00:05:29,493 Speaker 3: way across the mountains from the east. And his history. 95 00:05:29,773 --> 00:05:33,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, that's amazing, okay. And the thing about Ponamu 96 00:05:33,413 --> 00:05:36,533 Speaker 2: is that it isn't just that beautiful deep green color. 97 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:40,493 Speaker 3: That's right. As much as that is a beautiful color, 98 00:05:40,853 --> 00:05:43,973 Speaker 3: it was Captain Cook who called it Greenstone. I went 99 00:05:44,413 --> 00:05:48,493 Speaker 3: just out of Greymouth by Shantytown to Garth Wilson studio. 100 00:05:48,573 --> 00:05:52,173 Speaker 3: Now Garth is one of the coasts best known ponamu covers. 101 00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:54,733 Speaker 3: He started gathering stone from the rivers when he was 102 00:05:54,773 --> 00:05:58,733 Speaker 3: a really small boy with his father. And when you 103 00:05:58,813 --> 00:06:01,573 Speaker 3: go to the studio you will see there's a variety 104 00:06:01,653 --> 00:06:06,693 Speaker 3: of hues. So for example, Tutu Weka ponamu, there's this 105 00:06:06,893 --> 00:06:11,413 Speaker 3: distinct blood red coloring that's found in the Ardahura River 106 00:06:11,973 --> 00:06:17,173 Speaker 3: and also from the Ardahura Cocapoo ponamu which takes on 107 00:06:17,253 --> 00:06:23,093 Speaker 3: this similar gray spotted patterning of a speckled trout. Absolutely extraordinary. 108 00:06:23,213 --> 00:06:27,053 Speaker 3: So yeah, gufts pieces are magnificent, but you just get 109 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:31,173 Speaker 3: a great insight into the variety of ponamu. Hughes at 110 00:06:31,173 --> 00:06:31,693 Speaker 3: his studio. 111 00:06:31,853 --> 00:06:34,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, so just north of Greymouth tell us about breakers. 112 00:06:35,693 --> 00:06:37,653 Speaker 3: Well, if you've ever been on the Great Coast Road 113 00:06:37,893 --> 00:06:41,533 Speaker 3: and you've stopped at that Strongman Mine Memorial at that 114 00:06:41,573 --> 00:06:45,853 Speaker 3: lookout point, which is one of the great sprawling coastal 115 00:06:45,933 --> 00:06:49,653 Speaker 3: vistas from the highway, if you've been there, you may 116 00:06:49,693 --> 00:06:52,693 Speaker 3: have noticed there's this property sort of just tucked away, 117 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:56,373 Speaker 3: set back from the beach on a terrace, wrapped in 118 00:06:56,453 --> 00:07:00,213 Speaker 3: native bosh, basking in the solitude. Well you can stay there, 119 00:07:00,653 --> 00:07:04,973 Speaker 3: so it's called Breakers Boutique Accommodation. It actually began life 120 00:07:04,973 --> 00:07:08,533 Speaker 3: as doctor Dallas's house and doctor Dallas was the mayor 121 00:07:08,893 --> 00:07:12,053 Speaker 3: and the story goes that this was actually harborboard lands 122 00:07:12,133 --> 00:07:16,013 Speaker 3: Jack and you shouldn't have actually built on it, but hey, 123 00:07:16,013 --> 00:07:20,253 Speaker 3: when you're the mayor, so it's now a fabulous spot 124 00:07:20,293 --> 00:07:24,533 Speaker 3: to stay and directly behind your accommodation. This absolutely blew 125 00:07:24,573 --> 00:07:28,813 Speaker 3: my mind. There are kiwi in the boss right next 126 00:07:28,893 --> 00:07:29,733 Speaker 3: to the highway. 127 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:33,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, like meters away. 128 00:07:33,373 --> 00:07:35,293 Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah totally. 129 00:07:35,613 --> 00:07:38,053 Speaker 2: And what about nine Mile Beach? What makes it so special? 130 00:07:38,813 --> 00:07:40,813 Speaker 3: Yes, well, if you wander down from Breakers, if I've 131 00:07:40,853 --> 00:07:42,773 Speaker 3: got a private track down to the beach, and a 132 00:07:42,813 --> 00:07:45,133 Speaker 3: lot of surfers out on the West coast they love 133 00:07:45,213 --> 00:07:48,053 Speaker 3: nine Mile Beach because it's got a beefy left break. 134 00:07:48,373 --> 00:07:51,133 Speaker 3: But the beach has so many curiosities. So at low 135 00:07:51,173 --> 00:07:54,133 Speaker 3: tide there's rock pools to devil and brimming with muscles 136 00:07:54,133 --> 00:07:58,213 Speaker 3: and staffish. There's a waterfall that actually cascades down to 137 00:07:58,333 --> 00:08:01,613 Speaker 3: the beach from that Strongman Mind memorial lookout. We've got 138 00:08:01,653 --> 00:08:04,773 Speaker 3: a penguin colony and you never know you luck ponamu 139 00:08:04,853 --> 00:08:08,933 Speaker 3: fragments often wash up on this beach. I just brought 140 00:08:09,013 --> 00:08:12,773 Speaker 3: up from the ocean swell further south and from breakers 141 00:08:12,893 --> 00:08:16,173 Speaker 3: best of all, the ocean panorama. You will just binge 142 00:08:16,173 --> 00:08:19,853 Speaker 3: on that, particularly when a fireball sunset tortures the Tesman 143 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:22,133 Speaker 3: c and it really is a remarkable spot. 144 00:08:22,413 --> 00:08:25,333 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful part of the world. Thank you so much, Mike. 145 00:08:25,733 --> 00:08:28,893 Speaker 2: All of Mike's advice and tips on tripping around Graymouth 146 00:08:28,893 --> 00:08:30,813 Speaker 2: on the West Coast there will be available at Newstalks 147 00:08:30,813 --> 00:08:32,493 Speaker 2: headb dot co dot nz. 148 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:36,733 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 149 00:08:36,813 --> 00:08:39,973 Speaker 1: to News Talks B from nine am Saturday, or follow 150 00:08:40,013 --> 00:08:41,613 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio