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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: The Paralympics are officially underway in Paris, and for the

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Speaker 2: first time in sixteen years, Team New Zealand is missing

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Speaker 2: a very familiar face, our most decorated Paralympion ever, Sophie Pasco.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: Sophie's a four time Paralympian and eleven time gold medalist,

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Speaker 2: seven time silver medalist and one time bronze ain't no thing.

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Speaker 2: She's also just become a mum. So this year, Sophie's

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Speaker 2: staying home from the Games and taking part in a

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Speaker 2: slightly different way, presenting TVNZ's coverage of the competition. And

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Speaker 2: she's with us this morning. Kilda, Good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 2: So good to see you in person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a long time, Jack, It.

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Speaker 2: Has been a long time. So I was thinking, I

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Speaker 2: think we first crossed paths when you were maybe fifteen

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Speaker 2: years old, correct, sculp, So another lifetime, which means that

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Speaker 2: the last time there was a Paralympic Games being contested

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Speaker 2: in which you weren't in the Paul, you were eleven.

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Speaker 3: I was I just missed out actually as well?

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Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yes?

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Speaker 4: I was like zero point zero something from qualifying eleven,

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Speaker 4: But it was I mean, it wasn't as if I

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Speaker 4: was trying to qualify for those particularly Wolf for Athens

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Speaker 4: at the time. It was just at Nationals and there

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Speaker 4: was obviously qualifying times on the sheet. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 4: just missed out, but it wasn't obviously on my rad a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think it held you back in

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Speaker 2: the end, to be perfectly honest, So I'm sure everyone

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Speaker 2: I was asking you this, but what is it like,

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Speaker 2: how does it change your perspective on the Games to

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Speaker 2: not be competing for the first time since before you

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Speaker 2: were a teenager? Look?

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Speaker 4: To be honest, it has been a little bit up

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Speaker 4: and down. Yeah, being the first time in sixteen years.

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Speaker 4: Every time I've been getting ready for a Paralympics, Obviously,

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Speaker 4: the Olympics is a couple of weeks prior to us,

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Speaker 4: and I've always been in a staging camp and that's

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Speaker 4: kind of been almost I like to call the Olympics

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Speaker 4: the warm up event for our vent, of course, but

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Speaker 4: it would get you really hyped up, you know. It

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Speaker 4: was so exciting watching our New Zealand Kiwi athletes perform

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Speaker 4: on the world stage and i'd always be overseas, but.

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Speaker 3: Here I am.

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Speaker 4: I'm at home and I'm looking after a baby, and

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Speaker 4: I'm just not preparing to go to a Paralympic Games,

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Speaker 4: and so I mustn't it. It was really hard actually

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Speaker 4: watching the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I felt I did feel the fomo and I also

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Speaker 4: felt like it wasn't really on. And I think that's

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Speaker 4: because it's the first time that I wasn't actually in

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Speaker 4: a structured routine of hey, I'm going to the Paralympics

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Speaker 4: in a few weeks time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you felt that the Paralympics went on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, boss, because it just it was kind

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Speaker 4: of this mentality of like, well, hang on, it's why

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Speaker 4: with the rest of the Paralympic team getting ready and yeah.

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Speaker 4: So but then there was the emotions of actually watching

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Speaker 4: the Olympics as well, of oh, this isn't going to

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Speaker 4: be me in a few weeks time. So there was

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Speaker 4: a little bit of sadness, but there was so much

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Speaker 4: excitement because we had an incredible team and we did

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Speaker 4: so well. So I loved that side of it, and

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Speaker 4: I made sure that I was able to actually watch

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Speaker 4: a lot of our team because I was breastfeeding as well,

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Speaker 4: so I actually were up in the early hours of

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Speaker 4: then now that we've actually come to the Paralympics, I

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Speaker 4: was really nervous. I'm each to my husband, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I'm actually really nervous about going into presenting and having

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Speaker 4: that real fomo feeling of not actually being over the

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Speaker 4: games of the team. But first day yesterday on.

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Speaker 3: Show and I just felt so content.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 4: It's like I'm right where I need to be with

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Speaker 4: helping out the Paralympic team, but still feeling like I'm

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Speaker 2: A different capacity. So yeah, yeah, I mean you're still engaged,

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Speaker 2: You're still part of it, just in a different context, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think all of that aside. Now I'm

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Speaker 4: be there. I watched some events last night, in particular

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Speaker 2: Can you enjoy it? That's what I wondered, because I

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Speaker 2: can totally appreciate the fomo, but I just wonder if

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Speaker 2: the pressure of expectation and all of the concerns that

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, there, I mean, there's obviously not that pressure

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Speaker 4: on you, right, I mean it's you carry the pressure

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Speaker 4: of everybody else to yes, but the biggest pressure is

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Speaker 4: your own. But now obviously that's just channeled into my

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Speaker 4: which I do feel is a little bit daunting in

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm not one to speak behind a camera every

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Speaker 4: single day. It comes, you know, in waves with obviously

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Speaker 4: being an athlete. But yeah, it's it is a little

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Speaker 4: bit of relief. Like I said, I just watched some

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Speaker 4: I still feel the nervousness, So I think that's great.

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Speaker 2: On behalf of the team.

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Speaker 4: On behalf of the team, and you know, I feel

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Speaker 4: what you know, the likes of Nicole was going through

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Speaker 4: and Voytek last night you get those feelings and I

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Speaker 4: don't think they'll ever go because you just know what

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Speaker 4: it's like to be standing either behind your block or

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Speaker 3: Then adrenaline rush.

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Speaker 4: But I'm getting that when it's about to go, like

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Speaker 3: Getting the best of both worlds. It's just so different.

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Speaker 2: For what is with I think you're great on camera, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I think, but no, I can see how it's like

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Speaker 2: it's an intimidating environment, right, And there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: then being in a TV studio kind of being in

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Speaker 4: It is unusual, and there's you know, so many moving

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Speaker 4: And I just I have so much more appreciation now

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, that's what I was thinking for No,

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Speaker 2: I really.

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Speaker 4: Do and you know, there's so much preparation that goes

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Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing that TV and Z are actually

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Speaker 2: So do you reflect on, like on that note, do

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Speaker 2: you reflect on the place of the Paralympics in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand compared to your first games however many years ago?

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Speaker 3: Totally?

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Speaker 4: That's I was talking to someone about this the other day. Actually,

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Speaker 4: it's just it's incredible how far Paralympics has already come.

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Speaker 4: And I look back on my history in particular, you know,

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Speaker 4: sure that the Paralympics was going to be on the

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Speaker 3: Social media wasn't a thing.

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Speaker 2: Even little things. And this sounds so obvious, but like

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Speaker 4: So good and TVNZ plus have five channels to be

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Speaker 4: So it's so great. It's so great.

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Speaker 2: Mom life, Mom life. What has surprised you about mom life.

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Speaker 4: That the amount of chat you have with people prior

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Speaker 4: to going into being a mum. You never really know

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Speaker 4: and until you're really in it, that's Yeah, that's when

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Speaker 4: you know. I'm a mum and I have so many

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Speaker 3: Now I thought swimming was easy, did you?

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Speaker 4: Sorry? God, I just said swimming. I thought swimming was hard.

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Speaker 4: Swimming is so easy. Yeah, mom life is the hardest

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Speaker 4: And I respect any parent out there and especially single parents.

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Speaker 3: It's challenging. It comes with its challenges.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got a young person who is just

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Speaker 4: it has been really challenging too. But I have really

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Speaker 4: found mum life so rewarding and just like I said,

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Speaker 4: I'm in the I'm the I'm in the best place

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Speaker 2: It's so good to hear.

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Speaker 3: I just love being a mum.

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Speaker 2: The identity thing is interesting. And I saw you making

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Speaker 2: what I thought was just a really insightful comment about

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Speaker 2: how being a mom had kind of Kim was saying,

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Speaker 2: being a mom, being a mum had like changed your

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Speaker 3: It's for the safety of your child.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's been a real mind shift because I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I mean it's the classic like adding

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Speaker 3: It's been I guess it's my time I bring baby

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your time when you

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jack.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and obviously every night from the seven thirty, you know,

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's so good. The powers that be DV and

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Speaker 2: but honestly that was really quite profound and amazing, so

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Speaker 2: thank you very much, Sophie, we really appreciate it. That

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Speaker 2: is Sophie Pasco, Dame Sophie Pasco, Paralympic Legend TV presenting

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