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Speaker 3: for another week. Elliott Smith with me Liam Napier as

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Speaker 3: always to wrap up the week that has been in

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Speaker 3: rugby across the globe and in Super Rugby and Big

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Speaker 3: Buller to you, Liam Napier, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's Buller Buller Toss, Drawer Toss.

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Speaker 5: My drawer didn't quite get up, but no, I will

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Speaker 5: say if if you have a rugby bucket list that's

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Speaker 5: tending a game in Fiji should be right up there.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into the nuts and bolts of the game

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Speaker 3: in a wee while. But the experience, what was it

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Speaker 3: like up there? I know you sort of said that

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Speaker 3: you wanted to go see these the crusaders up close

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Speaker 3: and see if they were the you know the same

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Speaker 3: the British product again under Rob Penny, what did you

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Speaker 3: see up close and what was the atmosphere like?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that I guess touched on the atmosphere and what

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Speaker 5: it's like from an experienced point of view. It's very authentic.

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Speaker 5: I think the big takeaway for me was that just

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Speaker 5: reminded me what true fandom is. The Drawer were down

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Speaker 5: thirty one nil and the fans get their two hours

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Speaker 5: before the game. They've got their umbrellas out because it's hot,

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Speaker 5: it's humid, there's grass, embankments, you can see the coast

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Speaker 4: This is in Suva. They play in Lautoka as well.

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Speaker 5: Just a bit of a backstory that the first year

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Speaker 5: with the Drawer, when they beat the Crusaders the first time,

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Speaker 5: in lowtime, people were climbing the trees outside the ground

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Speaker 5: and one of the trees actually broke and fell into

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Speaker 5: the crowd.

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Speaker 4: So that's how keen they are to watch their team.

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Speaker 5: But as I mentioned that, they're down thirty one nil

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Speaker 5: and then they score a try and the decibels in

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Speaker 5: the ground. There's only ten twelve thousand people there and

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Speaker 5: it feels like fifty thousand. They're up, they're chanting, they're

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Speaker 5: there till the end. Of the game in New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: if your team's down thirty one nil, half the crowd's

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Speaker 5: probably leaving and they're disengaged. The drawer were very very poor,

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Speaker 5: dropped so much ball. They were never really in that contest,

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Speaker 5: and yet the crowd is there there hanging off every moment.

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Speaker 5: The cheering, scrums and lineouts is a very unique atmosphere.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's a tough climent. We live and

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Speaker 5: financially and I had assistance to get there on these

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Speaker 5: sorts of things. But you are going there for a

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Speaker 5: holiday or you do have a Rugby bucket list, you know,

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Speaker 5: twicking them and Alice Park. There's magic experiences, but from

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Speaker 5: a pure fandom point of view, is very special.

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Speaker 4: Could hold a Super Round Fiji possibly in time.

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Speaker 5: I think there would need to be a lot of

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Speaker 5: work around infrastructure in terms of there is lighting and suva.

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Speaker 4: The pitch probably needs a bit of work to.

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Speaker 5: Maintain or be able to sustain what would it be

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Speaker 5: six odd games, and then a hotel infrastructure what professional

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Speaker 5: teams need on a day to day. I think that

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Speaker 5: the Crusaders stayed in the holiday in They flew in

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Speaker 5: Crusader's prepped really well for that. I think they this

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Speaker 5: They wore the white jersey with the Fijian cultural markings

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Speaker 4: So they did it really well this time.

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Speaker 5: They stacked their bench Ethan Blackheader, Ficture, New Quentin Strange,

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Speaker 5: they did it very well the Crusaders this time around.

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Speaker 5: Look the super around there would be amazing from an

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Speaker 4: I think people would go, but I don't think they're

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's realistic, particularly if they do bring

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Speaker 3: We'll get into the nuts and bolts of that game

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Speaker 3: back to the final game of the weekend, Force and

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Speaker 3: Highlanders twenty nine to twenty. The Force beat the Highlanders.

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Speaker 3: This felt like a game at the Honders was there

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Speaker 5: Yes, a bit of a story of the Highlands season.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that letting games slip? I think we've touched on

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Speaker 5: this in previous weeks. That game was there for the taking.

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Speaker 5: The red card prove costly. I thought it was a

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Speaker 5: but it almost doesn't matter, does it. When you put

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Speaker 5: yourself in that situation it was avoidable and so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's I think you draw a line through the Highlands

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Speaker 5: the drawer in Dunedin I think this week and need

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So There's been fixtures where I could have won, there's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, lookout Western Force fans occurring, but look I think

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Speaker 4: Well done, well done.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the Blues Hurricanes on Saturday evening

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Speaker 3: at Eden Park and Army saw this one. The Blues

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Speaker 3: the Hurricanes have done it twice. It felt to me

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Speaker 4: Apply pressure that way.

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Speaker 3: They only scored one try in the game, but it

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Speaker 3: Holler didn't have much of an impact. Nanny Punuai as well.

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Speaker 3: Reuben Love wasn't able to strike around the edges that

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Speaker 3: kept it narrow. They drew penalties. I mean, when was

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Speaker 3: Would have been a long time ago, So I thought

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Speaker 3: it wasn't pretty from the Blues, but it was a

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Speaker 3: I give credit to the Blues because they just pulled

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Speaker 5: This felt like a game where there was this season

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Speaker 5: it was tights, and they didn't really open up and

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Speaker 5: Hurricanes certainly tried to use the ball more and be

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Speaker 5: that that wasn't a red card, and I think there's

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Speaker 5: were on the wrong side of the penalty count something

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Speaker 5: and the difference for me, there's two points here, Boden

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Speaker 5: Barretts and Riley Juhepper poles apart and their influences on

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Speaker 5: a one hundred odd test veteran, Boden was in a

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Speaker 5: think helped them. Angus Tarval made a big impact off

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Speaker 5: other times as well, So the Blues bench made a

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Speaker 5: big impact, but Boden was ultimately the difference he was.

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Speaker 3: And in a week where Damie mckenzie'd resign with New

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Speaker 3: Boden Barrett that he can play the tight games as

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Speaker 3: think the jury is out on that. It wasn't like

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Speaker 3: could have lost that on a different night. It felt

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Speaker 4: That was the big the Hurricanes came.

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Speaker 3: Not in big games. No, these are Derby's. There's a

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Speaker 5: He missed some misstackles and he's just a bit of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're in seventh as it stands, two points outside

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Speaker 3: They weren't trying to do too much with too little.

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Speaker 5: It was a very smart, tactically stute victory from the Crusaders.

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Speaker 5: They slowed the game down at every opportunity, They ground

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Speaker 3: I think the key to this year is I have

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Speaker 3: to victories. This year they've been a bit more consistent

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Speaker 4: A couple of points I want to pick up on there.

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Speaker 5: I think what we're seeing from the Chiefs and the Crusaders,

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Speaker 4: He was very impressive Nahoam. I thought he controlled the

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Speaker 5: Would you stick with him and back in because it's

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Speaker 3: Certainly is, but I can see something and he's still

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Speaker 3: And you only get better by having rips in time

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Speaker 3: Rob Penny going we trust that you'll get this right

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Speaker 4: You did it easy, had to have the distance, just

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Speaker 3: Sixty four out yeah, I mean, but again that put

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Speaker 5: He has played there coming through the ranks, but I

430
00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:35,573
Speaker 5: think he's better suited to the wing because he is

431
00:22:35,613 --> 00:22:39,493
Speaker 5: a guy that naturally gets involved from there. Anyway, just

432
00:22:39,613 --> 00:22:42,853
Speaker 5: casting a head to next week sounds like David Hevilly's achilles,

433
00:22:43,693 --> 00:22:45,573
Speaker 5: very touch and go. I would be surprised to see

434
00:22:45,653 --> 00:22:50,533
Speaker 5: him against the Hurricanes. Scott Barrett much more of a chance.

435
00:22:50,813 --> 00:22:54,773
Speaker 5: So maybe the Crusader's midfield stays at it as it

436
00:22:54,893 --> 00:22:56,933
Speaker 5: is interesting to see what they do with seven. I

437
00:22:57,013 --> 00:23:00,813
Speaker 5: think that is also a reflection of Macha Springer's form

438
00:23:00,973 --> 00:23:04,133
Speaker 5: and Rob Penny wanting to keep him in that team.

439
00:23:04,293 --> 00:23:04,693
Speaker 4: That's right.

440
00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:09,733
Speaker 3: Saturday afternoon more Wanda Pacificus the Warrior has forty five

441
00:23:09,853 --> 00:23:13,293
Speaker 3: twenty eight. This was a heck of a game and

442
00:23:13,413 --> 00:23:16,133
Speaker 3: Mwana again, you know, first time they've got two wins

443
00:23:16,133 --> 00:23:19,773
Speaker 3: in a row in Super rugby and deserved. Wasn't looking

444
00:23:19,853 --> 00:23:21,813
Speaker 3: that way at halftime. But as I said earlier, you

445
00:23:21,853 --> 00:23:23,453
Speaker 3: give them one to forty minutes, they are going to

446
00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:26,453
Speaker 3: tea the shreds and that's what they did on Saturday afternoon.

447
00:23:27,053 --> 00:23:30,573
Speaker 5: Our second half team, aren't they. We've seen this before

448
00:23:30,573 --> 00:23:34,933
Speaker 5: against the Highlanders when they lost and the Chiefs in Pukakoi.

449
00:23:36,293 --> 00:23:39,693
Speaker 5: They need to fix that, and I think this time

450
00:23:39,773 --> 00:23:43,373
Speaker 5: it was probably more a mental come down, trying to

451
00:23:43,413 --> 00:23:47,053
Speaker 5: get off the high I've beaten the Crusaders, their greatest

452
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:51,053
Speaker 5: win in their short history, the expectations that come with that,

453
00:23:51,253 --> 00:23:55,013
Speaker 5: the hype, and so a bit of a false start

454
00:23:55,453 --> 00:23:58,373
Speaker 5: and not a lot went right in that first stuff,

455
00:23:58,413 --> 00:24:02,653
Speaker 5: but they regrouped and man, they can score some points. Yeah,

456
00:24:02,733 --> 00:24:06,253
Speaker 5: forty five points and they have done that consistently this year.

457
00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:09,253
Speaker 5: Defensively they haven't been as good, but when they're on,

458
00:24:10,173 --> 00:24:13,013
Speaker 5: they will come through you. They can go around you.

459
00:24:14,093 --> 00:24:17,093
Speaker 5: They have a number of attacking threats. So the Blues

460
00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:20,853
Speaker 5: will be very nervous this week for that local derby.

461
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:24,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mourner are the kings of regrouping, because you

462
00:24:24,733 --> 00:24:27,133
Speaker 3: look at the deficit and go game might be slipping

463
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:28,653
Speaker 3: away from them, but doesn't seem to matter for them.

464
00:24:28,693 --> 00:24:30,973
Speaker 3: But the ruck speed when they're on the ruck speed

465
00:24:31,053 --> 00:24:33,493
Speaker 3: that they play with when they give their you know,

466
00:24:33,693 --> 00:24:38,613
Speaker 3: players like fire Lungy Tuptlor Savia of course a crack.

467
00:24:38,933 --> 00:24:41,173
Speaker 3: When those forwards get going, they have very, very hard

468
00:24:41,253 --> 00:24:43,293
Speaker 3: to stop. We saw that the prop score three tries

469
00:24:44,013 --> 00:24:47,093
Speaker 3: on the weekend. They've got some great outside backs and

470
00:24:48,413 --> 00:24:51,493
Speaker 3: when they click that they're just really dangerous to play it,

471
00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:53,053
Speaker 3: and not many teams can hang with them.

472
00:24:53,413 --> 00:24:56,413
Speaker 5: No, and Patrick PELAGREENI very good. Again, he's the glue

473
00:24:56,493 --> 00:24:59,893
Speaker 5: that's that's holding that together. And just want to pick

474
00:25:00,013 --> 00:25:04,453
Speaker 5: up great recruitment and great coaching. You'd have to say,

475
00:25:04,533 --> 00:25:06,453
Speaker 5: to bring a guy up to speed that was playing

476
00:25:06,493 --> 00:25:11,173
Speaker 5: second division and English club rugby. And yeah, isn't it

477
00:25:11,213 --> 00:25:14,973
Speaker 5: great to see more on a history made and validation

478
00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:19,093
Speaker 5: further legitimacy. After that went over the Crusaders, it wasn't

479
00:25:19,133 --> 00:25:21,573
Speaker 5: a one off. They are here to compete.

480
00:25:21,653 --> 00:25:24,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you think back to the questions around their

481
00:25:24,133 --> 00:25:26,933
Speaker 3: long term viability in this comp and whether they can survive.

482
00:25:26,973 --> 00:25:29,053
Speaker 3: And the Webbys had some ownership changes here and there

483
00:25:30,213 --> 00:25:32,933
Speaker 3: through the last couple of years. But though the whipping

484
00:25:32,973 --> 00:25:34,573
Speaker 3: boys for a while and you go, this could be

485
00:25:34,613 --> 00:25:38,933
Speaker 3: a team that could easily be flecked at some point. Well,

486
00:25:39,773 --> 00:25:44,013
Speaker 3: now they're top six contenders, if not further and it's

487
00:25:44,053 --> 00:25:47,333
Speaker 3: hard to imagine Super Rugby without them now, which is

488
00:25:47,373 --> 00:25:49,413
Speaker 3: the great thing saying with the Fiji and Drawer, you know,

489
00:25:49,493 --> 00:25:52,573
Speaker 3: they've got to the point where these teams are legitimate

490
00:25:52,733 --> 00:25:55,933
Speaker 3: contenders to win rugby games. They're not just the whipping boys.

491
00:25:55,973 --> 00:25:58,573
Speaker 3: They're not there to make up the numbers. So in

492
00:25:58,693 --> 00:26:01,133
Speaker 3: terms of when one has got to that's exactly where

493
00:26:01,813 --> 00:26:03,413
Speaker 3: you want them to be in this competition.

494
00:26:04,093 --> 00:26:06,893
Speaker 5: And that's why we don't want to change the competition

495
00:26:07,013 --> 00:26:12,053
Speaker 5: right now because teams like Maayana are having these victories

496
00:26:12,133 --> 00:26:16,293
Speaker 5: knocking over well established teams the Waratas the Crusaders, and

497
00:26:16,493 --> 00:26:20,173
Speaker 5: it has taken them sometime where the Drewer were competitive

498
00:26:20,173 --> 00:26:24,173
Speaker 5: from the outset. And I think it is an advantage

499
00:26:24,653 --> 00:26:30,653
Speaker 5: being a one nation team. You've got that national support,

500
00:26:30,853 --> 00:26:34,053
Speaker 5: you have a pool of sponsors. I think they've got

501
00:26:34,093 --> 00:26:39,813
Speaker 5: fifteen local sponsors propping up the Drewer and their player

502
00:26:39,853 --> 00:26:44,533
Speaker 5: pool is much more concentrated. Smuana has taken them time

503
00:26:44,613 --> 00:26:47,093
Speaker 5: to find their identity, to develop their culture, to get

504
00:26:47,133 --> 00:26:50,093
Speaker 5: a good coaching team, to find a home base, to

505
00:26:51,093 --> 00:26:53,853
Speaker 5: understand what it takes to win at this level, to

506
00:26:54,053 --> 00:26:57,053
Speaker 5: recruit well. And they've still got a long way to go,

507
00:26:57,293 --> 00:27:00,213
Speaker 5: but getting someone like Ardie Severe was massive getting tana

508
00:27:00,293 --> 00:27:03,093
Speaker 5: Umag on board. So it has been a very slow,

509
00:27:03,253 --> 00:27:07,573
Speaker 5: gradual process, but most startup teams need time and we're

510
00:27:07,693 --> 00:27:11,693
Speaker 5: seeing that growth nowe on and off the field. They

511
00:27:12,053 --> 00:27:17,213
Speaker 5: I saw some stats that they have the most engagement

512
00:27:17,613 --> 00:27:22,613
Speaker 5: in social media than any other team in Australasia. So

513
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:27,173
Speaker 5: the engagements there, they're building a fan base and then

514
00:27:27,213 --> 00:27:31,173
Speaker 5: the results are coming. So it is magic to see

515
00:27:31,893 --> 00:27:34,533
Speaker 5: something come to fruish and like that long mat continue.

516
00:27:35,213 --> 00:27:38,453
Speaker 5: They're not the finished product, but they are setting expectations

517
00:27:38,653 --> 00:27:42,013
Speaker 5: and look, isn't it amazing to sit here and say

518
00:27:42,173 --> 00:27:43,773
Speaker 5: it would not be a shock to see them knock

519
00:27:43,813 --> 00:27:44,653
Speaker 5: over the Blues this week.

520
00:27:44,853 --> 00:27:47,773
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's what we want out of this competition. The Waratas.

521
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:50,213
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they went home between the Hurricanes

522
00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:52,853
Speaker 3: or not, but tough old trip for New Zealand. Two weeks,

523
00:27:52,893 --> 00:27:56,813
Speaker 3: one hundred and two points conceded and Suwa Lei is

524
00:27:56,893 --> 00:27:59,373
Speaker 3: the bright spot for them. But there's not much else

525
00:27:59,453 --> 00:28:01,133
Speaker 3: going on in that war Retars team at the moment.

526
00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:04,493
Speaker 5: No, they've fallen off a cliff. They are three and

527
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:07,573
Speaker 5: zero at home, so they will be desperate to get back.

528
00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:11,733
Speaker 5: But it can't be that simple. You've got to win

529
00:28:11,773 --> 00:28:15,773
Speaker 5: on the road. And yeah, I'm not sure what's gone

530
00:28:15,773 --> 00:28:18,453
Speaker 5: wrong there because they were horrific against the Hurricanes and

531
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:23,253
Speaker 5: then got belt in that second half, so maybe there's

532
00:28:24,333 --> 00:28:28,773
Speaker 5: some mental challenges there. They've got stack squad, yeah, full

533
00:28:28,813 --> 00:28:32,093
Speaker 5: of Wallabies. They should be playing and performing a lot better.

534
00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:32,773
Speaker 4: They should be.

535
00:28:33,013 --> 00:28:36,013
Speaker 3: Friday night, first game of the round final game, we'll

536
00:28:36,053 --> 00:28:39,373
Speaker 3: discussed Chiefs and Reds twenty seven to fifteen, driving rain.

537
00:28:40,413 --> 00:28:42,213
Speaker 4: It was horrible weather. I have much in New Zealand.

538
00:28:42,293 --> 00:28:47,693
Speaker 3: Thursday Friday bucketed down and it was just a niggli

539
00:28:47,773 --> 00:28:50,853
Speaker 3: old game. The Chiefs twenty seven to fifteen winners at

540
00:28:50,853 --> 00:28:54,133
Speaker 3: the end. It was ten all at halftime, the Reds

541
00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:57,493
Speaker 3: scoring a great try through Joe Brile just before the break.

542
00:28:57,653 --> 00:29:01,013
Speaker 3: Can chase, but really hard to get a sentence in

543
00:29:01,053 --> 00:29:03,573
Speaker 3: those kind of conditions and the Chiefs I think just

544
00:29:03,733 --> 00:29:05,693
Speaker 3: managed the game a little bit better. The Reds will

545
00:29:05,693 --> 00:29:07,853
Speaker 3: take a lot out of that, a lot to like.

546
00:29:08,493 --> 00:29:11,453
Speaker 3: Not sure McLachlin. Phillips attends the answer for them, Liner

547
00:29:11,493 --> 00:29:17,413
Speaker 3: looks like a better bet, but top of the table clash,

548
00:29:18,693 --> 00:29:20,933
Speaker 3: they gave their all I think the Reds. But the

549
00:29:21,253 --> 00:29:23,133
Speaker 3: Chiefs are just a little bit too clinical when it

550
00:29:23,253 --> 00:29:27,173
Speaker 3: counted on the night with a silly yellow card for

551
00:29:27,293 --> 00:29:29,653
Speaker 3: Jeffrey tu Munger Allen, which is again for the evidence

552
00:29:29,693 --> 00:29:33,253
Speaker 3: at the TMO needs to just be cast aside. But

553
00:29:34,053 --> 00:29:35,613
Speaker 3: good one for the Chiefs keeps on top of the

554
00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:39,093
Speaker 3: ladder and the Reds, you know, a couple losses Crusaders

555
00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:42,213
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago to the Kiwi teams the Chiefs

556
00:29:42,253 --> 00:29:44,933
Speaker 3: as well, not far away but not quite there yet.

557
00:29:45,893 --> 00:29:46,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

558
00:29:46,453 --> 00:29:49,773
Speaker 5: I think it is an important one for the Chiefs,

559
00:29:49,853 --> 00:29:52,413
Speaker 5: and the Reds have been their bogey team in recent years.

560
00:29:52,453 --> 00:29:55,973
Speaker 5: I think the matches tighter than the twenty seven fifteen

561
00:29:56,053 --> 00:29:59,053
Speaker 5: score line suggests. I agree about Liner, he needs to

562
00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:02,533
Speaker 5: be starting for the Reds, and I do just wonder

563
00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:05,933
Speaker 5: about the chief strategy of stacking their bench of all blacks.

564
00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:08,613
Speaker 5: I think maybe that needs to change as a season

565
00:30:08,653 --> 00:30:12,533
Speaker 5: goes on, because they have been a They're performing well

566
00:30:12,573 --> 00:30:14,173
Speaker 5: at the back end of matches, but they're not quite

567
00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:18,893
Speaker 5: starting as well, so bringing guys like sommersny Takiajo some

568
00:30:19,013 --> 00:30:20,293
Speaker 5: of a penny female off the bench.

569
00:30:20,613 --> 00:30:22,253
Speaker 4: These there's a bit of a waste, isn't it.

570
00:30:23,373 --> 00:30:25,173
Speaker 3: It is, But we've seeing the bench, you know, think

571
00:30:25,173 --> 00:30:26,853
Speaker 3: about the bombs squad and that's what everyone goes to.

572
00:30:27,013 --> 00:30:29,813
Speaker 3: But the last thirty minutes I think now in matches

573
00:30:29,893 --> 00:30:33,493
Speaker 3: is just as important as the first fifty. And I

574
00:30:33,573 --> 00:30:35,493
Speaker 3: think we almost need to get past the idea of

575
00:30:36,493 --> 00:30:40,053
Speaker 3: bench being a relegation bench being you're not good enough

576
00:30:40,133 --> 00:30:41,933
Speaker 3: to be in the starting team. I think we need

577
00:30:42,053 --> 00:30:44,373
Speaker 3: to embrace the concept of finishes. You know, look at

578
00:30:44,413 --> 00:30:47,093
Speaker 3: Malcolm Marx and what he does for the spring Box

579
00:30:47,173 --> 00:30:49,093
Speaker 3: and how good he is replacing bon Gain but Nambi

580
00:30:50,093 --> 00:30:52,373
Speaker 3: the couple of world class players there, but Marks is

581
00:30:52,533 --> 00:30:54,573
Speaker 3: in my mind a better hooker comes off the bench.

582
00:30:54,573 --> 00:30:57,213
Speaker 3: The last thirty minutes absolutely bosses things. So from a

583
00:30:57,253 --> 00:31:01,973
Speaker 3: strategy perspective, I don't necessarily mind it. I think the

584
00:31:02,453 --> 00:31:04,453
Speaker 3: thirty minutes that count of the back end of the games.

585
00:31:04,813 --> 00:31:06,773
Speaker 3: If you're in the first fifty, that's going to close

586
00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:09,813
Speaker 3: out the games. And probably we we said a lot,

587
00:31:09,933 --> 00:31:14,493
Speaker 3: you know, an experience off bench teams change things you

588
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,693
Speaker 3: know Royga goes off the bench, it comes off on.

589
00:31:17,013 --> 00:31:18,533
Speaker 4: There was a weekend weird substitution.

590
00:31:18,693 --> 00:31:20,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, Idianadi comes on with what fifteen to play? You know,

591
00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:22,653
Speaker 3: roy Gard had been very, very good. I thought in

592
00:31:22,733 --> 00:31:25,293
Speaker 3: that game the drop off between Royguard and Eddie and

593
00:31:25,373 --> 00:31:28,133
Speaker 3: Ardi is big massive. But I'm not advocating for Rutguard

594
00:31:28,173 --> 00:31:31,333
Speaker 3: to start, but sometimes sorry to come off the bench.

595
00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:32,773
Speaker 3: I'm not over going for Rodyard to come off the bench.

596
00:31:32,853 --> 00:31:35,533
Speaker 3: Played last thirty minutes, but it's such a big part

597
00:31:35,573 --> 00:31:39,053
Speaker 3: of the game now that I don't necessarily mind it.

598
00:31:39,093 --> 00:31:42,653
Speaker 5: From the Chiefs, Roygard should have played the eighty that

599
00:31:42,773 --> 00:31:46,573
Speaker 5: there's you don't need to make sub substitutions and mean

600
00:31:46,733 --> 00:31:49,973
Speaker 5: he was playing well, and yes, half back to get fatigue,

601
00:31:49,973 --> 00:31:51,853
Speaker 5: but there are certain games that they can play eighty.

602
00:31:52,933 --> 00:31:56,493
Speaker 5: And I understand where you're coming from, and it is

603
00:31:56,613 --> 00:31:59,493
Speaker 5: a lot more common the Crusaders that are in Fiji,

604
00:31:59,653 --> 00:32:01,773
Speaker 5: and I think and that's climates.

605
00:32:02,013 --> 00:32:02,693
Speaker 4: It makes sense.

606
00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:06,053
Speaker 5: But for me, the Chiefs line out struggled a wee

607
00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:09,693
Speaker 5: bit and takeyo Ho for me is a much better

608
00:32:09,733 --> 00:32:12,973
Speaker 5: hooker than Brody McAllister. I'd like to see him for fifty,

609
00:32:13,093 --> 00:32:16,333
Speaker 5: not twenty or thirty and same with Summer Penny Female.

610
00:32:18,213 --> 00:32:20,613
Speaker 5: It's an interesting strategy and I just it's going to

611
00:32:20,653 --> 00:32:23,333
Speaker 5: be interesting to see how that evolves throughout the for

612
00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:25,933
Speaker 5: the Chiefs and other teams like the Crusaders, and we've

613
00:32:25,973 --> 00:32:28,853
Speaker 5: seen it from the Blues. It is much more common,

614
00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:33,973
Speaker 5: like you say, to target those finishers because it's been

615
00:32:34,013 --> 00:32:37,093
Speaker 5: an issue for teams. The Blues have struggled losing games

616
00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:39,693
Speaker 5: late and they tried to stack their bench. Didn't really

617
00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:42,773
Speaker 5: work for them. They've gone back the other way. So yeah,

618
00:32:42,773 --> 00:32:44,093
Speaker 5: there's a bit of trial and error as well.

619
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there certainly is.

620
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Speaker 3: That'll bring up the end of the first half of

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Speaker 3: Rugby Direct back with the second half including the final four.

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Speaker 3: Time now for the second half of the podcast and

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Speaker 3: our final four topic number one, should more be done

630
00:33:19,733 --> 00:33:21,813
Speaker 3: to spread talent around the franchises?

631
00:33:22,013 --> 00:33:22,293
Speaker 4: Liam?

632
00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:24,973
Speaker 3: I suppose we look at the Blues on the weekend.

633
00:33:24,973 --> 00:33:28,173
Speaker 3: They're pitiphetic coming off the bench. Harry Plumber all black

634
00:33:28,213 --> 00:33:32,293
Speaker 3: Cap last year, not in their twenty three. You know

635
00:33:33,293 --> 00:33:35,413
Speaker 3: the teams they're crying out for tens. You think back

636
00:33:35,453 --> 00:33:38,293
Speaker 3: to the Crusaders and twenty years ago and they had

637
00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:43,093
Speaker 3: major Mertons Carter period after that had Colin Sad any

638
00:33:43,173 --> 00:33:45,533
Speaker 3: number of tens. So it's not a new issue. But

639
00:33:45,613 --> 00:33:48,373
Speaker 3: do you think something should be done to prevent quote

640
00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:49,813
Speaker 3: unquote stockpiling of plays?

641
00:33:50,293 --> 00:33:50,493
Speaker 4: Yeah?

642
00:33:50,533 --> 00:33:53,493
Speaker 5: I would like to see New Zealand Rugby be more

643
00:33:53,613 --> 00:33:57,973
Speaker 5: influential in the space to try and push players in

644
00:33:58,053 --> 00:34:01,653
Speaker 5: certain directions. I think we see the success of it

645
00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:05,813
Speaker 5: with guys like Caleb Tunguey Tao and the Highlanders throughout

646
00:34:05,853 --> 00:34:09,533
Speaker 5: Super Rugby. You know the mod An era of players

647
00:34:09,613 --> 00:34:11,973
Speaker 5: getting opportunities and grabbing them.

648
00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:14,013
Speaker 4: On the converter.

649
00:34:14,373 --> 00:34:19,133
Speaker 5: On the contrasting side, players go backwards and don't get

650
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:22,573
Speaker 5: opportunities to push for high honors when they're not playing.

651
00:34:22,773 --> 00:34:25,573
Speaker 5: And is it beneficial for New Zealand Rugby to be

652
00:34:25,653 --> 00:34:32,453
Speaker 5: stockpiling three tens and you've effectively got six quality tens

653
00:34:32,533 --> 00:34:38,813
Speaker 5: and two franchises and the Highlanders Tane Robinson not the answer, unfortunately,

654
00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:43,053
Speaker 5: and the Hurricanes are forced to go to Riley horheapper.

655
00:34:43,773 --> 00:34:46,173
Speaker 5: How much better off would the competition be if the

656
00:34:46,293 --> 00:34:50,773
Speaker 5: Holanders had caleber Trusk or the Hurricanes had Stephen Peterfefer

657
00:34:50,773 --> 00:34:52,693
Speaker 5: who was sitting on the bench and played what fifteen

658
00:34:52,733 --> 00:34:57,453
Speaker 5: minutes at the weekend. I understand the challenges around it,

659
00:34:57,573 --> 00:35:00,333
Speaker 5: and telling players where to go is not ideal, but

660
00:35:01,253 --> 00:35:03,693
Speaker 5: look look at the NBA players get traded on a whim.

661
00:35:03,933 --> 00:35:06,813
Speaker 3: Should the ends should ins o, though, be playing god

662
00:35:08,493 --> 00:35:11,373
Speaker 3: on a professional competition with integrity.

663
00:35:11,013 --> 00:35:13,333
Speaker 4: To go you go there, you go there. I don't

664
00:35:13,373 --> 00:35:15,253
Speaker 4: know if you can be that dictatorial about it, but

665
00:35:15,333 --> 00:35:15,893
Speaker 4: we do see it.

666
00:35:15,973 --> 00:35:21,213
Speaker 5: An Irish rugby Joey Carberry went from Leinster to Munster

667
00:35:22,093 --> 00:35:24,373
Speaker 5: and that there are other examples up there of where

668
00:35:24,453 --> 00:35:28,093
Speaker 5: they I don't think they are saying I don't think

669
00:35:28,093 --> 00:35:31,093
Speaker 5: they do say you must go there, but they say, look,

670
00:35:31,213 --> 00:35:34,133
Speaker 5: your your career is going to be enhanced if you do.

671
00:35:34,813 --> 00:35:38,293
Speaker 3: I would like to see the old school draft system

672
00:35:38,413 --> 00:35:40,893
Speaker 3: come back. And for those that don't recall it, it

673
00:35:41,133 --> 00:35:45,573
Speaker 3: was in the days early from right the start of

674
00:35:45,613 --> 00:35:48,493
Speaker 3: Super rugby until maybe the mid two thousands at a

675
00:35:48,573 --> 00:35:51,613
Speaker 3: guess where this is when the NPC teams are more

676
00:35:51,653 --> 00:35:53,813
Speaker 3: aligned with Super Rugby, be you could protect a certain

677
00:35:53,893 --> 00:35:57,133
Speaker 3: number of players from your patch, from your regions, and

678
00:35:57,253 --> 00:35:59,733
Speaker 3: then once you've done that, you had to fill up

679
00:35:59,773 --> 00:36:02,573
Speaker 3: your squad with players from the draft. So any number

680
00:36:02,613 --> 00:36:04,853
Speaker 3: of players that weren't contracted to go there. I would

681
00:36:04,893 --> 00:36:07,293
Speaker 3: like to see a return to that. Say you could

682
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,333
Speaker 3: contract eight to thirty players and to make up the

683
00:36:10,373 --> 00:36:12,253
Speaker 3: rest of your thirty eight man scored, you go to

684
00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:15,133
Speaker 3: a draft and so you've got a planet advance a

685
00:36:15,213 --> 00:36:17,493
Speaker 3: bit because you want to have Boden Barrett for three

686
00:36:17,613 --> 00:36:20,253
Speaker 3: four seasons. Well, you know that's one player in your

687
00:36:20,333 --> 00:36:22,813
Speaker 3: twenty eight that you have to account for, but you

688
00:36:22,853 --> 00:36:26,013
Speaker 3: can protect that you can protect, and obviously when you

689
00:36:26,093 --> 00:36:31,613
Speaker 3: make signings around protecting players, you know that there's going

690
00:36:31,693 --> 00:36:32,853
Speaker 3: to be some jepardy and there's going to be some

691
00:36:32,893 --> 00:36:35,653
Speaker 3: players that you can't protect that you can only cap

692
00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:38,133
Speaker 3: at twenty eight or whatever the number is. And that

693
00:36:38,253 --> 00:36:41,933
Speaker 3: would then bring those players that aren't contracted to a

694
00:36:42,013 --> 00:36:46,013
Speaker 3: Super Rugby team and say say it's ten spots available

695
00:36:46,053 --> 00:36:49,093
Speaker 3: in each roster, Well that's if you include one to

696
00:36:49,093 --> 00:36:52,453
Speaker 3: PACIFICA sixty spots that could be filled at a point

697
00:36:52,493 --> 00:36:54,773
Speaker 3: in the year, whether it's after the NPC, midway through

698
00:36:54,813 --> 00:37:00,133
Speaker 3: the NBC, whatever it is, and that means that tactically

699
00:37:00,293 --> 00:37:03,493
Speaker 3: you are more likely to be able to go. Let's

700
00:37:03,493 --> 00:37:05,013
Speaker 3: say Harry Plumber is staying in you see on Rugby,

701
00:37:05,053 --> 00:37:07,453
Speaker 3: but Harry Plumber, maybe not protected by the Blues, could

702
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,493
Speaker 3: end up at the Highland, could end up that and

703
00:37:10,453 --> 00:37:12,613
Speaker 3: you take those opportunities there. I would like to see

704
00:37:12,613 --> 00:37:14,333
Speaker 3: a return from that, and what it does do as

705
00:37:14,373 --> 00:37:17,173
Speaker 3: well would keep Super Rugby in the headlines those teams

706
00:37:17,213 --> 00:37:19,773
Speaker 3: in the headlines throughout the rest of the year. Yeah,

707
00:37:19,773 --> 00:37:22,653
Speaker 3: they're not playing. There's a lot of talk around, well,

708
00:37:22,693 --> 00:37:26,253
Speaker 3: we know that player X is on a five year contract,

709
00:37:26,293 --> 00:37:29,373
Speaker 3: so they'll definitely be part of that twenty eight. Will

710
00:37:29,373 --> 00:37:31,093
Speaker 3: they'll take up an option to keep this player in

711
00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:33,613
Speaker 3: the twenty eight Who knows? So it just keeps those

712
00:37:33,613 --> 00:37:36,613
Speaker 3: storylines going but also helps level the playing field a

713
00:37:36,653 --> 00:37:37,013
Speaker 3: little bit.

714
00:37:37,253 --> 00:37:38,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it. The last point I'm going to

715
00:37:38,853 --> 00:37:39,253
Speaker 4: pick up on.

716
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,813
Speaker 5: The one thing Super Rabi could do to really shoot

717
00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:46,533
Speaker 5: itself into lights is have a competition wide draft and

718
00:37:46,653 --> 00:37:52,373
Speaker 5: there are massive logistical challenges with that with players New

719
00:37:52,493 --> 00:37:56,213
Speaker 5: Zealand players going to Australian teams and your pathways and

720
00:37:56,253 --> 00:37:59,173
Speaker 5: all those sorts of things. But what you're suggesting is

721
00:37:59,173 --> 00:38:02,013
Speaker 5: a bit of a compromise. You protect X amount of

722
00:38:02,053 --> 00:38:07,533
Speaker 5: players and then there's a pool that you could market

723
00:38:08,053 --> 00:38:12,253
Speaker 5: and people would be fascinated by engaging with that.

724
00:38:12,493 --> 00:38:15,093
Speaker 3: We look at the Big Bash League and they do

725
00:38:15,213 --> 00:38:19,573
Speaker 3: the overseas player draft and various other things that go

726
00:38:19,653 --> 00:38:22,373
Speaker 3: around as a televised program. You know, couldn't tell me

727
00:38:22,453 --> 00:38:25,173
Speaker 3: that Sky Sport, couldn't tell me that US here wouldn't

728
00:38:25,173 --> 00:38:28,653
Speaker 3: want to do some sort of event coverage around it.

729
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:31,853
Speaker 3: When teams are going to pick you know, their players

730
00:38:31,893 --> 00:38:33,653
Speaker 3: to fool their squads. Yeah, they're not the pick of

731
00:38:33,693 --> 00:38:36,173
Speaker 3: the crop, the cream of the crop, these players because

732
00:38:36,173 --> 00:38:38,813
Speaker 3: they're not protected. But there is you know, a lot

733
00:38:38,973 --> 00:38:41,053
Speaker 3: a lot of interest around who goes where and what

734
00:38:41,173 --> 00:38:43,893
Speaker 3: decisions he made and look, you know, maybe a team

735
00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:47,293
Speaker 3: needs an extra first five, an extra halfback, whatever it is.

736
00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:50,413
Speaker 3: There's a lot of you know, genuine strategy and tactics

737
00:38:50,493 --> 00:38:51,173
Speaker 3: that would go into it.

738
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:54,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the narratives and storylines that flow out of that.

739
00:38:54,613 --> 00:38:56,813
Speaker 5: Look at a guy like Preston and the impact he

740
00:38:56,973 --> 00:39:00,053
Speaker 5: made scoring three tries on Debous for the Crusaders now

741
00:39:00,093 --> 00:39:03,813
Speaker 5: he was picked up out of NPC and Wellington and

742
00:39:04,093 --> 00:39:07,053
Speaker 5: so some of those fringe guys can actually have a

743
00:39:07,133 --> 00:39:10,813
Speaker 5: massive impact. Tongueytail is another one and we've seen it

744
00:39:10,853 --> 00:39:13,893
Speaker 5: with the Honders with the holo going down there over

745
00:39:13,933 --> 00:39:18,013
Speaker 5: the years. And yeah, a third string first five at

746
00:39:18,053 --> 00:39:20,173
Speaker 5: the Chiefs or Blues as a starter.

747
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:23,693
Speaker 4: Right now for the Hurricanes and Highlanders. So I like

748
00:39:23,773 --> 00:39:24,293
Speaker 4: the concept.

749
00:39:24,373 --> 00:39:26,333
Speaker 5: I think there does need to be some sort of

750
00:39:27,813 --> 00:39:33,453
Speaker 5: caveats or notion for pushing players and spreading the talent

751
00:39:33,613 --> 00:39:37,213
Speaker 5: and it's only going to enhance the competitiveness of the competition, which.

752
00:39:37,053 --> 00:39:38,613
Speaker 3: Is exactly what we want. And it's not like it's

753
00:39:38,613 --> 00:39:40,653
Speaker 3: not competitive at the moment, but just that talent spread

754
00:39:40,733 --> 00:39:43,653
Speaker 3: could be could be spread better. Topic number so the

755
00:39:43,733 --> 00:39:46,053
Speaker 3: Orpecky Final Blues and Matter two seven o five on

756
00:39:46,373 --> 00:39:49,613
Speaker 3: Saturday evening. We talked abouit last week about the scheduling there,

757
00:39:49,693 --> 00:39:54,093
Speaker 3: which to me remains baffling. All for women's rugby, all

758
00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:56,213
Speaker 3: for promoting it, all for having it in prime time,

759
00:39:57,813 --> 00:40:00,053
Speaker 3: and I get there are different audiences, but just don't

760
00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:05,333
Speaker 3: quite get the logic around it. When you want to

761
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:07,973
Speaker 3: expose your brand. When there's a Highlanders drawer which is

762
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:10,413
Speaker 3: a must game for both teams on the other channel,

763
00:40:10,573 --> 00:40:13,893
Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's all about promoting it. And

764
00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:17,133
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they shouldn't be playing in primetime, but

765
00:40:17,253 --> 00:40:20,773
Speaker 3: you've got to give people opportunity to find it, and

766
00:40:20,893 --> 00:40:23,013
Speaker 3: I think that's the issue. But regardless, who do you

767
00:40:23,013 --> 00:40:25,333
Speaker 3: think is going to win this weekend? Blues and we

768
00:40:25,373 --> 00:40:28,133
Speaker 3: had a loss to the chiefs manwer on the weekend

769
00:40:28,173 --> 00:40:30,693
Speaker 3: the Blues beat the Hurricanes, who are probably much more

770
00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:33,733
Speaker 3: competitive than they have been throughout the entirety of this competition.

771
00:40:35,813 --> 00:40:37,653
Speaker 4: My head says Blues at home and Eden Park at

772
00:40:37,653 --> 00:40:39,653
Speaker 4: the victory. It is first one that scheduling.

773
00:40:39,973 --> 00:40:42,933
Speaker 5: We obviously touched on it last week, but so it's

774
00:40:43,573 --> 00:40:46,853
Speaker 5: after the Blues Maana as well, and there's no Super

775
00:40:46,893 --> 00:40:51,013
Speaker 5: Raugby game prior to that. So I really don't understand

776
00:40:51,613 --> 00:40:54,533
Speaker 5: why you wouldn't have it as you don't have to

777
00:40:54,613 --> 00:40:56,933
Speaker 5: call it the curtain raiser, It's still call it a doubleheaderah,

778
00:40:57,053 --> 00:40:58,933
Speaker 5: But I think it makes much more sense to have

779
00:40:59,053 --> 00:41:03,533
Speaker 5: it in an un congested window and have the Blues

780
00:41:03,573 --> 00:41:05,853
Speaker 5: and Wana after that. I think you're much more likely

781
00:41:05,973 --> 00:41:09,493
Speaker 5: to get fans coming in pre match for the Blues

782
00:41:10,133 --> 00:41:14,373
Speaker 5: men men men's team rather than staying afterwards for a

783
00:41:14,493 --> 00:41:18,093
Speaker 5: seven o five kickoff. Maybe Club Rugby there is an

784
00:41:18,173 --> 00:41:22,773
Speaker 5: argument there, but yeah, I totally agree about the scheduling. Baffling.

785
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:26,413
Speaker 5: Look on the final, it's the first time the Chiefs

786
00:41:26,453 --> 00:41:29,293
Speaker 5: haven't been in it. So interesting there, and it will

787
00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:31,293
Speaker 5: be the first time I think, correct me if I'm

788
00:41:31,293 --> 00:41:33,933
Speaker 5: wrong that a team will go back to back. Might

789
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 5: or two might have sayn to say about that, but yes,

790
00:41:37,493 --> 00:41:39,773
Speaker 5: well they won the title in that but yeah, this

791
00:41:39,893 --> 00:41:42,053
Speaker 5: is the first Yeah, the first time that summer. You're

792
00:41:42,053 --> 00:41:43,733
Speaker 5: saying that this was the first time a team's going

793
00:41:43,773 --> 00:41:46,093
Speaker 5: back to back to win it. Yeah, they going to

794
00:41:46,093 --> 00:41:48,573
Speaker 5: win it first. Well, the Blues have won one yea

795
00:41:48,933 --> 00:41:51,333
Speaker 5: and Multa two have won one. Yeah, so it will

796
00:41:51,373 --> 00:41:53,253
Speaker 5: be the first time that any team has gone back

797
00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:58,893
Speaker 5: to back well one two, Yes, but the Blues will

798
00:41:58,933 --> 00:42:01,493
Speaker 5: win sor Okay, we got.

799
00:42:01,373 --> 00:42:03,173
Speaker 4: There at the end. Topic number three came on a

800
00:42:03,173 --> 00:42:05,773
Speaker 4: Pacific A win Super Rugby.

801
00:42:08,133 --> 00:42:09,853
Speaker 5: Then need to play eighty minutes, so right now I'd

802
00:42:09,933 --> 00:42:13,253
Speaker 5: say no, But they are fully capable of knocking over

803
00:42:13,293 --> 00:42:14,133
Speaker 5: anyone on their day.

804
00:42:15,013 --> 00:42:17,253
Speaker 3: I think they can win. I genuinely do think they

805
00:42:17,333 --> 00:42:19,653
Speaker 3: can win if they If they beat the Blues this week,

806
00:42:19,693 --> 00:42:21,573
Speaker 3: they get it, they continue to get that role on.

807
00:42:21,653 --> 00:42:23,013
Speaker 4: I just think they're going to be very very hard

808
00:42:23,053 --> 00:42:23,453
Speaker 4: to stop.

809
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:26,173
Speaker 3: And the higher they get in the playoffs, which they're

810
00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:28,733
Speaker 3: on the outside looking in at the moment, you know

811
00:42:28,773 --> 00:42:30,293
Speaker 3: they're going to play at home. We know how big

812
00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:32,413
Speaker 3: that is for them, very very hard team to beat.

813
00:42:33,213 --> 00:42:36,853
Speaker 3: Now at North Harbor, I think they can win again.

814
00:42:36,933 --> 00:42:39,173
Speaker 3: It's their eighty minute performance and they'll look back now

815
00:42:39,213 --> 00:42:41,173
Speaker 3: and go should have had that force win, should have

816
00:42:41,213 --> 00:42:43,253
Speaker 3: had that high end as win. Hell, probably should have

817
00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:45,693
Speaker 3: even beat in the Chiefs even in all honesty, despite

818
00:42:45,733 --> 00:42:47,573
Speaker 3: being forty three to seven down. You know they don't

819
00:42:47,573 --> 00:42:49,333
Speaker 3: can see one or two of those tries. They're right

820
00:42:49,413 --> 00:42:52,973
Speaker 3: in that game, So there are missed opportunities. If they

821
00:42:53,053 --> 00:42:56,133
Speaker 3: can keep delivering the way that they are, they're not

822
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:59,253
Speaker 3: out of any contest. We've seen that. I genuinely think.

823
00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:00,773
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they will win, but I think they

824
00:43:01,053 --> 00:43:03,293
Speaker 3: are capable of winning Super Rugby this year.

825
00:43:04,053 --> 00:43:07,853
Speaker 5: Yeah. What I would say is they've already vastly exceeded

826
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 5: my expectations. I didn't expect them to be in the

827
00:43:10,573 --> 00:43:13,253
Speaker 5: top six picture realistically this year. I thought maybe next

828
00:43:13,333 --> 00:43:16,053
Speaker 5: year in terms of the incremental growth that we've seen

829
00:43:16,093 --> 00:43:21,013
Speaker 5: from them now having gone back to back, grasp that

830
00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:24,373
Speaker 5: consistency and keep the ball rolling. So I'd like to

831
00:43:24,413 --> 00:43:28,733
Speaker 5: see more consistency throughout the game. Put together an eighty

832
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:33,693
Speaker 5: minute performance. But come the playoffs, I think the cream

833
00:43:33,693 --> 00:43:35,893
Speaker 5: will rise and I think we are starting to see

834
00:43:35,933 --> 00:43:36,493
Speaker 5: that slowly.

835
00:43:37,133 --> 00:43:39,453
Speaker 3: Indeed's topic four, but later the party on this meant

836
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:42,613
Speaker 3: to discuss it last week. But over the last couple

837
00:43:42,653 --> 00:43:45,613
Speaker 3: of weeks the ANZAC Dave Bladslower Cup test, which was

838
00:43:45,973 --> 00:43:49,173
Speaker 3: floated by Australia Western Australian Government, we're going to put

839
00:43:49,213 --> 00:43:52,413
Speaker 3: some money into it. Using on Rugby said no thanks

840
00:43:53,453 --> 00:43:57,133
Speaker 3: your reaction to that because speak rather heated across the TAZM.

841
00:43:56,893 --> 00:43:59,613
Speaker 5: To that it has Tim Morem came out in slam

842
00:43:59,693 --> 00:44:03,893
Speaker 5: New Zealand Rugby and I needed some fact checking on this.

843
00:44:04,053 --> 00:44:08,453
Speaker 5: But he suggested that money that Western Force government we're

844
00:44:08,453 --> 00:44:11,533
Speaker 5: putting up, that the teams are going to be handsomely compensating.

845
00:44:12,133 --> 00:44:12,733
Speaker 4: Compensated.

846
00:44:13,293 --> 00:44:15,293
Speaker 5: He was suggesting to the tune of two hundred thousand

847
00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:18,933
Speaker 5: dollars I'd like to see the figures on that. But

848
00:44:19,653 --> 00:44:22,093
Speaker 5: also on this side of the Tasman Jeff Wilson and

849
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:27,773
Speaker 5: Justin Marshall supported to Morren's views that ZEBI could do more.

850
00:44:28,613 --> 00:44:30,453
Speaker 5: The issue around it is you'd have to take All

851
00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:33,773
Speaker 5: Blacks and Wallabies out of Super Ragby for two weeks

852
00:44:34,093 --> 00:44:39,253
Speaker 5: and we've seen the backlash around that with All Black

853
00:44:39,293 --> 00:44:45,693
Speaker 5: rests and that notwithstanding, I would like to see the

854
00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:48,893
Speaker 5: concept investigated more. I think it would be a hit

855
00:44:50,013 --> 00:44:51,933
Speaker 5: to see the All Blacks and the Wallabies play one

856
00:44:51,973 --> 00:44:55,493
Speaker 5: off test at a different time of year. Anything New

857
00:44:56,733 --> 00:45:00,213
Speaker 5: garners a bit of interest, but there are clearly widespread

858
00:45:00,293 --> 00:45:04,573
Speaker 5: problems and you are cannibalizing Super Rugby just as it's

859
00:45:04,613 --> 00:45:06,573
Speaker 5: starting to really take off.

860
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:09,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just makes no sense to me whatsoever this concept,

861
00:45:09,733 --> 00:45:12,453
Speaker 3: and I think New Zealand Rugby are right to reject it.

862
00:45:12,693 --> 00:45:14,653
Speaker 3: So they would have had to play in Perth every year,

863
00:45:15,133 --> 00:45:18,413
Speaker 3: so that would have meant well, you'd still play one

864
00:45:18,453 --> 00:45:19,773
Speaker 3: blitter is the start of the year and they have

865
00:45:19,813 --> 00:45:23,293
Speaker 3: to play two in the Rugby Championship, so Perth gets one.

866
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:27,093
Speaker 3: So Australia would New Zealand would play two away games

867
00:45:27,133 --> 00:45:29,613
Speaker 3: and the Blitters every year potentially.

868
00:45:29,653 --> 00:45:32,813
Speaker 4: Well maybe they'll be a compromise that some years is

869
00:45:32,853 --> 00:45:36,373
Speaker 4: too in New Zealand and you pause Super Rugby for

870
00:45:36,493 --> 00:45:39,053
Speaker 4: a week or two weeks or do you think it going?

871
00:45:39,133 --> 00:45:41,253
Speaker 4: I think it keeps going. But yeah, it losire all

872
00:45:41,253 --> 00:45:41,813
Speaker 4: Blacks plays.

873
00:45:41,973 --> 00:45:44,333
Speaker 5: It is a massive handicap to take all the All

874
00:45:44,373 --> 00:45:48,733
Speaker 5: Blacks and Wallabies out for two whole weeks and that

875
00:45:48,973 --> 00:45:51,733
Speaker 5: does massively compromise the integrity of the competition.

876
00:45:52,213 --> 00:45:54,773
Speaker 3: And you land on a very busy sporting day already

877
00:45:54,813 --> 00:45:59,053
Speaker 3: across Australia there's what three NRL games, the Warriors of

878
00:45:59,133 --> 00:46:01,733
Speaker 3: nagot One on the side of the Tasman, there's the

879
00:46:01,853 --> 00:46:05,893
Speaker 3: traditional Roosters, Saint George la Warror.

880
00:46:05,973 --> 00:46:06,533
Speaker 4: I think it is.

881
00:46:06,893 --> 00:46:09,773
Speaker 5: I think the Black it's the traditional AFL games. Bill

882
00:46:09,813 --> 00:46:12,053
Speaker 5: Black's trump set certainly in New Zealand's yep.

883
00:46:12,093 --> 00:46:14,813
Speaker 3: But you're landing on a very busy Australian sporting calendar.

884
00:46:15,053 --> 00:46:16,973
Speaker 3: So where did the headlines come from? Where do you

885
00:46:17,653 --> 00:46:20,173
Speaker 3: find a way to I know you're in Perth and

886
00:46:20,253 --> 00:46:23,373
Speaker 3: then probably the interest will gravitate there. But you're landing

887
00:46:23,413 --> 00:46:26,133
Speaker 3: on what is a very very busy sporting day as

888
00:46:26,213 --> 00:46:28,653
Speaker 3: it stands I know that clearly, pers just want to

889
00:46:28,693 --> 00:46:30,453
Speaker 3: slice that Anzac day pie.

890
00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:33,573
Speaker 5: I think they sell out that new stadium, no problem

891
00:46:33,893 --> 00:46:36,773
Speaker 5: up there. There's plenty of expats, they get, the Force,

892
00:46:37,053 --> 00:46:40,853
Speaker 5: get great support. It's a great venue and the All

893
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:44,933
Speaker 5: Blacks are hugely popular. It's Australian Rugby's number one ticket,

894
00:46:45,333 --> 00:46:47,813
Speaker 5: so no problem selling that out. It would be a

895
00:46:47,973 --> 00:46:53,493
Speaker 5: ratings hit. The issue is the massive hit that Super

896
00:46:53,533 --> 00:46:54,093
Speaker 5: Rugby takes.

897
00:46:54,413 --> 00:46:55,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting one. I just look at you. I think

898
00:46:55,893 --> 00:46:58,693
Speaker 3: that the concepts now did in the water the Anzac test. Liam.

899
00:46:58,733 --> 00:47:05,293
Speaker 3: Let's get into our tipping Hurricanes Crusaders Friday nights. In fact, Liam,

900
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:09,533
Speaker 3: let's get into that tipping recap last week five. The

901
00:47:09,613 --> 00:47:12,893
Speaker 3: side of the table. You got two of five chiefs

902
00:47:12,933 --> 00:47:14,253
Speaker 3: and wine to right. Everything's wrong.

903
00:47:14,693 --> 00:47:17,653
Speaker 5: Tough to take, isn't it. My two teams the Drawer

904
00:47:17,693 --> 00:47:20,493
Speaker 5: and the Canes. Your two teams heartbreaking.

905
00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:23,333
Speaker 3: So I've now got a six point leader as it stands,

906
00:47:23,373 --> 00:47:26,493
Speaker 3: which is great news for my fans out there and myself.

907
00:47:26,973 --> 00:47:32,773
Speaker 4: Hurrigan's Crusaders Friday nights in the Capitol. Oh, Elliot, Elias, Elies.

908
00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:36,813
Speaker 3: It's just look this on the Crusaders on the weekend

909
00:47:36,893 --> 00:47:38,093
Speaker 3: surely you want to see them when.

910
00:47:38,613 --> 00:47:40,813
Speaker 5: No one wants to see them one mate, Okay, let's

911
00:47:40,853 --> 00:47:42,853
Speaker 5: get that clear from the outset. But I am going

912
00:47:42,933 --> 00:47:43,373
Speaker 5: to tip them.

913
00:47:43,493 --> 00:47:47,813
Speaker 4: It breaks my hearts, but I need to make up

914
00:47:47,893 --> 00:47:48,493
Speaker 4: some ground here.

915
00:47:48,813 --> 00:47:50,693
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you're not gonna make it anything ground because

916
00:47:50,693 --> 00:47:54,933
Speaker 3: I've also picked the Crusaders, so that's a block. Wartars

917
00:47:54,973 --> 00:47:58,733
Speaker 3: and Chiefs nine thirty five in Sydney. You talked earlier

918
00:47:58,773 --> 00:48:01,173
Speaker 3: about the war Retars. You know good at home? Is

919
00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:04,173
Speaker 3: this the way they get back into form by beating

920
00:48:04,253 --> 00:48:05,493
Speaker 3: the competition's top team.

921
00:48:06,613 --> 00:48:08,853
Speaker 5: Look, they'll be happy to get home Camp's sleep in

922
00:48:08,893 --> 00:48:12,133
Speaker 5: your own beds and get a stick over their head

923
00:48:12,133 --> 00:48:14,973
Speaker 5: from Dan McCall. Probably, But no, they're not going to

924
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:15,973
Speaker 5: beat the Chiefs Incidney.

925
00:48:16,053 --> 00:48:16,773
Speaker 4: I tend to agree.

926
00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:19,693
Speaker 3: Blues more Water Pacific at four thirty five on Saturday,

927
00:48:19,733 --> 00:48:22,133
Speaker 3: looking forward to this one at Eden Park and all

928
00:48:22,213 --> 00:48:26,773
Speaker 3: that might bring. Can we want to go three in

929
00:48:26,893 --> 00:48:29,173
Speaker 3: a row? Went back to back for the first time

930
00:48:29,213 --> 00:48:31,173
Speaker 3: on the weekend. Can they make it three?

931
00:48:31,813 --> 00:48:32,413
Speaker 4: Yeah? They can.

932
00:48:33,493 --> 00:48:36,453
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna tip them to do so, but that

933
00:48:36,533 --> 00:48:38,973
Speaker 5: they are real chance just just on. This game has

934
00:48:39,013 --> 00:48:41,373
Speaker 5: been billed by the Blues ironically as a bit of

935
00:48:41,453 --> 00:48:43,453
Speaker 5: a celebration of pacifica rugby.

936
00:48:43,933 --> 00:48:47,013
Speaker 4: And that's that's pretty special, isn't it.

937
00:48:47,053 --> 00:48:49,173
Speaker 5: When you think about some of the greats of the game,

938
00:48:49,373 --> 00:48:52,813
Speaker 5: many of them are Pacific Pacific, many of them do

939
00:48:52,933 --> 00:48:56,893
Speaker 5: have Pacific heritage. So hopefully it's a festival atmosphere and

940
00:48:57,293 --> 00:48:59,693
Speaker 5: the weather plays ball and it all comes together. But

941
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:00,933
Speaker 5: I am going to tip the Blue.

942
00:49:01,013 --> 00:49:02,453
Speaker 3: I'm going to as well, but boy it would be

943
00:49:02,493 --> 00:49:06,493
Speaker 3: great SIMI wan to win another one. Highlanders drew at

944
00:49:06,573 --> 00:49:08,693
Speaker 3: nine the eleven big game in the common text to

945
00:49:08,773 --> 00:49:12,653
Speaker 3: both of these two teams seasons, Liam, can the Highlanders,

946
00:49:14,173 --> 00:49:16,293
Speaker 3: you know, get back to winning ways at home?

947
00:49:16,533 --> 00:49:19,493
Speaker 4: Stop the Rock? Yes, look, Jamie will have them working

948
00:49:19,533 --> 00:49:20,333
Speaker 4: pretty hard this week.

949
00:49:20,373 --> 00:49:20,413
Speaker 3: Go.

950
00:49:20,413 --> 00:49:23,613
Speaker 5: I'd suggest the Drua have been very poor the last

951
00:49:23,653 --> 00:49:27,613
Speaker 5: two weeks. Got belted in Perth by the Force and

952
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:29,653
Speaker 5: they dropped a lot of ball. Their lineup was a

953
00:49:29,733 --> 00:49:33,493
Speaker 5: shambles against the Crusaders and Suver. So yes, I'm going

954
00:49:33,533 --> 00:49:34,173
Speaker 5: to tip the Landers.

955
00:49:34,253 --> 00:49:37,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see the drew unfortunately going to Dunedin

956
00:49:37,853 --> 00:49:41,333
Speaker 3: Reds Brumbies. We've gone full from four and similar tips

957
00:49:41,373 --> 00:49:43,653
Speaker 3: here At this point in time, Bre's hosting the Brumbies

958
00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:45,253
Speaker 3: in Brisbane Saturday nights.

959
00:49:46,533 --> 00:49:49,253
Speaker 4: Read's are the best team in Australia, so I'm going

960
00:49:49,333 --> 00:49:49,813
Speaker 4: to tip them.

961
00:49:50,373 --> 00:49:52,453
Speaker 3: I'm going to the Brumbies run upset. I reckon they

962
00:49:52,533 --> 00:49:55,613
Speaker 3: might be able to do it in Brisbane and that

963
00:49:55,693 --> 00:49:58,013
Speaker 3: would really check things up from a competition perspective, as

964
00:49:58,053 --> 00:50:00,693
Speaker 3: well as bragging rights to the best of Stralian team.

965
00:50:00,773 --> 00:50:03,893
Speaker 3: As we head for the home stretch in Super Rugby

966
00:50:04,453 --> 00:50:07,253
Speaker 3: Rugby Direct MVP Medal voting quick recapable where we sit

967
00:50:07,293 --> 00:50:09,213
Speaker 3: Addie save at eleven pins to mar They have a

968
00:50:09,253 --> 00:50:11,773
Speaker 3: dove An ol Way and Patrick Palagrini tied for second

969
00:50:11,813 --> 00:50:14,173
Speaker 3: on eight and then in behind on six Quinta Pie Will,

970
00:50:14,253 --> 00:50:17,813
Speaker 3: Jordan Tuplessi Cofi and Damien McKenzie. Do any of those

971
00:50:17,893 --> 00:50:21,253
Speaker 3: players get any points this week? Liamb you threety Ones please?

972
00:50:21,933 --> 00:50:24,613
Speaker 5: Yes, Elliot, I'm going to go Bone and Barrett for three.

973
00:50:25,453 --> 00:50:30,333
Speaker 5: Very much a virtuo so performance from Bowden. Some banana kicks,

974
00:50:30,893 --> 00:50:34,133
Speaker 5: I think, was it. Tony Johnson said something like you'd

975
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:37,253
Speaker 5: never seen so much swing at Eden Park since Larnce

976
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:41,813
Speaker 5: Ken's very good. Boden had what one meter to work

977
00:50:41,853 --> 00:50:45,333
Speaker 5: in and he peeled off forty meters, probably overkicked a

978
00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:47,373
Speaker 5: little bit at times, but there was clearly the tactics.

979
00:50:47,773 --> 00:50:49,973
Speaker 5: Great performance from Boden, so he gets my three. Two

980
00:50:50,013 --> 00:50:53,653
Speaker 5: to Ardie Severe very influential for moueo again and one

981
00:50:53,733 --> 00:50:57,253
Speaker 5: to Luke Jacobson who was strong for the Chiefs. Well.

982
00:50:57,293 --> 00:50:58,973
Speaker 3: Our threes and ones are the same. Bone and Barrett

983
00:50:59,053 --> 00:51:01,653
Speaker 3: three for me Luke Jacobson one for methods leadership in

984
00:51:02,293 --> 00:51:06,573
Speaker 3: weak conditions in the game that wasn't overly expansive. I

985
00:51:06,613 --> 00:51:09,493
Speaker 3: thought was very very very good. No Hopeam gets my

986
00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:13,613
Speaker 3: two points key in that Crusaders performance came back from

987
00:51:13,613 --> 00:51:15,693
Speaker 3: an injury in round one and we're now looking at

988
00:51:15,733 --> 00:51:17,493
Speaker 3: that form and going this is the kind of player

989
00:51:17,573 --> 00:51:20,533
Speaker 3: that got into the All Blacks last year. Cole Preston

990
00:51:20,533 --> 00:51:22,533
Speaker 3: has been playing well for the Crusaders currently ad injured,

991
00:51:22,573 --> 00:51:24,333
Speaker 3: but I think you look at Hotham and Preston, they've

992
00:51:24,333 --> 00:51:26,253
Speaker 3: got a couple of good half backs there and someone

993
00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:29,653
Speaker 3: like a Mitchell Drummond who's been a centurion for the

994
00:51:29,733 --> 00:51:34,693
Speaker 3: Crusaders now probably their third pick halfback, which is remarkable

995
00:51:34,733 --> 00:51:34,973
Speaker 3: to see.

996
00:51:35,013 --> 00:51:37,773
Speaker 4: But he gets my two. That does it for rugby.

997
00:51:37,813 --> 00:51:41,013
Speaker 3: Dirick though for another week, Liam, any overseas adventures coming

998
00:51:41,053 --> 00:51:42,813
Speaker 3: up for you this week, or you're staying in New zeal.

999
00:51:42,973 --> 00:51:45,773
Speaker 5: No overseas trips, but a special occasion. My sister is

1000
00:51:45,813 --> 00:51:50,373
Speaker 5: getting married, so we'll be watching the Hurricanes Crusaders from there.

1001
00:51:50,613 --> 00:51:53,093
Speaker 5: Just keep that under wraps so they don't tell her.

1002
00:51:53,773 --> 00:51:57,173
Speaker 3: Well, I'm assuming she's not a loyal listener of Rugby Directs,

1003
00:51:57,213 --> 00:52:00,773
Speaker 3: otherwise the secret might be out. Just checking the ear

1004
00:52:00,773 --> 00:52:02,693
Speaker 3: button and maybe listen on gold Sport as well. I'm

1005
00:52:02,733 --> 00:52:04,493
Speaker 3: sure you'll be fine. None will notice if you've got

1006
00:52:04,493 --> 00:52:06,173
Speaker 3: an airpit button. I'm sure during the wedding you'll be

1007
00:52:06,453 --> 00:52:08,733
Speaker 3: be fun. It'll do us for Rugby Direct rather weak.

1008
00:52:08,733 --> 00:52:10,813
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1009
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