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Speaker 1: Jerian and iahag the radio show from six twelteen weekdays

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Speaker 2: Hierarchy Breakfast Breathorn Welcome to the Hierarchy Breakfast. Firstly, there'll

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Speaker 2: be a lot of people who are listening who would

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Speaker 2: like to know what you're up to at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, I'm I actually

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Speaker 3: coached first fifteen rugby in Brisbane. That's for one of

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Speaker 3: the lead private schools over there, and it's been a

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Speaker 3: tone down from me, I guess coaching at super abbie level.

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Speaker 3: It's been a really enjoyable couple of years, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: and you know a few other things along with it.

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Speaker 4: So what's the biggest difference with coach in the first fifteen?

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Speaker 4: Can't swear it them, I suppose.

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Speaker 3: Do you know? Do you know what? It's really cool?

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Speaker 3: You know the kids that I haven't learned any bad

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Speaker 3: haven't yet, you know, at the end of twelve years

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Speaker 3: of study, so they're really open to learning, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's been really enjoyable, you know, really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Has it been successful? Has the team been successful? Because

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at pretty much every team you ever

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Speaker 2: played for one, so are these guys winning as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, I actually got a wooden spoons usually keep that secret.

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Speaker 3: The the that they've got they've gone a k yeah,

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Speaker 3: which sort of like mid mid table. So yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the on the front of the book it says

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Speaker 4: lessons learned and footy and life to build a winning mindset.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of quotes in there from other people

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Speaker 4: about you know, your winning. As Jerry just mentioned there,

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Speaker 4: I feel like some people are just born wheners. Do

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Speaker 4: you feel like some people are born losers as well?

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Speaker 4: Like for example, this show here, we've been struggling. What

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Speaker 4: is it that we don't understand about the winning mindset?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? Mate? People remember Wayne Bennett when

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Speaker 3: I left the Broncos, he introduced me on the stage

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Speaker 3: and I was going to get through the Crusaders for

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Speaker 3: the second time, and he just said, Brad's you a winner?

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Speaker 3: And I got my chance to say a few words,

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Speaker 3: and I told him, I told the crowd and that

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Speaker 3: that you know, I learned about winning by losing. I

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Speaker 3: lost for the first fifteen years of my life because

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Speaker 3: I was in a highly competitive family with her father

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Speaker 3: and a brother. He's six foot eight, I'm six five,

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Speaker 3: so he towers over me, and he was two years older,

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Speaker 3: and they basically kicked my butt for fifteen years. So

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Speaker 3: maybe for you guys, you know, as losers, you're going

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Speaker 3: to you know, you're going to learn about what it

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Speaker 3: takes to win, and I see a bright future.

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Speaker 2: I want to know how much of a role you're

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Speaker 2: talking about, you know, growing up with a father and

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Speaker 2: a larger older brother. How much of a role did

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Speaker 2: growing up mosgew Winter's play and your mental and physical resilience?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big time, Yeah, but it was more. I moved

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Speaker 3: to a place called bannet Burn in their town called

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Speaker 3: Cromwell in central Otago, and you speak as we ran

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Speaker 3: on the field with the fast and we were just rugged,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, it's a great upbringing.

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Speaker 4: Yep, freezing part of it. Bankburn on the rail trail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes up past Alex. I think all the

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Speaker 3: way to Queenstown. Something I want to do one day.

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Speaker 3: But when I get some time.

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Speaker 2: Play professional sport until you're forty one, that's quite intense

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Speaker 2: because it wasn't like you were hanging out on the

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Speaker 2: wing or anything. Do you miss you obviously enjoyed getting smashed.

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Speaker 2: Do you miss getting smashed?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes? I walk down the street and they'll be at

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Speaker 3: the traffic lights and people were gathering on the other

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Speaker 3: side of the road going to walk, and I see

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Speaker 3: a pile of them. I want to smash them. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm like that old the old soldier that

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Speaker 3: has PTSD And you know then I'm going to remind myself, no, Brad,

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Speaker 3: just walk nicely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard

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Speaker 2: anyone in my life. It's so honest.

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Speaker 4: He sees bowling pins.

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Speaker 2: Well, what was the toughest physical encounter you ever played?

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Speaker 2: And you must remember it.

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Speaker 3: When I was younger coming through as lighter Lena, as

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Speaker 3: a nineteen year old play in an URL. They were

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Speaker 3: tough games because I was throwing myself about and you know,

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Speaker 3: I was just a young guy developing, So they were

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Speaker 3: the toughest games. But Origin is a brutal spring box

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Speaker 3: at you know, altitude in Africa, just a heavyweight title

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Speaker 3: fight that they were good competitions as well.

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Speaker 1: Gerrian and I joined the complaint so I'd ack you

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Speaker 1: breakfast discussion group on Facebook for more.

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Speaker 4: I've a lot said in your book about the training

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Speaker 4: side of it. Obviously that was a big part of

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Speaker 4: it to you. I have worked with Beaver before in

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Speaker 4: the past, and he told me his story or a

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Speaker 4: rumor that allegedly you used to make him and Conrad

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Speaker 4: Smith do bench press competitions to find out who the

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Speaker 4: weakest all Black was. Is that true?

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Speaker 3: That's true? It was. Yeah. I used to sit behind

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Speaker 3: Conrade on the bus and the poor guy he got

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Speaker 3: purpled by me for four years because I am I

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Speaker 3: am actually a past People probably won't realize that, but

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Speaker 3: I used to sit on his shoulder in the bus

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Speaker 3: and I'd say, you know, you're not fast, You're not strong,

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Speaker 3: You're not you're not that. How are you and this team?

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Speaker 3: And I used to just be bantering. But and then

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Speaker 3: along came Conrad's equal in Beaver, and that's why I said,

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Speaker 3: let's find out the battle of the most And I

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Speaker 3: think Beaver came out at the top of the bench

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Speaker 3: one one fifteen to so maybe one turn or something. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But one thing I'll say about Conrad mate loves to

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Speaker 3: churn up, eating up forever.

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Speaker 2: What was the biggest celebration you were ever involved in?

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Speaker 2: I mean, were you a big celebrator? I mean, or

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Speaker 2: by the end of your career, could you not be

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Speaker 2: asked celebrating because you won too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just love winning titles and winning and you know,

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Speaker 3: just to be fair, it's the whole journey of that. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: all the work that goes in. And I grew up

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Speaker 3: with her saying from my primary school that my dad

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Speaker 3: loves which was reward for effort. And you know when

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Speaker 3: you put in all that effort, that reward, you know

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Speaker 3: you wanted better to just enjoy that. And then you know,

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Speaker 3: you sit up and you go again.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned World Cups and State of Origins and you

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Speaker 4: know regularly championships you must have. You've played with some

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Speaker 4: of the most talented players across all the codes. Who's

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Speaker 4: the most talented player you ever played with?

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Speaker 3: Out? It's just it's just so because you know, you've

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Speaker 3: got all your different positions. You know, a talented guy,

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Speaker 3: I can say Franks for as technique as a tight

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Speaker 3: ed prop you know, Tony Woodcock could say Dan Carlo

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Speaker 3: all these guys. It's just too much, you know, just

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Speaker 3: just a lot, like you said, privileged to play with

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Speaker 3: so many great talents, but more importantly great man.

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Speaker 2: Was there any ever any one of those guys though,

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Speaker 2: who was just good at everything, because sometimes you know,

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Speaker 2: you might be playing golf with a dude or I've

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Speaker 2: heard Mitchell Santa, for example from the black Cats, basically

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Speaker 2: is good at every single sport that he ever plays

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Speaker 2: with its darts or pool or golf. Was there anyone

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Speaker 2: who was just kind of good at just everything?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of guys like that,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of you go further back, you know,

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Speaker 3: everyone was playing every sport, you know, so so Ali

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Speaker 3: Lang was a great cricketer. You know, there's so many

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Speaker 3: guys created different sports. They're just they're athletes and you

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Speaker 3: know they're super talented.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, ever been in a fight with a teammate

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Speaker 2: at practice.

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Speaker 3: Fight bush and show? You know, maybe you use someone's

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Speaker 3: face to get up with my with my with my name,

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Speaker 3: with my nigh. But I generally generally very tight with

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Speaker 3: my team and protective, you know. So it was more

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Speaker 3: always about my opposition. And my biggest thing was not

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Speaker 3: this is what Beaver used to do to me and Kahui.

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Speaker 3: They knew that my weakness was I found it hard

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Speaker 3: playing against people I liked. They would try and be

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Speaker 3: friendly to me and and again the chiefs versus Crust

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Speaker 3: done you. I'm like, get away from me, get away

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Speaker 3: from me and Richard. So that was my that was

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Speaker 3: my challenge.

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Speaker 4: Trying to buddy up. I love that. I'm just having

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Speaker 4: a look at the contents. The forwards of the book

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Speaker 4: is written by a bunch of incredible coaches. Wayn't Bennett

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Speaker 4: Robbie Dean's Joe Schmidt? Who is going to be the

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Speaker 4: next Door Blacks coach? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Brad? Yeah? No idea very diplomatic, but yeah, I feel

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Speaker 3: for Rosa two years and you don't get to finish

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Speaker 3: that job. That's a tough one. What you sign up

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Speaker 3: for it could easily happen Ian Foster two years out

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Speaker 3: as well. So you know, whoever gets that role, you

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Speaker 3: know it's a tough job, but you know what an

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Speaker 3: honor and you know there's there's so much to do

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Speaker 3: for that team.

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Speaker 2: Brad Thorne, you probably watch a lot of sports still

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Speaker 2: if you're in the crowd, do you ever just think

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Speaker 2: at fifty one or fifty one next Tuesday, do you

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Speaker 2: ever think about just getting out there with the boats

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Speaker 2: and guns and smashing some seas?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely. I still think I've got it in

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Speaker 3: my own head and the reality is I don't so

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Speaker 3: but yeah, you got You know, you've got to let

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Speaker 3: yourself be that old man that still thinks, you know,

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Speaker 3: I can put the boots on. So yeah, I'm still

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Speaker 3: still got that little, you know, part of me that

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Speaker 3: thinks that.

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Speaker 2: Bred Thorne, thank you so much for talking to us today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome. Thanks for your Tom. Guys appreciate it.

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