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Speaker 1: Digging through the spithens to find the real story. Boring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupercy Elm drive with One New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: Ev Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 2: Police Minister Mark Mitchell with us after five to talk

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Speaker 2: us through why the police aren't turning up to shop

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Speaker 2: lifting below five hundred dollars in New Zealand is bringing

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Speaker 2: in jets to fly that Hamilton to christ Church Path.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you across that. Plus we're going to speak

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Speaker 2: to one New CEO, Jason Paris about how much he

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Speaker 2: loves AI and why it freaks most people out. Heather Dupericy, Ellen,

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Speaker 2: you want to know what damage control looks like. Look

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Speaker 2: at what's going on with the police not investigating thefts

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Speaker 2: below five hundred dollars. Revelation yesterday this wasn't a particularly

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Speaker 2: big deal. Blair the police officer came on this show.

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Speaker 2: He told us nothing new here. When someone calls in

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Speaker 2: a theft below five hundred dollars or a petrol drive

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Speaker 2: off below one hundred and fifty dollars, it just gets filed.

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Speaker 2: It's about it. That's what happens. Big deal today hell,

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Speaker 2: what a change today. We've got Richard Chambers, the top cop,

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Speaker 2: already made a statement. He just called a press conference

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Speaker 2: that's going to be happening in thirty minutes. The Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister's office has slammed the directive that's been sent out

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Speaker 2: to police staff. He says it was wrong. Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: the Police Minister, called into Kerry's show this morning to

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Speaker 2: clarify his position on it. Now, when a minister, and

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Speaker 2: this is the most significant, when a minister calls talk back,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're not dealing with a ten out of

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Speaker 2: ten sized problem. You're dealing with a fifteen out of

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Speaker 2: ten size grenade. This is huge. This is a massive problem.

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Speaker 2: Because of course it's a massive problem. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is a government that was elected in part because it

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Speaker 2: promised to deal with retail crime and crime generally. Now,

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Speaker 2: what I cannot understand is what they think they're doing today,

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Speaker 2: because every single one of them, from Richard Chambers to

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Speaker 2: other two are trying to pretend that the memo was

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Speaker 2: a mistake and that's not going to happen, and the

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Speaker 2: police are going to turn up to all retail crime.

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Speaker 2: No they're not. It's simply not possible. On the numbers.

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Speaker 2: There are more than a million offenses every year. There

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Speaker 2: are only ten thousand police officers. They simply cannot investigate

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Speaker 2: them all. They cannot even turn up to them all.

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Speaker 2: There are countless examples of already of police not investigating

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Speaker 2: stolen stuff worth even more than five hundred dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there was the case of the three thy six hundred

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Speaker 2: it was and they didn't go and get it. So

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Speaker 2: five hundred dollars is probably not even accurate. Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 2: and the police boss have got a problem on their

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Speaker 2: hands here because it is clearly a shock to people

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Speaker 2: to see in writing that the cops are not going

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Speaker 2: to turn up for low level crime. But pretending today

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Speaker 2: that the cops will turn up is not a strategy

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Speaker 2: because I can tell you what the next crime that

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Speaker 2: an officer doesn't turn up to go straight to the

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Speaker 2: front page of where the Herald, right, so we can

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Speaker 2: all read about it in its glory, and it will

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Speaker 2: prove that the memo was right. After all, we're going

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Speaker 2: to find the true out anyway. So when Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister and the police boster all this

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Speaker 2: damage control today, I reckon a mayor. Just pay to

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Speaker 2: be honest about what's really going.

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Speaker 1: On, Heather do for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number, standard text

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Speaker 2: fees apply, hit me with it. Now onto something altogether different,

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Speaker 2: which is politics. Of course, Winston Peters he has today

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Speaker 2: ruled out working with Labour leader Chris Hipkins in any

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Speaker 2: ruled out working with Chippy. Now, what that means is

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Speaker 2: that dries up the most credible paths of victory for Labor.

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Speaker 2: It means that they would most likely need to form

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkins is the opposition leader.

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Speaker 3: High Chippy, go today, Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you? How are you? Because this

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Speaker 2: means you're not going to be Prime minister.

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Speaker 3: I think it means that Winston Peters are saying that

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Speaker 3: and David Seymore and Winston Peters to continue to run

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Speaker 3: their coalition of chaos. I think of New Zealander's want

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Speaker 4: Vote to labor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean this is a problem for you now,

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Speaker 2: isn't it chippy? Because the alternatives for you the only

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Speaker 2: that I can see. Number one, majority labor government that's

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Speaker 2: not going to happen for ages because of what you

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Speaker 2: the Greens and the Maldi Party and there's no way

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Speaker 2: options are dried up, haven't they.

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Speaker 3: Oh look, there's still plenty of water to flow under

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Speaker 3: the bridge yet. But my goal is to get out

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Speaker 3: there and grow labors.

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Speaker 2: What is that here? But I mean, come on, be realistic.

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Speaker 2: What's that water going to change? The water can flow

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Speaker 2: under the bridge, what changes?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Look, lots can change. But my goal is to grow

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Speaker 3: what vote during that time? You know, I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's true. I think, frankly, I think it's too. It's

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Speaker 3: premature to be talking about potential coalitions yet. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think we've got to get out there in each

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Speaker 3: the vote. And then you know, MMP does require parties

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Speaker 3: to work together. But I think unlike this government, you know,

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Speaker 3: we will have some bottom line and we'll set those

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Speaker 3: going to allow the smaller parties to call all the

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Speaker 2: You have got a giant target on your back in

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Speaker 2: that party, now, haven't you.

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Speaker 4: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: You're the problem, Chippy, You're the problem. He said. It's

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Speaker 2: not a Labor problem. It's a Chippy problem. So if

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Speaker 2: I was, if I was a right thinking person in

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Speaker 2: the problem, you're literally the thing that stops them from

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Speaker 2: becoming a government. You know, perhaps with Winston Peters, i'd

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Speaker 3: I think most people in the Labor Party look at

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Speaker 4: Work with them anyway.

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Speaker 3: I mean, his views are quite incompatible with ours.

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Speaker 4: It's not the same.

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Speaker 5: That's not incompatible ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: Come on, what are you telling me that your views

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Speaker 3: Frankly, I'm not interested in some of the stuff that

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Speaker 2: Are you interested in some of the stuff the Malory

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Speaker 3: No, because I think both of them are trying to

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Speaker 2: And so who are you going to How are you

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Speaker 2: going to become government chippy? You can't do it your own?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, look, as I said, plenty of water

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Speaker 3: to flow under the bridge before the next election, Mike

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Speaker 3: got My goal is to grow Labors vote as large

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Speaker 3: as I can because, come on, the bigger Labour's year

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Speaker 3: of the vote, the less influenced the smaller parties get.

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Speaker 3: That's the simple maths of MMP.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Do you think some sort of

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Speaker 2: some sort of magical party that you can now coalis with?

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Speaker 2: Is the Unicorn Party is going to arrive?

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Speaker 3: I think New Zealanders deserve to have the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: have a say on this, rather than us predetermining it

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Speaker 3: all for them. And they do that in the form

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Speaker 3: of a general election. What we will do before the

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Speaker 3: election is set out which parties we think we can

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Speaker 3: setting out what is and isn't on the table, because

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Speaker 3: you're not going to that. We simply wouldn't want.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to go to the public and say,

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Speaker 2: do you know what, I can't work with Winston, but jeez,

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Speaker 2: I can work with that, Debbie and Lawity. Are you

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Speaker 3: No, I've said before the election we will set out

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Speaker 3: do that closer to the election.

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Speaker 2: You need to stop listening to Willie Jackson, but you

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Speaker 2: know that he does not represent normal people. Ah.

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Speaker 3: We will do that based on where we think we

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Speaker 3: can work with other parties, where we can find common ground,

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Speaker 3: I like Winston Peters. It won't be based on PT vendettas.

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Speaker 3: It will be based on points of principle.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time to be as always. Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 2: Labor Party leader here they tell him is dreamer. He's dreaming,

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Speaker 2: you know. Can I just tell you quickly just very quickly.

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Speaker 2: My reference to Willie, I reckon Willie because what's going

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Speaker 2: to do blah blah blah, and then he goes into

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to fill a buster on the Marty parties, hucker.

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Speaker 2: Then he went into the caucus room. Then he came

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Speaker 2: to fill a buster now. I reckon. I reckon Willy's

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Speaker 2: got way too much sway in there. And Willie, because

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Speaker 2: Marty Party are a bit He thinks that it's okay anyway, whatever.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about this later on. Plenty more thoughts on this,

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Speaker 2: and actually on that subject, Stu Nash reckons that they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to roll Chippy. Actually we'll get onto

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Speaker 6: What do you try though, right, Honorable Chip, would that work?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So what's happened is I always get texts after

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Speaker 2: I talk to Chippy and it says stupid stuff like this,

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Speaker 2: I'll stop calling him chippy. Some respect would be nice,

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Speaker 2: for example, just quoting the text that I got from Neil. However,

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Speaker 2: today I seem to have just an abundance of these texts.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm prepared to deal with this. Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about, Darcie. I'm prepared to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: What I want to ask is Neil and anybody else

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Speaker 2: who's just text me and said I need to stop

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Speaker 2: calling him chippy? Could you just because I want to?

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Speaker 2: I want to respect your opinion on this, so which

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Speaker 2: means I need to know what your argument is. Can

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Speaker 2: you and just really short little praisy of what your

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Speaker 2: problem is with me calling him chippy? And we will

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Speaker 2: deal with it forthwith.

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Speaker 6: I did a bigger problem with calling politicians right and honorable?

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Speaker 7: Where do they come from? Quite well, how do they

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Speaker 7: demand that, you know? Just whatever? They're politicians? Politics?

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Speaker 2: Send it to me nine to nine two. We're going

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Speaker 7: Woman of the people.

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Speaker 6: Not run it Straight, the official version. It was a

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Speaker 7: Run It Straight. But it's the same thing. It's copycat action.

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Speaker 2: Night, seriously, assuming no underlying issues, How hard do you

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Speaker 7: You've got to.

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Speaker 6: Look at the reaction of your brain within the fluid.

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Speaker 6: Cavity was the word I was looking at, Thank you

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Speaker 7: So you can call me chippy if you nott doing that.

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Speaker 6: But it bounces against the inside of your head and

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Speaker 7: Is that people need to listen to this.

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Speaker 6: To be involved with your friend from the rabbitize that

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Speaker 7: Education is massive.

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Speaker 6: People aren't educated as to what you may do in

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Speaker 7: So she'll join us to talk about that. It's just awful.

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Speaker 6: I'd rather not, but I think on this platform, the

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Speaker 7: It's just all around hole.

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Speaker 2: Darcy, thank you, listen. You'll be doing World's you know,

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Speaker 2: Darcy Wadgrave sports talk host seven o'clock. He'll be back for.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw,

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Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicy on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: That'd be The supermarket that my wife works at has

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Speaker 2: had two staff meetings today with regards to the expected

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Speaker 2: So this is basically the fact that the as if

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Speaker 2: nothing has changed, we'll already do that. I know that

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Speaker 2: we all knew that that was abundantly clear. It's also

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Speaker 2: clear that five hundred dollars is not even really the cutoff.

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Speaker 2: It's probably much higher than that. But to see it

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Speaker 2: Now we know you fill your car up one full nine,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty nine bucks at the local gas

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty one. Maybe maybe they come for you. Okay, Heather,

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Speaker 2: I don't mind you calling him chippy. It's all part

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Speaker 2: as if to say that, I'm making him a little

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Speaker 2: bit more. I'm humanizing him, Heather. Um, I don't like

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Speaker 2: like you're too familiar with him. Whether you are or

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Graham, Heather, you're being too flippant with Chippy. Hepkins.

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Speaker 2: Calling him chippy also very disrespectful. And I'm not even

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Speaker 2: the same time. Hither. It is childish and makes you

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Speaker 2: sound like a twit. Thank you, Bruce Hither. Because you're

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Speaker 2: why you're getting texts chippy bish and so on. They

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Speaker 2: Mike calls them by their first names. I mean it

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Speaker 2: sounds to me like like as Darcy was just alluding

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Speaker 8: Have you noticed this?

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Speaker 2: They're all doing this to each other At the moment

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Speaker 2: when Sammon Brown's talking about Eric Stanford, He's like, all

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Speaker 2: the honorable Eric Stanford, the right honorable Chris Luxen. Would

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Speaker 2: you like that with that float your bat?

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Speaker 8: Stop it?

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Speaker 2: Do you know who we have after five? Mitch? That's right,

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, police minister. It's gonna get another nickname, Adam Headline's.

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Speaker 1: It's Hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 9: There'd be.

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Speaker 2: Heather. Can you please ask Mark Mitchell. If the cops

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Speaker 2: are absolving themselves and dealing as to anyone stealing lower

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Speaker 2: some justice myself, Jaseon I might get round to that,

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Speaker 2: but on that subject, Richard Chambers, the Police Commissioner, as

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Speaker 10: We won't always be able to be there, but we

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Speaker 2: He also explained why the dollar value is not a

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Speaker 10: When we deal with crime, we often apply a series

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Speaker 2: I think so twenty three away from five it's the

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Speaker 2: the UK, police say that that Liverpool car ramming was

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Speaker 11: People do not speculate or spread misinformation on social media.

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Speaker 2: And to France, Emanuel mccran says his wife was joking

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Speaker 2: Brigitte she was caught on camera shoving the French president's

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Speaker 2: Sky News Europe correspondent Adam Parsons.

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Speaker 12: There's an an awful lot that we can say for sure.

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Speaker 12: She pushes him in the face. Is that because she's angry?

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Speaker 2: And finally, international researchers have found more evidence that a

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Speaker 2: Noah's Ark. Now, this particular spot was first mooted as

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Speaker 2: Definitely Noah's Ark.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Murray Old Old corresponds with us now.

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Speaker 4: He mus very good afternoon, Heather, So, what.

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Speaker 2: Is this latest on this underworld war in Sydney that's

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Speaker 4: Well, it's nuts. I mean a new stat from police

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Speaker 4: They have solved twenty of them, so five outstanding. But

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Speaker 4: We're making drugs. She was bashed up in her house,

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Speaker 4: that's mistaken identity, according police, and then on Sunday afternoon,

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Speaker 4: five o'clock, busy, busy part of Sydney near Paramatta, you've

438
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Speaker 4: got this bizarre situation like out of a film. A

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Speaker 4: black Mercedes pulls up alongside a yute with four men

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Speaker 4: in it at a set of traffic lights. Bang bang

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Speaker 4: bang bang bang, and you've got the two people in

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Speaker 4: the front seat are both hit, two in the back

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Speaker 4: aren't and the fellow who was shot in the head

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Speaker 4: will not be is not expected to live. So police

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Speaker 4: have just said, bugger this. We cannot keep going like this.

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Speaker 4: They say, this is a gang war over Sydney's underworld

447
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Speaker 4: drug traffic. It's a multi multi billion dollar industry. These

448
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Speaker 4: a serious drug importers, manufacturers and distributors who are fighting

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Speaker 4: each other over a turf war basically. And so police

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Speaker 4: have set up a task force. One hundred and fifty

451
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Speaker 4: dedicated coppers are going to be involved in this and

452
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Speaker 4: you're going to have well. This morning they had thirteen

453
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Speaker 4: separate investigations all being folded into this one umbrella organization.

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Speaker 4: They are serious, they said, I don't care if you've

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Speaker 4: pulled the trigger or you've stolen the car. That's being

456
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Speaker 4: used in the getaway. You're all going to be rounded

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Speaker 4: up as fast as we can go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck to them sorting that out. What's going

459
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Speaker 2: on with the coalition? Are they making up?

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Speaker 4: Well, they're going to kiss and make up. They have

461
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Speaker 4: to because both of them, you know, there's much, you know,

462
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Speaker 4: as much use as a two leagued stool, you know,

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Speaker 4: because they can't do anything on their own. And he's

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Speaker 4: David Little Proud, the Nationals Party leader. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure what happened. He must've got a rush of

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Speaker 4: blood to the head when he saw how many seats

467
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Speaker 4: the Liberals have lost, the senior coalition partner, and he

468
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Speaker 4: said right, He puffed up his little pigeon chest, said right, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go and I'm going to give her

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Speaker 4: a piece of my mind. And you the new a

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Speaker 4: female leader of the Liberal Party. Well that lasted forty

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Speaker 4: eight hours. Cooler heads prevailed. They said, listen, David, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: you can't do that. He had the back down. It's

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Speaker 4: humiliating back down, but he says, oh no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: no no way, we back down, no way, we flip flopped.

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Speaker 4: But they are going to be getting back together maybe

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Speaker 4: as early as tomorrow. They've had some pretty productive talks.

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Speaker 4: We understand the liberal parties agreed to at least look

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Speaker 4: at the four non negotiable policies the Nationals put up

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Speaker 4: and it's not going to be harmony by any means,

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Speaker 4: and Little Proud may yet lose his leadership, but at

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Speaker 4: least the coalition is going to be roughly on the

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Speaker 4: same page.

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Speaker 2: That's just really quickly. How's that clean up going?

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Speaker 4: Dreadful? I mean just dreadful. You've got ten thousand homes

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Speaker 4: have been inundated in northern New South Wales. They've inspected

487
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Speaker 4: five three hundred of them as of this morning, nearly

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Speaker 4: nine hundred. You can't live in them anymore, so maybe

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Speaker 4: double that for the time they've finished these assessments. That's

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Speaker 4: the best part of fifteen sixteen hundred homes that cannot

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Speaker 4: be lived in, So that's dreadful. You've got people still

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Speaker 4: cut off by the floodwaters that are out there, are

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Speaker 4: the dropping off food and medicine, the dropping off ay

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Speaker 4: for stock, and you've still got now another weather event.

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Speaker 4: You've got strong winds up there that were threatening this

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Speaker 4: morning to ground every helicopter up there. That's been used

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Speaker 4: to get this medicine, food and fodder out and about.

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Speaker 4: It's just horrible. The Prime Minister up there today, they're

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Speaker 4: going to throw all sorts of money at it. But boy,

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Speaker 4: oh boy, you can't. You can't bribe Mother Nature, can you?

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Speaker 13: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mars, thank you, look after yourself. It's Murray Old's

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent. There's no way that that was a joke

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Speaker 2: with Emmanuel mccron, was it. There's no way that by

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Speaker 2: the way, the I don't know if you've seen the video,

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Speaker 2: but it is like something like honestly, if you saw

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Speaker 2: that in a it feels like slapstick. The timing of

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Speaker 2: it is just unbelievable. Have to see it to understand

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. But the timing of him being

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Speaker 2: pushed in the face, then looking out the door, realizing

511
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Speaker 2: the door is down, and sat like waving at people,

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Speaker 2: it's just unreal. There's no way that that was a joke.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to talk to the huddle about that

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Speaker 2: when they're with us later on heydops. When when are

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Speaker 2: Luxey and Winnie on the show next? Well, I'm going

516
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Speaker 2: to talk about Winnie later on actually, and I was,

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Speaker 2: now that you pointed out I was, I just was

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Speaker 2: going to refer to him as Winnie. But I could

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Speaker 2: dress it up for you if you want to. Could

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Speaker 2: we could go Winnie pe today? But actually, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you who is going to be on the show later on.

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Speaker 2: It's Stewart nash And normally I would go just for

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Speaker 2: stew but I because that's what I call him when

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Speaker 2: I talked about just say hey, Stu, how are you?

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Speaker 2: But I feel but everybody else calls him Nashy. All

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Speaker 2: my friends call him Nashy, friends that we have in common.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do I do I do I level up

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Speaker 2: and Nashy him today? Or do I just stick with

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Speaker 2: like the transparency of my honest relationship with him and

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Speaker 2: just call him stew Although if Neil would like to

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Speaker 2: text me again, I am prepared to go Stewart if

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Speaker 2: you would like, or maybe even the honorable Stewart. You

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Speaker 2: know whatever, You let me know what you need and

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Speaker 2: I'll provide it. Sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: Jason Wooll's political editors with us right now, Hey, Jason.

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Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Prime Minister is not happy about the memo.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, he's No, he's not, he's not, and I can

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Speaker 14: I can see why. I mean, if you're a government

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Speaker 14: that has basically hung your hat on getting tough on

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Speaker 14: crime and then you get see something like this being reported,

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Speaker 14: obviously you're not going to be pleased. This is what

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Speaker 14: he said earlier today.

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Speaker 4: They got that wrong.

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Speaker 8: We're a party of law and order.

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Speaker 15: We expect out police to tackle.

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Speaker 16: Crime everywhere and that's good to see you clarify.

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Speaker 14: That such Now he's talking about the Police Commissioner having

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Speaker 14: to come out and say that this memo that was

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Speaker 14: sent around about police not investigating crime below five hundred

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Speaker 14: dollars was confusing and unhelpful. And he goes on to

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Speaker 14: say that the memo was wrong in an appropriate and

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Speaker 14: hours beforehand, and I think I heard you making this

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Speaker 14: point earlier in the afternoon. How the Police Minister Mark

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Speaker 14: Mitchell actually called into talk back with Kerry clarify the situation.

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Speaker 14: And you know you're not calling in talkback if you're

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Speaker 14: happy with how the situation is going. And of course

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Speaker 14: it's a terrible look for this government. I mean that

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Speaker 14: what I think has happened here is that there has

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Speaker 14: always been potentially some sort of an unwritten rule, because

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Speaker 14: you know that the police can't be everywhere all the time,

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Speaker 14: all at once, and there needs to be sort of

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Speaker 14: some level here. But somebody's made the mistake of actually

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Speaker 14: writing it down and sending it off and that's the

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Speaker 14: in turn been leaked to media, and of course it

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Speaker 14: leaves to all sorts of trouble for the Prime Minister

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Speaker 14: and his police minister. So I can get why he's

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Speaker 14: not happy, but I can also get why this sort

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Speaker 14: of thing has actually happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, will you actually at his press conference.

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Speaker 14: The Prime Minister's no, unfortunately it was up in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but you've watched the thing, right I did.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Did he at any point say that it is not true?

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Speaker 14: No, he didn't say that it wasn't true. He just

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Speaker 14: kept coming back to the fact that you know it

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Speaker 14: was confusing and unhealthful and that.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't so it is definitely happening.

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Speaker 14: Well, listen, and the Prime minister that didn't deny that

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Speaker 14: this was the thing, and he if he wanted to

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Speaker 14: use that opportunity to say yes, I've had a briefing

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Speaker 14: this is in fact not the case because of X

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Speaker 14: y Z. You wouldn't come out and see that. The

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Speaker 14: top brass of the police was it was unhelpful for

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Speaker 14: them to do something because it wasn't true.

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Speaker 2: So they're angry that somebody wrote down the thing that

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Speaker 2: they're doing.

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Speaker 14: Basically, yeah, somebody said the thing that they should have

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Speaker 14: said out loud, you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, why is Chippy so keen to hold the scrudge? Well, Winnie,

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Speaker 2: why is Winnie holding the scrudge against Chippy?

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Speaker 14: What's going before we get you call him Chippy too?

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Speaker 14: And I heard you do that before because I said

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Speaker 14: Chippy when I was on my mid day cross and

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Speaker 14: I was like, oh, is that a little bit too familiar?

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Speaker 14: But it just kind of rolled off the tongue. I

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Speaker 14: think it's because it's the colloquial name that we've developed him. Anyway,

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Speaker 14: that's that's a little bit off track track. But yeah,

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Speaker 14: he's a bit annoyed. I mean, here's what he said

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Speaker 14: about him this morning.

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Speaker 3: I think, frankly, New Zealanders have had enough of being

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Speaker 3: held to ransom by Winston Peters and David Seymour. I

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Speaker 3: think they want to get back to the idea that

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Speaker 3: the government's there to serve people rather than serve themselves,

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Speaker 3: which you know Winston Peter as frankly as a master rate.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so's there's a little bit of beef, a little

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Speaker 14: bit probably under selling it a little bit. There is

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Speaker 14: beef between the two of them, which is why I

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Speaker 14: think Winston came out as strong as he did this

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Speaker 14: morning saying that he would not be forming or have

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Speaker 14: any post government conversations with the Labor Party under Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 14: So there is a distinction between a Labor Party under

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Speaker 14: Chris Hipkins and a Labor Party in general. I mean,

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Speaker 14: you know, you never know what happens afterwards.

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Speaker 4: But it's an.

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Speaker 14: Interesting move for Winston because, as you know, it's not

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Speaker 14: really his sort of a move that he does ruling

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Speaker 14: things in and out.

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Speaker 2: No, his style is very much to leave every option open,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, like literally like literally after the election.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and it's I mean, look at the way m

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Speaker 14: MP has worked in the last or since it's come

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Speaker 14: into force. I mean, nobody's done it better than Winston.

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Speaker 14: And because it's because of things like this, people vote

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Speaker 14: for Winston because they get they get good things out

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Speaker 14: of it as far as they're concerned. They have so

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Speaker 14: much leverage. I mean, there's a reason why Winston got

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Speaker 14: quite a bit more than the Greens out of ar

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Speaker 14: Dern was because that, you know, everybody knows that the

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Speaker 14: Greens are going to go with the left leaning parties

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Speaker 14: at the end of the day, and Whiston is, you know,

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Speaker 14: we'll go whatever way he thinks that he's going to

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Speaker 14: get the best deal. But it was quite interesting exactly,

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Speaker 14: And it was quite interesting when you were having a

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Speaker 14: chat with Chris Hopkins just before. He was not thinking

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Speaker 14: that it was a foregone conclusion that he'd actually be

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Speaker 14: working with Greens and Tibarti Mardi.

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Speaker 3: Look, there's still plenty of water to flow under the

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Speaker 3: bridge yet, so.

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Speaker 14: There must be a lot of water to flow under

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Speaker 14: that labor bridge to mean that he's not going to

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Speaker 14: have to work with both of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a very good point. Hey, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. I really appreciate it. Jason Jason Walls, Political editor.

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Speaker 2: And as I say, Mike Mitchell, police Minister, is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us just after five o'clock. It's nine

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Speaker 2: away from eight, nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: Water putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, the Mike

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: So strange possibly confusing messages coming from the police over

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Speaker 17: retail crime. There's a directive to police staff that tells

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Speaker 17: them they will no longer be investigating shoplifting if it's

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Speaker 17: less than five hundred bucks. Sunday Kershel, chairperson of the

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Speaker 17: Ministry of Justice's Retail Crime Group. If it's true, this

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Speaker 17: goes against what you're working towards.

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Speaker 18: That's very true. You know, we thought we are making

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Speaker 18: us progress and these kind of instructions hinders the work

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Speaker 18: that we're doing. The best return for detailed crime is

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Speaker 18: having criminals not they will be caught and sad consequences

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Speaker 18: for the crimes exactly.

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Speaker 17: Well, I just wonder if what has been articulated is

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Speaker 17: what they do anyway, And it just happens to have

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Speaker 17: leaked out back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 17: Breakfast with the Rain drove of the lame news talk

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Speaker 17: z B.

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Speaker 2: Big news for Hamilton. Hamilton is going to be getting

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand is bringing the jets back. Now Hamilton

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Speaker 2: has not had the jets, the domestic jets landing there

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Speaker 2: for twenty five years and so they're going to have

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Speaker 2: them landing at Hamilton Airport is going to be the

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Speaker 2: Hamilton christ Church link. So we're going to talk to

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand about that after quarter past five right now,

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Speaker 2: of course it's five away from five. Per Richard Chambers,

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Speaker 2: the Police Commissioner was just as I told you holding

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Speaker 2: this press conference about what on earth is going on

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Speaker 2: with them not dealing with a slow level of crime.

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Speaker 2: He says that police need to embrace technology.

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Speaker 10: And I speak quite confidently that we're in a good

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Speaker 10: place in terms of the way forward with technology that's

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Speaker 10: available to us to address crime types what moral I'm

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Speaker 10: seeing around the world, as well as that law enforcement

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Speaker 10: needs to embrace technology.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not entirely sure what technology he's talking about

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Speaker 2: because he hasn't made it clear obviously as you can

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Speaker 2: tell from that, but if it is this facial recognition stuff,

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Speaker 2: they need to get on with it. This is the

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Speaker 2: point that I was trying to make yesterday. If you

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Speaker 2: cannot send a police officer to deal with the shoplifting

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Speaker 2: at the store, and I don't think you can, like

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there are enough cops. If you

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Speaker 2: cannot go and deal with that. If somebody's just turned

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Speaker 2: up and one hundred dollars worth of red meats or

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Speaker 2: something like that. You need to give the supermarkets the

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Speaker 2: ability to put the facial recognition technology up and see

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Speaker 2: you all make coming back for some more meat and go, no,

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Speaker 2: we recognize your face. You're not allowed in here. Off

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Speaker 2: you go and prevent the crime from happening again. You

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Speaker 2: have to let the retailers take some respect, just have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of some way to deal with the crime.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise it's just a free for all. But listen to

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Speaker 2: this case speaking of police not investigating things. You know

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Speaker 2: this case it's been get the headlines. This one about

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Speaker 2: the banking fraud right where the chap sent one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty eight thousand dollars from his bank Barclay's Bank

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Speaker 2: account in the UK to his Westpac bank account. Was

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Speaker 2: meant for his retirement Westpac bank account in Auckland, but

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Speaker 2: he got a digit wrong because his keyboard is number

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Speaker 2: four was sticky, so he got the digit wrong and

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Speaker 2: accidentally transferred it to the wrong west Pack account and

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Speaker 2: it ended up in the hands of some beneficiary and

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Speaker 2: she allegedly went and had a free for I had

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Speaker 2: a great time with one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: bought a staff a car, sent some money to her boyfriend,

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Speaker 2: allegedly all kinds of stuff. Anyway, she has just been

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Speaker 2: charged by the police. She's been charged with theft. She

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Speaker 2: faces up to seven years in jail of convicted. Also,

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Speaker 2: the one that she sent the money to allegedly sixty

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Speaker 2: four thousand dollars, has also been charged with receiving. Police

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Speaker 2: only just charged him as well. Here's the thing, this

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Speaker 2: happened in January last year, and the cops have just

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Speaker 2: charged him. Charged them after they were told about this

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Speaker 2: last year. They told old mate who sent the money

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Speaker 2: in the first place, his money. They told him they

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Speaker 2: were not going to investigate because there was a civil matter,

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Speaker 2: but then of course got heaps and heaps of publicity,

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Speaker 2: so they investigated now and they've charged. So you think

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Speaker 2: five hundred dollars, how about one hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars? And they're not investigating news talks they'd be mature.

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Speaker 1: Next questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 8: That'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Police and the government are in damage control today over

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Speaker 2: the revelation that police will not investigate shoplifting incidents under

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Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. Now we've learned about this because of

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Speaker 2: a memo which was sent to police staff telling them

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Speaker 2: to file shop lifting incidents under five hundred dollars, gas

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Speaker 2: theft of less than one hundred and fifty dollars in

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Speaker 2: online scams of less than one thousand dollars. Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 2: is the policeman Aster High Mitch Hi Heather is the

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Speaker 2: memo right?

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Speaker 19: Well, it could have been more helpful, that could have

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Speaker 19: been clearer. Obviously, it was a memo and the police

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Speaker 19: have lots of these memos circulating around. It was released

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Speaker 19: under OIA, and it could have been much clearer. The

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Speaker 19: way that was written it did create some confusion. Totally

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Speaker 19: understand that and get that, and that's why both myself

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Speaker 19: and the Commissioner have been out today you clarifying it.

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Speaker 2: Is it right though, Mitch? If there is a shoplifting

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Speaker 2: incident of less than five hundred dollars the police, it

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Speaker 2: will get filed. It will just get filed. The police

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Speaker 2: will not necessarily investigate.

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Speaker 19: Oh no, it's not right. There shouldn't be thresholds. I

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Speaker 19: think the Commissioner has been very clear on.

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Speaker 20: That it be take on.

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Speaker 2: But are there thresholds.

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Speaker 8: No, there's not.

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Speaker 2: So there's no thresholds, okay, because we had we had

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Speaker 2: a police officer yesterday who confirmed that the memo was correct.

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Speaker 2: So what's happened overnight.

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Speaker 19: Look, the reality of it is police have always triaged,

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Speaker 19: They've always had to prioritize. When I was in the

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Speaker 19: job thirty years ago, it was no different and it

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Speaker 19: still happens today. But the reality of it is that

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Speaker 19: every crime and every incident has taken on its own merits,

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Speaker 19: and whether the police will respond, they will respond, whether

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Speaker 19: it be immediately or whether it be with.

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Speaker 2: Some follow up.

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Speaker 19: So you know, they do have tools to try and

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Speaker 19: to be able to allocate, to be able to prioritize.

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Speaker 8: That is important.

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Speaker 19: If you've got an offender for multiple offenses, obviously they're

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Speaker 19: going to go after that. They'll prioritize that. But no,

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Speaker 19: there's no thresholds. And I think the commissioners come out

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Speaker 19: today and he's been very clear and he said that

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Speaker 19: a priority for him and for this Scumnor's retail crime.

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Speaker 19: They've done some great work around the violent retail crime,

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Speaker 19: working across all the stakeholders. They can't do it by themselves.

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Speaker 19: I'm really proud of the work they're doing. And so

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Speaker 19: in the simple answer is no. Any if there's a

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Speaker 19: shoplifter or if retail has got someone there they need

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Speaker 19: police support, then you know the police will get there.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Are you telling me that if a retailer calls

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Speaker 2: in a shoplifting incident the police will always come and investigate.

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Speaker 19: They won't always get there to that shoplifting incident. And

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Speaker 19: I think back when I was in the job.

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Speaker 2: And the women which ones they're going to and which

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Speaker 2: ones they don't.

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Speaker 19: They have to prioritize. So when I was a police

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Speaker 19: dog handler, if I was tracking three offenders from an

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Speaker 19: aggravated robbery and at the same time I got a

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Speaker 19: call for a shoplifter, then I have to carry on.

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Speaker 19: I'm going to prioritize and go for the three egg robbers, right. Yes,

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Speaker 19: if I'm not doing that job and the call comes

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Speaker 19: in for the shoplifter, I'll go to the shoplifter, I'll

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Speaker 19: go and attend it. And it's no different today. Police

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Speaker 19: have there are limited numbers. We don't have a you

801
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Speaker 19: know that there's we've got limited resources. They have to prioritize.

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Speaker 19: They'll always prioritize human life, public safety. But if they're

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Speaker 19: free and they can get to a shoplifter, they'll go

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Speaker 19: to it.

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Speaker 2: If there is a shoplifting of the value of fifty bucks,

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Speaker 2: the police and they've got free time, they'll go to it.

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Speaker 8: Yes, they will.

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Speaker 2: Okay. It just then explains to me why did the

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Speaker 2: memo say five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 19: I think it was a tool that they were that

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Speaker 19: they're trying to use it. This is operational, so I

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Speaker 19: shouldn't really be speaking to It's more for the commissioner. However,

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Speaker 19: I think that they are probably triaging the information that

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Speaker 19: they do have to try and prioritize as they work

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Speaker 19: through historic offenses and trying to clear them.

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Speaker 2: But what do you No one's calling in historic offenses.

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Speaker 2: They're calling in offenses that have just happened.

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Speaker 19: No, they'll attend to those, and the Commission has been

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Speaker 19: very clear about that as well. And as the incoming

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Speaker 19: government's got a heavy focus on bubbet safety, our expectation

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Speaker 19: is that police will treat all crime equally and they

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Speaker 19: will in that.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying that the only that that memo

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Speaker 2: is referring to stuff that happened donkeys years ago, not

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Speaker 2: stuff that's happening right now, So you file away your

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Speaker 2: five hundred dollars shoplifting things and just put them in

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Speaker 2: the in the file.

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Speaker 19: I'm not saying that I can't talk to the memo.

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Speaker 19: It is operational and that is that is more for

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Speaker 19: the commissioner to speak to. From my side of it

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Speaker 19: as the police butter, I just wanted to give complete

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Speaker 19: assurance and sort reassurance from the Commissioner that police will

833
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Speaker 19: attend will attend these jobs, and they will.

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Speaker 2: I'm confused because Blair McDonald, the police officer, was on

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Speaker 2: the show yesterday going, yeah, the memo's right, and then

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Speaker 2: you're telling me today the memo's wrong.

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Speaker 19: Well, I'm saying that it could have been worded, It

838
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Speaker 19: could have been worded better, it could have been clearer,

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Speaker 19: and that's that and that's for.

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Speaker 2: That's wording then, because all we've got is the wrong wording.

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Speaker 2: So what's the right wording?

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Speaker 19: Well, I think that I think that what they were

843
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Speaker 19: trying to do is they are trying to use a

844
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Speaker 19: tool to be able to triarche historic cases that are

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Speaker 19: now it files to try and work through those, and

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Speaker 19: they're going to they want to prioritize where they've got

847
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Speaker 19: some hard evidence. And that's nothing's changed that was. It

848
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Speaker 19: was like this back in my day. Like I said,

849
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Speaker 19: it always happened. But I think where the confusion was

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Speaker 19: created is that does this mean now the police officer

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Speaker 19: is not going to attend a shoplifting incident And that's

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Speaker 19: not the case. The commissioners come out, He's been very

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Speaker 19: clear that they will. I've come out as the Police

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Speaker 19: Minister and said the expectation from this government and it

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Speaker 19: has contained in my leader of expectation to the commissioner

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Speaker 19: is that they will attend these incidents and look and

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Speaker 19: they do every single day. Police do tens of thousands

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Speaker 19: of positive interactions and responses to the public every day

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Speaker 19: and they're going to continue to do that.

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Speaker 4: Mitch.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Mark Mitchell. Police Minister Heather do

862
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Speaker 2: for see Allen Claire as much, isn't it right now?

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Speaker 2: A new Plymouth teenager or Promiston North teenager, has died

864
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Speaker 2: after playing a run at straight style tackle game with

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Speaker 2: his friends. Nineteen year old Ryan Sattarthwait suffered major head

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Speaker 2: draw mebs taken to hospital. He died there overnight. Ross

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Speaker 2: Grantham is the Monowit two area commander and with us. Now, hey, Ross,

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Speaker 2: you know exactly what happened.

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Speaker 13: Yes, a group of mates have got together and they've

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Speaker 13: decided that they all participate in this tackle game. It

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Speaker 13: wasn't an organized event, it was something just the social

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Speaker 13: between the mates and tragically this young man has but

873
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Speaker 13: a horrible injury which has taken his life.

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Speaker 2: Banged us head into what.

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Speaker 13: So he hasn't banged his head as I understand it.

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Speaker 13: He hasn't banged his head into anything as his friend

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Speaker 13: has tackled him. It's the action of his his head

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Speaker 13: has caused the injury. So he hasn't banged his hidden.

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Speaker 2: It's just that that just that snapping.

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Speaker 13: That when you think about it, is that when you

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Speaker 13: think about it is the terrible risk young people take

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Speaker 13: when they participate in these types of games.

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Speaker 2: Rossill, you're saying it's just the whiplash action of being

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Speaker 2: tackled has caused it.

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Speaker 13: I'm not a doctor, Heather, so I can't comment on that.

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Speaker 13: Why I can say is that his head hasn't collided

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Speaker 13: anything with anything solid. It's the movement of his head.

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Speaker 2: Any charges here, I mean, I'm loath to raise that

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Speaker 2: because it is made absolutely not.

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Speaker 13: This is devastating, Trevor. Tragedy for the family of young

891
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Speaker 13: Ryan and for his colleagues and his mates. We are

892
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Speaker 13: only involved because we're investigating on behalf coroner. There's no

893
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Speaker 13: criminal element to this at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, what do we do to discourage I mean,

895
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Speaker 2: like Ross, we've been talking about this for weeks now

896
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Speaker 2: and how stupid this thing is and how nobody should

897
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Speaker 2: be doing it and get it's claim to life. So

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Speaker 2: what do we do to discourage kids from doing this?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Head? If I had that answer, I'd be able to

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Speaker 13: save a whole of young men's lives, not only in

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Speaker 13: this type of thing, but in driving cars. And that sadly,

903
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Speaker 13: our young men don't tend to make good decisions. We

904
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Speaker 13: can keep talking about it, trying to educate them, use

905
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Speaker 13: this tragic event of young Ryan's as an example to

906
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Speaker 13: young men to it. Should think about what you look

907
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Speaker 13: at on social media. There's a whole lot of dangerous

908
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Speaker 13: things that people purport to be genuine and to be

909
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Speaker 13: fun and they're not, and you just have to be

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Speaker 13: very careful when you're making your choices about what you're

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Speaker 13: going to do.

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Speaker 2: Totally, Ross, thank you as always appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 2: Inspector Ross Grandam, one of the two Area commander Heather

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Speaker 2: dupery Ellen. First major bank has moved ahead of some

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Speaker 2: LA Tomorrow's big day obviously because you've got the official

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Speaker 2: cash rate and I mean, you know you can you

917
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Speaker 2: can absolutely lock in twenty five basis points, but it

918
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Speaker 2: should be more. It should be fifty. B and Z

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Speaker 2: has moved. Short term rates have come back just a

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Speaker 2: little bit, you know, very it's twenty fourteen basis points.

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Speaker 2: Four basis points. Nothing major. The largest one was the

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Speaker 2: four year term, which has come back thirty basis points.

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Speaker 2: Now has the lowest TwixT rate amongst the major banks.

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Speaker 2: Obviously done it for the publicity of it. But you

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Speaker 2: can imagine they're all going to move, aren't they. Sixteen

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Speaker 2: past five Now you might have heard me speak about

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Speaker 2: this before, but one New Zealand satellite is officially here

928
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Speaker 2: and this is a game changer. I mean, this world

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Speaker 2: first tech provides satellite powered mobile coverage in places that

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Speaker 2: traditional cell tailers don't reach, which is actually around forty

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Speaker 2: percent of New Zealand's land mass. With an eligible phone

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Speaker 2: and plan one New Zealand customers can now text anywhere

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Speaker 2: that they have line of sight to the sky. You

934
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Speaker 2: just need to allow a few minutes for the message

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Speaker 2: to be delivered. The One New Zealand team are pitching

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Speaker 2: it as peace of mind in your pocket, which I

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Speaker 2: quite like. It's an additional layer of communication when in

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Speaker 2: the most remote parts of New Zealand, but also when

939
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Speaker 2: dare we say it, and natural disaster strikes and the

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Speaker 2: sal towers go down temporarily, you can literally text in

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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. Now to learn more about how

942
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Speaker 2: One New Zealand satellite can help you to stay safer,

943
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Speaker 2: better connected, and more productive, visit one dot in z

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Speaker 2: forward slash satellite ever duples Allen whether run It Straight

945
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Speaker 2: is the most disgusting and disgraceful idea ever. Burgess and

946
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Speaker 2: Coe should hang their heads and show me. That's Burgess

947
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Speaker 2: from the Rabbito's And they've put out a statement by

948
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Speaker 2: the way, the Run It Championship League they say it's

949
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Speaker 2: tragic news and any contact sport like boxing, martial arts

950
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Speaker 2: or combat style activity should only be held in highly

951
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Speaker 2: controlled environments which include professional medical supervision and support like

952
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Speaker 2: that would have native difference twenty past five. Now, for

953
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Speaker 2: the first time in twenty five years, Air New Zealand

954
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Speaker 2: is bringing back the jets to Hamilton. The Airbus A

955
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Speaker 2: three twenty jets are going to be introduced to the

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Speaker 2: Airlines Hamilton christ Church route starting in September. Cato O'Brien

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Speaker 2: is Air New Zealand's General manager of Domestic and with us, Hey, k.

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Speaker 21: Hi, Heather, what's brought the song?

959
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Speaker 2: Why are you guys doing this?

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Speaker 21: Yes, So we're very excited to be reintroducing these domestic

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Speaker 21: jet services between Hamilton and christ Church. So a couple

962
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Speaker 21: of things. This route Hamilton christ Church is one of

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Speaker 21: our largest and fastest growing regional routes, so we are

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Speaker 21: keen to grow it and put some more seats into

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Speaker 21: that market. But the other thing that's happening is we

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Speaker 21: have had a number of our aircraft out with availability

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Speaker 21: issues and we are really excited that we're starting to

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Speaker 21: see some of those aircraft come back into the fleet,

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Speaker 21: which means that we can look to grow some of

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Speaker 21: our domestic groups.

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Speaker 2: Now am I maybe I could potentially case, I can

972
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Speaker 2: be over reading too much into this, but I think

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Speaker 2: it's interesting that you're going to Hamilton instead of Auckland

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Speaker 2: when you're having this massive fight with Auckland Airport. Is

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Speaker 2: anything in there?

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Speaker 21: No, This actually has been in our plan for quite

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Speaker 21: a while now to grow this throat and to ultimately

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Speaker 21: have a jet service in there. As I said, we

979
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Speaker 21: have seen really strong growth, so it's in response to demand,

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Speaker 21: but it is also enabled by these jets coming back

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Speaker 21: into the fleet.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic stuff. Hey listen, Kate, best of luck with it

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Speaker 2: and thank you very much. Appreciate its cada Brian in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's general manager of Domestic Heather. A year ago,

985
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Speaker 2: my car was broken into an item was removed. Police

986
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Speaker 2: report noted that the item was less than five hundred

987
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Speaker 2: dollars in value. No active follow up from Margaret Bs. Heather.

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Speaker 2: This is apropos Mark Mitchell before because I was on

989
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Speaker 2: Facebook market scam and they told me that because it

990
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Speaker 2: was less than five hundred dollars they couldn't do anything

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Speaker 2: about it. Five twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Informed Inside into Today's Issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive

993
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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Five twenty four.

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Speaker 9: Now.

996
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Speaker 2: I think Winston Peter's ruling out ever going into coalition

997
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: with Chippy after the next election is actually more significant

998
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Speaker 2: than many people will realize, because Winnie was actually Chippy's

999
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: only credible path back to being prime ministery right without winning,

1000
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Speaker 2: Chippy is completely stuffed because the alternatives are not real options.

1001
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Speaker 2: I mean, the alternatives are one being a coalition with

1002
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Speaker 2: a couple of looney parties, which you Center voters are

1003
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Speaker 2: absolutely not going to go for, so you can absolutely

1004
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Speaker 2: forget about that. The other alternative is that Labor is

1005
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Speaker 2: returned as a majority government again, which is I think,

1006
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Speaker 2: after what happened last time, not going to happen for

1007
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Speaker 2: a very long time again. So basically there is no

1008
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Speaker 2: way back for Chippy. He will not be Prime minister

1009
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Speaker 2: after twenty twenty six if ever. Now, a lot of

1010
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Speaker 2: people would say to me at this juncture, well, of course,

1011
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Speaker 2: not National were always going to win the next election anyways,

1012
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: this is just a completely spurious argument. But I would

1013
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: say to you Labour's chances are actually a little bit

1014
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: better than you might think, because what we have right

1015
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Speaker 2: now is hardly a wildly popular government. I mean, these

1016
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Speaker 2: guys were elected, remember telling us they were going to

1017
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Speaker 2: turn this economy. Around eighteen months later, they have not

1018
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Speaker 2: turned this economy. Around eighteen months later, we are still

1019
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Speaker 2: in the economic doldrums. We are yet to see a

1020
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Speaker 2: vision economically from the coalition government. The right track wrong

1021
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Speaker 2: track indicator that comes out in multiple poles now is

1022
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Speaker 2: heavily negative for this government. Thousands of people voting with

1023
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Speaker 2: their feet and leaving the country altogether. People vote with

1024
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Speaker 2: their hip pocket right forget about everything else. If you

1025
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Speaker 2: just look at the economy, that is your greatest determiner

1026
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Speaker 2: of what happens at the election. People vote with their

1027
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Speaker 2: hip pocket, and right now the hippocket is suffering. It

1028
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Speaker 2: is not looking good for the economy. But also there

1029
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Speaker 2: should be a target right now on Chippy's back in labor,

1030
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Speaker 2: because Winnie's problem is not with labor. Winnie's problem is

1031
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Speaker 2: with Chris Hopkins, which means different leader, and Winston Peters

1032
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Speaker 2: is back in the game as a possibility for labor.

1033
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Speaker 2: Now that requires right That requires labor to roll Chris

1034
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Speaker 2: Hipkins and then their chances are good again. However, that

1035
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Speaker 2: requires labor actually realizing that they need Winston Peters to

1036
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Speaker 2: form coalition government after twenty twenty six, and that requires

1037
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Speaker 2: them also realizing there is no way they can coalesce

1038
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Speaker 2: with the Maori Party because most voters are allergic to

1039
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Speaker 2: the shenanigans that that party get up to. But I

1040
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Speaker 2: don't think Labor is smart enough to realize that yet.

1041
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: Do you ever do for c Ellen's Stewart Nash is

1042
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: going to be with us very shortly and talk us

1043
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Speaker 2: through it. I think he's much of the same view

1044
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Speaker 2: as I am. Anyway, we'll stand by to hear what

1045
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Speaker 2: he's got to say about it.

1046
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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Artificial intelligence. We're going to talk about AI later in

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Speaker 2: the program. This morning I hosted an event about AI.

1049
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Speaker 2: On the panel was Jason Parris, who's the CEO of

1050
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Speaker 2: One New Zealand. Because because One New Zealand has commissioned

1051
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Speaker 2: this report about artificial intelligence, they've had a look at.

1052
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Speaker 2: What they found is actually fascinating. The vast majority of

1053
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Speaker 2: us use artificial intelligence every single day. We don't even

1054
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Speaker 2: know that we're using it, right, but three quarters of

1055
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Speaker 2: us do it every single day and know that we

1056
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Speaker 2: are doing it. We know we're doing it, but we're

1057
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Speaker 2: still really worried about it. We're worried it's going to

1058
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Speaker 2: take jobs. We're worried that the data is going to

1059
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Speaker 2: be misused, We're worried about data privacy. We're worried that

1060
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Speaker 2: AI is going to make unfair decisions. So there seems

1061
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit of a disconnect, like we

1062
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Speaker 2: kind of love it enough to use it, but we're

1063
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Speaker 2: also really freaked out about the implications of it. We're

1064
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Speaker 2: going to talk to Jason Harris about that after six.

1065
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Speaker 2: But the thing that I really love about this is

1066
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Speaker 2: that here's of the view that New Zealand actually stands

1067
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Speaker 2: to benefit more than any other country, or more than

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Speaker 2: most countries if we get onto the AI quickly because

1069
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Speaker 2: the size of our business. Because you got all these

1070
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Speaker 2: guys out there peddling AI solutions for things that they'll

1071
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Speaker 2: come to you. They'll be like, if you put this

1072
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Speaker 2: AI solution into your business, blah blah blah will happen.

1073
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Speaker 2: But they don't have a lot of businesses to try

1074
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Speaker 2: it on. But New Zealand businesses are small enough, nimble

1075
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Speaker 2: enough to actually try it on. We are the perfect

1076
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Speaker 2: test case. This could be great for New Zealand if

1077
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Speaker 2: we just do it. Jason's with us after six.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1079
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Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd be you an't

1081
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Speaker 1: desire more siding.

1082
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Speaker 2: By Jason Parris and I said with us on AI

1083
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Speaker 2: after six o'clock Brad Olson wants to have a fight

1084
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Speaker 2: with me, as indicated yesterday abouts to the super age.

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Speaker 2: And on a Tuesday he is with us at quarter

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Speaker 2: past six, so it appears that today is the day

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Speaker 2: that we're going to have this fight. It's twenty four

1088
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Speaker 2: away from six now. Labor Party leader Chris Hopkins is

1089
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Speaker 2: trying very hard to pretend he doesn't care about Winston

1090
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Speaker 2: Peter's ruling out ever working with him against. Stuart Nash

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Speaker 2: is a former Labor Party cabinet member.

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Speaker 3: I think most people in the Labor Party look at

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters. I think we'd rather not have to work

1094
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Speaker 3: with him anyway. Plenty of water to flow under the

1095
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Speaker 3: bridge before the next selection got My goal is to

1096
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Speaker 3: grow Labors vote as large as I can there.

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Speaker 2: He is trying very hard to pretend he doesn't can.

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Speaker 2: Stewart Nash is a former Labor Party cabinet minister and

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Speaker 2: with us. Now, Hey Stu, hey, how are you? Sounds

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Speaker 2: a bit flat though, doesn't.

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Speaker 16: He Well, First of all, before I'm make any commentary

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Speaker 16: in this, I do want to say I've got no

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Speaker 16: insights on this whatsoever. I haven't spoken to Winston about

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Speaker 16: this or Chris. But you know, Hapkins has got a

1105
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Speaker 16: well Labor. Actually, it's a very interesting dilemma here because

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00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 16: of course Labour wants to grow their vote. It's not inconceivable, Heather,

1107
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 16: that Labor could get let's say thirty five thirty six

1108
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 16: at the next election.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 16: And you know I live in the regions and I

1111
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 16: spent a lot of time in the regions. The only

1112
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 16: party at the moment that's resonating really with you, good

1113
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 16: hard working men and women is New Zeale First. I mean,

1114
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 16: Chris luxem sort of alienated quite a few of them.

1115
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 16: Labour has as well. They've become a bit of a

1116
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 16: liberal party once again, a liberal, big city party once again.

1117
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 16: The thing is is, if you get Labor at thirty

1118
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 16: six in an I'll turn to reality and New Zealand

1119
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 16: first is on fifteen, then you can form a government.

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Speaker 16: Imagine then if you had National on thirty three, New

1121
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 16: Zealand First on fifteen, and ACT on sort of five.

1122
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 16: I don't know what the numbers are, so you would

1123
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 16: so you'd have a choice between Labor and New Zealand

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00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 16: First or New Zealand First, National and ACT. Now keep

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00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 16: in mind Winston's only said he ruled out working with

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Speaker 16: Chris Sipkins. I did not hear him say he's ruled

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00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 16: out working with Labor.

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Speaker 2: No, he hasn't. He's it's only Chris Sippins, which means

1129
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: to you that Chippy's got a target on his back,

1130
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: or should have at least.

1131
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's a really important conversation that that Labor has

1133
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 16: to have because you know, if you end up in

1134
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Speaker 16: a situation where Winston says, look, I'll work with Labor

1135
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 16: and I'd prefer to be in a you know, a

1136
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 16: two party coalition then a three party coalition, then Labor

1137
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 16: will have to make a very a very important decision

1138
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 16: around whether they say, because you know, I have no

1139
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 16: doubt that Hipkins will be the leader going into the election,

1140
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 16: that we will that Hippins will stand aside and will

1141
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 16: appoint someone that Winston can work with, or no, we're

1142
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 16: not going to go into power. And now, the thing

1143
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 16: we know about opposition is you don't have an ability

1144
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 16: to influence anything. It's a complete and utter waste of

1145
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 16: time from a political perspective. When you're in government, you

1146
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 16: get to change the world. Right, So you go into

1147
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 16: politics to be in government. So it is a really

1148
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 16: interesting dilimit Now. It may be that that situation doesn't arise,

1149
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 16: but I can see a situation where that where the

1150
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 16: labor cabinet, sorry, the labor caucus, has to make a

1151
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 16: very important decision around what they do in a post

1152
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 16: election environment.

1153
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Speaker 2: Problem is, I'll tell you what the problem with them

1154
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: is to you, is that they I think they need

1155
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: to realize how badly they need Winston, and in order

1156
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: for them to realize that, they need to realize that

1157
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: most people do not want to see the Marti Party

1158
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: and government right.

1159
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 21: I don't think that.

1160
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Speaker 2: I don't know that they've realized that yet.

1161
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know. I think they probably have.

1162
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 16: I mean, you know, I've been urging them, not that

1163
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 16: they listen to me, but I've been urging them to

1164
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 16: rule out working with to party Mary. I mean, I

1165
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 16: haven't spoken to one person that I know that says,

1166
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 16: I know would love to see to party Mary. How's

1167
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 16: the government?

1168
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 22: I don't know.

1169
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 16: I really don't know.

1170
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: Close to the election r Jay and Willie Jackson thinks

1171
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: that Marty Party totally fine.

1172
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Speaker 16: Oh my god, no no. I think if they don't

1173
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 16: rule out to party Mary, as they hidden the election,

1174
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 16: they haven't got a hope in hell of getting their

1175
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 16: hands on the leaves of power.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, you were the police minister. What's your insight

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Speaker 2: on whether the cops turn up to shoplifting under five

1178
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: hundred dollars?

1179
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 16: Well, I would go to you know, I've been on

1180
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 16: your show before talking about the systems arrest. I think

1181
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 16: that's really important. You know, the CoP's got limited resources.

1182
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 16: I would rather they chase after, you know, the p

1183
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 16: dealers and those who are causing the most mischief.

1184
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: Did that ring true for you?

1185
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 16: Well, I don't know. I mean it sounds a little

1186
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 16: strange because police deploy resources based on needs. So if

1187
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 16: there's nothing much going on, then of course they'll turn up.

1188
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 16: But if there's that, or they're chasing after someone who's

1189
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 16: committed a more serious crime, then they will go for

1190
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 16: the more serious crime. But it doesn't ring true that

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00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 16: they just flatly refuse to turn up and keeping the

1192
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 16: mind retail crime, man, it's a killer if you've got

1193
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 16: to book some watar store on in the main street.

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00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Stuart, thank you so much, appreciate it. Stuart Nash,

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00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: former Labor Party Minister.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty find you're

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00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: one of the kind.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me, I've got Thomas Scringer of

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Speaker 2: Maximum Institution and Allie Jones of red PR. Hello you too,

1201
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: Hi the Thomas. I'm so confused. Do the police or

1202
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: do the police not investigate shoplifts under five hundred dollars?

1203
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 22: Well here, I think one of the reasons people are

1204
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 22: getting a bit upset about this is that they heard

1205
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 22: about this leaked memo and it was believable. There's kind

1206
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 22: of an ongoing problem of retail crime not being addressed,

1207
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 22: and this news hasn't told us anything that a lot

1208
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 22: of people didn't believe already.

1209
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 22: The other question is like, what is even meant by investigate?

1211
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 22: You know, there's a lot of things that are investigated,

1212
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 22: and that they took some notes and put it in

1213
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 22: a database for crime statistics, But don't really have any

1214
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 22: ability to go further. The risk is that over time

1215
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 22: this stuff erodes norms and trust. Obviously police have limited resources,

1216
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 22: but if people know it's open season on minor retail crime,

1217
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 22: then it's just going to increase in number.

1218
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1219
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Speaker 2: I mean, it makes a really good point, doesn't the

1220
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: alley because actually, even if it's even if for all

1221
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: of the explaining that they're doing now, a lot of

1222
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 2: people are just going to believe that it is the case.

1223
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think so. I think actually Stuart Nation made

1224
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 15: some really good points. I don't think they've said that

1225
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 15: every crime will be investigated. What I've heard is we

1226
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 15: will continue to catch offenders wherever possible.

1227
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 2: I think they said there.

1228
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 15: Will be a police response. That can mean anything. That

1229
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 15: can be a phone call to the shop to say,

1230
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 15: how are you going? Anyone hurt? Yeah, okay, we'll get

1231
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 15: there if we can. I mean, I think I think

1232
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 15: Thomas is right here. This has all come from this

1233
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 15: ridiculous What the hell is the file management center anyway?

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: So Allie is the vile management center, not where you

1235
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: When the call comes in and it gets it becomes

1236
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: it becomes a file, it becomes a case. Note it

1237
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: gets sent to them, doesn't it to file it somewhere?

1238
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: They're like the librarians, aren't they? Yeah, well, who would know?

1239
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 15: I mean I had a visual straight away of this

1240
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 15: room full of files. I mean that's just because you know,

1241
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 15: that's how I was imagining it. But I mean they

1242
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 15: said that they were applying nationally standardized value thresholds basically,

1243
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 15: And how the hell you can be so prescriptive on

1244
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 15: something like that, I do not know. I think what

1245
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 15: Stuart Nash said was correct. It will depend on where

1246
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 15: the priorities are and who they have available. But you

1247
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 15: cannot rule out not investigating these crimes. I think as

1248
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 15: soon as you do, it's open season.

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also at the same time, job was We

1250
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: have to be realistic, don't They're just simply are not

1251
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: enough police officers to go around for all of the

1252
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: crimes that are reported, and therefore we have to put

1253
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: more power in the retailer's hands, don't we.

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00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 22: Well, I mean, obviously retailers and certainly some advocates have

1255
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 22: been calling for the citizens arrest things we've been hearing about,

1256
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 22: which is fine so far as it goes. I'm open

1257
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 22: to it, but we don't want retailers having to defend

1258
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 22: themselves to be our policy prescription for crime. We need

1259
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 22: the cops to be able to say we are able

1260
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 22: to address this ourselves. Citizens arrests are a policy of

1261
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 22: last resort, not a plan.

1262
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Heather.

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00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 15: I don't understand what the big issue is here though.

1264
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 15: I mean, if someone is going to rip someone off

1265
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 15: in a shop, they are not going to know what

1266
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 15: the priorities are for the police at that time. So

1267
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 15: it's kind of a bit like Russian roulette. So if

1268
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 15: you're going to steal something, you could be investigated. You

1269
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 15: may not, but is it worth the risk? And I

1270
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 15: think that's probably the way the police are applying it.

1271
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe so. So what you're doing is if you're

1272
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: going to go four, are you saying you're going to

1273
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: go make your four hundred and ninety nine dollar thing

1274
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: to be under the five hundred dollars threshold. You're taking

1275
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: a bit of a punt as to whether the cops

1276
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: are available that day or not.

1277
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 15: No, I think the dollar limit is just an absolute

1278
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 15: redhead hearring.

1279
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 4: I really do.

1280
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 15: I think we have to ignore the dollar the dollar value.

1281
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 15: I don't think if someone is found stealing a bottle

1282
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 15: of nail polish. That's probably a bit different. But I

1283
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 15: don't think that there's a line there that says, you know,

1284
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 15: five hundred bucks. I think it's dependent on whether police

1285
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 15: are available or not. Yes, and that's what the shoplift

1286
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 15: has got to consider, regardless of what they're stealing.

1287
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, okay, that's a fair point. All right, we'll

1288
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: take a break. Come back to you guys shortly quarter two.

1289
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand southebast International Realty achieve extraordinary

1290
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

1291
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Speaker 2: Write you back with a huddle, Alie, what are we

1292
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: going to do about this? Run it nonsense?

1293
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 15: Oh Heather, isn't it just tragic? I mean, this young

1294
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 15: man that's recently died watching it on the TV, watching

1295
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 15: grown men run at each other, young men and women,

1296
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 15: young women. They do stupid things, right, but it shouldn't

1297
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 15: cost them their life. And this is just stupid, absolutely stupid.

1298
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 15: We all know the dangers and I actually think anyone

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Speaker 15: who organizes this as a part of this, promotes this,

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Speaker 15: shows it on social media, should be done for attempted murder.

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Speaker 15: I think this potentially is something that is going to

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Speaker 15: kill people as we are seeing, and I think people

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Speaker 15: should be held accountable for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Thomas, I think we all want to hold

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Speaker 2: somebody accountable, but realistically we can't. Really the only we

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Speaker 2: can't even ban it really because because we'll just do

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Speaker 2: it wherever.

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Speaker 4: So what do you do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you just to just talk to kids

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Speaker 2: and keep ramming home the message you can't do this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean I think it's important to acknowledge that

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Speaker 22: though this was an incredibly tragic loss of life with

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Speaker 22: this young man passing away, he was not participating in

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Speaker 22: any formal event as far as I understand it. So

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Speaker 22: there is this formal run it straight event that's being organized,

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Speaker 22: but he was just participating with some presumably friends, doing

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Speaker 22: something that wasn't wise. And I worry when our first

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Speaker 22: response to any tragedy is immediately okay, how do we

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Speaker 22: step in and how can we immediately solve this problem?

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Speaker 22: What should the government have already done? I think the

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Speaker 22: run at straight events is a formal thing probably shouldn't happen,

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Speaker 22: Certainly I can't imagine that pass any work safe assessment

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Speaker 22: protection for the people who are participating. But in the

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Speaker 22: case of this young man, passing away. I think it's

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Speaker 22: a tragedy and a lesson to be learned, But there's

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Speaker 22: not actually anything government could do.

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Speaker 15: Well, maybe they could run a public information campaign. Then

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Speaker 15: you know, we talk about the dangers with smoking, we

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Speaker 15: talk about the danger of cholesterol and diabetes. I mean,

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Speaker 15: your brain jiggling around inside your skull is quite clearly

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Speaker 15: quite dangerous and can kill you.

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Speaker 2: So then Ali, maybe the government, I agree with you,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, obviously that's a message we want to

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Speaker 2: ram home. But haven't we been talking about this with

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Speaker 2: regard to sport and contact sport for like decades now, and.

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Speaker 15: So have we though it's been on the news, Well,

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Speaker 15: I think it's been on the news, and you could

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Speaker 15: say the same about five plus a day. You could

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Speaker 15: say that about a whole lot of stuff that we

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Speaker 15: try and put out there from a public information, you know, perspective.

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Speaker 15: But I think that this has become such a fad

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Speaker 15: if you like, now, and the fact that it's got

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Speaker 15: grown ups doing it, and as Thomas mentioned, you've got

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Speaker 15: these almost sanctioned official events. I think it's quite different.

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Speaker 15: I think that something seriously has to be done and

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Speaker 15: be done soon. And I think some information Let's see

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Speaker 15: those brains jiggling around inside those heads and sea eyes

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Speaker 15: rolling back and people dying, because that's.

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Speaker 20: What it does to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you wouldn't think you would think, though, Alie,

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Speaker 2: that that just what watching these videos, seeing somebody get

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Speaker 2: the head knock and convulse on the ground should be

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Speaker 2: enough to make the kids not want to do it.

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Speaker 15: And yet I do one of them want to watch

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Speaker 15: that though. What was that thing Jackass or something on

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Speaker 15: TV years ago? Right, that's people like watching that stuff.

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Speaker 15: I can't watch it. It actually makes me feel sick.

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Speaker 15: But people love that noise, they love that crunch, they

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Speaker 15: love people landing with a bar between the legs or whatever.

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Speaker 15: So there's always going to be a market for someone

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Speaker 15: to see something like that, and it's just gross.

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Speaker 2: We have to stop it, Okay, now, thoughts Thomas on

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Speaker 2: mccron v. Macron on the plane.

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean here there as a general rule, I

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Speaker 22: try not to understand the French. It's a it's a

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Speaker 22: place I just I don't want to wrap my head around.

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Speaker 22: But what I want to say is Emmanuel Macron is

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Speaker 22: a pro. You know, the door is open here realizes

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Speaker 22: and immediately he switched on with a big grin, So

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Speaker 22: he's clearly, clearly a pro when it comes to politicking.

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Speaker 22: And what about the guy who opened the door? I mean, well,

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Speaker 22: I wasn't going to call for it, but he has

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Speaker 22: one job and it's opened the door at the right

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Speaker 22: time and in the wrong time.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what though, Allie, have you ever considered, like,

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Speaker 2: did you did you pause at any point during the

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Speaker 2: day and thinks if it was the other way around,

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Speaker 2: if it was a dude shoving his hands in a

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Speaker 2: woman's face, the difference that it would be.

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Speaker 15: I thought you were going to say, did you pause

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01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 15: the video so you could see? Really No, I didn't

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01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 15: think about the gender swap, to be honest, because I'm

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Speaker 15: so fascinated by call us.

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Speaker 2: I want to call us out because we're all finding

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Speaker 2: this mildly amusing that it's a woman doing it to

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Speaker 2: a man. But it's still domestic violence, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: I remember who was It was a Nigella lawson and

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Speaker 15: her then husband a number of years ago, and he

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Speaker 15: put his hands up around her face or neck and

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Speaker 15: that was all over the media. I think it comes

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Speaker 15: down to weather. People really genuinely believe this was a

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Speaker 15: physical altercation or a bit of you know, a bit

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Speaker 15: of fun. I think that she was seriously annoyed. Clearly

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01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 15: has tape. Yeah I know, but he's saying it's a

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Speaker 15: bit of a joke.

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Speaker 2: Last time you were having a bit of fun with

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Speaker 2: your husband and shoved your hands in his mouth. Well,

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Speaker 2: don't ask that question.

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Speaker 15: No, that's yeah, No, I'm not that's too much information.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Heather.

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Speaker 2: Yes, really good place to leave it, guys, Thank you

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 2: so much. Ellie Jones read PR Thomas Scriminger, Maximum Institute. Wow,

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: that's all I have to say. If you haven't seen

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01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: the video, go and watch it, because Wow, you just

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: knew that those two had that kind of a relationship,

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 2: didn't they Lade away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupers All and Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talks be.

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Speaker 2: Five Away from six. Heather. Is Brigitte Macron a man

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Speaker 2: or a woman?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but there is

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01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory that Brigitte Macron is a woman now

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Speaker 2: a man because she obviously is a woman obviously and

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01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: apparently and this all this has been going How long

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01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 2: has this been going on on? The internets for years,

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01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: for years apparently, but it apparently surfaced while I was

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Speaker 2: on maternity leave and sort of, you know how conspiracy

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01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: theory sort of bubbler long and then the what pop

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: their head up, you know, like occasionally, well popped up

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01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 2: in February and then Laura the German was telling me

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: about it because she and her friends like to do

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01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: this thing where they get together and they have sort

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: of like create your own fun events and to create

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01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: your own fun event that they did. Listen, what mums

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: do you know? Mums try to find interesting things. Anyway,

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: the create your own fun event that they for themselves

1431
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: the ladies was that they had to give each other

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Speaker 2: a presentation on their favorite conspiracy theories. And she was

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Speaker 2: telling me that her friends their favorite conspiracy theory is,

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01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: in fact, that Brigitte Macron is a man. So I

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: didn't know this thing with them, Well, do not type

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01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: it into your computer because it's gonna there's not just

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01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: one or two hits on. I mean, whoa Candace Owens,

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01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 2: You know Candace Owens from the US Old Old loves

1439
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: a conspiracy controversy herself. She's been peddling it. She reckons

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Speaker 2: Brigitte used to go by the name Jean Michel Tournelle

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01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: and then transitioned and now is you know. And look,

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: I've had a number of texts on it, so I've

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01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: been trying to ignore it, but it's been going on

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01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: for two hours and it's worn me down and scrammed

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: me down. So now I've mentioned it. But apparently living

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: proof that she is in fact a man is the

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: fact that she laid hands on a man. Honey, I

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01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: don't think that's proof that she's a man. Women do

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: that regard. I don't need to be meant anyway. There

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01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: you go, that's something you didn't know that you now

1451
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: know about. And you can google that later on and

1452
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: totally stuff with the algorithm because it's gonna give you.

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01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: After that, you'll get all kinds of They're going to

1454
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: start throwing fluoridation at you if you type the sin.

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just warning you, Heather. Stuart Nash is definitely

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01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: going to stand for New Zealand first, Isn't he?

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Speaker 4: Isn't he? Though?

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Speaker 2: I mean, did you hear it? Did you hear the

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: sucking sounds as he sucked up to Winston when he

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01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: was like, it's the only party getting cut through in

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01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: the regions. Jeez, honestly, hither what are we going to

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01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: do when the cops actually turn up to shoplifters and

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: catch them. The courts can't even deal with the most

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Speaker 2: serious crime right now. Thank you for raising that, because

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Speaker 2: we need to talk at some stage in the next

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: hour about the pe dealers in Nadawahir. And there's a

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Speaker 2: whole story there, but includes at the tail end of

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 2: the story how we go from three years in jail

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01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: to ten months home d And yeah, that judge should

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: feel pretty ashamed of himself. I would have thought we'll

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Speaker 2: deal with that. But next up, let's talk AI with

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Speaker 2: Jason Parris of One New Zealand you still t b

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Speaker 2: I get in when.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather duple Clan Dan Mas Insurance and Investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future news talks that be

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Speaker 1: even in coming up.

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Speaker 2: In the next hour. We've got that FAGO CR decision tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Paul Bloxham of HSB will give us his thoughts on

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01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: just how much it needs to drop by. Brad Olsen

1481
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: wants to fight with me about super so we'll do

1482
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: it and we'll have Ende Brady with us out of

1483
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 2: the UK. It's seven past six now to AI. Most

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: of us use AI, and we know that we're using it.

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: Four and five of us almost have used it in

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: the past year knowingly. But that doesn't mean we trust it.

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Speaker 2: And you report by One New Zealand out today found

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01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: we do not trust large companies to use it. We're

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Speaker 2: most concerned with our personal data being misused, with job

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Speaker 2: losses associated with AI, and with AI making unfair decisions.

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Speaker 2: Jason Parris is the chief executive of one end z Hi. Jason,

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Speaker 2: I hear that, Jason, Given that most of us use it,

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 2: you'd think they would be okay with it. But why

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01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: are we so worried about it?

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01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think there's a bit of nervousness about it

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 23: because people don't know that probably using it most days anyway.

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 23: So I think the survey said seventy percent of us, no,

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Speaker 23: we are, but I think it's more like one hundred

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Speaker 23: percent of people are using Spotify or maps or social

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Speaker 23: or social media. But I think it's the lack of

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01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 23: transparency on what is going on behind the scenes of

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01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 23: those AI tools that they don't know about. Makes you

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 23: naturally suspicious. How are you using my data? How you

1504
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 23: are you are you tracking me? What is this going

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 23: to mean for jobs and for employment when you make

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01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 23: a recommendation to me? Is it in my best interests?

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 23: Or is it in the best interests of the company.

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01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 23: So all pretty interesting themes that I kind of you know,

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01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 23: it makes sense that customers should be concerned about it.

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Speaker 2: Is it maybe an underlying lack of trust in big

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Speaker 2: corporate It's like, it's okay for me to use AI

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01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 2: because I know what I'm doing and I can trust myself,

1513
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: But I don't trust those guys.

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 23: There's probably an undertone there. It's just been around, you know,

1515
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 23: for years globally in New Zealand. But I think with

1516
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 23: the opportunity is you've got this massive opportunity, a productivity

1517
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,919
Speaker 23: gain for New Zealand by using AI across different businesses

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 23: and all facets of life. But it needs to be

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 23: done transparently, and sometimes corporates aren't as transparent as they

1520
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 23: need to be, and therefore there's a.

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01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 5: Question on trust.

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01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 23: I don't think any corporate gets up every morning and

1523
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 23: goes how can I rip a customer off? And I

1524
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 23: don't think they're going to go how can I use

1525
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 23: AI to do anything bad? We just need to be

1526
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 23: about transparent about how we use this amazing technology.

1527
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think that the job fears are I mean,

1528
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: you mentioned it yourself. People are really worried that they

1529
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 2: will lose their jobs or all these humans will be

1530
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 2: displaced by robots. But it seems increasingly that actually it's

1531
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: more a tool for the humans to use. You still

1532
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: need the humans at the moment.

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 23: AI is coming to your job, not for your job,

1534
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 23: like we've deployed AI across most parts of our business,

1535
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 23: and I would say the max I've seen of anyone's

1536
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 23: job of tasks that someone would be forming is about

1537
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 23: thirty percent. So what it's doing at the moment is

1538
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 23: just letting us get to that to do list that's

1539
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 23: longer than my arm that you never get to by

1540
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 23: removing all the noise and the stuff that you don't

1541
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 23: like doing because it's repetitive and boring and brain dumbing,

1542
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 23: so you can work on the.

1543
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 5: Call sexy stuff.

1544
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 23: And five years though, I think the technology is evolving

1545
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 23: fast enough to go, actually some roles won't be there

1546
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 23: because the roles we've got organizations are to kind of

1547
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 23: hide process gaps or an efficiency or old technology that

1548
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 23: shouldn't be in the business, and so you should be

1549
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 23: able to speed it up using AI. The key is

1550
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 23: then to make sure that you train and upscale those

1551
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 23: people so they can be deployed in more value creating

1552
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 23: roles within your organization and it doesn't come as a surprise.

1553
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 23: So again, corporates have a responsibility to talk early and transparently,

1554
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 23: not just with customers but their teams as well.

1555
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 2: Out of ten, how much of a cheerleader do you

1556
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: think you are.

1557
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 5: Well compared to the warriors?

1558
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 4: Or like?

1559
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: That sounded so much more disparaging than I meant it

1560
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 2: to sound. I don't mean it in a disparaging way

1561
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 2: at all, but I mean you are like a super

1562
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: enthusiast for this, aren't you.

1563
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 4: Well.

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01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 23: I just love New Zealand, I think, and you as

1565
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 23: you know. I think it's the greatest country on the

1566
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 23: planet to live and work. Yes, we have our challenges,

1567
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 23: but I just think it's it's a privilege to live here.

1568
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 23: And I can see that AI could be the new

1569
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 23: productivity gain or create new areas of growth and innovation.

1570
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: For for us, especially for New Zealand fast because we move.

1571
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,480
Speaker 23: Fast and our lack of scale is a massive advantage

1572
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,440
Speaker 23: because we can move, we can move fast. The digitization

1573
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 23: of the world means that you know, actually innovation is decentralized.

1574
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 23: You don't need to go to Silicon Valley. You can

1575
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 23: do it from Auckland or Nelson or you know, Timaru.

1576
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: Jason, do you reckon? People have realized though? Have the

1577
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: big corporate leaders, Have the workers of New Zealand realized

1578
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: how much we could actually use this and harnessed it.

1579
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 23: I think they have. And that is the danger because

1580
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 23: we're going to go after it fast, which we should,

1581
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 23: but we need to go after it transparently and make

1582
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 23: sure that we do it in a way that brings

1583
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 23: our customers with us and they trust us for it.

1584
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: So I've downloaded the chat GPT. Well, yep, I've already had.

1585
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: It's already it's already solved a lot of my problems today. Jason,

1586
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: next minute, I'm.

1587
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 23: Too you should be not just at work, but also

1588
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 23: at home as well. I found it can get you

1589
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 23: out of a lot of trouble at home too.

1590
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 2: Oh you do you want to expand on that for us?

1591
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 23: Just you know, what are the excuses for me being

1592
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 23: you know forty five minutes late yet again for my

1593
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 23: wife that I haven't already used a number of times before.

1594
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 2: Jason, thank you very much, look after yourself. Jason Parris,

1595
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: chief executive of One New Zealand. I'll tell you what

1596
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 2: so on the AI, I have been a little bit

1597
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: sort of on it right because what happened was when

1598
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: it came out early days, I tried it out and

1599
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: I was just a little underwhelmed by it. I just thought, look,

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: there's nothing that this thing is doing that are kind

1601
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 2: of like extensive Google search. Couldn't base that I couldn't

1602
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 2: just take a couple of minutes extra and doing an

1603
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: extensive Google search. And I don't know that chat gpt

1604
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: had an app at that stage. So it all just

1605
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 2: felt a little bit hard. But what has happened is

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01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: that Jason Paris today at this event that I was

1607
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: telling you about that I chaired the panel of, he

1608
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 2: demonstrated how far AI has come in the last few months,

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01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: Like where what I was using a few months ago

1610
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: and was underwhelmed by is completely different to what they're

1611
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 2: using right now. So he got the app open, there

1612
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: was a bunch of flowers behind him, held the app to,

1613
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, open the camera and stuff, and said to

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01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 2: the app, what is this? And it says, A beautiful

1615
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: bunch of flowers. It looks really nice in that particular setting.

1616
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: And then he was and it was like, it looks

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: like this kind of flower and that kind of flower.

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01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: And he asked it, where can I buy this in

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: New Zealand? Name specific shops and it named specific shops

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: where he could go. And so as you can see,

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01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you can just hold your phone to something

1622
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: and say what is it and it will tell you

1623
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: what it is and where you can buy it. I mean,

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 2: you've got to prompt it a weep it, but that's

1625
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot faster than sitting there googling,

1626
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: going purple flower, what is it?

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01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 13: Is it that one?

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: Or is it that one? AI will do it all

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: for you. But the remarkable thing about it is not

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: so much that AI is doing this, because I mean,

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01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 2: I think we all anticipated AI would do this. It's

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: how quickly it has advanced just in the last few

1633
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: months since I popoed it. Now I've downloaded the app.

1634
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to be using it for everything, and

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm also going to download it on my husband's phone

1636
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: so that I can just eliminate some of the questions

1637
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: that I'm getting. Like if he's like, what's that, I'll

1638
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: be like, here's your chat GPT use your second wife.

1639
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: Ask the second wife, don't ask the first wife. Fourteen

1640
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: past six.

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Speaker 2: This, parents fights music. Yeah, that's a bit more fighty.

1647
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Speaker 2: All right, Brad, that's you, Brad Olson Informetric's principal economist.

1648
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: Because Brad, you're gonna have a fight with me about superannuation,

1649
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 2: aren't you.

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01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 8: I don't think it'll be a fight. I think it'll

1651
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 8: be a good ration debate.

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 20: You know, we'll have some some good information coming through

1653
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 20: and we'll see what principal points win at the end.

1654
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 2: Right, what is your problem with my position?

1655
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 20: My problem is that you want to you're defending your

1656
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 20: trying to keep the pension, and I get that. Your

1657
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 20: point is also that you want to see some of

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01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 20: that the welfare support that's being provided out there trend

1659
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 20: back as well. But let's get real on the New

1660
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 20: Zealand Super conversation. At the moment, New Zealand is spending

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 20: twenty three point two billion dollars on SUPER. That's more

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 20: than the entire education budget. It's far more than any

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 20: other benefit we've got coming forward. It is increasingly and

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01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 20: I think the challenge that I've got on SUPER and

1665
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 20: maintaining it at its current rate is that people are

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 20: living longer. We've got more older people coming through. At

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 20: some point, we as a country are already having to

1668
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 20: start deciding what we're spending on or not. And at

1669
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 20: the moment, we're paying for people to be old over

1670
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 20: other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is the total welfare budget in New Zealand.

1672
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: How much do we allocate to it.

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 20: It's a round about forty billion dollars in the last year, again,

1674
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 20: twenty three billion of that being New Zealand Super alone.

1675
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: Okay, so there is a huge amount, and in that

1676
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: we will be counting I mean, that's not even everything

1677
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: that I have a problem with, but in that we're

1678
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 2: counting the winter energy money, we're counting the assistance for

1679
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: working for families. Everything's in there, right, that's that.

1680
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 20: Yep, you've got everything from job seeker about four point

1681
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 20: six billion through to working out winter energy payment.

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01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: Kay, brilliant. So we've got we've got a lot of

1683
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 2: money that we can peel back here. Now, why would

1684
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: you not start by pick because I don't mind moving

1685
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: the pension. My only argument is prioritizing, right, why would

1686
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: you not start by taking money off people who actually

1687
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,480
Speaker 2: can pay for things themselves? For example, students.

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01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 8: Sorry like like like older people. Mean again, you've got.

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01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: Let me finish. I'm talking about students, right, students who

1690
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: are in the third year of university who up to

1691
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: now we're paying for it themselves.

1692
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 8: Why are we not?

1693
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: Why are we suddenly paying for it? Why don't we

1694
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: take that away from them first?

1695
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 20: Well, because in terms of being for back, it's New

1696
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 20: Zealand super where you'll get the biggest change there. I mean, look,

1697
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 20: you talk about people who can pay for it themselves.

1698
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 20: At the moment, fifty percent of sixty five to sixty

1699
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 20: nine year olds currently still work, and we are giving

1700
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 20: them money every single week for just being over the

1701
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 20: age of sixty five. There's no means testing that goes

1702
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 20: on at all. So in terms of I mean put

1703
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 20: it this way. At the moment, New Zealand Souper is

1704
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 20: the biggest welfare line. The second largest is Job Secret

1705
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 20: for PA.

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01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: We're not going to take all of it away, Brad,

1707
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: how much are we going to save? If we shift

1708
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: the goalpost from sixty five to sixty seven, you'd.

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 20: Shift You'd be earning a lot more back than you

1710
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 20: would be by making some changes for the likes of

1711
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 20: the student allowanced student loans and fees free that came through.

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01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: I haven't for watched there. I would be doing a

1713
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 2: lot more than that. I'd be taking away that third

1714
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: year free quickly. That should be an easy hit. I

1715
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: don't even understand why they're not doing that fast. I

1716
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: do that, then I take away the winter energy payment,

1717
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 2: because then at least you're peeling a little bit a

1718
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: bit of something away from the pensioners. But also then

1719
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: I'd start having a really good look at that working

1720
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: for families which has just basically blown out, hasn't it.

1721
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: And in there do you not think that you could

1722
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 2: save as much as if you take away those two

1723
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Speaker 2: years off pensioners.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think of you if you took the two

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01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 20: years off pension if you changed that age. And that's

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 20: more specifically because we know that people are spending an

1727
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 20: extra nearly five years on SUPER than they were before. Yes,

1728
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 20: put it this way, if I was telling you that

1729
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 20: people were spending five extra years on jobs seeking benefits,

1730
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 20: you'll be absolutely you know, besides yourself with the level

1731
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 20: of benefit dependency there. And that's what we're doing with SUPER.

1732
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 20: So I guess my proposal here is if you're wanting

1733
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 20: to sort of figure out where you can claw back

1734
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 20: some of the money that isn't currently sort of targeted

1735
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 20: to the people that need it the most, New Zealand

1736
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 20: Super is far and away the area that you need

1737
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 20: to address first. Yes, you might be willing to address

1738
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 20: those other areas too, but you're talking since on the

1739
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 20: dollar compared to what you're doing. If you change New

1740
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 20: Zealand Super, we literally are getting to the point hither

1741
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 20: where we will be spending one in five dollars that

1742
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 20: government spends will be on New Zealand Souper in about

1743
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 20: a decade's time.

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Speaker 8: So all the other stuff is pipsqueaks.

1745
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Speaker 2: Ay you means testing it or are you just going

1746
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: sixty five to sixty seven for everybody, I.

1747
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Speaker 8: Would probably look at doing both.

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Speaker 20: I mean, the sixty five to sixty seven shift is

1749
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 20: purely because life expectancy has increased from where it was

1750
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 20: in the nineteen nineties when we last change give a brand.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to you on this, and

1752
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: I'm it say it's very easy for you to say

1753
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 2: this because you sit on your butt all day doing economics. Right,

1754
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: you try telling this to a builder who's carrying gigantic

1755
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: pieces of timber since he was seventeen, eighteen years old.

1756
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: His body is broken by sixty never mind sixty five,

1757
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: never mind sixty seven.

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01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 20: Then you address that in the right way through targeting,

1759
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 20: not by providing it to everyone. Because while I might

1760
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 20: agree with you, there around the likes of construction workers

1761
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 20: and some of my father is one of them. You

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01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 20: look at the number of people there that are still

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Speaker 20: getting paid plus when they're over the age of sixty five,

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 20: that are also doing jobs.

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Speaker 8: Just like mine.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not another one for you, Okay, I'm.

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Speaker 20: Thinking here that you would argue I expect that looking

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01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 20: at that same example, if you had brad Age sixty

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 20: seven currently doing his economist's role, are you wanting to

1770
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 20: give him New Zealand Super.

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 8: Can you really support that, Brad?

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Speaker 2: I think that you've paid a lot in your taxes

1773
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 2: and you deserve to be looked after. And if you

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: don't want to work at sixty five, y're entitled to.

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01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 20: But that's a difference here because I haven't actually contributed

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01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 20: anything through to my future New Zealand Super payments. All

1777
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 20: I'm doing at the moment as a taxpayer under thirty

1778
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 20: is I'm currently paying for the Super for those who

1779
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 20: are currently retired. There is no pre payment here of

1780
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 20: New Zealand Super apart from a bit of an adjustment

1781
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 20: in the Color Fund. But put it this way for you, hither,

1782
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 20: when you're not currently retired, you have not pre paid anything.

1783
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 8: For you take it. The government owes you nothing.

1784
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 2: Okay. I totally accept that argument. I mean that emotionally

1785
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: they do. But I understand what you're saying. But what

1786
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: about this? Okay, So if we were to adjust sixty

1787
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: five to sixty seven, when are we doing it?

1788
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 20: I would start to increase it by anywhere from three

1789
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 20: to six months almost immediately.

1790
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 2: No, but you're you, you don't get to call the shots.

1791
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 2: Let's be realistic about this. When are the politicians going

1792
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: to do it? When did Billings shake?

1793
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 8: I'll still be alive. I don't know if I'll still

1794
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 8: be alive when the politicians.

1795
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 2: Okay, move, I mean what you're arguing about is something

1796
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 2: that they will start signaling now for thirty years from now. Okay,

1797
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 2: can we wait that long?

1798
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 4: Well?

1799
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 2: No, I don't think we can all start with the

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01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: tertiary stuff immediately and then we'll pencil that and for

1801
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: later down the track.

1802
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 8: But here are you really saying though that you think

1803
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 8: that the country is totally on board with changing things

1804
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 8: up and making it harder for young people, but we

1805
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 8: shouldn't be able to touch what older people. Yes, that

1806
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 8: is wrong.

1807
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 20: That is absolutely wrong, and if that's the country that

1808
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 20: we live in, I'm really sad and worried for our future.

1809
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 2: No have you did you not learn to respect you elders?

1810
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 20: How don't we learn to respect my olders? But I

1811
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 20: also learned that respect has to be earned, not just given.

1812
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 20: And I think that even those who are over sixty

1813
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 20: five must recognize at this point that just getting paid

1814
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 20: money for every single over sixty five year old just

1815
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 20: by simply existing is not the best way to spend

1816
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 20: twenty three billion dollars, the largest single piece of spending

1817
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 20: outside of the healthcare system.

1818
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: Brad, I love your enthusiasm. Thank you for talking me

1819
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 2: through it. You've given me a lot to think about.

1820
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to go away and think about it, and

1821
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: I hope you'll think about some of the stuff, maybe

1822
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: some of the stuff I said to you. Brad Olson,

1823
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: principal economist at Infmetrics, twenty five past six.

1824
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1825
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather of Duplic Ellen and Mars

1826
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future Newstalgs

1827
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: that'd be.

1828
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: Paul Bloxham of HSBC will be with us after the news.

1829
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: Hither one win for Brad. Hither, I love it. Two

1830
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: trains of thought, more of it. Hither that's a ten

1831
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 2: to nine round to bread. Heither, I'm four months away

1832
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 2: from getting the pension. I agree with everything that Brad said. Heather,

1833
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,560
Speaker 2: he's on the ropes. Go Brad, but don't touch the

1834
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 2: super What what do you That was literally his entire argument.

1835
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 2: What are you talking about, Heather? Good on you rip

1836
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: that clown a new one bloody desk sitting idiot, Heather,

1837
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: did he just call you butt head?

1838
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1839
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: Probably, Heather. We are also paying over four hundred thousand

1840
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 2: people on the bloody doll Sort out that lot of

1841
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 2: bloodges first before interfering with New Zealand super payments.

1842
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 8: Do you know what I agree with?

1843
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: Do you know what so I said to chat GPT.

1844
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: He said, how many beneficiaries are there in New Zealand currently?

1845
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: AI says three hundred and ninety eight thousand people, twelve

1846
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,480
Speaker 2: percent of the working age population.

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01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 20: Super.

1848
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: Listen, here's the problem. Super is the easy thing to cut,

1849
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: because then you don't have to cut all this other

1850
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: crack that's going on in this country as well. Cut

1851
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 2: the doll bludges, cut the free stuff for students that

1852
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: they don't need, cut the payments to babies for being babies,

1853
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: and come on, cut all of that stuff. And when

1854
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: you still don't have enough money, then we'll start talking

1855
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 2: about the pension headline sneakin new.

1856
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: Person over again, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1857
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: It's Heather, due for Sea Ellen with the business hour

1858
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your

1859
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: future news talks.

1860
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 4: That'd be.

1861
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 24: O, ma, won't you fabnam.

1862
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 2: Let's start, got to tell you what happened in Nadawaihi.

1863
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 2: I almost forgot with the gang at you remember the

1864
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: Sandwich Gang. I'll give you a little update on that shortly.

1865
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: It's twenty through old. By the way, Heather Brad's convinced

1866
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: me that the pensionage should go back to sixty cut

1867
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 2: the fifteen billion dollar borrowed for tax cuts. So that

1868
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 2: backfired on him, didn't it. Twenty three away from seven now,

1869
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: all eyes are on the Reserve Bank tomorrow afternoon, when

1870
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 2: the Acting Reserve Bank Governor, Christian Hawksby will announce any

1871
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 2: changes to the OCR and then talk to media for

1872
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: the first time as the governor. Paul Bloxham is HSPECIES

1873
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: chief economist, Hey Paul good aim twenty five basis point cut.

1874
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 5: I think that's likely. That's certainly what we think's gonna arrive,

1875
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 5: and that's the consensus obviously in the market as well.

1876
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 5: I mean, there's always a possibility it doesn't, but I

1877
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 5: think that the way the economy is still quite sluggish

1878
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 5: and growth is still weak enough that the RBNZ is

1879
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 5: likely to be focused on that weaker growth story, and

1880
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 5: inflation is low enough at least on the last print

1881
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 5: to allow them to be able to ease a bit further.

1882
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 5: But the key question is going to be what they

1883
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 5: have to say about what's coming after that. I think

1884
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 5: that's where you can have a much sort of more

1885
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 5: vivid debate about what's next.

1886
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: Why not cup fifty basis points?

1887
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 5: Well, I think the RBNZ has done a lot of

1888
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 5: easing already, is the answer. They've already cut their cash

1889
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 5: right by two hundred basis points over a pretty small

1890
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 5: amount of time if you think about it. I mean,

1891
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 5: the first cut came in August of last year. We're

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01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 5: sitting here in May of this year. I mean, I

1893
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 5: think so that's one reason there's a lot of easing

1894
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 5: that's already been put in place. I think the second

1895
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 5: one is that you are seeing some signs that it's

1896
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 5: starting to get a bit of traction. You know, the

1897
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 5: retail numbers last week, we're a bit on the stronger

1898
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 5: side for the first quarter. You're seeing some signs of

1899
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 5: stability in the housing market, a turnaround in some of

1900
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 5: the sentiment indicators in the business sector. And we know

1901
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 5: monetary policy operates with legs. You cut interest rates, it

1902
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 5: takes time for it to feed through. So you've put

1903
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 5: a lot of stimulus into the economy, you're seeing some

1904
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 5: signs it's getting some traction. I think there's probably enough

1905
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 5: evidence that you might want to ease just a bit further.

1906
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 5: But that's where it's going to start to become a

1907
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 5: question as to how much more beyond that needs to

1908
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 5: be done to get the economy to turn around and

1909
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 5: to still keep inflation consistent with target.

1910
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: So the thing is, Paul, I mean, everybody agrees that

1911
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: we're sitting above neutral at the moment, right that is

1912
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: still that OCR at that level is still strangling to

1913
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: some extent. Given how bad the economy is, surely you

1914
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 2: should actually be a neutral, if not below and providing

1915
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: some stimulus.

1916
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 4: So why not?

1917
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 5: Well, I think two things. One is an estimate. We

1918
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 5: don't actually know where neutral lives. We don't know, you know,

1919
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 5: it's always an estimated concept. And there are large Arabans

1920
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 5: around where that neutral estimate lies as well. And you know,

1921
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 5: so I think for the moment, it pays the Arbenz

1922
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 5: to be a little bit more cautious in terms of

1923
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 5: the pace at which they deliver rate cuts. We've already

1924
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 5: seen them pivot out of the fifty basis point moves

1925
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 5: they were doing to the last time they moved to

1926
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 5: a twenty five basis point move, and I think you're

1927
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 5: seeing signs that the domestic economy stabilizing. One other remark

1928
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 5: would be you have seen in their most recent reading

1929
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 5: of inflation expectations. So they do their own They've got

1930
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 5: a survey that looks at what consumers think inflation will

1931
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 5: do going forward, a bit of a lift. It's picked

1932
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 5: up a little bit, So that might be something that

1933
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 5: the Arbans that will just want to keep a bit

1934
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 5: of an eye on that inflation does remain on target

1935
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 5: and well embedded and anchored at the middle point of

1936
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Speaker 5: their target band.

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Speaker 2: Paul, it's good to talk to you. I appreciate your

1938
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Speaker 2: time and enjoy tomorrow. It's Paul blockham Ah Species Chief

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Speaker 2: Economists is twenty away. Do you remember that gang that

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Speaker 2: provided sandwiches for the kids in Ghardawah here? I remember

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Speaker 2: that that was maybe like I want to say, ten

1942
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Speaker 2: years ago, that about twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen or thereabouts,

1943
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Speaker 2: when everybody was John Key was still in power and

1944
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 2: everybody was still talking about child poverty and it was

1945
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Speaker 2: the big thing blah blah blah. And in Gadawahire there

1946
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Speaker 2: was this gang called the Tribal Huck and they were

1947
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Speaker 2: awesome people, like really really cool people because even though

1948
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Speaker 2: they were a gang, I mean, never mind that, but

1949
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Speaker 2: they because they were feeding the sandwiches to the kids

1950
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Speaker 2: and they were like feeding like a thousand kids or something.

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Speaker 2: Really good people and also declared a war on peace.

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Speaker 2: Said that's it pea dealers. Yet, you got twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours and you're out of town and if you don't

1954
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Speaker 2: get out, we're gonna kick you out. And we were

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Speaker 2: like just look at them, how cool are they? Well,

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Speaker 2: one of them has just been sentenced for having pea himself,

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Speaker 2: isn't he Of course he has. He had it for

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Speaker 2: possession for himself and supply for other people. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: remember how they were like all the dealers need to

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Speaker 2: get out of town. He was a dealer. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: his name is anou Tukere. He's twenty nine. He was

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Speaker 2: in the Hamilton District Court yesterday on a charge of

1963
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Speaker 2: possession of methem fetamine for supply. What happened is it's

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Speaker 2: New Year's Day and it's like two forty five ash

1965
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Speaker 2: or something, it's just before three o'clock in the afternoon,

1966
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Speaker 2: and this black Holden Captiva is going a little too

1967
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Speaker 2: fast on Great South Thrown. They're past Topiti, you know,

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Speaker 2: past the little hill. He's driving faster than the posted

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Speaker 2: speed limits. So the police pull them over and there's

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Speaker 2: old mate two kit. He's sitting in the front seat,

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Speaker 2: isn't he But he's not driving his past. His partner's

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Speaker 2: driving sheee. I'm assuming she's the one that's driving too fast.

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Speaker 2: And the cops go, let me just have a look

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Speaker 2: inside this gloff box, if you don't mind, And they

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Speaker 2: open it up and oh, look there's a little black

1976
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Speaker 2: lead the bag. And they're looking inside the black lead

1977
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Speaker 2: the bag and ooh, there's a little clear plastic container

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Speaker 2: with a yellow lid, and it's got some crystals in it,

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Speaker 2: and it's methem fetter Meine and it's two ziploc bags.

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Speaker 2: Also they're containing the same it's about eighty unused small

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Speaker 2: plastic zip block point bags. Now, the only reason you've

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Speaker 2: got eighty small ziploc point bags is gonna put all

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Speaker 2: the p in that and then sell it to other people,

1984
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Speaker 2: aren't you? Three three and a half thousand dollars in cash,

1985
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Speaker 2: some electronic scale. Hey, that's not for weighing yourself on,

1986
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Speaker 2: it's for weighing the methamphetamine and two one hundred graand

1987
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Speaker 2: metal weights. The total weight of all of the metham

1988
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Speaker 2: fetamine was thirty six grams. He tells the cops. He's

1989
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Speaker 2: just fess right up. He says, yep, I bought about

1990
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Speaker 2: fourteen grams of meth on Facebook marketplace, and he was

1991
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Speaker 2: selling it to make money fast because he had kids.

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Speaker 2: So the judge said, look, I'm going to sentence you

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Speaker 2: on this. First of all the judges like, oh here,

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Speaker 2: you guys were telling everybody that you were running the

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Speaker 2: p dealers out of time. Isn't it ironic? Well, isn't

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Speaker 2: it just anyway? So Judge Cocarello takes a starting point

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Speaker 2: of three years in jail, but because I said, he's sorry,

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Speaker 2: really quickly, he gets twenty five percent knocked off, and

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Speaker 2: then his efforts towards rehab warrant a further ten percent off.

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Speaker 2: That takes him, how convenient twenty three months jail term. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but if you

2002
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Speaker 2: if your sentence is less than twenty four months in

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Speaker 2: jail it can be converted to home D. Isn't that

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Speaker 2: amazing The judge landed at twenty three months. Isn't that

2005
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Speaker 2: incredible that it landed there at twenty three months and

2006
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Speaker 2: he converted it to ten months of home D because

2007
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Speaker 2: that's what happens nowadays. So anyway, what have we learned

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Speaker 2: from this lesson? Number one? Judges are soft? Number two,

2009
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Speaker 2: when the gang members tell you that they are awesome

2010
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Speaker 2: people and they're feeding the kids and they're running the

2011
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Speaker 2: p dealers out of town. Just remember, Leopards don't change

2012
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Speaker 2: their spots, do they. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all

2014
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Las

2015
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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth to protect your future.

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Speaker 4: You talk sent me.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from seven now. Of course, Indo Brady is

2018
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Speaker 2: not with us this evening. He's running a crazy event

2019
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Speaker 2: in South America, like he was telling us last week.

2020
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Speaker 2: So while he's doing that, we've got Elizabeth Callahan with

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Speaker 2: us from the with the latest from the UK. Elizabeth, Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me, Thank you so much. What's

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Speaker 2: the latest with us? This car ramming in Paul.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, this is a truly horrific incident that's taken place

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Speaker 24: yesterday evening. So dozens have been injured after a car

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Speaker 24: plowed into pedestrians during Liverpool's victory parade. Really truly horrific.

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Speaker 24: So people were out what should have been a joyous

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Speaker 24: celebration of Liverpool winning the Premier League has turned into

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Speaker 24: chaotic scenes. So nearly fifty people have been injured, among

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Speaker 24: those four children. So one child is in a serious

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Speaker 24: condition in hospital along with one other who is also

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Speaker 24: seriously injured. So police say they have arrested a fifty

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Speaker 24: three year old white British man from the Liverpool area.

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Speaker 24: But really, you know, there were tens of thousands of

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Speaker 24: people out on the streets of Liverpool and this car

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Speaker 24: appeared into this road. Witnesses say there was a confrontation

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Speaker 24: with the driver, people banging on the windows of the car,

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Speaker 24: then accelerated into the crowd. People you know, diving out

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Speaker 24: of the way, trying to get their children at the way.

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Speaker 24: It was very much a family event, tens of thousands

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Speaker 24: of people out there. It was about holiday here in

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Speaker 24: the UK yesterday, so just people there in a party mood,

2043
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Speaker 24: a moment of jubilation, but really it has turned into

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Speaker 24: a truly horrific incident there. So yes, that's an ongoing

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Speaker 24: situation really that the Prime Minister says the scenes are appalling.

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Speaker 2: If it's not terrorism related, then what has gone on here?

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Speaker 2: What's is motivation? Oh we don't know.

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Speaker 24: I mean the police are being very tight lipped that

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Speaker 24: what they don't want is there to be a spread

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Speaker 24: of misinformation and they're actually urging people with social media

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Speaker 24: footage to well not to share any video footage on

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Speaker 24: social media. That they have ruled out terrorism and were

2053
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Speaker 24: very clear that they wanted to say that it was

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Speaker 24: a British white man from the Liverpool area. So we

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Speaker 24: really don't know, I mean, how the car got into

2056
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Speaker 24: that packed street in the first place. There would have

2057
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Speaker 24: been tight cornered off roads. So there will be a

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Speaker 24: big investigation into how something like this has taken place.

2059
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Speaker 24: But indeed the emergency services were on the scene very quickly,

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Speaker 24: as there are at these big events. There were a

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Speaker 24: lot of police and emergency services there, so you know

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Speaker 24: they were on the scene very quickly.

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Speaker 4: Thanks all.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. Russia's obviously denied, as it would any involvement with

2065
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Speaker 2: the asin tex on Keirstamer's property, But I mean, am

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Speaker 2: I five treating this as seriously linked to Russia.

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Speaker 24: Well over the weekend there were reports in the UK

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Speaker 24: press that security officials were investigating the Kremlin's involvement in

2069
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Speaker 24: these arson attacks, which End probably would have told you about.

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Speaker 24: Earlier this month there was a vehicle fire in Kentish

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Speaker 24: Town and two properties in that either belong to the

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Speaker 24: PM or former homes. So the Kremlin spokesperson has said

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Speaker 24: that the claims are ludicrous and that London tends to

2074
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 24: suspect Russian involvement in all things bad things that are

2075
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Speaker 24: happening in Great Britain. But three Ukrainian born men have

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Speaker 24: been charged in relation to the attacks. They deny the charges,

2077
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Speaker 24: but it's who knows. In this kind of world that

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Speaker 24: we're living in. Certainly the police will be looking at

2079
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 24: all all kind of inquiries as to who could be

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Speaker 24: involved into these arsonal attacks on the comperties link to

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Speaker 24: p Stalman.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, thank you appreciate. Elizabeth Kellahan, UK correspondent TOES. You

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Speaker 2: think if the Russians behind it, they do a better

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Speaker 2: job than these guys did here. The police stop going

2085
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: on about working for families. I'm a single father of

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Speaker 2: three boys under five. I work forty hours a week

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Speaker 2: and after that I pay eight hundred and fifty two

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Speaker 2: dollars a week in childcare. My working for families really helps,

2089
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Speaker 2: or I could just go on the dole. I guess now, Michael, listen,

2090
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Speaker 2: this is a fair point, Okay, my problem when they

2091
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 2: rolled out when when it was so geez Helen, it

2092
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 2: was one of the worst. I love Helen. Helen was

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01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 2: a great prime minister, but this just was an abomination

2094
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 2: when Alan did it. At the time, she will have

2095
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 2: had advice along the lines of Helen. If you roll

2096
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 2: out welfare for middle class, which is for working families.

2097
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Speaker 2: If you roll out welfare for working families, all that's

2098
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 2: going to happen is that the employer is not going

2099
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 2: to have to raise their wages by as much. It's

2100
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Speaker 2: not going to put pressure on employers to raise wages.

2101
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 2: And sure enough, that is exactly what's happened. It's essentially

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Speaker 2: subsidizing your wage. So nowadays, of course Michael fair enough

2103
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: needs for the working for families in order to be

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01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: able to raise three children. The reason he needs it

2105
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: is because his employer doesn't have the imperative now to

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Speaker 2: pay him anymore. But if we unwound working for families slowly, slowly,

2107
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 2: slowly and said very explicitly to employers, you are going

2108
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 2: to have to step up here. You are going to

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Speaker 2: have to pay these people. The government cannot keep on

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Speaker 2: paying basically subsidizing your wage eventually. But I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: like it's obviously going to be that'll be tricky, tricky.

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Speaker 2: It's easier to put something in then it is to

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Speaker 2: unwined something going to be tricky as hell thing to do.

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Speaker 2: But somehow we have to do this because we cannot

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Speaker 2: beat Look as it, essentially, we cannot be subsidizing the

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Speaker 2: income of families so that their employers don't have to

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Speaker 2: That is what is going on here. So right now, Michael,

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Speaker 2: of course you need the money because that's the system

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Speaker 2: we've set up. But over time we need to figure

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Speaker 2: out how your boss can pay you instead of us

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Speaker 2: paying you. Eight away from seven, it's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather Too for seel and Drive Full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Heather Employers are happy to pay employees more, but government

2125
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 2: needs to come to the party by reducing the income

2126
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Speaker 2: company income taxes to offset it. Look, I don't hate that.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate that as an idea, because what's our

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Speaker 2: income tax rate become? Our company tax rate is twenty

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Speaker 2: eight percent, isn't it? And you know, if you want

2130
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Speaker 2: to be competing with the likes of Singapore and stuff,

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Speaker 2: they're on seventeen percent, Ireland's on fifteen sent by memory

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Speaker 2: or something like that. We're priced up there, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't hate this. Listen, I has l

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Speaker 2: Brown been listening to the show? Is that what's going on?

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Speaker 2: And he might well have been named Okay, Look, I

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Speaker 2: don't like this from al Brown.

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Speaker 1: El.

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Speaker 2: You remember the other day we were having a chat

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Speaker 2: about coffee and we said, in order of like decent

2140
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Speaker 2: cups of coffee, you're going to start with your espresso, right,

2141
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Speaker 2: your flat whites, your lattes, your mocaccino's, your cappuccinos, your machiato's, whatever,

2142
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Speaker 2: whatever whatever. That's at the top. Obviously at the bottom

2143
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 2: is your drip coffee. And you filter coffee right because

2144
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Speaker 2: that stuff is like if you can't get the paint

2145
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Speaker 2: off the concrete on your outside, you just put some

2146
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 2: of that on off it comes and in the middle

2147
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Speaker 2: its second place, surprisingly is a good cup of instant coffee. Right,

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Speaker 2: but remember at the bottom is the drip coffee and

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Speaker 2: the plunge of coffee. Because L Brown has come out

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Speaker 2: and said we need to get into the drip coffee.

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Speaker 2: He said espresso's too expensive. He was like, if you're

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Speaker 2: paying seven dollars a cup of better be good. I

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Speaker 2: agree with him on that. It's very often I pay

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Speaker 2: that for a cup and it's a crappy cup, and

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Speaker 2: I'd just rather have it at home, rather have my

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Speaker 2: little instant at home. He says he's selling three dollar

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Speaker 2: fifty cups of bottomless drip coffee and reckons it's not bad.

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Speaker 2: And he reckons the modern product is not the crappy

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Speaker 2: stuff that we remember from American hotel rooms. Now, I

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Speaker 2: think what I need to do is go to our

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Speaker 2: ale needs to invite me around, and I need to

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Speaker 2: come to his house or his joint, you know, his outfit,

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Speaker 2: because he does sell cups of coffee. I'll come and

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Speaker 2: try it and then we'll make a judgment call on that.

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Speaker 2: He reckons it gets you as high, that's his words,

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Speaker 2: as high as an espresso as.

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Speaker 25: Bone Thanks in harmony, Thugush Shruggish Bone to play us

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Speaker 25: out tonight. Bone thanks to Harmony is going to be

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Speaker 25: Are there going to be performing in Auckland here in

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Speaker 25: October twenty?

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Speaker 2: Is that the nineties band that's reuniting.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well this is the thing.

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Speaker 25: It's going to be all five of them apparently, Busy Bone,

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Speaker 25: Flesh and Bone, Crazy Bone, Wishbone and Lazy Bone. They

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Speaker 25: all got back together earlier this year after a fifteen

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Speaker 25: year separation, so they've definitely been to New Zealand before,

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Speaker 25: but I don't know whether all five of them would

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Speaker 25: certainly not have been here for a very long time.

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Speaker 25: So yeah, tickets will be going on on sale on

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Speaker 25: June the fifty playing in Wellington. I know they're an

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Speaker 25: awkward there. It's sparking.

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Speaker 2: Playing in Wellington. Can you get into this?

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Speaker 8: Believe it or not?

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Speaker 25: Even when I was into hip hop, I never really

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Speaker 25: got into both things in harmony, But I don't know why.

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Speaker 8: They're really skilled.

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Speaker 25: They can rap really really fast and have amazing flow.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they go to this actually might have to

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Speaker 2: schedule listen. Thank you for that and appreciate that. Enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow.

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