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Speaker 2: Okay, we're recording, God, the teams, Yeah, whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 3: You were just sitting around the thumbs of her ass

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Speaker 1: Hillary Berry's mate to text as rockstar.

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Speaker 2: Friends speaking about.

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Speaker 1: Number four.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Jerry, good to go, mate. You've that's how you

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Speaker 4: organize something. That's how it's just no fuss at all.

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Speaker 1: The first time it's used to potty's making.

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Speaker 4: A meat, there's no fuss. Well, what happened the last

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Speaker 4: time you tried to organize something's got the wrong? Bloody time?

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster.

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Speaker 4: Every time.

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Speaker 1: You man has to know his limitations might.

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Speaker 2: So just cranking us up.

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Speaker 5: God, let's get busy, Get busy.

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Speaker 3: It's the twenty ninth and the eighth and the year

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Speaker 3: of our Lord, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Worth more. You bespoke, You donkies to the Daily Bespoke podcast.

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Speaker 4: You should be ashamed of yourself. We've got Ricky Morris

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Speaker 4: on the podcast this morning, so interview that I've organized,

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Speaker 4: no thanks to you, and I've organized that. What's absolutely

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Speaker 4: And he's on his way in and it's gonna it's

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Speaker 4: that's what you could bring.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna try and sing Let's get busy in

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Speaker 3: a simulation. Okay, because I rewatched the movie The Devil

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Speaker 1: It for our movie.

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Speaker 3: And and then I played the song and I turned

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Speaker 3: And then I find out from Ruder that Jeremy's organizing it,

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Speaker 3: make it along of Jeremy is organizing. He couldn't bloody

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Speaker 3: organize a beer in a whorehouse. It's not that's not

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Speaker 3: the same a beer and a beer, or a bear

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Speaker 4: Would be in a whorehouse. I would rather not organize

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Speaker 4: It's a pass up in a brewery.

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Speaker 3: Mate, you can organize a piss up in a whoy

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Speaker 4: I've got so many questions to ask Rerecky Morris.

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Speaker 4: I've got more questions to ask him, have you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love the name zumping the Seven Sharp story.

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Speaker 1: I love the name Ricky Ricky.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's one of the questions I've got for Ricky.

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Speaker 4: It's such Why did you decide to spell ricky r?

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Speaker 4: I K K I.

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Speaker 4: She's spelled r I k K I is she thinks.

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Speaker 1: You can always go on Ricky Lake. Excuse me, you can?

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Speaker 1: I put the suite system please you.

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Speaker 4: Not an easy song to say if you're a guy,

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Speaker 2: Well here was My follow up question is maybe we

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Speaker 3: It's Paul McCartney esk and how cleverly the tune works

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ask him the question, have you a

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Speaker 1: Matey?

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Speaker 11: That's a good yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is there a key change in the song. It sounds

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Speaker 2: Well, we could have done maybe better.

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Speaker 1: I was just teaching my song about my son about

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Speaker 4: Here we go where the clickings coming in. This is

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Speaker 8: Here we go, Here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 4: This is the breakdown.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever keecht? That's a great question. Did you

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Speaker 4: Don't call him Dick, Richard, don't call him.

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Speaker 2: You see why people are still spending the big bucks

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Speaker 1: Should we sold it for very little?

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Speaker 3: You would be surprised how little we'll see it. Be

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Speaker 3: surprisy how little we played paid. Rocky Morris for that

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Speaker 2: Really did he?

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Speaker 4: Just did you?

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Speaker 2: When you want to get a film like a song

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Speaker 3: And I said, mate, well I'm paying everyone else a

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Speaker 4: Richard Morris, Richard Morris, Vicky what do you want to

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Speaker 4: And here he is. Welcome, Mesh.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure whether we've talked on the phone work Ricky.

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Speaker 4: This is something we do on the Met and Jury podcast.

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Speaker 4: We just we are right, we are rolling and look.

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Speaker 4: I don't know absolutely, I don't know if you've ever

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Speaker 8: Have I've literally just parked my car and got a coffee.

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Speaker 4: Ye, how's the Northwestern.

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Speaker 8: Shocking this morning? Actually, you know what, it's getting off

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Speaker 8: the motorway that's really hard. As soon as you hit

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, Ricky, people who are listening to the podcast, they'll

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Speaker 4: You'll tell you what I liked it. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 8: FA Cup final. He was such a dick. Oh wow,

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Speaker 3: You know, he's singing such beautiful songs you can still

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Speaker 1: He was he was. He was in and about and

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Speaker 8: Yep? He was on Shazam? Isn't it Really? It's unfortunate

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Speaker 8: I don't think they had a I don't think we

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Speaker 4: Show long time when Robbie Rakat was on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, became a straw person, Yes he did.

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Speaker 8: And now he's one of the top videographers and photographers

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Ricky hello.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of deep booming voices, we were talking about that.

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Speaker 3: You've got you can sing quite high.

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Speaker 4: You can sing very high.

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Speaker 8: I can sing very high.

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Speaker 4: You can sing very high, and nobody else is a

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Speaker 4: And so when you say balls dropped at that stage.

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Speaker 8: Only just I was twenty eight twenty seven when I

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Speaker 8: Yeah, oh fucking great. Yeah I'm late. So anyway, I

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Speaker 8: was living in a little beds at the back of

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00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 8: a friend's house and I got home at two o'clock

452
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 8: and I was paranoid that I was going to forget

453
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 8: all these words. So I went into my little bedsit

454
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 8: and got the mic and it was very bus two

455
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 8: in the morning, so I just sang it really quietly

456
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 8: there's nobody, and I listened to it back the next morning,

457
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 8: I thought, shit, that's a great effect singing it really

458
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 8: quietly like the Beg's And I never thought I was

459
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 8: going to sing it like that, and I kind of

460
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 8: redid the vocals like that, and yeah, and it kind

461
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 8: of had its own little character or something to it. Yeah.

462
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 8: But when Ian and my brother Ian and I recorded it,

463
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 8: we actually slowed it down and I recorded it, and

464
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 8: then we sped it up to normal speed, which was

465
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 8: a very beatlesy things to do thing to do, and

466
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 8: it made that kind of chip monkey kind of.

467
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: I was just saying it came along that it's got

468
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 3: Paul McCartney esque.

469
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 8: It's an effect.

470
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But we were filling around and we lowered it, didn't.

471
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: We Yeah, I think we did.

472
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 8: We lowered it awesome.

473
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 4: It sounds like low.

474
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 8: That's probably the key that it was recorded of, so

475
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 8: it was recorded in the key of G, but on

476
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 8: the record it's just under A. So we sped it

477
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 8: up that much. For people who are musicians or who

478
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 8: understand music, that's quite a lot.

479
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: Speaking of which we were just discussing before he came in,

480
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: whether you contemplated, you know, changing key in the for

481
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: the final blast of the chorus.

482
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 8: Nah, I wanted to do a key change and go

483
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 8: even higher. Yeah, I think you mean take it down

484
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 8: a bit. It's too high to say, you know, we

485
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 8: we did think about that coming out of the drum fill. Yeah,

486
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 8: but no, that's we've thrown every cliche this already. We

487
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 8: can't do a key change.

488
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: Ricky, if you don't mind me showing you this ruder

489
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: in studio B is quite a quite a good music

490
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: and he actually he's locked up. But it would have

491
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: sounded like the end of your song with a key chain.

492
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: So this is what it might have sounded like. So

493
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: this is coming out of the breakdown.

494
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 9: I guess yeah, wait for it.

495
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have done it, mate, Oh goodrda all the

496
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: people like me. He was struggling to reach.

497
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 5: The note already.

498
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 4: It would have been like, oh damn, oh.

499
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: My god, we should have done it.

500
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 8: It would have been a hit around the world. Oh mate,

501
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 8: I love it.

502
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 4: It's funny because I was telling to you about the

503
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: song and it's in a lot of places. Great song

504
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: still sounds fantastic. It's aged particularly well well. And you

505
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: were telling me that because I said, do you ever

506
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: hear it in supermarkets? And stuff, bugger, I should have

507
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 4: maybe done that. So I should have done that and

508
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 4: you said no, No, I'm very happy with.

509
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 8: It now we play you damn, damn, damn damn. Maybe

510
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 8: I'll rerecord it. I did re record it a few

511
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 8: years ago with a Nika and with a Nick Moore

512
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 8: and yeah, we did it for her show, and I

513
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 8: released it last year because it was like the thirty

514
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 8: fifth anniversary of going to number one. So I did

515
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 8: a thirty fifth anniversary version of it, which was just

516
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 8: a live take with my band and Anika sing bvs.

517
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 8: Which was amazing. Yeah, so cool.

518
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm always interested in the relationship that people have with

519
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 4: songs like that, like the songwriters, because they birth out

520
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: of you somehow in this weird way. I've never written song,

521
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't know how, but I imagine they birth

522
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: out of you and then you give them to the world.

523
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: They go into other people's heads. That song's in my head.

524
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: I know the entire song, I know all the lyrics.

525
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 4: I'm walking around with it in my head all the time. Yeah,

526
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: it's kind of weird.

527
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 8: It is weird.

528
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: Does the relationship change over time, like I like your

529
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 4: relationship with your children sort of changes or is it

530
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: exactly the same.

531
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 8: I don't know. It's a weird one because I still

532
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 8: love it as much as I did then, So.

533
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 4: Thank God for that. Must be happy about that.

534
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I do believe I've written better songs. But

535
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 8: it was, it was, you know, it was just a

536
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 8: moment in time all the I remember Neil Finn saying

537
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 8: once that when a when a song becomes a hit,

538
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 8: it's like it's like when you are picking a you're

539
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 8: picking the lock on a safe. It's like you all

540
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 8: the you know, all the little clickers line up, all

541
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 8: the planets line up, and it's like and it's really

542
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 8: it's like a snowball. It's really hard to stop it

543
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 8: once it starts. And for some reason, all the planets

544
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 8: lined up at that particular moment in time, and it

545
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 8: was Yeah, it was just I knew it was going

546
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 8: to be a hit though, right, I knew for ten

547
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 8: years that it was going to be a hit, right,

548
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 8: because I wished it into I did. And I'm not

549
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 8: a spiritual well I kind of A'm not really. I'm

550
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 8: a lapse Catholic, but I do believe in the power

551
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 8: of you know, positive thought. I'm not I'm not kind

552
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 8: of mad about it, But at that time in my life,

553
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 8: I knew I was going to write a number one single.

554
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 11: Wow.

555
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 8: And every night before I went to sleep, I just

556
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 8: I just saw it, you know.

557
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: Wow.

558
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 8: I just saw it every night for ten years. And

559
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 8: I do believe. And John Lennon said this, You've got

560
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 8: to be careful what you wish for. Yeah, it's and

561
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 8: it's not. Yeah, I believe. And I wish I could.

562
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 8: I wish I could remember how to do that. I'm

563
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 8: kind of forgotten now.

564
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

565
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting that when you say about how

566
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: things fall into place with a song, because that song

567
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: is like the production on it is so clear and

568
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: it's it's out and forward like so all the those

569
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: things have to fall into place as well. Just have

570
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: such a distinctive production that we were so clear and

571
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: forward and the speakers and the vocals back.

572
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 8: I can't I can't speak highly enough of my late

573
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 8: brother as a producer. I think he was a world

574
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 8: class producer and an amazing engineer. More than anything is.

575
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 8: He had ears and he knew, he knew what it

576
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 8: was amazing. We had this telepathic thing where I'd be

577
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 8: sitting on the couch and He'd be tweaking some stuff

578
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 8: and listening to you know, the certain instruments whatever, and

579
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 8: I'd just be thinking that doesn't quite work, and he'd

580
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 8: turn around about two minutes later and go, I don't

581
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 8: think that works, does it? You know? So we had

582
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 8: this amazing kind of chemistry in the studio which which

583
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 8: I miss And yeah, I think he just he was

584
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 8: the one who brought that song to life. He's the

585
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 8: one who recognized that. I didn't really know it was

586
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 8: going to be a hit when I wrote it because

587
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 8: it was a country song. But he saw something in it,

588
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 8: and he worked really hard at getting it. Sounds amazing,

589
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 8: getting those sounds together. It was just me and him.

590
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 8: There was no one else else. There was nobody else.

591
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 8: There was nobody else in the studio, nobody else, but

592
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 8: nobody else.

593
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: A lot of people asked this question, I'm sure of

594
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: you because it was there. What has there been anybody

595
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: else since? Nobody else? Because clearly that's written about somebody

596
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 4: that you were. You were either trying to woo or

597
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: you'd maybe done something that you shouldn't have done, and

598
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: you were trying to make sure that you were trying

599
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: to get away a bit of your own guilt.

600
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 8: It is. It is a yeah, something like that. I

601
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 8: am a Catholic after all. Survival.

602
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: That's interesting you said that I thought that there was

603
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: a breakup song when I originally heard that.

604
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 8: No, it wasn't. It was I had a fight with

605
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 8: my girlfriend at the time, Rebecca her name was, and

606
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 8: we'd been going out for a couple of years or

607
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 8: maybe a year or so, and we had a big

608
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 8: fight and she left and I was like, holy shit,

609
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 8: I'm in trouble. Oh and she was feisty, and I

610
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 8: thought I'll write her a song. So that's kind of

611
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 8: where it came from. And I played it to her

612
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 8: and it was like, oh, that's a beautiful thing. And

613
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 8: she came back here for a little while until I

614
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 8: met my first wife.

615
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: My life an interesting song for me.

616
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: I was just saying before, because I sometimes believe we

617
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: live in a simulation because I made a film in

618
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: about two thousand and six or seven, and there was

619
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: a scene when the edits and Sweet, and I was like, boy,

620
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: we need that song.

621
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Nobody else.

622
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: Oh wow, And then I remember the other guys making

623
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: the film with and he goes, you can't just get

624
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: songs like that, can you? And then and then we

625
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: got that song. So what was the first called the

626
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: Devil Dead me too.

627
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 8: I remember that, I remember the I remember the check.

628
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: There's a guy, a guy whose girlfriend gets a leg

629
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: decapitated when she was little. And then they run into

630
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: each other again and he's been pining for her for

631
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: the longest time. And then he turns around and he's

632
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: working on a stunt site. And then it pans up

633
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: and and from the from the league that's been you

634
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: didn't know who.

635
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: Was amputated, pans up and just has to go. I'll

636
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: see I'll send you a little bit of it.

637
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: I'll see you the clip please, And we were like,

638
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: it's got to be that song well and then and

639
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: then and I'd never licensed songs before, so I was

640
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: trying to work out to ring Mushroom in Australia or

641
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: something like that.

642
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 8: Mushroom owned my publishing at that they don't anymore.

643
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: And they were like they didn't care because they were Australian.

644
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: So you ring them, we go you want for a

645
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: New Zealand film, it's and New Zealand song and they

646
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: just you couldn't find anyone to talk.

647
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 8: To about it because they dropped me so that they

648
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 8: still had my publishing and he took my publishing money. Unbelie.

649
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 8: That's a story for the book. Yeah yeah.

650
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: So what about tell us about the new album about time?

651
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 8: Well, it's about time. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's twenty

652
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 8: eight years since I did an album.

653
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: So it is definitely about time.

654
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: Which is so you're twenty eight when then when you.

655
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 8: Know, twenty eight when nobody else came out? Yeah, And

656
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 8: then I did an album in the mid nineties, so

657
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 8: I was in my thirties then now I'm sixty four.

658
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: Jeez, you're looking good.

659
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, saying.

660
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 8: Sixty four a couple of weeks ago on August the twelve.

661
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: That's your skin care regime.

662
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 8: No drugs and no alcohol, brilliant. That's my skin key.

663
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: It's freaking working eighteen.

664
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 8: Years and I believe that that is the that is

665
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 8: the key to eternal youth.

666
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: Okay that and potentially did you grow up in the UK? Well,

667
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: you spend some years in the UK.

668
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 8: I was born there and we immigrated in nineteen sixty six.

669
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 8: And I was just a nipper. Okay, you were just

670
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 8: a nipper. I do I do I have sorry to interrupt,

671
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 8: I have Dalmatian blood in me. I have Croatian blood

672
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 8: and Teas blood and Moldea on my mom's side.

673
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: A very good looking people.

674
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: The crash and it's a very fiery on the football field.

675
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's where my love of football. My

676
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 8: dad was a Jeordie. He was Wow. He was from

677
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 8: Stockton on Teas in the Northeast.

678
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: So it must be interesting, like we're turning sixty four

679
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: as a Beatles fan, because you'll go your whole life,

680
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: you've been thinking about when I'm sixty four, and then

681
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: you're sixty four and you go, I'm sixty four.

682
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 8: I went to Ballei and I was in Balley for

683
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 8: my birthday and I was working over there and I

684
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 8: sang that song of course your dad, and yeah, I thought, yay,

685
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 8: I'm going to sing this song on my birthday, and

686
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 8: it was you know, it's cool. It's a shit song

687
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 8: though it is. Actually it's really it's one of those

688
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 8: it's one of the ones that John.

689
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: Called them, John Lennam call them. Pau McCartney's Granny song.

690
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that when he said that, to break it,

691
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: So glad.

692
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 8: All the granny songs he wrote, some shockers. He wrote

693
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 8: some good ones too, very controversial.

694
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 4: Very good songs. So you're touring as well.

695
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 8: Sorry, back to the album. So anyway, twenty eight years

696
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 8: and every year since I released this album in ninety

697
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 8: ninety six or whenever it was, I thought, I'm going

698
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 8: to do an album. I'm going to do another album.

699
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 8: I'm going to do it. But life kind of got

700
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 8: in the way and I had to make a living,

701
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 8: you know, I had children, Yeah, and I had other

702
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 8: kind of things going on in my life and a

703
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 8: marriage breakup and all that sort of shit, and it

704
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 8: just yeah, I just kind of kept putting it off

705
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 8: and putting it off. And to be honest, you know,

706
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 8: I don't have a lot of I guess there's also

707
00:34:53,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 8: that severe lack of self worth and good og Catholic stuff,

708
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 8: you know that I'm not good enough to do that,

709
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 8: and I'm too old to do that. Every excuse under

710
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 8: the site you to give to that stuff if you

711
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 8: can know. Yeah, But then in twenty eighteen, I did

712
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 8: a gig at the Mount Eden Village series and I

713
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 8: sold it out and I was like, which was about

714
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 8: one hundred and thirty people, it's certainly not Oasis, And

715
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 8: I thought, and I got my band together and we

716
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 8: played all these songs and a few new ones, and

717
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 8: I thought, hmm, I'm going to tell anyway. A couple

718
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 8: of months later we were we started recording at the

719
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 8: Lab and then long and again and then Lockdown, and

720
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 8: then we got into COVID, and COVID actually helped because

721
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 8: it gave me the.

722
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Were you working with Oli at the lab?

723
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 8: Yeah?

724
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Great news.

725
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's amazing and yeah, and then I just it

726
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 8: was going to be an EP, and then I just

727
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 8: thought I might as well just keep going. So it

728
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 8: comes out tomorrow, August the thirtieth, and I can't believe.

729
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: I can't believe it's digitally and vinyally.

730
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

731
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, pick up the vinyl tomorrow awesome. Yeah, yeah yeah,

732
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 8: And I'm doing some shows. I'm doing a show tomorrow

733
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 8: night at the Tuning at the Tuning Fork, thirtieth at

734
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 8: the Tuning Fork.

735
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: And then I can go through them if you want.

736
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: Saturday, thirty first of August YEP at Room twenties and

737
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 3: Nelson and then yeah, Sunday the first.

738
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm and Dneed and Christ. Then on Sunday the first, Yeah.

739
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 8: We're out at the Shelter, which is out in Lincoln

740
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 8: probably so cool. And Jed Parsons parents play out there. Wow,

741
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 8: it's cool, it's really cool. And then the Jam Factory

742
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 8: in Totong. We're not doing Hamilton by the way.

743
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: Not doing Hamilton. I won't read that one out. And

744
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: then New Plummouth at the Fourth War Theater.

745
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 8: Yeah. So it's a little short run. Yeah, not so

746
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 8: much gigs, but little celebrations. I just thought, if I'm

747
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 8: going to release an album, I don't want to just

748
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 8: release an album and you know, I don't know. I

749
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 8: just thought I might as well do some shows to

750
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 8: one hundred people if they want to turn out.

751
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: Also, you've been you've been playing with the dudes? Yeah,

752
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: and so did you do a show last.

753
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 8: Weekend on Saturday night? A sold out show? People say

754
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 8: we've sold out. We sold out. We sold out the

755
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 8: power Station on last Saturday night and it was amazing.

756
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 8: It was the best dude's crowd I have ever seen.

757
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 8: And you know, I've seen probably close to two hundred

758
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 8: dude shows.

759
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 9: Yeah.

760
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 8: Well, in my time, we were Roady, Yeah, Roady and

761
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 8: your brother's band yep. I was back in the day,

762
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 8: So you have seen them a lot over the years,

763
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 8: and this crowd on Saturday night. Man, they were up

764
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 8: for it and they were happy. They were just so

765
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 8: happy and coshurious, and you know we were a little bit,

766
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 8: you know, because Dave's Dave Dobbin's not in the band anymore.

767
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 8: With that that has you know, he made it that

768
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 8: very clear that he didn't want to do anymore at

769
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 8: the end of the last tour in twenty twenty and

770
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 8: but over the year, over the four years since we

771
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 8: last played, we've all been the rest of us have

772
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 8: just been going. We want to keep going. So Dave

773
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 8: with you know and Lorraine as manager, have given us

774
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 8: their blessing to carry on. Yeah, which is cool. And

775
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 8: you know, Dave's got his own thing, you know, he never,

776
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 8: he never, you know, the dudes is old time for him.

777
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 8: You know, he doesn't need the.

778
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: Dudes, although he plays dude songs when he plays does

779
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: recently he would have done Bliss and he did Bliss

780
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: and be Mine tonight.

781
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course he has to do those. But so

782
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 8: we've got we've got Bred Adams to come in and

783
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 8: play guitar with us, and it's a totally different vibe

784
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 8: as it would be without Dave. But it seems to worked.

785
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 8: It worked really well, and we're hoping to do more shows. Yeah,

786
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 8: I think maybe some festively kind of things we're looking

787
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 8: at over summer. So cool something has just been announced

788
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 8: and the younger or funger maitar I can't remember which

789
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 8: way kick down one of those selling.

790
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: Out a gig though, and then looking at and then

791
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: having a whole bunch of happy people singing back to

792
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: you must give you a great energy that must fill

793
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 4: you up.

794
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 8: Well, you know, for me personally, playing in my favorite

795
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 8: band of all time is and seeing all those people

796
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 8: having fun and singing all those songs, and it's just

797
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 8: it's kind of the.

798
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: Worldly, spiritual experience.

799
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 8: It's like playing in the Beatles or something. You know,

800
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 8: It's like, but the Dudes are my favorite apart from

801
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 8: the Beatles. Maybe the Dudes are my favorite band of

802
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 8: all time. So to be asked to join the band

803
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 8: is like, it's it's mind blowing for me.

804
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: So you have always been a big fan of pop music, Yeah,

805
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: and you must be super excited about what the world

806
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 4: of pop music's offering up at the moment, because it's

807
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: it's kind of the most interesting part of music, like

808
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: in terms of production and experimental and all sorts of stuff.

809
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's certainly a lot of stuff out there.

810
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 8: There's a lot of stuff that I don't particularly like.

811
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 8: A lot of it I find quite seey. But there's

812
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: little there's little what do you call rose buds that

813
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 8: poke up now and again. My favorite band at the

814
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 8: moment is a band called the Lemon Twigs who are

815
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 8: from Brooklyn. Has two brothers, the Dadariol brothers, Brian and Machael,

816
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 8: and they are like a cross between the Beach Boys,

817
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 8: the Beatles, the Raspberries, Gilbert O'Sullivan and you know, I

818
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 8: like they're incredible and quite experimental as well. Yeah, they're

819
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 8: my favorite band. And they actually they were actually in

820
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 8: Australia last year and I couldn't get to that one

821
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 8: of these shows. I was going to fly over and

822
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 8: see them, The Lemon Twigs.

823
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: I think we've got a little bit of Lemon Twigs here.

824
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 8: That's lep Off their latest album. It's great.

825
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 4: I got a great look about it. We've got Beatles

826
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: sort of nineteen seventy one Beatles haircuts.

827
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, they very retro, you know, all the everything that

828
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 8: they have. They play rickenbackers and you know, I understand

829
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 8: and the bass black plays are Hofner and you know,

830
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 8: but they're not a they're not a Beatles covers band,

831
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 8: you know. They and their dad was Ronnie Ddario was

832
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 8: a quite a he never quite broke through, but he

833
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 8: was a singer songwriter in his own right. So yeah,

834
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 8: they're great, they're they're They're my favorite band at the moment.

835
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 8: But I also love some of the new country stuff

836
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 8: that's coming out.

837
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 11: You know.

838
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 8: It's like, I really like Casey Musgraves. I think she's amazing.

839
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 8: There's a couple of others like Mareon Morrison. Obviously I

840
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 8: love her because she's got a great name. There's a

841
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 8: few that I like. I don't particularly like the you know,

842
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 8: Luke Holmes is my youngest daughter will hate me.

843
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: For some.

844
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 8: But yeah, there's there's little there's always little pockets of Actually,

845
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 8: you know What've I love at the moment is Mike

846
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 8: Hall's new.

847
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: Yes, we just had him on to talk about it. Wow,

848
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: that's a great album.

849
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 8: And him and Joel Mulholland together is like.

850
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: Out of the Lamb as well Fridgehip some knock at

851
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: crany of the Lamb.

852
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 8: Ye yep, it's Joel's little studio upstairs. Yep, that's a

853
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 8: great record. That's a great record. I quite like that

854
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 8: kind of just slightly off center, kind of poppy, melodic thing,

855
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 8: which is the antithesis of my of me. My my

856
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 8: album is very melancholy. And I'm a ballady, you know.

857
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 8: I like writing ballads, That's my thing. So a lot

858
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 8: of the songs. I've been searching for the perfect to

859
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 8: write the perfect love song, and I think there is.

860
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 8: I write a song about my wife, Janey, and and

861
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 8: I think it's as close as the perfect love song

862
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 8: ballad that I will ever.

863
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: What's it called.

864
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 8: It's called jane Ah. But you'll be able to Yep,

865
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 8: you'll be able to hear it tomorrow. You can play

866
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 8: some now, we.

867
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: Can play the we We've got the saddest we can

868
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: play the Saddest Sound.

869
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 8: Okay, yep, Sadest Sound, which my brother wrote. Ian wrote

870
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 8: that just after the Dudes broke up in nineteen eighty.

871
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 10: So it's a little tribute to him.

872
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: We should go out on us. Ricky, thanks so much

873
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 4: for coming and getting on the Matagery podcast. Always great

874
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 4: to chat to you. Luck with the album, bitst of

875
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: luck with the touring.

876
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 8: If you want to come tomorrow night. Let me know.

877
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 8: I'll put your names on the door.

878
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: Thank you the chat, and I'll get your email address

879
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: and i'll find you that Please movie, please do, please do.

880
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 8: Thanks, Thanks for the check.

881
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 7: St is sound diama they're friends and trumpet. Hush hush, yeah,

882
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 7: the devil bad you when I cried. Oh, that's the

883
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 7: setti sound, Diama. That's the settest sound diable. That's the

884
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 7: settest sound DIAA. Take me in your stride, break me

885
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 7: with your bride.

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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Matt Heath.

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Speaker 3: You have been listening to the Matt and Jerry Daily

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Speaker 3: Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen to our Radio

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Speaker 3: Highlights podcast, which you will absolutely get barred up about anyway.

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Speaker 3: Set to download, like, subscribe, writer, review, all those great things.

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Speaker 1: It really helps myself and Jerry and to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 1: Mass and Ruder.

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Speaker 3: If you want to discuss anything raised in this pod,

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Speaker 3: check out the Conclave, a Matt and Jerry Facebook discussion group.

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Speaker 1: And while I'm plugging stuff, my book.

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Speaker 3: A Life is Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the Life

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Speaker 3: You've Got is out now get it wherever you get

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Speaker 3: your books, or just google the bastard anyway, you seem busy,

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Speaker 3: I'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: Bless blessed, blessed. Give them a taste of key we

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Speaker 1: from me.