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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Taine podcast

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Speaker 1: from news Talks ed B. Start your weekend off in style.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome to News Dog's ed V. Jack Tame

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Speaker 2: with you in the hot seat through to midday today.

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Speaker 2: You know that film better Man, the biopic about Robbie

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Speaker 2: Williams that turned things on its head a little bit,

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Speaker 2: distinguished itself from some other musical biopics by having an

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Speaker 2: ape play the central character. It is a visual feast,

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Speaker 2: but did you know the company behind it is Wetter

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Speaker 2: Effects and the guy who was in charge of making

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Speaker 2: it look so good, the visual effects supervisor for better

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Speaker 2: Man is a Kiwi at Wetter Effects called Luke Miller,

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Speaker 2: who was nominated for an Oscar for his work. He's

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Speaker 2: gonna be with us after ten o'clock this morning to

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Speaker 2: tell us about that process. How do you go about

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Speaker 2: making a film like better Man? Before that, we're going

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Speaker 2: to look at some of the other films showing it

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Speaker 2: this year's International Film Festival, including this incredible New Zealand documentary,

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Speaker 2: and we've got a delicious recipe for an orange cake

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Speaker 2: before ten o'clock. Right now, though it's eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 3: Jack, Team.

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Speaker 2: So I played the trombone in high school. I know

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Speaker 2: what you're thinking, squeaky voiced Jack, stumbling off the bus,

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Speaker 2: then running through a few scales on his big brass slide. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 2: you're right, hello, ladies. Honestly, though, I think the fact

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Speaker 2: that my instrument was seen as a little bit quirky

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Speaker 2: the time. What the trombone wasn't, at least back then,

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Speaker 2: was very cool right to my mind. It was good

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Speaker 2: for jazz band, and good for a blast and orchestra,

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Speaker 2: good for being able to read music, and both the

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Speaker 2: treble and the bass cliff. But I wasn't sort of

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Speaker 2: creative enough at the time to find or honestly even

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Speaker 2: to search out a different sound with my trombone. Brass

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Speaker 2: had its place, and that was that. But the year

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Speaker 2: after I left high school, based on a true story,

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Speaker 2: hit record stores. I'd never heard of Fat Freddy's Drop,

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Speaker 2: but I was played a song by a friend and

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Speaker 2: I bought the album the day it was released, And

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Speaker 2: I know it was two thousand and five, because I

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Speaker 2: can literally remember buying the CD from a Sounds record shop.

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Speaker 2: I can remember walking down Madras Street in christ Church

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Speaker 2: with it kind of burning a hole in my bag.

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Speaker 2: I was so excited to play it. And let me

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Speaker 2: tell you, I don't think I've ever thrashed an album

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Speaker 2: so much in my life. You know the way it

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Speaker 2: starts off like so sparse, those simple plunking piano keys,

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Speaker 2: dundun dun da dun da dun dun da dun dun

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Speaker 2: and it builds. The sound was just so exciting. It

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Speaker 2: thought when I saw that a trombonist was part of

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Speaker 2: the lineup, if I had known that this kind of

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Speaker 2: and soul with its brass component. I mean, as much

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I am no, I don't claim to be any sort

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Speaker 2: Fat Freddy's Drop are a prime example of muso's muso's.

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Speaker 2: So they are a band which loosely formed from a

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Speaker 2: crew who just liked jamming in their spare time. They're

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Speaker 2: they've seemed utterly unconcerned with the trappings of rock and

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Speaker 2: Forget your three minute four chord tricks to sell into

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Speaker 2: the top forty radio stations. If you've been to a

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Speaker 2: you will know it can be hard sometimes to know

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Speaker 2: there's something kind of I don't know, there's something like pacific,

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Speaker 2: got Dallas, friend of the show of course, who is

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Speaker 2: a singer for Fat Freddy's Drop. And you got MoU

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Speaker 2: Chris Fayoumu founded Fat Freddy's Drop, he produced their music

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Speaker 2: and as the DJ, his beats and blends and samples

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Speaker 2: the kind of foundation of so much of their art.

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Speaker 2: And I just feel that my experience with his work

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Speaker 2: so grateful, like so so grateful for the music he

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Speaker 2: made that has honestly enriched my life. Jack Team ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two is our text number. If you want to

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Speaker 2: as well Jacket News Talks. He'd be dot coder and

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Speaker 2: don't forget that if you are sending me a text

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Speaker 2: that standard text costs apply. Sort of feels like a

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Speaker 2: bit of a funny build up to the third test tonight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know that the atmosphere in the Tronto

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Speaker 2: it felt like things were already ramping up for kickoff

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Speaker 2: this evening, but sort of interesting lineups for both of

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks and France. We can get out of

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Speaker 2: Sportos thoughts on that very shortly. Kevin Milan's gonna kick

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Speaker 2: us off for our Saturday morning together next though. Thirteen

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Speaker 2: minutes past nine, I'm Jack Tame. This is news Dog's eDV.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 3: Then with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Team and bepurured on co dot

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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB sixteen past nine on News Talks EDB

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Speaker 2: with Jack taym Adam has flipped me an email, as

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Speaker 2: he often does on Saturday mornings, to say, Jack really

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Speaker 2: enjoyed your opening comments this morning, and totally agree when

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Speaker 2: it comes to fact for his drop. I've seen them

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Speaker 2: of my all time favorite. Such sad news about DJ

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Speaker 2: Moon only two ninety two if you want to send

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Speaker 2: and Kevin Milner is here with us this morning, Kilder

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Speaker 4: Jack nicely said about MoU Blome me I didn't listen

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Speaker 4: to their music much, but oddly one day were the

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Speaker 4: funny things have happened on TV? Really, I ended up

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Speaker 4: having to do a promo for Fairgo, which was going

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Speaker 4: that and we ended up sort of doing a little

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Speaker 2: My totally clear are we talking about a musical thing here?

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Speaker 2: Were you were sort of one of the one of

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: I actually said to them that one of my great

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Speaker 4: aims in life was still record a pop song or

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Speaker 4: or some sort of song that might go on the charts. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And and I said, would there be any charts that

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Speaker 4: I could record it with you guys and they were,

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Speaker 4: they were riding into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they were.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because luckily it never got any further.

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Speaker 2: But but honestly, that feels like that could be true

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Speaker 2: of any band, if you were going to feature and

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Speaker 2: a performance from any band, I think that that is

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Speaker 2: the band. It feels like you could just slip into

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Speaker 2: you go, hang on, is that Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Mill So you're making me wish i'd follow that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, anyway, Kevin, You've been thinking about weddings this week.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've got to congratulate Listener columnist Jane Clifton

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Speaker 4: for this week throwing new light onto the much maligned

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Speaker 4: Jeff Bezos wedding in Venice. As we know, Bezos had

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Speaker 4: been criticized that tens of millions he spent on the

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Speaker 4: the amount he spent on his wedding as a proportion

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Speaker 4: of us best estimates show that your average British, European

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Speaker 4: and American couples spend about half their annual income on

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Speaker 4: their wedding. That's an average, you said, it wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: far behind, giving what it seems to be a mushrooming

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Speaker 4: Bezos who apparently earns eight million dollars an hour spending

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Speaker 4: spend half their annual income on a showy wedding. Bezos

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Speaker 4: only spent what he earns in a morning. If he

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Speaker 4: five billion. As well as the Venice Canals, he'd have

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Speaker 4: By comparison to the rest of us, Bezos showed restraint.

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Speaker 4: And I tell Jane Clifton's story because it tells us

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Speaker 4: that to some extent, we're the fools. Don't get sacked

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Speaker 4: into a wedding that's out of proportion to your income.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about your friends. They'll be the last to complain.

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Speaker 4: They're as hard up as you are. Most of delighted

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said given. I. I It's it's funny like

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Speaker 2: the you know, the showiness of weddings is, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not important to everyone, but it clearly is important

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Speaker 2: to some people. I mean it's a I think it's

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Speaker 2: I mean we spent a fear summer money on on

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Speaker 2: I was like, if this means that I'm going to

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Speaker 2: And you know, we had a lot of sort of

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Speaker 2: thought it'd be nice to give them a good day.

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Speaker 2: But you can see how people over extend and just

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Speaker 2: what is at the end of the day, six or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think if you've got the if you've got the money,

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Speaker 4: good on you, I say, But please, if you don't

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Speaker 4: have money, That's all I would say. And like, we

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Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing. Yeah, Hey, thanks so much, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: Hey missus Jack, like you, I played the trumpet at

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Speaker 1: Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 2: You would be surprised just how cool brass bands are

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Speaker 6: He caught it, Jack, Yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 7: You don't strike me as being someone who would dig

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Speaker 2: They are a bit tricky to play. And there's no

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Speaker 7: Be definitely cold, but I imagine the All Blacks will still

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Speaker 7: Jack I think look good on Scott Robertson for sticking

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Speaker 7: Expose those talents at Test match level. What will the

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Speaker 6: They will be motivated. They won't want to leave here

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Speaker 7: They have had a long, long season a lot of

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Speaker 2: Five pm this evening, of course, Wrexham taking on the

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Speaker 7: It's all sort of come around quite quickly, hasn't he

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Speaker 6: But you're looking forward to seeing how Wellington do this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Very good, All right, sir, catch again very soon and

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Speaker 2: don't forget of course that News Talks He'd beat is

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Speaker 2: six o'clock. Kickoff is at seven o'clock or just after

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Speaker 2: We'll give you all the details very shortly. Thank you

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Speaker 2: your film picks for this weekend. Francesca Rudkin is our

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Speaker 2: listen to this. This is Grace a Prayer for Peace.

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Speaker 8: I think the paintings are a bit like us human beings.

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Speaker 2: This is a documentary about New Zealand artist Robin White,

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Speaker 2: so tell us about Grace A Prayer for Peace.

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Speaker 9: Yes, one of our greatest living artists, printmaker and beautiful

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Speaker 9: Gailien follows Robin for a couple of years shooting this film,

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Speaker 9: But I think this isn't a biopical trying to put

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Speaker 9: with the artist learning about her work. But for the

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Speaker 9: majority of this film, Robin pre follow Robin going about

434
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Speaker 9: her work, and this too is such a great treat

435
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Speaker 9: with Gaileen sort of focused on two aspects of her

436
00:23:33,173 --> 00:23:35,613
Speaker 9: recent career, when she's been in Japan where she did

437
00:23:35,613 --> 00:23:39,053
Speaker 9: a residency, and also when she went to Curbus and

438
00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:42,213
Speaker 9: she lived there a long time ago, and twenty years later,

439
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:46,053
Speaker 9: she finally decides to execute this work which has been

440
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Speaker 9: in her mind for all this time. So we watch

441
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Speaker 9: her going about this process, we watch her create these works,

442
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Speaker 9: and it's really wonderful to hear what inspires her work,

443
00:23:55,533 --> 00:23:59,493
Speaker 9: what she wants to convey, her motives, the methods and

444
00:23:59,533 --> 00:24:02,653
Speaker 9: the materials she uses, how she conceives the work then

445
00:24:02,853 --> 00:24:07,013
Speaker 9: composes it. I found it absolutely fast to nating and

446
00:24:07,053 --> 00:24:11,973
Speaker 9: I I you know, Robin White has this created this

447
00:24:12,093 --> 00:24:16,173
Speaker 9: incredible legacy, and I think this film reminds us about

448
00:24:16,213 --> 00:24:20,813
Speaker 9: the importance of capturing the meaning behind her significant works

449
00:24:20,893 --> 00:24:24,493
Speaker 9: and learning from them from the artists themselves.

450
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Speaker 1: You know.

451
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Speaker 9: It's I think. I think Gayleen has just given us this,

452
00:24:28,373 --> 00:24:33,413
Speaker 9: this very special, moving, thought provoking film here that elevates

453
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Speaker 9: the experience of you know, seeing her works and understanding

454
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Speaker 9: the way she does it. And she's done a really

455
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Speaker 9: great job of filming the works as well, because nothing

456
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Speaker 9: beat seeing a piece of art in front of you

457
00:24:48,573 --> 00:24:51,173
Speaker 9: in person, right, But she comes very very close here.

458
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Speaker 9: She's done a really great job of filming some especially

459
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Speaker 9: some of Robin Nassive canvases, Like you know, I almost

460
00:24:58,853 --> 00:25:01,533
Speaker 9: I felt the power of them through the screen. I

461
00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:03,893
Speaker 9: think this is going to be stunning to see on

462
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Speaker 9: the big screen. It really is a very special film.

463
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it. I love Robin White's work.

464
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Speaker 2: Did you see a couple of years ago, it was

465
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Speaker 2: probably eighteen months or so ago, the Auckland Ark Gallery

466
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Speaker 2: had that incredible Robin White.

467
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Speaker 9: And that's what she yes, that's what she takes us around, right,

468
00:25:20,453 --> 00:25:23,213
Speaker 9: So that's part of it. And I love that it

469
00:25:23,253 --> 00:25:25,013
Speaker 9: is likely in your own little tour, but what I

470
00:25:25,133 --> 00:25:27,733
Speaker 9: really loved was seeing her working and action thing. So

471
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Speaker 9: this is screening at the New Zealand International Film Festival.

472
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Speaker 9: It's petting off on the thirty first of July. It's

473
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Speaker 9: running through the tenth of September around the whole country,

474
00:25:35,573 --> 00:25:39,613
Speaker 9: one hundred plus films, lots to choose from. What is

475
00:25:39,693 --> 00:25:43,173
Speaker 9: quite lovely though, is that this year they're also screaming

476
00:25:43,253 --> 00:25:46,573
Speaker 9: war stories our mothers never told us. And this is

477
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Speaker 9: a treasure. This is in the treasure section because this

478
00:25:49,413 --> 00:25:51,893
Speaker 9: is I think about thirty years old. This was also

479
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:55,093
Speaker 9: directed and producers by Gaming Preston, So it's quite lovely. Yes,

480
00:25:55,093 --> 00:25:57,453
Speaker 9: it was released in ninety ninety five, so it's quite lovely.

481
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Speaker 9: We have one of her classic treasures in the film festival,

482
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Speaker 9: and we also have one of her most recent works

483
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Speaker 9: in the film which had a.

484
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Speaker 2: Special they are so good, Okay cool, So the film

485
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Speaker 2: is Grace a prayer for peace. Next up, this is

486
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Speaker 2: a film showing in cinema. Cinema is not at the

487
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Speaker 2: International Film Festival. It is a universal language.

488
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Speaker 9: So I thought that maybe if you don't want to

489
00:26:19,013 --> 00:26:21,013
Speaker 9: wait for the Film Festival, you would like to see

490
00:26:21,293 --> 00:26:24,973
Speaker 9: a nutty sweet little absurdist art house film then you

491
00:26:25,213 --> 00:26:29,613
Speaker 9: might want to about. This is just absolutely delightful. It's

492
00:26:29,613 --> 00:26:31,893
Speaker 9: a Canadian film, but it's in French and Farcy. It's

493
00:26:31,973 --> 00:26:36,173
Speaker 9: kind of like this cross cultural absurdist comedy comedy. It's

494
00:26:36,213 --> 00:26:40,053
Speaker 9: written and directed by Matthew Rankin, so it's inspired by

495
00:26:40,213 --> 00:26:43,693
Speaker 9: Iranian films, and lassie seems to be very very common

496
00:26:43,733 --> 00:26:46,613
Speaker 9: in the setting of Winnipeg, and it's got a touch

497
00:26:46,613 --> 00:26:49,853
Speaker 9: of Wiz Anderson's styling tour and we meet a range

498
00:26:49,853 --> 00:26:54,373
Speaker 9: of seemingly random people going about their lives. Two school

499
00:26:54,453 --> 00:26:56,653
Speaker 9: kids trying to get a large bill out of some

500
00:26:56,733 --> 00:27:00,293
Speaker 9: frozen ice, this insane teacher who's struggling with his students,

501
00:27:00,293 --> 00:27:02,813
Speaker 9: who's a civil servant from Quebec come to see his mother.

502
00:27:03,093 --> 00:27:05,333
Speaker 9: A tour guy that takes people on the tour of

503
00:27:05,373 --> 00:27:08,333
Speaker 9: the most sort of underrated things you could ever imagine,

504
00:27:08,333 --> 00:27:10,053
Speaker 9: like a briefcase that has been sitting on a seat

505
00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:14,533
Speaker 9: since nineteen eighty seven. It is really quirky and weird

506
00:27:14,933 --> 00:27:18,333
Speaker 9: and strangely compelling, and all these people kind of come

507
00:27:18,373 --> 00:27:21,293
Speaker 9: together at the end. The styling's great. It's there's sort

508
00:27:21,293 --> 00:27:25,253
Speaker 9: of these gray, beige, brown districts there's lots of concreting brick,

509
00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:27,893
Speaker 9: and then there's just these crazy burths of sort of

510
00:27:27,973 --> 00:27:32,373
Speaker 9: color and quirky kind of eighties costumes, and it's just

511
00:27:32,773 --> 00:27:36,173
Speaker 9: it's you're sitting going this shouldn't make sense, and this

512
00:27:36,253 --> 00:27:40,613
Speaker 9: shouldn't pull me in, but it absolutely does. It's a

513
00:27:40,813 --> 00:27:44,373
Speaker 9: sort of surreal realm and it's funny and odd, and

514
00:27:44,533 --> 00:27:46,413
Speaker 9: you do need to be a discerning film goer. It

515
00:27:46,453 --> 00:27:48,293
Speaker 9: is not for everybody, but take a look at the

516
00:27:48,373 --> 00:27:51,773
Speaker 9: trainer and see if it's for you. I really enjoyed it.

517
00:27:52,373 --> 00:27:55,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, cool. So that's universal language that's showing in

518
00:27:55,093 --> 00:27:58,853
Speaker 2: cinemas now. Grace a prayer for peace. The documentary about

519
00:27:58,933 --> 00:28:02,653
Speaker 2: artist Robin White is showing at the International Film Festival.

520
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Francisca. You have a great weekend and

521
00:28:04,533 --> 00:28:06,013
Speaker 2: we will catch you. So we'll make sure those films

522
00:28:06,053 --> 00:28:07,853
Speaker 2: are up on the news Talk's he'd be website as well.

523
00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:11,213
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Robert like I say, we're big

524
00:28:11,213 --> 00:28:13,573
Speaker 2: fans of Robin White in our household. And I'll let

525
00:28:13,613 --> 00:28:16,413
Speaker 2: you in on a little bit of a romantic story.

526
00:28:17,413 --> 00:28:20,853
Speaker 2: When my wife and I were engaged, I was looking

527
00:28:20,853 --> 00:28:24,093
Speaker 2: for something kind of special along with the along with

528
00:28:24,093 --> 00:28:27,213
Speaker 2: the ring of course, to ask for her hand in marriage.

529
00:28:27,293 --> 00:28:30,773
Speaker 2: And I ended up getting a little Robin white original,

530
00:28:30,933 --> 00:28:33,253
Speaker 2: just a small one, just a little humble one, very

531
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Speaker 2: small to put on our walls. So we are very

532
00:28:36,933 --> 00:28:40,213
Speaker 2: lucky to have. It's like it's like, you know, like

533
00:28:40,293 --> 00:28:43,093
Speaker 2: the size of a postcard, and it is like our

534
00:28:43,253 --> 00:28:46,733
Speaker 2: far and away our most kind of treasured artwork at home.

535
00:28:46,813 --> 00:28:49,373
Speaker 2: So I know what you're thinking, Yes, missus Tame is

536
00:28:49,453 --> 00:28:49,813
Speaker 2: very lucky.

537
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Speaker 5: Indeed.

538
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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Ta keeping the conversation going through

539
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Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure dot co dot ins here for

540
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Speaker 1: high quality supplements, News Talks.

541
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Speaker 2: A ten on News Talks V and says Hijack love

542
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Speaker 2: Robin white Haus the something is happening here exhibition at

543
00:29:05,933 --> 00:29:08,533
Speaker 2: the christ Art Gallery. More than once, keep returning to

544
00:29:08,573 --> 00:29:11,973
Speaker 2: the exhibition book, which is absolutely gorgeous. We'll make sure

545
00:29:12,053 --> 00:29:13,973
Speaker 2: the doco is on my watch list. I know what

546
00:29:14,013 --> 00:29:15,933
Speaker 2: you say about the exhibition book, because we've got it

547
00:29:15,973 --> 00:29:20,133
Speaker 2: as well. And after zeen o'clock on News Talks, he'd

548
00:29:20,173 --> 00:29:22,733
Speaker 2: be if you just feel like sitting on the couch

549
00:29:22,813 --> 00:29:24,933
Speaker 2: this weekend, that's all good. We don't judge on the

550
00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:28,413
Speaker 2: show and we've got three fantastic shows to recommend in

551
00:29:28,453 --> 00:29:30,813
Speaker 2: our screen time segment that's where we share with you

552
00:29:31,613 --> 00:29:34,813
Speaker 2: TV shows to watch or stream from home. And there's

553
00:29:34,853 --> 00:29:36,653
Speaker 2: this brand new show. It's kind of a little docu

554
00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:41,613
Speaker 2: series that follows a series of New Zealand netball legends

555
00:29:42,173 --> 00:29:44,093
Speaker 2: as they work to return to the court. So the

556
00:29:44,133 --> 00:29:46,973
Speaker 2: likes of Irene Van Dyke, Casey Corpora, Adean Wilson heading

557
00:29:47,013 --> 00:29:49,133
Speaker 2: back to the court for a big game. So I'll

558
00:29:49,133 --> 00:29:51,533
Speaker 2: tell you about that series after ten o'clock this morning.

559
00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:54,373
Speaker 2: Right now, though, our cook Nikki Wicks is here and

560
00:29:54,413 --> 00:29:58,013
Speaker 2: not only is she a fan of the kind of

561
00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:00,093
Speaker 2: desserts that she brings us so often, and we've got

562
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Speaker 2: one of those in a couple of minutes, but you're

563
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Speaker 2: a fat Freddy's fan too.

564
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Speaker 10: I really am, Jack.

565
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Speaker 11: I loved your intro and I was so so sorry

566
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Speaker 11: toy the news because best band like just so fantastic,

567
00:30:11,733 --> 00:30:15,133
Speaker 11: so iconically New Zealand and Pacific in sound. I love

568
00:30:15,173 --> 00:30:18,413
Speaker 11: it and I have it's so dear in my heart

569
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Speaker 11: because once when I was on a cycling trip through

570
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Speaker 11: Vietnam and I had a walkman disc on me.

571
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Speaker 10: Oh yes, that is back when we had.

572
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Speaker 4: Wow.

573
00:30:28,853 --> 00:30:32,453
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I can still in my brain, I have

574
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Speaker 11: got such a clear image of chugging up this really

575
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Speaker 11: really big slope and it was a good few kilometers

576
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Speaker 11: if not more, and just up and zigzagging across the

577
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Speaker 11: wide valley in Vietnam to the sounds of fat Freddies and.

578
00:30:47,093 --> 00:30:50,133
Speaker 10: That beats that you know that just keep me going.

579
00:30:50,213 --> 00:30:52,493
Speaker 10: It was like just my pedling was like, yes, I

580
00:30:52,853 --> 00:30:54,333
Speaker 10: would do it. I could do it.

581
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Speaker 2: I'm a priest because I like, I would like fat

582
00:30:57,573 --> 00:31:00,733
Speaker 2: footies to me is like relaxing music as opposed to

583
00:31:00,773 --> 00:31:02,533
Speaker 2: like get pumped up for a big you know what

584
00:31:02,613 --> 00:31:02,893
Speaker 2: I mean.

585
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Speaker 10: Well, but bear in mind when you're chugging up a hill,

586
00:31:05,453 --> 00:31:09,533
Speaker 10: you're and granny gear. Yeah okay, so I'm slow, it's

587
00:31:09,773 --> 00:31:12,853
Speaker 10: just you keep ongoing. So yeah, it's always very Rey

588
00:31:12,973 --> 00:31:15,133
Speaker 10: fond of my memory. So there you go. Yeah, great,

589
00:31:15,333 --> 00:31:15,693
Speaker 10: it's great.

590
00:31:15,733 --> 00:31:18,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. All right, Hey, you've got a fantastic

591
00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:21,013
Speaker 2: sounding little recipe this morning to make the most of

592
00:31:21,093 --> 00:31:22,533
Speaker 2: some good citrus at the moment.

593
00:31:23,453 --> 00:31:27,613
Speaker 11: Yes, honestly, this orange cake it's super simple. And before

594
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:30,093
Speaker 11: listeners get excited or think oh it's that it's that

595
00:31:30,173 --> 00:31:33,053
Speaker 11: boiled orange cake, it's not the boiled orange cake, because

596
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Speaker 11: an actual fact, I've never enjoyed the boiled orange cake

597
00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:38,613
Speaker 11: because it's too pathetesa me where you boil whole oranges

598
00:31:38,653 --> 00:31:40,813
Speaker 11: and use those for the cake. It's much simpler than that,

599
00:31:41,173 --> 00:31:43,253
Speaker 11: and it's but this one is really crammed full of

600
00:31:43,253 --> 00:31:46,773
Speaker 11: a very intense orange flavor. So I make it in

601
00:31:46,813 --> 00:31:49,813
Speaker 11: a loaf tin. So you could probably double the recipe

602
00:31:49,853 --> 00:31:53,253
Speaker 11: make a sizeable sort of round twenty three centimeter cake

603
00:31:53,253 --> 00:31:55,973
Speaker 11: if you like. But here is the recipe for a

604
00:31:56,093 --> 00:31:58,493
Speaker 11: nice little loaf cake that we'll see you through the weekend.

605
00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:02,533
Speaker 11: Bang that oven on one hundred and eighty degrees celsius

606
00:32:02,893 --> 00:32:06,333
Speaker 11: and line a loaf tin with some some baking paper,

607
00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:09,173
Speaker 11: and then in a bowl of a food processor, I

608
00:32:09,453 --> 00:32:12,373
Speaker 11: just process a cup of raw sugar. I mean, if

609
00:32:12,373 --> 00:32:14,253
Speaker 11: you don't have raw sugar, just use ordinary sugar. But

610
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Speaker 11: I quite like the caramelly flavor that you get from

611
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Speaker 11: this from raw sugar. And you do that with some citrus,

612
00:32:21,733 --> 00:32:24,613
Speaker 11: and I use the rind of two oranges and one lemon.

613
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Speaker 11: But so I take it off with a potato peela jack,

614
00:32:27,453 --> 00:32:29,933
Speaker 11: so I want to avoid the white pith, okay, And

615
00:32:29,933 --> 00:32:32,693
Speaker 11: I find that kind of bitter Flavorates want that pure

616
00:32:32,973 --> 00:32:36,013
Speaker 11: citrusy flavor in hair, so and you process that in

617
00:32:36,653 --> 00:32:38,693
Speaker 11: your food process or with the sugar so.

618
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Speaker 10: That you end up with a sort of damp, sandy

619
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Speaker 10: kind of texture. It's really lovely.

620
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Speaker 11: It's a wonderful way to fuse the sugar with the

621
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Speaker 11: citrus flavors. And then well then I take the pith

622
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Speaker 11: off the orange off one of the oranges with a

623
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Speaker 11: serrated knife, and then I chop that up and put

624
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Speaker 11: that in the blender as well.

625
00:32:54,813 --> 00:32:59,053
Speaker 10: So I've got this lovely sugary citrusy mixed there. Transfer

626
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Speaker 10: that to a.

627
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Speaker 11: Mixing bowl, and then whisk in an egg into that,

628
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Speaker 11: and then just keep whisking or beating it till it's

629
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Speaker 11: nice and thick and me and then add in half

630
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Speaker 11: a cup of olive oil. I use grape seed oil

631
00:33:11,813 --> 00:33:14,813
Speaker 11: or caged my hands on some cheap olive oil, I'll

632
00:33:14,893 --> 00:33:18,493
Speaker 11: use that. And again, using olive oil instead of a

633
00:33:19,253 --> 00:33:22,573
Speaker 11: instead of butter and a cake. It just really makes

634
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Speaker 11: the difference. It means that cake is fresh for days.

635
00:33:26,173 --> 00:33:30,533
Speaker 11: I'm avoiding saying the word moist, and it just it's

636
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:33,333
Speaker 11: got this lovely testure which I absolutely dore look quite

637
00:33:33,373 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 11: different from a from a buttered cake. So yeah, so

638
00:33:37,893 --> 00:33:39,973
Speaker 11: add your oil in there, pinch of salt in there,

639
00:33:40,053 --> 00:33:42,373
Speaker 11: just for a bit of balance, and mix that u

640
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Speaker 11: until it's combined. And then stir through some yogurt, about

641
00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:48,333
Speaker 11: half a cup of good thick natural yogurt that you've

642
00:33:49,173 --> 00:33:52,493
Speaker 11: stirred in two tablespoons of lemon juice into their Add

643
00:33:52,973 --> 00:33:55,013
Speaker 11: one or a quarter cups of plain flour, or you

644
00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:58,493
Speaker 11: can use self raising flour. If you're using plain flour,

645
00:33:58,493 --> 00:34:01,213
Speaker 11: add in two teaspoons of baking powder, and I do

646
00:34:01,293 --> 00:34:04,693
Speaker 11: about a half a teaspoon of baking soda sometimes too.

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Speaker 11: You've got all the all the ingredients there that we're

648
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Speaker 11: going to give this cake or this loaf cake really

649
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Speaker 11: great rise because you've got baking powders, you've got the

650
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Speaker 11: lemon juice, the yogurt and all of that sort of

651
00:34:15,653 --> 00:34:19,493
Speaker 11: thing that's going to react with those raising agents. Throw

652
00:34:19,573 --> 00:34:23,693
Speaker 11: that into your into your loaf tin and it's very

653
00:34:23,733 --> 00:34:25,853
Speaker 11: it's a nice thick batter, and then what you need

654
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Speaker 11: to be doing is just cooking that for about thirty

655
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Speaker 11: five to forty minutes.

656
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Speaker 10: Loaf cakes don't I don't know why. They just take

657
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Speaker 10: a long time to cook, So cook that off.

658
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Speaker 11: For you know, sort of thirty five to forty five

659
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Speaker 11: minutes until a scua comes out nice and clean. Leave

660
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Speaker 11: it for a good ten minutes.

661
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Speaker 10: To cool in the tin.

662
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Speaker 11: You can't I sit If you like, you could also

663
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Speaker 11: put a syrup over it, but I just prefer it plain,

664
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Speaker 11: believe it or not.

665
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Speaker 10: It's just so beautiful.

666
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Speaker 11: And as I ate two pieces for breakfast this morning

667
00:34:53,973 --> 00:34:55,773
Speaker 11: with my cup of tea in bed, and look, it

668
00:34:55,813 --> 00:34:57,493
Speaker 11: started off as one slice the right.

669
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Speaker 10: Started und risk it. You know what I thought?

670
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Speaker 11: I thought, you know, this would have also been really

671
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:04,853
Speaker 11: good with some sultanas or raisins in it, interesting so

672
00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:05,533
Speaker 11: you could chut.

673
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it just seems it would be great with that

674
00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:08,013
Speaker 10: as well.

675
00:35:08,093 --> 00:35:10,973
Speaker 11: So if you like that sort of thing, then feel

676
00:35:10,973 --> 00:35:12,453
Speaker 11: free to put on sort of half a cup.

677
00:35:12,373 --> 00:35:14,173
Speaker 10: Of those as well. You won't be sorry.

678
00:35:14,253 --> 00:35:17,813
Speaker 11: But it's just the beautiful, most amazing citrusy flavors.

679
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Speaker 2: Hey, I was thinking of you this week because we

680
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Speaker 2: picked up a little bit of a treat at our place,

681
00:35:22,733 --> 00:35:29,653
Speaker 2: just a couple everyone can ever we taste tiosmillo. Is

682
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Speaker 2: that time of year. My wife just gotten from the

683
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Speaker 2: supermarket believe it or not, the fancy supermarket. So great experience, Yes,

684
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Speaker 2: a great expense. So we've had to remortgage the house,

685
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Speaker 2: et cetera. But so they were only I was allowed

686
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Speaker 2: to even when else had one, so that we got

687
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Speaker 2: four the whole household.

688
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Speaker 10: And do you just you just have them straight, have

689
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Speaker 10: them straight.

690
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just there's something about the I don't know,

691
00:35:52,373 --> 00:35:57,773
Speaker 2: the kind of tartness and the yeah, gorgeous color as well.

692
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Speaker 2: Sixt week I think the color, you know, it's.

693
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Speaker 11: Also the various different varieties too, which I but you

694
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Speaker 11: actually they're they're quite galvan and people love them or

695
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Speaker 11: hate them.

696
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Speaker 10: But what a treat to have in the day.

697
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Speaker 2: I know, hold little bit, I know, I know, a

698
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Speaker 2: little bit like.

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Speaker 10: A Robin White quite priceless.

700
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Speaker 5: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, hey, thank you so much. We'll make sure

702
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Speaker 2: that beautiful sounding orange cake recipes up at Newstalks edb

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Speaker 2: Aaron has looked me a note on the email this

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Speaker 2: morning to say Jack, thank you for your comments about DJMO.

709
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Speaker 2: I agree what you say when it comes to what

710
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Speaker 2: you said. I agree with what you said. Rather, when

711
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Speaker 2: it comes to the modesty of the band, it's like

712
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Speaker 2: they've never been interested in all of the trappings of

713
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Speaker 2: the rock and roll world. It's funny how little we

714
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Speaker 2: actually know about the individual members, but certainly MoU had

715
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Speaker 2: the reputation as being the beating heart of Fat Freddy's Drop.

716
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Speaker 2: And I think you hit the nail on the head

717
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Speaker 2: when you said that they are the sound of New

718
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Speaker 2: Zealand in a sense. Yeah, I do. I just think

719
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Speaker 2: they are a kind of modern sound of New Zealand day.

720
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Speaker 2: There's kind of there's a real there's languidness a word.

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Speaker 2: There's a languid nature to a lot of their music

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Speaker 2: that I find really really attractive. So yeah, thank you

723
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Speaker 2: for that. If you want to flip me an email,

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Speaker 2: text on the text, Jack, try tamario a tamarijos oh

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Speaker 2: hang on toma to yours ah. Okay, Well this is

728
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Speaker 2: completely different. Fruit. Try a tomat you're sliced on a

729
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Speaker 2: piece of vogels, well buttered with a sprinkle of salt

730
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Speaker 2: and sugar. Okay, yeah, I'm into that. I wonder how

731
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Speaker 2: I don't know if tamarillo might also work and that,

732
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Speaker 2: so yeah, thank you. After ten o'clock, our feature interview

733
00:37:58,613 --> 00:38:02,493
Speaker 2: this morning is the visual effects supervisor who was in

734
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Speaker 2: charge of that incredible Robbie Williams biopic Better Man. It

735
00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:08,853
Speaker 2: was a hell of a job. They had to pull

736
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Speaker 2: off some ridiculous scenes. So he's going to tell us

737
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Speaker 2: about that, and I'm going to ask him about the

738
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Speaker 2: direction of visual effects, because you know, if you think

739
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Speaker 2: about how much visual effects in movies have improved in

740
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Speaker 2: just the last five or ten years, and then think

741
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Speaker 2: about the role that AI might play in the future

742
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Speaker 2: if it lives up to even a third of its hype,

743
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Speaker 2: that the nature of movies could be about to change.

744
00:38:33,973 --> 00:38:35,853
Speaker 2: As well as that, we're going to catch up with

745
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Speaker 2: our resident doctor. He's going to talk about we Govy.

746
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Speaker 2: That's one of these kind of supposedly miracle weight loss drugs.

747
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Speaker 2: It has just been approved for use in New Zealand.

748
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Speaker 2: I think you've got to have you certainly have to

749
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Speaker 2: have a prescription, but I think it's not publicly funded.

750
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Speaker 2: But he's going to tell us a little bit about

751
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Speaker 2: how we govy works and the impact it might have

752
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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. When he joined us very shortly, it's

753
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Speaker 2: almost news time. Though it's almost ten o'clock. It's Saturday morning.

754
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Speaker 2: I'm Jack Tame. This is news dog Zed be.

755
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Speaker 2: Lord any you're a jackaime on newstalks 'db Who else

760
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Speaker 2: could pull off turning one of the world's biggest pop

761
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Speaker 2: stars into a chimpanzee? Who else but Wetter Effects. WETA,

762
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Speaker 2: of course, is well known for incredible visual effects and

763
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Speaker 2: TV and film, and when megastar Robbie Williams said make

764
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Speaker 2: me an ape, it was only natural that Weta were

765
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Speaker 2: the ones who got the call. And the man who

766
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Speaker 2: was responsible for that incredible transformation in the film Beat

767
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Speaker 2: a Man was visual effects supervisor Luke Miller. He was

768
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Speaker 2: nominated for an Oscar for his work and he joins

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Speaker 2: us this morning. Kilda, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 13: Thank you very happy to be here.

771
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Speaker 2: Visual effects supervisor. Does that mean that you're the guy

772
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Speaker 2: sitting behind the computer hitting refresh or rendering the images?

773
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Speaker 2: Does it mean that you're the guy in front of

774
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Speaker 2: the green screen with the funny little balls and a

775
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Speaker 2: weird outfit. What is your job?

776
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Speaker 13: Well, typically, a visual effects supervisor is responsible for the

777
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Speaker 13: visual effects component of a movie. I think pretty much

778
00:40:40,093 --> 00:40:43,013
Speaker 13: these days every movie will have a visual effects component.

779
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Speaker 13: Most of it will be invisible, and it's everything from

780
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Speaker 13: sort of designing the shots, how to work with the director,

781
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Speaker 13: to delivery of the final work that will then go

782
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Speaker 13: into the film.

783
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Speaker 2: And so is it your job to coordinate all the

784
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Speaker 2: different things that encompass visual effects.

785
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Speaker 13: Yeah, to sort of plan how we're going to tackle

786
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Speaker 13: the work, what the best way to do it is, Yeah,

787
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Speaker 13: how to make sure things are efficient, and then also

788
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Speaker 13: presenting that work back to the director.

789
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Speaker 2: So theoretically, if I was making a film about a

790
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Speaker 2: meteor blazing towards Earth that was going to destroy the

791
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Speaker 2: entire planet, and I came to you and said, right,

792
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Speaker 2: what is the best way to do this? What is

793
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:28,773
Speaker 2: the best way to render this image on the big screen?

794
00:41:28,813 --> 00:41:30,573
Speaker 2: Would it be your job to say, well, we could

795
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Speaker 2: do it by say, getting a basketball in front of

796
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Speaker 2: a green screen and putting it putting it across the screen,

797
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Speaker 2: or we could use this kind of sophisticated computing in

798
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Speaker 2: order to make that image from scratch, Like, would it

799
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Speaker 2: be your call to decide how best to make it?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly, I'll be talking you out of the basketball

801
00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:55,973
Speaker 13: green screen plan for starters, and just yes saying okay,

802
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:57,493
Speaker 13: if we want to produce a shot like that, this

803
00:41:57,573 --> 00:41:59,293
Speaker 13: will be the best way to do it. And obviously

804
00:41:59,453 --> 00:42:01,733
Speaker 13: you know you've got making the shots themselves, but also

805
00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:04,693
Speaker 13: the cast and everyone else involved and how they integrate

806
00:42:04,773 --> 00:42:07,373
Speaker 13: with the media, and so it's sort of just trying

807
00:42:07,413 --> 00:42:09,773
Speaker 13: to plan out how to get the best, most realistic

808
00:42:10,013 --> 00:42:13,813
Speaker 13: looking results with all of those different variables in bold.

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Speaker 2: How much is money a variable?

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Speaker 3: It's a huge.

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Speaker 13: Variable, always the main one. Everyone wants. Everyone wants more

812
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Speaker 13: for less, So being creative and efficient is always the

813
00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:32,653
Speaker 13: name of the game. But yeah, also making sure that

814
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Speaker 13: you're fulfilling the vision of the director.

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Speaker 2: So for example, to use the media, or example, once again,

816
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Speaker 2: if I came to you and I said, I want

817
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Speaker 2: to have a perfectly realistic metia you're coming to earth,

818
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Speaker 2: but I've got five grand to do it. You'd be like, right,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know a green screen and we've got

820
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Speaker 2: some fishing line. Whereas if I said, you know, not

821
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Speaker 2: money is no object, but perhaps I've got I've got

822
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Speaker 2: a Hollywood blockbuster kind of budget at my fingertips, then

823
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Speaker 2: you might have a completely different approach.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean the approach might be similar, but it

825
00:43:01,973 --> 00:43:04,493
Speaker 13: might be the way in which we frame the shots.

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Speaker 13: For example, you know, like an epic wide of the

827
00:43:07,053 --> 00:43:09,573
Speaker 13: media crashing through space is obviously going to have a

828
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Speaker 13: lot of components to it, but then you can sort of,

829
00:43:12,373 --> 00:43:14,213
Speaker 13: you know, push in, get closer to the media and

830
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Speaker 13: not see the whole media. You know, there's always solutions

831
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Speaker 13: to the visual problem that you're trying to solve that

832
00:43:20,773 --> 00:43:24,453
Speaker 13: you don't necessarily. Some can have more cost of implications

833
00:43:24,493 --> 00:43:27,333
Speaker 13: than others, so you know, it's always about finding the

834
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Speaker 13: right balance.

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Speaker 2: You've been working in the industry for a few years now,

836
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Speaker 2: but how does one get to a point where you

837
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Speaker 2: know what the best solution is?

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Speaker 13: I think the best solution is always changing. You know,

839
00:43:38,293 --> 00:43:41,013
Speaker 13: technology has been advancing at a rate of knots for

840
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Speaker 13: many years throughout my whole career and the things that

841
00:43:43,093 --> 00:43:44,533
Speaker 13: we used to be able to do twenty years ago,

842
00:43:44,613 --> 00:43:47,693
Speaker 13: you know, would take like, you know, nothing to do now.

843
00:43:48,973 --> 00:43:52,613
Speaker 13: And also what audiences want as well, Like, there's definitely

844
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Speaker 13: a very big onus at the moment on practical and

845
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Speaker 13: integrating with that kind of practical component.

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean, Well, there's always a physical.

847
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Speaker 13: Component to most of the ways that we do, right.

848
00:44:07,173 --> 00:44:10,013
Speaker 13: We go onto moot sets, there are actors, there's sets,

849
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Speaker 13: there's locations. There's the special effects team, which are the

850
00:44:14,053 --> 00:44:17,133
Speaker 13: people who actually make things explode you know, on set,

851
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Speaker 13: and our work invariably dovetails into everything.

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Speaker 5: That they do.

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Speaker 14: And so.

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Speaker 6: You know, to kind of.

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Speaker 13: In the work between all of the tangible work that say,

856
00:44:34,133 --> 00:44:36,253
Speaker 13: goes into a movie and the digital stuff which we're

857
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Speaker 13: responsible for.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that's interesting that audience is kind of what

859
00:44:39,973 --> 00:44:42,933
Speaker 2: you're saying, is they actually value more real stuff today.

860
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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think is that because the

861
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Speaker 2: unreal for one of a better term, or digitized, you know,

862
00:44:50,453 --> 00:44:53,733
Speaker 2: forms of storytelling have become much more ubiquitous and much

863
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Speaker 2: more available. Actually, people are kind of thirsting for stuff

864
00:44:57,933 --> 00:44:59,333
Speaker 2: that's more grounded in reality.

865
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:01,333
Speaker 5: I think people just.

866
00:45:01,413 --> 00:45:04,973
Speaker 13: Really enjoy it when there's something that you can physically touch,

867
00:45:05,133 --> 00:45:08,893
Speaker 13: you know, like you can see. I don't think it

868
00:45:08,973 --> 00:45:11,013
Speaker 13: really actually makes that much difference to the enjoyment of

869
00:45:11,053 --> 00:45:13,013
Speaker 13: the movie, especially if the work is seemless. I think

870
00:45:13,053 --> 00:45:15,093
Speaker 13: most of the time people don't know. But I think

871
00:45:15,253 --> 00:45:18,133
Speaker 13: when there's when you can sort of, you know, see

872
00:45:18,133 --> 00:45:20,773
Speaker 13: it behind the scene shot and see that this castle

873
00:45:20,813 --> 00:45:22,573
Speaker 13: actually existed and you can go visit it.

874
00:45:22,653 --> 00:45:22,813
Speaker 5: You know.

875
00:45:23,133 --> 00:45:26,093
Speaker 13: It's the same reason why places like Hobbiton are so

876
00:45:26,293 --> 00:45:28,413
Speaker 13: popular to go and visit now, because they're there. You know,

877
00:45:28,533 --> 00:45:30,213
Speaker 13: you can see them, you can walk up to the doors,

878
00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:32,773
Speaker 13: and if they only ever existed as a digital thing,

879
00:45:32,853 --> 00:45:35,093
Speaker 13: then you don't you sort of lose that connection a

880
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:37,773
Speaker 13: little bit with it. So, you know, I think for

881
00:45:37,893 --> 00:45:40,773
Speaker 13: a long time, more and more digital work was being used,

882
00:45:41,373 --> 00:45:43,573
Speaker 13: and I think that's been sort of slowly sort of

883
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:47,493
Speaker 13: pared back in collaboration with all the practical work so

884
00:45:47,613 --> 00:45:49,693
Speaker 13: that you do get the best of both worlds.

885
00:45:50,213 --> 00:45:52,853
Speaker 2: You said that most of the time people watching movies

886
00:45:52,973 --> 00:45:56,493
Speaker 2: don't notice, and you said earlier that good visual effects

887
00:45:56,573 --> 00:45:59,293
Speaker 2: are usually invisible, but they might be invisible to someone

888
00:45:59,413 --> 00:46:01,693
Speaker 2: like me. What's it like for you going to the

889
00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:03,973
Speaker 2: movies and watching someone else's work, do you find yourself

890
00:46:04,013 --> 00:46:06,213
Speaker 2: constantly critiquing the visual effects?

891
00:46:07,213 --> 00:46:09,693
Speaker 13: I yeah, it depends like it depends on the movie.

892
00:46:10,373 --> 00:46:12,853
Speaker 13: And I always think this is a testament to how

893
00:46:13,653 --> 00:46:14,493
Speaker 13: good the film is.

894
00:46:14,653 --> 00:46:14,693
Speaker 15: Is.

895
00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:17,213
Speaker 13: If I'm sitting there totally engrossed in the story and

896
00:46:17,253 --> 00:46:19,133
Speaker 13: the work is flying by and I haven't paid any

897
00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:21,573
Speaker 13: attention to it, then I know it's a great film.

898
00:46:22,173 --> 00:46:24,653
Speaker 13: If I'm sitting there studying the work that's been done,

899
00:46:24,693 --> 00:46:27,533
Speaker 13: then obviously it's not got my attention.

900
00:46:27,733 --> 00:46:27,933
Speaker 5: Yeah.

901
00:46:28,133 --> 00:46:30,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it must happen sometimes, and you must have

902
00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:32,173
Speaker 2: a much more discerning eye for it than you know,

903
00:46:32,253 --> 00:46:33,973
Speaker 2: the average punter going along to the movies.

904
00:46:34,653 --> 00:46:37,213
Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, Yeah. There's certain films which I you know,

905
00:46:37,373 --> 00:46:39,173
Speaker 13: I just haven't been able to watch property and in

906
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:40,973
Speaker 13: particular ones that I've worked on as well. You know,

907
00:46:41,133 --> 00:46:44,453
Speaker 13: that's the most impossible thing to watch objectively. You just

908
00:46:44,573 --> 00:46:46,533
Speaker 13: end up looking at the things that you'd wish you'd done.

909
00:46:46,653 --> 00:46:46,813
Speaker 5: You know.

910
00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:49,573
Speaker 2: It does it change when it's on a big screen

911
00:46:49,613 --> 00:46:52,413
Speaker 2: as well? Like there what you know, if you're looking

912
00:46:52,493 --> 00:46:54,253
Speaker 2: at something in an edit suite and maybe you've got

913
00:46:54,253 --> 00:46:57,173
Speaker 2: a couple of computer monitors, well, you can. I'm just

914
00:46:58,173 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 2: imagining here that it might be easier to look at

915
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:02,653
Speaker 2: a tiny blemish or something that's not quite perfect and say, oh, well,

916
00:47:02,693 --> 00:47:04,453
Speaker 2: that's not that noticeable. But then when you put it

917
00:47:04,573 --> 00:47:07,173
Speaker 2: up on a screen that's sixty five across, it's kind

918
00:47:07,173 --> 00:47:08,013
Speaker 2: of a different experience.

919
00:47:09,173 --> 00:47:09,933
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we do.

920
00:47:10,173 --> 00:47:12,653
Speaker 13: We do actually view stuff throughout the whole process, some

921
00:47:12,933 --> 00:47:16,773
Speaker 13: pretty big screens for this reason. But one thing, when

922
00:47:16,853 --> 00:47:20,173
Speaker 13: we finished touching the work, you know, it hasn't had

923
00:47:20,173 --> 00:47:23,453
Speaker 13: the final color adjustments done to it. The sound isn't

924
00:47:23,453 --> 00:47:25,773
Speaker 13: there yet. There's still a lot more that happens afterwards,

925
00:47:26,253 --> 00:47:28,613
Speaker 13: and so you know, when you actually see the work

926
00:47:28,653 --> 00:47:32,693
Speaker 13: in the context of the film and not looping over

927
00:47:32,813 --> 00:47:35,653
Speaker 13: on repeat, you know, you see it fly by. With

928
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:38,013
Speaker 13: all of the additional work that comes from the sound

929
00:47:38,533 --> 00:47:42,293
Speaker 13: and post production teams. A lot of things you obsess

930
00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:45,213
Speaker 13: over didn't actually matter that much in the end, And

931
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:48,413
Speaker 13: sometimes some detail that you didn't think mattered that you're like, oh, man,

932
00:47:49,933 --> 00:47:50,853
Speaker 13: more attention to that.

933
00:47:51,373 --> 00:47:52,933
Speaker 2: So tell us, tell us how you got involved with

934
00:47:53,013 --> 00:47:53,413
Speaker 2: better Man.

935
00:47:54,973 --> 00:47:59,493
Speaker 13: So we were doing some pre visualization work. But weather,

936
00:47:59,613 --> 00:48:03,973
Speaker 13: which is typically a process that happens before you shoot.

937
00:48:04,053 --> 00:48:04,813
Speaker 5: It's you doing.

938
00:48:05,053 --> 00:48:05,893
Speaker 6: You do it in the computer.

939
00:48:06,013 --> 00:48:09,853
Speaker 13: It's a very quick and cost effective way of working

940
00:48:09,933 --> 00:48:13,453
Speaker 13: out what your shots look like, the camera angles, what

941
00:48:13,573 --> 00:48:16,453
Speaker 13: the action should be, and you can try lots of

942
00:48:16,493 --> 00:48:19,693
Speaker 13: things out quite quickly. And so they did. The ten

943
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:22,853
Speaker 13: musical sequences in the movie were all pre visualized before

944
00:48:22,893 --> 00:48:27,573
Speaker 13: we started shooting, and it comes very cost heavy to

945
00:48:27,653 --> 00:48:31,013
Speaker 13: try and do that on the day when you're actually

946
00:48:31,013 --> 00:48:33,973
Speaker 13: trying to film. And so after seeing a couple of

947
00:48:34,013 --> 00:48:36,893
Speaker 13: those sequences, I read the script and that was me.

948
00:48:37,653 --> 00:48:39,853
Speaker 13: I was all in at that point to want to

949
00:48:39,933 --> 00:48:41,173
Speaker 13: take on the challenge.

950
00:48:40,893 --> 00:48:44,493
Speaker 2: Because it's such a unique film. I I think I

951
00:48:44,533 --> 00:48:46,333
Speaker 2: think most of our audience will will have seen it,

952
00:48:46,453 --> 00:48:47,893
Speaker 2: or will at the very least be aware of it.

953
00:48:47,933 --> 00:48:50,453
Speaker 2: I just remember when I first saw the trailer and

954
00:48:50,773 --> 00:48:54,093
Speaker 2: I was like, hang on, there's an ape. Robbie Williams

955
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:56,573
Speaker 2: is being played by an ape. Said it was kind

956
00:48:56,573 --> 00:49:01,933
Speaker 2: of like a second take. Did you have the same experience, No, I.

957
00:49:01,933 --> 00:49:04,733
Speaker 13: Mean I grew up in the nineties and I was

958
00:49:04,813 --> 00:49:08,133
Speaker 13: around Robi's career the whole time. Are very familiar with

959
00:49:09,173 --> 00:49:11,853
Speaker 13: the backdrop of which the movie takes place and him

960
00:49:11,893 --> 00:49:13,653
Speaker 13: as a character, and it just it was just a

961
00:49:13,773 --> 00:49:17,133
Speaker 13: natural fit. The other thing I find with a lot

962
00:49:17,173 --> 00:49:19,733
Speaker 13: of musical biopics is they typically cast an actor who

963
00:49:20,453 --> 00:49:23,373
Speaker 13: looks similar, or they make them look similar through hair

964
00:49:23,453 --> 00:49:25,813
Speaker 13: and makeup, but they're never quite there. There was like,

965
00:49:26,013 --> 00:49:28,933
Speaker 13: you know, like a very close replica of that person,

966
00:49:29,173 --> 00:49:31,493
Speaker 13: and sometimes it can actually bump you out of the

967
00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:36,213
Speaker 13: film a little bit. By making Robbie an ape in

968
00:49:36,333 --> 00:49:41,093
Speaker 13: the film, you can see, yeah, I mean, we were

969
00:49:41,253 --> 00:49:46,053
Speaker 13: very faithful to the costumes that he wore, the hairstars

970
00:49:46,093 --> 00:49:49,053
Speaker 13: that he had. You know, everything is anchored in reality,

971
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:53,293
Speaker 13: but the actual physical look of Robbie is very removed

972
00:49:53,333 --> 00:49:54,333
Speaker 13: from the real Robert.

973
00:49:54,373 --> 00:49:56,853
Speaker 2: It's such a good point. I'm speaking with Luke Miller

974
00:49:56,973 --> 00:50:00,733
Speaker 2: from Wheater Effects about his job and specifically about his

975
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:04,573
Speaker 2: role on the Robbie Williams biopic Better Man. There's that

976
00:50:04,693 --> 00:50:06,813
Speaker 2: one scene. I've got to ask you about the scene

977
00:50:06,853 --> 00:50:10,813
Speaker 2: for Rock DJ. So we've got the numbers here. Three

978
00:50:10,973 --> 00:50:15,653
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four frames, five digital costume changes, fifty dancers,

979
00:50:16,053 --> 00:50:18,653
Speaker 2: all filmed on location on Regent Street. I think it

980
00:50:18,733 --> 00:50:20,733
Speaker 2: seems like three and a half minutes long. How did

981
00:50:20,773 --> 00:50:22,253
Speaker 2: you go about a challenge like that?

982
00:50:23,453 --> 00:50:24,973
Speaker 13: I was going to say I think it's five hundred

983
00:50:25,093 --> 00:50:26,173
Speaker 13: dances we had and.

984
00:50:27,053 --> 00:50:32,093
Speaker 2: Five hundred okay, yeah, So we'd.

985
00:50:31,893 --> 00:50:35,653
Speaker 13: Obviously planned out meticulously where we were going to go.

986
00:50:35,853 --> 00:50:39,173
Speaker 13: We'd pre visualize the whole move. We'd figured out where

987
00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:41,613
Speaker 13: we could actually physically move a camera down the street,

988
00:50:42,293 --> 00:50:47,333
Speaker 13: and we rehearsed for four days straight in a sort

989
00:50:47,333 --> 00:50:49,693
Speaker 13: of aircraft hangar. It is the only place that was

990
00:50:49,693 --> 00:50:51,573
Speaker 13: big enough that we could sort of tape out Regent

991
00:50:51,613 --> 00:50:54,653
Speaker 13: Street on the floor to practice where everyone needed to be.

992
00:50:55,653 --> 00:50:59,333
Speaker 13: And then we shot for four nights straight in doing

993
00:50:59,573 --> 00:51:03,933
Speaker 13: the different sections. And you know, there's so many variables

994
00:51:04,013 --> 00:51:07,613
Speaker 13: in a shot like that, you know, there's there's certain

995
00:51:07,693 --> 00:51:11,373
Speaker 13: things like one example is the pogo sticks the boys take.

996
00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:14,853
Speaker 13: That boys all had to learn how to pogo stick

997
00:51:15,013 --> 00:51:18,413
Speaker 13: in sync to the music at a particular time, and

998
00:51:19,213 --> 00:51:23,373
Speaker 13: that stuff can't be can't be fixed after the fact

999
00:51:23,453 --> 00:51:26,453
Speaker 13: in post. That has to happen on the street in

1000
00:51:26,533 --> 00:51:28,853
Speaker 13: front of the camera. And so it was very typical

1001
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:31,373
Speaker 13: for every single night for us to do over forty

1002
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:34,733
Speaker 13: takes for each section to be able to then stitch

1003
00:51:34,773 --> 00:51:36,373
Speaker 13: it together to make the oner.

1004
00:51:36,653 --> 00:51:42,053
Speaker 2: It's just like a fantastical logistical operation, but it's just

1005
00:51:42,253 --> 00:51:45,013
Speaker 2: all of these different kind of components and dynamics that

1006
00:51:45,053 --> 00:51:48,053
Speaker 2: you have to somehow coordinate to pull off something like

1007
00:51:48,133 --> 00:51:50,373
Speaker 2: that is kind of extraordinary, but pull it off.

1008
00:51:50,453 --> 00:51:50,693
Speaker 4: You did.

1009
00:51:50,893 --> 00:51:53,813
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your Oscar nomination this year.

1010
00:51:53,813 --> 00:51:54,093
Speaker 14: How was that?

1011
00:51:55,333 --> 00:51:55,453
Speaker 5: Oh?

1012
00:51:55,533 --> 00:51:59,333
Speaker 13: That was an incredible experience. That was you know, better

1013
00:51:59,413 --> 00:52:03,493
Speaker 13: Man was definitely one of the outside movies I think

1014
00:52:04,693 --> 00:52:08,773
Speaker 13: in the in the race, and you know, it was

1015
00:52:08,973 --> 00:52:12,493
Speaker 13: very It was very proud and a humbling moment for

1016
00:52:13,973 --> 00:52:19,213
Speaker 13: on that stage one and represent all the work that

1017
00:52:19,293 --> 00:52:22,373
Speaker 13: all the artists, production, everyone had put into it. Obviously

1018
00:52:22,413 --> 00:52:24,133
Speaker 13: I would have loved to have gone one step further

1019
00:52:24,293 --> 00:52:28,533
Speaker 13: and won, but you know, even even just getting nominated

1020
00:52:28,693 --> 00:52:29,213
Speaker 13: was incredible.

1021
00:52:29,333 --> 00:52:31,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. So where do you see the

1022
00:52:32,293 --> 00:52:34,693
Speaker 2: kind of field going? Are we heading towards a world

1023
00:52:34,733 --> 00:52:36,893
Speaker 2: where you can just go to a computer and type

1024
00:52:36,973 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 2: in a prompt and basically it'll have the perfect metia

1025
00:52:40,213 --> 00:52:41,173
Speaker 2: or crashing towards Earth?

1026
00:52:43,053 --> 00:52:46,093
Speaker 13: I think that will there is a possibility that that

1027
00:52:46,853 --> 00:52:49,733
Speaker 13: world exists. But the problem is is that you still

1028
00:52:49,893 --> 00:52:53,653
Speaker 13: need to tell stories. And you know, one thing I find,

1029
00:52:53,813 --> 00:52:57,533
Speaker 13: especially with AI, is it can only draw on what

1030
00:52:57,653 --> 00:53:00,333
Speaker 13: exists in the world up unto that point. Right, it

1031
00:53:00,453 --> 00:53:02,853
Speaker 13: can't come up with new ideas, and so you still

1032
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:07,253
Speaker 13: need people to tell real come up with stories and

1033
00:53:07,773 --> 00:53:10,853
Speaker 13: to tell real ideas. I mean, I think one area

1034
00:53:10,973 --> 00:53:13,973
Speaker 13: it's grateful is sort of doing some of the menial

1035
00:53:14,093 --> 00:53:17,773
Speaker 13: tasks within the visual effects space, the stuff which you know,

1036
00:53:17,893 --> 00:53:20,453
Speaker 13: people get very frustrated with monotonous tasks that you just

1037
00:53:20,493 --> 00:53:23,173
Speaker 13: do over and over again. Absolutely, we'll give that to

1038
00:53:23,253 --> 00:53:26,693
Speaker 13: the machines. But I think we'll always need human beings

1039
00:53:26,773 --> 00:53:28,053
Speaker 13: to tell stories.

1040
00:53:28,173 --> 00:53:30,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. So look at such a pleasure to

1041
00:53:30,653 --> 00:53:32,413
Speaker 2: speak with you. Thank you so much for giving us

1042
00:53:32,413 --> 00:53:34,853
Speaker 2: your time, and congratulations on the success of better Man.

1043
00:53:35,733 --> 00:53:36,053
Speaker 5: Awesome.

1044
00:53:36,133 --> 00:53:36,613
Speaker 3: Thank you Jack.

1045
00:53:36,893 --> 00:53:39,893
Speaker 2: That is Luke Miller from Wetter Effects. He was nominated

1046
00:53:39,933 --> 00:53:43,173
Speaker 2: for an Oscar for his work on better Man. A

1047
00:53:43,333 --> 00:53:45,973
Speaker 2: visual effects supervisor. Sounds like a hell of a job.

1048
00:53:46,053 --> 00:53:48,013
Speaker 2: Bay And if you missed out on seeing the oscar

1049
00:53:48,093 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 2: nominated better Man in Cinema's good news. It's going to

1050
00:53:50,613 --> 00:53:53,973
Speaker 2: be on Neon from the twenty sixth of July. So

1051
00:53:54,093 --> 00:53:56,893
Speaker 2: a week today better Man will hit Neon will have

1052
00:53:56,933 --> 00:53:59,013
Speaker 2: all the details on the news talks he'd be websites

1053
00:53:59,253 --> 00:54:01,173
Speaker 2: before eleven o'clock. We're in the garden and we're going

1054
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Speaker 2: to catch up with our resident doctor about we go VI.

1055
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Speaker 2: This is one of those new so I don't want

1056
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Speaker 2: to say miracle drugs, but it's being heralded by some

1057
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1058
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1059
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1060
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Speaker 2: not publicly funded. But he's going to talk to us

1061
00:54:22,453 --> 00:54:26,213
Speaker 2: a little bit about how the likes of wegov actually work,

1062
00:54:26,453 --> 00:54:28,773
Speaker 2: some of the side effects, some of the potential benefits

1063
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Speaker 2: as well, So he'll be with us very shortly. Next up, though,

1064
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Speaker 5: As you say.

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Speaker 16: It stars Eric Banner and Sam Neil, and it's about

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Speaker 16: a murder that takes place in the Yosemite National Park

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Speaker 16: in California. And Eric Banner plays a special agent, Kyle Turner.

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Speaker 16: He's basically a park ranger but with police powers, and

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Speaker 16: he's responsible for solving the mystery of a body that

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Speaker 16: falls from our Capitan mountain in the park. Samuil plays

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Speaker 16: his boss. They are longtime friends. But Kyle is your

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Speaker 16: typical grumpy but brilliant detective with an ex.

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Speaker 6: Wife and a drinking problem.

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Speaker 16: And so the setup of the show is quite familiar

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Speaker 16: and similar to a lot of other TV murder mysteries.

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Speaker 16: But Eric Banner is so good in this I'll watch

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Speaker 16: anything that Sam Neil is in. And the setting of

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Speaker 16: the National Park is so beautiful and remote, and the

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Speaker 16: scale of the landscape and the photography and this is

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Speaker 16: really impressive. So it's those things that make this shows

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Speaker 16: and out and makes it worth watching. And it's all

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00:56:09,013 --> 00:56:11,973
Speaker 16: about that idea that the rangers can only really know

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Speaker 16: a small piece of this huge national park, and there's

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Speaker 16: so much wilderness and potential for danger out there that

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Speaker 16: they can't control. So you know, it is a little

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Speaker 16: bit formulaic at times, but still a very watchable, really

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Speaker 16: enjoyable series.

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Speaker 2: Cool Okay, that's untamed. It's on Netflix. Also on Netflix,

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Speaker 2: Sneaky Pete.

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Speaker 16: Yes, Sneaky Pete. This isn't a new show. It came

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00:56:31,973 --> 00:56:33,973
Speaker 16: out in twenty seventeen, but it's just come on to

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Speaker 16: Netflix for the first time in the last week and

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Speaker 16: all three seasons are there now. This is a great

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00:56:39,733 --> 00:56:43,613
Speaker 16: drama that stars Giovanni Rabisi and he plays Marius. Marius

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00:56:43,853 --> 00:56:46,013
Speaker 16: is a con man who gets out of prison but

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00:56:46,173 --> 00:56:48,773
Speaker 16: can't return to his old life because his enemies are

1112
00:56:48,813 --> 00:56:52,293
Speaker 16: still after him, so he assumes the identity of his

1113
00:56:52,493 --> 00:56:55,813
Speaker 16: prison cellmate, Pete, and he goes to stay with Pete's

1114
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Speaker 16: long lost family, who haven't seen Pete for decades. They

1115
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Speaker 16: happily welcome Pete back into the fold and welcoming back

1116
00:57:03,533 --> 00:57:06,373
Speaker 16: into the family, but Pete's family has their own sects

1117
00:57:06,693 --> 00:57:10,253
Speaker 16: and their own issues. That means Marius could be in

1118
00:57:10,373 --> 00:57:13,493
Speaker 16: as much danger with Pete's family as in his old life,

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Speaker 16: and the show is about Marius sort of moving between

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Speaker 16: those two lives and those two different worlds, trying to

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Speaker 16: stay in hiding while also trying not to blow his

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Speaker 16: cover with Pete's family. And what I liked about this was,

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Speaker 16: even though that plot sounds kind of far fetched, the

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00:57:28,173 --> 00:57:31,213
Speaker 16: show itself is very straightforward and entertaining. It's not trying

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Speaker 16: to do anything too clever. It's about family and relationships

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Speaker 16: and the lies that we all tell. Marius is a

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Speaker 16: likable rogue. You're always on his side and it's a

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Speaker 16: lot of fun. You just have to suspend belief for

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Speaker 16: a bit and just kind of go along for the.

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Speaker 2: Right nice cool, that's Sneaky Pete. It's on Netflix as well,

1131
00:57:48,493 --> 00:57:50,053
Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to this one on three Now

1132
00:57:50,253 --> 00:57:51,333
Speaker 2: tell us about Game on?

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00:57:52,453 --> 00:57:54,413
Speaker 16: Yeah, I love this one. You might remember a TV

1134
00:57:54,493 --> 00:57:56,653
Speaker 16: series from a couple of years ago called Match Fit Yees,

1135
00:57:57,213 --> 00:57:59,773
Speaker 16: a New Zealand sports dock YOUU series that had a

1136
00:57:59,853 --> 00:58:02,493
Speaker 16: former rugby and league players come back and get fit

1137
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Speaker 16: and play in a tournament.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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00:58:04,773 --> 00:58:07,493
Speaker 16: Game on is the netbook version of that. Basically, it

1140
00:58:07,613 --> 00:58:11,813
Speaker 16: takes several former silver Ferns like Irene Van Dyke, Aidan Wilson,

1141
00:58:11,973 --> 00:58:15,173
Speaker 16: Casey corpor Tima Patter Bailey and puts them back on

1142
00:58:15,253 --> 00:58:18,013
Speaker 16: the court to train and play in a netball tournament

1143
00:58:18,093 --> 00:58:21,413
Speaker 16: against other former internationals. And some of these women haven't

1144
00:58:21,413 --> 00:58:25,173
Speaker 16: played netball for years and so they are as competitive

1145
00:58:25,213 --> 00:58:27,773
Speaker 16: as ever and as passionate for the sport as ever,

1146
00:58:28,533 --> 00:58:30,333
Speaker 16: but they're on their forties and fifties now and they've

1147
00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:33,013
Speaker 16: got a bit of work to do. They're also teaming

1148
00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:37,053
Speaker 16: up with some a group of promising young teenage netballers

1149
00:58:37,093 --> 00:58:40,093
Speaker 16: and mentoring them through the show. So there's a really

1150
00:58:40,173 --> 00:58:42,773
Speaker 16: lovely connection there to the next generation of players that

1151
00:58:42,813 --> 00:58:45,053
Speaker 16: are coming through. And I just watched this with a

1152
00:58:45,093 --> 00:58:47,893
Speaker 16: big smile on my face. They look back at what

1153
00:58:48,053 --> 00:58:50,253
Speaker 16: it took for them to play top level sport while

1154
00:58:50,333 --> 00:58:55,213
Speaker 16: also having babies and jobs and families. It's a sort

1155
00:58:55,213 --> 00:58:57,613
Speaker 16: of a celebration of the friendships that they've made along

1156
00:58:57,653 --> 00:59:00,773
Speaker 16: the way, and now they're all back together again facing

1157
00:59:00,853 --> 00:59:04,533
Speaker 16: this new challenge. It's really inspiring and a very heart woman.

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Speaker 2: Watching this is great. So I love match First, I

1159
00:59:07,533 --> 00:59:09,253
Speaker 2: just thought, mat sure, it was such a good show,

1160
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Speaker 2: and do you reckon this compares quite favorably.

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Speaker 10: Yes, definitely.

1162
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Speaker 16: And I think it's their vulnerability that they're putting themselves

1163
00:59:17,493 --> 00:59:19,973
Speaker 16: back out there, you know, And they talk about how

1164
00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,893
Speaker 16: their mind wants them to get up in the air

1165
00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:23,453
Speaker 16: and just sit that ball, but their body is not

1166
00:59:23,533 --> 00:59:26,173
Speaker 16: quite as willing anymore. And you know, they there's a

1167
00:59:26,213 --> 00:59:28,133
Speaker 16: sort of a braveness to that about putting them back

1168
00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:30,973
Speaker 16: out in the public eye and putting their bodies on

1169
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Speaker 16: the line again.

1170
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Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, cool, that sounds like a bit

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Speaker 2: of me. Game On is on three now, Sneaky Pete

1172
00:59:36,373 --> 00:59:39,213
Speaker 2: and Untamed, Untames, the one with Eric Banner and Sam Neil.

1173
00:59:39,253 --> 00:59:41,053
Speaker 2: Both of those are on Netflix. Will have all of

1174
00:59:41,133 --> 00:59:43,333
Speaker 2: the details for those three shows on the News Talks

1175
00:59:43,373 --> 00:59:46,053
Speaker 2: ib website. Thank you so much, Tara, Catch you again

1176
00:59:46,173 --> 00:59:49,093
Speaker 2: very soon. Right now, it is ten thirty.

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Speaker 3: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talksb's just light.

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Speaker 3: You were.

1180
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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 2: We do our best on this program to bring you

1182
01:00:26,973 --> 01:00:29,613
Speaker 2: something a little new from time to time, something a

1183
01:00:29,653 --> 01:00:33,053
Speaker 2: little quirky, a little funky, a little sci fi infused,

1184
01:00:33,173 --> 01:00:38,013
Speaker 2: a little bit mysterious. Even so, this is Polar Extremes.

1185
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Speaker 2: If you were heavily involved in the underground music scenes

1186
01:00:41,813 --> 01:00:44,613
Speaker 2: in New Zealand in the nineteen nineties, then you, I'm

1187
01:00:44,693 --> 01:00:48,013
Speaker 2: sure will have heard of Polar Extremes and this is

1188
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Speaker 2: what our music reviewer has chosen to play for us

1189
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Speaker 2: this week. If you like me, though, this might be

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Speaker 2: the first time you've ever heard of Polar Extremes. Sound

1191
01:00:56,573 --> 01:00:58,613
Speaker 2: interesting though, way are. They are a band kind of

1192
01:00:58,773 --> 01:01:04,453
Speaker 2: surrounded in mystery and quite purposefully restrained in their online presence.

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01:01:04,493 --> 01:01:06,813
Speaker 2: What we do know is the band we're a bit

1194
01:01:06,813 --> 01:01:09,293
Speaker 2: of a fixture on the underground scene way back when

1195
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Speaker 2: when regular eclectic performances across Wellington were a thing. They

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Speaker 2: are headed by an eccentriant auteur known as Quaint, and

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Speaker 2: the album they dropped this week has been in the

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01:01:21,213 --> 01:01:24,653
Speaker 2: works for decades. So yeah, something a little bit different

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Speaker 2: the Stele Clifford's our music revers She's going to join

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Speaker 2: us before midday to give us a bit more clarity

1201
01:01:28,573 --> 01:01:30,893
Speaker 2: about who Pollock Streames actually are and what we can

1202
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Speaker 2: expect from their debut album. It's called Strange Visions Number one.

1203
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Speaker 2: I think all strange Vision Vision's Volume one. Maybe anyway,

1204
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Speaker 2: we're going to have a bit more of a listen

1205
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Speaker 2: to that before midday, so yeah, very much looking forward

1206
01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:46,933
Speaker 2: to that. There's something a little bit different, to say

1207
01:01:46,933 --> 01:01:49,653
Speaker 2: the least. Very shortly, our doctor's going to join us

1208
01:01:49,733 --> 01:01:51,853
Speaker 2: with his thoughts and a bit more information about we

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01:01:52,093 --> 01:01:54,453
Speaker 2: go VI as it becomes available in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: next up our Textbert is in twenty five to eleven.

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Speaker 3: Digging into the issues that affect you the mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 17: The best advice I offer anyone, in fact, including our kids,

1213
01:02:05,853 --> 01:02:08,613
Speaker 17: do it yourself. It's your life, your decision, your future.

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01:02:08,733 --> 01:02:11,493
Speaker 17: Do it yourself. This is the cost plus accounting that

1215
01:02:11,613 --> 01:02:15,453
Speaker 17: goes on and it's in power, it's in rates, it's

1216
01:02:15,493 --> 01:02:18,573
Speaker 17: in insurance. We need to look and learn and then

1217
01:02:18,653 --> 01:02:20,573
Speaker 17: get our act together and apply a bit of basic

1218
01:02:20,613 --> 01:02:23,813
Speaker 17: discipline to our long term futures that doesn't rely on

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01:02:23,893 --> 01:02:27,253
Speaker 17: the government. Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 17: Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three to eleven on News Talks EDB. Every week

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Speaker 2: AI seems to get better and chat. GPT how now

1223
01:02:37,573 --> 01:02:41,453
Speaker 2: has a new function that extends beyond the basic inputs.

1224
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Speaker 2: When it comes to the large language models, our textbot,

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Speaker 2: Paul Steinhouse is here to put it in normal English

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01:02:46,533 --> 01:02:47,373
Speaker 2: for us. What does it mean?

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Speaker 5: Paul? Yeah, maybe I should have just asked chet GPT

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Speaker 5: to do that for me.

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01:02:51,133 --> 01:02:54,973
Speaker 18: Shouldn't I please explain everything you're actually doing in normal language. No,

1230
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Speaker 18: there's a new word in the AI world, Jack that's

1231
01:02:58,453 --> 01:03:02,693
Speaker 18: taking storm, and I think chat GPT is kind of

1232
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Speaker 18: leaning into this.

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Speaker 19: It's the agent, right.

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Speaker 18: The agent is sort of the next phase of this

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Speaker 18: AI evolution, and it's where instead of just you sitting

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01:03:12,053 --> 01:03:14,653
Speaker 18: there and typing something into the thing and coming back

1237
01:03:14,773 --> 01:03:17,973
Speaker 18: with something, you can say, do a thing and it

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01:03:18,013 --> 01:03:22,013
Speaker 18: will go away and it will actually take steps and

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Speaker 18: think and be able to do a whole series of

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Speaker 18: tasks all on its own, and multi step things too.

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Speaker 18: And so we'll open ayes now release to these new

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01:03:32,733 --> 01:03:34,813
Speaker 18: agents on their paid plans. They're coming to the free

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Speaker 18: plan soon. But this is the sort of thing that

1244
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Speaker 18: you're going to be able to do, right, So you

1245
01:03:39,453 --> 01:03:42,533
Speaker 18: could give it just a bunch of information that could

1246
01:03:42,573 --> 01:03:46,573
Speaker 18: be just like PDFs or emails or spreadsheets, all the

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Speaker 18: kind of things. Maybe from you my documents folder at work,

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01:03:50,293 --> 01:03:53,093
Speaker 18: you throw it in there, and you say, okay, I

1249
01:03:53,253 --> 01:03:56,093
Speaker 18: need you to find the narrative, the insights across all

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Speaker 18: of this information and credit PowerPoint for me, right, and

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01:03:58,973 --> 01:04:01,293
Speaker 18: it will go a It will do it. It doesn't

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01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:04,693
Speaker 18: need the handholding. It does its reasoning, peace and the

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Speaker 18: magic and we'll come back with it type of thing.

1254
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Speaker 18: But the new one, the new agents can even browse

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Speaker 18: the web for you and even take over a virtual

1256
01:04:14,253 --> 01:04:18,013
Speaker 18: computer and truly do things on your behalf. So I

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Speaker 18: was thinking this, would you know, this is maybe not

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01:04:20,733 --> 01:04:24,413
Speaker 18: something you can do tomorrow, but see, we'll see. You

1259
01:04:24,493 --> 01:04:27,533
Speaker 18: could take say a photo of the contents of your fridge.

1260
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Speaker 18: You could give it, you know, oh I like this

1261
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Speaker 18: and I like that, give it some preferences, and then

1262
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Speaker 18: you could tell it to come up with a meal

1263
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Speaker 18: plan a bunch of recipes, and it can even go

1264
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Speaker 18: away and put all that stuff into a cart for

1265
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Speaker 18: you from your favorite supermarket.

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Speaker 2: That is amazing. Yeah, like that is.

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Speaker 5: Now now.

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Speaker 18: It may not be perfect, and it may not be polished,

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Speaker 18: but that is now where we're at in terms of

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Speaker 18: what is possible with AI.

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Speaker 2: It's not just hey, can you do something fun for me?

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, actually need you to can you do

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Speaker 3: my meals?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? What meals?

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Speaker 2: And the point is, I suppose that the stuff is

1276
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Speaker 2: just getting better and better. So even if it isn't

1277
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Speaker 2: perfect and my hundred percent polished right now, it's only

1278
01:05:08,693 --> 01:05:10,293
Speaker 2: going to get better and better. And the more that

1279
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Speaker 2: people feed in information, the faster it will improve.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's how these kind of that's the kind of exponential

1282
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Speaker 2: nature of this AI progress. It's it's kind of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's remarkable and as you will no doubt have expected, Paul,

1284
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Speaker 2: valuations are absolutely skyrocketing for these AI companies.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, because people but that the advancements are happening

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Speaker 18: so fast, like faster than any kind of technology we've

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Speaker 18: kind of seen, and people want to be part of it,

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Speaker 18: I think. And so Bloomberg is reporting that the big

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Speaker 18: open AI chat GPT rival called Anthropic, they are going

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Speaker 18: to be doing apparently some another investment round that could

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Speaker 18: value the company at one hundred billion US dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing that it's just absolutely ridiculous. What do you

1293
01:05:56,533 --> 01:05:58,933
Speaker 2: think the chances are maybe we should spend more time

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01:05:59,013 --> 01:06:00,733
Speaker 2: on this at some point. What do you think the

1295
01:06:00,893 --> 01:06:06,013
Speaker 2: chances are that some of this AI hype is never

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01:06:06,053 --> 01:06:08,733
Speaker 2: going to to fruition, Like, can you put a percentage

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01:06:08,813 --> 01:06:11,893
Speaker 2: number on it? Can you say, you know, maybe thirty

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01:06:11,973 --> 01:06:14,533
Speaker 2: percent of the hype is gonna live up to you know,

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Speaker 2: live up to expectations in the next decade or so.

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Speaker 18: Do you know, I mean it being completely autonomous and

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01:06:21,973 --> 01:06:25,893
Speaker 18: taking a whole bunch of jobs. Maybe not, But there's

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01:06:25,933 --> 01:06:28,373
Speaker 18: actually a pretty good percentage, right. I mean, I've talked

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01:06:28,413 --> 01:06:30,093
Speaker 18: about some of the technology that we've seen kind of

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01:06:30,133 --> 01:06:32,533
Speaker 18: go over the years, Like three DTV was one that

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01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:35,213
Speaker 18: I just never understood and couldn't understand why peoplere getting

1306
01:06:35,213 --> 01:06:37,533
Speaker 18: excited about that sort of thing, Like that's never gonna happen.

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Speaker 18: And then like the NFT whole thing that was happening.

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Speaker 18: I was, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is just the symptom

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01:06:42,613 --> 01:06:44,173
Speaker 18: of an economy trying to work out what to do

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01:06:44,293 --> 01:06:48,293
Speaker 18: with some interesting technology. But this does feel different because,

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01:06:48,533 --> 01:06:51,013
Speaker 18: and I say it feels different because we're not that

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01:06:51,173 --> 01:06:53,413
Speaker 18: far away. Like you can take a photo, like all

1313
01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:56,373
Speaker 18: of those things I mentioned about the recipes and doing

1314
01:06:56,413 --> 01:06:57,173
Speaker 18: the meal plan.

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01:06:57,493 --> 01:06:58,733
Speaker 2: Is all possible today.

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01:06:58,893 --> 01:07:00,453
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not like science fiction.

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01:07:00,733 --> 01:07:01,333
Speaker 2: That's real.

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01:07:01,453 --> 01:07:03,253
Speaker 18: It can you can take a photo and it can

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01:07:03,373 --> 01:07:06,573
Speaker 18: interpret what the items are from your fridge and put

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01:07:06,613 --> 01:07:09,173
Speaker 18: a list. It can take that list and create recipes.

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01:07:09,613 --> 01:07:09,773
Speaker 5: You know.

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01:07:09,893 --> 01:07:12,093
Speaker 18: The bit that it's now doing with the whole browser

1323
01:07:12,133 --> 01:07:14,493
Speaker 18: piece is really cool. Now, how accurate that is. We're

1324
01:07:14,493 --> 01:07:16,053
Speaker 18: going to have to put it through its paces. But

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01:07:16,573 --> 01:07:19,533
Speaker 18: that's like the last link in the chain. Yeah, So

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01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:22,853
Speaker 18: if you imagine that's just like the photo of your fridge,

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01:07:23,733 --> 01:07:25,813
Speaker 18: think about all the things you do each day at work,

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01:07:26,413 --> 01:07:29,293
Speaker 18: think about all the mundane tasks that go on.

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Speaker 5: It's coming for those.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and that's where I think it's that's where I

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01:07:34,453 --> 01:07:36,493
Speaker 18: think that maybe the hype is real.

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Speaker 2: What do they call it Amara's Law?

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01:07:38,253 --> 01:07:38,413
Speaker 6: Right?

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01:07:39,173 --> 01:07:42,253
Speaker 2: Amara's Law concerns the effects of technology and says that

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01:07:42,333 --> 01:07:46,773
Speaker 2: we tend to overestimate, like the effect of technology or

1336
01:07:46,813 --> 01:07:49,013
Speaker 2: the impacts of technology in the short term, but then

1337
01:07:49,173 --> 01:07:52,733
Speaker 2: underestimate in the long term. So yeah, even if just

1338
01:07:53,253 --> 01:07:56,773
Speaker 2: a sliver of the AI hype kind of holds true

1339
01:07:57,213 --> 01:07:59,333
Speaker 2: over the long term, we're in for some profound changes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Paul. Paul Stenhouse is our text bit

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01:08:03,013 --> 01:08:06,013
Speaker 2: with us this morning, eighteen to eleven. The Doctor's in

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Speaker 2: Talk we Gov next on Newstalk's EDB No better way.

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Speaker 1: To kick off your weekend than with Jack, Saturday Mornings

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Speaker 1: with Jacktay and bfew it dot co dot nz for

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Speaker 1: high Quality Supplements used talks MB Well.

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Speaker 2: If AI is drawing a lot of hype, then the

1347
01:08:21,493 --> 01:08:23,773
Speaker 2: new weight loss medications that have taken the world by

1348
01:08:23,893 --> 01:08:26,093
Speaker 2: storm over the last couple of years must be up

1349
01:08:26,173 --> 01:08:29,093
Speaker 2: there on a pretty similar level. Now, one of them,

1350
01:08:29,253 --> 01:08:32,493
Speaker 2: we govy is available in New Zealand, so you've got

1351
01:08:32,573 --> 01:08:36,053
Speaker 2: to get a prescription and it's not subsidized at the stage.

1352
01:08:36,093 --> 01:08:38,693
Speaker 2: But doctor Brian Betty is here with the details this morning.

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01:08:38,773 --> 01:08:39,293
Speaker 2: Kild to Brian.

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01:08:39,933 --> 01:08:41,293
Speaker 14: Oh, Jack, I see here.

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01:08:41,373 --> 01:08:43,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice to chat with you as always. So what's we.

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Speaker 14: Gov look So look at a once weekly injection for

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01:08:48,013 --> 01:08:51,653
Speaker 14: weight loss and it's it's known as a GP one agonist.

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01:08:51,733 --> 01:08:52,893
Speaker 14: That's its its title.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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01:08:53,733 --> 01:08:56,253
Speaker 14: It actually mimics a hormone we have naturally in the

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01:08:56,333 --> 01:09:00,133
Speaker 14: gut and this hormone makes us feel full, reduces our

1362
01:09:00,213 --> 01:09:04,693
Speaker 14: desire to eat, and also controls blood sugars in the blood. Now,

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01:09:04,733 --> 01:09:07,773
Speaker 14: it was originally this medication called semiglue tide, that's what

1364
01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:12,133
Speaker 14: is called its generic name, was developed originally for diabetes,

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01:09:12,653 --> 01:09:15,093
Speaker 14: but in higher doses was found it had this side

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01:09:15,133 --> 01:09:18,093
Speaker 14: effect allowing you to lose weight, and especially at these

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01:09:18,173 --> 01:09:21,973
Speaker 14: higher doses. So we've had this GP one agness for

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01:09:22,053 --> 01:09:25,093
Speaker 14: diabetes in this country for several years now under trade

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01:09:25,173 --> 01:09:27,533
Speaker 14: name Trillicity and the Tosa, and people may be familiar

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01:09:27,573 --> 01:09:30,053
Speaker 14: with that. But there was an interesting thing that happened

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01:09:30,053 --> 01:09:33,133
Speaker 14: in the United States that when this was released as

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01:09:33,173 --> 01:09:36,053
Speaker 14: a medication called a zenpic, which people may be familiar with.

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01:09:36,653 --> 01:09:39,413
Speaker 14: It was essentially hy go be at a lower dosage

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01:09:39,453 --> 01:09:42,293
Speaker 14: and it was used for diabetes. However, people realized it

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01:09:42,373 --> 01:09:44,613
Speaker 14: made them lose weight, so there was a huge amount

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01:09:44,733 --> 01:09:47,813
Speaker 14: of off label use that was prescribed. That was people

1377
01:09:47,893 --> 01:09:50,853
Speaker 14: started prescribing it for weight loss. Now, interesting enough, there

1378
01:09:50,933 --> 01:09:53,253
Speaker 14: was suddenly a global shortage because so much of the

1379
01:09:53,333 --> 01:09:56,093
Speaker 14: stuff has been used, and we've been coping with that

1380
01:09:56,293 --> 01:09:58,773
Speaker 14: for our diabetes medication for the about the last eighteen

1381
01:09:58,813 --> 01:10:03,173
Speaker 14: months two years. However, production worldwide has now lifted, so

1382
01:10:03,293 --> 01:10:06,173
Speaker 14: there's now not a shortage and this medication would go,

1383
01:10:06,493 --> 01:10:09,413
Speaker 14: which is a diabetes medication at a higher dose, is

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01:10:09,493 --> 01:10:10,733
Speaker 14: now available in New Zealand.

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01:10:10,853 --> 01:10:13,653
Speaker 2: So to be totally clear, we gov is the same

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01:10:13,733 --> 01:10:15,573
Speaker 2: as tho zmpic, but just at a higher dose.

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01:10:16,293 --> 01:10:18,973
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's the same medication as those zem pic except

1388
01:10:19,093 --> 01:10:21,773
Speaker 14: at a higher dose. So so that that's a differential.

1389
01:10:21,893 --> 01:10:24,893
Speaker 14: So the lower dose use for diabetes, higher dose once

1390
01:10:24,933 --> 01:10:26,413
Speaker 14: a week used for weight loss.

1391
01:10:26,693 --> 01:10:30,093
Speaker 2: Ah okay, and so you can get it now for

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01:10:30,373 --> 01:10:32,573
Speaker 2: weight loss as well as for diabetes.

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01:10:32,613 --> 01:10:35,773
Speaker 14: In museum, well you know that two things. We use

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01:10:35,773 --> 01:10:38,453
Speaker 14: a medication called Trillicity for weight loss, and again it's

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01:10:38,493 --> 01:10:40,453
Speaker 14: this GP one agaist. It's at a lower dose. We

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01:10:40,613 --> 01:10:42,973
Speaker 14: use that specifically for weight loss, but we're GOV is

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01:10:43,173 --> 01:10:46,453
Speaker 14: only used specifically for diabetes. Sorry, we're GOV is only

1398
01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:47,933
Speaker 14: used for weight loss, not diabetes.

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01:10:48,013 --> 01:10:50,013
Speaker 2: So we're GOV. You have a higher dose, use it

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01:10:50,093 --> 01:10:53,813
Speaker 2: once a week. Trillicity is for diabetes, and you use

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01:10:53,893 --> 01:10:55,493
Speaker 2: that or more regularly lower dose.

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01:10:55,653 --> 01:10:58,373
Speaker 14: And that that's also what we call a GP one agonist, right,

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01:10:58,533 --> 01:11:00,653
Speaker 14: that's okay, we'll be familiar with. So so yeah, so

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01:11:00,813 --> 01:11:02,053
Speaker 14: higher dose, that's the key.

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01:11:01,933 --> 01:11:03,973
Speaker 2: Thing and to the and to to how it works.

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01:11:04,093 --> 01:11:06,853
Speaker 2: So it obviously kind of stops you create things. It

1407
01:11:06,973 --> 01:11:12,453
Speaker 2: has that impact, but it also has the physiological impact

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01:11:12,613 --> 01:11:14,533
Speaker 2: of controlling sugars in the blood.

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01:11:14,933 --> 01:11:16,733
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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01:11:17,013 --> 01:11:19,613
Speaker 2: So if we if we would only have one of those,

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01:11:20,733 --> 01:11:23,613
Speaker 2: it would still have some impact, but presumably, but because

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01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:26,693
Speaker 2: it kind of has that two tiered approach, it's particularly effective.

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01:11:27,573 --> 01:11:29,853
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. So you do get a

1414
01:11:29,893 --> 01:11:32,933
Speaker 14: little bit of weight loss and those lower dose medications, However,

1415
01:11:32,973 --> 01:11:34,973
Speaker 14: when you use this higher dose, you tend to get

1416
01:11:35,013 --> 01:11:37,613
Speaker 14: a larger weight loss and actually at the higher dose

1417
01:11:37,653 --> 01:11:41,253
Speaker 14: of the diabetes affick wears off. So so it's specifically

1418
01:11:41,333 --> 01:11:43,013
Speaker 14: at this dosage used for weight loss.

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01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:47,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, all right, So is if we're

1420
01:11:48,093 --> 01:11:50,653
Speaker 2: focus on the obesity side of things, to what extent

1421
01:11:51,013 --> 01:11:54,013
Speaker 2: is obesity a problem in New Zealand and why medication

1422
01:11:54,133 --> 01:11:58,093
Speaker 2: shouldn't we just you know, eat better, move more, you know,

1423
01:11:58,213 --> 01:12:01,133
Speaker 2: consider some of the environmental impacts, some of the economic impacts.

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01:12:01,173 --> 01:12:05,573
Speaker 14: Maybe, yeah, yeah, So look to your first question. Yes,

1425
01:12:05,653 --> 01:12:07,613
Speaker 14: we do have a the New Zealand with ab CD.

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Speaker 14: It is a major health issue. We estimate about thirty

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01:12:10,893 --> 01:12:13,133
Speaker 14: percent of the population or a third of the population

1428
01:12:14,093 --> 01:12:16,693
Speaker 14: could be classified as a beese or overweight and that

1429
01:12:16,853 --> 01:12:19,253
Speaker 14: is a major cost to the economy. It costs about

1430
01:12:19,333 --> 01:12:21,853
Speaker 14: two billion dollars a year and associated costs such as

1431
01:12:21,933 --> 01:12:26,613
Speaker 14: cardiovascular disease and diabetes, which are often associated with being overweight,

1432
01:12:26,733 --> 01:12:28,693
Speaker 14: so it is a big, big issue in New Zealand.

1433
01:12:29,453 --> 01:12:34,493
Speaker 14: Now you're right, good diet exercise is critically important in

1434
01:12:34,573 --> 01:12:37,533
Speaker 14: weight loss and for overall health, so there's no doubt

1435
01:12:37,573 --> 01:12:41,013
Speaker 14: about it. However, once your BMI gets up above that

1436
01:12:41,173 --> 01:12:44,413
Speaker 14: thirty mark, it can often be very very hard to

1437
01:12:44,493 --> 01:12:49,173
Speaker 14: lose weight despite lifestyle, and that's for a number of reasons.

1438
01:12:49,213 --> 01:12:53,653
Speaker 14: It's due to genetics, metabolism. Everyone's slightly different with us

1439
01:12:53,693 --> 01:12:55,933
Speaker 14: and for anyone who's tried to lose weight, they'll know

1440
01:12:55,973 --> 01:12:57,813
Speaker 14: what I'm talking about that it can be very very

1441
01:12:58,333 --> 01:13:01,613
Speaker 14: difficult the way the body body is made up, or

1442
01:13:01,733 --> 01:13:06,333
Speaker 14: individual's metabolism is made So what's happened is these medicaid

1443
01:13:06,973 --> 01:13:09,773
Speaker 14: become a sort of I suppose an adjunct something in

1444
01:13:09,813 --> 01:13:13,693
Speaker 14: the toolbox which can can be beneficial for some people

1445
01:13:13,773 --> 01:13:15,573
Speaker 14: to help them lose weight. Not all people, but some

1446
01:13:15,693 --> 01:13:17,973
Speaker 14: people it can be very very useful. And that's what's

1447
01:13:17,973 --> 01:13:19,453
Speaker 14: sort of happened over the last few years.

1448
01:13:19,573 --> 01:13:22,133
Speaker 2: So the once weekly injection, are they side effects?

1449
01:13:23,013 --> 01:13:23,213
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1450
01:13:23,293 --> 01:13:26,093
Speaker 14: No, there is is it like anything, there is side effects.

1451
01:13:26,693 --> 01:13:28,973
Speaker 14: So once we have the injection, you were just the

1452
01:13:29,053 --> 01:13:31,813
Speaker 14: dose every month, so you start to lower dose and

1453
01:13:31,973 --> 01:13:34,573
Speaker 14: ty trate the dose up every month. Now, the common

1454
01:13:34,613 --> 01:13:36,813
Speaker 14: side effects we find a gastric side effect, so that's

1455
01:13:36,853 --> 01:13:40,653
Speaker 14: things like nausea, bloating, loose bowel motions, and verbing. They

1456
01:13:40,693 --> 01:13:43,093
Speaker 14: tend to be relatively minor and they can be managed

1457
01:13:43,133 --> 01:13:46,973
Speaker 14: by adjusting diet generally. Now, there are some, as always,

1458
01:13:47,013 --> 01:13:50,173
Speaker 14: there are some more serious side effects, and pancreous inflammation

1459
01:13:50,293 --> 01:13:54,093
Speaker 14: can be one. Vowel obstruction it can actually be another.

1460
01:13:54,493 --> 01:13:56,453
Speaker 14: And actually a fast heart rate is another one that's

1461
01:13:56,493 --> 01:14:00,733
Speaker 14: sometimes seen. Now again those are very rare, especially the

1462
01:14:00,773 --> 01:14:03,813
Speaker 14: pancreaus inflammation of owel obstruction, so we shouldn't get too

1463
01:14:03,893 --> 01:14:05,973
Speaker 14: concerned about it, but we need to be aware of them.

1464
01:14:06,493 --> 01:14:10,413
Speaker 14: Most people can take the medication with very few issues.

1465
01:14:10,173 --> 01:14:11,333
Speaker 3: So it's not fine.

1466
01:14:11,533 --> 01:14:13,933
Speaker 2: Right, So it's not funded by fimat costs about five

1467
01:14:14,013 --> 01:14:15,613
Speaker 2: hundred bucks a year. How long do you take it for?

1468
01:14:17,013 --> 01:14:22,933
Speaker 14: Yeah, look so yeah, yeah, six thousand years. So no,

1469
01:14:23,053 --> 01:14:26,373
Speaker 14: they're not funded by expensive Yeah, it is expensive medication,

1470
01:14:26,493 --> 01:14:29,653
Speaker 14: so it's a real consideration. Look, unfortunately, a lot of

1471
01:14:29,693 --> 01:14:32,813
Speaker 14: the studies now show that once if you do lose weight,

1472
01:14:33,013 --> 01:14:36,053
Speaker 14: if you stop the medication, then within two years your

1473
01:14:36,093 --> 01:14:38,253
Speaker 14: weight tends to come back. On the body is very

1474
01:14:38,333 --> 01:14:40,533
Speaker 14: good at putting the weight back on and storing energy.

1475
01:14:40,933 --> 01:14:43,533
Speaker 14: It's pre programmed to do that, so that that's a

1476
01:14:43,693 --> 01:14:46,293
Speaker 14: real issue. Regardless of how we lose weight, that tends

1477
01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:48,933
Speaker 14: to be a problem. So there has been a shift

1478
01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:51,293
Speaker 14: to thinking over the last few years that, look, these

1479
01:14:51,413 --> 01:14:56,253
Speaker 14: medications may be needed to use long term. That that

1480
01:14:56,613 --> 01:14:59,733
Speaker 14: sort of like our diabetes medications or our blood pressure medications.

1481
01:14:59,773 --> 01:15:02,613
Speaker 14: That obesity medications may be a long term chronic care

1482
01:15:02,693 --> 01:15:05,933
Speaker 14: medication that we have to use. And there certainly is

1483
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:09,093
Speaker 14: starting to shift and thinking too that way. However, it

1484
01:15:09,253 --> 01:15:12,453
Speaker 14: is safe to use long term, So that's the issue

1485
01:15:12,493 --> 01:15:14,853
Speaker 14: that let's see, So there's certainly a safe medication for

1486
01:15:14,933 --> 01:15:15,573
Speaker 14: long term use.

1487
01:15:15,733 --> 01:15:18,133
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, Brian, We really appreciate another'd be

1488
01:15:18,173 --> 01:15:20,213
Speaker 2: so much interested in that. Doctor Brian Betty with us

1489
01:15:20,293 --> 01:15:23,213
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Speaker 5: I mean, why you know? Anyway, so I thought let's

1504
01:16:09,653 --> 01:16:09,893
Speaker 5: do that.

1505
01:16:10,253 --> 01:16:13,253
Speaker 19: I did it for teachers basically, and explain that all

1506
01:16:13,373 --> 01:16:15,653
Speaker 19: the creatures on the planet, all birds and all that,

1507
01:16:16,013 --> 01:16:20,093
Speaker 19: they've all got their own little job to do ecosystem services,

1508
01:16:20,493 --> 01:16:23,373
Speaker 19: if you like. That's what they called and uh, and

1509
01:16:23,773 --> 01:16:26,013
Speaker 19: I'll start off with a carpet beetal, which of course

1510
01:16:26,093 --> 01:16:30,093
Speaker 19: destroys your carpet because it's made of wool, and carpet

1511
01:16:30,093 --> 01:16:32,613
Speaker 19: whetels are the only creatures on the planet that can

1512
01:16:32,733 --> 01:16:37,053
Speaker 19: digest keratin, which is what wall is basically. And so

1513
01:16:37,253 --> 01:16:40,453
Speaker 19: if it's you know, if if a sheep dies, you know,

1514
01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:44,013
Speaker 19: if you like, the megots will do the inside, et cetera,

1515
01:16:44,053 --> 01:16:47,333
Speaker 19: et cetera. But how do you get the wall under control? Well,

1516
01:16:47,413 --> 01:16:51,173
Speaker 19: you just call one one one and and the carpet

1517
01:16:51,173 --> 01:16:52,973
Speaker 19: whetles come and do that for you, you know what

1518
01:16:53,013 --> 01:16:53,293
Speaker 19: I mean?

1519
01:16:54,013 --> 01:16:56,453
Speaker 5: And do you have roaches in your.

1520
01:16:58,093 --> 01:16:58,293
Speaker 2: Yes?

1521
01:16:58,893 --> 01:17:02,493
Speaker 19: Excellent, Well you must have spilt the spaghetti blinn age

1522
01:17:02,533 --> 01:17:07,093
Speaker 19: behind the stove, because all they do is cleaning it

1523
01:17:07,293 --> 01:17:07,573
Speaker 19: up for.

1524
01:17:07,693 --> 01:17:10,933
Speaker 5: You, and you know what, they do it for free?

1525
01:17:11,693 --> 01:17:14,613
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there are some downsides. I don't know that.

1526
01:17:14,733 --> 01:17:17,733
Speaker 2: Missus Tame is particularly delighted whenever she sees a large

1527
01:17:17,813 --> 01:17:19,533
Speaker 2: roach scurrying across the kitchen.

1528
01:17:21,053 --> 01:17:22,653
Speaker 19: Yeah, but I mean, you know, you can stand on

1529
01:17:22,773 --> 01:17:23,373
Speaker 19: it if you want.

1530
01:17:23,413 --> 01:17:28,093
Speaker 5: It's not a big where.

1531
01:17:28,173 --> 01:17:30,333
Speaker 19: Julie I had a lovely one. Because there's a thing

1532
01:17:30,413 --> 01:17:33,373
Speaker 19: called a booklouse, a book lie in pural. They make

1533
01:17:33,413 --> 01:17:35,773
Speaker 19: a ticking sound. They're only a millimeter in size, and

1534
01:17:35,853 --> 01:17:39,773
Speaker 19: you'll find them literally behind your television screen, but anywhere

1535
01:17:39,813 --> 01:17:42,933
Speaker 19: inside and they make a ticking noise. But the cold

1536
01:17:42,973 --> 01:17:45,453
Speaker 19: thing is what they do in those particular places where

1537
01:17:45,493 --> 01:17:51,493
Speaker 19: they occurs. They actually eat the microscopic moles inside your radio,

1538
01:17:51,693 --> 01:17:54,813
Speaker 19: your television and all these other places, and they clean

1539
01:17:54,853 --> 01:17:59,093
Speaker 19: it up for you. It's unbelievable. Yeah, tiger slugs, you know,

1540
01:17:59,653 --> 01:18:02,413
Speaker 19: slucks go to your cat bowl. They come in and

1541
01:18:02,533 --> 01:18:05,173
Speaker 19: they slip up all the milk and that sort of stuff.

1542
01:18:05,533 --> 01:18:08,013
Speaker 19: And then they're Indian meal mark. They go into your

1543
01:18:08,093 --> 01:18:11,693
Speaker 19: pantry because they actually clean up all the mold and

1544
01:18:11,853 --> 01:18:14,933
Speaker 19: stuff there as well, and I think good on them.

1545
01:18:15,733 --> 01:18:18,133
Speaker 2: See you're always doing this. I'm not going to say

1546
01:18:18,173 --> 01:18:20,653
Speaker 2: you're a contrarian, Rude. I would never suggest that for

1547
01:18:20,733 --> 01:18:23,053
Speaker 2: a moment. But you always give us good reason to

1548
01:18:23,133 --> 01:18:25,613
Speaker 2: love the things that otherwise in life people might go

1549
01:18:26,813 --> 01:18:29,613
Speaker 2: with good reason to love the invertebrates in our world.

1550
01:18:29,613 --> 01:18:32,333
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir. You take care and those

1551
01:18:32,413 --> 01:18:35,013
Speaker 2: teachers are very lucky. Indeed, Rude Climb passed in the garden.

1552
01:18:35,053 --> 01:18:37,453
Speaker 2: For us, it's almost eleven o'clock. News is next. On

1553
01:18:37,573 --> 01:18:38,413
Speaker 2: News Talks, he'd.

1554
01:18:38,293 --> 01:18:42,773
Speaker 1: Be Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation, going

1555
01:18:42,893 --> 01:18:45,853
Speaker 1: through the weekend with Bepure dot Coat on in here

1556
01:18:45,973 --> 01:19:13,573
Speaker 1: for high quality supplements, Use talks, Bo have.

1557
01:19:13,653 --> 01:19:16,933
Speaker 2: You just sitting on the radio, Good morning, Welcome Jack

1558
01:19:16,973 --> 01:19:19,333
Speaker 2: Tame with you on Newstalks, he'd be through to mid

1559
01:19:19,413 --> 01:19:20,973
Speaker 2: day today. I've seen it once or say it again.

1560
01:19:21,213 --> 01:19:27,373
Speaker 2: Entertainment and the modern world of streaming has totally changed

1561
01:19:28,013 --> 01:19:31,453
Speaker 2: the way that millions of people are consuming sport around

1562
01:19:31,453 --> 01:19:33,613
Speaker 2: the world, and there are big obvious examples, right, So

1563
01:19:34,453 --> 01:19:36,773
Speaker 2: if One Drive to Survive, I think that's kind of

1564
01:19:36,813 --> 01:19:40,493
Speaker 2: that stands ahead, that's kind of the paragon of entertainment

1565
01:19:40,693 --> 01:19:46,533
Speaker 2: sports TV that has just driven an incredible surge in

1566
01:19:46,973 --> 01:19:49,973
Speaker 2: IF one fandom and support over the last few years.

1567
01:19:50,893 --> 01:19:53,853
Speaker 2: For me, the Tour de France has become all the

1568
01:19:53,973 --> 01:19:56,493
Speaker 2: more entertaining because of Tour de France Unchained, which is

1569
01:19:56,653 --> 01:19:59,573
Speaker 2: very much like the if One Drive to Survive. And

1570
01:19:59,693 --> 01:20:02,733
Speaker 2: you would have to say that Welcome to Wrexham the

1571
01:20:02,893 --> 01:20:06,373
Speaker 2: TV show is probably like up there in either second

1572
01:20:06,533 --> 01:20:08,853
Speaker 2: or third place. I reckon as one of the shows

1573
01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:11,853
Speaker 2: that has driven huge support of a sport or of

1574
01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:14,293
Speaker 2: a team. I mean, you know, would any of us

1575
01:20:14,413 --> 01:20:18,613
Speaker 2: honestly know the team Wrexham FC if not for Welcome

1576
01:20:18,693 --> 01:20:21,253
Speaker 2: to Rexham the TV show. If you're not familiar with

1577
01:20:21,333 --> 01:20:23,933
Speaker 2: the story, the show was bought a few years ago

1578
01:20:24,213 --> 01:20:28,253
Speaker 2: by Hollywood actor Ryan Reynolds and his mate and they

1579
01:20:28,373 --> 01:20:32,693
Speaker 2: have what Rob is, Rob mcallaney. I think Rob mclallaney

1580
01:20:32,973 --> 01:20:35,813
Speaker 2: mcalleney is that as Ryan reynolds mate. Anyway, the team

1581
01:20:35,973 --> 01:20:39,853
Speaker 2: was languishing in like maybe the fourth or fifth division

1582
01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 2: of British football, like just well, well, well, the English

1583
01:20:44,213 --> 01:20:49,053
Speaker 2: Football's you know, sort of boondocks. It was effectively Sunday League.

1584
01:20:50,053 --> 01:20:53,093
Speaker 2: But they have made a TV show around supporting the

1585
01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:56,653
Speaker 2: team and it's coincided with incredible success. So I don't

1586
01:20:56,653 --> 01:20:59,853
Speaker 2: know if it's down to the international attention, if it's

1587
01:20:59,893 --> 01:21:01,813
Speaker 2: down to the money that the new owners have put

1588
01:21:01,853 --> 01:21:05,893
Speaker 2: into the club. But they've now secured three consecutive promotions

1589
01:21:06,533 --> 01:21:09,653
Speaker 2: in the National League through to the National League, or

1590
01:21:09,693 --> 01:21:11,253
Speaker 2: from the National League through to the Championship.

1591
01:21:11,373 --> 01:21:11,973
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

1592
01:21:12,653 --> 01:21:16,253
Speaker 2: So three consecutive promotions, which means that they're now in

1593
01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:20,413
Speaker 2: the Championship, which is England's English Football's second tier. And

1594
01:21:20,453 --> 01:21:24,773
Speaker 2: they've announced this morning that they've signed Kiwi defender Libby Cacacci,

1595
01:21:24,893 --> 01:21:28,093
Speaker 2: which is such good news. We'll Quei football. Libby Kiccacchi

1596
01:21:28,213 --> 01:21:30,773
Speaker 2: is such amazing news. Ahead of their game this afternoon,

1597
01:21:31,173 --> 01:21:33,973
Speaker 2: they're playing the Phoenix. They're expecting what twenty twenty five

1598
01:21:34,093 --> 01:21:36,493
Speaker 2: thousand to turn out this afternoon if the weather's good,

1599
01:21:36,493 --> 01:21:38,453
Speaker 2: which will be incredible. I think we're going to have

1600
01:21:38,533 --> 01:21:42,093
Speaker 2: live coverage on TVNZ Plus with male mate Chris Chang

1601
01:21:42,573 --> 01:21:45,893
Speaker 2: heading up the team in Wellington this afternoon. But quite extraordinary,

1602
01:21:45,893 --> 01:21:49,493
Speaker 2: a to show what the support of a couple of

1603
01:21:49,573 --> 01:21:52,653
Speaker 2: big Hollywood names, the money that comes along with it,

1604
01:21:52,813 --> 01:21:56,013
Speaker 2: and more importantly, perhaps than anything, the attention that comes

1605
01:21:56,053 --> 01:21:58,853
Speaker 2: from a popular TV show can do for a team.

1606
01:21:59,053 --> 01:22:02,973
Speaker 2: So the Phoenix versus rex MFC kickoff tonight at five pm,

1607
01:22:03,053 --> 01:22:05,453
Speaker 2: with Libby Caccacci heading to Rexham as they compete for

1608
01:22:05,533 --> 01:22:08,493
Speaker 2: the championship. Yeah, how exciting, too good? Right now, it's

1609
01:22:08,533 --> 01:22:11,253
Speaker 2: ten past eleven, Non news dogs, he'd be check team,

1610
01:22:11,653 --> 01:22:15,093
Speaker 2: and our clinical psychologist Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being

1611
01:22:15,213 --> 01:22:18,933
Speaker 2: is here with us this morning. Kilder Google, Kilder Jack.

1612
01:22:19,013 --> 01:22:22,933
Speaker 21: Hey, you're mentioning before of Rixham and and the Tour

1613
01:22:23,013 --> 01:22:24,693
Speaker 21: de France. God, I love the Tour de France.

1614
01:22:24,733 --> 01:22:28,253
Speaker 5: Isn't it amazing? Amazing speak you talked about.

1615
01:22:28,133 --> 01:22:29,533
Speaker 2: Oh you guys going to say it's going to be

1616
01:22:29,653 --> 01:22:32,773
Speaker 2: dangerous territory. My producer, Libby's already scoffing and rolling her

1617
01:22:32,813 --> 01:22:35,493
Speaker 2: eyes in the air breaks I tell her about what's

1618
01:22:35,533 --> 01:22:37,693
Speaker 2: happened overnight, Lebby. It's just an.

1619
01:22:37,613 --> 01:22:41,213
Speaker 21: Amazing unbelievable, isn't it. I just I tried to do

1620
01:22:41,373 --> 01:22:43,813
Speaker 21: you go, Yeah, No, I was just every day I

1621
01:22:43,893 --> 01:22:45,853
Speaker 21: try to watch that two hour, the last two hours

1622
01:22:46,213 --> 01:22:48,973
Speaker 21: they had and Tuddy pagotcha.

1623
01:22:49,133 --> 01:22:52,093
Speaker 5: It's like, Oh, it's just everything that you could want.

1624
01:22:52,173 --> 01:22:55,493
Speaker 2: Really, it's so dramatic. Yeah, the thing is so the

1625
01:22:55,613 --> 01:22:57,493
Speaker 2: way the tour works, and I promise that we're not

1626
01:22:57,533 --> 01:22:59,093
Speaker 2: going to go on too long about this, but the

1627
01:22:59,173 --> 01:23:00,893
Speaker 2: way that it works is for the first kind of

1628
01:23:00,973 --> 01:23:03,333
Speaker 2: week and a half or so, they have these stages

1629
01:23:03,373 --> 01:23:05,653
Speaker 2: that are one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy k's

1630
01:23:05,693 --> 01:23:08,973
Speaker 2: long and kind of sprint stages. They call them sprint stages,

1631
01:23:08,973 --> 01:23:10,693
Speaker 2: although for me, one hundred and sixty k's is not

1632
01:23:10,733 --> 01:23:13,453
Speaker 2: a sprint anyway, But basically they call them sprint stages

1633
01:23:13,493 --> 01:23:16,893
Speaker 2: because they're relatively flat, and so in the last few

1634
01:23:16,973 --> 01:23:19,773
Speaker 2: k's of the race they have the big, powerful sprinters

1635
01:23:19,813 --> 01:23:21,293
Speaker 2: who all sprint it out and you have the kind

1636
01:23:21,333 --> 01:23:24,613
Speaker 2: of photo finish on the line. But the way that

1637
01:23:24,773 --> 01:23:27,493
Speaker 2: the Tour de France is generally decided is when they

1638
01:23:27,573 --> 01:23:29,493
Speaker 2: get into the mountain. So when they get into the

1639
01:23:29,533 --> 01:23:32,173
Speaker 2: Pyrenees or they get into the Alps, and all of

1640
01:23:32,213 --> 01:23:34,893
Speaker 2: a sudden, one by one, the cyclists and those big

1641
01:23:35,013 --> 01:23:38,413
Speaker 2: pelotons just fall away and fall away and fall away

1642
01:23:38,693 --> 01:23:41,253
Speaker 2: and it comes down to man on man, just the

1643
01:23:41,333 --> 01:23:43,653
Speaker 2: best cyclist in the world, who's got the legs, who's

1644
01:23:43,653 --> 01:23:46,213
Speaker 2: got the lungs, who can perform at altitudes and there's

1645
01:23:46,253 --> 01:23:48,533
Speaker 2: no hiding. Like you've got all the fans on the

1646
01:23:48,573 --> 01:23:51,053
Speaker 2: side of the road and you have these these incredible

1647
01:23:51,133 --> 01:23:54,773
Speaker 2: athletes just one by one falling off to the side.

1648
01:23:54,893 --> 01:23:56,533
Speaker 2: It's so so good to see.

1649
01:23:56,573 --> 01:23:59,893
Speaker 21: It's three thousand k's or something, isn't it's a scene.

1650
01:24:00,613 --> 01:24:04,653
Speaker 2: It's just h yeah. Yeah, I don't see how it's fun.

1651
01:24:05,093 --> 01:24:07,453
Speaker 5: Like, no, I don't know. It's a challenge.

1652
01:24:07,493 --> 01:24:09,813
Speaker 21: I can see the challenge, but gosh, yeah, fun doesn't

1653
01:24:09,853 --> 01:24:11,173
Speaker 21: really enter into the vocal.

1654
01:24:11,253 --> 01:24:14,893
Speaker 2: I mean the mental The mental component must be so much,

1655
01:24:15,213 --> 01:24:17,253
Speaker 2: it must be amazing, you know, just to get up

1656
01:24:17,253 --> 01:24:19,333
Speaker 2: and do a day after that. Anyway, I'm glad that

1657
01:24:19,413 --> 01:24:22,693
Speaker 2: you're a fan as well, because I'm sitting there absolutely.

1658
01:24:23,013 --> 01:24:23,173
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1659
01:24:23,373 --> 01:24:26,453
Speaker 2: Hey, today, you thought you would shine the light on

1660
01:24:26,573 --> 01:24:30,253
Speaker 2: a psychological condition that I'm going to hazard a guess

1661
01:24:30,333 --> 01:24:32,853
Speaker 2: and say that almost none of us have ever heard of.

1662
01:24:33,133 --> 01:24:34,973
Speaker 2: It would be worth a fair amount on a triple

1663
01:24:35,013 --> 01:24:37,893
Speaker 2: word score. Prosopagnosia, Is that right?

1664
01:24:38,373 --> 01:24:40,053
Speaker 21: Proto pagnosia.

1665
01:24:40,133 --> 01:24:42,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, as face blindness.

1666
01:24:42,653 --> 01:24:47,053
Speaker 21: Face blindness, So imagine that you that you arranged to

1667
01:24:47,173 --> 01:24:50,733
Speaker 21: meet somebody and you arrive there and there's a whole

1668
01:24:50,813 --> 01:24:54,093
Speaker 21: bunch of people and you go, I don't know the

1669
01:24:54,173 --> 01:24:56,893
Speaker 21: person that i'm and they're familiar to you, they're a friend,

1670
01:24:56,933 --> 01:24:59,573
Speaker 21: they're not just a stranger, and you just can't pick

1671
01:24:59,613 --> 01:25:01,933
Speaker 21: out their face from all the faces around you. And

1672
01:25:02,053 --> 01:25:06,173
Speaker 21: that's that's prosopagnosia. So that's the that it comes from

1673
01:25:06,213 --> 01:25:09,613
Speaker 21: the Greek term for face and not knowing, So it

1674
01:25:09,773 --> 01:25:10,213
Speaker 21: means that.

1675
01:25:10,373 --> 01:25:12,533
Speaker 5: You lose the ability.

1676
01:25:12,853 --> 01:25:15,093
Speaker 21: Sometimes you lose it after like a brain injury or

1677
01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:17,253
Speaker 21: something like that, or a stroke, or there are some

1678
01:25:17,373 --> 01:25:19,013
Speaker 21: people that are born with it, but you don't have

1679
01:25:19,133 --> 01:25:24,573
Speaker 21: the ability to recognize faces, so you can't tell one

1680
01:25:24,653 --> 01:25:27,413
Speaker 21: person from another by looking at their face. And what

1681
01:25:27,613 --> 01:25:32,173
Speaker 21: a debilitating condition that is, because you know, it's just

1682
01:25:33,373 --> 01:25:37,253
Speaker 21: recognizing faces is so obviously so key to our social relationship.

1683
01:25:37,373 --> 01:25:40,213
Speaker 5: So if you don't have it, it makes life mighty

1684
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:41,093
Speaker 5: mighty hard for you.

1685
01:25:41,293 --> 01:25:46,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds sounds kind of remarkable, and the way

1686
01:25:46,573 --> 01:25:49,573
Speaker 2: face blindness sounds extreme, so not but not only is

1687
01:25:49,613 --> 01:25:52,893
Speaker 2: it that you can't necessarily recognize people's faces, really quickly.

1688
01:25:53,573 --> 01:25:58,013
Speaker 2: But you also can't recognize expressions, and of course so

1689
01:25:58,213 --> 01:25:59,973
Speaker 2: much of communication is nonverbal. A.

1690
01:26:00,693 --> 01:26:04,853
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, so you can't. You you're just unable. And

1691
01:26:05,213 --> 01:26:06,693
Speaker 5: it seems to be that.

1692
01:26:08,253 --> 01:26:12,533
Speaker 21: People that have protopagnosia they can they can see the

1693
01:26:12,653 --> 01:26:15,453
Speaker 21: individual parts of the face, so not like they can't

1694
01:26:15,493 --> 01:26:17,973
Speaker 21: see they can see your eyes and your mouth and

1695
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:21,013
Speaker 21: your nose, et cetera. But it's putting all those together

1696
01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:24,893
Speaker 21: into in your head into one sort of overall picture,

1697
01:26:24,973 --> 01:26:29,213
Speaker 21: and that that seems to be where the problem lies.

1698
01:26:29,373 --> 01:26:32,653
Speaker 21: And some listeners I'm sure will be familiar with the

1699
01:26:32,733 --> 01:26:36,413
Speaker 21: name Oliver Sax, who's you know, face neurologist, and he

1700
01:26:37,013 --> 01:26:41,053
Speaker 21: had face blindness or prosopagnosia, and and writes really nicely

1701
01:26:41,133 --> 01:26:45,013
Speaker 21: about getting into a lift and having to apologize to

1702
01:26:45,093 --> 01:26:47,853
Speaker 21: the person that he nearly stepped on and then realized

1703
01:26:47,893 --> 01:26:50,253
Speaker 21: it was actually himself in the mirror that he was

1704
01:26:50,293 --> 01:26:53,613
Speaker 21: talking to, but he couldn't recognize his own face, let

1705
01:26:53,693 --> 01:26:56,813
Speaker 21: alone anybody else's face, so he had sort of apologized

1706
01:26:56,853 --> 01:26:59,653
Speaker 21: to the stranger who was who was in there, but

1707
01:26:59,853 --> 01:27:01,213
Speaker 21: but no, it was in fact him.

1708
01:27:01,573 --> 01:27:05,413
Speaker 2: So it's not like just having a bad memory for

1709
01:27:05,693 --> 01:27:08,813
Speaker 2: names or faces. Or anything like that. This is quite distinct.

1710
01:27:08,853 --> 01:27:11,453
Speaker 2: I think the way you described it about like you

1711
01:27:11,573 --> 01:27:13,893
Speaker 2: can see the individual eyes, you can see the nails,

1712
01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:15,813
Speaker 2: you can see the mouth, you can see the cheekbones,

1713
01:27:15,853 --> 01:27:17,213
Speaker 2: but you just can't put it together.

1714
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:18,333
Speaker 5: You can't put it together.

1715
01:27:18,453 --> 01:27:21,453
Speaker 21: Yes, so yes, it's you know, many of us, or

1716
01:27:21,493 --> 01:27:23,173
Speaker 21: some of us at least, might say, I'm not very good.

1717
01:27:23,453 --> 01:27:25,813
Speaker 21: I don't really not good at remembering faces.

1718
01:27:25,853 --> 01:27:27,493
Speaker 5: But it's more than that.

1719
01:27:27,733 --> 01:27:30,733
Speaker 21: It's simply not being able to recognize them in the

1720
01:27:30,853 --> 01:27:34,653
Speaker 21: first place. So, you know, an extreme example might be

1721
01:27:34,773 --> 01:27:37,293
Speaker 21: arriving home from the airport. You've been on a big trip,

1722
01:27:37,373 --> 01:27:39,653
Speaker 21: and your wife and children are there to meet you,

1723
01:27:39,773 --> 01:27:42,213
Speaker 21: but you can't pick them out in the crowd because

1724
01:27:42,253 --> 01:27:43,853
Speaker 21: you can't recognize their faces.

1725
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:46,693
Speaker 5: That there are ways.

1726
01:27:46,493 --> 01:27:49,853
Speaker 21: Around it like that, you know, people get trained to

1727
01:27:50,173 --> 01:27:54,373
Speaker 21: use other bits of the body for information, like you know,

1728
01:27:54,533 --> 01:27:57,333
Speaker 21: somebody's haircut, although of course that can change, or the

1729
01:27:57,413 --> 01:28:02,333
Speaker 21: way somebody walks, and so there are sort of way workarounds,

1730
01:28:02,413 --> 01:28:04,013
Speaker 21: but that none of them are as good.

1731
01:28:04,973 --> 01:28:07,613
Speaker 5: And it's estimated to have around sort of.

1732
01:28:07,653 --> 01:28:10,533
Speaker 21: One to two percent of people in the population, and

1733
01:28:10,613 --> 01:28:13,453
Speaker 21: most of those might experience it after they've had some

1734
01:28:13,573 --> 01:28:15,693
Speaker 21: sort of brain injury or a stroke or something.

1735
01:28:15,533 --> 01:28:18,333
Speaker 2: Like that, right, And is there a scale, you know,

1736
01:28:18,493 --> 01:28:20,413
Speaker 2: like there's some people who have it sort of really

1737
01:28:20,573 --> 01:28:23,293
Speaker 2: profound impacts and some people who maybe just you know,

1738
01:28:23,533 --> 01:28:27,173
Speaker 2: struggle with expressions in that kinda Yeah, yeah, there is.

1739
01:28:27,213 --> 01:28:30,573
Speaker 21: A scale in terms of you know, some people kick

1740
01:28:31,133 --> 01:28:33,293
Speaker 21: have it sort of mildly and some people much more

1741
01:28:33,333 --> 01:28:35,893
Speaker 21: but you know, still have Its fundamental base is that

1742
01:28:35,973 --> 01:28:41,573
Speaker 21: inability to just recognize the face of or recognize faces

1743
01:28:41,613 --> 01:28:44,093
Speaker 21: full stop, doesn't matter whether it's yours or your loved ones.

1744
01:28:44,173 --> 01:28:49,453
Speaker 21: And so yeah, it's a really debilitating condition. It's very

1745
01:28:49,533 --> 01:28:52,573
Speaker 21: hard to I think for us as people who don't

1746
01:28:52,613 --> 01:28:56,013
Speaker 21: have it, to sort of you know, kind of understand

1747
01:28:56,173 --> 01:28:57,173
Speaker 21: or even get a sense of it.

1748
01:28:57,253 --> 01:29:01,293
Speaker 2: It seems so firn but such a subconscious thing. Hey,

1749
01:29:01,413 --> 01:29:04,333
Speaker 2: like the way that you that you recognize faces obviously,

1750
01:29:04,413 --> 01:29:06,773
Speaker 2: but also the way you kind of recognize expressions and stuff.

1751
01:29:06,813 --> 01:29:07,453
Speaker 2: You just can't do it.

1752
01:29:07,613 --> 01:29:07,813
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1753
01:29:07,933 --> 01:29:11,173
Speaker 21: Yeah, there's a whole sort of second layer of processing

1754
01:29:11,253 --> 01:29:14,613
Speaker 21: in your brain. So your your brain gets the first messages.

1755
01:29:14,733 --> 01:29:17,413
Speaker 21: So in terms of receives the messages, yes, I can

1756
01:29:17,493 --> 01:29:20,293
Speaker 21: see that there's nothing wrong with my vision, but it's

1757
01:29:20,413 --> 01:29:23,093
Speaker 21: it's in the complic or the complicated part of actually

1758
01:29:23,173 --> 01:29:25,293
Speaker 21: stitching everything together in a hole, and it makes you

1759
01:29:25,773 --> 01:29:28,653
Speaker 21: sort of go think about how amazing the brain must

1760
01:29:28,733 --> 01:29:31,693
Speaker 21: be to do all this in the background. It's not

1761
01:29:31,813 --> 01:29:34,853
Speaker 21: as simple in out sort of system. It's a very

1762
01:29:34,933 --> 01:29:37,573
Speaker 21: complicated system, and if you tinker with the wiring inside

1763
01:29:37,613 --> 01:29:39,093
Speaker 21: it sometimes goes a bit offline.

1764
01:29:39,373 --> 01:29:42,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah cool. Hey, thank you so much, Google.

1765
01:29:42,893 --> 01:29:46,493
Speaker 2: So thanks Joseph Pagnosia face blindness. Yeah, something I knew

1766
01:29:46,813 --> 01:29:49,653
Speaker 2: zero about, So I appreciate appreciate that lesson this morning,

1767
01:29:49,733 --> 01:29:53,253
Speaker 2: Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being with us there right now.

1768
01:29:53,293 --> 01:29:56,973
Speaker 2: It's seventeen past eleven, our travel correspondent. It's taking us

1769
01:29:57,013 --> 01:29:59,853
Speaker 2: on a bit of a jaunt through the UK's Lake District.

1770
01:30:00,093 --> 01:30:04,533
Speaker 3: Next Travel with Wendy Wuturs. Where the World is yours

1771
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Speaker 3: book now.

1772
01:30:05,613 --> 01:30:08,093
Speaker 2: Mike Cardle's travel correspondent. He's here this morning.

1773
01:30:08,173 --> 01:30:11,493
Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, Jack. I was just saying to Libby,

1774
01:30:11,613 --> 01:30:14,413
Speaker 5: since Antonio Prebble was on your show a couple of

1775
01:30:14,453 --> 01:30:18,173
Speaker 5: weeks ago with Francesca, I have become totally addicted to

1776
01:30:18,293 --> 01:30:19,333
Speaker 5: Outrageous Fortune.

1777
01:30:19,693 --> 01:30:22,013
Speaker 2: Ah, have you really did? You watched it back in

1778
01:30:22,093 --> 01:30:22,973
Speaker 2: the day though, didn't.

1779
01:30:22,733 --> 01:30:26,013
Speaker 5: You Well, I was saying to Libby, I didn't actually

1780
01:30:26,173 --> 01:30:29,093
Speaker 5: watch season one or two when it was first on,

1781
01:30:29,293 --> 01:30:32,613
Speaker 5: so I've been in a major retro mode Jack with

1782
01:30:32,773 --> 01:30:36,213
Speaker 5: my viewing lately. And yeah, oh man, it's such vintage

1783
01:30:36,253 --> 01:30:37,173
Speaker 5: New Zealand television.

1784
01:30:37,373 --> 01:30:40,093
Speaker 2: Is excellent New Zealand TV. Yeah, I should actually go

1785
01:30:40,173 --> 01:30:41,533
Speaker 2: back and watch it as well, because I loved it

1786
01:30:41,573 --> 01:30:42,853
Speaker 2: when it was on I watched it or when it

1787
01:30:42,933 --> 01:30:45,893
Speaker 2: was on. But yeah, it's obviously right, been a little

1788
01:30:45,893 --> 01:30:49,173
Speaker 2: bit of we've bet a time between drinks, so yeah,

1789
01:30:49,853 --> 01:30:51,173
Speaker 2: go thing to go back. I mean, it is, like

1790
01:30:51,293 --> 01:30:54,813
Speaker 2: you say, it is kind of vintage dare we use

1791
01:30:54,893 --> 01:30:59,213
Speaker 2: that word iconic New Zealand TV. Anyway, We're focusing on

1792
01:30:59,293 --> 01:31:02,493
Speaker 2: Windermere in the UK's Lake District this morning, and is

1793
01:31:02,573 --> 01:31:05,573
Speaker 2: this the kind of England's most popular national park.

1794
01:31:06,613 --> 01:31:09,933
Speaker 5: No doubt about it, Jack, I reckon it's Blighty's answer

1795
01:31:10,293 --> 01:31:15,653
Speaker 5: to Queenstown Lakes or Towpoor because it's just this vast,

1796
01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:21,133
Speaker 5: watery and outdoors you play grand in the Cumbrian countryside.

1797
01:31:21,613 --> 01:31:25,333
Speaker 5: It's got craggy mountains, it's got scenery glore. It was

1798
01:31:25,453 --> 01:31:29,173
Speaker 5: recently crowned with World heritage status, and it's overrun with tourists.

1799
01:31:29,293 --> 01:31:31,293
Speaker 5: And the one thing I do really want a hammer

1800
01:31:31,733 --> 01:31:33,773
Speaker 5: is do not go there in the summer peak. Don't

1801
01:31:33,813 --> 01:31:37,933
Speaker 5: go there today or tomorrow because the holiday hordes they

1802
01:31:38,093 --> 01:31:41,013
Speaker 5: swarm like midges. I was there in May, and it

1803
01:31:41,093 --> 01:31:44,453
Speaker 5: had been probably thirty years since I was last there,

1804
01:31:44,933 --> 01:31:46,493
Speaker 5: So when I was there in May, it was just

1805
01:31:46,653 --> 01:31:50,613
Speaker 5: pitch perfect, like the weather, the spring weather, sparkling and

1806
01:31:50,893 --> 01:31:54,653
Speaker 5: just no crowd. So dodge that peak season. Wow.

1807
01:31:54,933 --> 01:31:57,453
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's very good to know. Where is a

1808
01:31:57,493 --> 01:31:58,973
Speaker 2: good base though if you do dodge it?

1809
01:32:00,053 --> 01:32:04,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I would say because the district sprawls for

1810
01:32:04,933 --> 01:32:08,133
Speaker 5: like hundreds of square kilometers, you really want to find

1811
01:32:08,173 --> 01:32:12,533
Speaker 5: a central location. And bonus on Windermere would be my pick.

1812
01:32:12,853 --> 01:32:15,213
Speaker 5: It's a very perky tourist town. It's got all the

1813
01:32:15,293 --> 01:32:18,893
Speaker 5: tourist trappings, but it's actually really easy to reach, so

1814
01:32:19,173 --> 01:32:23,253
Speaker 5: for example, you can train there from London. And in

1815
01:32:23,373 --> 01:32:28,773
Speaker 5: fact I loved this when I was in Windermere. William

1816
01:32:28,933 --> 01:32:32,453
Speaker 5: Wordsworth he actually penned a pollen because he was so

1817
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:37,453
Speaker 5: pissed off with the railway arriving into Windermere back in

1818
01:32:37,533 --> 01:32:40,893
Speaker 5: the eighteen forties and His poem says, is then no

1819
01:32:41,173 --> 01:32:45,973
Speaker 5: nook of English ground secure from rash assault, and his

1820
01:32:46,173 --> 01:32:49,813
Speaker 5: name pops up all over the Lake district. His legacy

1821
01:32:49,893 --> 01:32:52,853
Speaker 5: is everywhere. In fact, if you go to Gabra Park

1822
01:32:53,333 --> 01:32:56,093
Speaker 5: in the Lake district, that is where you will find

1823
01:32:56,293 --> 01:33:00,853
Speaker 5: that vast drift of daffodils which inspired a certain poem.

1824
01:33:00,973 --> 01:33:04,333
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so what is quite what is so distinctive

1825
01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:05,293
Speaker 2: about Lake Windermere.

1826
01:33:06,573 --> 01:33:09,613
Speaker 5: It's the big Daddy. So this is England's largest lake,

1827
01:33:09,773 --> 01:33:14,333
Speaker 5: So a big, glossy, deep blue body of water stretches

1828
01:33:14,413 --> 01:33:18,413
Speaker 5: for miles. Grab a kayak, grab a rowboat, take a

1829
01:33:18,613 --> 01:33:23,133
Speaker 5: cruise and just marinate yourself in the bucolic glory of

1830
01:33:23,253 --> 01:33:26,373
Speaker 5: the of the scenery. It is so gorgeous it could

1831
01:33:26,413 --> 01:33:31,333
Speaker 5: be New Zealand. You know, it's just so fabulously spectacular.

1832
01:33:31,613 --> 01:33:34,373
Speaker 5: The big point of difference, you've got all that old

1833
01:33:34,453 --> 01:33:40,013
Speaker 5: world architecture. So all along the lakefront of Windermere there

1834
01:33:40,053 --> 01:33:44,093
Speaker 5: are these stately stone country manners and they all like

1835
01:33:44,373 --> 01:33:47,093
Speaker 5: huddle around the lake edge like safari animals at the

1836
01:33:47,133 --> 01:33:50,493
Speaker 5: watering hole. So that's when you know it's not New Zealand.

1837
01:33:50,973 --> 01:33:54,413
Speaker 5: But the landscape is really so blissful Jack, I can

1838
01:33:54,573 --> 01:33:59,053
Speaker 5: certainly understand why the Princess of Wales spends so much

1839
01:33:59,213 --> 01:34:02,213
Speaker 5: time there as part of your cancer recovery. It is

1840
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:03,853
Speaker 5: just a therapeutic place.

1841
01:34:04,133 --> 01:34:07,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wonderful. So for Beatrix Potter Potter fans, what

1842
01:34:08,053 --> 01:34:10,813
Speaker 2: should you prioritize? What would you recommend they check out?

1843
01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:16,213
Speaker 5: Ah, you could go potty on the Potter Trail. Her

1844
01:34:16,293 --> 01:34:19,773
Speaker 5: footprints are everywhere. So first of all, I would say

1845
01:34:19,893 --> 01:34:22,653
Speaker 5: check out ray Castle because that's where she holidayed as

1846
01:34:22,653 --> 01:34:26,653
Speaker 5: a child and that captured her imagination and her lifelong

1847
01:34:27,133 --> 01:34:30,853
Speaker 5: love affair with the Lake District. She's got two homes

1848
01:34:32,213 --> 01:34:35,973
Speaker 5: and if you have kids in tow, definitely treat them

1849
01:34:36,013 --> 01:34:38,693
Speaker 5: to the world of Betrick's Potter, which is sort of

1850
01:34:38,853 --> 01:34:42,253
Speaker 5: like part theater, part museum, but it's where Peter Rabbit

1851
01:34:42,373 --> 01:34:46,893
Speaker 5: and Jemima, Puddle Dark and friends they all come to life. Remarkably,

1852
01:34:46,973 --> 01:34:50,413
Speaker 5: jack Potter went on to own fourteen farms in the

1853
01:34:50,493 --> 01:34:54,893
Speaker 5: Lake District, and she bequeathed all that farmland and her

1854
01:34:54,973 --> 01:34:58,893
Speaker 5: homes and all the royalties from her box to the

1855
01:34:59,013 --> 01:35:02,173
Speaker 5: National Trust. So she is quite the gift that keeps

1856
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:02,693
Speaker 5: on giving.

1857
01:35:02,973 --> 01:35:04,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. So what about grasp me.

1858
01:35:06,533 --> 01:35:10,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, just north of Lake Windermere. Grassmere is your quintessential

1859
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:13,493
Speaker 5: chocolate box village. And this is where Wordsworth lived, so

1860
01:35:14,053 --> 01:35:16,253
Speaker 5: you can go and see his home, the creeper Clad

1861
01:35:16,493 --> 01:35:20,533
Speaker 5: Dove Cottage, and his whole family are actually buried in

1862
01:35:20,653 --> 01:35:24,373
Speaker 5: the church graveyard. But best of all the sweet treats,

1863
01:35:25,173 --> 01:35:29,253
Speaker 5: the village is home to Grassmear gingerbread. Now, I don't

1864
01:35:29,373 --> 01:35:34,013
Speaker 5: think your dime it doesen't gingerbread biscuit because Grassmere gingerbread

1865
01:35:34,213 --> 01:35:38,533
Speaker 5: is a British icon and it's this quite novel spicy

1866
01:35:38,733 --> 01:35:42,293
Speaker 5: sweet cross between a biscuit and a cake. I reckon

1867
01:35:42,333 --> 01:35:44,973
Speaker 5: it's more like a moosley bar, so you know, it's

1868
01:35:44,973 --> 01:35:48,773
Speaker 5: sort of crispy, crumbly and chewy more than one. And

1869
01:35:48,893 --> 01:35:52,373
Speaker 5: this was invented by a Victorian baker in Grassmere and

1870
01:35:52,493 --> 01:35:55,613
Speaker 5: for over a century it's now been produced and sold

1871
01:35:55,733 --> 01:36:00,613
Speaker 5: from the old village schoolhouse in Grassmere, where Wordsworth was

1872
01:36:00,653 --> 01:36:04,013
Speaker 5: actually a teacher. So yeah, make a beeline for the

1873
01:36:04,093 --> 01:36:07,653
Speaker 5: gingerbread shop. It really is quite Moorish and.

1874
01:36:07,973 --> 01:36:10,413
Speaker 2: This is like really good hiking country, isn't it.

1875
01:36:11,533 --> 01:36:15,613
Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah, there are tails for all trails for all tastes.

1876
01:36:15,813 --> 01:36:20,373
Speaker 5: If you want to knockoff England's highest peak scoref our Pike.

1877
01:36:21,133 --> 01:36:23,973
Speaker 5: That's in the neighborhood, so it tops out about a

1878
01:36:24,213 --> 01:36:28,053
Speaker 5: thousand meters, so you will need a reasonable level of fitness. Yeh,

1879
01:36:28,253 --> 01:36:32,253
Speaker 5: make it a half day jaunt. Beautiful scenery. I actually

1880
01:36:32,373 --> 01:36:34,773
Speaker 5: think if you want something a little shorter and sweeter,

1881
01:36:35,613 --> 01:36:38,773
Speaker 5: go for a place called wind Letter. This is forest

1882
01:36:39,093 --> 01:36:43,533
Speaker 5: bathing on a fabulous scale. So wind Letter is this

1883
01:36:43,693 --> 01:36:48,213
Speaker 5: mountain forest just out of Keswick and it is just

1884
01:36:48,933 --> 01:36:52,493
Speaker 5: so dense this forest, and it's a tangle of pine trees,

1885
01:36:53,133 --> 01:36:57,133
Speaker 5: spruce and large. It's a very fragrant way to do

1886
01:36:57,253 --> 01:37:01,893
Speaker 5: some forest bathing. Nice Any quirky fines, Well, if I

1887
01:37:01,933 --> 01:37:05,053
Speaker 5: said to you Jack, shall we go to the pencil Museum.

1888
01:37:06,613 --> 01:37:06,893
Speaker 2: Again?

1889
01:37:09,053 --> 01:37:11,293
Speaker 5: And probably wouldn't blow your hair bag with it the

1890
01:37:11,373 --> 01:37:12,253
Speaker 5: pencil Museum.

1891
01:37:13,653 --> 01:37:15,653
Speaker 2: I'm open minded famously, as you know.

1892
01:37:17,133 --> 01:37:20,253
Speaker 5: I've found this quite fascinating. So this is in Keswick,

1893
01:37:20,453 --> 01:37:24,333
Speaker 5: close to the Winletter Forest and it's a wee gym

1894
01:37:24,613 --> 01:37:27,813
Speaker 5: because it does such a good job just walking you

1895
01:37:27,933 --> 01:37:30,053
Speaker 5: through the history of pencils. And the reason it's in

1896
01:37:30,173 --> 01:37:35,253
Speaker 5: Keswick is because they had these huge graphite deposits, so

1897
01:37:35,413 --> 01:37:39,173
Speaker 5: for hundreds and hundreds of years, local farmers around Kiswick

1898
01:37:39,173 --> 01:37:42,653
Speaker 5: would use graphite to mark the sheep right, which sort

1899
01:37:42,693 --> 01:37:46,853
Speaker 5: of gave rise to Kiswick's pencil factories. And then it

1900
01:37:46,933 --> 01:37:50,413
Speaker 5: was the friend too later mixed graphite with clay which

1901
01:37:50,573 --> 01:37:54,893
Speaker 5: produced the likes of your trustee HB. Pencil. I now

1902
01:37:55,053 --> 01:37:56,613
Speaker 5: know so much about pencils, Jack.

1903
01:37:58,733 --> 01:38:00,693
Speaker 2: Stuff like that is always amazing and it's the stuff

1904
01:38:00,733 --> 01:38:03,253
Speaker 2: you remember when you travel. Don't you think it's true?

1905
01:38:03,533 --> 01:38:03,773
Speaker 5: It is?

1906
01:38:03,933 --> 01:38:06,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, Hey, thank you so much, Mike. We're gonna

1907
01:38:06,133 --> 01:38:08,253
Speaker 2: put all all of your tips for exploring Windermere in

1908
01:38:08,253 --> 01:38:11,293
Speaker 2: the UK's Lake District and the Pencil Museum up on

1909
01:38:11,413 --> 01:38:13,573
Speaker 2: the News Talks he'b website and catch you again this

1910
01:38:13,733 --> 01:38:16,013
Speaker 2: time next week before midday on News Talks he'db. We're

1911
01:38:16,013 --> 01:38:20,013
Speaker 2: going to play some music by Kiwi group Polar Extremes.

1912
01:38:20,453 --> 01:38:23,773
Speaker 2: They're in the sort of underground scene in Wellington in

1913
01:38:23,933 --> 01:38:27,653
Speaker 2: the nineties. We know very little about them as a group,

1914
01:38:27,813 --> 01:38:31,333
Speaker 2: but they've just released their first ever album, their debut album,

1915
01:38:31,573 --> 01:38:33,333
Speaker 2: and it sounds really interesting, so I'm looking forward to

1916
01:38:33,333 --> 01:38:35,853
Speaker 2: playing a little bit of that, plus a brand new

1917
01:38:35,973 --> 01:38:39,373
Speaker 2: book by Steve Brownius Polkinghorn has just been released, so

1918
01:38:39,453 --> 01:38:41,453
Speaker 2: our book reviewer has had a little bit of a locks.

1919
01:38:41,493 --> 01:38:43,053
Speaker 2: He's going to tell us about it very shortly. And

1920
01:38:43,093 --> 01:38:44,453
Speaker 2: it's just coming up to eleven thirty.

1921
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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team

1922
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Speaker 1: on News Talks.

1923
01:38:53,373 --> 01:39:16,413
Speaker 2: EDB has twelve on News Talks. HEB this afternoon. Dare

1924
01:39:16,453 --> 01:39:19,413
Speaker 2: I suggest on Weekend Sport that a Roaming Giant is

1925
01:39:19,453 --> 01:39:21,653
Speaker 2: going to be broadcasting from the Roaming Giants?

1926
01:39:22,653 --> 01:39:24,133
Speaker 5: It's not sure.

1927
01:39:24,413 --> 01:39:28,573
Speaker 2: I'm not the first one to make that, Joe. Jason Pine, Well,

1928
01:39:28,613 --> 01:39:30,573
Speaker 2: you're the first one. In the last five minutes. I've

1929
01:39:30,573 --> 01:39:31,053
Speaker 2: got to say.

1930
01:39:31,173 --> 01:39:33,693
Speaker 22: I was saying to the team here. Whoever's decision it

1931
01:39:33,973 --> 01:39:36,333
Speaker 22: was to take Weekend Sport on the road and set

1932
01:39:36,413 --> 01:39:39,613
Speaker 22: up at pubs on Test match Saturdays, deserves a race.

1933
01:39:39,733 --> 01:39:42,933
Speaker 2: Yes, they deserve every bit of kudos coming their way.

1934
01:39:43,493 --> 01:39:44,973
Speaker 2: Some would say that you've got a tough gig at

1935
01:39:44,973 --> 01:39:47,213
Speaker 2: the best of times talking sport for a living, Jason.

1936
01:39:47,253 --> 01:39:49,333
Speaker 2: But yes, that's sort of taken things to another level,

1937
01:39:49,413 --> 01:39:53,373
Speaker 2: hasn't it. It's fantastic to be in Hamilton this afternoon.

1938
01:39:53,773 --> 01:39:56,213
Speaker 2: What is I mean? It sounds like the atmosphere is

1939
01:39:56,253 --> 01:39:59,693
Speaker 2: already sort of building, but what is your expectation for

1940
01:39:59,933 --> 01:40:00,813
Speaker 2: the game tonight.

1941
01:40:01,533 --> 01:40:04,013
Speaker 22: I think a large part of you thinks that the

1942
01:40:04,053 --> 01:40:05,493
Speaker 22: All Blacks are going to run away with this. I

1943
01:40:05,573 --> 01:40:08,493
Speaker 22: feel so f a kind of stumbling towards the finish line.

1944
01:40:08,693 --> 01:40:13,173
Speaker 22: They've been in action across there. You know, their northern winter,

1945
01:40:13,613 --> 01:40:15,893
Speaker 22: this is the end of year tour for them. They

1946
01:40:16,053 --> 01:40:17,813
Speaker 22: just seem as though they're out of gas a little bit.

1947
01:40:17,893 --> 01:40:19,253
Speaker 22: And then you look at the All Blacks team. You

1948
01:40:19,333 --> 01:40:21,453
Speaker 22: think the number of players who are getting an opportunity

1949
01:40:21,573 --> 01:40:23,613
Speaker 22: tonight who haven't had the chance to play in the

1950
01:40:23,653 --> 01:40:26,293
Speaker 22: first couple of test matches, the number of Chiefs who

1951
01:40:26,333 --> 01:40:30,013
Speaker 22: were in the back line in particular, I mean McKenzie two, Pire.

1952
01:40:29,893 --> 01:40:31,973
Speaker 2: Leonett Brown. Imagine those three combining.

1953
01:40:32,293 --> 01:40:34,293
Speaker 22: And then you just think that the All Blacks at

1954
01:40:34,333 --> 01:40:36,533
Speaker 22: the moment look as though they're a team who every

1955
01:40:36,573 --> 01:40:39,253
Speaker 22: time they play get better. They were better last week

1956
01:40:39,293 --> 01:40:41,893
Speaker 22: than Dunedin. I think they'll be better tonight. Sold out

1957
01:40:41,933 --> 01:40:45,733
Speaker 22: crowd at FMG, good playing surface, Wheather's going to be good.

1958
01:40:46,573 --> 01:40:48,853
Speaker 22: I just think this might be similar to last week,

1959
01:40:48,893 --> 01:40:50,653
Speaker 22: if not an even bigger winning.

1960
01:40:50,493 --> 01:40:52,253
Speaker 2: Market for the All Blacks. Yeah, I think you could

1961
01:40:52,253 --> 01:40:54,693
Speaker 2: be onto something there. I really do, so to what

1962
01:40:54,773 --> 01:40:57,253
Speaker 2: are you planning on the show this afternoon as you

1963
01:40:57,333 --> 01:40:58,813
Speaker 2: count down the hours to kick off?

1964
01:40:59,013 --> 01:41:00,973
Speaker 22: Well, as we always do when we come to places

1965
01:41:01,013 --> 01:41:02,413
Speaker 22: like this, we like to give it a flavor of

1966
01:41:02,453 --> 01:41:04,413
Speaker 22: the city that we're in. So I thought to myself, Okay,

1967
01:41:04,413 --> 01:41:08,213
Speaker 22: we're in Hamilton. Who was the biggest rugby icon in Hamilton?

1968
01:41:08,253 --> 01:41:09,973
Speaker 22: And you land on Stephen Donald, don't you?

1969
01:41:10,053 --> 01:41:10,973
Speaker 2: You land on Beaver?

1970
01:41:11,333 --> 01:41:13,413
Speaker 22: So he's going to come down and join us live

1971
01:41:13,413 --> 01:41:15,213
Speaker 22: at one o'clock. I said, come on, mate, you've got

1972
01:41:15,293 --> 01:41:16,653
Speaker 22: to come down. He said, yeah, I've got a bit

1973
01:41:16,693 --> 01:41:18,293
Speaker 22: on today, but I will come down. So he's with

1974
01:41:18,413 --> 01:41:21,453
Speaker 22: us after one o'clock. After two, another couple of White

1975
01:41:21,493 --> 01:41:25,613
Speaker 22: Cup to rugby legends Matthew Cooper and Steve Gordon going

1976
01:41:25,653 --> 01:41:27,853
Speaker 22: to be here, but we'll flavor it across the afternoon

1977
01:41:27,893 --> 01:41:30,573
Speaker 22: as well, with some guests here at the at the

1978
01:41:30,653 --> 01:41:33,293
Speaker 22: Roaming Giant. But also this really interesting story this week,

1979
01:41:33,373 --> 01:41:35,213
Speaker 22: Jack that I'm sure you've picked up on Rugby three

1980
01:41:35,413 --> 01:41:38,333
Speaker 22: sixty and the fact that this new professional competition is

1981
01:41:38,373 --> 01:41:41,373
Speaker 22: starting to turn the heads of not only top rugby players,

1982
01:41:41,373 --> 01:41:43,853
Speaker 22: but top rugby league players, the likes of Roger to

1983
01:41:43,893 --> 01:41:45,613
Speaker 22: We've asked to Sheeck as well, this is this real

1984
01:41:46,093 --> 01:41:48,333
Speaker 22: or is this just a fantasy? Is this just another

1985
01:41:48,653 --> 01:41:52,093
Speaker 22: one of these ideas that sounds good but won't ever

1986
01:41:52,173 --> 01:41:54,733
Speaker 22: actually come to fruition? Want to unpack that after midday

1987
01:41:54,773 --> 01:41:55,173
Speaker 22: to day.

1988
01:41:55,133 --> 01:41:58,093
Speaker 2: And anyway you can gauge what the result might be

1989
01:41:58,653 --> 01:42:01,893
Speaker 2: in your beloved capital city this afternoon with the Phoenix

1990
01:42:01,933 --> 01:42:02,413
Speaker 2: and Rexham.

1991
01:42:02,693 --> 01:42:04,773
Speaker 22: Yeah, it seems odd to be away from Wellington on

1992
01:42:04,893 --> 01:42:07,253
Speaker 22: there's a Phoenix game going on. But great news this morning.

1993
01:42:07,333 --> 01:42:09,133
Speaker 22: Again you would have picked up on this. Libby Kacacchi

1994
01:42:09,173 --> 01:42:11,413
Speaker 22: has signed for Wrexham. Just a bit too late to

1995
01:42:11,493 --> 01:42:14,053
Speaker 22: feature in this game unfortunately. Look it's a it's a

1996
01:42:14,093 --> 01:42:16,693
Speaker 22: pretty inexperienced Phoenix side. They're missing a couple of their

1997
01:42:17,373 --> 01:42:19,973
Speaker 22: of their you know, they're older and more experienced players.

1998
01:42:20,013 --> 01:42:23,253
Speaker 22: But I think in occasion this afternoon for the faithful

1999
01:42:23,253 --> 01:42:26,093
Speaker 22: and Wellington. Upwards of twenty twenty five thousand expected at

2000
01:42:26,133 --> 01:42:28,533
Speaker 22: sky Stadium, so a great occasion for the for the

2001
01:42:28,533 --> 01:42:30,253
Speaker 22: football fans of the Capitol as well.

2002
01:42:30,373 --> 01:42:32,413
Speaker 2: So good hey, you have fun this afternoon. We'll be

2003
01:42:32,453 --> 01:42:36,813
Speaker 2: thinking of you. I know you well. Jason Fine broadcasting

2004
01:42:37,253 --> 01:42:40,173
Speaker 2: from the Roaming Giant in Hamilton as he counts down

2005
01:42:40,213 --> 01:42:42,213
Speaker 2: to the kickoff for the All Backs versus France and

2006
01:42:42,253 --> 01:42:45,133
Speaker 2: the Third Test this evening. Don't forget, of course, that

2007
01:42:45,333 --> 01:42:48,773
Speaker 2: Jason is part of the Newstalks EDB team who will

2008
01:42:48,813 --> 01:42:52,093
Speaker 2: be bringing you the live coverage of the game live

2009
01:42:52,213 --> 01:42:55,253
Speaker 2: call from six o'clock this evening on News talks 'EDB

2010
01:42:55,413 --> 01:42:57,893
Speaker 2: kickoff just after seven The All Backs in France in

2011
01:42:58,053 --> 01:43:01,533
Speaker 2: Hamilton FMG Stadium twenty four to twelve on Newstalks EDB.

2012
01:43:01,653 --> 01:43:04,493
Speaker 2: Before midday, We've got that new music from Polar Extremes.

2013
01:43:04,533 --> 01:43:07,413
Speaker 2: Your book picks for the weekend next and luding Polkinghorn

2014
01:43:07,493 --> 01:43:09,013
Speaker 2: by Steve Braunius.

2015
01:43:09,853 --> 01:43:14,053
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Folk Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2016
01:43:14,373 --> 01:43:17,533
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks EDB twenty.

2017
01:43:17,293 --> 01:43:20,053
Speaker 2: Two to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Jason Pine

2018
01:43:20,133 --> 01:43:24,013
Speaker 2: might have been pulled away from his beloved Wellington to

2019
01:43:24,093 --> 01:43:26,133
Speaker 2: be in Hamilton for the All Blacks, but of course

2020
01:43:26,533 --> 01:43:30,093
Speaker 2: Wellington is hosting Wrexham FC versus the Phoenix later this

2021
01:43:30,173 --> 01:43:33,613
Speaker 2: afternoon five pm kickoff, and Catherine Rain's, our book reviewer,

2022
01:43:33,733 --> 01:43:36,413
Speaker 2: is going to be there in the stands. Hey Catherine, Hey,

2023
01:43:36,573 --> 01:43:37,093
Speaker 2: how you doing?

2024
01:43:37,253 --> 01:43:37,453
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2025
01:43:37,693 --> 01:43:39,653
Speaker 2: Very good? Thanks so so you're a Rexham fan or

2026
01:43:39,693 --> 01:43:40,373
Speaker 2: a Phoenix fan.

2027
01:43:41,253 --> 01:43:43,933
Speaker 15: Ah, look, probably a little bit of divided loyalties, but

2028
01:43:44,613 --> 01:43:46,973
Speaker 15: probably erring slightly towards Wrexham.

2029
01:43:47,013 --> 01:43:48,333
Speaker 2: I think, just very good.

2030
01:43:48,533 --> 01:43:51,613
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think I'll go and hang out at the

2031
01:43:52,053 --> 01:43:55,413
Speaker 15: Makeshift to pub and see what the atmosphere is like

2032
01:43:55,773 --> 01:43:56,533
Speaker 15: and start from there.

2033
01:43:56,573 --> 01:43:58,493
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be so much fun. Amazing,

2034
01:43:58,573 --> 01:44:00,453
Speaker 2: isn't it. How like a TV show like that can

2035
01:44:00,653 --> 01:44:03,373
Speaker 2: can and I presume you've watched the TV show, can

2036
01:44:03,573 --> 01:44:06,093
Speaker 2: can develop a fan base around the world so that

2037
01:44:06,533 --> 01:44:08,773
Speaker 2: a team like that can tour Australia and New Zealand

2038
01:44:08,853 --> 01:44:10,533
Speaker 2: and they can expect twenty thousand fans.

2039
01:44:11,733 --> 01:44:13,853
Speaker 15: I just think it's amazing, and I think I also

2040
01:44:13,973 --> 01:44:17,053
Speaker 15: think that what Ryan Reynolds and Rob mclhoney have done

2041
01:44:17,213 --> 01:44:19,773
Speaker 15: for the team. I mean, obviously their Hollywood background has helped,

2042
01:44:20,613 --> 01:44:22,493
Speaker 15: you know, but just how they've built up the city

2043
01:44:22,493 --> 01:44:24,133
Speaker 15: of Rixham as well and the people around it. And

2044
01:44:24,213 --> 01:44:25,773
Speaker 15: what I like about the TV show is that they

2045
01:44:25,853 --> 01:44:27,613
Speaker 15: talk about all of the characters that are involved, and

2046
01:44:27,653 --> 01:44:29,413
Speaker 15: it's not just about the players, it's about the town.

2047
01:44:29,773 --> 01:44:32,573
Speaker 15: It's a really interesting watcher for sure. Anybody hasn't watched

2048
01:44:32,573 --> 01:44:33,413
Speaker 15: it as well as well.

2049
01:44:33,533 --> 01:44:35,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they called the real life Ted Lesso

2050
01:44:35,413 --> 01:44:35,813
Speaker 2: in a sense?

2051
01:44:36,653 --> 01:44:37,053
Speaker 7: Yeah they do.

2052
01:44:37,333 --> 01:44:39,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh so good. So they're in the championship

2053
01:44:40,013 --> 01:44:42,293
Speaker 2: next season, which is going to be a big ask

2054
01:44:42,373 --> 01:44:44,573
Speaker 2: but amazing and so good that the Big Cacci is

2055
01:44:44,573 --> 01:44:46,013
Speaker 2: going to be playing for them as well. But anyway,

2056
01:44:46,933 --> 01:44:50,053
Speaker 2: two reads to recommend to us this weekend, So we

2057
01:44:50,133 --> 01:44:53,213
Speaker 2: will begin with the latest from Steve Braunius tell us

2058
01:44:53,253 --> 01:44:54,133
Speaker 2: about Polkinghorn.

2059
01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:57,893
Speaker 15: So this is where and Steve Bornis is as a

2060
01:44:57,973 --> 01:45:00,253
Speaker 15: journalist and he's covered a lot of murder trials in

2061
01:45:00,293 --> 01:45:03,533
Speaker 15: New Zealand, and this one about Pokinghorn he's set through

2062
01:45:03,653 --> 01:45:06,373
Speaker 15: and he'd listened to what you can only really describe.

2063
01:45:06,413 --> 01:45:09,653
Speaker 15: I was a very intriguing and unusual murder case. And

2064
01:45:09,733 --> 01:45:12,493
Speaker 15: of course this covers that eight week trial of Philip Polkihorn,

2065
01:45:12,533 --> 01:45:15,653
Speaker 15: who was accused of murdering his wife Pauline Hannah, and

2066
01:45:15,733 --> 01:45:18,373
Speaker 15: the police quickly suspected him of murder and then sort

2067
01:45:18,373 --> 01:45:21,933
Speaker 15: of slowly, and as Braunius describes, not altogether in a

2068
01:45:21,973 --> 01:45:25,213
Speaker 15: particularly competent way, went about investigating every aspect of his

2069
01:45:25,333 --> 01:45:28,253
Speaker 15: life and a lot about his sex life, and finally

2070
01:45:29,053 --> 01:45:31,653
Speaker 15: arresting him for the murder of his wife sixteen months

2071
01:45:31,693 --> 01:45:34,053
Speaker 15: after he made the one one one call after saying

2072
01:45:34,093 --> 01:45:36,613
Speaker 15: that she hanged herself in their roomy were a home

2073
01:45:37,213 --> 01:45:40,093
Speaker 15: And of course now we know he's been acquitted, and

2074
01:45:41,213 --> 01:45:45,893
Speaker 15: it's it's just it's fascinating. He Braunius discusses Madison Ashton,

2075
01:45:45,973 --> 01:45:49,373
Speaker 15: the sex worker who had this relationship with Popyhorn, and

2076
01:45:49,693 --> 01:45:51,733
Speaker 15: you know, kind of that was the motive that he

2077
01:45:51,853 --> 01:45:54,253
Speaker 15: had to kill Pokinghorn. But you know, as we know,

2078
01:45:54,413 --> 01:45:57,093
Speaker 15: she disappeared and refused to appear, only of course later

2079
01:45:57,173 --> 01:46:01,413
Speaker 15: to have converse fully with the media. And what I

2080
01:46:01,493 --> 01:46:04,973
Speaker 15: found really fascinating about it is that normally when someone's

2081
01:46:04,973 --> 01:46:07,253
Speaker 15: on trial for murder, they kind of hidden sort of

2082
01:46:07,293 --> 01:46:09,533
Speaker 15: behind a glass box and that's where they are, and

2083
01:46:09,653 --> 01:46:11,493
Speaker 15: he wasn't confined to that at all. He sort of

2084
01:46:11,533 --> 01:46:13,653
Speaker 15: had a rose to himself behind his legal team, and

2085
01:46:13,813 --> 01:46:15,693
Speaker 15: he appeared at the kind of the dock at the

2086
01:46:15,733 --> 01:46:17,333
Speaker 15: beginning of the trial to enter his plea and at

2087
01:46:17,373 --> 01:46:19,573
Speaker 15: the very end otherwise he was sort of part of

2088
01:46:19,613 --> 01:46:22,253
Speaker 15: the population. And you know, I suspect that he formed

2089
01:46:22,293 --> 01:46:25,213
Speaker 15: some relation, you know, relationships with people in Chattingham in

2090
01:46:25,413 --> 01:46:29,613
Speaker 15: the courtroom, and but the trial revealed these very dark

2091
01:46:29,893 --> 01:46:32,933
Speaker 15: secrets of these privileged and very unhappy life and brauni

2092
01:46:32,973 --> 01:46:35,133
Speaker 15: has had access to many of those key players in

2093
01:46:35,213 --> 01:46:38,573
Speaker 15: the investigation and it just it makes for really interesting

2094
01:46:38,693 --> 01:46:40,173
Speaker 15: reading and a different perspective on it.

2095
01:46:41,013 --> 01:46:43,733
Speaker 2: So that's Polkinghorn by Steve Braunius. You've also read Broke

2096
01:46:43,853 --> 01:46:46,533
Speaker 2: Road by Matthew Spencer, so this for.

2097
01:46:46,613 --> 01:46:51,093
Speaker 15: Something completely different. There's follows two detectives, There's Rose Riley

2098
01:46:51,133 --> 01:46:53,813
Speaker 15: and DC Prior Patel, and they head north to this

2099
01:46:54,653 --> 01:46:56,773
Speaker 15: village in New South Wales in the beautiful Hunter valley

2100
01:46:56,813 --> 01:47:00,533
Speaker 15: called Red Creek, and a young married woman there, Penelope Armitage,

2101
01:47:00,573 --> 01:47:04,653
Speaker 15: has been strangled in her home on this newly built

2102
01:47:04,773 --> 01:47:07,533
Speaker 15: townhouse on this residential avalil development, and it becomes very

2103
01:47:07,573 --> 01:47:10,693
Speaker 15: clear that she knew who had attacked her and who

2104
01:47:10,813 --> 01:47:14,333
Speaker 15: murdered her, but the evidence suggests that she was alone.

2105
01:47:14,693 --> 01:47:15,893
Speaker 10: And so Riley.

2106
01:47:17,213 --> 01:47:19,293
Speaker 15: Is told to be wary of the local police force

2107
01:47:19,333 --> 01:47:20,813
Speaker 15: and she sort of sets up her own instant a

2108
01:47:20,893 --> 01:47:23,413
Speaker 15: room away from the police station. And then the media

2109
01:47:23,453 --> 01:47:26,573
Speaker 15: becomes interested and the tablaiu joiness lists start to appear,

2110
01:47:27,253 --> 01:47:29,733
Speaker 15: and then their friend are very trusted true home journalist,

2111
01:47:29,733 --> 01:47:31,653
Speaker 15: a guy called Adam Bowman. He appears too, and he

2112
01:47:31,733 --> 01:47:33,973
Speaker 15: starts to talk about the series, and they're joined by

2113
01:47:34,013 --> 01:47:36,773
Speaker 15: this local detective, a guy called Christian Rigus, and they

2114
01:47:36,813 --> 01:47:39,893
Speaker 15: investigate the circumstances of the death and carry out these

2115
01:47:39,933 --> 01:47:43,173
Speaker 15: investigations and witnesses and Bowman, on the other hand, is

2116
01:47:43,253 --> 01:47:46,133
Speaker 15: using his journalistic skills to sort of deep dig deep,

2117
01:47:47,173 --> 01:47:49,653
Speaker 15: to a deep dive into the political ruption, corruption within

2118
01:47:49,733 --> 01:47:53,133
Speaker 15: the community. And then the forensic results come in and

2119
01:47:53,173 --> 01:47:55,413
Speaker 15: there's a connection to other murders, one in Canberra and

2120
01:47:55,493 --> 01:47:57,853
Speaker 15: one in Adelaide, and Riley and I ten got to

2121
01:47:57,893 --> 01:48:00,373
Speaker 15: figure out how they're connected and narrowing down their suspect

2122
01:48:00,613 --> 01:48:03,373
Speaker 15: list and work out who they're dealing with. And the

2123
01:48:03,613 --> 01:48:06,173
Speaker 15: author does this really good job of building suspense and

2124
01:48:06,653 --> 01:48:09,373
Speaker 15: lots of suspects and keeps the story moving and lots

2125
01:48:09,413 --> 01:48:12,293
Speaker 15: of read hearings and shifty characters, and it's that kind

2126
01:48:12,333 --> 01:48:14,253
Speaker 15: of book that you just keep wondering, who really did it?

2127
01:48:14,493 --> 01:48:16,813
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, that sounds great. So that's Broke Road by

2128
01:48:16,853 --> 01:48:20,853
Speaker 2: Matthew Spencer. Catherine's first book was Polkinghorn by Steve Brawny.

2129
01:48:20,853 --> 01:48:22,813
Speaker 2: Has have a great time at the game this afternoon,

2130
01:48:22,813 --> 01:48:23,173
Speaker 2: won't you?

2131
01:48:23,933 --> 01:48:24,533
Speaker 16: I will thank you.

2132
01:48:24,813 --> 01:48:26,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be thinking of you. Katherine Raine's our book

2133
01:48:26,773 --> 01:48:28,413
Speaker 2: reviewer there. Those books will be on the news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd beg website as well. Sixteen to twelve and a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes new music from Polar Extremes.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to Know.

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01:48:37,973 --> 01:48:41,133
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and bpewre dot co dot

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Speaker 1: in for high quality supplements news talks, it'd.

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Speaker 2: Be this is Polar Extremes. The songs called so what

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01:49:20,973 --> 01:49:22,813
Speaker 2: if I'm on the television and you slept with all

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01:49:22,853 --> 01:49:25,413
Speaker 2: one song and of interesting how it changed between the

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01:49:25,933 --> 01:49:29,093
Speaker 2: rhythms there are. They've just released an album called Strange

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01:49:29,293 --> 01:49:33,133
Speaker 2: Vision Volume one. Estelle Clifford has been listening to it.

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01:49:33,693 --> 01:49:36,293
Speaker 2: She's our music reverewan. She's with us now, Kildra Stelle.

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01:49:36,453 --> 01:49:39,293
Speaker 23: Oh calder morning, just bringing you something a little eclectic

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01:49:39,413 --> 01:49:40,373
Speaker 23: and different today.

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Speaker 2: I think that's an understatement. No, it's cool. It's not

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01:49:44,493 --> 01:49:46,653
Speaker 2: it's not a criticism. It's cool. Yeah, it's great.

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01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:49,093
Speaker 23: I was going to say it's a scopism, but then

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01:49:49,293 --> 01:49:51,573
Speaker 23: when you get into the lyrics and the storytelling, it's

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01:49:51,573 --> 01:49:54,613
Speaker 23: actually very right on the nose of kind of how

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01:49:54,693 --> 01:49:58,053
Speaker 23: the world is right now and you know commentary on

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01:49:58,293 --> 01:50:00,053
Speaker 23: sort of where we're at that that song there so

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01:50:00,533 --> 01:50:03,093
Speaker 23: on the television. Actually, my favor of the whole album

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01:50:03,293 --> 01:50:04,853
Speaker 23: when you when it's got the opener, you go right

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01:50:04,853 --> 01:50:06,893
Speaker 23: to the beginning of it. It's got this really funk bass.

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01:50:07,213 --> 01:50:11,053
Speaker 23: It's quite spacey opener. His vocals are really great on it,

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01:50:11,213 --> 01:50:14,013
Speaker 23: and the really running scene throughout this entire album is

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01:50:14,173 --> 01:50:17,653
Speaker 23: he's just an excellent musician, great musical little track that

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01:50:17,733 --> 01:50:21,533
Speaker 23: you can just sink into polar extremes. The artist behind

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01:50:21,573 --> 01:50:24,613
Speaker 23: that is called Quaint. He's very elusive, doesn't really have

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01:50:24,693 --> 01:50:28,733
Speaker 23: a huge social media profile or anything, and from the

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01:50:28,773 --> 01:50:34,173
Speaker 23: press release it says sci fi infused, postmodern satirical apocalyptic beats.

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01:50:34,453 --> 01:50:35,293
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

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Speaker 23: If I was going to make it a little more simplified,

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01:50:37,933 --> 01:50:40,973
Speaker 23: I would think just imagine him performing in some of

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01:50:41,093 --> 01:50:44,893
Speaker 23: the really cool grungey theaters of Wellington doing their underground

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01:50:45,093 --> 01:50:48,573
Speaker 23: kind of performance sort of music. I think David Bowie

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01:50:49,213 --> 01:50:53,053
Speaker 23: Flight to the Concords. Yeah, and then there's some weird, funny,

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01:50:53,213 --> 01:50:55,373
Speaker 23: dark wit stuff that goes along with.

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01:50:56,533 --> 01:50:57,653
Speaker 2: Sort of vaudeville slash.

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01:50:57,693 --> 01:50:59,653
Speaker 23: It wouldn't be out of place at a steampunk event,

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01:51:00,013 --> 01:51:02,093
Speaker 23: right right, Yeah, it kind of makes me think of that.

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Speaker 2: And it's just a one person yeah yeah, Quaint is

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01:51:07,493 --> 01:51:07,773
Speaker 2: just a.

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01:51:07,813 --> 01:51:10,453
Speaker 23: Single person, and I kind of like that elusiveness. I

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01:51:10,493 --> 01:51:13,053
Speaker 23: think it draws you in a little bit where you're like, who, what,

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01:51:13,293 --> 01:51:15,453
Speaker 23: why and how is this getting put together?

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01:51:15,653 --> 01:51:19,093
Speaker 2: But to hold the extremes is Quaint, which is one person,

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01:51:19,253 --> 01:51:21,933
Speaker 2: So it's not yeah yeah right, okay, okay, yeah, I

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01:51:21,973 --> 01:51:24,013
Speaker 2: think all morning.

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01:51:24,293 --> 01:51:27,333
Speaker 23: Well there could be like maybe yeah right, so performing

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01:51:27,373 --> 01:51:29,533
Speaker 23: tonight at Moon and Wellington, so maybe once you see

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01:51:29,813 --> 01:51:32,373
Speaker 23: live shows, yea, yeah, come back to us. Because this

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01:51:32,693 --> 01:51:35,013
Speaker 23: this album actually came out in twenty nineteen, a very

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01:51:35,093 --> 01:51:40,773
Speaker 23: quiet digital release like posts pre Pandemic rather, and then

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01:51:40,773 --> 01:51:44,213
Speaker 23: it sort of just kind of disappeared like a trial

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01:51:44,253 --> 01:51:46,613
Speaker 23: and erar. But the songs have been getting put together again.

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01:51:47,413 --> 01:51:50,293
Speaker 23: Quaint has been performing, you know, in the Wellington underground

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01:51:50,293 --> 01:51:52,813
Speaker 23: scene and other musical scenes since the nineties, and so

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01:51:52,973 --> 01:51:56,653
Speaker 23: some of this kind of like music and storytelling were

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01:51:56,733 --> 01:52:00,053
Speaker 23: starting their early two thousands and then you hear these

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01:52:00,093 --> 01:52:02,533
Speaker 23: songs that you're like, this one called consume, right, and

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01:52:02,613 --> 01:52:05,493
Speaker 23: it just basically repeats that lyric consume, consume, consume, and

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01:52:05,533 --> 01:52:08,333
Speaker 23: you're like, oh god, it speaks volumes for where we

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01:52:08,413 --> 01:52:11,413
Speaker 23: are as a people, sometimes, doesn't it where we just

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01:52:12,053 --> 01:52:14,173
Speaker 23: I mean, are we consuming things or are we just

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01:52:14,293 --> 01:52:16,453
Speaker 23: consuming all the resources?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's still very.

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01:52:18,453 --> 01:52:20,613
Speaker 23: Poignant to what is happening in the world right now

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01:52:20,733 --> 01:52:26,333
Speaker 23: and delivered in that very theatrical kind of music way,

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01:52:26,493 --> 01:52:28,333
Speaker 23: and then you can just enjoy actually the layers of

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01:52:28,413 --> 01:52:31,173
Speaker 23: music too, because it's very good and very very clever.

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01:52:31,293 --> 01:52:33,493
Speaker 23: But again, I think if you think Flight of the Conchords,

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01:52:34,653 --> 01:52:37,293
Speaker 23: but then this really pop funk, eclectic sort of sound

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01:52:37,373 --> 01:52:41,853
Speaker 23: going on underneath, it's yeah, it's really it's very cool,

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01:52:41,973 --> 01:52:46,013
Speaker 23: Like I just really like what's going on here. One

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01:52:46,053 --> 01:52:47,733
Speaker 23: of the songs you're going to play us out Worth

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01:52:47,933 --> 01:52:50,613
Speaker 23: is Captain zodiex Dictionary. This is probably one of the

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01:52:50,693 --> 01:52:54,253
Speaker 23: most fully crazy tracks on there, and there's just absolutely

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01:52:54,373 --> 01:52:57,613
Speaker 23: everything going into it, very character filter, you know how

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01:52:57,653 --> 01:53:01,973
Speaker 23: there's sometimes that talky kind of storytelling within a track,

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01:53:03,173 --> 01:53:05,053
Speaker 23: which again is where I point to, like the vaudeville

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01:53:05,253 --> 01:53:08,693
Speaker 23: kind of performance, sing punky kind of thing, but the

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01:53:08,853 --> 01:53:11,653
Speaker 23: music still really draws you in with the layers of production.

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01:53:11,773 --> 01:53:14,613
Speaker 23: I think it's it's fun, it's a little bit twisted

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01:53:14,693 --> 01:53:19,053
Speaker 23: and dark, but clever and beautiful soundtracks, so giving it

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01:53:19,173 --> 01:53:21,853
Speaker 23: quite a fresh, funky kind of groove. I think it

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01:53:21,933 --> 01:53:25,053
Speaker 23: really reminds me of working in the theater scene in Wellington. Yeah,

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01:53:25,373 --> 01:53:27,493
Speaker 23: Like I'm pretty sure he's Auckland based, but it just

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01:53:27,573 --> 01:53:30,493
Speaker 23: gives me that really it collected sort of vibe from there.

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01:53:30,493 --> 01:53:31,853
Speaker 23: There's a song on there actually too, if you want

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01:53:31,853 --> 01:53:33,173
Speaker 23: to track it down. It's at the end of the album.

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01:53:33,173 --> 01:53:35,573
Speaker 23: It's called Harps, and there's every kind of sound in

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01:53:35,653 --> 01:53:38,813
Speaker 23: there excepta harp, but it has some really great brass

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01:53:39,173 --> 01:53:43,333
Speaker 23: and Quaint says it's one to unite the Chakras. Yeah,

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01:53:43,413 --> 01:53:45,613
Speaker 23: and each song on the album has its little icon

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01:53:45,733 --> 01:53:47,453
Speaker 23: picture and it's a clock. It's a time clock, right

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01:53:47,453 --> 01:53:50,533
Speaker 23: because it's the apocalyptic time clock, and each little one

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01:53:50,613 --> 01:53:52,413
Speaker 23: has an icon picture, and the one for Harps is

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01:53:52,413 --> 01:53:54,213
Speaker 23: a mushroom. So I don't know if we've going on

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01:53:54,293 --> 01:53:56,013
Speaker 23: some little random trip, but I'm just going to put

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01:53:56,053 --> 01:53:58,733
Speaker 23: that out there that I've sort of enjoyed the visuals

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01:53:58,733 --> 01:54:00,613
Speaker 23: that go along with it. And again, I think if

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01:54:00,653 --> 01:54:02,733
Speaker 23: you get to see this live, because now it's having

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01:54:02,733 --> 01:54:05,053
Speaker 23: a bigger release than it did, and it's quiet, little

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01:54:05,093 --> 01:54:09,253
Speaker 23: Heyday of twenty nineteen apparently part of a trilogy too,

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01:54:09,373 --> 01:54:11,413
Speaker 23: but again that's very mysterious as to whether or not

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01:54:11,413 --> 01:54:16,013
Speaker 23: it will happen. Maybe if Polar Extremes is inspired to

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Speaker 23: write some more, we'll see, maybe see how this sits

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01:54:19,013 --> 01:54:21,653
Speaker 23: with everyone. But if you're wanting, yeah, just to change

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01:54:21,693 --> 01:54:23,973
Speaker 23: it up a little bit, but still enjoy some really

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01:54:24,053 --> 01:54:27,093
Speaker 23: great music and production, it's all in this album.

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01:54:27,333 --> 01:54:31,413
Speaker 2: Sounds great, sounds really interesting. Yeah, it sounds interesting. It's quirky.

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01:54:31,613 --> 01:54:34,813
Speaker 23: Let's go quirky and eclectic and just go somewhere a

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01:54:34,853 --> 01:54:36,253
Speaker 23: little different. I think you'll enjoy it.

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01:54:36,373 --> 01:54:36,533
Speaker 5: Cool.

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01:54:36,653 --> 01:54:37,613
Speaker 2: Okay, so what did you give it?

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01:54:38,693 --> 01:54:40,573
Speaker 23: I'm yeah, I'm going to give it a ten out

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Speaker 23: of ten. Really really sunk into this album over the

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01:54:44,253 --> 01:54:48,533
Speaker 23: last few days, and I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying this sort

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01:54:48,533 --> 01:54:49,573
Speaker 23: of challenging me a little bit.

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01:54:49,773 --> 01:54:52,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, cool, we'll have a bit more in

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01:54:52,333 --> 01:54:54,293
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. We'll listen to that. Captain Zobia

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Speaker 2: A ZODIACX Dictionary, the one you recommend, Thank you, Estelle

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01:54:57,853 --> 01:55:00,013
Speaker 2: and the Style. Clifford Our music reviewer gives it ten

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01:55:00,093 --> 01:55:04,253
Speaker 2: out of ten. That's strange Vision Volume one by Poldar Extremes.

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01:55:04,733 --> 01:55:09,013
Speaker 2: Quaint is the artist behind Polar Extremes and yeah, we'll

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01:55:09,013 --> 01:55:10,453
Speaker 2: pay a bit more for you in a few minutes time.

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