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Speaker 1: Digging through the spith spins to find the real story boring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupaicy on Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talksb.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoons. You do you remember me? That's right,

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Speaker 2: my name's Heather and I'm back. How good to be

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Speaker 2: back with you. Coming up today, we're going to have

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Speaker 2: a chat to a driving instructor on scrapping that second test,

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Speaker 2: more cash into marketing overseas and Finance Minister. As always

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Speaker 2: on a Monday after sex and Nikola Willis will be

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Speaker 2: with us. Heather Duplicy Allen right, well, as I say,

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Speaker 2: it's very very good to be back with you. Finally,

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Speaker 2: it's been a long time. I've actually been off air

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what did that give me an

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Speaker 2: news media. Ahla that aut news media survey which came

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Speaker 2: what I did was most of the time that I

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Speaker 2: was on maternity leave, I just didn't listen to news

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Speaker 2: talk ZB and you know, obviously love the station, but

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Speaker 2: it's my work, right, So it's the equivalent of being,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, a librarian on maternity leaf, but just

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Speaker 2: So I decided I'm not going to listen to work.

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Speaker 2: what the heck Benjamin Doyle was doing using a pretty

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump did that. He was appealing to his voters,

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Speaker 2: By the way, as the text number hit me with it.

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Speaker 2: It turns out and uncompletely unrelated news, turns out our

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Speaker 2: he that does this worry you? The use of the stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's coming up eighteen past four Jason Pine sports

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Speaker 2: talk hosters with us Piney. Hello, welcome back, Heather. Did

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Speaker 4: I think we know that's not true. I would I

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Speaker 2: A I listened to you yesterday and I thought, no,

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Speaker 2: than I thought. Piney, thank you for as always making

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Speaker 2: Really, it was something we're all looking forward to.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I will ever see the Warriors

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Speaker 4: and we will never again beat them. Seventeen straight losses

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Speaker 2: Another incredible aim.

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Speaker 4: I mean really they just Melbourne are good. Don't get

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Speaker 2: Listen, Piney, I've obviously been away for a little while,

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Speaker 2: so I've been watching the Liam Lawson things, you know

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Speaker 4: No, no, I hopeless. I think we need to accept

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Speaker 2: Thank you for giving us some context. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That's Jason Pine our Sports Talk coaster. We're back seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock this evening here on news Talk. The reason I

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Speaker 2: it's just not that flash, is it. Heither, How did

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Speaker 1: forward a when it's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, let's get connected. Did the news dogs be hi?

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Speaker 2: Heather? I absolutely endorse your observations regarding TV news. It's

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Speaker 2: very biased negativity towards the government, very unbalanced with cherry

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Speaker 2: I just tell you this, I had the most I

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Speaker 2: I am not exaggerating. This is the god honest truth.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Mums, mums around the

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Speaker 2: how she does it. This is Nicolawulis talk to Nicolaulus,

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Speaker 2: the Finance Minister after six o'clock about Donald Trump's trap

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Speaker 7: I know you said this.

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Speaker 8: Time you really are coming back again, baby, baby, start

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Speaker 8: this telling me the same.

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Speaker 9: Oh, Noise, it was a last name.

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Speaker 7: Noise was a last name.

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Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

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Speaker 1: hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 5: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: The Peterson is going to be at us out of

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Speaker 2: this half hours through. We got byway some tourism numbers

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Speaker 2: see us in the next wee. Whisk we have a

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Speaker 2: five right now, it's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: So Albow over in Australia has announced that his government

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Speaker 2: in young Australian. Sound familiar to you, Yeah, it sounds

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Speaker 2: just like here we build, doesn't it. Well. Elbow's confident

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Speaker 9: This isn't theoretical.

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Speaker 10: This is happening right now behind us.

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Speaker 2: OLLI will cover that off in just a minute. At

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Speaker 2: least thirty four people have died in a Russian strike

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Speaker 2: Here's Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski.

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Speaker 11: Every Russian missile, every drone and every glide box strikes

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Speaker 2: And finally, that's the sound of a helicopter crash. Now,

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Speaker 2: a helicopter crash in South Africa has been blamed on

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Olli Peterson, it's our Perth Life Presenters with us Ali.

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Speaker 12: Hello, get ahead, long time, no chat.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Good to talk to you. Listen as Albert googled

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Speaker 2: how that one hundred thousand dollars one hundred thousand houses

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand wind?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right, he's just stolen key we build.

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Speaker 13: He thought that that was a good idea.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I'll be honest with you, let's be all

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Speaker 12: Just drive up property prices and Peter Dutton's tax concessions

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Speaker 12: deductions at least frames it towards the idea of making

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Speaker 12: the economists are all warning today the bigger picture here,

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Speaker 12: to be perfectly blunt, Heather is just yesterday at both launchers,

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Speaker 2: Can we afford it? We're heading towards a trillion dollars

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Speaker 2: in debt. Yeah, but now are you telling me that

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Speaker 14: Of course we are, because.

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Speaker 2: They've been promising this for years.

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Speaker 12: I mean they've had a whole building scheme for this

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Speaker 13: They delivered bugger all.

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Speaker 5: So how they all all of.

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Speaker 12: A sudden going to be able to deliver it in

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Speaker 12: a second term. But I think that's both ways. It's

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Speaker 2: It just is a reality at the moment, Heather.

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Speaker 12: Until we tackle migration, we're going to continue to have

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Speaker 2: Yes point, listen, what's going wrong with your maths?

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Speaker 14: We just can't do it.

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Speaker 12: So the nap pland testing, which is the bugbear of

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Speaker 12: to really show some disturbing habits, particularly amongst students in

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Speaker 12: four you would consider a competent maths. Now you compare

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Speaker 12: Singapore is about fifty percent. And you know, ultimately we

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Speaker 12: know how to do maths. They're worried about the teaching

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Speaker 2: Isn't it? Yeah, well, yeah, isn't it. Just well, good

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Speaker 2: luck with that. I mean, you've first got to teach

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Speaker 2: maths to actually have them understand it. But it's the

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Speaker 2: same problem we face. Listen, tell me about this. So

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Speaker 2: the Metro in Sydney has been such is such a

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Speaker 2: hat you guys actually don't have enough trains.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. I mean, if you think about how

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Speaker 12: popular metro is. I looked at this before because I

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Speaker 12: thought it was interesting. The population of Sydney, you know,

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Speaker 12: is the population of New Zealand. Yeah, so there's a

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Speaker 12: bit of context for everybody, and you probably already knew that.

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Speaker 12: I thought that was fascinating. But the metro comes every

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Speaker 12: four minutes in Sydney. Now this is from Bankstown to Tullawong.

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Speaker 12: I caught it myself over summer. I think it's amazing.

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Speaker 12: It's like the underground in London, but the new metro

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Speaker 12: comes every four minutes. Fifty seven thousand people are moved

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Speaker 12: between the peak hour in the morning just in one hour,

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Speaker 12: but they now need fourteen more trains to be able

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Speaker 12: to send those extra services every three minutes instead of

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Speaker 12: every four minutes. So the popularity of this metro is

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Speaker 12: just exceeding expectations. And what I love about it is

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Speaker 12: we all are naysays when it comes to good public transport.

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Speaker 12: Here's an example of something that works. I mean, all

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Speaker 12: of our cities will be experiencing growing pains head obviously

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Speaker 12: Perth and you and I are not exactly right where

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Speaker 12: Sydney is at the moment, but we will be in

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Speaker 12: the years to come. So let's look at an example

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Speaker 12: like this and have some future forward thinking and planning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's about doing it,

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Speaker 2: but actually doing it well that makes the difference. Oli,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much, really appreciate chatting to you. That's Oliver

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Speaker 2: Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of good news for Donald Trump because lately. It hasn't

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Speaker 2: been fantastic news, has it. He's got his annual medical

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Speaker 2: report out, and he's actually in pretty good shape for it.

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Speaker 2: He's the oldest. Remember, he is the oldest president the

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Speaker 2: States has ever had, right, so the fact that he's

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Speaker 2: in good shape says a lot. You want the guy

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Speaker 2: to be in good shape. He's lost nine cages since

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Speaker 2: he had his last annual medical report in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: He is now not obese anymore. He's just overweight. This

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Speaker 2: is according to the BMI, So he's sitting in it

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Speaker 2: slightly under one hundred and two CAGs. His total cholesterol

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Speaker 2: is one hundred and forty anything below two hundred I

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Speaker 2: think is considered good. Has blood pressure is one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty eight over seventy four, sitting a bit on

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Speaker 2: the high side. Might want to address that. Probably not

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Speaker 2: helped by the KFC and all the cheeseburgers and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Resting heart rate of sixty two beats per minute, which

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Speaker 2: is actually impressive because anything between sixty and one hundred

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Speaker 2: is normal. Sixty two is right at the low end.

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Speaker 2: Got a bit of minus sun damage to his skin,

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Speaker 2: and that's been put down to and I quote frequent

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Speaker 2: victories in golf for Vet's politics is next.

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Speaker 1: The politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editors, with us Thomas Hallo.

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Speaker 15: Hello here the welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. Congrats on the job. How

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Speaker 2: it's day one for you? Isn't it?

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Speaker 15: Day one? Day one? Yeah, it's been. It's been great

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Speaker 15: so far. I've really enjoyed it. We're a bit nervous,

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Speaker 15: but I'm doing my best.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, now you'll be fantastic aut it, Thomas, don't

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Speaker 2: worry about a thing. Now, tell me what you make

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Speaker 2: of this lux and versus Winston thing in the trade

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Speaker 2: war comments. Is it as the Prime Minister says, a

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Speaker 2: media beat up?

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Speaker 15: I have to say I don't think it is. I

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Speaker 15: think it's probably inappropriate. Winston Peter's over the weekend making

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Speaker 15: these remarks that that calling the words that the Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister has been using hysterical and short sighted. Those weren't

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Speaker 15: directly at what the Prime Minister had been saying. They

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Speaker 15: were at people who were using similar words to what

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Speaker 15: the Prime Minister had been using. So reading to that

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Speaker 15: what you will, I think and you heard David Seymour

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Speaker 15: say it on the Country earlier today that the Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister is basically the de facto foreign minister and Black

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Speaker 15: at least he should probably have his way when it

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Speaker 15: comes to deciding which direction the country goes that and

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Speaker 15: goes in and the foreign affairs kind of kind of world.

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Speaker 15: That said, I do, I do really think that that

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Speaker 15: Winston has a point when it comes to the lack

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Speaker 15: of consultation. This is a big pivot, like the Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister's decision to hit the phones to basically build this

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Speaker 15: anti unofficially anti Trump coalition of free traders. That is

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Speaker 15: a big decision for New Zealand to go out on

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Speaker 15: a limb and be one of the countries that is

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Speaker 15: most notably in support of free trade and against what

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Speaker 15: the Americans are doing. And it probably would have been

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Speaker 15: wise if he'd circulated that amongst not just New Zealand first,

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Speaker 15: but Act too the coalition.

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Speaker 2: But Thomas, this is not going to be a surprise

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Speaker 2: to anybody that this is New Zealand's position on trade.

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Speaker 2: Right Well, we are one of the leading lights in

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Speaker 2: free trade. So what is Winston worried about?

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Speaker 15: Yes, you're absolutely right. It would look quite ridiculous if

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Speaker 15: New Zealand came out and said where in support of

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Speaker 15: tariffs and cont knows what. I actually thought that the

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Speaker 15: Prime Minister's speech on Thursday was one of his best,

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Speaker 15: where he said, you know, in the nineteen seventies, we

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Speaker 15: tried to put up tariffs and shut the world out

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Speaker 15: and pretend that nothing was happening, and it was an

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Speaker 15: absolute disaster. And that's certainly a very accurate description of

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Speaker 15: what happened there. So yeah, there's no surprise that New

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Speaker 15: Zealand does a free trading country. We're probably one of

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Speaker 15: the most free trading countries in the world. So there's

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Speaker 15: obviously our position. I think we're Winston's coming from and

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Speaker 15: Winston Peters I should be more respectful and my new job,

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Speaker 15: the Foreign Minister, I think where he's coming from. Is

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Speaker 15: is it wise to be sticking a head above the

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Speaker 15: parapet you know?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, And you know those remarks that that were made

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Speaker 15: in the Rose Garden where Donald Trump's sort of like, well, look,

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Speaker 15: these are your tariffs. But if you retaliate, and if

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Speaker 15: you the couples think well we can go further and farther,

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Speaker 15: and you think, right, well, I think we'll just take

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Speaker 15: our ten percent and just quietly go about our business.

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Speaker 15: And that's probably more where Winston Peters is coming.

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Speaker 2: And it's a fair point to say that the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister is the de factor foreign minister and therefore should

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Speaker 2: get his way, right, But if you are looking at

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Speaker 2: the two of them, you'd be dumb not to take

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Speaker 2: the advice Winston Peters, who is our most experienced foreign minister, right.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, And I think you know, Winston Peters has got

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Speaker 15: a really good read on on how the Trump administration

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Speaker 15: thinks and operates. I mean, and that's pretty difficult because

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Speaker 15: the way it thinks and operates changes from out well.

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Speaker 15: And and certainly you know you've seen well you saw

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Speaker 15: a few weeks ago, right with with Ted Cruz getting

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Speaker 15: grumpy about that that that story in the Israeli newspapers

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Speaker 15: about Israeli citizens needing student paperwork to come to New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: That was you know, wrong in the end, but he

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Speaker 15: got very grumpy and it turned into a massive pilava

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Speaker 15: over in the States. You really want to not be

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Speaker 15: on the Americans radar at the moment. They are they

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Speaker 15: are but trigger happy at the moment. And I think

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Speaker 15: you know. That's that's certainly where Winston Peters is coming from.

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Speaker 15: Regardless of the point I think the prime is the

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Speaker 15: point that Prime Minister is making most people agree with,

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Speaker 15: even labors that have and and people on the left.

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Speaker 15: There's a really bipartisan view that that we are a

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Speaker 15: free trading nation and what the Americans are doing right

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Speaker 15: now is bad for us. But but whether or not

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Speaker 15: you need to be drawing attention to it right now,

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Speaker 15: that is certainly something on which the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 15: the Foreign min is that don't appear to be on

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Speaker 15: the same page.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. Listen, I looked at this tourism funding announcement.

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Speaker 2: I thought, for nearly fourteen million bucks to bring about

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Speaker 2: twenty four thousand people here assumes like a hell of

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Speaker 2: a lot of money. It was a five hundred bucks

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Speaker 2: per person, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I haven't actually done done the math on that myself,

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Speaker 15: but yes, certainly it's I mean it's the tourism numbers

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Speaker 15: are down, but on COVID levels it's unclear to me,

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Speaker 15: and I'm not sure the Prime Minister made a strong

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Speaker 15: case today as to whether it's the advertising and the

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Speaker 15: marketing that is responsible for them not coming here. When

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Speaker 15: you look at the numbers, I think the biggest issue

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Speaker 15: is that China is currently having a bit of an

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Speaker 15: economic meltdown, which is probably another reason why you'd want

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Speaker 15: to be be careful with the Americans, because when you

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Speaker 15: look at our trade staff, it's the Americans who are

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Speaker 15: really driving the growth. At the moment, China is not

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Speaker 15: really the golden goose it used to be. So really,

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Speaker 15: if we're looking to what's wrong with tourism, it's looking

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Speaker 15: at that China number, which I think is sitting at

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Speaker 15: about fifty percent yearly of pre COVID levels and thinking

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Speaker 15: how do we get that back to normal? Because again,

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Speaker 15: when you look at the American tourism numbers, European tourism numbers,

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Speaker 15: Australian tourism numbers, they're all looking much better than they

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Speaker 15: used to be. So I'm not really sure it's a

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Speaker 15: marketing things, possibly some visa issues there, and then global

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Speaker 15: economic I.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Thomas, if you if you're talking about a

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Speaker 2: puddle amount like fourteen million dollars, then what you're really

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Speaker 2: doing is you just try to look like you're doing something,

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Speaker 2: because that kind of money's not going to shift the market,

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Speaker 2: is it I.

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Speaker 15: No? I. In short, I would I. Tourism is not

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Speaker 15: my my area of expertise, but it would be one

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Speaker 15: would think would be quite incredible if you had spend

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Speaker 15: fourteen million dollars in all of a sudden. I'm happy

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Speaker 15: to be proven wrong, happy to be proven wrong, but

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Speaker 15: at first blush, that seems that would seem unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Good on Thomas listening again. Congrats all the job. Really

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Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing how you go. I know you'll

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Speaker 2: be amazing. That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's new political editor.

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Speaker 2: It's nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is with us for nine billion, the

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Speaker 2: new money for defense.

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Speaker 14: What magic are you pulling out.

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Speaker 2: Of a hat to find that you're quite skeptical about

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Speaker 2: our whole your books and they don't look good. No,

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Speaker 2: look it is without our fiscal track.

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Speaker 17: What it means is that we understand what we've committed

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Speaker 17: around delivering within our operating allowances.

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Speaker 2: You know you're going to have to come to you

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Speaker 2: here on the Monday after and then you're going to

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Speaker 2: know that's brilliant.

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Speaker 13: You've actually wanted to do all of that defense.

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Speaker 14: You've got your financial.

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Speaker 2: Unless you and I hope you can and your decision

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Speaker 2: is a good one. But I just don't know where

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Speaker 2: the nine billion's coming from.

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Speaker 17: We're assured, we think we can manage it within our

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Speaker 17: fiscal settings that we've got.

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Speaker 1: Back Tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: the rain drove of the LAM News talk to ZMB.

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Speaker 2: Either what a surprise the media thinks it's not a

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Speaker 2: media beat up. I'm going to come back to this.

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Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said about that. I've

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Speaker 2: got to tell you about this first, Okay, Katy Perry,

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Speaker 2: Lord God, the day we talk about Katie Perry on

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Speaker 2: the show Katy Perry, though, is a legitimate news story

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Speaker 2: because Katie Perry is going to space in just a

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Speaker 2: few hours. She is officially going to be what we

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Speaker 2: all thought she was, our space cadet. She's amped and

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Speaker 2: in a kind of like a woo wooh kind of

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Speaker 2: a way.

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Speaker 9: Te minus one day before I get to go to space.

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Speaker 9: I think, if you know me, you know that I'm

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Speaker 9: always looking for little confirmations from the heavens, from my guides,

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Speaker 9: from my angels.

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Speaker 18: And so I'm in space training today and it's you know,

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Speaker 18: there's there's a lot to digest, and they reveal the

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Speaker 18: capsule name and the capsule's name is tortoise.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Why is that significant?

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Speaker 6: What are the chances that I'm going to space on

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Speaker 6: a rocket in a capsule with my symbol of the

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Speaker 6: feather called tortoise and my mom calls me tortoise.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Thank god for everybody else on that flight that the

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Speaker 2: flight is only ten minutes long, because otherwise you'd have

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Speaker 2: to listen to lots of that checks. You just know

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Speaker 2: Katie's going to fill the whole ten minutes with talking

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Speaker 2: about being tortured like little tortoise girl. Oh wow, I've

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Speaker 2: asked this question. I still do not know the answer

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Speaker 2: to this question. What is the significance of sending Katy

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Speaker 2: Peiri to space other than to leave her there? Why

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Speaker 2: are we sending Katy Perry to space? Why is this?

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Speaker 2: Why is this even happening to us today? God only knows. Okay,

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Speaker 2: to go back to the media beat up, it is

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Speaker 2: not I know. The Prime Minister rolled out the line

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Speaker 2: saying today it is by the way, we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about Katy Perry going to space in another hour

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Speaker 2: or so, because it is significance, like the first time

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Speaker 2: in how many years, sixty years, sixty years that the

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Speaker 2: only ladies have gone to space by themselves and there

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Speaker 2: hasn't been a dude. I know, I don't care about

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Speaker 2: that either, but other people do. Anyway, we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that later. So on the Prime Minister saying it's a

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Speaker 2: media bet up, it's not a media beat up. It

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Speaker 2: is not a media beat up. When the Foreign Minister

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Speaker 2: says that the Prime Minister making phone calls to other

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Speaker 2: leaders around the world about the tariffs is premature, let

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Speaker 2: me remind you it's.

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Speaker 19: All very premature. Well, look, and we're trying to sort

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Speaker 19: out this other thing with America and China trade war,

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Speaker 19: I mean rushing off the solutions. That's fine on what

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Speaker 19: happened there first.

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Speaker 2: It's also not a media beat up. When the Foreign

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Speaker 2: Minister says, I hope that the Prime Minister gets my

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Speaker 2: message and he'll call me next time. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: him pretty much telling Lutson off in public. And if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be picking sides on this one, if you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I wonder who's right here, Christopher Luxon or Winston Peters

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Speaker 2: I think you have to go with Winston Peters. The

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Speaker 2: guy's been in the doing the foreign minister's job since

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Speaker 2: like before half this country was born, so he knows

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Speaker 2: what he's doing. I think he is the one if

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Speaker 2: you have to choose between the two of them. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to the foreign minister out of the foreign miners,

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Speaker 2: the finance baby brain Finance minister about that. After six,

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Speaker 2: Nichola Willis is going to be with us. We've got

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Speaker 2: the huddle as well. In studio today Tris Shurson's the

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Speaker 2: A teen Tris Sherson and Joseipe Bagani. But next up,

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Speaker 2: let's have a chat about this business dropping the old

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Speaker 2: second test for the driver's license. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: but I am not entirely sure why we're doing this,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't fill me with confidence. News talks, v.

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Speaker 8: Jgstrial questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 8: for the full picture, Heather Dupasy on Drive with One

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Speaker 8: New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 1: News talks. That'd be good.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon to you. Now, getting your full license will no

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Speaker 2: longer require a final driving test if the government gets

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Speaker 2: his way. They're considering dropping the test because it's quote

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Speaker 2: time consuming and inefficient. Harold Luvenberg is the owner of

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Speaker 2: a one driving school and is with us. Now, Hey, Harold, Hello,

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Speaker 2: how are you. I'm very well? Thank you. Good idea

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Speaker 2: to drop this final test?

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Speaker 20: No, I don't think so. No, it is really good

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Speaker 20: to have the extra test and getting people like if

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Speaker 20: people have lost that the standard, have dropped their standard

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Speaker 20: are driving, it's good to do another test and to

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Speaker 20: just get back up to the standard again.

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Speaker 2: The government says the reason that they're doing this is

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Speaker 2: because it's expensive and it's also stressful for people. But

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Speaker 2: neither of those things are generally things I would consider

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Speaker 2: this government to be too worried about. I don't buy it,

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Speaker 2: do you.

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Speaker 20: No, I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 20: And I can't see the the stress. I mean, I

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Speaker 20: suppose every test can be stressful, but if you're well

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Speaker 20: prepare it, then it shouldn't be stressful at all, like

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Speaker 20: any test.

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Speaker 2: So what's the real reason that they're dropping it.

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm not sure. Actually, I think it's more what

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Speaker 20: the rest of the world is doing. Like the rest

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Speaker 20: of the world, there's only one driving test, so that's

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Speaker 20: probably what they want to get more in line with.

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Speaker 2: How many people do you fail in that test?

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Speaker 20: Well, we don't do the testing ourselves, but I mean,

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Speaker 20: I don't have the results for that in front of me.

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Speaker 20: But it's not as high as the restricted license test

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Speaker 20: because it is a much easier test.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, basically what I'm asking is is this

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Speaker 2: test actually weeding out bad drivers? I like a significant

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Speaker 2: number of people being failed and kept off the road,

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Speaker 2: because that's terrible.

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Speaker 20: That's a good question. It's just bad habits. So I

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Speaker 20: suppose people just have bad habits and a lot of

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Speaker 20: it is in observation. People are just not using not

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Speaker 20: looking around them properly and not scanning properly at intersections

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Speaker 20: and making poor decisions. That really a big one which

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Speaker 20: causes a lot of accidents.

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Speaker 2: Harold, thank you very much, Really appreciate your exercise. It's

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Speaker 2: Harold Livenberg, who's the owner and a driving instructor at

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Speaker 2: a one driving school.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy.

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Speaker 2: LA government announced it's pumping thirteen and a half million

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Speaker 2: dollars into a global marketing campaign to attract more tourists

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Speaker 2: into the country. The Tourism Minister Louise upstairs with me. Louise, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. Oh mate, thank you very much. Good to

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Speaker 2: chat to you again. Are you worried, just before we

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Speaker 2: get into this money that you're pumping into the marketing campaign,

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Speaker 2: you worried about those numbers that came out today showing

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Speaker 2: a drop off in Chinese tourists in February.

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Speaker 17: Well, we do know that the China numbers are down.

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Speaker 17: They're down at sixty percent of the twenty nineteen numbers,

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Speaker 17: which is why we need to do some focused campaigns

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Speaker 17: to bring the China market back. But look, we've also

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Speaker 17: seen really positive numbers from India and a record month

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Speaker 17: for visitors out of the United States, so you know,

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Speaker 17: there's some very positive signs there. But this campaign, this

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Speaker 17: additional marketing money, will mean that we can have specific

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Speaker 17: campaigns into different countries looking at whether we're like China

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Speaker 17: trying to bring the numbers back. India is an emerging

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Speaker 17: market and we need to focus our marketing efforts a

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Speaker 17: bit more in a bit more tailored way.

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Speaker 2: Is that enough money to actually move the market.

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Absolutely, Look, we know and a big part of what

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Speaker 17: we've seen with the encouraging signs out of the Australia

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Speaker 17: campaign is working with industry really closely. When we work

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Speaker 17: on things together, we can rarely move the dial. And look,

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Speaker 17: we're only at eighty six percent of the number of

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Speaker 17: visitors we had back in twenty nineteen, so there's lots

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Speaker 17: of capacity and so we want to have more visitors

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Speaker 17: come in. That's more business for the hospitality sector, but

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Speaker 17: also shops, supermarkets, petrol stations, you name it. And we've

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Speaker 17: got capacity and so we just want to let the

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Speaker 17: world know we're open for business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Okay, Louise, listen, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: really appreciated. This is Louise Upston, Tourism Minister. It's eleven

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Speaker 2: past five here the duplessy out. The driving can be stressful.

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Speaker 2: Driving is stressful. Driving is stressful, and tests are stressful.

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Speaker 2: So the combo of the two is particularly stressful. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you find this if you just

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Speaker 2: turn the radio down a little bit, I shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: encouraging this. You turn the radio down a little bit,

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Speaker 2: so some weird reason you can see better. Do you

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Speaker 2: find that? I often find when I'm stressed out, I

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Speaker 2: can't drive right now, I'll turn that radio down. The

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Speaker 2: oh suddenly I can see quite well. And it's a

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Speaker 2: sign of old age. I think kind of a bit

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Speaker 2: of a random text here on the in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: uniforms from last week, whether we do not like the

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Speaker 2: new look in New Zealand uniforms at all. That's from Pauline.

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Speaker 2: Caught my attention because actually, incidentally, Louise, who we just

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Speaker 2: spoke to, Louise the Tourism Minister, and I were both

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Speaker 2: at the unveiling of the New Zealand uniforms. Because you

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Speaker 2: invite me along and you say you're going to give

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Speaker 2: me a fancy cocktail. I'm that now that I'm allowed

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Speaker 2: to drink again, because I'm you know, baby's not inside

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Speaker 2: me anymore on that. Just give it time, Just give

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Speaker 2: it time. We're weirdly attached to these uniforms. Give it time.

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Speaker 2: You didn't like the Trey Lease uniform when it came out,

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Speaker 2: yet you jumped up and down about that fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 2: didn't you. You said, oh it's hideous, and now you

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Speaker 2: love it because you can see it in the app

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Speaker 2: we walk around, you know exactly who you're looking at

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Speaker 2: when you see that gigantic cacophony of noise coming at you.

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Speaker 2: So when we will get used to the purple ones

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Speaker 2: and the pin stripe suits, which are incredibly dashing and

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Speaker 2: we will learn to love them, just give them time.

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Speaker 13: Speaking from experience, how do you recommend people have a

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Speaker 13: fancy cocktail before they look at the uniform.

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Speaker 2: Because of what it does is make some of those

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Speaker 2: patents swirl. And when the patterns starts swirling, because you've

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Speaker 2: had a very strong coplas when.

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Speaker 13: It really you're going to see them on the plane.

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Speaker 13: And what do you do on the plane?

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Speaker 2: You drink, you know, as right, And if you have

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Speaker 2: one gin on the plane, it's the equivalent of three

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Speaker 2: gens on land. So those patterns swirl like you wouldn't believe.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I would recommend. Obviously I am not a

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Speaker 2: medical professional. Do not listen to me, but I reckon

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Speaker 2: meand a couple of gins. Look at that uniform. You

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Speaker 2: love it? Thirteen past five. Hey, One New Zealand satellite

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Speaker 2: is officially here right now and it is a game

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Speaker 2: changer for the living.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: I say the living because One New Zealand has just

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Speaker 2: received a bit of a bizarre endorsement as the most

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Speaker 2: and they've awarded this endorsement following the launch of One

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Speaker 2: New Zealand satellite last year. Now they reckon that the

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Speaker 2: innovative technology offers a more resilient communication network in the

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Speaker 2: face of disaster due to its groundbreaking use of satellites

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Speaker 2: in space rather than the cell towers on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Now the service allows customers with an eligible phone and

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Speaker 2: plan who are out of traditional cell tower coverage to

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Speaker 2: or hiding from the undead, it's going to help you

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Speaker 2: stay in touch. So to learn more about how One

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Speaker 2: New Zealand satellite can help you stay safer, better connected

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Speaker 2: and more productive, visit one dot nz forward slash satellite

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Speaker 2: together do for Sea al sixteen past five Listen. Of course,

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Speaker 2: some heaps of us will have watched Polkinghorn documentary last night,

872
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: so we have a little chat about that in just

873
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Speaker 2: a few minutes time. First up, though, if you're one

874
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: of the people in this world who enjoy using the

875
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: text abbreviations, you need to stop in you know, what

876
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: I'm talking about here, right, Sending things like brb lol

877
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 2: or wyd what you're doing? It's got to stop because

878
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: new research out of the US has found that no

879
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: matter how much you think that the rest of us

880
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: like reading your text abbreviations, we do not. Dr Ariana

881
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: Berardi Wiltshire is a linguistics expert at for Massi University

882
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: and with US. Now, Hello, Hi, what's the problem. Why

883
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: does it annoy us? Is because the person sending it

884
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: to us just looks lazy.

885
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 7: Ah.

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Speaker 16: Yes, that's basically the thought of it. It's it seems

887
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Speaker 16: to signal poor investment in whatever communication we're engaging with, So.

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Speaker 21: You couldn't even.

889
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Speaker 16: Take the time to spell that out completely. That's kind

890
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 16: of the feeling that that we get. Is that really

891
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 16: most situation?

892
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean I would look at it if somebody had

893
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: seemed it to me, I would just not think that

894
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: they're a particularly serious person, do you know what I mean?

895
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: It feels like something that a twelve year old would

896
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Speaker 2: seem somebody else. Yeah, And is that part of it, right?

897
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Speaker 16: Yes? Yes, it's also part of it. Yes, It's sometimes

898
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 16: you get the feeling when they use when people use

899
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Speaker 16: to too many abbreviations that they're trying too hard to

900
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Speaker 16: kind of convey some sort of you know, sense of

901
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 16: view or you know, and no. But but people seem

902
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Speaker 16: to do it less and less anyway, even younger people

903
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 16: these days, they tend to use abbreviations less and less.

904
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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is, Well.

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Speaker 16: It's technology has changed now, we have predictive spelling, we

906
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Speaker 16: have four keyboards on our phones. So and also I

907
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Speaker 16: think that there's a is that young people are much

908
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 16: more relationally aware than people were in the past, and

909
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 16: so they know quite often. I have two teenage daughters.

910
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Speaker 16: Actually they know quite often when it's appropriate to use

911
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Speaker 16: them and when it's not. And you know, that's reassuring.

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Speaker 2: Seems to me also that because you were talking about

913
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Speaker 2: predictive texting, right, and the order correct that you have

914
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: on your phones and stuff, you actually would have to

915
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Speaker 2: make more of an effort to say s R R

916
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Speaker 2: Y on your phone than to say sorry, true, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's true, yes, exactly, yes, exactly. You're doing it

918
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Speaker 16: for a purpose. And sometimes there is a purpose why

919
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Speaker 16: you would use abbreviations. And sometimes it's humor. You want

920
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Speaker 16: to be funny or so people use ong a lot,

921
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 16: but sometimes they just want to be quick. You know,

922
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Speaker 16: I'm guilty of having used the occasional K with my children.

923
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Speaker 16: You know you can you pick up milk on the

924
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Speaker 16: way home K. So you know there are users for it.

925
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Speaker 2: But yeah, jesus, my mum just sent me a K.

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Speaker 2: I'd hang up on her. Hey, Arianna, thank you, thank

927
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Speaker 2: you very much, Doctor Arianna Berardi woolshit, who's a linguistics

928
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Speaker 2: expert at Massi University. Sir Peter Peter straight on the

929
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Speaker 2: old Texpachie couldn't wait a he was on nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two, just sent me an ffs. Now, there's a

931
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Speaker 2: carve out for that. You are allowed to do that one.

932
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Speaker 2: And simply you're allowed to do that one because I

933
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Speaker 2: don't know if you've tried to spell swear words on

934
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Speaker 2: your iPhone, but they make that very difficult and so

935
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Speaker 2: if you just go for the old ffs, I understand

936
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Speaker 2: that actually is a shortcut. Five twenty.

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Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

938
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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk.

939
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Speaker 2: Sa'd be just a reminder. Nichola Willis the Finance Minister

940
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Speaker 2: with US after six o'clock. Right now, it's twenty two

941
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Speaker 2: past five. Now, Polkinghorn looks to me like old mate Polk.

942
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Speaker 2: He's already realized he's made a mistake talking to that documentary,

943
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: don't you think. I mean the first clue that he realizes,

944
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Speaker 2: I think that he's made a mistake is that he

945
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: sent out a statement calling the documentary clickbait and saying

946
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Speaker 2: he was misled by some involved in the making of

947
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Speaker 2: the doco before the thing had even gone to air,

948
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Speaker 2: which is to say he's already talking the thing down

949
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Speaker 2: before we've even managed to clap one eyeball on it.

950
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Speaker 2: Now I can see, having watched the first episode why

951
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Speaker 2: he might want to talk it down, because he's not

952
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Speaker 2: coming out of this well, is he. I mean, as

953
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Speaker 2: I say, I've only watched one episode and there are

954
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Speaker 2: two more to go, And look, he may remarkably ride

955
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Speaker 2: him himself in the next two episodes, but based on

956
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Speaker 2: number one and the trial, I'm not getting mister honesty

957
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: vibes from our mate Philip Pulkinghorn here. I think the

958
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Speaker 2: most telling moment for me, anyway, was when he was

959
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Speaker 2: in episode one, when he was denying the fact that

960
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Speaker 2: he used p because he said he doesn't generally keep

961
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Speaker 2: his methamphetamin in the makeup draw somebody else's. And then

962
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: after saying that his lies darted from one side to

963
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: the other, do you notice that one side to the

964
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: other and looking a bit interesting, like in a way

965
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: those eyes darted around in a way that suggested that

966
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: there was more to that story than he was letting on. Now,

967
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Speaker 2: he if he is worried like I think he is

968
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: a about this documentary, he's right to be worried about

969
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: this documentary. It's not going to affect his freedom or

970
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: as criminal record or anything like that, but it does

971
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Speaker 2: have the potential to shape public opinion even more strongly

972
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Speaker 2: than the trial already has, and in a way that

973
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Speaker 2: the trial already hasn't. Because that's what we've learned from

974
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: the UK recently. The post Office scandal was not really

975
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: a scandal until they made a TV show about the

976
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: post Office scandal, and then it was a big time

977
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: scandal and then there was action from the government on it. Adolescence,

978
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: which has come out on Netflix, is something that we

979
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: are talking about in a big way now and talking

980
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: about what young men are doing with their time. This

981
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: documentary is the first time that we've heard from Philip Pulkinghorn.

982
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: It's the first time that we've heard from his hooker

983
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: mistress in the flesh. It's the first time that a

984
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: lot of us are going to see all of the

985
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: evidence presented in one place in a concise way for

986
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Speaker 2: us to form judgments on. So, yeah, he might be

987
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: right judge based on the first episode. There's a lot

988
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: of clickbait going on in this thing, But that doesn't

989
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: mean it won't shape public opinion, and it doesn't mean

990
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: that it was a smart idea for him in hindsight

991
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: to talk to.

992
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Speaker 1: It for ever duplessy Ellen, Oh the.

993
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: Way, just on that, Okay, So this is Philip Polkinghorn saying, Oh,

994
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: in hindsight, he could kind of see that his wife

995
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: was gonna, you know, say goodbye to the world herself,

996
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: because she was behaving strangely in the days leading up

997
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: to it.

998
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: I just don't know what she was doing, almost like

999
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: tiling up for affairs, saying goodbye to people.

1000
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know.

1001
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. So is

1002
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: she saying goodbye in the days and weeks leading up

1003
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Speaker 2: to the death, or did she get the COVID jab

1004
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: and then get in cyphalitis and then go psychotic overnight.

1005
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: Which of them was it polky? Was it in the

1006
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: days and weeks leading up or was it overnight after

1007
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: the COVID jet just saying I'm not even a police officer,

1008
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: and I can see that there's a problem there with

1009
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: that particular story, don't you think. Now we've got huddle

1010
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: coming in this evening. Got two ladies, Trishuson and Joseph A. Ganning.

1011
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: I've got one for them, mackay. Because I was reading

1012
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: the newspapers today, as you do in this job nowadays,

1013
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: I saw on one news site, like not one news,

1014
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: but on one of the news sites, a question that

1015
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: was posed, should we normalize couples sleeping in separate beds?

1016
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to get in so much trouble for this.

1017
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: I think it's fine. I think it's fine because this

1018
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: is how we're rolling at the moment. Personally, I sleep

1019
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: because now that I'm on I'm back at work, not

1020
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Speaker 2: on maternity leave, and the father's now on paternity leave.

1021
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: So I'm downstairs where all the bedrooms are sleeping across

1022
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Speaker 2: the hallway from the three year old, you know, keeping

1023
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Speaker 2: him safe, and the father is upstairs completely different floor

1024
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to hear the baby crying in

1025
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night, do you know. So the

1026
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Speaker 2: dad's upstairs with the baby in a room by himself,

1027
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Speaker 2: in his own bed, right in his own bed, and

1028
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Speaker 2: I'm downstairs in another bed, and it is delightful, isn't it?

1029
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: Because you number one, you don't need to hear that

1030
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: baby cry. It's only three months old, so there's a

1031
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: lot of crying going on. Number Two, I don't have

1032
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: to listen to snoring, And to be fair, he doesn't

1033
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: have to listen to snoring either, because I'm not immune.

1034
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's no disturbance from somebody else getting up

1035
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: weeing in the night, is there? Anyway? The reason I'm

1036
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: asking about this is because when I read that headline,

1037
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, jeez, yeah, the minute you say to

1038
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: anybody and we're sleeping in different rooms at the moment,

1039
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Speaker 2: people go, oh, that's headed for divorce, isn't it?

1040
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 8: Is it though?

1041
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: Is it headed for divorce? Or is it just two

1042
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: adults going, you know what we need? We need to

1043
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: prioritize sleep at the moment, and this is a really

1044
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: good way of doing things anyway. I don't know whether

1045
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: the girls know that we're about to interrogate what happens

1046
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: in their houses and their bedrooms, but we are, so

1047
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Speaker 2: you're welcome to weigh on that too. Nine two nine

1048
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Speaker 2: two is the text number.

1049
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Speaker 14: News is next.

1050
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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1051
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1052
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

1053
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Speaker 8: That'd be there's beautiful things that I've gone.

1054
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Speaker 2: All right, the huddles with us very shortly, we have

1055
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: pressures and in Joseph Ghanian studio and after six o'clock

1056
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: Nicklaula's finance minister. If you followed this program last year

1057
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: when I was last on air, you will know that

1058
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: I got quite hot under the collar about the old

1059
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Speaker 2: formula infant formula rules. It looks like the government might

1060
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: be doing a U turn on it. So we have

1061
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Speaker 2: a chat to Nikolauless about that after six o'clock. It's

1062
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: twenty four away from six. Right now. We have hit

1063
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: the age of space travel where it's not just professional

1064
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: astronauts and the billionaires and stuff going into space, but

1065
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Speaker 2: it's also Katy Perry Katy Perry's going along with Gail

1066
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: King and four other women and they're going to go

1067
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Speaker 2: up in a in a Blue Origin rocket in just

1068
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Speaker 2: a few hours. And it's the first all women's space

1069
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Speaker 2: flight in more than sixty years, which apparently is quite significant.

1070
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Speaker 2: Kirby Ken is the chair of the National Space Society

1071
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Speaker 2: Australia and with us.

1072
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Speaker 22: Hey Kirby him, welcome, Thank you for having you on.

1073
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us. Why are we sending Katy

1074
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Speaker 2: Perry to space? What's the value in that?

1075
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Speaker 22: I believe it is her wanting to go rather than

1076
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Speaker 22: being sent, so to speak. I think they're all sort

1077
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Speaker 22: of passengers who are choosing to have an experience.

1078
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Speaker 2: Are they paying?

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Speaker 22: Most of them?

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Speaker 16: Are?

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Speaker 3: As?

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Speaker 22: I understand it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, well that makes a lot more sense. I

1084
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Speaker 2: thought we've picked this one and so we're sending it.

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe it's for some publicity, but I suppose

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Speaker 2: it probably does that as well. Are you are you really? Actually?

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Speaker 2: Can you say that you're up in space like you've

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Speaker 2: done a space trip if you've only been up there

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Speaker 2: for ten minutes.

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Speaker 22: It's a very good question. There's also the definition of

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00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 22: what is space now technically, and this is somewhat arbitrary.

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Speaker 22: Accepted definition is above one hundred kilometers. Yeah, and the

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00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 22: Blue Origin capsules do actually go above that level, but

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Speaker 22: it's what's called a suborbital trip. You're not actually in

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Speaker 22: orbit and going all the way around the Earth, which

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Speaker 22: is what would be orbiting. And that's slightly different to

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Speaker 22: the virgin galactic experience, which doesn't quite make it to

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Speaker 22: one hundred kilometers. So it's a little bit of pickiness,

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Speaker 22: but it is technically in space.

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Speaker 2: Kulbe you ever been up there? You've been to space?

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Speaker 22: No, I might wish, but only in my.

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Speaker 2: Imagination would you like to go?

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Speaker 22: I would like to go, but I am probably somewhat

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Speaker 22: risk averse in the sense that I would like to

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00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 22: have seen many many flights before I would choose to

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Speaker 22: do that myself.

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Speaker 2: Okay. And if you saw in our flights and then

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Speaker 2: you were prepared to go up, how much would you pay?

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00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 22: Another interesting question when all of the space tourism companies,

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00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 22: and I say, or there's been some that have come

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00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 22: and gone, but the two main ones are the Origin

1112
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 22: and Virginio acting. They were charging initial people who were

1113
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 22: signing up something in the region of two hundred and

1114
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 22: fifty thousand US dollars that has I believe gone up,

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Speaker 22: but the intent is that it will ultimately come down

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00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 22: as more and more people fly vehicles, become more reliable

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Speaker 22: and learn more of them.

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Speaker 2: Realistically, where does a bottom out at?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 2: What are we going to pay when normal punters like

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Speaker 2: us go up?

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Speaker 22: I would venture to say they're hoping to get down

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Speaker 22: to maybe something in the fifty to one hundred thousand

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00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 22: dollars range being reasonable. But I guess you could equate

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Speaker 22: it to maybe an expensive cruise equivalent something like that,

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Speaker 22: But I think that's going to be quite a few

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Speaker 22: years away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, quite an expensive cruise and a very short one. Kirby,

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Speaker 2: thanks very much, appreciate it. KIRBYIK in National Space Society,

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Speaker 2: Australia right now coming up twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones

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Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle of this this evening. Tris Herson of Shehirson,

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Speaker 2: Willis pr Jo Spergunny of Child Fund, Hello you too,

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Speaker 2: Hello Chris, would you go up to space?

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Speaker 23: I am not a space person. I'm an ocean person,

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00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 23: so people often say would you would you like to

1138
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Speaker 23: go to space?

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00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like that sounds very hippy. True.

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Speaker 23: No, I love diver, so to me, I love I'd

1141
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 23: have scuba diving, so that's my thing. And often people

1142
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 23: say to me, oh my god, I could never dive,

1143
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 23: I'm so afraid of the ocean. To me, I find

1144
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 23: space much more terrifying, terrifying, black cold, whereas under the

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00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 23: ocean it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I don't reckon. I would pay a hundi foun to

1147
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: go into space for ten minutes.

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Speaker 21: Would you know when you compared it to a really

1149
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 21: nice cruise, I'm thinking, right, cruise cocktails feel sunshine, sunshine.

1150
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: But now you've just got Katy Perry and a little

1151
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: tin littlely for.

1152
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 21: Ten minutes, thank god. Yeah yeah, Katie Perry for ten

1153
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 21: minutes and a little tardis.

1154
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no fun. Okay, Trish. Do you think that this

1155
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: business with Winston Peters versus luckx and is significant or

1156
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: is it, as the Prime Minister says, just a media

1157
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: beat up.

1158
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 23: I think the Prime Minister is trying to gloss it over.

1159
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 23: This is my read what National is trying to do.

1160
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 23: They're trying to balance pissing Trump off, because we know

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Speaker 23: the US is watching everything that everyone does and they're

1162
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 23: very thin skin, and I'm predict and unpredictable. So so

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00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 23: National's balancing that with making the most of what they

1164
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 23: probably see as their best political opportunity to pull out

1165
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 23: of what have been pretty bad polls for them, pretty

1166
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 23: negative poles, and stamp their mark. And someone over the

1167
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 23: weekend said to me, Oh, you know, do you think

1168
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 23: Luxon thinks this is sort of his christ Church earthquake moment,

1169
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 23: This is his moment to really shine. I can't see

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Speaker 23: a reason otherwise. Even even with that, why you wouldn't

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00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 23: have told Peters about the speech? I mean, I watched it.

1172
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Speaker 23: I don't think there was any particular magic in it.

1173
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 23: And you can understand Peter's being grumpy about it and

1174
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 23: grumpy about these calls going on without Do.

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Speaker 2: You think that Winston's going to steal your thunder?

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00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 21: Well, he's been, and he has been moving towards this

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Speaker 21: kind of you know, slightly trumpy populist support for Trump,

1178
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 21: hasn't he? And I think like everybody's trying to work out,

1179
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 21: you know, what do you do with a bully like Trump?

1180
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 21: And you can't ignore them. So there only really two options.

1181
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 21: You either suck up and kiss ring or you fight back.

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00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: And I think, can't you say nothing, Josie, because we

1183
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 2: are the tiniest little country at the bottom of the ocean.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to say anything. You can wait for

1185
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Speaker 2: this whole thing to blow over.

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Speaker 21: Yes, so that's different. You can say nothing and be

1187
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Speaker 21: off the radar. Absolutely, but you still got to do

1188
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 21: something because this crisis isn't going to fix itself, right,

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Speaker 21: so we have to go. We don't want to, we

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Speaker 21: don't want the bully to notice us, that's true, but

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Speaker 21: that's different to sucking up. Right, So Trudeau tried to

1192
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 21: sucking up things. Starma tried to sucking up thing and

1193
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 21: it backfired or didn't help. And I think what Luxan's

1194
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Speaker 21: trying to do, I think is the right thing. Where

1195
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Speaker 21: he's gone right is our what are our opportunities here?

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Speaker 21: CPTPP reach out become a kind of a sensible, rational

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Speaker 21: rule of law trading group that makes sense. You've got

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Speaker 21: to make friends in Southeast Asia, you've got to reach

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Speaker 21: out to Japan, you've got to reach out to Canada.

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Speaker 21: I mean we've done bugger or actually to support Canada

1201
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 21: who've been threatened with invasion. So we're trying not to

1202
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Speaker 21: be noticed. Yes, that doesn't mean we don't do stuff

1203
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 21: behind the scenes. I think that's what Lutson's doing. And

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Speaker 21: I think Winston is still in that slightly sucky uppy

1205
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 21: phase and the sucker Uppers. I watch Game of Thrones,

1206
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 21: the sucker Uppers don't make it to season.

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00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: Two, season two, they're dead.

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Speaker 23: Well look at I mean Mark Carney in Canada. He

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00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 23: hasn't he done a great job of actually pushing back

1210
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 23: pretty hard and doing well.

1211
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Speaker 21: He was going to lose, and he's possibly the most

1212
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Speaker 21: boring man I've ever met.

1213
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Speaker 2: And somehow starma.

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Speaker 21: Oh well, Kirs Starmer, Yeah, you kind of if he

1215
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 21: shouted at a pigeon, the pigeon wouldn't move. He does

1216
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 21: come across quite wooden. I did kind of guy who said,

1217
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 21: you know, what would you like? What kind of wood

1218
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 21: would you like with that casket?

1219
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 5: Sir?

1220
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 21: That's kind of what you expect him to say.

1221
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 23: I did kind of think though. You know, Luxeon's message today,

1222
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 23: I don't know why. It sort of made me smile,

1223
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 23: But you know, I'm calling around everyone and I'm saying, hey, guys.

1224
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 23: You know, I hope you're staying call calm and collected

1225
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 23: sort of, you know, you can you can just imagine.

1226
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 2: Could be a momentary. I actually think it could moment.

1227
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: It could also be. But even the politics aside, like

1228
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: see the politics aside, Josie, and just look at the

1229
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: practical stuff that maybe that we may be at very

1230
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 2: delicate stage of chats. You ever know, with the White House,

1231
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: which Winston's all over and then lux and goes and

1232
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: does this and kind of rains on his parade. Right,

1233
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 2: there's the practical problems could be real.

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 21: Yeah, But again I come back to those that have

1235
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 21: tried the suck up path and it just hasn't worked.

1236
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 21: So we're not going to get below ten percent. We

1237
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 21: might get some carve outs, we might not.

1238
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: Who knows.

1239
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 21: Our biggest bet is to actually make the most of CPTPP,

1240
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 21: which at a TPP for God's sake, let's just call

1241
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 21: it TPP. And it is the biggest trade block in

1242
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 21: the world. It's bigger than our trade with the US.

1243
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 21: So the potential lies there. We don't want to piss

1244
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 21: off the US to the extent that we lose everything.

1245
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 21: But I think what Luxein's doing is right. I think

1246
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 21: it's it's where the opportunity is.

1247
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, we'll come back to you guys and

1248
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: just take sixteen away from six.

1249
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty A Chief

1250
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: Extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

1251
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Speaker 2: Right, you back with the had altricious and Joseph Ganney, Josie,

1252
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: you didn't watch the pocahon You're going to it's on

1253
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: your watch list? Is someone watch list?

1254
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 21: But I just got over the White Lotus.

1255
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: It's just so much. No, I've got half. Now go

1256
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: and spoil it. Well, guess who dies? I'm not going

1257
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: to tell you.

1258
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 21: But anyway, if I wanted horror scandal and you know

1259
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 21: who's guilty who's innocent, I don't know. I just watched

1260
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 21: the latest Trump tariff announced.

1261
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: I don't need to watch this.

1262
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 21: I mean it does have that salacious, you know, appeal

1263
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 21: like the Lundee case and the Bain case where we

1264
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 21: want to watch we want.

1265
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: To watch the documentary hooks wonstrous.

1266
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Speaker 21: I mean, it's it's compelling.

1267
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: I get that, but it's just, you know, I just

1268
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: used too much horror on us. You have got so

1269
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: hot actually.

1270
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 23: Steam just menopause talking, just talking of overheated.

1271
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 21: You wouldn't know you've breastfeeding woman you Yeah, the story.

1272
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 23: Well, let's move before we get.

1273
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: Obviously regrets already talking about it.

1274
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 23: Well, and here's why. Did you read the key line

1275
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 23: in his statement he's talking about.

1276
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Speaker 2: These the producers, right.

1277
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Speaker 23: Well, first of all, he calls this clickbait. I mean, hello,

1278
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 23: you know, I mean as if there aren't huge elements,

1279
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 23: as if all of Auckland wasn't riveted to this grubbing

1280
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 23: saga already. But then he says he's talking about the

1281
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 23: producers in his statement, and he says, they told me

1282
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 23: what I wanted and needed to hear at the time, understanding.

1283
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: To prove my innocence.

1284
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Speaker 23: He is his line. They said they would be able

1285
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 23: to help, and without any advice. I trusted them both

1286
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 23: and what they said to me without any advice.

1287
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Speaker 24: I e.

1288
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 23: While you're on bail, you speak to documentary makers without

1289
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 23: telling your lawyer.

1290
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened, right, There's clearly what happened, because

1291
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Speaker 2: who in.

1292
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Speaker 23: Their right mind would would do that.

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Speaker 2: I'll call the answer for you. Hey, listen quickly, Josie.

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Speaker 2: When I was on maternity leave. I see this at

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Speaker 2: the start of the show as a matunity leave. I

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Speaker 2: stopped listening to ZB because it was too much like

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Speaker 2: work for me, and so I had to kind of,

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Speaker 2: you know, just focus on a few media anyway, got

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Speaker 2: so frustrated. Do understand why people feel frustrated and have

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Speaker 2: this lack of trust in the media.

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Speaker 4: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: And it's not just media, it's it's institutions, right, It's government,

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Speaker 21: it's government, it's government institutions. As a general in New Zealand, actually,

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Speaker 21: I think it's in the Adelman Trust Advice at Adelman Barometer,

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Speaker 21: which is a global one, so compair ourselves global this

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Speaker 21: is the aut one. But I think we have like

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Speaker 21: sixty seven percent of this have a real sense of

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Speaker 21: grievance towards institutions, including the media, right, and that is

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Speaker 21: well above the global average. So we're really passed off,

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Speaker 21: as you said, and I do understand it. I think

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Speaker 21: there's a if you look at all the institutions, there's

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Speaker 21: a feeling that the educated elite, and I'm one of them,

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Speaker 21: have have sort of taken over the institutions, and so

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Speaker 21: the issues that the media focuses on whether it's you know,

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Speaker 21: whether it's gender, whether it's diversity, whether it's school lunches.

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Speaker 21: It's a whole bunch of things that just they focus

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Speaker 21: in on stuff and people go, hold on a minute,

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Speaker 21: that's not the thing that's bothering me right now.

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Speaker 2: But when they focus in on something. I think the

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Speaker 2: Benjamin Doyle story was such an excellent example of why

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Speaker 2: we get so across with the media because there was

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Speaker 2: an accusation of something really weird and gross happening, and

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Speaker 2: then the media just focused on something else, being Winston Peters.

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Speaker 23: A simple way to sum this up, and you get

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Speaker 23: this especially when like I do, you go down and

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Speaker 23: visit the friends infar Noo in Normalville in the King Country.

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Speaker 23: They say the media don't have their finger on the pulse,

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Speaker 23: and that is a great way to sum it all up.

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Speaker 23: It's not reflective of what you know, Middle New Zealand

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Speaker 23: is worried about. They do feel it's gone off in

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Speaker 23: a tangent. And then if you mix the auty in

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Speaker 23: today where with stats that came out last week about

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Speaker 23: left leaning, center leaning right leaning media in New Zealand.

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Speaker 23: Overwhelmingly the stats that came out were from newsrooms that

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Speaker 23: there is a left bias among journalists in newsroom, and

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Speaker 23: again I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong,

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Speaker 23: but that's also I think where this finger on the

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Speaker 23: pulse things comes from, because a lot of New Zealanders

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Speaker 23: feel that that is just not representative of where they.

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Speaker 21: Are, a remoteness from places we live, right. Yeah, it

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Speaker 21: feels that the media is just not connected. And it

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Speaker 21: used to be that job in journalism you could do

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Speaker 21: without a degree. I mean, Usked, Mike Costking, you don't

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Speaker 21: have to have a degree, and that used to be

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Speaker 21: really normal that you would have a diversity of life experiences,

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Speaker 21: diversity of incomes and diversity.

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Speaker 2: Now it's all the university educated. Is it okay not

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Speaker 2: to sleep in the same bed as your husband?

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Speaker 23: If I were in your situation right now, I would

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Speaker 23: be down stairs getting as much sleep as I can,

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Speaker 23: just just as you are.

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Speaker 2: How long can I stretch this for?

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Speaker 14: Hey forever?

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Speaker 23: But again this is absolutely different strokes for different folks.

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Speaker 23: I am what sleep is one of my superpowers. I

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Speaker 23: have to have at least eight and a half to

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Speaker 23: nine hours a night. Any form of disturbance is not great.

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Speaker 23: And my biggest problem more is that you know, I

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Speaker 23: do have a very loving husband and a cat, and

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Speaker 23: I wake up sandwich between them in the night, and

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Speaker 23: you know, I'm like Fukushima. The core is just absolutely

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Speaker 23: melting down and I need cooling.

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Speaker 21: Look, people who have full sleep have a higher rated divorce.

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Speaker 21: That's a statistic. Don't ask me to source it, but

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Speaker 21: I read it. And so if you can't get good sleep,

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Speaker 21: you're not going to have a good marriage. It's as

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Speaker 21: simple as that. You're more irritable, you're less empathetic.

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Speaker 2: Enough about my marriage when your husband was on a

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Speaker 2: boat for two months. Absolutely? Yeah.

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Speaker 21: And actually I live in a different half the time.

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Speaker 21: I'm in a different city a little in a different bed.

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Speaker 23: Can I just say I love waking up in the

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Speaker 23: night because I'm also an absolute baby when it comes

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Speaker 23: to the dark. I love waking up in the night

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Speaker 23: and having that lovely, warm person next to me that

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Speaker 23: you can keep it.

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Speaker 21: And be your husband.

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Speaker 23: Oh absolutely, And I don't even need to think about it,

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Speaker 23: and he just sort of knows and cuddles into me,

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Speaker 23: and I find that absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 2: Oh ah, No, which is more selicious, the poking worn

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Speaker 2: documentary or Trish Well. I don't think that's selectious different guys.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: There's the sex music for you. Trish Bloays, pull that

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Speaker 2: one out. Tricia's and Joseph Ganni a huddle this evening,

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Speaker 2: seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk zby Oh.

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Speaker 2: Lots of people sleep in different rooms.

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Speaker 5: Hither.

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Speaker 2: My wife and I have slept in separate rooms for

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Speaker 2: ten years. We love each other, but we're both snoring

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Speaker 2: for our own sanity and sleep. It's just easier here.

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Speaker 2: The separate rooms is wonderful. Visiting is such fun. Hither,

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Speaker 2: I'm with you going into my room with my harlicks

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Speaker 2: and my book. It's peace and quiet. It's bliss. Heather.

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Speaker 2: We did the same thing when we added a new

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Speaker 2: puppy to our family. Nothing says city people like separate

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Speaker 2: bedrooms when you get a new puppy. Listen right now,

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Speaker 2: it's four away from six. Very disappointed to read I

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Speaker 2: said I was going to talk to you about this

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Speaker 2: business with the infant formula. Very disappointed to read that

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Speaker 2: we are apparently considering a U turn on those infant

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Speaker 2: formula rules. Now, this is something that happened last year

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Speaker 2: where Australia. We had kind of a combined thing that

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Speaker 2: we do with Australia and we both have the same

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Speaker 2: kind of food regulations they and was heading towards having

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Speaker 2: these new rules for infant formula and at the last

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Speaker 2: minute we pulled out, and it was a good thing

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Speaker 2: we pulled out because all of the rules basically designed

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Speaker 2: for breast is Best, which if you have breastfed, you

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Speaker 2: know is you know, you don't need anybody else telling

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Speaker 2: you what to be doing with your boobs. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: if you just want to put formula on the baby,

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Speaker 2: that's your choice, your baby, your choice. Anyway, it's all

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Speaker 2: designed around breasts Best and all that stuff, and it

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Speaker 2: was going to pull certain formulas off the shlves and

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Speaker 2: it was all just very kind of nanny state and irritating.

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Speaker 2: So we didn't do it, and I was very pleased

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Speaker 2: about that. But now it appears that MPI, according to

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Speaker 2: reporting in the last couple of weeks or thereabouts, is

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Speaker 2: considering doing a little U turn on this. Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: was on the show last year she said, no way,

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Speaker 2: We're not signing up to this, so are we going

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Speaker 2: to do?

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Speaker 25: No way?

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Speaker 2: Is that turning into yes, way, she's with us. Very shortly,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a little chatter about it at News Talks dB.

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Speaker 1: Where business meets insight the Business hour, we've hit the

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Speaker 2: Right even in coming up in the next hour, if

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Speaker 2: you're thinking about selling a business, we've got good news

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Speaker 2: for your demand as outstripping supply ABC business sales.

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Speaker 26: On that.

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Speaker 2: Shortly, we've got Shane Soley on Trump's smartphone exemption and

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray out of the UK. Right now, it's seven

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Speaker 2: past six and with us as Nikolaullis, the Finance Minister Nicolalo, Hello.

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Speaker 24: And welcome back, Heather, you back on your show.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to be back and lovely to be chatting to you.

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Speaker 2: I want to know by the way we seeing this

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Speaker 2: is obviously the thing that everybody's talking about. Where are

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Speaker 2: we at with these tariffs from Trump? Are we getting

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Speaker 2: FaceTime with the White House on this?

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Speaker 24: Well, our officials are continuing to engage with their counterparts

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Speaker 24: in the US. Of course, all countries now face the

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Speaker 24: same based tariff of ten percent, which is what New

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Speaker 24: Zealand's facing and we're continuing to press the case for

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Speaker 24: our exporters, which is we'd prefer we weren't facing that.

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Speaker 2: So are we asking them to drop the tariff all together.

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Speaker 24: Well, we're pointing out that our tariff regime is very

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Speaker 24: limited towards the US less than two percent, that we

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Speaker 24: have very few non trade barriers, and that as far

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Speaker 24: as possible, we'd like to grow the trade between our

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Speaker 24: two countries, so we'd prefer no tariff.

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Speaker 2: And are we getting any headway with us?

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Speaker 24: Well, I think there's quite a queue of people having

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Speaker 24: a chat, Heather, So we are one of literally dozens

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Speaker 24: of countries around the world are probably pressing a similar case.

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Speaker 24: And I think it's too soon to say where all

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Speaker 24: of this will land, so cool heads need to prevail.

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Speaker 2: Are they actually taking our phone calls?

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Speaker 24: Well, yes they are, because the Prime Minister and the

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Speaker 24: Foreign Minister and other ministers have established relationships with their

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Speaker 24: counterparts around the world and they're speaking with them about

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Speaker 24: how they're saying seeing the tariff regime unfold and what

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Speaker 24: it means. And in the US we have relationships at

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Speaker 24: officials level which continue to function no matter what's happening.

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Speaker 2: So how far up, like, who's the most senior person

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Speaker 2: who's taken a phone call since these tariffs were announced.

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Speaker 24: I couldn't answer that, but I do know that.

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Speaker 2: Just getting the receptionist, are we No.

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Speaker 24: I don't think so. We've got obviously an entire embassy

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Speaker 24: in Washington, senior people who speak to their senior counterparts.

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio taking a phone call from Winston.

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Speaker 24: I don't think they've had a discussion as yet.

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Speaker 2: So what has Winston told you? Has he told you

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Speaker 2: that he's got anybody seen here on the phone?

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Speaker 24: Winston has told me that he is continuing to engage

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Speaker 24: via our diplomats and that that's the appropriate way to

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Speaker 24: do it right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So it's not sounding all that hopeful on

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Speaker 2: that front. Then do you think, based on the fact

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Speaker 2: that Trump announced these exemptions for smartphones and laptops today,

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Speaker 2: are you taking any heart from that? Does it look

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Speaker 2: to you like he's going to cave?

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Speaker 24: Well, it looks to me that there's quite a lot

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Speaker 24: of water to flow under the bridge yet. And what

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Speaker 24: President Trump has said is that he's only put a

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Speaker 24: ninety day pause on the other higher tariffs, that he

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Speaker 24: is continuing to observe the way that different countries are

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Speaker 24: retaliating with tariffs, and that all of that is being

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Speaker 24: taken into account. So I don't have a crystal ball

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Speaker 24: about where this will all land. I think anyone who

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Speaker 24: claims that I know exactly where it's all landing is

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Speaker 24: probably fibbing, because ultimately the US administration is making decisions

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Speaker 24: in real time, will make decisions that we don't know

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Speaker 24: the results of yet.

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Speaker 2: What is Winston so worried about read what the prime

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Speaker 2: ministers said publicly.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think that they're actually saying very similar things,

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Speaker 24: which is this is a time for pragmatic dialogue between countries.

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Speaker 24: No one benefits when we get into tit for tat

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Speaker 24: retaliation wars. That it's actually hugely beneficial to the world

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01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 24: as a whole and to individual countries to have free

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,879
Speaker 24: trade flowing between borders.

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01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that people should be talking points. But Winston did

1510
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: say that he was hoping that the Prime Minister would

1511
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: take his check his messages and take his phone calls

1512
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: next time before he sees anything. That's a bit of

1513
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: an admonishment. What's he so worried about.

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 24: Well, I think that he just wants to be talking

1515
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 24: with the Prime Minister regularly at a time where clearly

1516
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 24: trade in the world is influx come on and that

1517
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 24: will be the case.

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't want it. He wouldn't have wanted those messages

1519
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 2: check unless he had something to say. What is he

1520
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: worried about? I mean, did the problems has say something

1521
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: that has freaked him out?

1522
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 24: I think you'd have to ask Winston. But what I

1523
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 24: can tell you is that he and the Prime Minis

1524
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 24: to have a very strong relationship and they're very aligned

1525
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 24: in the fact that New Zealand benefits from the free

1526
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 24: trade settings that we've pursued over multiple governments and that

1527
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 24: we will continue to pursue.

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01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: Nikola, why are we really dropping that final test for

1529
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 2: the full license.

1530
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 24: Because it just adds cost and pain for people and

1531
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 24: doesn't make anyone safer. You already have to do a

1532
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 24: practical test when you sit you're restricted, having to do

1533
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 24: it again for the final test. Actually, there's pretty good

1534
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 24: evidence that it stops some people ever getting their full

1535
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 24: driver's license because they get there restricted, they're free to

1536
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 24: be on the road and they think are doing the

1537
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 24: next ones a pain? And actually we want people to

1538
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 24: have their full driver's license. We want people to not

1539
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 24: face problems with the police when they're stopped because they

1540
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 24: don't have the full license. So we want to make

1541
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 24: that achievable. And the practical test for the restricted ticks

1542
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 24: the right box, right.

1543
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: So we see it as an obstacle like this is legitimate.

1544
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 2: You guys see it as legitimately an obstacle to people

1545
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: getting there full and so if you take it away,

1546
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: people will we'll square up with the law.

1547
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 24: Basically, yeah, they're more likely too, and it just reduces

1548
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 24: another cost. It's quite stressful sitting that test. It comes

1549
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 24: with a cost. It's something you have to book in.

1550
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 24: And if we've already done it at the restricted stage,

1551
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 24: then why repeat it in general. If we can reduce

1552
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 24: the cost of living for people, if we can make

1553
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 24: things easier, we want to.

1554
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: Now, are you guys considering doing a U turn on

1555
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 2: those infant formula rules?

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,480
Speaker 24: Well no, so just to remind you of the situation, Essentially,

1557
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 24: the New Zealand Australia Standard on labeling provisions would have

1558
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 24: restricted how some of our infant formula companies were able

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01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 24: to market their products. Since then, we said, well, if

1560
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 24: we can't work this through, we'll withdraw. I understand that

1561
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 24: there have now been discussions about how we could align

1562
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 24: our interests. We want to stay in the joint food

1563
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 24: system with Australia that has very good benefits. So this

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 24: is just a small issue relating to labeling. So if

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 24: that can be resolved and then we can stay in

1566
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 24: the New Zealand Standard, that's what we want to do.

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 24: And I understand that the Minister has been advancing discussions

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 24: on that basis. He hasn't brought recommendations to Cabinet yet,

1569
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 24: so I wouldn't want to get ahead of him. But

1570
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 24: if we can resolve the labeling issue and stay in

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01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 24: the standard, that's ideal.

1572
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: So are we asking them Okay, we sign up to

1573
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: the standard, but they have to change the labeling rules

1574
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: to suit us. Is that essentially what we're wanting to.

1575
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 24: Well, it may yeah, it may be that we stay

1576
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 24: in the standard, but then we allow for some slightly

1577
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 24: different labeling for some of our products without having any

1578
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 24: food safety issues.

1579
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 2: And we don't start pulling infant formula special infant formula

1580
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: off shelves and giving it to pharmacies to sell and

1581
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: all that kind of nonsense.

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01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 24: Well, what we want to avoid is anything that restricts

1583
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 24: the ability of our food and infant formula providers to

1584
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 24: be able to market their products effectively. So that's those

1585
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 24: are the issues that we've been working through, NICLA.

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: Do you think that these rules about requiring the public

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: servants to use will are really a good idea?

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 24: Yes, I do, because wool is a great product. It's

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 24: been underrated, undervalued, has lots of uses. And by saying

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01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 24: to the public agencies, hey, look, consider WILL when you're

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01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 24: doing your procurement. It has really good sustainability benefits. It's

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 24: actually much better value for money than many of you think,

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 24: and it has good whole of life costs. By giving

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01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 24: agencies that nudge, we're pretty sure some very good bids

1595
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 24: will come forward for woolen products and buildings that will

1596
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 24: stack up on their own merits. So that creates value

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 24: for the New Zealand economy as a whole, and it

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 24: creates great products and governments.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to it's going to work out at

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Speaker 2: the same price as a synthetic carpet.

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Speaker 24: Well, you have to take into account a number of factors.

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01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,839
Speaker 24: Whole of life cost, you have to take into account,

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01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 24: the sustainability, you have to take into account, the health

1604
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 24: outcomes and we're asking our government agencies when they're doing

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 24: procurement not just to write off Will right from the start,

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 24: but to consider all of those factors when they're putting

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01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 24: together their procurement.

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 2: But isn't it I mean, it feels like the kind

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 2: of dumb rules that Muldoon would have issued in order

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 2: to prop up in an industry.

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Speaker 24: Well, no, because Will is a great product and it's

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 24: come a long way. It can now be used not

1613
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 24: just for carpet but for insulation for acoustic panels. But

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 24: it's story well not always, not when you take into

1615
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 24: account the value that you're creating. And this is a

1616
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,879
Speaker 24: principle that I want in our procurement rules more generally,

1617
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 24: which is we shouldn't just be saying that one's twenty

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01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 24: cents more expensive per meter than that one. We should

1619
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 24: be saying, what's the value we get as a country

1620
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 24: from spending millions of dollars on this contract? And the

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01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 24: truth is when it's creating a industry, when it's supporting

1622
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 24: an industry on the margin, that can create greater value

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01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 24: for New Zealand of course we should take that into account.

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: Did you buy Winston a present? Yes? What did you

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 2: buy him?

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Speaker 24: Well, I respect that he's a private person and so

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 24: the gift that I've bought him, I will leave it

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01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 24: to him. Was it a whiskey he would wish to

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01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 24: reveal it It was not. I was a little more

1630
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 24: creative than that. Links I paid tribute to his love

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 24: of rail and a form which I will lead him

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01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 24: to discuss should he wish to.

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 2: Okay, but you just okay, So it's got it's rail related.

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: Just a final question, was it a toy set or

1635
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: was it a ticket on it?

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Speaker 24: It was neither of those things, fairies. No, well those

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01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 24: were not. Those were not a gift because of course

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01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 24: they're funded by the New Zealand Text Path. So not

1639
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 24: on my gift to give.

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Speaker 2: Nicola, thank you very much for your time, lovely to

1641
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: chat you. That's Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister a trains.

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 2: I would have gone straight for a single Moult would

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 2: new It's just the simplest thing and you know bring

1644
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 2: him a lot of joy. But you also know gone

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,919
Speaker 2: in one night seventeen past six.

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Speaker 2: Heather, you need to change your attitude about will Heather,

1649
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 2: would you like to wrap your baby and you're not

1650
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 2: in nylon or in wool, Peter, Look, of course I

1651
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: want to wrap the baby in wool rather than nylon.

1652
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: But the thing is it's my choice, right So if

1653
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: I want to wrap the baby and nylon, I can

1654
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: wrap the baby baby and nylon. And that's ultimately what

1655
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 2: it comes down to is you should be able to

1656
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: choose whether you use wool carpet or whether you use

1657
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: synthetic carpet. That's the important thing, is the choice. Otherwise

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: we're back to some sort of weird, kind of old

1659
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: doom way of running the place. Having said that, though,

1660
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: if you can do the wall, you probably want to

1661
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: do the wall, because, as somebody's pointed out, petroleum based

1662
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: carpets give you about three minutes to vacate your house

1663
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: in the event of fire. Do you want a bit

1664
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: longer to save yourself and your children? Probably want to

1665
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: lay the carpet down that's wool, wouldn't you. Twenty past

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01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 2: six time for a look at the Markets've got Shane

1667
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: solely from Harbor Asset Management. We've been our Shane gooda.

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01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 2: How are you and very well? Thank you? Now, what

1669
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: did you make this? O mate, thank you, it's good

1670
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: to talk to you too. What did you make of

1671
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: this exemption for the smartphones and the computers and the

1672
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: electronics and stuff from Trump? Is this a good news sign?

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01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 27: Yeah, it is, but you know, you've got to step back.

1674
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 27: We've had a policy induce skier to grow, so anything

1675
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 27: that with Jesus policy rest that's helpful. So this ninety

1676
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 27: day reprieve, and we're going to be careful about this.

1677
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 27: It is a reprieve to tech tariffs is helpful, go back.

1678
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 27: We are a little bit worried as a capital market.

1679
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 27: This is a bit of a go and o go

1680
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 27: situation that.

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01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 5: Pushed out tariffs.

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 27: But the administration saying, hey, look we're going to launch

1683
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 27: some new investigations into semiconductor chips and that may actually

1684
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 27: capture a bunch of tech applications.

1685
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 5: So it's helpful. It's in the right direction. But we've

1686
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 5: got to heck up and we are.

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 27: Perhaps past peak tariff noise, but there's a lot of

1688
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 27: uncertained to heather and that's going to continue to keep

1689
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 27: pressure on consumers and businesses and markets.

1690
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: Now I see the Fed is saying it's willing to

1691
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: get involved. What exactly does that mean?

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01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 5: Yes, a season Colin.

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01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 27: She's the head of a Boston see and she's a

1694
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 27: member of the FED Open Market Committee. She told the

1695
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 27: Financial Times that the US Central Bank, the FED, is

1696
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 27: absolutely preared to step in and stabilize financial markets of

1697
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 27: conditions become this order. And so what we saw last

1698
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 27: week was some disruptions the government bond yields, government bond markets,

1699
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 27: and that's what you're talking about, disruption. What she's saying

1700
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 27: is we think markets are still functioning well, we're not

1701
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 27: seeing liquidity issues, but we're ready to step in. It's

1702
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 27: really important. It's important to give people confidence that US

1703
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 27: government bonds they are a safe asset and by definition,

1704
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 27: other government bonds, including our own, are safe.

1705
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 2: And so what's been the reaction locally to both the tariffs,

1706
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: the tech tariffs and the and the FED comments.

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Look the bond yields, and they are important. They're

1708
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 5: pretty flat.

1709
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 27: The tenure government bond youars flat at four point seventy five.

1710
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 27: They're quite a long way up from where they started

1711
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 27: the year, but they've stopped going up. That's important. The

1712
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 27: New Zealand dollar back to just turn of fifty nine

1713
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 27: cents fifty eight sixty against the US dollar.

1714
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 5: That's about US dollar weakness.

1715
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 27: So one of the things we've seen through this last

1716
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 27: few weeks is the US dollar has been falling and

1717
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 27: the New Zealand shear market was about point seventy percent,

1718
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 27: so less than one percent more than half led by

1719
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 27: defensive growth companies like infratill them already and phishent Parkway

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 27: out here near Boss.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, not a bad day, but not super exciting.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's coming up this week that the investors should

1723
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: keep an eye out for.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, busy week. Thanks said that. The probably q and

1725
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Speaker 5: locally is on Thursday.

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Speaker 27: We've got this New Zealand consumer price inflation from March

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01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 27: the March quarter. I should give the Reserve Bank in

1728
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 27: New Zealand a green light to keep cutting official rates.

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 27: We're seeing certainly businesses and surveys saying, hey, look the

1730
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 27: inflation conditions of form, so that should give us a

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01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 27: green light for more cuts thusday night. We've also got

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Speaker 27: mister Powell, who's the cheer of the US federal is

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01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 27: there talking about economic outlook. He's probably going to be

1734
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 27: a little bit weary. We've also got the European Central

1735
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 27: Bank potentially cutting interest rates. And then later in the

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Speaker 27: week we've got a large number of US companies delivering

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 27: profit results and then it'll give the real tone for

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01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 27: where we should expect the markets to go on. Of course,

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01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 27: we're closed for Easter Friday, so simply to be a

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Speaker 27: little of focus on Easter eggs on over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Shane, thanks very much, looking forward to sewing you next week.

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01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 2: Is Shane solely how management hither. It's right that it's

1743
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: all about choices to read the carpets, to use or

1744
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: not to use the wall, but up until recently public

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 2: servants haven't actually had the choice to use and I've

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01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: I've had to take the option of not using the wall.

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: And now the floodgates are open, they will choose what

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Speaker 2: they will choose. To fairpoint twenty four past six.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results, it's heather to

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01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: the clan with the business hour and mass insurance and investments,

1751
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: grow your wealth, protect your future usetogs.

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01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: That'd be a bit of a mixed bag on the

1753
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: old business sales at the moment sounds like the heaps

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01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: of heaps of interest. So if you've got a business

1755
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: to sell. There's a lot of interest in buying it.

1756
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: But the problem is, by the sounds of things, prices

1757
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: a dropping, so you want to get selling pretty quickly.

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01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about that in about ten

1759
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: minutes time. It's twenty seven past six. Argentina. Now, I

1760
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 2: am fascinated by the story of Argentina at the moment.

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01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: There's been some big news out of Argentina just in

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01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 2: the last few days. Fascinated because the IMF has just

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01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 2: given Argentina a huge loan of about I think it's

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01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: about fourteen billion US dollars and it sounds like bits

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01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: and bob, maybe like another six billion from others and

1766
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: so on, but it it adds up to a total

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01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: package of twenty billion. But what this is is a

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Speaker 2: real vote of confidence in what the President of Argentina

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01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: is doing and if he gets this right, what he's

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01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: doing at the moment, it's a blueprint for basically going

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01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: fast and hard if you want to turn an economy around,

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01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 2: as opposed to what our government is doing, which is

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01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 2: sort of a bit of tinkering and sort of go yeah,

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01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: it's not that bad, it's not that great, but it's

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01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 2: going to do a little bit here and a little

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01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,799
Speaker 2: bit and it's a fire. Maybe like a few public servants,

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01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: but not too many. Over in Argentina, as you well know,

1778
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 2: they've had huge inflation, a devaluing currency, massive fiscal deficits.

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 2: It's just been a disaster. So Zaviamila has just gone

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01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 2: through and fired tens of thousands of public servants, has

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01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: done all this stuff and at the moment it's working.

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01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: And because of this IMF floan, he's going to now

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01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 2: lift the strict capital and currency controls which they've been

1784
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: keeping in place in order to stop capital fleeing the country.

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01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: So keep an eye on that because it looks very

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01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: much like a good news story for Argentina. And he's

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01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: been in charge as long as the nats have been

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01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: in charged here, so we'll see which one who gets

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01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: there first. The guy who's doing it big and bold

1790
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,520
Speaker 2: are the ones who are tinkering headlines.

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Speaker 1: Next, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's

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01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: all on the Business Hour with Anther Duplessy, Allen and

1793
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: Maya's Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 5: These talks at me.

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Speaker 18: Thank you.

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01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray out of the UK is going to be

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01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: with us very shortly. In the next ten minutes, took

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01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: us through what is going on with these efforts to

1799
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: keep the British steel industry going. Winston Peters has just

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01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: given a press conference. He's in a YI at the

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01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: Moment's just given a press conference where he's been asked

1802
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: about this business about telling the Prime Minister off in public,

1803
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: and he has just shut it down very quickly.

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01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 25: A question from the press gallery entrede war talk. The

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01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 25: Prime Minister has called your comments. I'm writing about him

1806
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 25: calling you first before going and having me to to

1807
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 25: build leaders and you'll.

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01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 19: Speaking the first guttery back home. And I'm in Hawaii

1809
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 19: now dealing with our old story. If and when I

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01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 19: get back home, I'll deal with their domest gessues.

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01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 2: Interesting from him because wasn't he offshore in Samoa and

1812
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 2: Tongue of various other parts of the Pacific where he

1813
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: was making all these comments that kicked us off in

1814
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: the first place. But now that he's offshore in Hawaii,

1815
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 2: apparently we don't want to be dealing with it anymore.

1816
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: Twenty three away from seven Heather do for see. Apparently

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01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: demand is outstripping supply when it comes to the sale

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 2: of small businesses, there is a wrinkle though, for anyone's

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01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: selling prices are going down. This is from data released

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Speaker 2: by ABC Business Sales and the managing director, Chris Smaller's.

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Speaker 26: With us at Chris, Hey here, welcome back. How are

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01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 26: you doing?

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01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 9: Oh?

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01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 24: Thank you.

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01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to be back. Although I'm going to

1826
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 2: be honest with you, while the bosses are not listenings,

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01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they're not listening for it this very minute.

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01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: Doing it one day is something doing it every single

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01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: day from here on and is kind of confronting. Do

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01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 5: I'm sure you'd be Okay, I think so too.

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01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: I've done it before. Okay, now, Chris, why have we

1833
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: got the spike in demand?

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01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 26: Look, there's a couple of buying groups that to the four.

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01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 26: You know, we've had over twenty five thousand confidentiality agreement

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01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 26: signed this financial year versus nineteen thousand the year before,

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01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 26: and we've really seen a lot of There's still a

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 26: lot of new migrants coming in from countries such as India,

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01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 26: China and the Philippines, and they're more inclined to want

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01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 26: to purchase a small business than actually work for a

1841
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 26: big corporate We've also still got a pretty steady flow

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01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 26: of people being made redundant out of the big corporates

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01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 26: who then have to look to replicate their income. And

1844
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 26: they're probably really the two key groups that have sort

1845
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 26: of jumped on this sort of business ownership to look

1846
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 26: to find some income.

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01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: And why the price is coming down. Is this a

1848
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: case of prices actually falling or is it simply that

1849
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: the average is being skewed by lower prices.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, it's definitely the latter there, Heather. Again, when you

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01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 26: think about those Asian immigrants of countries and they're generally

1852
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 26: their budgets below five hundred thousand dollars, so we've had

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01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 26: a raal uptick and really quite small businesses being sold

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01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 26: for two three, four hundred thousand dollars in really high volumes,

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 26: and that's skewed.

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01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 5: It skewed the average.

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Speaker 26: Another meaningful statistic we used to measure, you know, how

1858
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 26: business prices are going as the multiple, so business is

1859
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 26: usually profit times are multiple. Now that multiple has actually

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01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 26: gone up seven percent, so that's almost a better way

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01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 26: of realizing our prices of business is going up. And

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01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 26: the answer to that is, well, the multiple is going

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01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 26: up seven it's gone up seven percent, and that's probably

1864
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 26: a better test. But yes, you are technically correct. The

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01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 26: average has gone down. It's because we've got a really

1866
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 26: high volume of low price business has been sold at

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01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 26: the moment.

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Speaker 2: How do you think the business in the global economy

1869
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 2: is going to just the uncertainty around what Trump is

1870
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: doing is going to affect sales?

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01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 26: Look really good question. I think a lot of these

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01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 26: businesses are quite domestically. Obviously, anything with an export element

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01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 26: to it that might be goodness. Twenty percent of the

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01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 26: businesses we sell, but eighty percent of the business we

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01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 26: sell are just domestic focused, and they're more interested in inflation,

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01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 26: how much money people are spending domestically. So I would

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01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 26: suggest that really it's it's going to have a little

1878
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 26: bit of an effect, but it's not going to be

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01:26:59,200 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 26: material or meaningful.

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01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: Yes, good stuff and please to hear that, Chris, Thank

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01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 2: you so much, appreciated Chris Small, ABC Business Sales Managing Director. Well,

1882
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean this was bound to happen. I'm back one

1883
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: day and Tory Farno's made a dick of herself again,

1884
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: hasn't she? Of course she has, because why, I mean,

1885
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 2: did anything change in the last four months. I don't

1886
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: think so. One of the things what I'm talking about specifically,

1887
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: is the response to one of Tory's bright ideas. Now,

1888
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: one of the things that Tory Farno did was one

1889
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: of the first things she did when she became the

1890
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 2: mayor of Wellington was to launch a campaign to try

1891
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 2: to lure Aucklander's to Wellington. I mean, thank god, unfortunately

1892
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: not particularly expensive. She only spent six thousand dollars on it.

1893
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 2: And what it was was a half paige ad in

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01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 2: the Herald. But it sounds of things just one half

1895
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: page ad, So I mean, that's not much of a campaign.

1896
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: Is it more of a self promotion? I would have thought,

1897
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 2: But anyway, never mind. So she took out a half

1898
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: paige ad in the Herald for six thousand dollars and

1899
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: it said killed a Tarmiki makodo. We understand a few

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01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 2: of you may be considering your career options at present.

1901
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: To just thought I would drop you a wi note

1902
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: from us in tefung and Nui a Tata. I'm testing

1903
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 2: your geography here immediately, your geography and your understanding, said

1904
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 2: el Martin, just to let you know that we're on

1905
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: the lookout for more talented, creative, innovative people to help

1906
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 2: grow Altia or his capital. Get in touch. No, mahe

1907
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: Tory Fano, Mayor of Wellington. And then it's got the

1908
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 2: email address work at wellingtonenz dot com. Guess how many

1909
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 2: people replied to that? Right, this is a city of

1910
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: one point seven million people reading the Herald, and the

1911
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: Herald goes nationwide, so anyone could really have decided to

1912
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: respond to it. So let's just include the whole country.

1913
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: There's six million people thereabouts. How many people reply to

1914
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Torri's email?

1915
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 5: Twelve?

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01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: Has there been a poorer strike? Right anywhere in the world?

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01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: You have five million people potentially as you pull, you're

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01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: fishing in five million people. No, may Hey Tory, you

1919
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 2: get twelve, replied, oh man, I think a scammer has

1920
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 2: a better hit than they're eighteen away from seven.

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01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour

1922
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: with Heather Duplic Ellen and Mayor's insurance and investments, Grow

1923
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

1924
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: These talks d be listen if you've got any trouble sleeping.

1925
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 2: I've got some tips toe this. It's not weird like

1926
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 2: I've actually got some it's not going to get sixty.

1927
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: We're not going to play the sixty music. I've got

1928
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 2: some good tips for you how to get to sleep,

1929
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: so just hang on. I'm we get to that shortly.

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Speaker 2: It's quarter to seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondence

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01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: with me. Hey Gvin, Hey, Heva lovely to have you back, mate,

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Speaker 2: It's lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: How are we going with British Steel?

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Speaker 10: A very very touch and go at the moment, the

1936
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Speaker 10: government called an emergency sitting of Parliament on Saturday, the

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Speaker 10: first time since the Falklands War that's happened back in

1938
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Speaker 10: the early eighties, and both houses, the House of Lords

1939
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Speaker 10: and House of Parliament sat in order to pass through

1940
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Speaker 10: emergency legislation to take over British Steel. Today, the rush

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Speaker 10: is really on to secure the supply of raw materials.

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Speaker 10: It now materializes that the company which had bought British Steel,

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Speaker 10: a Chinese company, had stopped buying any more raw materials

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Speaker 10: to make the steel, and indeed was selling off some

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Speaker 10: of the stocks of the ingredients the iron ore and

1946
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Speaker 10: coal and other raw materials were selling those off, So

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Speaker 10: in other words, they were deliberately running the plant down

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Speaker 10: that the government said it couldn't allow. That's why it

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Speaker 10: took this emergency work. They believe that it's the only

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Speaker 10: place in the UK where you can make prime steel

1951
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Speaker 10: in other words, not from recycled metals, but from the

1952
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Speaker 10: oars themselves, and they said this is far too important

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Speaker 10: to let go. So this relationship with the Jinghi the company,

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Speaker 10: well it certainly looks very fractious, but the government determined

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Speaker 10: to try and keep it going. But the moment those

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Speaker 10: raw materials run out, the danger is those blast furnaces

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Speaker 10: will not reopen and listen.

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Speaker 2: Despite all the big talk from this new government, it's

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Speaker 2: not managed to do anything about the number of migrants

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Speaker 2: crossing the channel, has it.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 10: The slogan was We're going to smash the gangs, referring

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Speaker 10: to the people smaggling gangs. Well they have made no

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Speaker 10: improvement at all. In fact, the number of migrants arriving

1965
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Speaker 10: in the UK after crossing the English Channel has reached

1966
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Speaker 10: a new record for the first four months of the year.

1967
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Speaker 10: In other words, since this new government has been in.

1968
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Speaker 10: Over the weekend the total went over eight thousand and

1969
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Speaker 10: fifty well less than halfway through April. It's already higher

1970
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Speaker 10: than these seven five hundred and sixty people who crossed

1971
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Speaker 10: the channel over the first four months of last year,

1972
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Speaker 10: and that was a record high at the time. So

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Speaker 10: the big question pressure on the government to do something.

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Speaker 5: What can it do?

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Speaker 10: Well, clearly the plan to smash the gangs is not

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Speaker 10: enough on its own. I appreciate these things take time,

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Speaker 10: but I do think this government and successive governments or

1978
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 10: predssessing governments have really misunderstood the level of angle that

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Speaker 10: people are having, particularly when they hear migrants in France

1980
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Speaker 10: say we want to get to the UK because in

1981
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Speaker 10: some cases, you know, we want to be put up

1982
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Speaker 10: in a hotel. Well, that bill is costing sixteen million

1983
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Speaker 10: New Zealand dollars a day, and this government seemingly has

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01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 10: not got the numbers staying in hotels down either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, Okay, how's it going in Birmingham.

1986
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Speaker 10: With great difficulty. So Birmingham has had a rubbish strike,

1987
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 10: a bin strike since the middle of March. The row

1988
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Speaker 10: is overpay and it's a row with unions. And this

1989
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Speaker 10: is interesting because of course the government, the labor government

1990
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Speaker 10: here is supported by a lot of unions and vice versa.

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Speaker 10: So this is an awkward one for it. This is

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Speaker 10: Birmingham City Council, which is a labor run council, is

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Speaker 10: now having to appeal to neighboring authorities to help and

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Speaker 10: is having to pay them. And now they're even calling

1995
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Speaker 10: in the army to help tackle the crisis. Now, don't

1996
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Speaker 10: get me wrong. This isn't soldiers doing the manual work.

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Speaker 5: This is military.

1998
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Speaker 10: Planners called in to help tackle the mounting piles of rubbish.

1999
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 10: Seventeen thousands of rubbish are said to have accumulated across

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Speaker 10: Birmingham over the first four weeks at the strike. A

2001
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,560
Speaker 10: recent negotiation did not work. The unions walked away and

2002
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 10: couldn't get an agreement with the council. The government's trying

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Speaker 10: sort of not to get involved because it doesn't look

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Speaker 10: very good on it, of course being a labor council

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01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 10: and supporting the unions, but what a mess. People are

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01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 10: reporting terrible problems with bermin and rats and frankly with

2007
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 10: warm weather. It's been pretty disgusting for the people at Birmingham.

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Speaker 2: Can Imaginekevin, thank you very much, Check you in a

2009
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Speaker 2: couple of days. Look after yourself. It's Kevin gray Are

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent I can.

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Speaker 24: Here we go. So this.

2012
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Speaker 2: Is relevant to probably everybody everywhere, but especially people who

2013
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: are particularly sleep deprived and really need to peck in

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01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: as much sleep as you possibly can. I'm talking about

2015
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: myself here with a three month old right hair, to

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01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 2: get to sleep really quickly. Apparently this is according to

2017
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: new research. Apparently what you need to try is a

2018
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: thing called cognitive shuffling. Now how cognitive shuffling because is

2019
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 2: basically you have to try and think about random words

2020
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 2: and then you will fall asleep. And if you do this,

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01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 2: you will fall asleep anywhere between five and fifteen minutes.

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01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: Sounds like a long time to me, but if you're

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Speaker 2: waking up at three am and then you're awake for

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Speaker 2: an hour, five to fifteen minutes is a good time, right.

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Speaker 2: So this is how it works. Pick a word like piano,

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Speaker 2: and then you go through every single one of the

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Speaker 2: letters and you try to find as many words associated

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Speaker 2: with that letter. So, for example, piano starts with P,

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Speaker 2: so you go pair parachute, paul pirouette. Then you go

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Speaker 2: to I and you do that for five to eight seconds,

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Speaker 2: not for particularly long, just as quick as you can

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Speaker 2: in five to eight seconds. Then you go to I

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01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 2: and you go item intention immature igloo, and then you

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01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 2: go to a Apple and eater as whatever, Apple phone whatever.

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Speaker 2: Then you go to end November nitron, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you go work your way through it.

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01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 2: And so you basically just you basically just thinks of

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01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 2: as many random words as you possibly can and it'll

2039
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 2: lull you to sleep. Now, not only does that works

2040
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: into two ways. Number One, you're taking your mind off

2041
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 2: whatever it is that's keeping you awake at night. Right, So,

2042
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about your mortgage, or you're thinking about

2043
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 2: how irritating your mother in lawyers or whatever, it's going

2044
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 2: to take your mind off that. But also apparently when

2045
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 2: you fall asleep you do a series of little micro dreams.

2046
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:18,959
Speaker 2: I don't think many of us aware of this. Apparently

2047
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 2: micro dreams happen where your your mind just kind of

2048
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 2: like shuffles through fragmented, non li nonlinear thought patterns, and

2049
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 2: by coming up with random words, you're just mimicking that,

2050
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: and you're basically forcing your brain into a similar thing.

2051
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 2: Give it a hon I'm going to give it a

2052
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 2: hern tonight and we'll chat again tomorrow about whether it

2053
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 2: worked or not. Because it's possible. I've just lead you

2054
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: completely up the garden path. But it's worth a hern,

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01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 2: isn't it. Nine Away from seven it's the.

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Speaker 2: Debate debate, debate going on in the team right now

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01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 2: as to whether the amount of pawn that's been accessed

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Speaker 2: in the Prime Minister's office is a lot or what

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Speaker 2: was to be fair? Prime Minister.

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Speaker 13: Welcome back, Heather, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the second time, isn't it in the

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01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 2: show that we needed the sex music? So we're getting it.

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Speaker 2: We're just starting off with a bang unintended department of

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and cabinet. Taxpayers Unions be no IA in

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Speaker 2: them because who's got a filthy mind? Of the Taxpayers

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Speaker 2: Union thought, I wonder how much porn they're watching in

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Speaker 2: the Prime Ministers So they sent in an OIA for

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01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 2: how much you've been watching in a year, and it's

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01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: only twenty four times. Laura the Germans says, it's quite

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01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: a lot for a year. I say, how many people

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01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 2: are in there's not just one person working there.

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Speaker 14: Hey, that's not a loss at all.

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01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 2: And so we thought who better to arbitrate than the

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Speaker 2: male and the team, and.

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Speaker 13: Well between a whole team of people, it's weird on

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01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 13: your work phone.

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01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 2: It's dumb on you, it is.

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01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 22: Yeah.

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01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 13: I think most people who have a work phone and

2082
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 13: a personal phone know there are certain things that they

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01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 13: don't do. And maybe sometimes it gets kind of like,

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01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 13: oh is snapchatting your mate because the workphone is the

2085
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 13: only your pulp. But this is this is another lead though.

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01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Is what it should its instance?

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Speaker 13: Sad, No one should be defended for using these any work.

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01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: For this It's a secable offense, right, It's an instant,

2089
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 2: secuble offense. Not because I'm offended that you looked at

2090
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 2: pawn on your work phone because I think you're dumb

2091
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 2: who does that?

2092
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm just a bit worried that the people advising

2093
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 13: our Prime minister, a very very important job are the

2094
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 13: sort of people who just don't even think before they

2095
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 13: do that on their work Ford. Do you remember the

2096
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 13: big Ashley Madison leak Heather a few years ago, the

2097
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 13: site where you go to look up like getting an affair,

2098
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 13: And in that big leak there were a bunch of

2099
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 13: US government email addresses and the big concern at the

2100
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 13: time was that there are publics, there were public servants

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01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 13: in the US who couldn't even be bothered starting up

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Speaker 13: a fake Gmail account for the you know, for the

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01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 13: website where you go to look for affairs.

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Speaker 14: Fire them.

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01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 13: So this is the thing. These people can't be bothered

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Speaker 13: buying a bonafie with their or using their personal phone

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Speaker 13: with the.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, stupid, Not because I'm offended by what you did,

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Speaker 2: just because I think you're dumb? Okay, And what have

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Speaker 2: you got for us?

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Speaker 13: Hot and cold by Katie Corry to play us out tonight?

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Speaker 7: Why not?

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Speaker 13: She's going to space. She's going to space, She's in news.

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Speaker 13: This is a topical thing to play and it's a

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Speaker 13: vaniled welcome back you you mistustin. This is the best

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Speaker 13: song Katie Peririe. I will I will die on it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a song that Katie Perry did so qualifies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and oh let me not talk over the chorus,

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Speaker 2: Bye see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Why my drops down jacket?

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Speaker 2: This change your mind like a girl.

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Speaker 1: Change is close.

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Speaker 3: Because you're hot?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Do you.

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Speaker 7: Up ut down your way? By back? We can't win

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