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Speaker 1: Now the stats between Winston Peters and the National Party

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Speaker 1: over the India Free Trade Deal has deepened. Trade Minister

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Speaker 1: Todd McLay has revealed Winston Peters pulled his support before

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Speaker 1: he'd even seen the final office. So let's talk to him,

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Speaker 1: of course. New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters Winston, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you? And well thank you? So, as Todd right,

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Speaker 1: we pulled.

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Speaker 2: The deal when we knew what it was going to

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Speaker 2: be signed up to the moment we found that out

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Speaker 2: and we said we can't support that. So it's not

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Speaker 2: pulling the deal. We were saying, So you're meant to

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Speaker 2: be in a free trade deal negotiation. Now you've got

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Speaker 2: an immigration deal negotiation and we're not happy with it.

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Speaker 1: So what was the date do you remember roughly when

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Speaker 1: you pulled the deal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this last ye week, remember that exactly. My team

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Speaker 2: were talking about it. We know the exactly, it's all diarized.

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Speaker 2: We sent a note and to make sure that it

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Speaker 2: was no mistake.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And so you're saying you actually knew the details

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Speaker 1: of the deal when you pulled your support. You knew

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Speaker 1: what we were signing up for.

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Speaker 2: That's right, okay.

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Speaker 1: And specifically.

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Speaker 2: That's because we were kept. We had to be kept

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Speaker 2: the breast of it. I've been to India myself. I

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Speaker 2: talked to him from the very beginning and you know

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Speaker 2: we were talking about a immigration a trade deal and

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Speaker 2: it is not being substantial an immigration deal. Don't believe me.

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Speaker 2: See what go we are the Prevalent Minister to McLay

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Speaker 2: and what MONI, the Prime Minister, are saying, and are

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Speaker 2: we saying that they're not telling the truth. That's the

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Speaker 2: point here.

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Speaker 1: So your primary problem is the migration aspect. Is it

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Speaker 1: too many arrivals?

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Speaker 2: Well, it could be twenty thousand plus in any given time.

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Speaker 2: That's the point. Now I've heard that mister mcclay's appearance

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Speaker 2: at the Select Committee today and in the ear he

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Speaker 2: had to concede that there were those people who had

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Speaker 2: the right to bring their spousers and their children right away.

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Speaker 2: Right away here comes one person, modify the spouse and

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Speaker 2: the toilad you go to twenty twenty five thousand just

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Speaker 2: like that, and easy onors are not being.

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Speaker 1: Told that is it all five thousand of these potential

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Speaker 1: arrivals who can bring family?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Because here's the point again, it was said at

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Speaker 2: the ele committee. But we have uncapped student and we're

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Speaker 2: coming to young now, yeah, use for export education. It's uncapped.

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Speaker 2: But they're coming and their economy and their parents are

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Speaker 2: paying for their education in New Zealand. What's happening here

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Speaker 2: is in the economy is paying for the education. That's

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Speaker 2: why they can get twenty hours, That's why they've got

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Speaker 2: to get three more years to work. The New zeal

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Speaker 2: economy is going to be paying for the education, and

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Speaker 2: that is not export education.

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Speaker 1: But but I mean these people are coming to work

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Speaker 1: in parts of the economy where we have skill shortages.

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Speaker 1: So there is a benefit to us.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, seriously shares yoga teachers, natural

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Speaker 2: medicine practitioners.

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Speaker 1: That's only two hundred of them. That's only two hundred

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Speaker 1: out of five thousand.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you understand.

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Speaker 1: That's stillful. But isn't that workers that we need?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you you need to understand what's going

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Speaker 2: on in immigration now? The number of the roads that

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Speaker 2: have been pulled a form in some ways, it's been

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Speaker 2: a form of slavery. There people coming here to get education,

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Speaker 2: but they are not ever going to be educated because

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Speaker 2: the purpose of there to coming here is to work

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Speaker 2: and all sorts of jobs and under the radar, so

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Speaker 2: to speak, and not being paid properly. It isn't it

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Speaker 2: shopping and diving on is in. I know this because

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Speaker 2: I've seen it, and I know nothing.

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Speaker 1: But Winston, you are changing the subject here. Am I

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Speaker 1: not right that those occupations that you just listed only

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Speaker 1: account for two hundred of the five thousand workers that

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Speaker 1: are coming here. Four eight hundred are in skill areas

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Speaker 1: where we have skill shortages.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, we don't have skill shortage in the

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Speaker 2: context that they're saying. Because if we did, why didn't

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Speaker 2: we offer that to China? Why didn't we offer that

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Speaker 2: to other countries?

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Speaker 1: Because it's important to the Indians, it's what they wanted.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, excuse me. Look, we have been waiting

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Speaker 2: since nineteen eighty five when Mike Moore took a delegation

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Speaker 2: there for a free trade deal, and then we've got

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Speaker 2: a promise we're going to get one more than three

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Speaker 2: years and within twenty one months we've signed up to

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Speaker 2: something without doing the work and without telling the public. Question,

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Speaker 2: has any journalist or any immedia person seen this deal?

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Speaker 2: And if not, why not?

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Speaker 1: Well answer the question for me.

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Speaker 2: Why not, well, because they cannot appare to disclose it

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Speaker 2: at this point in time. They are saying that they've

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Speaker 2: got legal work working on to make sure it means

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Speaker 2: what we greet it means. Excuse me, that can't be true.

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Speaker 2: Ask Kipkins, have you been asked and have you beat?

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the deal? Yes or no? Because the

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Speaker 2: youths have you seen the deal? Why haven't you seen

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Speaker 2: the deal? Why haven't your listeners heard about it? Something

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Speaker 2: is going off me wrong here now. I don't mean

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Speaker 2: to be difficult about it, but I said from the

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Speaker 2: word goo that I'll do my best to help the

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Speaker 2: steal over the line, but it's got to be a

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Speaker 2: trade deal.

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Speaker 1: Winston listen, thank you very much, always appreciate your time.

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