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Speaker 2: Hello Green, New Zillis, and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show, Podcast number one seventy five for Monday, the

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Speaker 2: fourth of August twenty twenty five. Fantastic show. Today, Boy,

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Speaker 2: oh boy, did we hear a lot about botox and

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Speaker 2: that murky world of botox.

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Speaker 3: Got a lot of use apparently, Yeah, not just for

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Speaker 3: the old wrinkles.

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Speaker 2: Yep, there's a lot of medical uses. Gets a bit

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Speaker 2: gross at one point, but also I think we solved

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Speaker 2: the NCAA problem and also very heated discussion about what

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Speaker 2: might stop the government from getting elected.

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Speaker 3: Said, be good after noon to you. Welcome into Monday's show.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're doing fantastic. Whek if you're listening in the country, Hey, Matt,

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Speaker 3: it's messive.

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Speaker 2: We yawn their mate he apologies, it's not because on board.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited about the show, but I had a

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Speaker 2: massive weekends around a half marathon down in top Forth.

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Speaker 2: Did you fantastically run event?

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Speaker 4: Down?

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Speaker 5: There?

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Speaker 2: Was such a good time running the half marathon on

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, and also had to watch you know, three

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Speaker 2: a lot of late nights watching. If one what a

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Speaker 2: result for Liam Lawson and my boy Lando and the

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Speaker 2: McLaren fantastic was all worth it. So if I yawned

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Speaker 2: a little bit, then it's not because I don't love

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Speaker 2: being here.

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Speaker 3: It's a dedication yours.

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Speaker 2: Just I had a lot to do on the weekend,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know you raced that trek a couple

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Speaker 3: of times yourself actually met he So did you do

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Speaker 3: better than Liam or Liam? Liam did pretty well.

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Speaker 2: On my simulator. It's a difficult track there, as they say,

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Speaker 2: Monaco withall without walls, without houses. No, no, I've had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well done to our boy Liam.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely unless you dive bomb people Max did on Hamilton,

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Speaker 2: My god, Lewis Hamilton, how about that? Just how upset.

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Speaker 2: He was seven time world champion, the most celebrated, argued,

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Speaker 2: the most celebrated Formula One driver of all time, and

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Speaker 2: They should get another driver.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, isn't it? That Aposta syndrome affix someone like

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Speaker 2: You would look at Lewis Herman say you're forty years old.

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Speaker 2: You've achieved so much. The world is your oyster. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, more money than you could ever spend in

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Speaker 2: But still very unhappy.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Right to today's show. After three o'clock, the rise

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: to the boondo of it. What does it do? What

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Speaker 2: Why is it getting more and more and more popular.

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Speaker 2: After two a clock, the n CEA is being thrown out,

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this? And there's a question.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a little line in the proposal, Tayler.

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Speaker 3: There is, and this one caught our attention. So the

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Speaker 3: bullet point was creating new subjects and standards to support

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Speaker 2: So what subjects do you think would be more helpful

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's a great question and it's going to be

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Speaker 2: To help our economy succeed, Yeah, fill the slots that

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Speaker 3: Nicely said, that is after talk, clop. But right now,

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Speaker 3: let's have a chat about the National Party. So outgoing

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Speaker 3: He stepped down after thirty years with the party over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the economy, stupid. Yeah. So what do you

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Speaker 2: thinking what are the biggest weaknesses to be exploited for

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Speaker 2: it has been tough times. There is a lot of

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Speaker 2: of pushback in the media. You've got to say, I

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Speaker 2: was watching one News this last week and I'm going

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Speaker 3: No, they what the booden?

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Speaker 2: They've decided where they sit on it. They they're they're

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Speaker 2: opposed to the government. They are broadcast that's opposed to

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Speaker 2: the government. So that that's a head win for the government.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. We've got about fourteen months into the election, so

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Speaker 3: this is a biggie. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call. What do you see is the

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Speaker 3: biggest threats to National being re elected or what are

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Speaker 3: their weak weaknesses that could be exploited? Really keen to

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Speaker 3: ever chat with you on this. I eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number of call.

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Speaker 2: Here's a text, it's just come through. There is nothing

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Speaker 2: they can do. National is cooked. Sanity will be restored.

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Speaker 2: No one has destroyed an economy quicker than Luxen and

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Speaker 2: his crew of no nothings.

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Speaker 3: Who straight off the bat. Love that. What do you

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Speaker 3: say to that text? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call. It's twelve past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

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Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon due it is a quarter pass one.

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Speaker 3: So what are the biggest threats to the National Party

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, Poles a bs. There is

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Speaker 2: no way when it comes to the currunch we would

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Speaker 2: put the economic terrorists back. And I say this as

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Speaker 2: National far from perfect, but at least they aren't irresponsible. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: well it's two sides to that. From the last two

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Speaker 2: text we've read out. The other one I read out

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Speaker 2: was there's nothing they can do Nationalist cock. Sanity will

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Speaker 2: be restored. No one has destroyed an economy quicker than

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Speaker 2: Luxon and his crew have known nothing. And as it

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Speaker 2: was pointed out in this thing from Peter Goodfellow, very

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Speaker 3: Absolutely two extremes there, Simon, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 7: Not too bad, guys. I just think some people have

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Speaker 7: got a real short memory. And I've voted labor too,

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Speaker 7: and I'm so so ashamed. During that large term of

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Speaker 7: basically people forget that. National and the Coalition have had

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Speaker 7: They've had to undo the damage. And actually they knew

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Speaker 7: it was time to pay the piper. And I went

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Speaker 7: the global financial crisis, and I've voted conservative part of

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Speaker 7: that because I actually thought they would have though they

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Speaker 7: that there was. The piper had to be paid. It

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Speaker 7: have to have a little bit of austerity. I wish

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Speaker 7: it'd come to an end soon, but it had to happen.

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Speaker 2: If this is if that is true that there, you

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Speaker 2: know what you're saying there. Do you think National is

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Speaker 2: failing to get that message across or is it just

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Speaker 2: Simon and I do, and Tyler does, and they just go, hey,

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Speaker 2: right now things aren't going so well. That's the current

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's looking for those first seeds. And what Christopher

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Speaker 7: Luxeen does need to do, and I'll be his critic

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Speaker 7: here or advisor, is not go after the John Key

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Speaker 7: legacy who was all economy economy and the rockstar economy,

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Speaker 7: have a little eye on social development and the poorer

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Speaker 7: it into small businesses that then actually produce something. Because

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Speaker 2: What kind of policies do you think could be put

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Speaker 7: Signon, okay, Lowering interest rates which are a bit nervous

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Speaker 7: housing market. There's many tools they can use, including capital

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Speaker 7: gains tax. I lived in the UK. I've still got

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Speaker 7: a property over there. If I sold it, I'm playing

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Speaker 7: capital gains tax on the profit I make, not the

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Speaker 7: on the profit that you make and stare some money

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Speaker 7: away from the housing market. If it goes away from

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Speaker 7: should have happened during COVID. It was supposed to go

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Speaker 2: Do you think that a national government, though, could be

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Speaker 7: I. I truly think they'll be re elected anyway, because

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Speaker 7: I think a multitude of New Zealand, like myself, haven't

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Speaker 7: don't have a problem with that because Chris Hopkins. You know,

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Speaker 7: I was looking at Chris Luxen this morning and I

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Speaker 7: liked what.

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Speaker 4: I heard of them.

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Speaker 7: And I'm not and I'm not in love with him,

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Speaker 7: but I liked what I heard of him. He is

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Speaker 7: like down to priss tacks. The next time I see

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Speaker 7: Chris Luxon eating a pie for the publicity, I want

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Speaker 7: to throw up.

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Speaker 3: It's a fair enough. There is a lot of pie

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Speaker 3: eating and sausage rolly eating in politics in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: it's for sure. But looking ahead to the election time

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Speaker 3: and there's a couple of things that National have announced

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, we all kind of know that the retirement

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Speaker 7: And if you still want your retirement age in twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're right there, Simon. But will they get

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Speaker 7: I think if they said they'll get rid of it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said Simon, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: This text says Chris Bishop and charge Luxe and Finance minister,

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Speaker 2: and they will romp home. And this Texas says the

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: One of what media that guys?

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Speaker 3: It can't be too many outs that guy a gal

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Speaker 3: is consuming? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 1: You putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic

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Speaker 8: Christmal Luction's with us fifteen percent. You've said on the

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Speaker 2: You lose because you are well, we've.

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Speaker 9: Got a new minimum standard for those countries that are

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Speaker 8: Tim Grocers, whould you stand zero chants of getting the

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Speaker 10: Is you right?

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Speaker 9: I think it's pretty unlikely present. It's pretty fixed in

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Speaker 8: So you are hand on heart telling us you could

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Speaker 9: I think we had very good engagement at official ministerial level.

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Speaker 9: This was a lump decision made pretty last minute. All

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about the election.

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Speaker 3: What are the biggest threats to National and its chances

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Speaker 3: of reelection? Pete, Peter excuse me, good Fellow the format

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Speaker 3: he's just retired former chair of the board, says that

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Speaker 3: the economy is the biggest threat to the National Party.

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Speaker 3: What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Is says I agree. The media is mainly pro National.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if she's watched one news she's one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest.

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Speaker 3: Do we want to go down the list? I may

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Speaker 3: come on, dear text.

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Speaker 2: I would probably describe the state radio station as being

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Speaker 11: Yeah, hi, guys, do you think that Luxe will get

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Speaker 11: rolled before the election, because I don't think he will.

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Speaker 11: I think I'll stick with them.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Peter Goodfellow seems to think it's a good idea to

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Speaker 2: keep to keep him on, and points out that his

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Speaker 2: the previous problems that National has had and that can't

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Speaker 2: be overlooked, right because it's one thing having a super

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Speaker 2: popular leader, but if you've an absolute turmoil and everyone's

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Speaker 2: trying to stab each other in the back, that's not

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Speaker 2: a very great good way to get elected either.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, what about you, Tyler, do you think he will

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Speaker 11: get rolled?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Forty months out from the election, give or take. So

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Speaker 3: I think he'll stay with it, And I don't know

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Speaker 3: So that's always the big question, right is by large,

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Speaker 3: I think he's doing a pretty good job. To remember,

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Speaker 3: he's got coalition parties that he's working together with and

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Speaker 3: that's not an easy task for anybody.

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Speaker 2: Well, here you go, Dallas. This text just came through

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Speaker 2: as you're saying that Erica Stanford is the new National

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Speaker 2: leader and they will win hands down. Chris Luxon is

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Speaker 2: a nice guy and very competent, but no people appeal

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Speaker 2: and lacks inspiration as a political leader. Would do well

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Speaker 2: as the Finance minister, though that's the text. Yes, is

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Speaker 2: that as Chris Bishop and charged Luckson as a finance minister?

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 6: Dallis?

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Speaker 11: I love Erica Stanford. I think she's doing great things

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Speaker 11: in education. But I'll keep her there because because of that.

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Speaker 11: You know, she's doing a great job in education, I think,

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Speaker 11: so I would, well, why would you move her from

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 11: And people have said, you know, she's a bit short

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Speaker 11: emotionals and arms.

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Speaker 6: And a bit short.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, I can't see her, but I think she's

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Speaker 11: the best thing they've got going for them.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: But their weakness, their weakness of National Party is Act

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Speaker 11: and New inter First, they gave away too much power,

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Speaker 11: reaping their results ever since. I think, you know, it's

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Speaker 11: just like almost trumpions, the way they've pushed through things

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Speaker 11: and the dead of night without consultation, pushed through these

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Speaker 11: you know, like executive orders, almost, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean Labor did a lot of that

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Speaker 2: as well, though, didn't they. But if you look at

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Speaker 2: So you say that act in New Zealand first are

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean if you look at Labor and National

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Speaker 2: Before the previous lection that I asked, uh, Chippy, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're very, very, very very different. But then I don't know,

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Speaker 2: are you that different? I mean, you're not as different

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Speaker 11: No, we we we think so more different only because

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Speaker 2: But then again, but then again, you know it might

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Speaker 2: be the case that both sides actually that's part of

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Speaker 2: a way that they kind of secretly don't mind, if

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. If they if there was

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Speaker 2: just if it was first past the post, then those

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they would, but wouldn't be the extremes you know

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Speaker 6: I mean m P.

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Speaker 11: You know it's got good points as well. We discussed

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if m MPs is heightened by social media,

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Speaker 2: and you know the polarization of that. You know, m

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that you want that TV one like

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Speaker 5: Mike is sure.

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Speaker 3: Dallaus we just lost to Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Jallus was taken down by the deep state.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, some fair points, but I you know, to

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Speaker 3: I mean it's clearly wrong. Many many polls would show

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Speaker 2: If you don't have cohesion as a nation, New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is doomed. The people who wax lyrical about labour need

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Speaker 2: to take off their pink tinted glasses, think like growing

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Speaker 2: harder before there is a dawn of prosperity. Labor voters

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Speaker 2: should have a look at the businesses that are closing daily,

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Speaker 2: the people that are leaving this once great country and droves,

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Speaker 2: and give this government a helping hand instead of hitching

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Speaker 3: Good text.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I guess the people who are also

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call what is the biggest threat to national all?

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Speaker 3: Being re elected? What are the big weaknesses And if

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Speaker 3: the threats to labor, you more than welcome. Oh eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully Dallas is alright. I just got cut off there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get them back. We'll get them back. Glatori's

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Speaker 3: all right, yeah, yeah, just off here. It is being

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Speaker 2: I think the deep state took him down.

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Speaker 15: Youth Talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis is

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Speaker 15: no trouble with the Blue Bubble. University's New Zealand's giving

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Speaker 15: the tick of approval for now to a proposal to

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Speaker 15: scrap NCEEA for a literacy and numerous Sea test and

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Speaker 15: Level one and education certificates for levels two and three.

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Speaker 15: Chief Executive Chris Wheeland says the changes provide better structure

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Speaker 15: of vocational pathways. A Youth Homelessness Collective says successive governments

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Speaker 15: Auckland Transports has people incorrectly find despite displaying mobility, parking

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Speaker 15: research suggests people with ADHD who fidget may be helping

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. And we are talking about

448
00:21:48,733 --> 00:21:51,453
Speaker 3: the biggest threats to the reelection of the National Party.

449
00:21:51,573 --> 00:21:55,013
Speaker 3: It's former head of the National Party Board, Peter Goodfellow.

450
00:21:55,053 --> 00:21:57,532
Speaker 3: He has retired over the weekend, but he said to

451
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Speaker 3: The Herald that the biggest threat is the state of

452
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Speaker 3: the economy.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right to quote the man. Oh no, oh no,

454
00:22:05,653 --> 00:22:08,053
Speaker 2: here we go to quote the man. Things that can

455
00:22:08,133 --> 00:22:10,893
Speaker 2: hit you from left field at economic shops, socks and

456
00:22:10,933 --> 00:22:13,453
Speaker 2: trade wars, both of which are definitely in play right now.

457
00:22:13,613 --> 00:22:14,213
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

458
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Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing with New Zealand. We are

459
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Speaker 2: just a little paper boat on berg Sea's.

460
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very nicely said eight hundred and eighty ten eighties

461
00:22:21,733 --> 00:22:22,292
Speaker 3: and number to call.

462
00:22:22,453 --> 00:22:24,733
Speaker 2: Luxon is so refreshing as a leader, he trusts his

463
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Speaker 2: colleagues to do their work and doesn't have to be

464
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:29,813
Speaker 2: the face of everything like de Cinda did. Thank god

465
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Speaker 2: those look at me just in the days have gone,

466
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Speaker 2: says this Texter Wayne. Welcome to the show, Paddy matt Day, a.

467
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Speaker 6: Great, great game, you guys, It's really good. Were out

468
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Speaker 6: there will be wanting to hear what you guys have got,

469
00:22:42,773 --> 00:22:47,613
Speaker 6: saying a re electing National Well, at the end of

470
00:22:47,693 --> 00:22:49,653
Speaker 6: the day, I suppose you sit down here and think, well,

471
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Speaker 6: I've got Chris Luxon, I've got David Seymour, and I've

472
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Speaker 6: got Winston Peters. Okay. Then I flipped the page and

473
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Speaker 6: I've got Chris Hopkins, and I've got the Green Party

474
00:23:03,053 --> 00:23:06,053
Speaker 6: and then I've got Mary Party. Ah well, okay, what

475
00:23:06,413 --> 00:23:09,093
Speaker 6: which way do I go? And And as far as

476
00:23:09,173 --> 00:23:14,773
Speaker 6: like the economy, the National Party had been have had

477
00:23:14,773 --> 00:23:21,493
Speaker 6: ministers overseas doing trade things they've had. Uh, the guys,

478
00:23:21,813 --> 00:23:24,493
Speaker 6: the tradement is over in the States now, trying to sort

479
00:23:24,533 --> 00:23:27,733
Speaker 6: out the tariff, maybe demon traveling around the world, building

480
00:23:27,813 --> 00:23:33,133
Speaker 6: up some way of getting the people know where we are.

481
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Speaker 6: And and like the media, well, you can't really get

482
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Speaker 6: on to the media because I mean to say what

483
00:23:39,933 --> 00:23:42,973
Speaker 6: I want to be. Sorry, GIVI and Z. You've got

484
00:23:43,893 --> 00:23:49,133
Speaker 6: mighty Sherman, You've got better collars. They're just so Jack

485
00:23:49,213 --> 00:23:51,213
Speaker 6: claimer is probably one of the biggest ones now. He's

486
00:23:51,253 --> 00:23:53,973
Speaker 6: really gone out of his way and they are just

487
00:23:53,653 --> 00:23:58,613
Speaker 6: they just nothing is good from from them for for national.

488
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Speaker 2: I just do you think do you think if it

489
00:24:00,453 --> 00:24:02,693
Speaker 2: was the opposite, do you think it's just that they

490
00:24:02,693 --> 00:24:05,532
Speaker 2: are going after the current government because the government is

491
00:24:05,853 --> 00:24:08,533
Speaker 2: putting things up to criticize. What do you say think

492
00:24:08,573 --> 00:24:14,133
Speaker 2: if that was the other side and they'd be going easier.

493
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Speaker 6: I think it's just the fact that they're they're they're

494
00:24:17,653 --> 00:24:21,413
Speaker 6: anti national or they're they're lefties. Because at the end

495
00:24:21,453 --> 00:24:23,893
Speaker 6: of the day, I sit down, I watched the Parliament

496
00:24:24,013 --> 00:24:26,253
Speaker 6: and I also watched Q and A on a Sunday,

497
00:24:26,733 --> 00:24:30,493
Speaker 6: and like just lately now we've had Mikey Sherman's taken

498
00:24:30,533 --> 00:24:33,253
Speaker 6: over from Jack Dame. That doesn't help an you are

499
00:24:33,893 --> 00:24:37,933
Speaker 6: and they just got nothing to be the Collins that

500
00:24:38,013 --> 00:24:41,453
Speaker 6: they don't even put things in about what National have done,

501
00:24:41,973 --> 00:24:44,573
Speaker 6: but they'll put a they'll put a punt or something

502
00:24:44,933 --> 00:24:48,093
Speaker 6: that Crusiflicans has said. You look on the news at

503
00:24:48,133 --> 00:24:50,653
Speaker 6: my time, you have ever see anything from National, But

504
00:24:50,813 --> 00:24:55,613
Speaker 6: you'll also see the reporters going up to the Labor,

505
00:24:57,373 --> 00:24:59,853
Speaker 6: the Greens that the Queens that just shooting themselves as

506
00:24:59,893 --> 00:25:02,733
Speaker 6: the football, all their things that they're doing. And of

507
00:25:02,773 --> 00:25:05,133
Speaker 6: course now Mary Party, you haven't even paid all their

508
00:25:05,173 --> 00:25:07,413
Speaker 6: fees and funds from John tam Eery.

509
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of of people agree with what you're

510
00:25:09,293 --> 00:25:10,853
Speaker 3: saying the same way. I think. You know, if you

511
00:25:10,933 --> 00:25:15,013
Speaker 3: look realistically at labor parties, chances their best bet is

512
00:25:15,053 --> 00:25:17,453
Speaker 3: probably trying to do a deal with New Zealand first, right,

513
00:25:17,653 --> 00:25:19,613
Speaker 3: and when some Peter's has already said he won't work

514
00:25:19,613 --> 00:25:22,133
Speaker 3: with a Labor party led by Chris Hopkins, So that

515
00:25:22,173 --> 00:25:24,253
Speaker 3: doesn't bode well if Chris Hipkins is still the leader.

516
00:25:25,013 --> 00:25:27,773
Speaker 3: But in general, you can can you understand the sense

517
00:25:27,813 --> 00:25:31,573
Speaker 3: of frustration out there from traditional National voters that change

518
00:25:31,653 --> 00:25:34,373
Speaker 3: isn't happening fast enough that they still feel like they're

519
00:25:34,373 --> 00:25:37,253
Speaker 3: going backwards a little bit when these promises were made

520
00:25:37,293 --> 00:25:39,013
Speaker 3: that we're going to get out of these doldrums. Now

521
00:25:39,373 --> 00:25:40,893
Speaker 3: there's a good argument there that a lot of the

522
00:25:40,893 --> 00:25:43,693
Speaker 3: stuff is outside of the control of the National Party,

523
00:25:43,773 --> 00:25:45,733
Speaker 3: but there's still some fair questions there to get a

524
00:25:45,813 --> 00:25:46,533
Speaker 3: move on, right.

525
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, You've got you've got Shane Jones driving around

526
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Speaker 6: the West Coast doing all this mining, draw baby drill,

527
00:25:54,013 --> 00:25:56,893
Speaker 6: and then you've got Winston Peters and them and Shane

528
00:25:57,933 --> 00:26:01,933
Speaker 6: filling holes four hundred plus people and they're just coming.

529
00:26:02,013 --> 00:26:05,532
Speaker 6: They're just getting so much stronger, and they're probably going

530
00:26:05,573 --> 00:26:09,373
Speaker 6: to pour a lot of the National Party votes will

531
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Speaker 6: probably turn away to maybe uh New Zealand first. I

532
00:26:13,293 --> 00:26:15,533
Speaker 6: don't think they're going to hand. They might pick up there,

533
00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:17,453
Speaker 6: but hey, David Siema not.

534
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Speaker 16: Doing things any any any good at the moment Easters.

535
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Speaker 16: It's hard to say where he's going really, But yeah,

536
00:26:25,093 --> 00:26:29,173
Speaker 16: I just I'm a national support but initial support for

537
00:26:29,253 --> 00:26:32,493
Speaker 16: many years, and my first started there. My dad was

538
00:26:32,493 --> 00:26:36,893
Speaker 16: a navy man and of course he was he bore

539
00:26:36,973 --> 00:26:40,133
Speaker 16: a maker and had all the engineering degrees and stuff,

540
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Speaker 16: and he was labor and because I was at that

541
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Speaker 16: age where I never never thought of anything else, and

542
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Speaker 16: then you've become a union galget of course, you know

543
00:26:48,453 --> 00:26:52,133
Speaker 16: sort of I sort of followed labor, but uh those

544
00:26:52,213 --> 00:26:55,173
Speaker 16: days are gone now. But I mean, it's it's a

545
00:26:55,213 --> 00:26:56,453
Speaker 16: it's a rock and a hard place.

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you call one yep, some good

547
00:26:59,253 --> 00:27:02,293
Speaker 2: thoughts there. Hey, sorry to hear your year, but who's

548
00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:05,453
Speaker 2: in charge now? Comment Matt. You are influencing public opinion,

549
00:27:05,493 --> 00:27:07,213
Speaker 2: mostly in a positive way, but it's unfear to build

550
00:27:07,213 --> 00:27:10,053
Speaker 2: expectations for instant gramification. When you jump on your brakes,

551
00:27:10,093 --> 00:27:12,413
Speaker 2: how long does it take for your car to stop?

552
00:27:12,453 --> 00:27:14,693
Speaker 2: With a thought? Cheers? Yeah, But I mean I just

553
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:17,893
Speaker 2: asked the question. And I think there is definitely a

554
00:27:17,933 --> 00:27:20,053
Speaker 2: segment of a huge segment of the population of New

555
00:27:20,173 --> 00:27:24,173
Speaker 2: Zealand that don't follow politics to the level that many

556
00:27:24,213 --> 00:27:28,093
Speaker 2: people that listen to Newstalk ZEDB or host Newstalk ZEDB do.

557
00:27:28,773 --> 00:27:32,093
Speaker 2: And so when you're just working at your job and

558
00:27:32,213 --> 00:27:34,532
Speaker 2: you see a business go out or that you that

559
00:27:34,613 --> 00:27:37,893
Speaker 2: you frequent, you know, some people aren't seeing the totality.

560
00:27:38,213 --> 00:27:41,533
Speaker 2: And as it has happened so many times in the past,

561
00:27:41,613 --> 00:27:43,253
Speaker 2: they blame who's currently in charge.

562
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Speaker 4: They do.

563
00:27:43,733 --> 00:27:49,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, whether that's fear or whether you know, whether anything

564
00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:52,773
Speaker 2: could be different, They just go, oh, that place is

565
00:27:52,773 --> 00:27:54,773
Speaker 2: out of business. It must be that the country is

566
00:27:54,773 --> 00:27:56,093
Speaker 2: not going in the right direction.

567
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Speaker 3: Human nature, isn't it For a lot of people out there, Absolutely,

568
00:27:58,533 --> 00:27:59,053
Speaker 3: it is a.

569
00:27:58,973 --> 00:28:00,773
Speaker 2: Lot of people don't follow the ebbs and flows.

570
00:28:00,973 --> 00:28:03,293
Speaker 3: Yep, nicely said, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

571
00:28:03,333 --> 00:28:05,173
Speaker 3: is the number to call. What is the biggest threat

572
00:28:05,213 --> 00:28:07,613
Speaker 3: to national being re elected? Love to hear your thoughts.

573
00:28:07,613 --> 00:28:08,613
Speaker 3: It's nineteen too.

574
00:28:09,493 --> 00:28:12,973
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

575
00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:17,053
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

576
00:28:17,053 --> 00:28:17,733
Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

577
00:28:17,973 --> 00:28:20,093
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, shee what is the biggest threat to

578
00:28:20,253 --> 00:28:23,053
Speaker 3: national being re elected next year? Eight hundred and eighty

579
00:28:23,093 --> 00:28:24,013
Speaker 3: ten eighties and I'm gonna call.

580
00:28:24,093 --> 00:28:26,133
Speaker 2: I think some people that listen to the show don't

581
00:28:26,173 --> 00:28:29,893
Speaker 2: understand that you when you read texts out, you're reading

582
00:28:29,933 --> 00:28:34,853
Speaker 2: people's opinions out. It's not sick people texting me that

583
00:28:35,053 --> 00:28:38,053
Speaker 2: it's my opinion because I've read a text out. That's

584
00:28:38,093 --> 00:28:39,973
Speaker 2: not how it works. We read a text, it's what's

585
00:28:39,973 --> 00:28:42,453
Speaker 2: coming from someone else. And we share the opinions with

586
00:28:42,493 --> 00:28:44,413
Speaker 2: people and we try and even them up a little

587
00:28:44,413 --> 00:28:45,693
Speaker 2: bit here and there exactly.

588
00:28:45,813 --> 00:28:48,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of texts and opinions that come through,

589
00:28:48,253 --> 00:28:49,693
Speaker 3: and we try to get to as many as possible.

590
00:28:50,373 --> 00:28:52,653
Speaker 2: There, Matt, you and Mikey Schuman have gone to the

591
00:28:52,693 --> 00:28:53,613
Speaker 2: same spin school.

592
00:28:53,653 --> 00:28:56,133
Speaker 3: Oh my god, do you.

593
00:28:56,173 --> 00:28:59,533
Speaker 2: Know that's fair enough? People don't know how it works. Okay,

594
00:28:59,573 --> 00:29:02,933
Speaker 2: So people call in with their opinions, people texting with

595
00:29:02,933 --> 00:29:06,173
Speaker 2: their opinions. We read the text out, you know, and

596
00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:08,453
Speaker 2: some of the opinions may you agree with and they

597
00:29:08,653 --> 00:29:13,973
Speaker 2: you may not. Yeah, but read it out doesn't mean

598
00:29:14,013 --> 00:29:15,213
Speaker 2: it's my opinion exactly.

599
00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:17,813
Speaker 3: Okay, here to listen. There we go.

600
00:29:19,453 --> 00:29:24,533
Speaker 2: Anyway, bless everyone, love you all. Welcome to the show.

601
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:26,973
Speaker 2: Tom on my phone doesn't my phone doesn't work, so

602
00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:28,013
Speaker 2: I can't turn this corse.

603
00:29:28,173 --> 00:29:30,493
Speaker 3: Tom is waiting with baited breath, but we're having some isshoes.

604
00:29:30,533 --> 00:29:33,533
Speaker 2: There we go, Sorry, Tom, my phone, my phone didn't work,

605
00:29:33,573 --> 00:29:36,013
Speaker 2: so I left your hanging. Welcome to show your thoughts.

606
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Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Jens. Hey, Yeah, I reckon all the all

607
00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:42,773
Speaker 14: the keywis that are running at the out the door

608
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,613
Speaker 14: for OZI would be National's biggest worry because there'd be

609
00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:51,973
Speaker 14: they definitely would be national voters, able bodied people on

610
00:29:52,013 --> 00:29:55,613
Speaker 14: the move. So yeah, and that's that's a lot of

611
00:29:55,613 --> 00:29:58,613
Speaker 14: people that you're losing. I'd say it be a lot

612
00:29:58,693 --> 00:30:02,813
Speaker 14: less labor people because they they wouldn't be as I

613
00:30:02,853 --> 00:30:08,733
Speaker 14: don't think as as well, where I say entrepreneurial make

614
00:30:08,773 --> 00:30:09,093
Speaker 14: the move.

615
00:30:09,213 --> 00:30:11,093
Speaker 2: It'll be interested to get some stats on that, wouldn't

616
00:30:11,133 --> 00:30:13,933
Speaker 2: it so? And I wonder if the numbers are enough

617
00:30:13,973 --> 00:30:17,453
Speaker 2: to affect the outcome of election. But yeah, who's who

618
00:30:17,613 --> 00:30:21,173
Speaker 2: who's leaving more? Yeah, I don't. I don't have any

619
00:30:21,173 --> 00:30:24,293
Speaker 2: stats on that, but interesting. I mean, when the numbers

620
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:26,333
Speaker 2: get up as high as they are, you would think

621
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Speaker 2: it would have some effect on the elections.

622
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Speaker 14: That's a big voter base, predominantly national voters. I don't

623
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Speaker 14: think Luxin's must chop anyway, minde. I don't think we've

624
00:30:38,853 --> 00:30:41,493
Speaker 14: had much chop in prime ministers and some Helen Clark,

625
00:30:41,533 --> 00:30:45,533
Speaker 14: to be honest, so was key was all very all,

626
00:30:45,613 --> 00:30:51,093
Speaker 14: very nice, nice being the main word. He just he

627
00:30:51,253 --> 00:30:55,813
Speaker 14: let house prices rip through the roof, immigration out of control.

628
00:30:56,853 --> 00:31:02,373
Speaker 14: And I think Luxon's key light. And as for the

629
00:31:02,453 --> 00:31:05,893
Speaker 14: last one, we had. It's yeah, enough said on that one.

630
00:31:06,853 --> 00:31:08,693
Speaker 2: Is there anyone that you would like to see as

631
00:31:08,693 --> 00:31:11,653
Speaker 2: a leader? Is anyone in the current crop that stands

632
00:31:11,653 --> 00:31:14,613
Speaker 2: out to you as being someone inspirational?

633
00:31:15,733 --> 00:31:16,093
Speaker 14: Whinnie?

634
00:31:18,973 --> 00:31:21,173
Speaker 2: It seems to be rising rapidly in the polls Once

635
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:22,093
Speaker 2: Ston Peter's.

636
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:23,453
Speaker 3: He's one of the job for a long time.

637
00:31:23,453 --> 00:31:27,733
Speaker 14: I think, yeah, yeah, not being just the deputy, he'd

638
00:31:27,813 --> 00:31:31,893
Speaker 14: let the he'd like the main role for surely.

639
00:31:31,053 --> 00:31:33,093
Speaker 2: He's got three times. It's quite amazing.

640
00:31:33,173 --> 00:31:39,293
Speaker 14: Yeah, I honestly don't see a lot of national Yeah,

641
00:31:39,293 --> 00:31:47,253
Speaker 14: it's quite probably the police minister Mark Mitchell. Yeah, he

642
00:31:47,333 --> 00:31:51,253
Speaker 14: seems to have. He seems to be I'm sick of

643
00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,293
Speaker 14: the nice of these all the nice nice sort of

644
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:56,733
Speaker 14: carry on. Sometimes you're gonna get tough and you're going

645
00:31:56,773 --> 00:31:58,413
Speaker 14: to put the big boy pens on and we haven't

646
00:31:58,413 --> 00:31:58,973
Speaker 14: had that.

647
00:31:59,013 --> 00:32:01,693
Speaker 2: It's interesting for a political party, isn't it, Tom, Because

648
00:32:01,773 --> 00:32:04,733
Speaker 2: you can get movements based around a super charismatic leader.

649
00:32:04,733 --> 00:32:07,053
Speaker 2: And you might say that that's the case with miss First,

650
00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:09,733
Speaker 2: right with Once. But what if your party is doing

651
00:32:09,773 --> 00:32:11,613
Speaker 2: the right thing but just doesn't happen to be in

652
00:32:11,613 --> 00:32:15,293
Speaker 2: a cycle where they've got that inspirational leader.

653
00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:17,853
Speaker 14: Don't disagree, and they've got a hell of a hell

654
00:32:17,893 --> 00:32:21,813
Speaker 14: of a road, d'hoe. But after the if they get

655
00:32:21,853 --> 00:32:24,093
Speaker 14: re elected, you can't blame the other lot anymore. But

656
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Speaker 14: in the cycle yep, by all means right, So you.

657
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Speaker 2: Get three three years blaming the other lot, and then

658
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Speaker 2: then it's your your, your lot.

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Speaker 14: Yep, it's your your Yeah, it's your bad. And if

660
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Speaker 14: you had re elected others, I tell her what I've

661
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Speaker 14: said said, either lock your back and again New Zealanders, Yeah,

662
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Speaker 14: I'll be going to AUSI.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree that. A lot of people, though, will

664
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Speaker 2: just see the circumstance as it is for them right

665
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Speaker 2: now and and vote like that. So so and this

666
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Speaker 2: the economy is going well when the elections rolls around,

667
00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:01,493
Speaker 2: then nationals in trouble. If it is going well, then

668
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:03,733
Speaker 2: then they're not because people aren't seeing the totality of it.

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Speaker 2: They're seeing how what they're experiencing day to day.

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Speaker 14: Or it took the smell for the show up six years,

671
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Speaker 14: so it's got a leg I think of three years

672
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Speaker 14: of a term, I mean, and if New Zealand's are

673
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Speaker 14: that short sighted, then God help us all to a

674
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Speaker 14: certain extent.

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Speaker 3: So be honest Tom, Thank you very much for giving

676
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Speaker 3: us a buzz. Appreciate your thoughts. Oh eight hundred eighty

677
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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: The sexes is Unfortunately one cannot trust Winston. He could

679
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Speaker 2: quite easily go with labor, so he's he's ruled outhippy,

680
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Speaker 2: but he hasn't ruled out labor exactly.

681
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Speaker 3: Very crafty. All right, we're gonna play some messages, but

682
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Speaker 3: when we come back, we've got plenty of calls to

683
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Speaker 3: get to. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

684
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Speaker 3: the number to call. Eleven to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

687
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Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: B news talks.

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Speaker 12: There be.

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Speaker 3: It is nine to two full lines and.

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Speaker 2: Thousands of thousands of texts coming through, So I'll just

692
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Speaker 2: try and grab this one as it whips past my monitor.

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Speaker 2: It's not what the national national base think because they're unhappy.

694
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Speaker 2: They're not going to jump to label it's a labor.

695
00:34:07,573 --> 00:34:09,853
Speaker 2: It's the people in the who will pay attention weeks

696
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Speaker 2: out from the election. But frankly, Luxon is a failure

697
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Speaker 2: of your leader of a leader. I was considering national

698
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three and I'm glad I didn't. He's

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Speaker 2: the result of a rush rushed Boshed watched leadership change

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Speaker 2: from Collins. There you go. What does he stand for

701
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Speaker 2: except for growth? Well, a lot of people would say

702
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Speaker 2: standing for growth is probably the main thing that a

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Speaker 2: government should That's what we would do, Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 2: The biggest risk for this government is stupid people. We're

705
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Speaker 2: a country based on welfare. Now that's from Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for those texts. Trevor, how are you?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 17: You guys?

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Speaker 4: Gooday?

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Speaker 18: Late?

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Speaker 3: Now, what's your take on this one?

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Speaker 17: No, well, I think Nashville will give back. This coalation

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Speaker 17: will give back. But you know the biggest thing that

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Speaker 17: would be helping the what the other team will put

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Speaker 17: together a coalition. I mean, we're all learning about this coalition.

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Speaker 17: But I mean the Greens, I mean labels definitely need

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Speaker 17: a lease of Greens a niche and it just will

718
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Speaker 17: appears power aggressive, says what they want on the clost for.

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Speaker 17: But being the co leader now, I think they'll be

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Speaker 17: more demanding. I mean that last guy like Mark Pritchell,

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Speaker 17: imagine if their bottom line for Agrees was Temoth and

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Speaker 17: Paul Minister of Police. Yeah, it's a hard you will

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Speaker 17: I don't have a job for a month because she

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Speaker 17: wants to bolish the police. She actually says that people

725
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Speaker 17: feel safer in Willington when more members are again members

726
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Speaker 17: of walking.

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Speaker 6: Down the road in police and you know, cost full.

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Speaker 17: But she'll be the Minister of Finance. She thinks straight

729
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Speaker 17: away all benefisheries should be given an extra two hundred

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Speaker 17: and fifty dollars a week now, straight away. So you know,

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Speaker 17: you've just got to think. And I'm not a I't

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Speaker 17: even mentioned party Mary yet, so it's I mean, we've

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Speaker 17: remained about this corlation. But you just imagine the Greens

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Speaker 17: and Labor, I mean Labor will meet at least the Green,

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Speaker 17: at least the Green.

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Speaker 2: So do you think of the polls that do you

737
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Speaker 2: think the polls that we're seeing now, Trevor are are wrong?

738
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Speaker 2: Because if you look at the Greens and nearly always

739
00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:04,853
Speaker 2: around around ten percent, aren't they and Labor are around

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00:36:04,933 --> 00:36:09,533
Speaker 2: thirty thirty two thirty thirty three the last polls we

741
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Speaker 2: saw that the coalition government was up on the other side.

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Speaker 2: But do you think things will change when it actually

743
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Speaker 2: gets to go into the polls, people go, hang on

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Speaker 2: a minute. It's all very well saying this when someone

745
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Speaker 2: rings me up, but let's have a think about this,

746
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Speaker 2: because you know, going back to what I said before,

747
00:36:23,093 --> 00:36:26,093
Speaker 2: most people don't think about politics much. Yeah, and probably

748
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Speaker 2: on the same level that people like you and I do, Trevor,

749
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Speaker 2: so that just at the election they might look at

750
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Speaker 2: it a bit closer.

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Speaker 17: And I do think it's been a bit sluggish. But

752
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Speaker 17: I do think by Nick Lenchen, some of these things

753
00:36:38,973 --> 00:36:41,373
Speaker 17: that Nation will put on, all these cheaper boarding materials,

754
00:36:41,453 --> 00:36:43,933
Speaker 17: will be a massive change to the market, and I

755
00:36:44,013 --> 00:36:46,173
Speaker 17: think things like that will help us. But it's the

756
00:36:46,253 --> 00:36:49,213
Speaker 17: coalition of the labor, as I say, it greened the

757
00:36:49,293 --> 00:36:50,652
Speaker 17: dangerous around a country.

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Speaker 3: Yep, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Trev A lot of people that are texting and agree

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Speaker 2: with you, Trevor. Yeah, we've got time for Jeremy. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Good name. Jen.

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Speaker 19: I think you're really a caller at the nail on

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Speaker 19: the head when she said there's a lot of sick

765
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Speaker 19: people in New Zealand, and I think people don't have

766
00:37:08,013 --> 00:37:11,333
Speaker 19: a proper for understanding that it's going to take a

767
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:14,533
Speaker 19: long time in the Titanic from the previous damage that

768
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Speaker 19: that last government did, and until they actually get a

769
00:37:18,013 --> 00:37:21,293
Speaker 19: proper handle and unwrap all the stinky, dirty Christmas presents

770
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Speaker 19: that are left in every knock and cranny of this country.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to move forward until we.

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Speaker 19: Get a right grip on what has actually been spent

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Speaker 19: in this country.

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Speaker 3: Sadly isn't that though, Politics, Jeremy is that people do

775
00:37:34,493 --> 00:37:37,133
Speaker 3: not have patients out there on the electorate. They want change,

776
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Speaker 3: and they want it quickly. And some would argue they've

777
00:37:39,373 --> 00:37:41,692
Speaker 3: been somewhat patient for the last eighteen months. But if

778
00:37:41,733 --> 00:37:44,172
Speaker 3: they don't get it in fourteen months, National were really

779
00:37:44,213 --> 00:37:46,692
Speaker 3: in trouble. And that's just the reality. I agree with you,

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Speaker 3: But that's the reality of most people that vote.

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Speaker 19: Well, it is, but that's what I come back to.

782
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Speaker 19: There's a lot of uneducated people in this country. They

783
00:37:53,533 --> 00:37:57,933
Speaker 19: want answers yesterday rather than actually knowing what hardyard looks like.

784
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Speaker 2: But that is the electric So so if you're a

785
00:38:00,093 --> 00:38:02,853
Speaker 2: political party, you've got to do the business of running

786
00:38:03,293 --> 00:38:05,733
Speaker 2: the country, but you've also got to do the business

787
00:38:05,773 --> 00:38:09,973
Speaker 2: of selling how you're running the country. So do you

788
00:38:10,013 --> 00:38:12,133
Speaker 2: think National are doing a good enough job of selling

789
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Speaker 2: what they're doing to the people in a way that

790
00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:19,212
Speaker 2: these thick people can understand. Jeremy, Well, I.

791
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Speaker 19: Think people are choosing what they want to hear. And

792
00:38:21,813 --> 00:38:23,493
Speaker 19: you know, it's a little bit like paying your house off.

793
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:25,652
Speaker 19: You can't pay your house off in five years. Most

794
00:38:25,693 --> 00:38:29,053
Speaker 19: people can't anyway. It's just going to take time to

795
00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 19: rebuild and regather what has been spent and damaged in

796
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Speaker 19: this country.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Jeremy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a nice place to leave it, thank you very much.

799
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Speaker 3: And a lot of people would agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think roughly thirty three percent are left and thirty

801
00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:44,613
Speaker 2: percent are right, and thirty three percent.

802
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Speaker 3: Of swingers a lot of swingers.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of swingers, whatever you're into. And we'll

804
00:38:49,653 --> 00:38:52,773
Speaker 2: often vote on one policy and they decide the government.

805
00:38:53,013 --> 00:38:57,133
Speaker 2: It's not a very good system in democracy. It's as

806
00:38:57,173 --> 00:38:59,453
Speaker 2: they say, you know, it's not the greatest system. No,

807
00:39:00,293 --> 00:39:03,973
Speaker 2: it's that was the thing. It's the best system. Yeah,

808
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Speaker 2: it's a terrible system, part from all the rest. That's

809
00:39:06,373 --> 00:39:06,652
Speaker 2: the one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you go, great quote and great, thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for everyone who phoned and called on that. Really

812
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Speaker 3: good coming up after two o'clock we want to talk

813
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Speaker 3: about n CEA big proposals to change it completely, but

814
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Speaker 3: creating new subjects is one of the core parts of

815
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Speaker 3: that proposal. So what should new subjects be introduced into

816
00:39:27,773 --> 00:39:29,533
Speaker 3: our secondary schooes? That is next.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

818
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons us talks.

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Speaker 20: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You're welcome back into the show to

821
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Speaker 3: seven past. Too fantastic to have your company. Now, just

822
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Speaker 3: before we get into the next topic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm just listening to this that men lead

824
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Speaker 2: lives of quiet despiration Henry David Thorau.

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Speaker 21: It seems to me that no matter how good we

826
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Speaker 21: have it, we modern humans make our short time on

827
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Speaker 21: this planet more punished.

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Speaker 2: My audiobook that's just come out today.

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Speaker 3: That is nice, mate, That is nice. This is here

830
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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 21: More only offended, angry or bored go to solutions to

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Speaker 21: these problems, such as.

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Speaker 3: Buying, Oh, this is good stuff, this is good stuff.

834
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Speaker 21: Peering into technology and shoving as much as we can

835
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Speaker 21: into our faces don't seem to be worth it.

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Speaker 3: There we go, So it's out today. Congratulations by the way, mate,

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Speaker 3: because I know there was many, many, many hours in

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Speaker 3: the studio putting that together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So the number one best selling A

840
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Speaker 2: life lest Punishing Thirty Ways to Love Your Life You

841
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Speaker 2: Got came out a year ago as a solid book,

842
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Speaker 2: and it's just come out today because it took me

843
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Speaker 2: a while to record the audiobook. It's come out as

844
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Speaker 2: an audiobook. Wherever you get your audio books, Audible, Spotify,

845
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Speaker 2: Apple Books, wherever you get your audiobooks, it'll be there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, go check it out. Fantastic listen and how good

847
00:40:45,013 --> 00:40:47,213
Speaker 3: dav met Heath himself read that audio book where you

848
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Speaker 3: drive if you're stuck in traffic?

849
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Speaker 2: Too good? Why get me for free between one and

850
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Speaker 2: four when you can pay to listen to me? Exactly?

851
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Speaker 3: How option be?

852
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Speaker 2: It's way better. It's way better on the book than

853
00:41:01,173 --> 00:41:02,293
Speaker 2: this rubbish of Tyler.

854
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Speaker 3: Go check it out. Absolutely right, this topic is going

855
00:41:05,813 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 3: to be great. So we want to have a chat

856
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Speaker 3: about the proposed changes to NCEA. The whole lot, it appears,

857
00:41:11,573 --> 00:41:13,893
Speaker 3: is going to be put on the back burner if

858
00:41:13,933 --> 00:41:19,413
Speaker 3: this proposal goes ahead and establishing a new system. But

859
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Speaker 3: it effectively looks like overall that it is back to

860
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Speaker 3: a similar situation we had before NCA, back to the

861
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Speaker 3: old school certificate situation.

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Speaker 2: Introducing clear marks out of one hundred alongside letter grades

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Speaker 2: A to E to make achievement easier than to understand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a lot of parents like

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Speaker 2: me that were like that part of it. A lot

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Speaker 2: of parents I knew we're having to put report cards

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Speaker 2: and such through chat GPT just to understand them. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and this isn't atually one creating a new subjects and

869
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Speaker 2: standards to support stronger vocational pathways codesigned with industry experts

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Speaker 2: in areas like construction, automotive, and hospitality.

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Speaker 3: That's a big one. So the subjects that they are

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Speaker 3: hoping to introduce into the next cohort as they say

873
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Speaker 3: they're going to get some industry experts to help them

874
00:42:01,213 --> 00:42:02,333
Speaker 3: with that. But that's what we want to have a

875
00:42:02,373 --> 00:42:05,173
Speaker 3: chat about what subjects should they be introducing at the

876
00:42:05,213 --> 00:42:08,773
Speaker 3: secondary school level. I think it's probably harder than to

877
00:42:08,893 --> 00:42:11,293
Speaker 3: zero down on what is going to be the best

878
00:42:11,333 --> 00:42:14,812
Speaker 3: vocational pathways for a lot of students. And arguably they're

879
00:42:14,813 --> 00:42:18,172
Speaker 3: going to focus on construction, automotive, hospitality, but.

880
00:42:18,093 --> 00:42:21,413
Speaker 2: What about AI. Yeah, well that's interesting introducing this is

881
00:42:21,693 --> 00:42:23,933
Speaker 2: this is another big part of it. Introducing a standalone

882
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:29,293
Speaker 2: foundational Skills award at year eleven to recognize literacy and numeracy.

883
00:42:29,733 --> 00:42:34,093
Speaker 2: So making sure that at year eleven that you cross

884
00:42:34,653 --> 00:42:37,053
Speaker 2: the things that you need to be across to succeed.

885
00:42:37,173 --> 00:42:39,613
Speaker 3: That makes sense. Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

886
00:42:39,693 --> 00:42:42,533
Speaker 3: is the number to call. What subjects should be introduced

887
00:42:42,533 --> 00:42:45,212
Speaker 3: at the secondary school level under this new regime. Love

888
00:42:45,253 --> 00:42:47,373
Speaker 3: to hear from you if you're in the education sector,

889
00:42:47,573 --> 00:42:48,973
Speaker 3: really can to have a chat with you. If you're

890
00:42:48,973 --> 00:42:51,893
Speaker 3: a parent student, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

891
00:42:51,933 --> 00:42:54,333
Speaker 3: the number to call. Coming up very shortly, we are

892
00:42:54,373 --> 00:42:56,013
Speaker 3: going to have a chat with Patrick Drumm. Here is

893
00:42:56,053 --> 00:42:59,053
Speaker 3: the headmaster of Mount Albert Grammar School. He is all

894
00:42:59,053 --> 00:43:01,493
Speaker 3: over this and he's going to have some great analysis.

895
00:43:01,613 --> 00:43:03,333
Speaker 3: So we're going to have a chat to him next.

896
00:43:03,453 --> 00:43:05,973
Speaker 3: It is ten past two. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

897
00:43:06,053 --> 00:43:07,213
Speaker 3: Very good Afternoon's.

898
00:43:06,813 --> 00:43:12,813
Speaker 1: You your home of afternoon talk? Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

899
00:43:12,853 --> 00:43:16,333
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

900
00:43:16,453 --> 00:43:19,213
Speaker 2: They'd be very good.

901
00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:21,773
Speaker 3: Afternoon June thirteen past two. So big changes have been

902
00:43:21,813 --> 00:43:25,093
Speaker 3: proposed to replace the current NCEA system with a new

903
00:43:25,173 --> 00:43:28,293
Speaker 3: national qualifications. To chat more about this, we are joined

904
00:43:28,293 --> 00:43:32,613
Speaker 3: by Patrick Drumm, here's the headmaster of Mount Albert Grammar

905
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:35,613
Speaker 3: and joins us on the line. Now, Patrick, very good afternoon.

906
00:43:35,733 --> 00:43:36,293
Speaker 12: Good afternoon.

907
00:43:36,293 --> 00:43:38,453
Speaker 2: How are you. What are your basic thoughts on these

908
00:43:38,453 --> 00:43:41,173
Speaker 2: proposed changes, assume you've had a chance to look at them.

909
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:44,772
Speaker 12: We had a brief chance to scan through them all.

910
00:43:44,813 --> 00:43:46,573
Speaker 12: I was fortunate enough to be present at the actual

911
00:43:46,613 --> 00:43:49,373
Speaker 12: announcement this morning, but quite a bit of information. But look,

912
00:43:49,653 --> 00:43:52,533
Speaker 12: I think overall is a sense of excitement. I suppose

913
00:43:52,573 --> 00:43:56,413
Speaker 12: really that we've we've had a pretty bold decision made

914
00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:59,213
Speaker 12: or announced, let's put it that way. It's been announced

915
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:02,333
Speaker 12: in this consultation to follow, but certainly a feeling that

916
00:44:02,413 --> 00:44:04,853
Speaker 12: this is a really big step in the right direction

917
00:44:04,973 --> 00:44:09,093
Speaker 12: to addressing those concerns that we've heard enough over recent

918
00:44:09,133 --> 00:44:12,893
Speaker 12: times about in CAC. Yeah, pretty exciting amongst myself a

919
00:44:13,013 --> 00:44:13,853
Speaker 12: number of colleagues.

920
00:44:14,133 --> 00:44:18,093
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the standalone Foundational Skills Award

921
00:44:18,493 --> 00:44:19,373
Speaker 2: at year eleven.

922
00:44:20,813 --> 00:44:23,333
Speaker 12: Well, well, I think it's got mirrored on a number

923
00:44:23,373 --> 00:44:27,253
Speaker 12: of levels. Certainly a workload thing for teachers. Just we

924
00:44:27,773 --> 00:44:30,213
Speaker 12: many schools like men A Grammar School had actually done

925
00:44:30,253 --> 00:44:33,613
Speaker 12: away with Level one anyway already and instigated our own,

926
00:44:34,773 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 12: our own basically criculum and assessment at that level to

927
00:44:38,653 --> 00:44:40,973
Speaker 12: mitigate some of the challenges that that staff have been

928
00:44:41,013 --> 00:44:43,573
Speaker 12: facing for a long time. But I think we're wanting

929
00:44:43,613 --> 00:44:46,253
Speaker 12: students to stay right through, ideally to the end of

930
00:44:46,293 --> 00:44:48,533
Speaker 12: year thirteen, but certainly to the end of year twelve

931
00:44:49,133 --> 00:44:53,053
Speaker 12: and to hit your first formal qualification there. I think

932
00:44:53,133 --> 00:44:55,853
Speaker 12: it's called the New Zealand Certificate of Education is the

933
00:44:56,013 --> 00:44:59,693
Speaker 12: proposal there bit of a rejig of names, but to

934
00:44:59,733 --> 00:45:01,692
Speaker 12: hit that at year twelve is an incentive to keep

935
00:45:01,693 --> 00:45:03,813
Speaker 12: students right through to the end of year twelve. I mean,

936
00:45:03,853 --> 00:45:06,973
Speaker 12: it's that makes a lot of sense. We certainly not

937
00:45:07,333 --> 00:45:11,613
Speaker 12: wanting to see students leaving the compulsory education sector too early.

938
00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:14,573
Speaker 12: So I think the Foundational Award gives you a good

939
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:17,613
Speaker 12: solid grounding in literacy and numeracy. So again it's it's

940
00:45:17,613 --> 00:45:21,893
Speaker 12: a precursor in many ways to that senior higher stakes

941
00:45:21,973 --> 00:45:24,813
Speaker 12: qualification following in the years that follow So.

942
00:45:24,773 --> 00:45:28,213
Speaker 2: If you fail the Foundation's Skills at year eleven, do

943
00:45:28,253 --> 00:45:31,292
Speaker 2: you have to repeat or is there a pathway through.

944
00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:33,693
Speaker 12: I think that's all going to have to be you know,

945
00:45:34,613 --> 00:45:38,573
Speaker 12: sorted out in the consultation process. But the Foundation Award,

946
00:45:38,773 --> 00:45:42,613
Speaker 12: I my understanding, is a big focus on literacy and numeracy.

947
00:45:42,933 --> 00:45:45,893
Speaker 12: We've actually bought that in the last year with these

948
00:45:46,013 --> 00:45:50,133
Speaker 12: corequisite standards that students need to reach. Now it's a

949
00:45:50,173 --> 00:45:53,693
Speaker 12: separate exam they've been sitting this year to get n CEA.

950
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:57,173
Speaker 12: At the moment now you need to have passed those

951
00:45:57,493 --> 00:46:00,413
Speaker 12: literacy and numeracy standards and so it's it's created a

952
00:46:00,413 --> 00:46:03,293
Speaker 12: bit of a bit a bit of interest in terms

953
00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:06,773
Speaker 12: of raising the bar there. So this is nothing really

954
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:09,653
Speaker 12: radical compared to what we've just we've already got operating

955
00:46:09,693 --> 00:46:12,853
Speaker 12: now in the schools and certainly you know, if you're

956
00:46:12,853 --> 00:46:14,573
Speaker 12: going to get NCAA Level three or or I think

957
00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:17,373
Speaker 12: it's the New Zealand Advanced Certipicate of Education is the

958
00:46:17,453 --> 00:46:20,613
Speaker 12: new name you'd hope that you'd had you had graduates

959
00:46:20,653 --> 00:46:23,173
Speaker 12: that were literate and numerate. So there's no sort of

960
00:46:23,373 --> 00:46:27,212
Speaker 12: I don't think the threat to the progress progression through

961
00:46:27,253 --> 00:46:29,333
Speaker 12: the senior school with that Foundation Award.

962
00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:33,093
Speaker 2: What do you think about, you know, the introducing the

963
00:46:33,093 --> 00:46:36,853
Speaker 2: percentage marks out of one hundred alongside letter grades. Personally,

964
00:46:36,853 --> 00:46:40,493
Speaker 2: as a as a parent, I prefer that. Do you

965
00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:44,172
Speaker 2: think that's motivational for students to know exactly where they sit?

966
00:46:44,373 --> 00:46:47,933
Speaker 2: Or do you think it can just make kids give

967
00:46:48,013 --> 00:46:51,853
Speaker 2: up if they're not if they're not getting it nuanced information?

968
00:46:51,933 --> 00:46:54,692
Speaker 2: If you know what I mean, Well, it's a bit

969
00:46:54,693 --> 00:46:55,373
Speaker 2: of a no brainer.

970
00:46:55,493 --> 00:46:58,693
Speaker 12: Really. The the rejig back in the early two thousands

971
00:46:58,693 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 12: of trying to repackage the way we reported achievement just

972
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:07,813
Speaker 12: has created huge confusion. Certainly internationally. We would get students

973
00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:11,413
Speaker 12: wanting to pre rest of universities overseas they file their

974
00:47:11,413 --> 00:47:14,212
Speaker 12: report card with them, and we get universities contacting us

975
00:47:14,213 --> 00:47:16,893
Speaker 12: trying to understand why students have get all his ease

976
00:47:17,093 --> 00:47:21,133
Speaker 12: for excellence because and other jurisdiction he's not an excellent US.

977
00:47:21,933 --> 00:47:25,893
Speaker 12: So you know this common sense needed here. Yes, you know,

978
00:47:26,253 --> 00:47:27,973
Speaker 12: I suppose there is a concern that we're going back

979
00:47:28,013 --> 00:47:31,053
Speaker 12: to that sort of pass fail fifty percent mark, But

980
00:47:31,093 --> 00:47:34,373
Speaker 12: I think that is extremely motivating for students, and it

981
00:47:34,573 --> 00:47:38,893
Speaker 12: just the simplicity for parents and other stakeholders. We just

982
00:47:38,973 --> 00:47:42,173
Speaker 12: had to go back to a language which is universally

983
00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:43,933
Speaker 12: understood and internationally understood.

984
00:47:44,053 --> 00:47:45,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you just want to know the truth

985
00:47:45,373 --> 00:47:48,253
Speaker 2: as a parent and arguably as a child, you just

986
00:47:48,293 --> 00:47:50,373
Speaker 2: want to know where you sit, where you need to

987
00:47:50,533 --> 00:47:52,893
Speaker 2: do better. I mean, it's not the truth. The truth

988
00:47:52,933 --> 00:47:53,613
Speaker 2: can't be offensive.

989
00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:55,293
Speaker 3: I would say, well, it's not.

990
00:47:55,413 --> 00:47:57,253
Speaker 12: And I think that's one of the problems. The best

991
00:47:57,253 --> 00:48:01,133
Speaker 12: intentions of NCAA was tried trying to recognize achievement and

992
00:48:01,173 --> 00:48:05,173
Speaker 12: being very flexible about doing that. But we all know now,

993
00:48:05,213 --> 00:48:07,533
Speaker 12: and we've known for quite a while, that that the

994
00:48:07,573 --> 00:48:11,813
Speaker 12: actual information we're getting is not necessary the reality and

995
00:48:11,853 --> 00:48:15,893
Speaker 12: because it couldn't be compared between schools, even in the

996
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:19,293
Speaker 12: same city, because chemistry in one school could be vastly

997
00:48:19,293 --> 00:48:22,773
Speaker 12: different than chemistry and another school. Because that flexibility, you

998
00:48:22,813 --> 00:48:26,093
Speaker 12: know that that lack of trust was just exacerbated with that.

999
00:48:26,293 --> 00:48:29,373
Speaker 12: So you know, we ended up with with with where

1000
00:48:29,413 --> 00:48:31,733
Speaker 12: you got your qualification was was the main incentive, and

1001
00:48:31,773 --> 00:48:33,773
Speaker 12: parents have voted with their feet. And there's certain schools

1002
00:48:33,813 --> 00:48:36,773
Speaker 12: that are bursting at the seams because of of the

1003
00:48:37,013 --> 00:48:41,053
Speaker 12: of you know, the the rigor or certainly the perception

1004
00:48:41,133 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 12: of rigor in their in their curriculum.

1005
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:46,013
Speaker 3: Like your own school. Patrick, what's your take on the

1006
00:48:46,653 --> 00:48:51,333
Speaker 3: point about creating new subjects with industry expert opinion on

1007
00:48:51,373 --> 00:48:54,333
Speaker 3: what those subjects should be. Is there in your eyes?

1008
00:48:54,373 --> 00:48:56,693
Speaker 3: What are the gaps that are needed for those vocational

1009
00:48:56,733 --> 00:48:59,293
Speaker 3: pathways and do you have some sort of control as

1010
00:48:59,333 --> 00:49:01,652
Speaker 3: a headmaster to design those as a school.

1011
00:49:02,253 --> 00:49:04,013
Speaker 12: Well, I think we will, and we've got a lot

1012
00:49:04,053 --> 00:49:07,533
Speaker 12: of flexibility already around those vocational subjects. And I think

1013
00:49:07,693 --> 00:49:11,053
Speaker 12: absolutely working close with industry, just like we need to

1014
00:49:11,053 --> 00:49:13,973
Speaker 12: work close with our tertiaries as well. I'm about getting

1015
00:49:14,013 --> 00:49:17,653
Speaker 12: this these these qualifications right. I mean, school is preparation

1016
00:49:17,893 --> 00:49:20,813
Speaker 12: for the next step. It's not an end in itself,

1017
00:49:20,853 --> 00:49:23,013
Speaker 12: and I think that's they Sometimes we get a bit

1018
00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:25,333
Speaker 12: carried away in our schools. Don't we about about talking

1019
00:49:25,413 --> 00:49:28,613
Speaker 12: about our exam results versus theeen results.

1020
00:49:28,373 --> 00:49:29,053
Speaker 2: Whatever it might be.

1021
00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:31,773
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, but we're just really preparing students

1022
00:49:31,773 --> 00:49:34,373
Speaker 12: for that next step. We must be working with those partners.

1023
00:49:34,893 --> 00:49:37,813
Speaker 12: My only concern is that, you know, one of the

1024
00:49:38,773 --> 00:49:42,933
Speaker 12: challenges in the current system is how the vocational standards

1025
00:49:43,333 --> 00:49:46,813
Speaker 12: integrated with overall NCEA, and there's a lot of confusion there.

1026
00:49:47,533 --> 00:49:50,213
Speaker 12: They are a standard based approach and now we're moving

1027
00:49:50,253 --> 00:49:53,853
Speaker 12: back to a to a percentage, so Yeah. One of

1028
00:49:53,373 --> 00:49:56,213
Speaker 12: the exemplars the Minister hand it out this morning was,

1029
00:49:56,813 --> 00:50:00,093
Speaker 12: you know, a template which showed automotive angineer engineering seventy

1030
00:50:00,093 --> 00:50:02,613
Speaker 12: four out of one hundred. I suppose if I want

1031
00:50:02,693 --> 00:50:04,893
Speaker 12: someone fixing my card, like one hundred out of one hundred,

1032
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:10,573
Speaker 12: and you know, so standards based assessment reaching a standard.

1033
00:50:10,613 --> 00:50:13,613
Speaker 12: You can repair a car, you can land a plane.

1034
00:50:14,413 --> 00:50:17,413
Speaker 12: You know, there is a lot of sense and those

1035
00:50:17,653 --> 00:50:23,053
Speaker 12: those skills based vocations having a standard a minimum standard,

1036
00:50:23,373 --> 00:50:26,133
Speaker 12: whereas that's not necessarily the case with building knowledge over

1037
00:50:26,173 --> 00:50:30,093
Speaker 12: it those other academic subjects. So how those It's going

1038
00:50:30,133 --> 00:50:33,013
Speaker 12: to be a very interesting discussion around how these vocational

1039
00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:38,333
Speaker 12: standards integrate within an overall certificate grade at the end

1040
00:50:38,373 --> 00:50:41,533
Speaker 12: of your education. And I suppose there would have been

1041
00:50:41,573 --> 00:50:44,613
Speaker 12: still an interest in looking at a totally separate vocational

1042
00:50:44,653 --> 00:50:49,253
Speaker 12: pathway and supporting that, promoting it for students that are

1043
00:50:49,373 --> 00:50:51,773
Speaker 12: very clear that they want to move into either a technology,

1044
00:50:51,853 --> 00:50:55,533
Speaker 12: trades or whatever it might be based pathway. We're still

1045
00:50:55,573 --> 00:50:59,533
Speaker 12: trying to probably cover the whole range with this new qualification,

1046
00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:02,893
Speaker 12: and that's you know, we've fallen into into a few

1047
00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:04,053
Speaker 12: problems with that in the past.

1048
00:51:04,573 --> 00:51:07,533
Speaker 2: We're talking to Patrick drumheadmaster of Mount Albert Grammer, one

1049
00:51:07,573 --> 00:51:10,453
Speaker 2: of the biggest schools in the country. Are you concerned,

1050
00:51:10,453 --> 00:51:14,173
Speaker 2: as some people have stated that this is going too

1051
00:51:14,213 --> 00:51:17,333
Speaker 2: fast and how prepared are schools to implement such a

1052
00:51:17,413 --> 00:51:20,933
Speaker 2: sort of wide scale overhaul because the year twenty twenty

1053
00:51:20,933 --> 00:51:23,013
Speaker 2: six is being banded about for some of the changes.

1054
00:51:24,213 --> 00:51:24,453
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1055
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:27,733
Speaker 12: Well, we've been waiting for this, and to say the

1056
00:51:27,773 --> 00:51:30,453
Speaker 12: waiting has led to schools doing their own things anyway,

1057
00:51:30,613 --> 00:51:33,613
Speaker 12: and I think we need to put a little bit

1058
00:51:33,613 --> 00:51:35,653
Speaker 12: of pressure on ourselves and there certainly will be that.

1059
00:51:35,773 --> 00:51:38,733
Speaker 12: I think the consultation period is very brief, the turnaround

1060
00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:41,252
Speaker 12: here it's four or five weeks. But you know, there's

1061
00:51:41,253 --> 00:51:44,373
Speaker 12: been a lot of groundwork that's gone in here. The

1062
00:51:44,973 --> 00:51:47,773
Speaker 12: professional advisory group that's been working with the ministry had

1063
00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:51,413
Speaker 12: a range of principles and head masters from a great

1064
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:54,293
Speaker 12: diverse selection of schools, So there's been a lot of

1065
00:51:54,413 --> 00:51:57,173
Speaker 12: work and if you could argue sort of consultation obviously

1066
00:51:57,173 --> 00:52:02,053
Speaker 12: in a confidential setting in that advisory group already, you know,

1067
00:52:02,253 --> 00:52:05,373
Speaker 12: we just how long can we wait for this? We've

1068
00:52:05,413 --> 00:52:09,093
Speaker 12: been reviewing NCA basically for twenty five years and still

1069
00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:11,933
Speaker 12: having got it right. So I just think we've just

1070
00:52:11,973 --> 00:52:14,373
Speaker 12: got it. You know, we've got a very clear directive

1071
00:52:14,413 --> 00:52:16,853
Speaker 12: from a minister who's pretty committed to this, and I

1072
00:52:16,853 --> 00:52:18,013
Speaker 12: think we just got to run with it.

1073
00:52:18,653 --> 00:52:21,533
Speaker 2: What about kids that are showing excellence because you know,

1074
00:52:21,653 --> 00:52:25,172
Speaker 2: we want people to get foundational, we want to get standards,

1075
00:52:25,213 --> 00:52:27,853
Speaker 2: We want people to be able to achieve. But what

1076
00:52:27,893 --> 00:52:29,933
Speaker 2: about the people that are brilliant? And we as a

1077
00:52:29,973 --> 00:52:32,373
Speaker 2: country we need people are brilliant. So you know, you

1078
00:52:32,413 --> 00:52:35,333
Speaker 2: talk about we talk about the foundational level year eleven.

1079
00:52:35,493 --> 00:52:38,333
Speaker 2: What if you are well past that at year eleven?

1080
00:52:38,653 --> 00:52:42,053
Speaker 2: Are we set up to help people young young people

1081
00:52:42,093 --> 00:52:44,253
Speaker 2: excel if they are brilliant?

1082
00:52:45,173 --> 00:52:48,333
Speaker 12: Well, I think this ability to have you know, I

1083
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:50,933
Speaker 12: think the five subjects and you're best out of one

1084
00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:53,613
Speaker 12: hundred each, your mark out of five hundred, that's going

1085
00:52:53,693 --> 00:52:55,453
Speaker 12: to be very motivating. I mean, I suppose it's one

1086
00:52:55,493 --> 00:52:58,652
Speaker 12: of the big motivators for moving to the international qualifications,

1087
00:52:58,693 --> 00:53:02,253
Speaker 12: isn't it. People in Cambridge schools doing Cambridge International exams

1088
00:53:02,293 --> 00:53:05,773
Speaker 12: are all getting percentages. It's been a big driver for

1089
00:53:06,413 --> 00:53:10,013
Speaker 12: success there. I think that, you know, remember we also

1090
00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 12: have a very rigorous New Zealand Scholarship exam right at

1091
00:53:12,813 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 12: the top level of our qualification system. In fact, at

1092
00:53:16,373 --> 00:53:19,973
Speaker 12: the moment, it's the only common assessment in the whole

1093
00:53:20,013 --> 00:53:22,493
Speaker 12: system where students turn up on the same day and

1094
00:53:22,573 --> 00:53:25,413
Speaker 12: sit the same exam. So you know, that's been a

1095
00:53:25,413 --> 00:53:29,093
Speaker 12: big measure, a big motivator for many many students at

1096
00:53:29,093 --> 00:53:33,013
Speaker 12: that upper end. I just think this is a fantastic

1097
00:53:33,013 --> 00:53:35,573
Speaker 12: way of recognizing that, you know, maybe ninety percent in

1098
00:53:35,613 --> 00:53:38,053
Speaker 12: the subject is different than eighty percent, or is different

1099
00:53:38,053 --> 00:53:41,373
Speaker 12: than seventy five, and that again in itself, is a

1100
00:53:41,413 --> 00:53:44,013
Speaker 12: real motivator how we get there and how those marks

1101
00:53:44,013 --> 00:53:47,133
Speaker 12: are finally put together. A little bit of consultation needed

1102
00:53:47,133 --> 00:53:50,053
Speaker 12: on that because he will be internal assessment still part

1103
00:53:50,093 --> 00:53:54,333
Speaker 12: of most courses, and I think that's appropriate as long

1104
00:53:54,373 --> 00:53:59,493
Speaker 12: as that internal assessment is very carefully externally moderated so

1105
00:53:59,533 --> 00:54:03,373
Speaker 12: it's comparative between different schools. At the moment, it's not,

1106
00:54:04,013 --> 00:54:05,973
Speaker 12: and that's what's causing the huge problem for us.

1107
00:54:06,133 --> 00:54:08,893
Speaker 3: Patrick, really really good to get your thought. Thank you

1108
00:54:09,053 --> 00:54:10,933
Speaker 3: very much. A lot of support on the text machine,

1109
00:54:10,933 --> 00:54:14,493
Speaker 3: but keen to get your views on the changes to NCEEA.

1110
00:54:14,813 --> 00:54:18,893
Speaker 3: The consultation is open until September before final decisions are made.

1111
00:54:18,893 --> 00:54:21,692
Speaker 3: But particularly around those new subjects. They want to bring

1112
00:54:21,693 --> 00:54:24,573
Speaker 3: in new subjects with industry support. What should they be?

1113
00:54:24,613 --> 00:54:26,613
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1114
00:54:26,773 --> 00:54:28,973
Speaker 2: Got to say Patrick Drum runs a very good school

1115
00:54:28,973 --> 00:54:30,573
Speaker 2: now Helm Grammar, great school.

1116
00:54:30,373 --> 00:54:32,613
Speaker 3: Very good headmaster. It is twenty four past two.

1117
00:54:36,533 --> 00:54:39,893
Speaker 1: Matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh eight hundred

1118
00:54:39,973 --> 00:54:42,693
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZV afternoon.

1119
00:54:42,693 --> 00:54:44,893
Speaker 3: It is twenty six past tu So we're talking about

1120
00:54:44,893 --> 00:54:48,652
Speaker 3: the proposed changes to NCEEA, but focusing on the new

1121
00:54:48,693 --> 00:54:51,493
Speaker 3: subjects and standards that they want to introduce. So this

1122
00:54:51,573 --> 00:54:55,413
Speaker 3: is going to be with help from industry experts in construction,

1123
00:54:55,493 --> 00:54:59,172
Speaker 3: automotive and hospitality. But what should students be taught at

1124
00:54:59,173 --> 00:55:01,333
Speaker 3: that secondary school level? Oh eight hundred eighty ten.

1125
00:55:01,213 --> 00:55:02,853
Speaker 2: Eighty Jason, your thoughts on this?

1126
00:55:04,333 --> 00:55:06,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks to Gen j Before I do give you

1127
00:55:06,653 --> 00:55:10,653
Speaker 5: my opinion. Now, what a great summation that that principle

1128
00:55:10,693 --> 00:55:12,812
Speaker 5: from Mags gave. I think he's the way he spoke

1129
00:55:12,853 --> 00:55:15,693
Speaker 5: with clarity, makes you know he's basically taught us everything

1130
00:55:15,693 --> 00:55:16,253
Speaker 5: we need to know.

1131
00:55:17,653 --> 00:55:18,453
Speaker 4: What a real?

1132
00:55:18,893 --> 00:55:19,692
Speaker 5: Yeah, what a real?

1133
00:55:20,253 --> 00:55:23,053
Speaker 2: He runs a school of three and a half thousand

1134
00:55:23,133 --> 00:55:25,093
Speaker 2: kids very well, and it's basically.

1135
00:55:24,733 --> 00:55:27,652
Speaker 17: A small down Yeah, a small town.

1136
00:55:27,653 --> 00:55:28,893
Speaker 2: He's running out there in Mount Albert.

1137
00:55:29,693 --> 00:55:29,893
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1138
00:55:29,973 --> 00:55:31,733
Speaker 5: Look, I was just talking to a producer about what

1139
00:55:31,893 --> 00:55:35,413
Speaker 5: my thoughts what these extra industry subjects to be introduced

1140
00:55:35,453 --> 00:55:37,773
Speaker 5: should be. But do I get it right that there

1141
00:55:37,773 --> 00:55:41,413
Speaker 5: will be nothing? Year eleven's basically done away with. They

1142
00:55:41,453 --> 00:55:45,453
Speaker 5: don't really start entering qualifications now until year twelve, and

1143
00:55:45,493 --> 00:55:48,053
Speaker 5: then you know they've done away with a year, basically,

1144
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:48,453
Speaker 5: haven't they?

1145
00:55:49,173 --> 00:55:53,693
Speaker 2: Year eleven Foundational Skills Award is to recognize focus on

1146
00:55:55,973 --> 00:55:58,253
Speaker 2: getting your dutch in a row so you can move forward.

1147
00:55:59,053 --> 00:56:01,813
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean too many people lost from the system

1148
00:56:01,933 --> 00:56:04,772
Speaker 5: education because they get despondent at that age. I think

1149
00:56:04,813 --> 00:56:07,213
Speaker 5: an extra year to give them more grounding and prepare

1150
00:56:07,533 --> 00:56:10,172
Speaker 5: is a good thing. But look, my opinion is it

1151
00:56:10,213 --> 00:56:13,853
Speaker 5: starts and means with financial literacy. The reason I say that,

1152
00:56:13,893 --> 00:56:15,652
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying that everyone wants to turn out

1153
00:56:15,653 --> 00:56:19,453
Speaker 5: to be a CA or a CFO or or you

1154
00:56:19,493 --> 00:56:22,213
Speaker 5: know whatever being calendar, but how many times do you

1155
00:56:22,253 --> 00:56:24,453
Speaker 5: hear in this day of people ripping people off that

1156
00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 5: and this is coming from people that you start off

1157
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,453
Speaker 5: a new business on their own if only had to

1158
00:56:29,653 --> 00:56:32,813
Speaker 5: understood the numbers are better, I might have stayed myself

1159
00:56:32,813 --> 00:56:34,933
Speaker 5: from going to the war because one of my employees

1160
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:35,293
Speaker 5: ripped me.

1161
00:56:35,333 --> 00:56:36,453
Speaker 4: Off half a million dollars.

1162
00:56:37,293 --> 00:56:40,133
Speaker 5: So I think that you know, that financial literacy, whether

1163
00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:42,172
Speaker 5: it's in the form of being able to understand how

1164
00:56:42,173 --> 00:56:45,653
Speaker 5: to read a P and L, well basically just understand

1165
00:56:45,653 --> 00:56:47,973
Speaker 5: how accounts work, has got to be a good thing

1166
00:56:48,093 --> 00:56:52,213
Speaker 5: for people entering the real world. As I say, it's

1167
00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:55,293
Speaker 5: not a vocation that everyone aspires to, but look, if

1168
00:56:55,293 --> 00:56:57,213
Speaker 5: you're going to set up your electrical business or your

1169
00:56:57,213 --> 00:57:01,053
Speaker 5: own plumbing business, or your own whatever, having some good

1170
00:57:01,213 --> 00:57:05,813
Speaker 5: foundation understanding of what make numbers add up, it's got

1171
00:57:05,853 --> 00:57:07,653
Speaker 5: to be a good thing in today's world where you

1172
00:57:07,693 --> 00:57:08,213
Speaker 5: know everyone.

1173
00:57:08,693 --> 00:57:11,613
Speaker 2: Would you like to see, because say in the year eleven,

1174
00:57:11,653 --> 00:57:14,173
Speaker 2: this foundational year, they're going to have a compulsory for

1175
00:57:14,293 --> 00:57:17,053
Speaker 2: English and mathematics to be taken. Would you like to

1176
00:57:17,093 --> 00:57:20,893
Speaker 2: see mathematics have that aspect to it. The numbers, the

1177
00:57:20,893 --> 00:57:23,653
Speaker 2: practical numbers, numbers for you know, running a business.

1178
00:57:24,293 --> 00:57:27,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, not calculus, not too ex equals right, all that stuff.

1179
00:57:27,533 --> 00:57:29,453
Speaker 5: Because a lot of people that doesn't make any sense,

1180
00:57:29,453 --> 00:57:31,133
Speaker 5: and it never made any sense to me, I had

1181
00:57:31,133 --> 00:57:34,053
Speaker 5: to understand and how to you know, how to you

1182
00:57:34,093 --> 00:57:36,053
Speaker 5: know how to put together a profit and loss or something,

1183
00:57:36,093 --> 00:57:41,093
Speaker 5: so something that's more outside that, less specific, but basically

1184
00:57:41,133 --> 00:57:43,933
Speaker 5: it is more relative to how we operate in business

1185
00:57:44,013 --> 00:57:46,853
Speaker 5: today and that can be done across any different streams.

1186
00:57:47,213 --> 00:57:49,013
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you just go the full hole? And I was

1187
00:57:49,053 --> 00:57:51,373
Speaker 3: thinking about this, Jase, I agree, But wouldn't you offer

1188
00:57:51,573 --> 00:57:55,013
Speaker 3: maybe some sort of business basic business course to secondary

1189
00:57:55,053 --> 00:57:57,253
Speaker 3: school students if they were interested in that? And I

1190
00:57:57,333 --> 00:58:01,573
Speaker 3: say that because I think I have no real skills

1191
00:58:01,573 --> 00:58:03,653
Speaker 3: in starting a business. I never have, Matt, you had

1192
00:58:03,693 --> 00:58:07,133
Speaker 3: started several businesses, but that knowledge in depth knowledge to

1193
00:58:07,373 --> 00:58:09,493
Speaker 3: start checking. But as soon as you leave school to

1194
00:58:09,533 --> 00:58:11,413
Speaker 3: maybe give a crack to start in your own business,

1195
00:58:11,493 --> 00:58:13,413
Speaker 3: that to me is only good news for the economy.

1196
00:58:13,453 --> 00:58:16,253
Speaker 3: If it works, then they are you know, it is

1197
00:58:16,293 --> 00:58:18,653
Speaker 3: a productive air set for New Zealand and for them

1198
00:58:18,653 --> 00:58:20,453
Speaker 3: and they hire people. If it doesn't, you learn a

1199
00:58:20,453 --> 00:58:21,333
Speaker 3: lot of good skills.

1200
00:58:22,093 --> 00:58:24,933
Speaker 5: Oh look, totally, genes, this future proofs our whole. You know,

1201
00:58:25,013 --> 00:58:27,893
Speaker 5: the next generation of entrepreneurs and that you know they

1202
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:30,293
Speaker 5: it's got to be a good thing because they're never

1203
00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:34,373
Speaker 5: too young at that age. To understand. I go to

1204
00:58:34,453 --> 00:58:37,653
Speaker 5: some of these school things where they want people from

1205
00:58:37,693 --> 00:58:40,373
Speaker 5: industry to you know, talk to some of their enterprise

1206
00:58:40,693 --> 00:58:44,413
Speaker 5: you know, of course your enterprise studies, and some of

1207
00:58:44,453 --> 00:58:47,053
Speaker 5: these young ones have got such great ideas, but you

1208
00:58:47,093 --> 00:58:49,653
Speaker 5: look at them and think, you're so raw about what

1209
00:58:49,853 --> 00:58:52,733
Speaker 5: that what you have to do to turn that dream

1210
00:58:52,813 --> 00:58:56,453
Speaker 5: into into a commercial reality. So yeah, I agree with you.

1211
00:58:56,573 --> 00:58:59,133
Speaker 5: Something that's got to be a good investment for the country.

1212
00:58:59,493 --> 00:59:02,973
Speaker 2: I kept trying to hassle my kids into starting companies

1213
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:05,573
Speaker 2: because you know, if you start something when you're eighteen

1214
00:59:05,693 --> 00:59:07,573
Speaker 2: nineteen and you just work at it, you know, even

1215
00:59:07,573 --> 00:59:09,653
Speaker 2: if it completely and blows up in your face, you'll

1216
00:59:09,693 --> 00:59:12,533
Speaker 2: have learned so many lessons. And you could come out

1217
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:14,853
Speaker 2: with so many lessons at the age of twenty five

1218
00:59:15,213 --> 00:59:17,053
Speaker 2: from a business, as long as you don't come out

1219
00:59:17,093 --> 00:59:20,213
Speaker 2: with too much debt. Yeah, you know, but so many lessons.

1220
00:59:20,453 --> 00:59:21,893
Speaker 2: Even if it blows up in your face and didn't

1221
00:59:21,973 --> 00:59:24,733
Speaker 2: quite work and you had slightly the wrong, wrong business,

1222
00:59:25,013 --> 00:59:27,853
Speaker 2: then I just think, boy, when you're young, that's the

1223
00:59:27,893 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 2: time to take a punt. You know, when you when

1224
00:59:29,773 --> 00:59:31,853
Speaker 2: you're quite before you have kids and you're quite happy

1225
00:59:31,893 --> 00:59:36,413
Speaker 2: to sleep rough and just and just pour all your

1226
00:59:36,493 --> 00:59:39,413
Speaker 2: energy into something, you know. But I don't know. I

1227
00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:41,253
Speaker 2: don't know if a lot of kids are starting businesses

1228
00:59:41,293 --> 00:59:43,013
Speaker 2: at twenty you know.

1229
00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, looking they're not. They're never two you owns

1230
00:59:47,653 --> 00:59:49,333
Speaker 5: to get a bit of battle scars, you know, in

1231
00:59:49,413 --> 00:59:51,293
Speaker 5: terms of it's not going to cost them. You know,

1232
00:59:51,293 --> 00:59:52,893
Speaker 5: they're going to put them in the bankruptcy court and

1233
00:59:52,893 --> 00:59:55,013
Speaker 5: it's not going to ruin them for life. But take

1234
00:59:55,053 --> 00:59:57,453
Speaker 5: a few knocks, you know, and give it some Morialism

1235
00:59:58,813 --> 01:00:00,453
Speaker 5: has got to be a good thing, you know. I mean,

1236
01:00:00,453 --> 01:00:02,813
Speaker 5: we all want that next generation of Michael Hills and

1237
01:00:02,893 --> 01:00:04,693
Speaker 5: you know, Graham Harts. You know where they're going to

1238
01:00:04,733 --> 01:00:05,253
Speaker 5: come from.

1239
01:00:05,413 --> 01:00:09,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely, see Jason, that's a great thought. Oh eight

1240
01:00:09,373 --> 01:00:11,573
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. That

1241
01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:13,733
Speaker 3: was one of my big regrets looking back, that I

1242
01:00:13,733 --> 01:00:16,253
Speaker 3: didn't take a punt on trying to start my own business. Genuinely,

1243
01:00:16,413 --> 01:00:18,293
Speaker 3: I look back on those years and man, I should

1244
01:00:18,293 --> 01:00:21,133
Speaker 3: have because you've got all these crazy ideas and arguably

1245
01:00:21,453 --> 01:00:23,213
Speaker 3: most of them wouldn't have worked, if any of them.

1246
01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:25,453
Speaker 3: But I still regret not taking a punt and trying it.

1247
01:00:25,613 --> 01:00:28,413
Speaker 2: Yes, but Tyler you've done a right all those decisions

1248
01:00:28,653 --> 01:00:31,013
Speaker 2: they led you to my door. Could be my co

1249
01:00:31,093 --> 01:00:31,533
Speaker 2: host on.

1250
01:00:31,493 --> 01:00:34,973
Speaker 3: This very true, very true, no regrets right. Oh one hundred.

1251
01:00:35,133 --> 01:00:37,173
Speaker 2: The long and winding road led you here.

1252
01:00:37,493 --> 01:00:39,373
Speaker 3: If there was a long, long road, that's for sure.

1253
01:00:39,413 --> 01:00:40,533
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and I'm for one.

1254
01:00:40,573 --> 01:00:40,893
Speaker 2: I'm happy.

1255
01:00:41,133 --> 01:00:42,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1256
01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:45,933
Speaker 3: the number to call? It is twenty eight to three.

1257
01:00:47,333 --> 01:00:50,373
Speaker 15: You talk said the headlines were blue bubble taxis It's

1258
01:00:50,373 --> 01:00:53,413
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble for Foreign Minister's spoken

1259
01:00:53,413 --> 01:00:57,013
Speaker 15: about the sixty years of unique at citizenship pathway between

1260
01:00:57,053 --> 01:00:59,933
Speaker 15: New Zealand and the Cook Islands. Whinston Peter says New

1261
01:01:00,013 --> 01:01:02,573
Speaker 15: Zealand would support a referendum if people and the Cooks

1262
01:01:02,653 --> 01:01:06,893
Speaker 15: wanted independence, but act if it's government takes actions offensive

1263
01:01:06,933 --> 01:01:10,373
Speaker 15: to US. Education Minister says skills will need to work

1264
01:01:10,453 --> 01:01:14,533
Speaker 15: closely with polytechs as a replacement to NCA rolls out

1265
01:01:14,653 --> 01:01:18,333
Speaker 15: over five years. University's New Zealand's giving their proposal a

1266
01:01:18,333 --> 01:01:22,133
Speaker 15: tick of approval for now. A Bangladeshi husband and wife

1267
01:01:22,133 --> 01:01:25,613
Speaker 15: have been found guilty of forty citizenship and visa fraud

1268
01:01:25,693 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 15: charges spanning twenty years. Jahana Alam's been sentenced to four

1269
01:01:30,013 --> 01:01:33,693
Speaker 15: years in prison and wife taj Pavan Shipeley to twelve

1270
01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:37,693
Speaker 15: months home detention. The Prime Minister is refusing to accept

1271
01:01:37,693 --> 01:01:41,493
Speaker 15: an increase in homelessness is because of government policy, citing

1272
01:01:41,533 --> 01:01:45,653
Speaker 15: social housing weightless numbers dropping by six thousand. He says

1273
01:01:45,653 --> 01:01:48,893
Speaker 15: half a billion dollars is going to agencies supporting homelessness

1274
01:01:49,613 --> 01:01:52,373
Speaker 15: and fullest Boss has made the case for electric fairies

1275
01:01:52,613 --> 01:01:55,853
Speaker 15: as Auckland Transport doubles down on diesel. Read more at

1276
01:01:55,973 --> 01:01:58,893
Speaker 15: NZT Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

1277
01:01:59,213 --> 01:02:01,053
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about

1278
01:02:01,093 --> 01:02:03,213
Speaker 3: the proposed changes to NCA.

1279
01:02:03,213 --> 01:02:05,613
Speaker 2: With respect to that last call. Assisis Texter as he

1280
01:02:05,733 --> 01:02:08,253
Speaker 2: has right idea. The system needs to cater for real

1281
01:02:08,493 --> 01:02:11,773
Speaker 2: life more, but accounting is definitely not one of those areas,

1282
01:02:12,013 --> 01:02:14,413
Speaker 2: as this one hundred percent can quickly and easily be

1283
01:02:14,453 --> 01:02:17,133
Speaker 2: done with AI. Now, the system needs to try to

1284
01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:19,853
Speaker 2: predict where knowledge will be needed. Not an easy job,

1285
01:02:19,893 --> 01:02:22,813
Speaker 2: but I would support a taxpayer funded group of real

1286
01:02:22,893 --> 01:02:26,413
Speaker 2: expert slash thinkers to do that properly. Definitely, not a

1287
01:02:26,413 --> 01:02:29,573
Speaker 2: bunch of crusty old politicians and principles. As from Kit,

1288
01:02:30,573 --> 01:02:33,373
Speaker 2: it's a point about not all of the teachers involved

1289
01:02:33,413 --> 01:02:34,293
Speaker 2: with this are krusty.

1290
01:02:34,653 --> 01:02:36,173
Speaker 3: It's an unfair generalization.

1291
01:02:36,253 --> 01:02:37,453
Speaker 2: Some of them old and not crusty.

1292
01:02:37,533 --> 01:02:38,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true.

1293
01:02:38,333 --> 01:02:39,533
Speaker 2: Some of them are crusty and young.

1294
01:02:39,493 --> 01:02:41,653
Speaker 3: Some young freshies out there. But it's a good point

1295
01:02:41,693 --> 01:02:44,573
Speaker 3: about the AI and being an accountant. I mean, AI

1296
01:02:44,733 --> 01:02:46,493
Speaker 3: is fast coming for a lot of jobs out there,

1297
01:02:46,853 --> 01:02:48,933
Speaker 3: and I've got to say I think crunchy numbers is

1298
01:02:48,933 --> 01:02:49,613
Speaker 3: probably one of them.

1299
01:02:50,373 --> 01:02:54,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, I'll be interested in that. I mean,

1300
01:02:54,053 --> 01:02:56,613
Speaker 2: I think I think there's a lot of the background work,

1301
01:02:57,333 --> 01:03:00,853
Speaker 2: you know, around receipts and admin work around accounting. But

1302
01:03:00,893 --> 01:03:03,973
Speaker 2: in the end, I think you want someone to sign

1303
01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:07,093
Speaker 2: off the you know, your little black books at the

1304
01:03:07,173 --> 01:03:08,173
Speaker 2: end of the year for your business.

1305
01:03:08,693 --> 01:03:10,453
Speaker 3: If I I D comes after you and say I'm

1306
01:03:10,453 --> 01:03:12,413
Speaker 3: sorry that AI buggered it up, that's not much of

1307
01:03:12,453 --> 01:03:15,613
Speaker 3: an excuse, is it. One hundred and eighteen eighty number

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01:03:15,613 --> 01:03:15,893
Speaker 3: to call?

1309
01:03:16,213 --> 01:03:17,893
Speaker 2: Murray? Welcome to the show.

1310
01:03:23,053 --> 01:03:23,293
Speaker 4: Dog.

1311
01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:24,853
Speaker 2: Are you being attacked by a small dog?

1312
01:03:26,013 --> 01:03:28,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, she heard me jump, so she jumped too.

1313
01:03:28,773 --> 01:03:29,613
Speaker 3: It's good guard dog.

1314
01:03:29,693 --> 01:03:33,293
Speaker 2: What kind of dogs that? Murray? Before we get into it, Adam,

1315
01:03:33,413 --> 01:03:34,733
Speaker 2: what kind of dog are you running there?

1316
01:03:36,173 --> 01:03:40,973
Speaker 18: Miniature poodle? Grumpy female miniature poodle name.

1317
01:03:42,373 --> 01:03:42,653
Speaker 4: Milly.

1318
01:03:43,013 --> 01:03:47,493
Speaker 2: Hey, Milly, what a good girl, Millie is? Let Murray?

1319
01:03:47,533 --> 01:03:49,133
Speaker 2: You Let Murray talk to us and then he'll be

1320
01:03:49,213 --> 01:03:49,693
Speaker 2: right back to you.

1321
01:03:51,813 --> 01:03:55,093
Speaker 18: Sus in charge. Hey, I'm listening to and I'm I'm

1322
01:03:55,133 --> 01:04:00,013
Speaker 18: applauding Minister Stanford for what she's doing with INZA and

1323
01:04:00,213 --> 01:04:05,133
Speaker 18: education in general. But I'm reminded that my mother left

1324
01:04:05,373 --> 01:04:09,933
Speaker 18: primary school wanting to go to secondary school in nineteen

1325
01:04:10,053 --> 01:04:14,453
Speaker 18: twenty four, one hundred years ago. Wow, and she had

1326
01:04:14,493 --> 01:04:18,733
Speaker 18: to sit an exam because it wasn't automatic getting into

1327
01:04:18,773 --> 01:04:24,693
Speaker 18: high school. It was automatic that you went through primary school,

1328
01:04:24,693 --> 01:04:28,653
Speaker 18: but secondary school you had to qualify to do it.

1329
01:04:28,773 --> 01:04:30,773
Speaker 18: And that was one hundred years ago. And looks like

1330
01:04:30,813 --> 01:04:32,933
Speaker 18: we're heading back to the same thing today, which I

1331
01:04:33,053 --> 01:04:36,173
Speaker 18: think is good. Kids today aren't allowed to fail, which

1332
01:04:36,173 --> 01:04:38,693
Speaker 18: I think is wrong. You and I have all failed

1333
01:04:38,733 --> 01:04:41,453
Speaker 18: at various times in our adult life. So why shouldn't

1334
01:04:41,453 --> 01:04:45,133
Speaker 18: the as kids teachers into what the real life is

1335
01:04:45,173 --> 01:04:48,933
Speaker 18: all about. And as far as mathematics or I'd rather

1336
01:04:49,013 --> 01:04:53,893
Speaker 18: call it arithmetic, because that's all they really need. I

1337
01:04:53,933 --> 01:04:58,893
Speaker 18: took my daughter who's now fifty two to an in

1338
01:04:58,893 --> 01:05:02,653
Speaker 18: introduction to the teachers at how At College I guess

1339
01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:06,693
Speaker 18: probably nineteen ninety five or thereabouts, and all of the

1340
01:05:06,773 --> 01:05:10,213
Speaker 18: teachers introduced themselves I think quite a few of them,

1341
01:05:10,253 --> 01:05:14,293
Speaker 18: at least six or eight, often with a giggle when

1342
01:05:14,333 --> 01:05:17,013
Speaker 18: they said it said they had nothing to do with mathematics.

1343
01:05:19,133 --> 01:05:21,693
Speaker 18: So that's you know, it's not new, and it didn't

1344
01:05:21,693 --> 01:05:24,493
Speaker 18: happen this year or last year. It's been going on

1345
01:05:24,533 --> 01:05:25,813
Speaker 18: for thirty years or more.

1346
01:05:26,093 --> 01:05:27,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it does feel like a bit of

1347
01:05:27,653 --> 01:05:29,173
Speaker 3: a full circle moment. Absolutely.

1348
01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:32,173
Speaker 2: Just I just texta here says financial literacy is taught

1349
01:05:32,253 --> 01:05:35,813
Speaker 2: under NCA more literacy and numeracy at year eleven. Sounds

1350
01:05:35,853 --> 01:05:38,533
Speaker 2: so boring. This is from a teacher called rich here.

1351
01:05:39,733 --> 01:05:42,333
Speaker 2: I think there's there has to be. And with my kids,

1352
01:05:42,333 --> 01:05:44,573
Speaker 2: I've always thought with their school, there is the basics,

1353
01:05:44,613 --> 01:05:46,533
Speaker 2: and I think I like the idea of the financial

1354
01:05:46,573 --> 01:05:48,533
Speaker 2: schools WARLD, but there has to be a little bit

1355
01:05:48,573 --> 01:05:51,733
Speaker 2: at school that keeps you excited, right, Yeah, So I

1356
01:05:51,733 --> 01:05:53,293
Speaker 2: don't think there's the end of the world if your

1357
01:05:53,373 --> 01:05:56,293
Speaker 2: kids are doing outdoor education. And I think there's a

1358
01:05:56,693 --> 01:06:01,773
Speaker 2: huge place at schools for art definitely and design and

1359
01:06:02,293 --> 01:06:05,653
Speaker 2: you know, even photography. Absolutely, And I think I think

1360
01:06:05,773 --> 01:06:08,773
Speaker 2: to get kids excited about going to school, there needs

1361
01:06:08,773 --> 01:06:09,973
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of sugar.

1362
01:06:10,093 --> 01:06:13,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, medicine, you've got a foster passion and the education system. Absolutely.

1363
01:06:14,013 --> 01:06:16,773
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your call, Murray Andy.

1364
01:06:16,453 --> 01:06:17,133
Speaker 2: Welcome to show.

1365
01:06:17,893 --> 01:06:18,813
Speaker 13: They go and there you're going.

1366
01:06:18,973 --> 01:06:21,973
Speaker 2: Good. You're picking up your kids to go to where

1367
01:06:22,013 --> 01:06:22,333
Speaker 2: you're going.

1368
01:06:23,173 --> 01:06:25,133
Speaker 17: Oh, picking the kids up from school and take the

1369
01:06:25,373 --> 01:06:26,453
Speaker 17: daughter off to dance.

1370
01:06:26,813 --> 01:06:29,173
Speaker 2: Ah, good on you, good on your mate.

1371
01:06:29,773 --> 01:06:31,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, just thick you're the six.

1372
01:06:32,853 --> 01:06:35,013
Speaker 13: I'm loving the new policy, but I'm just a bit

1373
01:06:35,133 --> 01:06:37,533
Speaker 13: flustered that it's it's going to start too late for

1374
01:06:37,573 --> 01:06:37,933
Speaker 13: my boy.

1375
01:06:38,653 --> 01:06:41,173
Speaker 2: Ah see coming out the back of high school.

1376
01:06:41,773 --> 01:06:43,333
Speaker 13: He is in year eleven next year.

1377
01:06:43,773 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 3: Ah right, right, well.

1378
01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:47,093
Speaker 2: It might come in. I think they're trying to turn

1379
01:06:47,133 --> 01:06:48,493
Speaker 2: it around pretty quickly, aren't they.

1380
01:06:49,053 --> 01:06:49,213
Speaker 6: Ah.

1381
01:06:49,293 --> 01:06:51,613
Speaker 13: I think it doesn't well year, I don't think. Well,

1382
01:06:51,693 --> 01:06:53,973
Speaker 13: what I read is that year eleven won't start until

1383
01:06:53,973 --> 01:06:54,893
Speaker 13: twenty twenty nine.

1384
01:06:55,133 --> 01:06:57,813
Speaker 2: Ah right, Okay, yeah, I think you're right.

1385
01:06:58,133 --> 01:06:58,653
Speaker 4: I took you wrong.

1386
01:06:58,733 --> 01:07:00,693
Speaker 3: No, No, We've just got the WEE timeline in front

1387
01:07:00,733 --> 01:07:02,253
Speaker 3: of us here on the on a WEAT cheat sheet

1388
01:07:02,293 --> 01:07:05,213
Speaker 3: and you're right, So you're eleven comes in at twenty

1389
01:07:05,333 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 3: twenty eight. It gets introduced next year a year eight,

1390
01:07:08,973 --> 01:07:10,053
Speaker 3: so they're the lead cohort.

1391
01:07:12,653 --> 01:07:15,813
Speaker 4: Start it, Start it tomorrow, Start tomorrow.

1392
01:07:17,013 --> 01:07:19,693
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. So what is it that you like about it? Andy?

1393
01:07:19,733 --> 01:07:22,413
Speaker 3: What is really fizzing you about this new system?

1394
01:07:22,853 --> 01:07:26,773
Speaker 13: It's just straightforward, it's easy to understand. None of us

1395
01:07:27,013 --> 01:07:31,053
Speaker 13: achieved NOTT of Thieves and excellence and it's just part

1396
01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:33,613
Speaker 13: fail AVC Boom bring it.

1397
01:07:34,293 --> 01:07:34,533
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1398
01:07:35,133 --> 01:07:37,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that thing about a percentage

1399
01:07:37,573 --> 01:07:40,013
Speaker 2: is you know in a grade that you actually know

1400
01:07:40,053 --> 01:07:41,893
Speaker 2: what it is and you just get the truth because

1401
01:07:41,893 --> 01:07:44,333
Speaker 2: there's no if you're not good at something, there's not

1402
01:07:44,333 --> 01:07:47,573
Speaker 2: necessarily shame. You can either put your resources into getting

1403
01:07:47,573 --> 01:07:49,853
Speaker 2: better at it, or you can put your resources into

1404
01:07:49,893 --> 01:07:53,253
Speaker 2: doing something else. But there's you know, it's a terrible

1405
01:07:53,293 --> 01:07:56,133
Speaker 2: situation if you sort of message the numbers to the

1406
01:07:56,173 --> 01:07:58,013
Speaker 2: point someone thinks they're good at something that they're not

1407
01:07:58,053 --> 01:08:00,573
Speaker 2: good at and waste their time on it, or thinks

1408
01:08:00,613 --> 01:08:02,853
Speaker 2: they're good at something they're not and therefore doesn't put

1409
01:08:02,893 --> 01:08:06,213
Speaker 2: the effort into it to be better. So I love

1410
01:08:06,253 --> 01:08:09,133
Speaker 2: that part of it. I think percentages and raids has

1411
01:08:09,213 --> 01:08:10,893
Speaker 2: got to be the way people need to know the truth.

1412
01:08:11,093 --> 01:08:13,213
Speaker 2: Can't people can handle.

1413
01:08:12,933 --> 01:08:16,532
Speaker 3: The truth and give me the truth exactly. Yeah, and

1414
01:08:16,613 --> 01:08:18,572
Speaker 3: you just quickly you mentioned your daughter. You're about to

1415
01:08:18,613 --> 01:08:20,853
Speaker 3: take your daughter off to dance. Does she do dance

1416
01:08:20,933 --> 01:08:22,933
Speaker 3: clants classes within the school system?

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01:08:23,693 --> 01:08:23,853
Speaker 22: Ah?

1418
01:08:24,093 --> 01:08:28,253
Speaker 13: No, she's she's she's only a year yes, seven, So

1419
01:08:28,293 --> 01:08:31,012
Speaker 13: this this is going to work well for her, right yeah?

1420
01:08:31,093 --> 01:08:33,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean, as a father, if that's what

1421
01:08:33,893 --> 01:08:35,652
Speaker 3: she wants to try and have a crack at later

1422
01:08:35,692 --> 01:08:37,892
Speaker 3: in life and perhaps even make it a vocation, would

1423
01:08:37,933 --> 01:08:40,372
Speaker 3: you support more of those subjects being offered to her

1424
01:08:40,412 --> 01:08:41,213
Speaker 3: at secondary school?

1425
01:08:41,933 --> 01:08:42,932
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

1426
01:08:43,053 --> 01:08:46,652
Speaker 13: Yep, yep, Because where my boy goes to college in

1427
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:50,213
Speaker 13: Hamilton is at they've got dance passes in the high

1428
01:08:50,213 --> 01:08:50,692
Speaker 13: school there.

1429
01:08:50,812 --> 01:08:53,852
Speaker 3: So yeah, and thank you very much for giving us

1430
01:08:53,853 --> 01:08:54,293
Speaker 3: a buzz.

1431
01:08:54,732 --> 01:08:54,892
Speaker 23: Hi.

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01:08:54,973 --> 01:08:57,453
Speaker 2: Guys, my fourteen year old daughter wants to be a mortician,

1433
01:08:58,532 --> 01:09:00,772
Speaker 2: and there's need to get more nurses and doctors. Maybe

1434
01:09:00,772 --> 01:09:03,852
Speaker 2: the government should add real skills into skills for those

1435
01:09:03,893 --> 01:09:06,532
Speaker 2: types of jobs. Be interesting in putting a mortician course

1436
01:09:06,612 --> 01:09:09,213
Speaker 2: then a yearly twelve and thirteen.

1437
01:09:09,612 --> 01:09:11,852
Speaker 3: Hats off to your fourteen year old who knows at

1438
01:09:11,893 --> 01:09:14,052
Speaker 3: that very early age that she wants to do more Tisian.

1439
01:09:14,253 --> 01:09:17,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, set up a sort of I don't know, a

1440
01:09:17,893 --> 01:09:21,172
Speaker 2: mock morg Yeah. They can handle real bodies, bodies through.

1441
01:09:21,053 --> 01:09:23,372
Speaker 3: The kids would love it. Oh one hundred eighty ten

1442
01:09:23,452 --> 01:09:26,012
Speaker 3: eighty is the number of call looking at the subjects

1443
01:09:26,013 --> 01:09:28,973
Speaker 3: what should be taught at the secondary school level of

1444
01:09:29,013 --> 01:09:31,532
Speaker 3: those vocational pathways that are going to have a real

1445
01:09:31,532 --> 01:09:34,412
Speaker 3: shot at offering these kids jobs and your overall thoughts

1446
01:09:34,412 --> 01:09:37,253
Speaker 3: about the changes to NCA. Love to hear from you.

1447
01:09:37,412 --> 01:09:39,173
Speaker 2: Of course, this one big problem is going to be

1448
01:09:39,213 --> 01:09:41,572
Speaker 2: employers in the future that have been taught through the

1449
01:09:41,612 --> 01:09:44,612
Speaker 2: current system won't understand the percentages a school level will

1450
01:09:44,652 --> 01:09:46,133
Speaker 2: go for a job and put on their CV that

1451
01:09:46,812 --> 01:09:49,812
Speaker 2: achieved sixty five percent. The person alreadiot won't know what

1452
01:09:49,812 --> 01:09:53,213
Speaker 2: that means. I'll just unpack that one.

1453
01:09:53,293 --> 01:09:55,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to think about that one. It is

1454
01:09:55,612 --> 01:09:56,452
Speaker 3: sixteen to three.

1455
01:09:57,572 --> 01:10:00,732
Speaker 1: Matt heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

1456
01:10:00,853 --> 01:10:03,772
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams

1457
01:10:03,812 --> 01:10:05,973
Speaker 1: Afternoons News TALKSV.

1458
01:10:07,853 --> 01:10:08,053
Speaker 6: News.

1459
01:10:08,492 --> 01:10:10,652
Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon till you're having a great

1460
01:10:10,652 --> 01:10:15,213
Speaker 3: discussion about changes to NCA and subjects that you'd like

1461
01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:17,372
Speaker 3: to see taught at the secondary school level. There's big

1462
01:10:17,372 --> 01:10:20,692
Speaker 3: discussion about what subjects to bring in, talk of using

1463
01:10:20,772 --> 01:10:22,333
Speaker 3: industry experts. What do you say?

1464
01:10:22,612 --> 01:10:25,532
Speaker 2: Kelly says, I just feel so sorry for this current

1465
01:10:25,532 --> 01:10:28,333
Speaker 2: crop of teens. They've had everything stacked against them, COVID,

1466
01:10:28,372 --> 01:10:31,172
Speaker 2: the rise of social media, and a subpart education system

1467
01:10:31,452 --> 01:10:33,612
Speaker 2: which there was some way to recompense them.

1468
01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:35,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot appearance that we feel in that.

1469
01:10:35,933 --> 01:10:40,892
Speaker 2: Preparations kids that have gone through school in the twenty

1470
01:10:41,293 --> 01:10:45,333
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen onwards a grand a year maybe, Yeah, Christian,

1471
01:10:45,372 --> 01:10:46,333
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

1472
01:10:47,253 --> 01:10:47,732
Speaker 10: Hey good?

1473
01:10:47,732 --> 01:10:48,532
Speaker 7: How are you mate?

1474
01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:48,812
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1475
01:10:48,933 --> 01:10:50,692
Speaker 3: Very good. So you're a good person to chat to.

1476
01:10:50,772 --> 01:10:52,532
Speaker 3: You're a young man twenty six and you've got a

1477
01:10:52,572 --> 01:10:53,933
Speaker 3: couple of kids, yes.

1478
01:10:54,253 --> 01:10:56,972
Speaker 10: Yes, two young ones under fives yep.

1479
01:10:57,013 --> 01:11:00,133
Speaker 3: And what's your thoughts about subjects that could be taught

1480
01:11:00,133 --> 01:11:02,253
Speaker 3: at school once they hit secondary.

1481
01:11:02,893 --> 01:11:07,532
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's the best iderea of personally. So

1482
01:11:07,652 --> 01:11:11,812
Speaker 10: I went through my whole schooling career working my mud off,

1483
01:11:12,133 --> 01:11:15,052
Speaker 10: you know, trying to stay on top straight excellences. Everything,

1484
01:11:16,093 --> 01:11:18,652
Speaker 10: did that up until year twelve and then started year

1485
01:11:18,692 --> 01:11:21,852
Speaker 10: thirteen and then realized that it just wasn't for me.

1486
01:11:21,973 --> 01:11:24,333
Speaker 10: And then I wanted to get into the trades, wanted

1487
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:26,892
Speaker 10: to go work with my father and his business and whatnot.

1488
01:11:26,973 --> 01:11:31,012
Speaker 10: So I ended up leaving school work, working real hard,

1489
01:11:31,612 --> 01:11:35,973
Speaker 10: doing my thing, set my family up and whatnot. But

1490
01:11:36,133 --> 01:11:39,253
Speaker 10: my thing is that I'm a gamer. I play video games,

1491
01:11:39,893 --> 01:11:42,772
Speaker 10: and my dreams always have been developed them. But there's

1492
01:11:42,812 --> 01:11:45,213
Speaker 10: never been that type of avenue at school that they've offered.

1493
01:11:45,253 --> 01:11:49,093
Speaker 10: They've never offered any type of it. I mean, they

1494
01:11:49,133 --> 01:11:51,093
Speaker 10: do a little bit of it stuff at schools, but

1495
01:11:51,572 --> 01:11:56,012
Speaker 10: nothing in that sort of realm. So I just think

1496
01:11:56,133 --> 01:12:02,652
Speaker 10: that we had more creative opportunities for children to go into,

1497
01:12:03,893 --> 01:12:07,892
Speaker 10: it would just be a much better thing, especially young people,

1498
01:12:07,893 --> 01:12:09,253
Speaker 10: because no one knows what they want to do.

1499
01:12:09,293 --> 01:12:09,532
Speaker 19: When the.

1500
01:12:11,893 --> 01:12:15,133
Speaker 2: What when did you work out what you wanted to do? Question?

1501
01:12:15,692 --> 01:12:17,612
Speaker 4: Last year? Right?

1502
01:12:17,933 --> 01:12:21,932
Speaker 2: But I mean you are still you're still so young though,

1503
01:12:22,893 --> 01:12:23,333
Speaker 2: twenty seven.

1504
01:12:23,492 --> 01:12:25,973
Speaker 10: And that's the thing. I don't even know it is

1505
01:12:26,013 --> 01:12:28,852
Speaker 10: what I mean. I know what my passion is making games,

1506
01:12:28,973 --> 01:12:31,932
Speaker 10: That's what I do, but I've never had an ability

1507
01:12:32,013 --> 01:12:34,932
Speaker 10: to pursue that as a career. It will never offered

1508
01:12:34,973 --> 01:12:39,253
Speaker 10: anything like that. Yeah, So it took me to become

1509
01:12:39,253 --> 01:12:43,253
Speaker 10: a mature adult to realize that I actually can pursue

1510
01:12:43,293 --> 01:12:43,932
Speaker 10: these things.

1511
01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:44,253
Speaker 11: On my own.

1512
01:12:44,492 --> 01:12:45,812
Speaker 4: But it's on my own.

1513
01:12:45,973 --> 01:12:49,932
Speaker 10: I've had no support or anything from schooling in that regard.

1514
01:12:51,253 --> 01:12:53,892
Speaker 10: So I just think more more opportunity for kids.

1515
01:12:54,053 --> 01:12:56,173
Speaker 2: It's interesting we had that text before that said that

1516
01:12:56,412 --> 01:12:58,333
Speaker 2: their daughter how old she? I think she was fourteen

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01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:01,253
Speaker 2: and she decided she wanted to be a mortician. It's

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01:13:01,452 --> 01:13:03,333
Speaker 2: you know, you when do you find out what you

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01:13:03,372 --> 01:13:05,333
Speaker 2: want to be in life? The idea that you can

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01:13:05,372 --> 01:13:12,293
Speaker 2: make a decision when you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, it's pretty tough,

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01:13:12,372 --> 01:13:14,253
Speaker 2: the idea that you would and you know that you

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01:13:14,253 --> 01:13:16,372
Speaker 2: would do that for the rest of your life. Lock

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01:13:16,452 --> 01:13:18,732
Speaker 2: yourself in. I mean, you're such a different person when

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01:13:18,772 --> 01:13:20,612
Speaker 2: you were your age Christian than you were when you

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01:13:20,652 --> 01:13:22,053
Speaker 2: were seventeen.

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Speaker 10: Oh one hundred percent. I mean I had so many

1527
01:13:24,612 --> 01:13:27,333
Speaker 10: different desperations back then, but now having children, you know,

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01:13:27,412 --> 01:13:31,133
Speaker 10: my main goal is to build a future, and that's

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01:13:31,213 --> 01:13:34,013
Speaker 10: not something that was really encouraged when I was in

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01:13:34,093 --> 01:13:37,293
Speaker 10: school either. You know, that wasn't something that was talked about.

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01:13:37,372 --> 01:13:38,452
Speaker 4: It was more just a.

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01:13:38,372 --> 01:13:40,652
Speaker 10: Push to get into university. And that was it.

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01:13:40,933 --> 01:13:42,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, got the cutest little voice going on in the

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01:13:42,853 --> 01:13:44,213
Speaker 2: background there, Christian.

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01:13:44,133 --> 01:13:46,213
Speaker 10: I thank you. Got my young man here about to

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01:13:46,253 --> 01:13:47,652
Speaker 10: go pick up daughter from the school.

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01:13:48,133 --> 01:13:48,812
Speaker 3: You're a lucky man.

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01:13:48,853 --> 01:13:49,412
Speaker 10: Did you go in?

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01:13:51,253 --> 01:13:53,093
Speaker 3: But that is a great point though, I mean, he

1540
01:13:53,133 --> 01:13:54,973
Speaker 3: talked about gaming there. But that's what I worry with

1541
01:13:55,013 --> 01:13:56,932
Speaker 3: the schooling system as we have now, does it really

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01:13:57,053 --> 01:13:59,933
Speaker 3: keep up with the world real world. Back when I

1543
01:13:59,973 --> 01:14:01,892
Speaker 3: was in high school, I was still teaching Excel and

1544
01:14:01,933 --> 01:14:03,852
Speaker 3: the world had moved on far from Excel.

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01:14:03,853 --> 01:14:07,572
Speaker 2: At that point, my son just finished making his first

1546
01:14:07,612 --> 01:14:09,452
Speaker 2: game for Class US year eleven.

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01:14:09,572 --> 01:14:10,812
Speaker 3: Love it. It was out there.

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01:14:10,853 --> 01:14:14,333
Speaker 2: What about typing class? Is this still such a thing

1549
01:14:14,333 --> 01:14:15,532
Speaker 2: as type I hope not.

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01:14:15,612 --> 01:14:17,612
Speaker 3: I'm still traumatized by bloody typing class.

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01:14:17,893 --> 01:14:19,972
Speaker 2: I think at my intermediate there was a room you'd

1552
01:14:19,973 --> 01:14:21,492
Speaker 2: walk past and everyone's going tic tic tic tic, tic,

1553
01:14:21,572 --> 01:14:22,013
Speaker 2: tac tic tic.

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01:14:22,253 --> 01:14:25,053
Speaker 3: Seventy words per minute. Right, it is nine to three

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01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:26,572
Speaker 3: when we come back. More of your calls. O eight,

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01:14:26,572 --> 01:14:28,133
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to

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01:14:28,213 --> 01:14:30,692
Speaker 3: call the issues that affect you.

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01:14:31,013 --> 01:14:33,213
Speaker 1: And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath

1559
01:14:33,293 --> 01:14:35,532
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons news.

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01:14:35,452 --> 01:14:39,253
Speaker 3: Talk said, be yes, it is seven to three.

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01:14:39,452 --> 01:14:42,093
Speaker 2: I asked my daughter's head of department for math a

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01:14:42,213 --> 01:14:44,293
Speaker 2: year or so ago to give us abcentage in her

1563
01:14:44,333 --> 01:14:46,253
Speaker 2: mass so it's easy to see how she is progressing.

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01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:48,452
Speaker 2: Her reply was, I'm not asking my teachers to market.

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01:14:48,492 --> 01:14:50,612
Speaker 2: Twice I tried to explain that that must already have

1566
01:14:50,732 --> 01:14:52,973
Speaker 2: that and FO available once they have marked it. She

1567
01:14:53,053 --> 01:14:55,053
Speaker 2: also said that's how it's been for the last twenty years,

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01:14:55,133 --> 01:14:57,492
Speaker 2: meaning they were right and I was wrong. At that stage,

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01:14:57,532 --> 01:14:59,372
Speaker 2: I didn't know for the last twenty years the education

1570
01:14:59,452 --> 01:15:02,452
Speaker 2: system had deteriorated so much. Every parent should be happy

1571
01:15:02,572 --> 01:15:06,013
Speaker 2: about these changes. This textas says, school is not there

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01:15:06,053 --> 01:15:07,933
Speaker 2: to give every child a career. They are there to

1573
01:15:08,053 --> 01:15:10,532
Speaker 2: sit them up with the skills and basics to be

1574
01:15:10,612 --> 01:15:12,372
Speaker 2: able to go into the world and have a broad

1575
01:15:12,452 --> 01:15:17,532
Speaker 2: base they can draw from. Jenny, welcome to the show.

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01:15:19,532 --> 01:15:19,893
Speaker 2: How are you.

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01:15:21,213 --> 01:15:21,572
Speaker 4: I'm good.

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01:15:21,652 --> 01:15:21,972
Speaker 6: Thanks.

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01:15:22,853 --> 01:15:26,293
Speaker 2: You've got a daughter going through C one under NCAA.

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01:15:28,532 --> 01:15:29,572
Speaker 6: Now I had a daughter.

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01:15:30,412 --> 01:15:33,093
Speaker 22: They were born in eighty five and eighty six, so

1582
01:15:33,532 --> 01:15:38,293
Speaker 22: at the last year of my oldest daughter went through

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01:15:38,692 --> 01:15:43,492
Speaker 22: past the six subjects. Great my youngest daughter, who actually

1584
01:15:43,732 --> 01:15:49,173
Speaker 22: at primary, was in the top two of an Australasian

1585
01:15:49,652 --> 01:15:55,652
Speaker 22: Mathematician contest or whatever it was. She was the first

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01:15:55,772 --> 01:15:59,532
Speaker 22: year of NCAA and didn't pass because they applied to

1587
01:15:59,652 --> 01:16:02,652
Speaker 22: different practices and they weren't even sure about it.

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01:16:03,372 --> 01:16:06,492
Speaker 7: So for me, having been a.

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01:16:06,572 --> 01:16:11,492
Speaker 22: Parent and experiencing that, I actually believe that it needs

1590
01:16:11,532 --> 01:16:14,012
Speaker 22: to be scrubbed. N CEO, not six years.

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01:16:14,213 --> 01:16:15,133
Speaker 17: Let's just get rid of it.

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01:16:17,013 --> 01:16:21,852
Speaker 22: I was a training provider and promoted accreditation and moderation

1593
01:16:22,093 --> 01:16:25,572
Speaker 22: for n CEO, and the problem with n CEA has

1594
01:16:25,692 --> 01:16:28,973
Speaker 22: been it's never been applied in the way it was

1595
01:16:29,093 --> 01:16:29,532
Speaker 22: meant to be.

1596
01:16:31,013 --> 01:16:33,732
Speaker 17: And it's two has got lazy.

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01:16:34,452 --> 01:16:37,093
Speaker 22: They just assessed against a unit standard. They taught a

1598
01:16:37,213 --> 01:16:39,932
Speaker 22: unit standard. It was never meant to be that way,

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01:16:41,812 --> 01:16:45,092
Speaker 22: and so I think sooner than later get.

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Speaker 4: Rid of it.

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01:16:45,933 --> 01:16:46,612
Speaker 17: Wrote six years.

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01:16:47,572 --> 01:16:49,372
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Genny. A lot of people are

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01:16:49,412 --> 01:16:52,213
Speaker 3: saying that as well. Thank you very much for your

1604
01:16:52,293 --> 01:16:54,933
Speaker 3: phone call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1605
01:16:54,973 --> 01:16:57,133
Speaker 3: the number to call, but a couple of texts to

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01:16:57,372 --> 01:17:01,572
Speaker 3: the news so school, this is great news. I'm a

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01:17:01,732 --> 01:17:05,572
Speaker 3: parent and the former system was far superior and to

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01:17:05,772 --> 01:17:09,093
Speaker 3: what we've got now. Unfortunately, the flexibility between schools was

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01:17:09,133 --> 01:17:11,812
Speaker 3: problematic and confusion confusing for teachers, and.

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01:17:11,853 --> 01:17:13,692
Speaker 2: The six is Hey, guys, the real focus should also

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01:17:13,732 --> 01:17:16,612
Speaker 2: be now on primary school curriculum to lift numeracy and

1612
01:17:16,692 --> 01:17:20,532
Speaker 2: reading skills, to pray pupils for secondary school more adequately. Yeah.

1613
01:17:20,572 --> 01:17:22,733
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you look at that longitudinal

1614
01:17:22,772 --> 01:17:27,972
Speaker 2: study out of Otago that the sooner you can help kids,

1615
01:17:28,372 --> 01:17:30,852
Speaker 2: the better chances they have through the rest of their life.

1616
01:17:30,973 --> 01:17:35,133
Speaker 2: So a lot of resources invested young. It's something that

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01:17:35,253 --> 01:17:36,532
Speaker 2: we need to look at as well.

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01:17:36,732 --> 01:17:39,892
Speaker 3: Great chat, though, fantastic chat. Thank it everyone who phoned

1619
01:17:39,973 --> 01:17:42,492
Speaker 3: and called on that one. Coming up after three o'clock.

1620
01:17:42,532 --> 01:17:45,253
Speaker 3: The rise of botox has gone from a niche beauty

1621
01:17:45,293 --> 01:17:47,693
Speaker 3: treatment to a blockbuster phenomenon.

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01:17:47,853 --> 01:17:49,133
Speaker 2: Why what does it even do?

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01:17:49,492 --> 01:17:49,692
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:17:50,173 --> 01:17:52,333
Speaker 2: Does that hook? He as if you've got a wrinkly forehead?

1625
01:17:53,412 --> 01:17:56,372
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty DN eighty. If you've recently had botox,

1626
01:17:56,412 --> 01:17:57,173
Speaker 3: we'd love to hear from you.

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01:17:57,293 --> 01:17:58,972
Speaker 2: Why is it just getting more and more popular?

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01:17:59,173 --> 01:18:00,692
Speaker 3: News, sport and weather on its way?

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01:18:05,692 --> 01:18:10,293
Speaker 1: You're on you home, are Instateful and it's Matty and

1630
01:18:10,532 --> 01:18:13,692
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk SEV.

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01:18:14,452 --> 01:18:17,173
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Welcome back. It is seven past three.

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01:18:17,293 --> 01:18:20,092
Speaker 3: So botox it has gone from a niche beauty treatment

1633
01:18:20,133 --> 01:18:24,053
Speaker 3: to a blockbuster phenomenon. Its use is almost doubled from

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01:18:24,133 --> 01:18:27,893
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen to twenty twenty five and is now accessible

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01:18:27,933 --> 01:18:29,932
Speaker 3: to anyone with a few hundred dollars and a dream

1636
01:18:30,093 --> 01:18:31,293
Speaker 3: of lime free skin.

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01:18:31,692 --> 01:18:31,932
Speaker 4: Yees.

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01:18:32,133 --> 01:18:35,213
Speaker 2: So it's mainstream and people are saying liking it to

1639
01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:38,253
Speaker 2: just a manicure, manicure or a haircut. But I don't

1640
01:18:38,293 --> 01:18:41,852
Speaker 2: get it. I've asked lots of people why they do it.

1641
01:18:42,973 --> 01:18:45,892
Speaker 2: So paralyzes part of your face, but to what end?

1642
01:18:46,293 --> 01:18:48,852
Speaker 2: Why is a paralyzed face better than a non paralyzed face.

1643
01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:51,692
Speaker 3: It's a good question, and joining us right now to

1644
01:18:51,812 --> 01:18:54,972
Speaker 3: hopefully answer that is doctor Sarah hartch is a cosmetic

1645
01:18:55,013 --> 01:18:59,692
Speaker 3: doctor with almost twenty years experience. Doctor Hart, very good afternoon,

1646
01:18:59,732 --> 01:19:00,772
Speaker 3: she thanks for joining us.

1647
01:19:01,933 --> 01:19:04,652
Speaker 23: Oh, thanks for having me on. That's a great question

1648
01:19:04,772 --> 01:19:05,612
Speaker 23: that you're asking there.

1649
01:19:06,532 --> 01:19:10,772
Speaker 2: Well, let's start right at the basics, Sarah, what is botox?

1650
01:19:12,013 --> 01:19:12,053
Speaker 1: So?

1651
01:19:12,333 --> 01:19:16,653
Speaker 23: Botox is a protein that is produced by a bacteria

1652
01:19:16,732 --> 01:19:20,372
Speaker 23: that lives in our soil called Claustralian botulinum, and a

1653
01:19:20,572 --> 01:19:23,852
Speaker 23: very clever man discovers how to purify that and use

1654
01:19:23,893 --> 01:19:27,452
Speaker 23: it in tiny amounts to relax muscles many many years ago.

1655
01:19:28,492 --> 01:19:30,572
Speaker 2: So what I don't get about that is does it

1656
01:19:30,652 --> 01:19:34,133
Speaker 2: get rid of wrinkles or does it just stop making

1657
01:19:34,333 --> 01:19:36,293
Speaker 2: more wrinkles? Stop you making more wrinkles.

1658
01:19:37,452 --> 01:19:39,812
Speaker 23: Well, it actually gets rid of wrinkles. And it was

1659
01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:43,253
Speaker 23: first discovered that it could do this by was an

1660
01:19:43,293 --> 01:19:46,732
Speaker 23: opthalmologist using it to treat spasms around the eye, and

1661
01:19:46,893 --> 01:19:49,492
Speaker 23: her patients came back going, oh my god, this stuff

1662
01:19:49,612 --> 01:19:51,692
Speaker 23: is great. This just made me look really happy. I

1663
01:19:51,732 --> 01:19:53,972
Speaker 23: don't have brown lines anymore. Can I have a little

1664
01:19:53,973 --> 01:19:55,932
Speaker 23: bit more of it on the other eye type thing?

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01:19:56,293 --> 01:19:56,452
Speaker 5: Right?

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01:19:56,692 --> 01:20:00,293
Speaker 23: And she thought her husband was a dermatologist and she

1667
01:20:00,412 --> 01:20:04,012
Speaker 23: thought this is interesting, and so she ended up treating

1668
01:20:04,213 --> 01:20:08,093
Speaker 23: patients around that area just for wrinkles and did a

1669
01:20:08,093 --> 01:20:11,612
Speaker 23: great study that compared it with salty water and showed

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01:20:11,652 --> 01:20:13,892
Speaker 23: that the botox made a big difference for the wrinkles

1671
01:20:13,933 --> 01:20:17,492
Speaker 23: compared to us just injecting salty water. And that is

1672
01:20:17,612 --> 01:20:19,972
Speaker 23: when it was born to treat prinkles.

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01:20:20,372 --> 01:20:22,612
Speaker 2: Wow. And so you say around the eyes, because I've

1674
01:20:22,612 --> 01:20:25,253
Speaker 2: always thought forehead is where people go, but we're on

1675
01:20:25,333 --> 01:20:27,253
Speaker 2: the face. You can have the forehead around the eyes

1676
01:20:27,572 --> 01:20:30,132
Speaker 2: wherever these rings as Yeah, well yes.

1677
01:20:30,013 --> 01:20:33,053
Speaker 23: So it's interesting. So for many many years, about twenty years,

1678
01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:36,333
Speaker 23: it's only been approved for useful frown lines, fore headlines

1679
01:20:36,412 --> 01:20:39,692
Speaker 23: and crow feet, so as you say, upper face, foreheading

1680
01:20:39,812 --> 01:20:42,053
Speaker 23: and crow feet. But you know, just last week it

1681
01:20:42,093 --> 01:20:44,333
Speaker 23: actually got a proof for treating the neck as well

1682
01:20:44,452 --> 01:20:47,892
Speaker 23: in New Zealand, so first new use for cosmetic use

1683
01:20:48,013 --> 01:20:49,772
Speaker 23: approved in over twenty years.

1684
01:20:50,053 --> 01:20:51,612
Speaker 2: You get, do you get because you can get turkey

1685
01:20:51,692 --> 01:20:53,972
Speaker 2: neck like George Lucas, but do you get wrinkle neck

1686
01:20:54,013 --> 01:20:54,293
Speaker 2: as well?

1687
01:20:55,372 --> 01:20:55,572
Speaker 15: Well?

1688
01:20:55,973 --> 01:20:58,732
Speaker 23: And the neck? It's more it's approved for tretisa and

1689
01:20:58,812 --> 01:21:01,772
Speaker 23: treating the prominence of those bands on the neck. I

1690
01:21:01,772 --> 01:21:04,052
Speaker 23: don't know, did you ever watch Coronation Street with Deirdre

1691
01:21:04,812 --> 01:21:07,572
Speaker 23: She used to have these vertical bands on her neck.

1692
01:21:08,933 --> 01:21:12,333
Speaker 18: In the botox for can.

1693
01:21:12,293 --> 01:21:14,532
Speaker 2: You do as much as you wander? Does it get dangerous?

1694
01:21:14,532 --> 01:21:17,333
Speaker 2: Because you know it's paralyzing by your face and neck

1695
01:21:17,412 --> 01:21:19,812
Speaker 2: and eyes, and can you just blast it everywhere and

1696
01:21:19,933 --> 01:21:20,772
Speaker 2: as often as you want?

1697
01:21:21,933 --> 01:21:25,053
Speaker 23: Well, the amount that you're giving is ridiculously small. So

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01:21:25,253 --> 01:21:28,412
Speaker 23: one vial of botox hundred units of botox, which is

1699
01:21:28,492 --> 01:21:32,132
Speaker 23: more than enough to do five people's frowns as actually

1700
01:21:32,412 --> 01:21:35,852
Speaker 23: a quarter of a billionth of a gram of botox.

1701
01:21:35,973 --> 01:21:37,572
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so powerful.

1702
01:21:37,853 --> 01:21:41,372
Speaker 23: The amounts that we're putting in is ridiculously small, And

1703
01:21:41,452 --> 01:21:43,492
Speaker 23: the amounts that we put in for cosmetic is a

1704
01:21:43,612 --> 01:21:45,492
Speaker 23: lot less than amounts that you put in for what

1705
01:21:45,572 --> 01:21:49,253
Speaker 23: we call functional botox, so botox to stop dare grinding,

1706
01:21:49,492 --> 01:21:53,652
Speaker 23: for bladders, for neck spasms, for cerebral palsy, all of

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01:21:53,732 --> 01:21:56,893
Speaker 23: those much bigger body muscles have much larger doses of

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01:21:56,973 --> 01:21:58,893
Speaker 23: botox than what we're putting to the small muscles of

1709
01:21:58,973 --> 01:22:02,732
Speaker 23: the face. So relatively speaking, the dose that you use

1710
01:22:02,812 --> 01:22:05,253
Speaker 23: for cosmetic botox is smaller than you use the botox

1711
01:22:05,333 --> 01:22:06,652
Speaker 23: for all of the other uses it has.

1712
01:22:07,412 --> 01:22:10,052
Speaker 2: In this article and then New Zealand Herald, it's saying

1713
01:22:10,093 --> 01:22:12,452
Speaker 2: that it's become more and more mainstream and people are

1714
01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:15,852
Speaker 2: liking it to just getting a manicure or a haircut.

1715
01:22:16,612 --> 01:22:20,612
Speaker 2: Is that your experience? And secondly, are people proud of

1716
01:22:21,053 --> 01:22:24,612
Speaker 2: getting botox now? Is it losing its I guess stigma?

1717
01:22:25,893 --> 01:22:26,093
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1718
01:22:26,133 --> 01:22:29,253
Speaker 23: Look, I think that there is a trend towards trivialization

1719
01:22:29,333 --> 01:22:31,492
Speaker 23: of botox that I think is not a good one.

1720
01:22:31,853 --> 01:22:34,972
Speaker 23: This is a prescription medicine. This is a powerful drug.

1721
01:22:35,492 --> 01:22:39,053
Speaker 23: If it's used wrongly, it can cause side effects. I

1722
01:22:39,133 --> 01:22:41,412
Speaker 23: think the thing that would concern me the most is

1723
01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:48,853
Speaker 23: the providers that are basically dodgy and overseas in Australia

1724
01:22:48,933 --> 01:22:53,372
Speaker 23: and in the UK, people have got botulism from providers

1725
01:22:53,412 --> 01:22:58,572
Speaker 23: that are not registered using unregistered formulations, not botox, but

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01:22:58,732 --> 01:23:02,612
Speaker 23: some kind of counterfeit copy and inadvertently giving someone a

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01:23:02,652 --> 01:23:05,972
Speaker 23: thousand times more than they should and those people ending

1728
01:23:06,053 --> 01:23:09,333
Speaker 23: up with botulism. So it you know, you do want

1729
01:23:09,372 --> 01:23:11,213
Speaker 23: to be careful about who you go to. You do

1730
01:23:11,412 --> 01:23:14,372
Speaker 23: want to go to someone that has good training and

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01:23:14,532 --> 01:23:18,013
Speaker 23: that is, you know, a healthcare professional. You don't want

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Speaker 23: to be going to botops parties. You know, it's something

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01:23:22,333 --> 01:23:27,172
Speaker 23: that you yeah, yeah, And I do think the stigma

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01:23:27,213 --> 01:23:30,093
Speaker 23: has decreased markedly over the years. You know, when I

1735
01:23:30,173 --> 01:23:35,093
Speaker 23: first started doing these treatments twenty plus years ago, people

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01:23:35,173 --> 01:23:39,572
Speaker 23: were super secretive about it, and then gradually with each

1737
01:23:39,893 --> 01:23:44,732
Speaker 23: successive generation they've become less secretive. And I liken it

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01:23:45,013 --> 01:23:47,532
Speaker 23: to how women used to talk about having their hair

1739
01:23:47,572 --> 01:23:50,252
Speaker 23: colored and they used to be like for the boomers,

1740
01:23:50,293 --> 01:23:52,053
Speaker 23: they used to wisper, Oh my god, she's like not

1741
01:23:52,133 --> 01:23:55,053
Speaker 23: a natural blonde, and they'd be mortified if someone knew

1742
01:23:55,053 --> 01:23:58,013
Speaker 23: they color their hair. But me, as a gen X,

1743
01:23:58,293 --> 01:24:00,612
Speaker 23: I really don't care if someone knows I color my hair,

1744
01:24:00,933 --> 01:24:04,133
Speaker 23: and just it's become normalized and no longer something that

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01:24:04,293 --> 01:24:09,652
Speaker 23: is scandalous or stigmatized. And so depending on generation you're treating,

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01:24:10,133 --> 01:24:15,732
Speaker 23: my older generation, definitely it's definitely something private, much less

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01:24:15,772 --> 01:24:17,372
Speaker 23: so with my younger generation patients.

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01:24:17,772 --> 01:24:20,213
Speaker 3: As a doctor, let's talk about the younger generation. Do

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01:24:20,333 --> 01:24:23,572
Speaker 3: you see genuinely that to me, it just feels a

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01:24:23,612 --> 01:24:26,412
Speaker 3: bit weird that people in their twenties will come in

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01:24:26,652 --> 01:24:29,612
Speaker 3: to get this botox injection to get rid of lines

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01:24:29,652 --> 01:24:32,812
Speaker 3: that arguably at that age they yet to encounter. Is

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01:24:32,853 --> 01:24:34,852
Speaker 3: that what you're seeing that the younger generation are coming

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01:24:34,893 --> 01:24:35,852
Speaker 3: into these sort of treatments.

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01:24:36,853 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 23: Well, not to me, I personally have my patient peakers

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01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:46,572
Speaker 23: fifty four. Fifty to fifty four is the top of

1757
01:24:46,612 --> 01:24:49,932
Speaker 23: my bell curve for patients, which matches my age. But look,

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01:24:50,093 --> 01:24:52,692
Speaker 23: I do have had patients in the early twenties come in.

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01:24:52,812 --> 01:24:56,133
Speaker 23: I had one lovely lady come in who said, I

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01:24:56,213 --> 01:24:58,412
Speaker 23: want bowtops and I said, why you've got no lines?

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01:24:58,492 --> 01:24:59,852
Speaker 23: And she said, well, all my friends are doing. I

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01:24:59,933 --> 01:25:02,412
Speaker 23: think that I should, and it was really important that

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01:25:02,492 --> 01:25:05,253
Speaker 23: I educated her that there is no need to do

1764
01:25:05,333 --> 01:25:08,532
Speaker 23: botox when you do not have a line, you know,

1765
01:25:09,213 --> 01:25:12,812
Speaker 23: starting early in your early twenties in my opinion too early.

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01:25:14,053 --> 01:25:16,693
Speaker 23: I do have the occasional patient in the mid twenties

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01:25:16,853 --> 01:25:20,412
Speaker 23: who has a very strong familial line, who already has

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01:25:20,452 --> 01:25:23,532
Speaker 23: a line at rest. I think that's reasonable to treat,

1769
01:25:23,612 --> 01:25:26,412
Speaker 23: but usually they don't need anything but the smallest dose.

1770
01:25:27,532 --> 01:25:30,812
Speaker 23: But people thinking that it's essential to start early and

1771
01:25:30,853 --> 01:25:34,053
Speaker 23: it's somehow magically going to stop their face aging that

1772
01:25:34,213 --> 01:25:37,772
Speaker 23: needs to be put to rest, because you know it

1773
01:25:37,893 --> 01:25:40,692
Speaker 23: can triase a line when the line has come. You

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01:25:40,772 --> 01:25:43,572
Speaker 23: don't need to start before the line comes. And I

1775
01:25:43,732 --> 01:25:45,972
Speaker 23: just think it's a waste of money for the younger generation.

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01:25:46,253 --> 01:25:49,372
Speaker 23: They really don't need to be doing large doses of

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01:25:49,412 --> 01:25:50,852
Speaker 23: botox in their early twenties.

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01:25:51,452 --> 01:25:54,133
Speaker 2: What about men? The men getting botox. I'm looking at

1779
01:25:54,173 --> 01:25:56,173
Speaker 2: Tita's face and it looks like a leather handbag that's

1780
01:25:56,173 --> 01:25:58,692
Speaker 2: been left out in the rain. Could I get I've

1781
01:25:58,732 --> 01:26:01,053
Speaker 2: had a hard line. I get a voucher for a

1782
01:26:01,173 --> 01:26:02,972
Speaker 2: thirty eight year old Tyler to get his face done,

1783
01:26:03,013 --> 01:26:04,652
Speaker 2: so I don't have to look at this wrinkly mess

1784
01:26:04,692 --> 01:26:05,053
Speaker 2: over there.

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01:26:05,853 --> 01:26:08,213
Speaker 23: Well, here's a much more appropriate age, so that would

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01:26:08,213 --> 01:26:11,732
Speaker 23: be But in terms of men, so it's really interesting.

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01:26:11,812 --> 01:26:12,972
Speaker 23: I asked some of my questions.

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01:26:13,093 --> 01:26:14,772
Speaker 3: Just quickly go and help you us here. It's going

1789
01:26:14,812 --> 01:26:16,213
Speaker 3: to be a tough ass, but carry on.

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01:26:17,452 --> 01:26:18,093
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of.

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01:26:18,093 --> 01:26:22,732
Speaker 23: Botox, So I've got three percent male patients. I've got

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01:26:22,812 --> 01:26:25,532
Speaker 23: colleagues who have five percent. My male colleagues tend to

1793
01:26:25,572 --> 01:26:28,053
Speaker 23: have about twenty percent. But a lot of them also

1794
01:26:28,173 --> 01:26:31,213
Speaker 23: also injectibles like PRP for hair loss, so they're doing

1795
01:26:31,253 --> 01:26:34,372
Speaker 23: hair loss as well. So look, it's still botox is

1796
01:26:34,492 --> 01:26:38,412
Speaker 23: still absolutely a minority for males. It's still way more

1797
01:26:38,452 --> 01:26:42,053
Speaker 23: popular for women. Males are generally much more interested in

1798
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:46,492
Speaker 23: hair loss and jawline, which botox has much less of

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01:26:46,612 --> 01:26:50,612
Speaker 23: an activity in that area. For women, we still want

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01:26:50,692 --> 01:26:53,572
Speaker 23: that smooth, feminine looking skin, you know, smooth skin as

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01:26:53,612 --> 01:26:56,933
Speaker 23: seen as feminine. Men can have deep crows feet, you know,

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01:26:57,133 --> 01:27:00,012
Speaker 23: remember Sean Connery, You know that crinkle around the eye.

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01:27:00,692 --> 01:27:07,212
Speaker 23: So from a skin smoothness point of view, it's generally

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01:27:07,333 --> 01:27:10,052
Speaker 23: perceived as less important for men to have smooth skin.

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01:27:10,692 --> 01:27:11,173
Speaker 6: But I do.

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01:27:11,692 --> 01:27:14,772
Speaker 23: I definitely have male patients who really appreciate not having

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01:27:14,973 --> 01:27:19,333
Speaker 23: Gordon Ramsey lines in their forehead, you know, so there's

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01:27:19,412 --> 01:27:20,652
Speaker 23: definitely a place for it.

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01:27:21,013 --> 01:27:24,093
Speaker 2: No exactly what you mean by Gordon Ramsey life. We're

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01:27:24,532 --> 01:27:29,172
Speaker 2: talking to doctor Sarah Hart. Now, what's the difference between

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01:27:29,412 --> 01:27:33,372
Speaker 2: filler and botox? Because you know the lips, the Kimcardessian

1812
01:27:33,452 --> 01:27:36,133
Speaker 2: lips and that kind of thing. Is that different from botox?

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01:27:37,452 --> 01:27:37,732
Speaker 7: You know what?

1814
01:27:37,853 --> 01:27:41,013
Speaker 23: Completely different? The only similarity between them is that you

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01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:43,293
Speaker 23: use them to approve appearance and that you inject them.

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01:27:43,692 --> 01:27:47,213
Speaker 23: So phill is a gel that you physically inject into

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01:27:47,253 --> 01:27:50,853
Speaker 23: the tissue to change the contour. So it's a carbohydrate,

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01:27:51,053 --> 01:27:53,772
Speaker 23: whereas botox is a protein and most fillers are made

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01:27:53,812 --> 01:27:59,612
Speaker 23: from hyleronic acid. And so the fillers more about changing contour.

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01:28:00,013 --> 01:28:02,612
Speaker 23: I mean, you can use a very dilute version of

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01:28:02,652 --> 01:28:05,893
Speaker 23: a filler to improve skin hydration and fine lines, and

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01:28:05,933 --> 01:28:09,212
Speaker 23: then they're called a skin booster. But phil are generally

1823
01:28:09,372 --> 01:28:13,452
Speaker 23: to projected cheek make a look bigger projected chin, So

1824
01:28:13,492 --> 01:28:15,972
Speaker 23: it's about contour rather than wrinkles.

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01:28:16,692 --> 01:28:19,772
Speaker 2: Are they better and worse botox? People? Because my mate

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01:28:19,812 --> 01:28:22,012
Speaker 2: won't let his wife, well, he won't pick his wife

1827
01:28:22,053 --> 01:28:24,053
Speaker 2: up from the botox anymore because he says, she looks

1828
01:28:24,093 --> 01:28:25,692
Speaker 2: like she's been stung by bees?

1829
01:28:26,412 --> 01:28:26,812
Speaker 6: So are they?

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01:28:27,772 --> 01:28:29,852
Speaker 2: Are there people that are better and worse at doing it?

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01:28:30,812 --> 01:28:34,213
Speaker 23: Yeah? Look, so I would say there's different styles of

1832
01:28:34,293 --> 01:28:37,253
Speaker 23: doing it, so that it's possible to do botops and

1833
01:28:37,293 --> 01:28:40,293
Speaker 23: fill it in a style it's incredibly natural, and generally

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01:28:40,372 --> 01:28:42,933
Speaker 23: you'd be using smaller doses and you're stopping before you

1835
01:28:43,093 --> 01:28:45,612
Speaker 23: change the contour too much, so you can usefully to

1836
01:28:45,812 --> 01:28:50,333
Speaker 23: support lost volume under the skin rather than create too

1837
01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:54,412
Speaker 23: much change. But then there's also a trend more the

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01:28:54,492 --> 01:29:00,333
Speaker 23: Instagram can Kardashian trend of changing the face or glamorizing

1839
01:29:00,412 --> 01:29:04,612
Speaker 23: the face, and some providers prefer that approach. So it's

1840
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:07,492
Speaker 23: really important to pick a provider that has a similar

1841
01:29:07,532 --> 01:29:11,133
Speaker 23: aesthetic to you and their goal of treatment is in

1842
01:29:11,253 --> 01:29:12,372
Speaker 23: line with what you're wanting.

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01:29:12,732 --> 01:29:14,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can get stung by bees for free,

1844
01:29:14,732 --> 01:29:16,452
Speaker 2: you don't need to pay for that one if that's

1845
01:29:16,452 --> 01:29:17,012
Speaker 2: what you're into.

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01:29:17,772 --> 01:29:22,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sarah, Yeah, Sarah, thank you very much for your expertise.

1847
01:29:22,973 --> 01:29:25,293
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it and we'll catch up soon.

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01:29:26,253 --> 01:29:26,932
Speaker 23: Yep, my pleasure.

1849
01:29:26,973 --> 01:29:28,732
Speaker 3: I love you to chat, all right, that is doctor

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01:29:28,812 --> 01:29:31,173
Speaker 3: Sarah Hart, cosmetic doctor. But Love to Hear from you.

1851
01:29:31,293 --> 01:29:33,692
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you get botox

1852
01:29:33,732 --> 01:29:36,093
Speaker 3: on a regular basis? What value do you get out

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01:29:36,133 --> 01:29:40,093
Speaker 3: of it? Male? Female, younger, maybe a little bit older.

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01:29:40,213 --> 01:29:41,732
Speaker 3: Really keen to have a chat with you. Oh eight

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01:29:41,812 --> 01:29:43,893
Speaker 3: hundred eighty teen eighty is the number to call. It

1856
01:29:44,053 --> 01:29:48,133
Speaker 3: is eighteen past three on us dog Zibby Afternoon. It

1857
01:29:48,253 --> 01:29:50,532
Speaker 3: is twenty one past three, and we're talking about the

1858
01:29:50,732 --> 01:29:53,532
Speaker 3: rise of the use of botox. It has doubled in

1859
01:29:53,652 --> 01:29:56,293
Speaker 3: terms of use from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty five.

1860
01:29:56,372 --> 01:29:59,692
Speaker 3: There's medical spars, botox bars popping up all over the show.

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01:29:59,812 --> 01:30:01,372
Speaker 3: Love to Hear from You on O one hundred eighty

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01:30:01,372 --> 01:30:03,492
Speaker 3: teen eighty If you use it, how disgusting.

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Speaker 5: Of you met?

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01:30:03,532 --> 01:30:05,812
Speaker 2: A woman can look like she wants to look. It's

1865
01:30:05,853 --> 01:30:08,133
Speaker 2: not for a husband to say she looks like she's

1866
01:30:08,173 --> 01:30:11,613
Speaker 2: been stung by bees. Disgusting.

1867
01:30:12,013 --> 01:30:12,852
Speaker 3: Well, it's honesty.

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01:30:13,333 --> 01:30:15,333
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean he came from a place. This is,

1869
01:30:15,572 --> 01:30:18,253
Speaker 2: you know, to clarify my my friend who said that

1870
01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:19,852
Speaker 2: his wife looked like she'd been stung by bees and

1871
01:30:19,853 --> 01:30:21,532
Speaker 2: he didn't want to pick her up from the botox

1872
01:30:21,572 --> 01:30:26,173
Speaker 2: clinic anymore. Yeah, his angle was that she and I

1873
01:30:26,213 --> 01:30:27,972
Speaker 2: don't know if it's botox now, maybe it was fuller

1874
01:30:28,492 --> 01:30:30,572
Speaker 2: because does botox make you look like you're stung by bees?

1875
01:30:30,612 --> 01:30:34,412
Speaker 2: Anyway can do it doesn't matter. He came from the

1876
01:30:34,412 --> 01:30:36,492
Speaker 2: place where you look beautiful to me, just the way

1877
01:30:36,572 --> 01:30:40,852
Speaker 2: you are, and he didn't like he felt didn't come

1878
01:30:40,933 --> 01:30:44,612
Speaker 2: from a bad place. He felt like he didn't recognize her,

1879
01:30:44,973 --> 01:30:46,732
Speaker 2: and it looked like she'd had an injury.

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01:30:46,973 --> 01:30:49,173
Speaker 3: I prefer you without the stuff that they're in jeeped

1881
01:30:49,173 --> 01:30:50,692
Speaker 3: in into your face to make it look like you've

1882
01:30:50,692 --> 01:30:51,052
Speaker 3: been stung.

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01:30:51,253 --> 01:30:54,133
Speaker 2: So I don't know what kind of botox senter she

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01:30:54,293 --> 01:30:57,652
Speaker 2: was going to, but you know maybe o Waite hundred

1885
01:30:58,093 --> 01:30:59,652
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty I have you come out looking like

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01:30:59,692 --> 01:31:02,612
Speaker 2: you've been stung by bees when you've had botox? Is

1887
01:31:03,013 --> 01:31:04,452
Speaker 2: that something that can it go wrong like that?

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01:31:04,692 --> 01:31:08,893
Speaker 3: Yeah? Eighty years the number of call I forgot to

1889
01:31:09,013 --> 01:31:11,933
Speaker 3: ask the good doctor. You're looking at some of these

1890
01:31:11,973 --> 01:31:14,173
Speaker 3: things coming through, which are amazing. What I forgot to

1891
01:31:14,253 --> 01:31:16,053
Speaker 3: ask a good doctor is how much the cost? I

1892
01:31:16,093 --> 01:31:17,812
Speaker 3: think it's around what a couple of hundred bucks to

1893
01:31:17,853 --> 01:31:20,612
Speaker 3: go in and get botox once once a couple of months.

1894
01:31:23,293 --> 01:31:25,372
Speaker 2: There's some great text Bridget, SOEs, you only have to

1895
01:31:25,412 --> 01:31:27,772
Speaker 2: look at the three Osborne women at Ozzie's funeral to

1896
01:31:27,812 --> 01:31:31,213
Speaker 2: see fillers and botox gone wrong, jeers Bridget.

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01:31:31,013 --> 01:31:33,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. I mean sometimes that looks a bit

1898
01:31:33,572 --> 01:31:37,572
Speaker 3: more than botox. But oh this is good, hey, guys,

1899
01:31:37,652 --> 01:31:39,973
Speaker 3: good interaction with the doctor about botox. Botox is a

1900
01:31:39,973 --> 01:31:43,333
Speaker 3: brand name for a substance to rise from botulism toxin

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01:31:43,372 --> 01:31:49,692
Speaker 3: and neurotoxic protein produced by the bacterium Clostridium bolnium, and

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01:31:49,853 --> 01:31:52,692
Speaker 3: can cause botulism if used inappropriately. Contrary to what the

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01:31:52,772 --> 01:31:55,813
Speaker 3: doctor said, botox does not cause botulism.

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01:31:56,933 --> 01:31:59,013
Speaker 2: So I one hundred and eighty ten eighty do you

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01:31:59,532 --> 01:32:01,972
Speaker 2: use botox? Says this is the story, and the Heroes

1906
01:32:02,053 --> 01:32:06,812
Speaker 2: suggests is this true? That botox is just so mainstream

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01:32:06,853 --> 01:32:09,612
Speaker 2: now it's like a manicure haircut and no one feels

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01:32:09,652 --> 01:32:12,093
Speaker 2: shame about doing it anymore. And the same way someone

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01:32:12,133 --> 01:32:14,692
Speaker 2: wouldn't go, I wouldn't try and hide the fact that

1910
01:32:14,732 --> 01:32:17,012
Speaker 2: they've gone to the barber to get their haircut. Yeah,

1911
01:32:17,532 --> 01:32:20,612
Speaker 2: this article saying that people feel like that about botox now,

1912
01:32:21,053 --> 01:32:24,052
Speaker 2: So one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you get botox?

1913
01:32:24,093 --> 01:32:24,732
Speaker 2: And are you proud?

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01:32:24,973 --> 01:32:25,173
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:32:25,452 --> 01:32:28,413
Speaker 2: And I'd love to hear from a man that gets botox. Absolutely,

1916
01:32:28,572 --> 01:32:31,572
Speaker 2: because Kate was saying that only three percent of your

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01:32:31,612 --> 01:32:32,813
Speaker 2: clients are males.

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01:32:33,173 --> 01:32:36,333
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be against having a cracket at botox. Would

1919
01:32:36,372 --> 01:32:39,172
Speaker 3: you ever give it a whirl? Just a wee injection?

1920
01:32:39,812 --> 01:32:41,372
Speaker 3: Maybe under those eyes of yours.

1921
01:32:42,452 --> 01:32:44,772
Speaker 2: I'm a male beehive worker. Do you think I would

1922
01:32:44,812 --> 01:32:47,012
Speaker 2: benefit from botox aggestion jections?

1923
01:32:47,173 --> 01:32:47,452
Speaker 18: Maybe?

1924
01:32:47,933 --> 01:32:48,053
Speaker 6: Right?

1925
01:32:48,173 --> 01:32:50,133
Speaker 3: O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1926
01:32:50,173 --> 01:32:52,213
Speaker 3: to call if you use botox on a regular basis?

1927
01:32:52,452 --> 01:32:54,213
Speaker 3: Why what value do you get for it? And lit

1928
01:32:54,333 --> 01:32:57,813
Speaker 3: fillers as well, which is also rising in popularity.

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01:32:58,093 --> 01:32:59,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, what has been the benefit? And have you been

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Speaker 2: stung by bees?

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01:33:00,652 --> 01:33:00,812
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. It is twenty four plus three.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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01:33:10,612 --> 01:33:11,932
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youth talks.

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Speaker 3: I'd be very good afternoon to you. We are talking

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Speaker 3: about the increasing use of botox. Many many people get

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01:33:17,772 --> 01:33:19,772
Speaker 3: it done on a regular basis. Of that'syear oh eight

1938
01:33:19,772 --> 01:33:22,293
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty. So many texts coming through.

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01:33:23,053 --> 01:33:25,893
Speaker 2: I am twenty three getting botox to stop getting wrinkles

1940
01:33:26,372 --> 01:33:28,652
Speaker 2: in the first place. I also try not to smile

1941
01:33:28,812 --> 01:33:34,133
Speaker 2: too much. As a woman, I feel that wrinkles would

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01:33:34,173 --> 01:33:38,492
Speaker 2: limit my employment opportunities. Wow, at twenty three, I find

1943
01:33:38,532 --> 01:33:41,852
Speaker 2: that terrifying that someone that's twenty three years old wouldn't

1944
01:33:42,013 --> 01:33:45,812
Speaker 2: would worry about wrinkles. That is a problem that person.

1945
01:33:47,412 --> 01:33:50,133
Speaker 2: I bet you don't. If you're still listening, twenty three

1946
01:33:50,213 --> 01:33:51,893
Speaker 2: year old, I bet you don't have wrinkles, and I

1947
01:33:51,973 --> 01:33:54,253
Speaker 2: don't think you need to worry about them at twenty three, and.

1948
01:33:54,293 --> 01:33:56,133
Speaker 3: To the point of not smiling in your day to

1949
01:33:56,213 --> 01:33:56,652
Speaker 3: day life.

1950
01:33:56,732 --> 01:33:58,652
Speaker 2: For me, just smile, Just smile.

1951
01:33:59,652 --> 01:34:02,253
Speaker 3: There's a good text to you. Sharon Osborne has had

1952
01:34:02,372 --> 01:34:05,532
Speaker 3: so much surgery on her face. My frown was like

1953
01:34:05,652 --> 01:34:09,412
Speaker 3: a coin slot and I always looked angry sorted it out.

1954
01:34:09,772 --> 01:34:14,013
Speaker 3: I would never have it on a regular basis, But

1955
01:34:14,492 --> 01:34:17,893
Speaker 3: now the taboo is listened. It certainly helped me and

1956
01:34:17,973 --> 01:34:19,892
Speaker 3: I feel so much better now that those frown lines

1957
01:34:19,893 --> 01:34:20,213
Speaker 3: are gone.

1958
01:34:20,612 --> 01:34:23,333
Speaker 2: I've been having botox for years. My husband does not know,

1959
01:34:24,293 --> 01:34:27,173
Speaker 2: none of my friends know. Nobody would guess that I

1960
01:34:27,213 --> 01:34:30,132
Speaker 2: have had any botox done. I just look very fresh

1961
01:34:30,452 --> 01:34:33,572
Speaker 2: and relaxed. But I mean I wonder about that as well.

1962
01:34:33,692 --> 01:34:35,213
Speaker 2: So you look at people that have had a lot

1963
01:34:35,253 --> 01:34:37,652
Speaker 2: of plastic surgery, do they look in the mirror and

1964
01:34:37,732 --> 01:34:42,173
Speaker 2: think I look younger? Or you know, do they not

1965
01:34:42,333 --> 01:34:43,972
Speaker 2: see because there's a lot of people that you see

1966
01:34:44,013 --> 01:34:47,333
Speaker 2: that have had plastic surgery or have been heavily botoxed,

1967
01:34:47,572 --> 01:34:50,852
Speaker 2: and I see them and I go, you have had

1968
01:34:50,853 --> 01:34:52,692
Speaker 2: plastic surgery and heavily botox. Do they look in the

1969
01:34:52,732 --> 01:34:53,492
Speaker 2: mirror and see that.

1970
01:34:54,133 --> 01:34:56,173
Speaker 3: It's a good question. I imagine they don't. Once you

1971
01:34:56,293 --> 01:34:58,732
Speaker 3: start down that journey and start doing more and more,

1972
01:34:59,013 --> 01:35:02,012
Speaker 3: perhaps it is harder for them to realize that everyone

1973
01:35:02,053 --> 01:35:03,093
Speaker 3: can see you've had a bit of work.

1974
01:35:03,213 --> 01:35:07,053
Speaker 2: Hey guys, google the Catwoman Jocelyn Woldenstein and you will

1975
01:35:07,093 --> 01:35:10,293
Speaker 2: be put off botox full for your partner. Yeah, I

1976
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:13,293
Speaker 2: mean the Catwoman has gone a long way. Caroline, Welcome

1977
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:13,732
Speaker 2: to the show.

1978
01:35:14,973 --> 01:35:16,892
Speaker 3: Hi Yah, how are you very good?

1979
01:35:17,372 --> 01:35:17,492
Speaker 4: Now?

1980
01:35:17,692 --> 01:35:22,653
Speaker 20: I'm enjoying yourself. I'm sixty and I just think rimples

1981
01:35:22,692 --> 01:35:25,652
Speaker 20: are beautiful, like gray hair and wrinkle, and I just

1982
01:35:25,772 --> 01:35:30,093
Speaker 20: think nature looks after us. So just relax and be

1983
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:35,213
Speaker 20: who you are a dignity. That's but I I was

1984
01:35:35,253 --> 01:35:37,532
Speaker 20: going to tell you a story about when I lived

1985
01:35:37,532 --> 01:35:40,372
Speaker 20: in London years ago. There was an article in a

1986
01:35:40,452 --> 01:35:47,732
Speaker 20: magazine about the children of Russian oligarchs because their mothers

1987
01:35:47,853 --> 01:35:51,372
Speaker 20: were having so much boatox that the children were full

1988
01:35:51,412 --> 01:35:54,532
Speaker 20: of anxiety because the mothers looked exactly the same, whether

1989
01:35:54,532 --> 01:36:00,572
Speaker 20: they were happy, sad, angry, furious, distressed, And the children

1990
01:36:00,692 --> 01:36:03,692
Speaker 20: sort of said that their mothers look constantly surprised, but

1991
01:36:04,572 --> 01:36:06,732
Speaker 20: they couldn't tell if they were happy or sad or angry.

1992
01:36:06,973 --> 01:36:10,452
Speaker 2: Wow, they always look they always look quite a good article.

1993
01:36:10,532 --> 01:36:11,532
Speaker 2: They always look surprised.

1994
01:36:12,293 --> 01:36:13,693
Speaker 17: Yeah, they're always.

1995
01:36:13,412 --> 01:36:16,612
Speaker 20: Looking surprised because they've got so much photos around their

1996
01:36:16,692 --> 01:36:18,172
Speaker 20: eyes and their faces.

1997
01:36:18,933 --> 01:36:21,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's weird, because we are so good as

1998
01:36:21,732 --> 01:36:24,452
Speaker 2: humans to read every sort of nuance on someone's face,

1999
01:36:24,772 --> 01:36:27,372
Speaker 2: going into each other's faces, and apparently there's a thing

2000
01:36:27,452 --> 01:36:31,173
Speaker 2: where we imitate the face of the person we're talking to,

2001
01:36:31,652 --> 01:36:34,532
Speaker 2: and that's just the way. That's the way we subconsciously communicate.

2002
01:36:34,572 --> 01:36:37,893
Speaker 2: So if you've got someone whose faces paralyzed then by botox,

2003
01:36:37,933 --> 01:36:41,173
Speaker 2: then you can have a really interesting interaction with them.

2004
01:36:41,253 --> 01:36:42,333
Speaker 3: So that's what I want.

2005
01:36:42,372 --> 01:36:44,333
Speaker 20: The kid's doing when they go to school, they'll be

2006
01:36:44,372 --> 01:36:45,572
Speaker 20: walking around looking surprise.

2007
01:36:46,492 --> 01:36:48,892
Speaker 2: So as soon as they scream when they see a wrinkle.

2008
01:36:49,893 --> 01:36:51,572
Speaker 2: What do you think of this? This person that texted

2009
01:36:51,612 --> 01:36:54,213
Speaker 2: before said that she's twenty three getting botox to stop

2010
01:36:54,253 --> 01:36:56,293
Speaker 2: getting wrinkles and trying not to smile. That makes me

2011
01:36:56,372 --> 01:36:56,892
Speaker 2: feel sad.

2012
01:36:57,732 --> 01:37:00,532
Speaker 20: That's really sad. Well, it's just the modern sort of

2013
01:37:00,612 --> 01:37:03,532
Speaker 20: Hollywood world, isn't it. And then of course you can

2014
01:37:03,612 --> 01:37:07,093
Speaker 20: get photographs of models and soup stars. I mean they're

2015
01:37:07,133 --> 01:37:10,412
Speaker 20: all done on computers and all, you know, whe all them.

2016
01:37:11,372 --> 01:37:13,333
Speaker 2: That might be an interesting point, Caroline. So this person

2017
01:37:13,372 --> 01:37:15,412
Speaker 2: who thinks they got wrinkles when they're twenty three, surely

2018
01:37:15,452 --> 01:37:17,173
Speaker 2: you don't have wrinkles when you're twenty three. Is that

2019
01:37:17,412 --> 01:37:19,013
Speaker 2: because she'd be comparing herself to.

2020
01:37:20,772 --> 01:37:24,972
Speaker 20: Lie laughing lines, not happy happy laughing lines. I mean

2021
01:37:25,612 --> 01:37:27,692
Speaker 20: that was a lovely thing about pictures. If you go

2022
01:37:27,772 --> 01:37:30,253
Speaker 20: and look at the photographs, early photographs of one hundred

2023
01:37:30,253 --> 01:37:33,293
Speaker 20: and fifty years ago, their faces look so different to

2024
01:37:33,412 --> 01:37:35,972
Speaker 20: ours because they they probably never looked in the mirror

2025
01:37:36,053 --> 01:37:39,692
Speaker 20: for one and two, they just live lived the life

2026
01:37:40,412 --> 01:37:43,412
Speaker 20: and happy said you know, old fishermen or.

2027
01:37:44,933 --> 01:37:48,612
Speaker 2: Or you know, it'd be interesting. Like, you know, evolutionarily,

2028
01:37:48,933 --> 01:37:51,652
Speaker 2: humans for the longest time didn't have mirrors, so you know,

2029
01:37:51,933 --> 01:37:54,652
Speaker 2: maybe once a week you'd catchure reflectioning yourself in a

2030
01:37:54,692 --> 01:37:57,093
Speaker 2: muddy puddle which you're walking around. Otherwise you have no

2031
01:37:57,213 --> 01:37:58,093
Speaker 2: idea what you look like.

2032
01:37:58,253 --> 01:37:58,692
Speaker 3: Ignorance.

2033
01:37:59,452 --> 01:38:00,492
Speaker 2: That's probably a good way to live.

2034
01:38:01,253 --> 01:38:04,132
Speaker 20: Yeah, there was a thing years ago on David Attenborough

2035
01:38:04,213 --> 01:38:06,492
Speaker 20: documentary and he was saying, it was a question here,

2036
01:38:06,612 --> 01:38:09,173
Speaker 20: what is the funny black shiny stone? And they were

2037
01:38:09,213 --> 01:38:11,213
Speaker 20: trying to work it out, and eventually they worked out

2038
01:38:11,213 --> 01:38:13,572
Speaker 20: it was around the times of the Egyptians. It was

2039
01:38:13,612 --> 01:38:16,253
Speaker 20: actually a mirror, right, It was a sort of you

2040
01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:18,812
Speaker 20: could sort of almost see your reflection in it. The

2041
01:38:18,893 --> 01:38:20,772
Speaker 20: black stone really shiny.

2042
01:38:20,973 --> 01:38:24,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating, Carolyn, Thank you very much. And what a

2043
01:38:24,173 --> 01:38:27,173
Speaker 3: great attitude that wrinkles are beautiful. Oh one hundred and

2044
01:38:27,173 --> 01:38:28,933
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty has the number to call, love to

2045
01:38:29,013 --> 01:38:31,372
Speaker 3: hear your thoughts about the use of botox. Is it

2046
01:38:31,452 --> 01:38:33,333
Speaker 3: becoming a regular thing in your social circle?

2047
01:38:33,492 --> 01:38:35,293
Speaker 2: I I wonder what life will be like if you

2048
01:38:35,412 --> 01:38:37,412
Speaker 2: just decided to never look in the mirror. Be good

2049
01:38:37,452 --> 01:38:44,012
Speaker 2: for you, the headlines, it wouldn't be good for other people.

2050
01:38:44,053 --> 01:38:45,572
Speaker 2: Because I wouldn't notice the nose he is.

2051
01:38:47,253 --> 01:38:48,612
Speaker 3: It is twenty eight to four.

2052
01:38:51,093 --> 01:38:53,852
Speaker 15: US Talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

2053
01:38:53,893 --> 01:38:57,213
Speaker 15: no trouble with the Blue bubble. The PPTA says it's great.

2054
01:38:57,372 --> 01:39:00,652
Speaker 15: Plans to dump and CEA won't include bringing back the

2055
01:39:00,772 --> 01:39:04,612
Speaker 15: scaling system that failed half of students in each school exam,

2056
01:39:05,053 --> 01:39:07,852
Speaker 15: the plans for a literacy and numerousy test for Level

2057
01:39:07,893 --> 01:39:12,133
Speaker 15: one and education certificates for levels two and three. Our

2058
01:39:12,213 --> 01:39:14,692
Speaker 15: twenty seven year old woman's entered no plea to a

2059
01:39:14,812 --> 01:39:17,852
Speaker 15: charge of neglect after a toddler was discovered inside a

2060
01:39:17,973 --> 01:39:22,253
Speaker 15: case in a bus luggage compartment, very hot, but seemingly unharmed.

2061
01:39:22,532 --> 01:39:25,932
Speaker 15: The woman will reappear tomorrow. Houth New Zealand says nor

2062
01:39:25,973 --> 01:39:29,452
Speaker 15: Shore Hospital's warant for discharge patients with nowhere appropriate to

2063
01:39:29,532 --> 01:39:32,812
Speaker 15: go as having a positive impact on acute hospital flow

2064
01:39:32,893 --> 01:39:36,812
Speaker 15: and hospital bed usage. DVNZ celebrity Treasure on and is

2065
01:39:36,812 --> 01:39:39,253
Speaker 15: getting a seventh season thanks to more than one point

2066
01:39:39,333 --> 01:39:42,492
Speaker 15: three million dollars from enz on Air. Country Calendar is

2067
01:39:42,492 --> 01:39:46,293
Speaker 15: getting seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars funding. Oprah Winfrey

2068
01:39:46,372 --> 01:39:48,852
Speaker 15: is appearing at Auckland Spark Arena in December, after she

2069
01:39:49,013 --> 01:39:52,972
Speaker 15: completes a four set tour in Australia plus Keeue Formula

2070
01:39:53,053 --> 01:39:56,053
Speaker 15: One driver Liam Lawson has proved he belongs on the

2071
01:39:56,173 --> 01:39:58,892
Speaker 15: track with the best writes Alex Powell read the full

2072
01:39:58,973 --> 01:40:00,612
Speaker 15: colon at Enzed Herald Premium.

2073
01:40:00,973 --> 01:40:02,253
Speaker 2: Now back to Matton Tyler.

2074
01:40:02,572 --> 01:40:05,092
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, And we are talking about botox.

2075
01:40:05,213 --> 01:40:08,572
Speaker 3: The use of botox is doubled between twenty nine teen

2076
01:40:08,652 --> 01:40:10,772
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty five. So if that's you, if you

2077
01:40:10,853 --> 01:40:13,572
Speaker 3: regularly have botox injections, love to hear from you on oh,

2078
01:40:13,572 --> 01:40:14,973
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty And what do you.

2079
01:40:14,933 --> 01:40:17,372
Speaker 2: Think about young people getting botox? We've got that twenty

2080
01:40:17,372 --> 01:40:20,253
Speaker 2: three year old texting and saying that she's getting botox

2081
01:40:20,333 --> 01:40:23,213
Speaker 2: to stop the wrinkles. Here's another text. All very well

2082
01:40:23,333 --> 01:40:25,532
Speaker 2: for you to laugh, Matt, but no one cares what

2083
01:40:25,692 --> 01:40:27,692
Speaker 2: you look like as a man. You can walk around

2084
01:40:27,772 --> 01:40:30,572
Speaker 2: looking like crap. No one cares. We females get judged

2085
01:40:30,612 --> 01:40:34,132
Speaker 2: every second of our lives. Your besting comments are highly offensive.

2086
01:40:34,213 --> 01:40:36,213
Speaker 2: What makes you think it's okay for you to notice

2087
01:40:36,812 --> 01:40:40,892
Speaker 2: worry about yourself? You are no oil painting yourself maybe

2088
01:40:40,933 --> 01:40:42,452
Speaker 2: you need botox, not us.

2089
01:40:42,532 --> 01:40:43,692
Speaker 3: Woman, what a great text.

2090
01:40:43,812 --> 01:40:45,572
Speaker 2: I mean, if this guy, I mean, if someone looks

2091
01:40:45,612 --> 01:40:47,532
Speaker 2: like they've been it's not your fault. If you see

2092
01:40:47,572 --> 01:40:51,173
Speaker 2: someone that looks like they've been stung by bees, I mean,

2093
01:40:51,253 --> 01:40:53,732
Speaker 2: if you start yelling, you look like you've been staying

2094
01:40:53,772 --> 01:40:56,093
Speaker 2: by bees at someone. But we can't help what our

2095
01:40:56,173 --> 01:40:58,973
Speaker 2: first thought is. Yeah, So if you've had a lot

2096
01:40:59,013 --> 01:41:01,612
Speaker 2: of plastic surgery and you're walking around and people are

2097
01:41:01,652 --> 01:41:05,412
Speaker 2: thinking you've had a lot of plastic surgery, then is

2098
01:41:05,452 --> 01:41:07,532
Speaker 2: that their fault? I mean, the thoughts just come in

2099
01:41:07,572 --> 01:41:10,173
Speaker 2: to the head. They've reckoned something, right, Yeah, exactly. But

2100
01:41:10,213 --> 01:41:12,812
Speaker 2: I do agree that women do get judged on their

2101
01:41:12,812 --> 01:41:15,173
Speaker 2: appearance a lot more than men. Yeah, and and and

2102
01:41:15,333 --> 01:41:19,572
Speaker 2: that's that's that's the life that will make things difficult. Yeah,

2103
01:41:19,772 --> 01:41:21,532
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2104
01:41:22,412 --> 01:41:22,732
Speaker 3: HUGO.

2105
01:41:22,893 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 4: How are you, hey, Tyler? How are you doing?

2106
01:41:26,853 --> 01:41:27,053
Speaker 19: Good?

2107
01:41:27,093 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 3: Mate?

2108
01:41:27,333 --> 01:41:27,692
Speaker 4: We've got.

2109
01:41:29,213 --> 01:41:30,653
Speaker 2: There you go, mate, bloody.

2110
01:41:30,333 --> 01:41:33,333
Speaker 4: Good Colin, Colin, how are your boys? Yes?

2111
01:41:34,612 --> 01:41:35,492
Speaker 3: Hold you get a good boy.

2112
01:41:38,732 --> 01:41:39,253
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's.

2113
01:41:40,732 --> 01:41:43,772
Speaker 4: It's it's a bit weird bringing up about this. This

2114
01:41:43,933 --> 01:41:46,333
Speaker 4: is I'm gonna I've got to share this with you

2115
01:41:46,452 --> 01:41:50,492
Speaker 4: and you and is listening because I I'm a male

2116
01:41:50,532 --> 01:41:54,372
Speaker 4: and I've had botox, right, Okay, I never thought I

2117
01:41:54,412 --> 01:41:55,213
Speaker 4: would see the day of that.

2118
01:41:55,893 --> 01:41:56,013
Speaker 7: Uh.

2119
01:41:57,093 --> 01:41:59,772
Speaker 4: But yeah, it wasn't used for what you're probably thinking

2120
01:41:59,812 --> 01:42:05,572
Speaker 4: it was used for. Okay, I ended up I've had.

2121
01:42:06,933 --> 01:42:07,053
Speaker 21: Uh.

2122
01:42:08,612 --> 01:42:11,852
Speaker 4: I' going quite a physical sort of a job, not

2123
01:42:12,013 --> 01:42:14,933
Speaker 4: heavy lifting, have done for thirty years, and I end

2124
01:42:15,053 --> 01:42:22,013
Speaker 4: up with hemorrhoids. And one day I had a I

2125
01:42:22,093 --> 01:42:24,253
Speaker 4: had some Korean chicken, green fried chicken, and then I

2126
01:42:24,372 --> 01:42:26,372
Speaker 4: ordered the extra extra hot and spicy.

2127
01:42:28,652 --> 01:42:30,652
Speaker 6: I ended up I ended up.

2128
01:42:30,692 --> 01:42:36,732
Speaker 4: With a what they called an anal fisher and it

2129
01:42:36,893 --> 01:42:38,973
Speaker 4: was very serious, like it was so serious. I rang

2130
01:42:39,053 --> 01:42:43,532
Speaker 4: in because there was so much blood. I freak out.

2131
01:42:46,772 --> 01:42:49,892
Speaker 4: It was a we laughed. Later my my my wife

2132
01:42:49,933 --> 01:42:55,252
Speaker 4: calls me, she calls me jelly, jelly, bumb and bubble button.

2133
01:42:55,093 --> 01:42:58,852
Speaker 6: All sorts now, because that was that was how they

2134
01:42:58,973 --> 01:42:59,333
Speaker 6: fexed it.

2135
01:42:59,372 --> 01:43:02,492
Speaker 4: It wouldn't heal they were hoping with because it was

2136
01:43:02,532 --> 01:43:04,213
Speaker 4: such a such a decent tea.

2137
01:43:05,812 --> 01:43:09,012
Speaker 2: So they can't they botox you down there.

2138
01:43:09,572 --> 01:43:14,173
Speaker 4: Botox my bum so that it relaxed so that they

2139
01:43:14,333 --> 01:43:17,612
Speaker 4: could hear wow, because yeah, yeah, so there you go.

2140
01:43:17,732 --> 01:43:22,652
Speaker 2: Man, I've had botox, and and did you Was it

2141
01:43:22,772 --> 01:43:25,053
Speaker 2: just one one one and doone and it was sorted out?

2142
01:43:25,133 --> 01:43:27,172
Speaker 2: Or is did you have to have repeat treatments?

2143
01:43:28,213 --> 01:43:28,253
Speaker 17: No?

2144
01:43:28,372 --> 01:43:31,213
Speaker 4: I had two, two shots. Yeah, it was about eight weeks.

2145
01:43:31,372 --> 01:43:31,812
Speaker 4: Eight weeks.

2146
01:43:33,133 --> 01:43:35,093
Speaker 2: He didn't say at the time, once you're done down there,

2147
01:43:35,133 --> 01:43:36,173
Speaker 2: could you do my crow's feet?

2148
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:43,772
Speaker 4: Honestly that it was yeah, yeah, yeah, were laughing about

2149
01:43:43,812 --> 01:43:46,692
Speaker 4: it now and let it go.

2150
01:43:46,973 --> 01:43:49,293
Speaker 2: I imagine it was a laughing matter at the time.

2151
01:43:49,893 --> 01:43:52,293
Speaker 2: If you were in the position that where you're happy

2152
01:43:52,333 --> 01:43:54,372
Speaker 2: to reach out for medical help. Imagine it was not

2153
01:43:54,452 --> 01:43:56,213
Speaker 2: a great time for you, as funny.

2154
01:43:55,933 --> 01:43:59,133
Speaker 24: As it is now, especially when I'm looking on the

2155
01:44:00,612 --> 01:44:03,253
Speaker 24: I'm on Google and she's on Google and all were

2156
01:44:03,293 --> 01:44:08,892
Speaker 24: reading it seems like it's cancer, dow cancer, No, no, no, no, yeah,

2157
01:44:08,933 --> 01:44:10,092
Speaker 24: freaking out like yeah.

2158
01:44:10,053 --> 01:44:14,293
Speaker 4: To the blood. I rang an ambo and yeah, and

2159
01:44:15,013 --> 01:44:15,452
Speaker 4: so did the.

2160
01:44:16,133 --> 01:44:17,973
Speaker 3: I mean, I take it. You know, getting a bit

2161
01:44:18,013 --> 01:44:20,412
Speaker 3: of botox was a lot less painful than than what

2162
01:44:20,572 --> 01:44:22,612
Speaker 3: was going on with you. But was there a bit

2163
01:44:22,692 --> 01:44:24,572
Speaker 3: of discomfort by by that procedure?

2164
01:44:27,013 --> 01:44:31,852
Speaker 4: Well, now, sounding rude, it was a huge relief straight away,

2165
01:44:32,133 --> 01:44:36,213
Speaker 4: just instant relief. Yeah, the needle crack was nothing. It

2166
01:44:36,412 --> 01:44:38,452
Speaker 4: was nothing. It was just like, thank you very much

2167
01:44:38,452 --> 01:44:40,933
Speaker 4: to a lot of embarrassment at the time, because you know,

2168
01:44:41,013 --> 01:44:44,612
Speaker 4: I'm busy lying on my side. I'm pretty pretty much

2169
01:44:44,692 --> 01:44:47,452
Speaker 4: everybody at Cross huge hospital felt like my bum.

2170
01:44:50,133 --> 01:44:54,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you go it is it? How are you now?

2171
01:44:54,692 --> 01:44:58,492
Speaker 2: As if you are you cured, if you you're find now.

2172
01:44:58,452 --> 01:45:03,333
Speaker 4: And I'm happy days now, and hemorrhoids are all all

2173
01:45:03,372 --> 01:45:08,133
Speaker 4: pretty much gone and all happy days there.

2174
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:10,693
Speaker 3: And you've stayed away from the Korean spicy chicken.

2175
01:45:11,452 --> 01:45:13,772
Speaker 4: I've never eard. And it's just it's sad, man, because

2176
01:45:13,772 --> 01:45:16,133
Speaker 4: I love my spicy food, you know, I love it.

2177
01:45:16,492 --> 01:45:20,053
Speaker 4: And I'll even get those real hot noodles, you know,

2178
01:45:20,213 --> 01:45:22,893
Speaker 4: the yeah, the red and black ones and rammonds, and

2179
01:45:22,973 --> 01:45:25,253
Speaker 4: I'll put more chili in it just to make it hotter,

2180
01:45:25,412 --> 01:45:27,932
Speaker 4: like I love it that much. And I stay well

2181
01:45:27,973 --> 01:45:29,572
Speaker 4: away from it. Now, becau leave my lisson?

2182
01:45:30,013 --> 01:45:32,973
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah enough to absolutely, Yeah, Well thank you so

2183
01:45:33,093 --> 01:45:36,253
Speaker 2: much for sharing, yeah your story, hugo, because that's the thing.

2184
01:45:36,333 --> 01:45:39,772
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, everyone's going botox for cosmetic surgery.

2185
01:45:40,053 --> 01:45:41,732
Speaker 2: You go needed it for a very different reason and

2186
01:45:41,812 --> 01:45:44,293
Speaker 2: thank god it existed. A sound like he was having

2187
01:45:44,333 --> 01:45:45,173
Speaker 2: a terrible.

2188
01:45:44,933 --> 01:45:48,732
Speaker 3: Time, absolutely bubble, but there one hundred eighty ten eighty

2189
01:45:48,893 --> 01:45:51,053
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Coming up, we'll speak to

2190
01:45:51,093 --> 01:45:53,253
Speaker 3: a woman who's had a bit of plastic surgery. Gone

2191
01:45:53,293 --> 01:45:55,253
Speaker 3: a bit further than the old botox. But love to

2192
01:45:55,333 --> 01:45:57,173
Speaker 3: hear from you if you do it on a regular basis.

2193
01:45:57,173 --> 01:45:58,692
Speaker 3: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2194
01:45:58,732 --> 01:45:59,812
Speaker 3: to call eighteen to four.

2195
01:46:00,253 --> 01:46:02,973
Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot lot more sort of medical applications

2196
01:46:03,013 --> 01:46:05,213
Speaker 2: for botox coming through on the on the text machine.

2197
01:46:05,412 --> 01:46:09,053
Speaker 2: But yeah, I waite hundred eighty ten eighty your home of.

2198
01:46:09,173 --> 01:46:13,372
Speaker 1: Afternoon talk mad even Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh, eight

2199
01:46:13,492 --> 01:46:15,893
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty us talk, said.

2200
01:46:16,133 --> 01:46:17,213
Speaker 3: Say quarter to four.

2201
01:46:17,732 --> 01:46:20,372
Speaker 2: Our eleven year old was born with a collapsed windpipe.

2202
01:46:20,452 --> 01:46:22,732
Speaker 2: He gets botox every six months to keep it open.

2203
01:46:23,293 --> 01:46:25,093
Speaker 2: We've had some friends who have asked if there is

2204
01:46:25,133 --> 01:46:28,732
Speaker 2: any left over to flick it their way. Troy, Well,

2205
01:46:29,173 --> 01:46:33,892
Speaker 2: this has a lot of a lot of medical applications botox,

2206
01:46:33,973 --> 01:46:36,253
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's not just a what do you call it?

2207
01:46:36,652 --> 01:46:39,093
Speaker 2: Cosmetic surgery? Christine, Welcome to the show.

2208
01:46:40,013 --> 01:46:42,093
Speaker 3: Hi guys, how are you very good?

2209
01:46:42,173 --> 01:46:46,812
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling. That's Okay, what's your what's your

2210
01:46:47,333 --> 01:46:47,893
Speaker 2: thoughts on this?

2211
01:46:48,933 --> 01:46:49,053
Speaker 11: Oh?

2212
01:46:49,133 --> 01:46:53,973
Speaker 25: Look, I've been doing anti wrinkle or botox or disport,

2213
01:46:54,093 --> 01:46:56,892
Speaker 25: whatever you'd like to call it since i was thirty

2214
01:46:57,013 --> 01:47:01,293
Speaker 25: six and I'm now fifty two. So I mean, I

2215
01:47:01,492 --> 01:47:05,773
Speaker 25: think it's it's a situation where potentially less is better.

2216
01:47:07,372 --> 01:47:08,612
Speaker 11: And to not over do it.

2217
01:47:08,732 --> 01:47:11,253
Speaker 25: And still I guess embrace you know what your face

2218
01:47:11,372 --> 01:47:16,092
Speaker 25: is looking like. But yeah, it definitely relaxes the muscles,

2219
01:47:16,812 --> 01:47:20,333
Speaker 25: reduces the fine lines. And then, you know, I do

2220
01:47:20,492 --> 01:47:24,372
Speaker 25: get comments from people, not necessarily that you look younger,

2221
01:47:24,572 --> 01:47:26,133
Speaker 25: but how good you look for your age?

2222
01:47:27,572 --> 01:47:30,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you put that down to the botox. You

2223
01:47:30,293 --> 01:47:34,012
Speaker 2: might just you might just be looking for your age, Christine.

2224
01:47:34,452 --> 01:47:36,372
Speaker 25: Yeah, no, Look, it's funny you say that because I

2225
01:47:36,452 --> 01:47:39,372
Speaker 25: did think that, you know, imagine if I hadn't. But

2226
01:47:39,412 --> 01:47:42,173
Speaker 25: I guess I can only compare to a sibling, and

2227
01:47:42,372 --> 01:47:47,093
Speaker 25: potentially she's only eighteen months older, and the difference in yeah, like.

2228
01:47:47,772 --> 01:47:49,253
Speaker 17: How we look.

2229
01:47:50,293 --> 01:47:52,732
Speaker 3: So when you say when you say less is more, Christine,

2230
01:47:52,772 --> 01:47:54,852
Speaker 3: how often would you go for a wee are we

2231
01:47:55,013 --> 01:47:55,812
Speaker 3: botox treatment?

2232
01:47:57,293 --> 01:47:58,932
Speaker 11: I I don't.

2233
01:47:59,133 --> 01:48:01,532
Speaker 25: I try not to go any more than twice a year,

2234
01:48:03,492 --> 01:48:07,452
Speaker 25: and I don't do too many spots I do between

2235
01:48:07,973 --> 01:48:13,772
Speaker 25: the eye girls, the brown brown lines in there, the

2236
01:48:13,933 --> 01:48:17,572
Speaker 25: crows feed, and that's been it. That that's all I've

2237
01:48:17,772 --> 01:48:21,612
Speaker 25: actually done. So I'm actually now, you know, consulting more

2238
01:48:22,053 --> 01:48:25,173
Speaker 25: and looking more at doing fillers because I've never done

2239
01:48:25,213 --> 01:48:27,572
Speaker 25: the fillers before and that will just plump up a

2240
01:48:27,612 --> 01:48:30,173
Speaker 25: couple of areas that you would like to see, you know,

2241
01:48:30,253 --> 01:48:34,452
Speaker 25: within reason. Again too, I'm quite you know, I've been

2242
01:48:34,532 --> 01:48:39,692
Speaker 25: to a few different nurses and I judge how they

2243
01:48:39,853 --> 01:48:45,213
Speaker 25: look by what I'm probably my expectations what that nurse

2244
01:48:45,253 --> 01:48:47,133
Speaker 25: would be as to how I want to look, because

2245
01:48:47,133 --> 01:48:50,812
Speaker 25: if they're too if they're too overdone, then yeah, yeah,

2246
01:48:50,853 --> 01:48:52,652
Speaker 25: I think, God, I'm not going to relate to this

2247
01:48:52,853 --> 01:48:55,812
Speaker 25: lady because you know, it's not how I want to look.

2248
01:48:55,973 --> 01:48:58,333
Speaker 25: So yeah, it's quite a it's a very personal thing,

2249
01:48:58,412 --> 01:49:01,252
Speaker 25: I think too, and there's a lot of other purposes

2250
01:49:01,333 --> 01:49:04,013
Speaker 25: for it, like excessive sweating and armpits.

2251
01:49:03,652 --> 01:49:10,492
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, well, it says Christine that people are

2252
01:49:10,532 --> 01:49:12,772
Speaker 2: liking it to getting a manicure or a haircut, and

2253
01:49:12,853 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 2: that there's no shame. I mean, obviously you're not ashamed

2254
01:49:16,213 --> 01:49:21,053
Speaker 2: of it, because because you're calling with us about it.

2255
01:49:22,053 --> 01:49:24,213
Speaker 2: So do you think did you see it being becoming

2256
01:49:24,333 --> 01:49:27,093
Speaker 2: less stigmatized? You know, you've been doing since you're thirty six,

2257
01:49:27,173 --> 01:49:29,893
Speaker 2: you know, fifty two, you've seen the stigmatism of it.

2258
01:49:30,093 --> 01:49:33,213
Speaker 2: Is that the right word? Change? Look, I think stigma

2259
01:49:33,333 --> 01:49:34,293
Speaker 2: of it, not stigmatism.

2260
01:49:34,412 --> 01:49:37,333
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, no, Look, I think.

2261
01:49:37,293 --> 01:49:41,213
Speaker 25: Too certain industries that I've worked in, so you know,

2262
01:49:41,652 --> 01:49:44,213
Speaker 25: strong customer service roles, so you do want to look,

2263
01:49:44,692 --> 01:49:47,893
Speaker 25: you know, at your very best, and then saying that,

2264
01:49:48,013 --> 01:49:50,572
Speaker 25: you know, I'm also a trade person, so you know

2265
01:49:50,732 --> 01:49:54,852
Speaker 25: I'm not. It just makes me feel better about myself.

2266
01:49:55,173 --> 01:49:58,093
Speaker 25: And I've never really had any negative feedback about it,

2267
01:49:58,093 --> 01:50:00,452
Speaker 25: and I've posted little funny things on Facebook, you know,

2268
01:50:00,572 --> 01:50:03,012
Speaker 25: so I've just had monjectables and I had a friend

2269
01:50:03,053 --> 01:50:05,333
Speaker 25: that we'd go you know together and come out for

2270
01:50:05,412 --> 01:50:09,812
Speaker 25: dinner after it and things like that. So I again, yeah,

2271
01:50:09,893 --> 01:50:15,612
Speaker 25: I think you can experience nurses who might want to

2272
01:50:16,853 --> 01:50:20,013
Speaker 25: add a little on to the amount of units that

2273
01:50:20,173 --> 01:50:24,133
Speaker 25: they are suggesting. But when you've been doing it for

2274
01:50:25,133 --> 01:50:28,133
Speaker 25: you know, this long, you know how it should feel

2275
01:50:28,213 --> 01:50:31,173
Speaker 25: and you know how it should look. So I guess

2276
01:50:31,253 --> 01:50:37,213
Speaker 25: I'm quite Yeah, Yeah, it's I'm all for it. I

2277
01:50:37,412 --> 01:50:42,172
Speaker 25: think if anyone wants to, within reason, you know, enhance

2278
01:50:42,213 --> 01:50:45,052
Speaker 25: their looks. I guess, try and restore, you know, restore

2279
01:50:45,173 --> 01:50:48,892
Speaker 25: your your your your looks. I don't know, I'm all

2280
01:50:48,973 --> 01:50:49,213
Speaker 25: for it.

2281
01:50:49,452 --> 01:50:51,932
Speaker 3: How much do you spend on it per treatment, Christine?

2282
01:50:52,213 --> 01:50:54,812
Speaker 25: Oh, look, it can vary greatly, and I mean I've

2283
01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:58,692
Speaker 25: done a number of years of it in Melbourne in Australia. Obviously,

2284
01:51:00,853 --> 01:51:03,532
Speaker 25: units of the sport over there could range from about

2285
01:51:03,772 --> 01:51:07,973
Speaker 25: seven dollars or even lease. I think I think it

2286
01:51:08,013 --> 01:51:11,492
Speaker 25: was around three or four dollars a unit, whereas over

2287
01:51:11,572 --> 01:51:17,852
Speaker 25: here you're paying sort of double that. But oh say

2288
01:51:17,933 --> 01:51:20,412
Speaker 25: four hundred twice a year.

2289
01:51:20,732 --> 01:51:22,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, so eight hundred bucks a year. I mean the

2290
01:51:22,893 --> 01:51:24,612
Speaker 3: reason I asked that is I'm thinking about all the

2291
01:51:24,973 --> 01:51:28,372
Speaker 3: special potions and anti wrinkled cream and everything else that

2292
01:51:28,452 --> 01:51:29,333
Speaker 3: gets sold on the counter.

2293
01:51:30,013 --> 01:51:30,253
Speaker 21: Yeah.

2294
01:51:30,492 --> 01:51:31,852
Speaker 3: I mean that's a lot of money you spend on

2295
01:51:31,893 --> 01:51:32,293
Speaker 3: that stuff.

2296
01:51:33,053 --> 01:51:33,253
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2297
01:51:33,492 --> 01:51:35,253
Speaker 25: Yeah, look, that's the thing. I mean, obviously you can

2298
01:51:35,293 --> 01:51:37,333
Speaker 25: spend a lot more. But because I've always sort of,

2299
01:51:37,692 --> 01:51:41,852
Speaker 25: you know, leaned towards the lesson's better outlook, you know, like,

2300
01:51:41,973 --> 01:51:44,933
Speaker 25: I don't think that's excessive, and I'm not you know,

2301
01:51:44,973 --> 01:51:46,492
Speaker 25: I'm not one to go and get my nails done

2302
01:51:46,532 --> 01:51:48,652
Speaker 25: in my hair done either. Like, I'm all about the

2303
01:51:50,732 --> 01:51:53,492
Speaker 25: adjective of treatments, but and hey, they have to pay,

2304
01:51:53,612 --> 01:51:56,293
Speaker 25: so you know you can. You can treat yourself and

2305
01:51:56,692 --> 01:51:58,333
Speaker 25: just have that. And like you say, a lot of

2306
01:51:58,412 --> 01:52:02,732
Speaker 25: these lotions and potions are you know, they're not as

2307
01:52:02,853 --> 01:52:07,933
Speaker 25: effective or even effective. So that's yeah, chee chareful moisturizer,

2308
01:52:08,133 --> 01:52:09,173
Speaker 25: all about the injectable.

2309
01:52:09,452 --> 01:52:12,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you so much, Christine. You've been fantastic

2310
01:52:12,452 --> 01:52:14,452
Speaker 2: to talk to and for those insights. So I feel

2311
01:52:14,492 --> 01:52:16,732
Speaker 2: like I'm I feel like I'm getting my head around botox.

2312
01:52:16,812 --> 01:52:17,532
Speaker 3: He's a bit closer.

2313
01:52:17,853 --> 01:52:20,852
Speaker 25: Yeah, try just go give it a try.

2314
01:52:20,933 --> 01:52:22,133
Speaker 2: You can only try it, okay.

2315
01:52:22,293 --> 01:52:25,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, good advices, Christine, and get your sold.

2316
01:52:25,452 --> 01:52:25,772
Speaker 4: On that one.

2317
01:52:26,692 --> 01:52:28,932
Speaker 2: There's a wrinkly part of my body I might get done.

2318
01:52:30,973 --> 01:52:31,173
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2319
01:52:31,253 --> 01:52:32,892
Speaker 2: So it's interesting. I think we've got to the bottom

2320
01:52:32,933 --> 01:52:33,053
Speaker 2: of this.

2321
01:52:33,173 --> 01:52:34,893
Speaker 3: I think we have just one more. This is a

2322
01:52:34,933 --> 01:52:37,492
Speaker 3: good text here and similar to Christine, I get botox regularly.

2323
01:52:37,572 --> 01:52:39,933
Speaker 3: On forty nine. The things people are saying about our

2324
01:52:39,973 --> 01:52:44,333
Speaker 3: faces is looking frozen? Is in factual? Is in fact true?

2325
01:52:44,412 --> 01:52:46,612
Speaker 3: I still have a range of expressions most of the time,

2326
01:52:46,692 --> 01:52:49,572
Speaker 3: though any tox injector knows that less is more. My

2327
01:52:49,692 --> 01:52:52,333
Speaker 3: face in comparison to every other woman of my age range,

2328
01:52:52,372 --> 01:52:56,052
Speaker 3: I know, looks naturally smooth and like I've aged well. Also,

2329
01:52:56,532 --> 01:52:58,213
Speaker 3: if you don't protect your skin from the sun, no

2330
01:52:58,372 --> 01:52:59,612
Speaker 3: amounts of botox will help.

2331
01:53:00,213 --> 01:53:05,053
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, oh well, wow, what an interesting world we

2332
01:53:05,093 --> 01:53:05,333
Speaker 2: live in.

2333
01:53:05,492 --> 01:53:08,013
Speaker 3: M I wish I could read out. I mean, I

2334
01:53:08,093 --> 01:53:09,572
Speaker 3: thought was a joke at first, but a lot of

2335
01:53:09,572 --> 01:53:12,173
Speaker 3: people have tex in and about a peer an area

2336
01:53:12,253 --> 01:53:15,013
Speaker 3: of the male body that can get a bit of

2337
01:53:15,053 --> 01:53:17,412
Speaker 3: botox to smooth it all out, and apparently it's a

2338
01:53:17,412 --> 01:53:21,532
Speaker 3: real fun Yeah. Yeah, oh well there you go, all right,

2339
01:53:21,612 --> 01:53:22,772
Speaker 3: but a botox for everybody?

2340
01:53:22,893 --> 01:53:25,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see. I'm like, because I think we'd like

2341
01:53:25,372 --> 01:53:28,172
Speaker 2: to live in a world where people could just age

2342
01:53:28,452 --> 01:53:31,213
Speaker 2: gracefully and be happy with that, right Yeah, But I

2343
01:53:31,293 --> 01:53:32,933
Speaker 2: guess we can also live in a world where some

2344
01:53:33,013 --> 01:53:34,973
Speaker 2: people can do that and some people feel better if

2345
01:53:35,013 --> 01:53:38,572
Speaker 2: they botox use botox, and then those two things can

2346
01:53:38,612 --> 01:53:40,492
Speaker 2: exist at the same time, right yea. If you're lucky

2347
01:53:40,572 --> 01:53:42,772
Speaker 2: enough to just be able to age gracefully and not

2348
01:53:42,853 --> 01:53:46,093
Speaker 2: worry about it, then you do you yep. If on

2349
01:53:46,133 --> 01:53:49,012
Speaker 2: the other hand, you feel like you want to botox

2350
01:53:49,093 --> 01:53:49,812
Speaker 2: your face, then.

2351
01:53:50,412 --> 01:53:52,732
Speaker 3: You do, you as well beautifully see a nice place

2352
01:53:52,772 --> 01:53:54,412
Speaker 3: to leave it. It is eight to four.

2353
01:53:54,572 --> 01:53:59,213
Speaker 1: Beag very shortly, the big stories, the big issues, the

2354
01:53:59,333 --> 01:54:02,692
Speaker 1: big trends, and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor

2355
01:54:02,732 --> 01:54:04,492
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons.

2356
01:54:04,173 --> 01:54:04,973
Speaker 4: Used talks, b.

2357
01:54:06,572 --> 01:54:09,772
Speaker 3: News talks there be. It is five to four. What

2358
01:54:10,293 --> 01:54:11,213
Speaker 3: are you listening over there?

2359
01:54:11,372 --> 01:54:11,532
Speaker 4: Oh?

2360
01:54:12,812 --> 01:54:13,492
Speaker 2: Thanks for asking.

2361
01:54:14,013 --> 01:54:17,132
Speaker 21: I'm just listening The Massive Men lead Lives of quiet

2362
01:54:17,173 --> 01:54:19,852
Speaker 21: desperation Henry David Throw Wolden.

2363
01:54:20,732 --> 01:54:22,612
Speaker 2: It seems to me that no, what I'm listening to,

2364
01:54:22,812 --> 01:54:25,732
Speaker 2: Tyler is the audio book of my book A Life

2365
01:54:25,853 --> 01:54:28,093
Speaker 2: is Punishing, Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've Got,

2366
01:54:28,173 --> 01:54:30,253
Speaker 2: which just came out today.

2367
01:54:30,372 --> 01:54:31,972
Speaker 3: I wanted to hear more of that Chap than That's

2368
01:54:32,013 --> 01:54:34,573
Speaker 3: sounded real good talking about Wolden. I mean this, this

2369
01:54:34,733 --> 01:54:36,173
Speaker 3: is the stuff I need to go.

2370
01:54:36,413 --> 01:54:40,293
Speaker 21: It's Hips, The Teacher, the Emperor, and the Winging drunk

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Speaker 21: The nineteen eighties TV showed the greatest American hero.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 19: What was that?

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Speaker 3: The Emperor, the Winging Drunkens.

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Speaker 2: The Emperor, what was it? The Superhero and the Winding

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Speaker 2: GM The Teacher of the Emperor and the Winging Jones.

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Speaker 3: I need to hear that chap. That sounds amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a life is punishing. Thirding Ways to Love

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Speaker 2: your Life You've Got by Matt Heath is out on audiobook.

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Speaker 2: It's been out for a year now on normal book,

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Speaker 2: but the audiobook came out today, So you can listen

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Speaker 2: to that at Spotify or Bloody Yell, Audible or Apple

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Speaker 2: Books wherever you listen to the audiobooks if that's what

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Speaker 2: you're into.

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Speaker 3: Great way to consume Matt He's top selling book, I've

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Speaker 3: got to say, so, go check it out.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for asking what I was listening to, and thanks

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Speaker 2: so much to everyone for listening to the show. And look,

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Speaker 2: thanks for all your calls and texts he had so

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Speaker 2: many today. The full show podcast will be up in

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Speaker 2: about an hour or so. So if you missed our

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Speaker 2: chats on the mainstream growth of botox in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: then listen to our podcast. But right now Teller Tyler

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Speaker 2: Tyler Roger Roger, why am I playing this song?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Great tune? Another brick in the wall lad a chat

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Speaker 3: about ripping up the old NCA system and Hopefully there

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Speaker 3: won't be a brick in the wall situation. It'll be

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Speaker 3: excellence for our students going forward.

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Speaker 2: Why don't they like the meat? I never understood that anyway.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening Until tomorrow, give a taste

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Speaker 2: a kiwi from us.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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