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Speaker 1: It looks like we've got a problem with cruise ship sailings.

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Speaker 1: New numbers out today show that a lot of the

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Speaker 1: ships are choosing to give New Zealand a bit of

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Speaker 1: a miss. Overall, there's going to be twenty eight percent

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Speaker 1: few report visits nationwide in the upcoming year. Jackie Lloyd

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Speaker 1: is New Zealand Cruise Association CEO and is with us. Now,

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Speaker 1: Hey Jackie, Hi, how are you very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: What's the problem?

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Speaker 2: A number of things really. This has been on the

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Speaker 2: cards for a number of years, which we've been making

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Speaker 2: quite a bit of a noise about. There's four main

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Speaker 2: reasons for the change. One of them is the changes

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Speaker 2: of regulations mid season, so cruise lines book and lock

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Speaker 2: in their deployment eighteen months to two years in advance.

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Speaker 2: They sell their passages to passengers so they can get

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Speaker 2: on board and travel in New Zealand. And over the

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Speaker 2: last few years has been regulation change and costs increases

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand that have been made within that booking window,

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Speaker 2: and in that case there is nowhere for the cruise

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Speaker 2: lines to pass those costs on passengers and that comes

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Speaker 2: directly off their bottom line. Addition to that is that

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Speaker 2: we are a very ex sense of destination. Our costs

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Speaker 2: are very high and have got higher, and at this

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Speaker 2: time of year I get well in the world these days,

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Speaker 2: with a number of other increases in costs around fuel

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Speaker 2: and so on, New Zealand is really we've priced ourselves

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Speaker 2: almost out of the market. We are one of the

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Speaker 2: most expensive destinations that crew finds visit. In the past,

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Speaker 2: you know, we have always been expensive and the passenger

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Speaker 2: ratings and satisfaction have outweighed that cost. But given the

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Speaker 2: current economic climate, the balances tip the other way and

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Speaker 2: we really are expensive. The third one is biofoiling risk,

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Speaker 2: so that is cruise ships cleaning their cleaning their hulls

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Speaker 2: and there and their undersides to make sure that they're

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Speaker 2: clean and tiety and they do wish to do so

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Speaker 2: absolutely and keep New Zealand waters clean, but there is

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Speaker 2: also always an overhanging risk that they might be denied

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Speaker 2: entry at the border. And you've got a full payload

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Speaker 2: of passengers on board expecting to be in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and being denied as really unacceptable from a financial and

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Speaker 2: the brand rest point of view. And we've lost lines

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Speaker 2: like Koonard, you know, the beautiful Queen Anne's, Victoria's Mary.

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Speaker 2: They're not visiting New Zealand these coming season, so all

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Speaker 2: those things together have really created a negative perception from

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Speaker 2: Cruiseline executives. I'm sure they think New Zealand's unwelcoming, that

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Speaker 2: we're not wanting cruise, and they're reflecting that in their

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Speaker 2: deployment decisions for the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Jackie, Wow, just so much great information. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, Jackie Lloyd, New Zealand Cruise Association CEO.

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