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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither duplicy ellan drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: Newstl said, b.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today

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Speaker 3: Brad Olsen on whether we have actually got inflation beat

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Speaker 3: Wellington City councilor Diane Calvert on the crisis meeting that

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Speaker 3: should just be wrapping up right now, and we'll catch

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Speaker 3: up with the Daily Mail reporter who's been sent to

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Speaker 3: Matakopa because apparently the UK is now fascinating by the

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Speaker 3: missing family.

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Speaker 1: To Heather duplic L.

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Speaker 3: How good is that inflation number out today? Two point

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Speaker 3: two percent? We're there, baby, I've got the thing beat

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Speaker 3: pretty much bang on. We're Inflation's supposed to sit at

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Speaker 3: two percent, which is exactly halfway between one and three

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Speaker 3: in the target band. So we have made it. Got inflation.

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Speaker 3: It's been out of control in this country for three years,

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Speaker 3: finally back to where it's supposed to be, and I

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Speaker 3: think that that is absolutely reason to celebrate, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that good? We're there, However, got a little problem

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Speaker 3: on our hands, which is the Reserve Bank, and I

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Speaker 3: think we need to talk about how badly these guys

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Speaker 3: very very excited that we're at two point two percent today,

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Speaker 3: but that number is also, unfortunately a pretty clear signal

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Speaker 3: because look at where the official cash rate is still sitting.

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Speaker 3: It's still at four point seven five percent. So we've

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Speaker 3: got inflation exactly where we want it, and yet we've

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Speaker 3: got an official cash rate that is higher than what

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Speaker 3: the Aussies have. Now. Explain that to me, because our

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Speaker 3: inflation is where it's supposed to be, almost bang on

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Speaker 3: our ocr is sitting at four point seventy five percent,

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Speaker 3: Australia's inflation is still out of control. Their ocr is

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Speaker 3: lower than ours at four point three five percent. How

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Speaker 3: does that happen? That happens because our Reserve Bank overdid it.

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Speaker 3: They overdid it when they hiked, when they were pumping

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Speaker 3: the money in to the system, and then they overdid

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Speaker 3: it and they started raising the official cash rate and

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Speaker 3: they can't get it down fast enough. They are trying

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Speaker 3: very hard to get it down fast. They're dropping the

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Speaker 3: official cash rate faster now than they expect it to,

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Speaker 3: and I reckon they're gonna have to go even faster.

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Speaker 3: Watch the number of economists now line up to save

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Speaker 3: fifty basis point cut November is not going to be enough.

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Speaker 3: I mean a few months ago we thought fifty basis

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Speaker 3: points was a crazy idea. Now we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: possibility of seventy five in the next month, because we

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Speaker 3: need to get that ocr down fast, because the thing is,

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Speaker 3: the longer that it stays as high as it is

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Speaker 3: right now, the more people will lose their jobs, more

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Speaker 3: people will lose their houses, the more people will lose

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Speaker 3: their businesses. That is the cost of the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: making a mistake. The Reserve Bank doesn't get latitude like

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Speaker 3: the rest of us do.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Worst case scenario, if I stuff up my job, as

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Speaker 3: there are some kids who hear a swear word that

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Speaker 3: kind of thing, do you know what I mean? Worst

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Speaker 3: things are but on a lean worst case scenario, if

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Speaker 3: these guys stuff things up, people lose their jobs, their businesses,

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Speaker 3: and their homes. So they don't get the latitude the

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Speaker 3: rest of us too. They've got to nail this stuff.

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Speaker 3: You want to know the best that the worst bit,

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Speaker 3: rather about how badly they've stuffed it up, is that

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Speaker 3: we will still be paying the price for where the

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Speaker 3: OCR is sitting right now, which is too high, for

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Speaker 3: probably another year, because that is how long it takes

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Speaker 3: the OCR to wash through the system. So we've got

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Speaker 3: inflation officially in the right place today sixteen October twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, but we are still going to be punished

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Speaker 3: by an overly high OCR for another year through to

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Speaker 3: October twenty twenty five. So yeah, the inflation fight absolutely

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Speaker 3: is over, but the punishment got a way to go yet.

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Speaker 1: Haven't we Keller duper Clan nine two nine.

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Speaker 3: Two is the text number. You're welcome to get involved.

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Speaker 3: Standard techs fees apply now to the drama about the

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Speaker 3: Elfresco dining. You'll have caught up on this happening in Todanger,

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Speaker 3: also happening in Queenstown in Toadinger. The plan is to

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Speaker 3: that they use. Local businesses are not happy with this,

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Speaker 3: so the council has now made a decision to give

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Speaker 3: all businesses a one hundred percent discount on those fees

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Speaker 3: until mid next year. Mahir Drysdale is the mayor of

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Speaker 3: todannger Hoi. Maham good afternoon is giving them a discount

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Speaker 3: of like a complete one hundred discount, not an admission

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Speaker 3: that you guys charging them this much is a bit

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Speaker 3: of a punish.

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Speaker 4: No, I think it's it's a couple of reasons. So

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Speaker 4: these these fees came in on the first of July,

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Speaker 4: obviously before we were elected. We understand how tough it

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Speaker 4: is in the environment out there right now, you know,

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Speaker 4: in the CBD where we're trying to make it more vibrant,

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Speaker 4: you know, which has meant a lot of our hospitality

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Speaker 4: businesses have had to suffer through you know, construction works

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Speaker 4: all around them. And so you know, we want to

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Speaker 4: try to give them a little bit of a hand up.

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Speaker 4: You know, we do want to put these these agreements

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Speaker 4: in place. But we're saying is we're not going to

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Speaker 4: charge you and until at least next year, and that

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Speaker 4: will give us an opportunity to get out understand you know,

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Speaker 4: what the charges should be, and have them consult on

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Speaker 4: on those charges.

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Speaker 3: So that does that that sounds to me like you

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Speaker 3: were prepared to have another look at it and maybe

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Speaker 3: bring those charges down. Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we haven't set these charges. You know, this was

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Speaker 4: inherited by us, so yeah, well absolutely you have a look. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: you know, we want these businesses to be around because

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Speaker 4: that drives the vibrancy of our city. So you know,

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Speaker 4: we want to work with for sector and make sure

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Speaker 4: that that you know, we're getting a return for them

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Speaker 4: using our space, but we're also supporting them and that's

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Speaker 4: that's very much. You know, what our counsel wants to

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Speaker 4: be is transparent in the county.

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Speaker 3: Mahe what does he gut tell you that that it's

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Speaker 3: maybe a little bit high because one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: dollars per square meter per year is what Auckland charge.

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Speaker 3: Is it like it's that's its highest charge in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Is many times bigger than total.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I don't know, to be honest, and you

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Speaker 4: know that's that's a conversation we need to have for

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Speaker 4: the people that are on the ground and using using

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know we've had.

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Speaker 4: A very complicated them in place around you know what

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Speaker 4: we've tried to do is simplify that have a couple

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Speaker 7: To look at that.

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Speaker 4: And you know, at the moment, we're only being charging

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Speaker 4: something that we want to sort of consult on understand

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Speaker 4: should it be the same everywhere? And you know, what

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Speaker 4: should those charges be? And that's what we'll do over.

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Speaker 3: Over the next Yeah. Please, I'm sure people will be

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Speaker 3: pleased here listen to how on something else, I saw

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Speaker 3: that you voted against adding fluoride to the water because

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Speaker 3: you're not short's safe. What are you worried about?

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Speaker 4: I think there's a there's a lot of studies and

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Speaker 4: America that's just come out saying there's a unreasonable risk

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Speaker 4: to to you know, safety risks. So you know, all

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Speaker 4: all I really want to do is I want to

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Speaker 4: those you know, all those studies are you know, aren't

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Speaker 4: it's safe for our people and that's that's really you know, because.

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Speaker 3: The last DG do the last d G Ashley Bloomfield,

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Speaker 3: decide that that it was compulsory it was going to

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Speaker 3: take on it not sufficient?

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Speaker 4: I think there's just been further information since those decisions

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Speaker 4: it's absolutely safe, then you know, I'm very comfortable adding

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Speaker 4: it to the water. But they're also under a court case,

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Speaker 4: you know, against the Bill of Rights, and you know

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Speaker 4: whether it's an impunement on our bella rights. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: once I've done that, you know, well we'll go along

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Speaker 3: All right, my hair, thank you very much. I really

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Speaker 3: appreciate you time.

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Speaker 8: Mate.

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Speaker 3: This is my hair. Drysdale, Mayor of Toting. I imagine

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Speaker 3: quite a few business will be pleased to hear that

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Speaker 3: should have just wrapped up. The meeting started at help

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Speaker 3: Us two and should have wrapped up at four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: There is no other way to describe this other than

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Speaker 3: a crisis meeting. It's clearly been called in order to

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Speaker 3: because everything is tickety boo. I have not heard how

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Speaker 3: the meeting's gone, but I do not fancy Tory's chances

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Speaker 3: not been able to reach agreement for how long now,

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Speaker 3: And if she thinks that one and a half hours

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Speaker 3: to how they're going to plug a six hundred million

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Speaker 3: One of the counselors in that meeting, Diane Helbert, is

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Speaker 3: going to be with us ten past five and let

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Speaker 3: sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, It's hither duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant.

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Speaker 1: Leap for business, US.

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Speaker 2: Sport with tab get your bed on a eighteen bed responsibly.

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Speaker 9: Don's wrong, Mike, do you think Don's playlist is going

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Speaker 9: to get any traction on Spotify? Sorry, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 9: we're just talking about Donald Trump's for forty minute playlist.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to deal with the playlist. Yeah, because that

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Speaker 3: was that was an epic set of bangers, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: listen to black Caps. Are they're going to take on

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Speaker 3: Indian and get us thrashing?

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Speaker 9: Possibly not because it's raining at the moment the thunderstorm's predicted.

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Speaker 9: The black Caps haven't actually left their hotel yet. They

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Speaker 9: are still in their room waiting. Although where they're playing

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Speaker 9: the Chinnswami Stadium, it can drain ten thousand liters an

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Speaker 9: hour or something really that Yeah, so it'll rain stop raining, yeah,

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Speaker 9: so unlike what happened when they played against Afghanistan where

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Speaker 10: So we don't know whether they get out today.

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Speaker 9: Who has any idea? And these thunderstorms are set to

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Speaker 9: hang around for the next few days, so it may

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Speaker 9: well end up that the weather saves it and we

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Speaker 3: Do we care? We're going to wallop Japan anyway?

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Speaker 9: Ah, whether it heals, whether it means. But Peter Larky,

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Speaker 3: It has ramifications. All right, Darcy, thank you. That's Darcy.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for the Trump playlist?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did because nothing compares to him. That's

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Speaker 3: why stand by Darcy water Graves sports talk hosts back

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Speaker 3: Peter McGlashan will be with us at quarter past fives

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Speaker 3: to peace, stand by for Trump, be for twenty two.

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Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need

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Speaker 11: They'd be right.

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Speaker 3: Four twenty four. So Trump has been weird of the normal,

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Speaker 3: And then he spent forty minutes playing his favorite bangers.

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Speaker 12: You?

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Speaker 3: Hate? Hey?

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Speaker 12: Hey? Hate?

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Speaker 3: Do you not play? This is a banger? Listen to

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't this a song? He played it at his raelly.

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Speaker 12: Not just much?

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Speaker 3: But the next one he loved. He closed his eyes,

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Speaker 3: It takes a certain amount of confidence to play nine songs,

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Speaker 2: see Alan drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected

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Speaker 3: At the five o'clock. We're gonna have a chat to

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So the US government has written to the Israeli military

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Speaker 3: And finally, the drummer of Queen has hinted that the

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Speaker 3: Roger Taylor told Uncut magazine that he and Brian may

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Speaker 3: Jan Let Simpson, US corresponder with US NOW Dan Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 3: What did you make of Donald Trump's epic music list?

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Speaker 16: He doesn't have rhythm? We know that, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I mean it takes a.

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Speaker 3: Level of confidence. I Dan, you people are known for

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Speaker 12: It is.

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Speaker 16: It is a one writer I think it was with

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Speaker 16: I mean, you know, is this Trump being Trump? Or

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Speaker 3: Well, because we're talking about him.

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Speaker 16: We're not gonna do any questions. Justice listen to this music,

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Speaker 3: Did you know, though, Dan, that apparently he actually does

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Speaker 1: Jet that act did not know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is not unusual for him, He actually does.

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Speaker 3: He backs himself as a purveyor of quality tunes.

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Speaker 16: Well, I guess we'll have to nickname him something cool

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Speaker 1: Well it is, I think.

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Speaker 16: I mean, if you're feeling stressed out, I mean, you're

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Speaker 16: you're watching our election from over in New Zealand.

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Speaker 12: Unfall over here.

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Speaker 16: There's a survey from Forbes that found about sixty one

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Speaker 16: percent of us say that it's affecting our mental health.

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Speaker 16: We've got anxiety and stress and feelings of fear when

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Speaker 16: you think about the election. And depending on the generation

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Speaker 16: you were born in too, I think the younger ones

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Speaker 16: like gen Z or Seeing were more stressed. Were some

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Speaker 16: of the older folks, you know, the over fifties and

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Speaker 16: sixties and seventies are just saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, get on with it.

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Speaker 16: But I know for a fact, and you may mock this,

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Speaker 16: but I think it's also impacting those people who report

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Speaker 16: on politics too. You know, a lot more people in

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Speaker 16: the last decade over here have gotten out of the

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Speaker 16: business and they switch professions, and many that I've talked

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Speaker 16: to at least see you know, it's a lot of

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Speaker 16: it's the stress and not only covering politics, but the

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Speaker 16: reaction that they get from from the public, you know,

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Speaker 16: the hammering about what they what they do, that's taking

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Speaker 16: a toll on them.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe if I just did a bit of job,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't get a hammering. I thought about that.

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Speaker 16: Wow, Okay, I guess so, I guess so Present company excluded, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, obviously, But the reason I say that is because

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Speaker 3: the mo We've just got stats out showing again how

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Speaker 3: low the trust media is, right.

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Speaker 16: It is, it's down to something like thirty one percent,

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Speaker 16: where only you know, people say, well, you guys are

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Speaker 16: sort of trustworthy here. And you know, the Gallup which

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Speaker 16: does all these polls, goes back to the early nineteen

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Speaker 16: seventies and back then, I mean the trust was about

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Speaker 16: seventy percent, seventy two percent, and then they did it

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Speaker 16: again in the nineties and they found a smaller majority,

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Speaker 16: about fifty five percent trusted the news media. So the

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Speaker 16: question is what's going on? And I think it a

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Speaker 16: lot of this has to do where people get their

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Speaker 16: news from and how they consume news. That makes it

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Speaker 16: easy to understand why they may have the distrust because

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Speaker 16: more people are turning into thing to sources that have

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Speaker 16: really opinions than just facts. And you know, that's fine

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Speaker 16: to a certain extent, but you know, if you get

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Speaker 16: on one side and you're not going to see the

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Speaker 16: view of the other, then that obviously is going to

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Speaker 16: swear your opinion on the media of the trust that

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Speaker 16: you have.

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Speaker 3: You do need a bit of balance. Hey, Dan, thank

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Speaker 3: you as always really appreciated. There's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent

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Speaker 3: on the cricket. It looks like the toss has been delayed.

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Speaker 3: Journals on the ground are reporting that the teams haven't

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Speaker 3: arrived yet, so we're gonna have to waste a little

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Speaker 3: bit see if that actually gets underway. On the text

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Speaker 3: through the inflation here that Adrian or is slow and

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Speaker 3: he's about two years behind where he should be. He

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Speaker 3: was slow to increase rates, he's going to be slow

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Speaker 3: to reduce them. And the politicians seems to be really

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Speaker 3: slow in firing the incompetent idiot. Unfortunately, he's independent. You

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Speaker 3: can't really be getting involved. But in terms of in

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Speaker 3: terms of a lack of confidence in his abilities, I

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Speaker 3: think we're all. I think many of us are starting

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Speaker 3: to join that particular camp. Hither, if inflation is at target,

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Speaker 3: then the ocr should be moved to a neutral level

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Speaker 3: of around three percent a SAP and not kept up

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Speaker 3: at some high restrictive level for the next year so

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Speaker 3: that the Reserve Bank can save face. Heither, you need

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Speaker 3: to calm down. The problem is that the non tradable

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Speaker 3: inflation is still five point five point eight percent. Mate,

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Speaker 3: what are you talking about? It's four point nine you're

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Speaker 3: like point nine of a percent off anyway, whatever, take

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Speaker 3: your point. Imported goods like fuel came down in the

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Speaker 3: exchange rate went up, so imported cost rop. But we

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Speaker 3: need to get domestic costs down to get internal inflation down. Now,

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Speaker 3: that's a fair point from Dave. If you drop the

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Speaker 3: ocr too fast, you run the risk of inflation shooting

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Speaker 3: back up again, and that is a risk. That is

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Speaker 3: a risk. But you can probably still bring it down

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Speaker 3: quite fast, can't you. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments certainty, very.

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Speaker 3: So perceni your political correspondence with us. Now, hey, Barry,

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Speaker 3: So what is this about the teaching of mary being

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Speaker 3: and compulsory in some school.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's really interesting because one of our listeners was

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Speaker 11: concerned that he had a student in a school in Wellington,

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Speaker 11: in just out of Wellington, in fact, it was called

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Speaker 11: Amesbury School, and he basically felt that his daughter was

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Speaker 11: falling behind in mathematics. So he went to the school

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Speaker 11: and she found that she was learning to write Maldy

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Speaker 11: and tikkanga and he felt that, well, hang on, what's

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Speaker 11: more important is it Maldy language or is it maths

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Speaker 11: and so he complained to the school but he was

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Speaker 11: told and I've seen an email that he got today

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Speaker 11: from the principle and I've got to say I talked

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Speaker 11: to the principal, Ershley Cunningham, who was very forthright. She

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Speaker 11: said that she had talked with the advisor she's got

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Speaker 11: at the Ministry of Education regarding this, and this would

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Speaker 11: have been over the past twenty four hours, and she

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Speaker 11: said she's been advised around the requisites for school curriculum,

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Speaker 11: local school curriculum. Any school can adopt a curriculum and

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Speaker 11: if it includes to Rail Maldy, the parents aren't consulted.

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Speaker 11: The school goes ahead and teaches it. And apparently it's

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Speaker 11: taught quite widely in Wonnington and I would imagine across

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Speaker 11: the country as well. Now, just a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 11: Calvin Davis was saying that lock Maldi language, we're not

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Speaker 11: ready for it to be compulsory in schools, but it

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Speaker 11: is compulsory because that child has no way out of

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Speaker 11: having to learn it. So Maldy, to all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 11: is compulsory the language to be learned in schools.

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Speaker 3: Well, in some schools obviously the well those who choose

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Speaker 3: the curriculum, Well, that would include it, indeed, And they've

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Speaker 3: got to abide by the Act.

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Speaker 11: And the Act says that I have got to if

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Speaker 11: you listen to Urshela Cunningham, the school has to abide

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Speaker 11: by the Act and that's to take into a count

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Speaker 11: the Treaty of Whitehungy. And she said, as a result,

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Speaker 11: Tea Kanga and turol Mali are part of that.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Are we talking primary or secondary here?

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Speaker 11: Primary here?

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Speaker 3: Okay? And so what's the if the parent has a

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Speaker 3: problem with this, why don't they just move the child

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Speaker 3: to a school that doesn't make Well, it's a.

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Speaker 11: Bit of a big thing moving a child from a school,

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Speaker 11: as you'd probably appreciate. But you know, I think that

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Speaker 11: it should be surely over to parents to decide whether

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Speaker 11: they're children learn Mary or not to learn Mary. They

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Speaker 11: should be able to learn what the parent sees more appropriate.

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Speaker 3: But parents mathematics or must play the devil's advocate, he

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Speaker 3: appearents don't get to choose whether the child learns maths

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Speaker 3: or not. So why should they get to choose whether

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Speaker 3: the child learns Maria?

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Speaker 11: Well, Mary is English, yes, because we are an English

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Speaker 11: speaking country. Mary is a cultural thing and it's good

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Speaker 11: to know about a language. But then why do we

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Speaker 11: have to learn the language.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to the school you do. It's an

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Speaker 3: official language. Okay. Anyway, Chris Hepkins has he actually put real,

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Speaker 3: real dollars on him becoming the next prime minister?

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Speaker 11: Did he has? And you'll be aware of the poll

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Speaker 11: out last night, and of course you are that if

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Speaker 11: you look at the personal ratings, Chris Hopkins was down.

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Speaker 11: But nevertheless he says that he will be the prime

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Speaker 11: minister after the next election. Now, he was challenged about

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Speaker 11: that on news Talk z B by Nick Mills and

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Speaker 11: Wellington and he said that he would put money on it,

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Speaker 11: and he said, let's go for a thousand bucks, said Nick,

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Speaker 11: let's place the bet. Yeah, now, now let's do it. Well,

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Speaker 11: he said, would go to their favorite charity. And Chris

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Speaker 11: Hopkins says, yes, absolutely, I'm on good as gold. So

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Speaker 11: he won't only lose the next election if he still

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Speaker 11: runs the losing a thousand. The fact is that it's

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Speaker 11: very difficult for the Labor Party at the moment because

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Speaker 11: they've got well, I'm better off to stick with Chris

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Speaker 11: Hipkins because chances are they will lose the next election.

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Speaker 11: I would say I'd put money on that myself, but

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Speaker 11: you know, they really haven't got any candidates that you

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Speaker 11: could readily identify in the Labor Party at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Hey, the Greens, this meeting that they're having about kicking

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Speaker 3: Darleen out tomorrow night. Are they doing it online? Are

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Speaker 3: they doing it in person?

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Speaker 11: No, they're doing it. It's a zoom meeting and they'll

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Speaker 11: have the requisite number there as I understand it that

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Speaker 11: some other members of the party that are pretty hot

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Speaker 11: on the walker jumping legislation, they'll be able to have

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Speaker 11: a say, but that'll be limited, very limited and strictly

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Speaker 11: adhered to.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is outside of the side of the delegates.

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Speaker 11: Yes, and once they've concluded that meeting. I've been told

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Speaker 11: from talking around the Greens today that the walker junking

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Speaker 11: jumping legislation will be put in force, which means the

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Speaker 11: Greends would write to the Speaker. Now, the Speaker won't

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Speaker 11: be able to take any action on it before next

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Speaker 11: Tuesday because Thursday night Parliament goes into recess for the weekend.

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Speaker 11: So the next time they're back, that's when it will

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Speaker 11: be invoked and he will declare that a seat is

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Speaker 11: vacant and it'll be the seat of Darhli in Tana.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, thank you, Barry, appreciate it. Barry Soper, Senior

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Speaker 3: Political Correspondence, eight away from five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the news speakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: The interventionism of the Supreme Court. You Zeeland, the initiative

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Speaker 17: chair and senior fellow Roger Partridge is well, We'm glad

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Speaker 17: somebody's finally got onto this because this has been concerning

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Speaker 17: me for absolutely ages. Is it the individual group of

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Speaker 17: judges at the Supreme Court level that we just happen

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Speaker 17: to have got some sticky peaks, or is it the

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Speaker 17: court itself?

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Speaker 18: It's more the current judges. We've always had activist judges

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Speaker 18: within our senior courts. A movement has gained momentum over

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Speaker 18: the last few years, so we are seeing a court

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Speaker 18: that's much more activist, to the point where we're at

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Speaker 18: a bigboy to the riskers. They're perceived as substituting their

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Speaker 18: own values for those of them. I'm a law it's

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Speaker 18: obvious that they're not equipped.

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Speaker 12: To do that.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the rain drove of the laugh used talk zb Heather.

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Speaker 3: It's such a shame that the Darlene Tanna entertainment is

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Speaker 3: going to end soon. I don't know if it's going

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Speaker 3: to because don't forget. Even if she gets booted out

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Speaker 3: of parliament, right, she's still going to the Court of Appeals.

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Speaker 3: So the thing still drags on. So maybe it gets better,

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Speaker 3: but it's still kind of like I think we can

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Speaker 3: still we can still have a bit of fun that

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Speaker 3: will still enjoy it. Hither, come on, by all means,

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Speaker 3: if you're ma already learned the language, but if you're not,

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Speaker 3: why would you, Well, you're kind of asking the wrong

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Speaker 3: person here, because I did for about five years. I'm terrible.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocking how hard it is when you're an adult.

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Speaker 3: But I did it because why would you only want

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Speaker 3: to be able? Why would you only want to speak

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Speaker 3: one language? It just feels like, yeah, it feels a

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Speaker 3: bit dumb, doesn't it to only speak one language. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of cool to have a couple up your sleeve

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Speaker 3: sort of understand how these things go. And if you're

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Speaker 3: going to learn one, you may as well learn that.

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Speaker 3: Ll learn whatever you want, learn any other language. But

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Speaker 3: for God's sake, do learn another one. Anyway, what's going

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Speaker 3: on in Wellington? Okay, So these guys came out of

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Speaker 3: the meeting meeting wrapped up. Sounds like just before four

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Speaker 3: o'clock and all of a sudden everything is just tikety boo.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 19: I think it was quite a productive meeting, and I

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Speaker 19: think that we had a very open discussion.

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Speaker 1: Everything's on the table, which is what.

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Speaker 20: I wanted to hear as the most productive meeting we've

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Speaker 20: as city councilors in this trianium. And I think there

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Speaker 20: was a lack of ego in the room for once,

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Speaker 20: lack of politics. The airport's done and dusted, No one's

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Speaker 20: religating that and we're moving on.

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Speaker 10: So I think there's a great deal of enthusiasm to be.

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Speaker 3: Able to be proactive and responsible in the way we

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Speaker 3: addressed this current challenge.

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Speaker 15: I now consider it as part of my responsibility to

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Speaker 15: try and bring the council.

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Speaker 3: Back together for the good of a city. So they

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Speaker 3: had their most productive meeting today, and the thing that

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Speaker 3: it took to get them to have their most productive

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Speaker 3: meeting was the threat of government intervention. So they've been

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Speaker 3: dicking around for all this and that suddenly they're having

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Speaker 3: the most productive meeting because now suddenly we're like, guys,

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Speaker 3: we're att aguts full of your nonsense. Now that oh not,

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Speaker 3: now they're productive. Anyway, We're going to talk to Dan

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Speaker 3: Diane Calvert about that. Ten past five and straight after

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Speaker 3: the news brad Olsen on inflation.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Do to c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Inflation is officially back where it belongs. CPI for

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Speaker 3: Q three came in at two point two percent today.

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Speaker 3: That is well within the one to three percent target range.

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Speaker 3: Now this puts pressure obviously on the Reserve Bank to

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Speaker 3: continue dropping the official cash rates significantly before the end

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Speaker 3: of the year. Brad Olsen is in for metrics principle economist.

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Speaker 3: Hey Brad, good evening. Now we can't say it's totally beaten,

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Speaker 3: because obviously it could rise again. How do you rate

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Speaker 3: the chance that inflation goes back up?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Look at the moment, it's an exciting day to see

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Speaker 10: inflation back in the target band and I'll take that

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Speaker 10: for the moment. Yes, there are always risks abound, particularly

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Speaker 10: you know, you look at the likes of fuel prices

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Speaker 10: which have come down in the last quarter or so.

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Speaker 10: That's been encouraging, but at the same time always a

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Speaker 10: risk that you know, foreign activities come through and you

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Speaker 10: have conflict that means that fuel prices rise, so that

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Speaker 10: there's a risk. You're totally right, and certainly this inflation

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Speaker 10: figure as well that was published today has been affected

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Speaker 10: by a number of government policy changes, the likes of

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Speaker 10: the family Boost scheme for early childhood, the return of

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Speaker 10: prescription charges, the end of the Auckland Regional fuel tex.

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Speaker 10: So there's a lot of moving parts. But long story short,

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Speaker 10: those core measures of inflation are in a better place.

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Speaker 10: We've got headline inflation back in the target band and

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Speaker 10: actually pretty close to the midpoint. Inflation was better than

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Speaker 10: is a good result. It does, I think also reinforce

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Speaker 10: why the Reserve Bank was to go with that fifty

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Speaker 10: basis point cut last week, because it is obviously quite

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Speaker 10: clear that phase and basing there's no need much restriction

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Speaker 10: on them.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Brad, your phone is just cracking up. So if

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Speaker 3: you've moved into a spot that's a bit dodgy, moved

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Speaker 3: back to the other spot that you were at at

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Speaker 3: the start, because that was pretty good. Do you think

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Speaker 3: now that inflation is sitting at two point two percent,

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Speaker 3: that the OCR at four point seventy five percent is

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Speaker 3: too high?

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Speaker 10: Yes, quite clearly, that the official cash rate is too high.

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Speaker 10: And I think that's why there is a strong possibility

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Speaker 10: now that the Reserve Bank will have to not only

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Speaker 10: continue to cut the official cash rate more aggressively than

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Speaker 10: it might have originally intended to, but it does open

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Speaker 10: that strong possibility of a seventy five basis point cut

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Speaker 10: in November when they meet in a couple of weeks time,

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Speaker 10: because they'll be looking at taking a three month break

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Speaker 10: a twelve week break over summer. Obviously, inflation is in

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Speaker 10: a better position, the economy doesn't need to be restricted

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Speaker 10: as much, and so they might well need to accelerate

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Speaker 10: how quickly they try and normalize things.

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Speaker 3: So if it's if four point seventy five percent is

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Speaker 3: too high, where should it be?

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Speaker 10: You've got to feel like at the moment, probably somewhere

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Speaker 10: around three and a half is sort of the sheet

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Speaker 10: plate place to get to.

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Speaker 3: Then we're talking about one hundred and twenty five basis

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Speaker 3: point cut and they've only got one more cut left

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 10: Yes, but and this is the challenge, is that around

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Speaker 10: three and a half is probably where you want to

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Speaker 10: get to.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 10: The risk is if you did something crazy like one

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Speaker 10: hundred or one hundred and twenty five, I think that

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Speaker 10: would signal to people that you've sort of lost all control.

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Speaker 10: And so I think it's something like seventy five. The

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Speaker 10: Reserve Bank can say, look, we're not saying we're wrong,

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Speaker 10: but we're saying that we're wrong enough that we probably

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Speaker 10: need to accelerate things without putting it down and writing

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Speaker 10: anything more sounds like absolute emergency alarm bells gfc's just

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Speaker 10: happen again. And we're not quite in that position, because

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Speaker 10: otherwise you would start to go, well, the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 10: might be doing the right thing, but do I trust

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Speaker 10: them that they've actually got any idea what they're doing.

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Speaker 10: If they had to go so big, oh, fifty is

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Speaker 10: sort of saying that they need to accelerate it. Seventy

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Speaker 10: five would be a big move, but they could probably

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Speaker 10: justify it in November, but they couldn't keep doing it

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Speaker 10: time and time again, So there's a little bit of

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Speaker 10: a balance for them in terms of do they go

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Speaker 10: big once and try and sort of really try to

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Speaker 10: get things down, but also they don't want to get

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Speaker 10: their inflation fighting credibility back and then also lose it

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Speaker 10: at the same time by everyone saying we've just always

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Speaker 10: moved too late on this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Brad, Have they realized that they got it wrong.

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Speaker 10: They'll never say it, but I mean put it this way.

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Speaker 10: They had twenty five basis point cut in August. They

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Speaker 10: followed that up with a fifty that wasn't really what

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Speaker 10: their own forecasts were implying. Of course, go back to May,

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Speaker 10: and they were expecting interest rates might have to remain

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Speaker 10: high or go up. So I think that sort of

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Speaker 10: pivot that they've had, despite the fact that there aren't

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Speaker 10: as many pictures of all of this from the Reserve Bank. Yes,

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Speaker 10: they have got it wrong. They've moved too slow. They

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Speaker 10: move too slow on raising interest rates. They've now moved

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Speaker 10: too slow to bring them down, and that's quite clearly

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Speaker 10: causing economic pain.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Brad, thank you very much, just as I thought.

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Speaker 3: That's Brad Olson, principal economist to add Informetrix five eleven.

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Speaker 1: Heather duple Syl Wellington.

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Speaker 3: City councilors have emerged from that urgent closed door crisis

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Speaker 3: meeting this afternoon. It was called by the mayor Tory

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Speaker 3: far She says, by the way, she's not even close

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Speaker 3: to resigning, and she's requested a meeting with Local Government

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Speaker 3: Minister Simeon Brown tomorrow.

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Speaker 21: The bar is pretty high for government intervention. We've not

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Speaker 21: met that threshold.

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Speaker 13: So I want to meet with Minister Brown and show

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Speaker 13: him that we're going to be fine.

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Speaker 3: Wellington City Councilor Diane Calvitz with us. Now, Hey, Diane, Hi, Heather. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So obviously it was a crisis meeting that was called

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Speaker 3: in order to save the long term plan, so that

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Speaker 3: Tory can go to sime And tomorrow and say here,

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Speaker 3: we've got we've got a plan. You don't need to intervene.

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Speaker 3: Have you saved the long term plan?

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Speaker 21: Well, look, let's a start. I mean, you know, now,

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Speaker 21: you know, people around the council table are acknowledging that

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Speaker 21: we need to make some cuts in our expenditure and

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Speaker 21: and you know, we had a good discussion about the

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Speaker 21: areas that we need to look at and sort of

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Speaker 21: the rough amounts we might need to cut.

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Speaker 3: How much do you need to cut?

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Speaker 21: Well, you see, that's the thing is, we're still not

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Speaker 21: sure because the information that we've had getting from our

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Speaker 21: offices has been varied. But we're looking sort of between

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Speaker 21: three to five hundred million at this stage, which you

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Speaker 21: know that might be too much or you know it

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Speaker 21: may not be enough.

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Speaker 3: So what are you going to cut?

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Speaker 21: Probably it's likely to be in the transport space because

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Speaker 21: that's where you know a lot of our money is going.

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Speaker 21: And probably we're going to have to look at how

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Speaker 21: we can work smarter and cheap and quicker in some

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Speaker 21: of our social housing upgrades as well, because there's a

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Speaker 21: lot of money being invented.

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Speaker 3: But so you guys have agreed to cut somewhere in

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Speaker 3: the region of three to five hundred million, and probably

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Speaker 3: in the transport space. This doesn't sound like a like

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Speaker 3: a like a plan has been nailed down.

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Speaker 21: The plan hasn't been nailed down.

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Speaker 3: So there's no plan for her to take to Simon tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: then is it.

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Speaker 21: I think what she's got is an approach to take

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Speaker 21: to Semi and saying I've got agreement around the table

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Speaker 21: that we will make cuts. They're roughly in this area.

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Speaker 21: They're going to be roughly around this amount of money,

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Speaker 21: but we we need more time to do more work.

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Speaker 3: Now, Diane, that's lovely, but I mean, you guys all

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Speaker 3: got together with the view of working together at the

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Speaker 3: very start, and things have fallen apart, right, So this

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Speaker 3: means absolutely nothing, doesn't it, because there's no there is

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Speaker 3: no assurance that you guys will actually be able to

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Speaker 3: agree on what to cut in the transport space.

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Speaker 21: Well, it was an effective stuff, but there's more work

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Speaker 21: to be done, and I think that's why. You know, Look,

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Speaker 21: you know, a facilitator is still required because toy does

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Speaker 21: need some assistance to help and navigate through the next

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Speaker 21: few months at least.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you still think government intervention is necessary, Well.

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Speaker 21: I think, you know, I think you know, the mayor

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Speaker 21: really does need some assistance because we've been we've taken

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Speaker 21: us two years for this to sort of come to

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Speaker 21: boiling point, but we've seen it, you know, building up

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Speaker 21: over it over a time. So look, a good start

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Speaker 21: today is a good feel around the table, but as

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Speaker 21: you said, it's just pretty much high level and the

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Speaker 21: devil's all in the detail.

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Speaker 3: Hey, last I heard you guys all came down from

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Speaker 3: your meeting and the media was standing in the four

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Speaker 3: year Did Tory come down in the end or she's

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Speaker 3: still up there in the office.

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Speaker 21: I never saw her come down, so I'm not aware

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Speaker 21: that she did, so I know some of us councilors

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Speaker 21: did come down.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Diane, thank you has always really appreciated Ian Calvert,

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Speaker 3: Wellington City Council. Laura is telling me in my headphones, Nay,

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Speaker 3: she didn't come down. Well, I mean at least she

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Speaker 3: hasn't got COVID right, so that's something she showed up

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Speaker 3: for the meeting today. So you know, we'll take small

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Speaker 3: mercy of the countdown. Blessings Now cricket. Okay, the rain

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Speaker 3: is now, it has it has subsided to something of

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Speaker 3: a drizzle. There are some people who are optimistic that

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Speaker 3: the game is going to go ahead. The match. Fifty

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Speaker 3: people have turned up at the ground, so we'll go there.

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Speaker 3: Next we'll go we'll talk to Peter McGlashan, form a

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Speaker 3: black cap and just see how we're going to go

873
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876
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877
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878
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,840
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879
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880
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881
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Speaker 3: and under five point seven seconds and it can toe

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883
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Speaker 3: the grunt without any of the guilt. And seriously, the

884
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885
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Speaker 13: Right.

886
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Only fifty vehicles remain available for delivery prior to the

887
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888
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889
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890
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: available to test drive before the end of the year

891
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: at your local BYD dealer and the pricing is going

892
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893
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Speaker 3: so head over to BYD Auto dot co dot Nz

894
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: for more. That's byd Auto dot Co dot Nz just

895
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Speaker 3: after seven.

896
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Heather Do for cl right now, it's nineteen.

897
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: Past five now yet another Black Caps test has been

898
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: delayed because of the rain. We already had to can

899
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 3: the whole Afghanistan Test because of the wet weather and

900
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: we lost two Zip and try Lancers, the whole tour

901
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 3: of the subcontinent isn't going all that well. Peter McGlashan

902
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: is a former Black capin with us. Now, Hi, Peter,

903
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: good evening, Good to talk to you again. Now, Peter,

904
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: tell me, Okay, should we be annoyed that the Test

905
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: is delayed or should we be relieved that we don't

906
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: have to watch India smash us?

907
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 22: Well, I mean it is just the first morning, so

908
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 22: we'd hope there wouldn't be too much smashing going on.

909
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 22: What it does do is it buys New Zealand a

910
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 22: little bit more time to decide on their playing eleven.

911
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 22: So because the game hasn't started yet, no one will

912
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 22: have necessarily finalized who's going to be in, who's going

913
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 22: to be out, And I guess we all wait with

914
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 22: baited breath to see one of the old experience players

915
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 22: like Tim so you're going to get another crack, or

916
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 22: whether or not they go with some of the young

917
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 22: bowlers like Willow rock Well.

918
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: Tom Lathan must be feeling the pressure here.

919
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 22: It's been a while since he's captained in this form

920
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 22: of the game. I think everyone has also been a

921
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 22: little bit critical of his own form, so it's never

922
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 22: easy to get handed the captain's arm badge when you're

923
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 22: not necessarily on top of your own game. But he's

924
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 22: a pretty level headed chap and I'm sure he would

925
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 22: have enjoyed the challenge whenever he gets the chance.

926
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: Because of how dominant India are, right and because of

927
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: how rare it is for us to win over there,

928
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: what would we consider a measure of success coming out

929
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: of this.

930
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think just being competitive across the whole game.

931
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 22: The conditions are going to be really trying. It's not

932
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 22: going to be I guess a favorable time for the

933
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 22: New Zealanders. The weather does it level the playing field

934
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 22: a little bit? Obviously they're in India at a time

935
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 22: of the year where it's not necessarily as hot and

936
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 22: dry as other times when you're over there. But the

937
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 22: test form is there's no way to hide. You're out

938
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 22: there for five days and reality is that generally the

939
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 22: best team will come out on top, as opposed to

940
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 22: the T twenty format where it's a bit more of

941
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 22: a lottery. So they just want to be competitive. They

942
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 22: want to make sure that they put in a better

943
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 22: performance than the recent series of Actualinka.

944
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: Peter, good to talk to you mate, Thank you so much.

945
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: Peter McGlashan former black Cap here the come on, you

946
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: can't expect the Wellington City councilors to come up with

947
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: five hundred million dollars in savings and just a couple

948
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: of ours. Get real, hey, listen to this, Okay. They

949
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: haven't been trying to come up with a solution to

950
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: the long term plan in the last couple of hours.

951
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: It has been apparent for months that the airport shares

952
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 3: sale was going to flop potentially, and that that would

953
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: mean that the long term plan was going to flop potentially.

954
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: So they have had months to think about this, months

955
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: and months and months and months and months, and they

956
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: haven't come up with a plan yet. And I don't

957
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: know if that if going to Sime in tomorrow and say,

958
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 3: saman you don't know, you don't need to intervene because

959
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: the counselors all agree we're going to work together now nicely.

960
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to fly. And also, PS

961
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: Tory was up like the thing fell over on Thursday, right,

962
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: so Thursday she's like that's not a big deal. Friday

963
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: not a big deal. Saturday not a big deal. Sunday

964
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: not a big deal, Monday not a big deal. Tuesday

965
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: not a big deal. Today, urgent meeting, big deal. So

966
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: I think there's your problem right there. Everything's not a

967
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: big deal until it's a crisis anyway, whatever, all power

968
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: to her. I think she's got come and what exactly

969
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: what she needs to have coming at her. We're going

970
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: to talk next about Chris Luckson. What's going on with

971
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: that pole? Five twenty two.

972
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

973
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy.

974
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

975
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: you talk.

976
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: As there'd be five twenty five.

977
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: Okay, on that poll last night, the pole said that

978
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: fifty one percent of us, which is more than half,

979
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: say that Chris Luckson is out of touch. More than

980
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: half is a big number.

981
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Right.

982
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: That's you can't just be like that pole sucks. You

983
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 3: got to listen to that now. Immediately you would assume

984
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: that what that is if you're talking about being out

985
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: of touch as a commentary on his wealth, right, he's

986
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: so rich, he's out of touch. But I don't think

987
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that's his problem because John Key was

988
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: way richer, and we didn't say this about John Key.

989
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: He polled extremely high. Mark Mitchell has a gazillion houses.

990
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: We don't say this about Mark Mitchell. So why are

991
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: we saying this about Chris Luckson. I think that there

992
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: is something else going on here, and I think it's

993
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: kind of brutal, I must say it. I think that

994
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: there's something else that's a problem for Chris Luxen is

995
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: that he's a try hard. He's not authentic.

996
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 23: Right.

997
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: If you listen to his weekly interview with Mike in

998
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: the Mornings, that laugh, that laugh comes out too often,

999
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: sounds like a guy who is trying desperately to make

1000
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: Mike like him. The freu is gonna have rail or not.

1001
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: Look tracks the dawn.

1002
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: Now, if you go and watch his tiktoks, don't go

1003
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: watch his tiktoks. It's awful. It's actually so cringe it's unbelievable.

1004
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: I can't explain why his wife a bucket of water

1005
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: on him. I've no idea. I don't know why that happened.

1006
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: It was weird. I also don't know why he did

1007
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: an entire thirty second TikTok video just using kids slang, and.

1008
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 12: Heasy on back on track, no cap fu man in

1009
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 12: School's eight and I left no crumbs slay.

1010
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: The only explanation is that he's trying really hard to

1011
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: make us like him, and he's a try hard now.

1012
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: In person, I really like Chris Luxon. He's actually a

1013
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: really nice guy. He's engaging, he's warm, he's got real

1014
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: good chat. But I do not see that when I

1015
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: watch him on TV or social media, and I do

1016
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: not hear that when I hear him on the radio.

1017
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: That says to me, the problem is a lack of authenticity. Right,

1018
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: that's a really big problem for a politician. I studied

1019
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: political science post the graduate level, and there's a lot

1020
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: of research on the fact that the most important thing

1021
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: that you have to have is authenticity, and he hasn't

1022
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: got it. John Key was authentic. He was as goofy

1023
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 3: in person as he was on the Telly. Helen was authentic.

1024
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: She was as stern in person as she was on

1025
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: the Telly. Right, Luxon's not authentic. That is what he

1026
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: needs to fix. This is fixable for him. He can

1027
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 3: repair this. He needs to be authentic, and I think

1028
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: that that is what the Pole is hinting at. He

1029
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: is out of touch with himself.

1030
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: Togever do for see, Ellen, we're gonna.

1031
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: Talk to the huddle about it, though with us obviously

1032
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: shortly it's Jack tam and David Farrer and David obviously,

1033
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean, David's been around doing bloody poles and stuff

1034
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: for the longest time and I'm quite keen to hear

1035
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 3: what he thinks the problem is here. But listen, straight

1036
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: after the news, we're gonna have a chat to the

1037
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: Daily Mail reporter who's been into over here out of

1038
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: Australia because the people in the UK are absolutely fascinated

1039
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 3: by Tom Phillips and his missing kids. She is still

1040
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: in country. Do you know what if anybody's gonna track

1041
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: them down, it's the Daily Mail?

1042
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: Do you know that?

1043
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 3: Like, it's not gonna be the police or the Essay Esa,

1044
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the Daily Mail. She's gonna pay somebody.

1045
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, is that is that the defenatory to

1046
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: say that about the date? And it's the Daily Mail.

1047
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: They're gonna pay somebody, They're gonna find them, They're gonna

1048
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: get the story. We'll talk to her next.

1049
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: Hard questions, Strong opinion, Heather dupless Ellen drive with One

1050
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as it'd be.

1051
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: Like, right the huddler standing by.

1052
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: We have, as I said earlier, Jack named David Barrow

1053
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: with us shortly. I told you yesterday that the Aussies

1054
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: look like they are going to all that they are

1055
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: are gonna get rid of just ban the search is

1056
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: on using your debit card, not touching the credit card

1057
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: just yet, use it just on the debit card. Apparently

1058
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 3: our minister who's in charge of the stuff the comm

1059
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: moves Mini standrew Billy's also pretty interested in doing a

1060
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: similar thing. So he's gonna be us after six o'clock.

1061
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: And I've got to tell you about eyesight. This is

1062
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 3: absolutely fascinating to stand by. Heather Luxe and hates controversy.

1063
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: He's getting a reputation for having no balls where Winston

1064
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: and Seymour have and that's his problem. I think that

1065
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 3: that is probably actually part of it is that I

1066
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 3: think we all realize there are some pretty narly issues

1067
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: to be dealing with right now, and I think what

1068
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: we would appreciate is spine on those things that may

1069
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: not be coming through in the focus groups. Fortunately, David

1070
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: does focus groups and he's with us shortly twenty three

1071
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: away from.

1072
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: Six Heather duper Cela.

1073
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: Turns out there is now actually a significant international interest

1074
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: in the story of Tom Phillips and his three kids,

1075
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: who've been missing since twenty twenty one around Marta Krper.

1076
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: The Daily Mail has even gone as far as sending

1077
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: one of their journalists here to cover the story. That

1078
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: journalist to Charlotte carp who is with us. Now, Hey, Charlotte, Hi,

1079
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: are they really that interested? Where are they? Is this

1080
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: UK interest or Ossie interest?

1081
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 5: It's a bit of both, but most of it comes

1082
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 5: from the UK.

1083
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1084
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 5: Why, I think the UK are really into missing people's stories,

1085
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 5: and they really like a survivalist story, and I guess

1086
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Speaker 5: this is the ultimate survivalist story. You've got a dad

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Speaker 5: and three kids living off the land. You know, that's

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Speaker 5: just I think that's unheard of over there.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, So why did you guys decide that

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Speaker 3: the people helping them out? Because clearly there aren't people

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Speaker 3: in the area helping them out. That that cookers.

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Speaker 24: I just wrote to a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of people and that was what they had to say.

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Speaker 5: They gave me a couple of reasons about why that

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Speaker 5: would happen made sense to me. So yeah, enough people

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Speaker 5: said it that, but.

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Speaker 3: That that cookers like that. It's a it's like a

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00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory thing that's going on here?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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Speaker 3: Or is it just are you just using that term

1101
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: like just a bit weird?

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Speaker 23: Ah?

1103
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Speaker 24: I mean I think yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean I definitely had a mix of opinions when

1105
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 5: I spoke to people. Some people were saying conspiracy theorious,

1106
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 5: others were saying not. I mean, you know, I can't say.

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Speaker 3: For sure, have you got any I mean, look, I'll

1108
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: tell you what, Charlotte. If I had to put my

1109
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 3: money on, who's going to find them? It's the Daily Mail?

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Speaker 3: So how close have you got?

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Speaker 5: Oh, they're walking past right now now that you mentioned.

1112
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Speaker 3: How close do you reckon? You've got to them?

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00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 5: I've been here since Monday, so that's anyone's guess. Probably

1114
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Speaker 5: not super close, but you know, I keep an eye

1115
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 5: out like everybody does.

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Speaker 3: I guess was it was it the image of them

1117
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: in the camo gear walking through the bush that really

1118
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Speaker 3: got the people in the UK phism?

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Speaker 5: I think it did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because it is just it's such a wild

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Speaker 3: thing to see a dad doing with their kids. Yeah. Absolutely,

1122
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Speaker 3: would you pay for info.

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Speaker 1: If it was genuine?

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Speaker 3: How much would you pay, Charlotte?

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Speaker 25: It depends what it is.

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Speaker 5: It depends what the information is. I don't think that

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00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 5: there's a news outlet in Australia that wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 1: So all right, kind of information.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what's your theory. Having spent some time on

1130
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Speaker 3: the ground, having talked to a lot of people, what's

1131
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: your theory about where they are? Are they being helped

1132
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: out by a lot of people or just a few?

1133
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is just my opinion from talking to people.

1134
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Speaker 5: I think that they're being helped out by a few people,

1135
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: for sure. I don't think it's a whole you know,

1136
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 5: I don't think it's the whole of this area of

1137
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Speaker 5: New Zealand. But yeah, I think that there are people helping.

1138
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Speaker 5: I've had people say that they would help if they

1139
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 5: came knocking.

1140
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Speaker 3: Oh really, because what they feel sympathy for him?

1141
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah they do.

1142
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Speaker 3: Why do they feel sympathy for him?

1143
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 5: They say, he's just a dad who loves his kids

1144
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: and he wanted to protect them from whatever is going

1145
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Speaker 5: on in the courts.

1146
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Speaker 3: Ah, So it's a running from a custody thing, is it?

1147
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 5: I think so?

1148
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Speaker 3: Yeah? And do you do you think the people helping

1149
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: are just like an extended family and friends or is

1150
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: there some sort of an organized thing going on here,

1151
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 3: like a church group or something.

1152
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Speaker 21: I couldn't say.

1153
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 5: You know, it could be a mix, but I can't say.

1154
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 3: For how long are you sticking around for Charlotte.

1155
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Speaker 5: Probably just the end of the week.

1156
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Speaker 3: Well, good luck. If you're running out of time, you

1157
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: need to find them fast. I really appreciate your time.

1158
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Speaker 3: That Charlotte carp Daily Mail Australia senior reporter who's been

1159
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Speaker 3: sent here to keep an eye on it. Fascinating A

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Speaker 3: nineteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Six the Huddle with New Zealand southerbast International Realty, local

1162
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Speaker 2: and global exposure like no other.

1163
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Speaker 3: Right on the huddle with me this Even've got Jack Dame,

1164
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Speaker 3: host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings, David Farrah

1165
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Speaker 3: Curia Pulsa and here we blog it a A hello

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Speaker 3: you two. Okay, David, what's the problem with lux and

1167
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 3: why to fifty one percent of us think that he's

1168
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Speaker 3: out of touch.

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Speaker 23: The nature of that question and it's a very interesting

1170
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Speaker 23: one because it's a he asked all around the world.

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Speaker 23: Because one of the things in polling and politics is

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Speaker 23: you you always want to patrol to portray the other

1173
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Speaker 23: side as our touch, and it tends to get people

1174
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Speaker 23: a green unless you're quite exceptional, because look, the average

1175
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 23: person never thinks the prime minister or ministers are particularly

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Speaker 23: in touch. So the nature of the question, have you

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Speaker 23: asked there about other party leaders? You probably get similar results.

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Speaker 23: On top of that, though that is partly a wealth thing,

1179
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Speaker 23: as partly he saying, yo, does this person understand what

1180
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 23: it's like to be poor, etc. So when you get

1181
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 23: that combination that you're an incumbent and you're wealthy, you

1182
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 23: tend not to do on that but to put it

1183
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Speaker 23: in context. Though Luxn's overall favorability is around my latest

1184
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 23: poll plus four. Now you can look at them and

1185
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 23: say that's not great plus four. You know, we had

1186
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 23: just sender John Key at plus threety plus forty, but

1187
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 23: lock around the world, Alban Thees is minus twenty. Kea

1188
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 23: Starmer's at minus thirty.

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Speaker 13: By them, well he's dead.

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Speaker 3: I think you are giving me the worst examples, though,

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Speaker 3: David Barra, don't try and play that trick with me.

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Speaker 23: Most incumbents are actually unpopular. So when you're at plus five, yes, yeah,

1193
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Speaker 23: that's not too bad.

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Speaker 3: But why is he not doing as well as jk

1195
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: Helensinda et cetera.

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Speaker 23: Jake, Kay and Jasinder were once and a generation.

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Speaker 13: Politicians to connect well are spoiled? You know, Look you

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Speaker 13: look at Australia, remember that many of their elections were

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Speaker 13: contests between two politicians at minus twenty and when English

1200
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Speaker 13: went up against Jasinda, they were both at round plus forty.

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Speaker 23: And I don't think we realize how rare that is.

1202
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 23: That's a really popular choice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jack, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think you guys have covered it off. I've

1205
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 12: just had a couple of things. I think we forget

1206
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 12: that he's actually pretty new to politics and he's been

1207
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 12: out of New Zealand for a long time, so it's

1208
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 12: been overseas for a while. And I'm not saying he

1209
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 12: doesn't understand New Zealand, but I think there's some like

1210
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 12: contextual stuff that you always benefit from if you've been

1211
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 12: here for a longer period recently. I also think having

1212
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 12: not been in politics as long as as both John

1213
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 12: Key and Justindra are doing were before they became Prime minister,

1214
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 12: and but English as well. Maybe his political instincts aren't

1215
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 12: quite as well honed yet as some of his predecessors.

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Speaker 12: And one last thing I'd add is, just like on

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Speaker 12: the communication front, as you both mentioned, John Key and

1218
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 12: Jacindra durn were just extraordinarily talented, talented communicators in their

1219
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 12: own in their own ways, quite quite different ways. And

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Speaker 12: I just think it's incredibly hard act to follow. When

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Speaker 12: you're in that role as Prime minister, everyone expects you

1222
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 12: to have, you know, absolutely perfect communication skills. And I

1223
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 12: don't think Christopher Lax is a bad communicator, but he's

1224
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 12: not able to kind of be nearly as natural and

1225
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 12: every man as John Key was able to do, which

1226
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Speaker 12: is remarkable given john Key's worth, what a couple hundred

1227
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Speaker 12: million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true, Okay, guys, we'll take a break. Come back

1229
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Speaker 3: very shortly sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the

1231
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Speaker 2: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Tory Farner has just put out a statement. I

1233
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: can immediately see that they are in trouble. I'm going

1234
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: to run you through that before the end of this

1235
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: half hour. Right now you're back with a huddle, Jack

1236
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: taym and David Farres, Speaking of which, Jack, do you

1237
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: think that this meets a threshold? Do you think that

1238
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 3: they have done enough in this meeting to be able

1239
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: to stop the Minister intervening in the council?

1240
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 12: Well, it absolutely depends on the plan that she's going

1241
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 12: to be presenting to the Minister and whether or not

1242
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 12: there's a feasible way they're going to be able to

1243
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 12: pass this long term plan.

1244
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: So the plan is this, Jack, The plan is that

1245
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: they've agreed to cuts off roughly between three to five

1246
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: hundred million, but they haven't agreed where the cuts are

1247
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: going to come from, and they haven't identified the projects.

1248
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Speaker 3: Is that enough?

1249
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Speaker 12: I don't think it's going to be enough by itself

1250
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 12: to stop the Minister from intervening. But I also think

1251
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 12: I know that this minister is very, very enthusiastic about

1252
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 12: maintaining community level democracy. We all remember that he restored

1253
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 12: democracy and Todung It is one of his very first

1254
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 12: actions as the Local Government Minister. So so presuming he

1255
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Speaker 12: sticks with that ethos despite the very obvious problems they

1256
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 12: have in Wellington, I don't think that will necessarily be

1257
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 12: the death knell like that, they may still have an opportunity.

1258
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: A Crown monitor does not remove the democracy.

1259
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Speaker 12: So that's not he it's not a commissioner. No, No,

1260
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 12: it's like the first step, right, yeah, and and and

1261
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 12: and they may he may well consider that it meets

1262
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 12: that threat, meets that threshold. I certainly don't think it

1263
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 12: meets the commissioner threshold just yet. But if they can't

1264
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 12: agree on these cuts and where these cuts need to be,

1265
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Speaker 12: and can't therefore pass a long term plan, well clearly

1266
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Speaker 12: that that, you know, that makes things a whole lot

1267
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Speaker 12: worse than they already are, and they're already pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: David, I don't think this saves a day, Like to

1269
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Speaker 3: a one and a half hour crisis meeting on a

1270
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Speaker 3: Wednesday ahead of a meeting with the minister on a Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Just smacks of desperation, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: There's a band aid.

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Speaker 23: But having said that the government shouldn't intervene in my view,

1274
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Speaker 23: both on principal and politics. The principal cases that the

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Speaker 23: threshold should be very high. They didn't intervene when Tim

1276
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Speaker 23: Shedbot was obviously dementing. You have to actually be failing

1277
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Speaker 23: like ekem were at your statutory levels.

1278
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Speaker 1: There's elections a year.

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Speaker 24: So the principal case.

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Speaker 23: Isn't their front invention just because their muppets doesn't actually

1281
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 23: mean with their muppets we voted for.

1282
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Speaker 1: But the political case is stronger.

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Speaker 23: Why would you want to intervene and have Wellington's problems

1284
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Speaker 23: become central governments?

1285
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Speaker 1: Respond?

1286
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Speaker 3: You make a very good point, David, and I thought

1287
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Speaker 3: about this, and I reckon, I've got the answer for you.

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Speaker 8: Right.

1289
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Speaker 3: You put a Crown monitor in there who just basically

1290
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Speaker 3: holds their hands so it looks like you're doing something

1291
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Speaker 3: when you're not actually doing all that much and you're

1292
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: not taking on their problems. But what it also does

1293
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Speaker 3: then it helps your local Wellington based MP, who frankly

1294
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Speaker 3: can't win a seat and need some assistance, being Nicola Willis,

1295
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Speaker 3: so she gets some credit for the fact that she

1296
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: has actually taken this seriously and stepped in there, but

1297
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Speaker 3: without actually having to take responsibility. Do you see what

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 23: Here's what's more important than Nicola winning Ohario. If you're national,

1300
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Speaker 23: he's winning your next election. Here's what I would I'd

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Speaker 23: tell the whole country want to know a Labor.

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Speaker 1: Green government will look at.

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Speaker 23: Because it's the feast promotion against a Labor Green government.

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Speaker 5: So I mean.

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Speaker 3: This is actually a fair point, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Jack.

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Speaker 3: If you just let Tory carry on down the path

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Speaker 3: that she's going down, you basically just write the advertisement

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Speaker 3: for what the Greens and Power look like.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think from a perspective, I think from a

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Speaker 12: strategic perspective, David's one hundred percent right. The thing is, though,

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Speaker 12: I mean, like Tory has, to your points, has arguably

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Speaker 12: been let down by people who are supposed to be

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Speaker 12: on her side of the political divide.

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Speaker 3: But this also makes the excuses for Toy no I

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Speaker 3: know I'm saying.

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Speaker 12: I'm saying I think I think Toy has been let

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Speaker 12: down by people on the left in her in her council.

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Speaker 12: Like I think there's an argument to be made that

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Speaker 12: she has been let down by the more left leaning

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Speaker 12: members of Wellington Council, but.

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Speaker 3: Also without that she's doing a fine job of letting

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Speaker 3: herself down.

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Speaker 12: I also, well, I mean, you know, she was the

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Speaker 12: one seeking to compromise and sells he is well into

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Speaker 12: the airport right, and it was it was people on

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Speaker 12: the left of her who ultimately opposed that for various reasons.

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Speaker 3: That's not the problem. That's not that is not the

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Speaker 3: sole problem.

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Speaker 12: I'm not saying it's good. I'm not Look, I'm really

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Speaker 12: not defending her at all. I'm not defending the council

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Speaker 12: at all. I think it also speaks to people like

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Speaker 12: completely misunderstanding the dynamics and council versus central government. They

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Speaker 12: are entirely different beasts. Running them is entirely different, and

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Speaker 12: I think local council is arguably much much more complex

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Speaker 12: than than central government. And actually, you know, there's a

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Speaker 12: good argument to be said that actually before you become here,

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Speaker 12: maybe getting a bit more experienced in local government would

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Speaker 12: be a valuable thing because you can realize the importance

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Speaker 12: of consensus and when you look at consensus, When you

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Speaker 12: look at consensus, I think it's very hard to go

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Speaker 12: past how Wayne Brown has performed and surprised a lot

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Speaker 12: of people in building consensus on both sides of the

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Speaker 12: political aisle. Wayne appear all from the Wellington right now

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Speaker 12: and there you go, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Vote for the old guys. Hey, what happened to Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: David what was up with that?

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Speaker 23: Doesn't probably him has more benign where he just decides

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Speaker 23: to stop talking.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 23: Any other politician who did that, you'd be calling the

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Speaker 23: ambulance up to say comply, side check, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: But what Trump?

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Speaker 23: This is like totally in character, probably some of the

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Speaker 23: least concerning stuff he could do. And that is sort

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Speaker 23: of why they like him too, Like, look, he's crazy,

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Speaker 23: but that's a fun crazy where he's so unconventional people

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Speaker 23: like we were talking but before about luxing people who

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Speaker 23: support Trump, and I don't like him because he's himself.

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Speaker 23: He does this authentic, nutty dark which any professional press

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Speaker 23: secretary would not be saying, Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 12: Just stop talking and dance for the guys.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I really appreciate talking to the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jacks and David barras seven away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan drive

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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News

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Speaker 2: Talk Zebby.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so here's the problem. So Torris put out her

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Speaker 3: statement Mayoral statement on the Long Term Plan Amendment, blah blah,

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. I want to assure the public that

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Speaker 3: as we go through this process, I do not intend

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Speaker 3: to cut projects that are critical for our city's growth

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Speaker 3: and sustainability. For me, that means protecting our social housing

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Speaker 3: and continuing funding for water and climate initiatives. Okay, there's

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Speaker 3: a hint at a problem here. Blah blah blah. There

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Speaker 3: was a shared commitment for the council to investigate the

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Speaker 3: sale of ground leases and credit carbon credit holdings to

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Speaker 3: form the basis of a fund or other insurance mechanism

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Speaker 3: they can offer both returns. Blah blah blah. Okay, there's

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Speaker 3: your problem. Diane was Diane Calvert, the counselor, was on

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Speaker 3: the show with Us What Not Not forty five minutes

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Speaker 3: ago saying that she understood that they had agreed that

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Speaker 3: they would be cutting out of things like the transport budget.

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Speaker 3: No mention from Tory of cutting out of things like

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Speaker 3: the transport budget. The only thing that she's mentioned is

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Speaker 3: selling carbon credit holdings and ground leases, and she's made

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Speaker 3: it very clear that protecting social housing, water and key

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Speaker 3: climate initiatives. The transport stuff is a climate initiative. So

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Speaker 3: there's your problem. So if I was simme in tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: I'd be sitting there going yeah, But Diane says that

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Speaker 3: you're cutting transport, are cutting transport. Now, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to cat transport. Well that doesn't sound like a plan,

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Speaker 3: does it. So Simon, I mean Sami as a smart cookie,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna be sucked in by this stuff. Good

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Speaker 3: luck to her. I can't see this happening anyway. Listen,

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on that, because it's always gonna be

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Speaker 3: a thing tomorrow. Our eyesight, now, if you'll look, if

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Speaker 3: you'll think, not a registered financial advisor, do not take

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Speaker 3: advice for me, but if you're thinking where should I

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Speaker 3: put my money, you might want to put your money

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Speaker 3: into eyes, contact lenses, glasses, that kind of thing. Because

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Speaker 3: we are going blind, right, We're all looking at at

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Speaker 3: our screens the whole time. Kids have like epic levels

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Speaker 3: of myopia at the moment. If you read about what's

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Speaker 3: going on kid's eyesight, because theren't spend enough time out

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Speaker 3: there looking at the horizon and the trees and stuff.

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Speaker 3: They're looking at the screens and the books. Books are

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Speaker 3: great screens crap. And also we're getting older, right, and

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Speaker 3: the older you get the worst your eyesight gets well.

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Speaker 3: Debora Lamby is going to talk us through the investments

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Speaker 3: into eye sights. She's from Milford Acid Management. She's with

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Speaker 3: us before half past six, News Dog zb.

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Speaker 24: O.

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Speaker 8: Hell should be tracked where the money is flowing with

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Speaker 8: the Business hour with Hender due to clan and my

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Speaker 8: hr on News talks at me.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour Milford Aset Managements.

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Speaker 3: Deborah Lamby on the big business in eyesight Genative. Traine's

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Speaker 3: going to talk us through ACC's massive seven billion dollar deficit.

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Speaker 3: And we'll also talk to a military lawyer who reckons

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Speaker 3: it'll be the defense force, not the cops, who track

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Speaker 3: down the missing Marti Corper family if they are allowed to.

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Speaker 3: Right now seven past six. Now, the Aussies, as I

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Speaker 3: was telling you yesterday, are about to get rid of

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Speaker 3: some of those annoying fees that you get hit with

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Speaker 3: when you pay by card, and it looks like we

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Speaker 3: might follow suit. The Ossie government is planning to ban

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Speaker 3: the surch charges for purchases made by debit card. Commerce

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Speaker 3: and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bailey is with me right now. Hey, Andrew,

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Speaker 3: how are you going? I'm very well, thank you So

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Speaker 3: are you planning to ban debit card surch charges.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we were working on I've been working with the

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Speaker 6: Commerce Commission for several months. In fact, we're a biggerhead

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Speaker 6: of Australians. We've just finished the Commerce Commission's just finished

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Speaker 6: consultation process and it's had a lot of submissions and

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Speaker 6: we expect to now make an announcement the next few weeks.

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Speaker 3: How what about the credit card surcharges?

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Speaker 6: Well, the two there's two things that the Commerce commissioned

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Speaker 6: in consult on. There's two parts that one is the

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Speaker 6: interbank fee charges and then the overall surcharge aspects that

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Speaker 6: when you go in and pay for your coffee, you're

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Speaker 6: incurring that total cost. So the focus has been on

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Speaker 6: both interbank charges and surcharge the total fee because we

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Speaker 6: want to make sure that you're not the worst thing

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Speaker 6: at the moment when you're go into a shop buy coffee,

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Speaker 6: you don't know what is the surcharge. So we want

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Speaker 6: to deal with both debit cards and credit cards.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so would you ban the seur charge with credit

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Speaker 3: cards as well?

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Speaker 6: No, it's not a question of banning the total surcharge.

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Speaker 6: There is a legitimate fee to some extent, it's just

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Speaker 6: a question what is an appropriate feed at the moment? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: at the moment, you know, you can be paying up

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Speaker 6: to two and a half percent, and it's difficult for

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Speaker 6: the retailer as well. In many cases, the retailer doesn't

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Speaker 6: know what what is an appropriate fever has made up

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Speaker 6: of a whole lot of components. But what we want

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Speaker 6: to make sure is that we have visibility around the

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Speaker 6: interbank charge, which is the key of account for about

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Speaker 6: sixty percent of the total costs that people pay, and

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Speaker 6: also making sure we've got to cap around the total

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Speaker 6: search charge that people.

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Speaker 3: Where do you reckon that captured sit?

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Speaker 6: Well, we'll wait and see what what the Commics Commission

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Speaker 6: went out with. They talked about an interact charge of

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Speaker 6: one point two percent and zero point seven percent for

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Speaker 6: a total but that look, let's wait until the commiss

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Speaker 6: Comission primish its report.

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Speaker 24: It's done.

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Speaker 6: It's going through that process at the moment. But we

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Speaker 6: are very committed to make sure KIV is not paid

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Speaker 6: more at the till when they go to buy something

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Speaker 6: they ought to.

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Speaker 3: So if we if we are talking about everything here right,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about going down and get your sushi paying

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Speaker 3: for your flights or your yeah I don't know, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: travel agency fees. But also if you go onto their

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Speaker 3: New Zealand websites, what you're paying there that little search

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Speaker 3: charge on the credit card, that would be capped as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because what happened. If there's clarity around it, then

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Speaker 6: then the retailer or energine whatever can knock at what

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Speaker 6: their situation isn't adjusted accordingly. So it's we will cap

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Speaker 6: like the end bank charge, that'll be something that Commics

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Speaker 6: commissill be quite clear about. But the total surcharge, there'll

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Speaker 6: be a clarity around that, and then the retail or

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Speaker 6: whoever will be in a position to be clear about

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Speaker 6: what they should be.

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Speaker 3: What's your time for, Andrew? When are you going to

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Speaker 3: do this?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Matter of next few weeks. Actually we were hoping about

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Speaker 6: to make an announcement before then, but the number of

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Speaker 6: submissions that the Comments Commissioner received they want to take

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Speaker 6: a bit more time to process.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it very very much. Andrew thinks

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Speaker 3: you very much, really appreciate it is Andrew Bailey, Commerce

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Speaker 3: and Consumer Affairs Minister. Oh those sur charges, they don't

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Speaker 3: they grind your gears? I'll tell you got two of

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Speaker 3: my favorite ones. The in New Zealand sur charge, Oh

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Speaker 3: angry every time, briefly angry. I've got used to it.

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Speaker 3: It's like a tiny little flare up. I I'm angry,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, what, what can you do? You

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Speaker 3: resigned to it. The other one, the old parking one.

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Speaker 3: You know when they're like it's going to cost you

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Speaker 3: fifty cents to park your and fifty cents to use

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Speaker 3: your credit cut or and then I'm over it again.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, he's going to fix it for us. So

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Speaker 3: that's that's fantastic. Now on the ocr not everyone, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like I need to mention this because of

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Speaker 3: the respect that I have for the SPAN. Not everyone

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Speaker 3: is convinced that we need to have a seventy seventy

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Speaker 3: five basis point cut next month. Tony Alexander reckons it's

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Speaker 3: too much. He reckons it's got to be fifty basis

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Speaker 3: points because he says, and this is a fair argument,

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Speaker 3: it's the probably the strongest argument. Not totally convinced, but

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Speaker 3: it's the strongest argument. Local inflation is still too high.

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Speaker 3: He says, four point nine percent in this past year.

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Speaker 3: This is too high. And an easy challenge to those

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Speaker 3: who might say the economy is so munted local inflation

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Speaker 3: has died. It has not. It remains too strong. So

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Speaker 3: barring some fresh horrible news for the world or local economy,

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Speaker 3: we can still reasonably expect another fifty basis point cut

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Speaker 3: in the OCR in November, taking it to four point

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Speaker 3: two five percent. Now, he does make a strong argument

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Speaker 3: in his article, which you could go and read if

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Speaker 3: you want to on the Herald at the moment, but

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Speaker 3: still that inflation at four point nine is still a

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Speaker 3: lot lower than was expected. It was expected around five

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Speaker 3: point four or something like that, if my memory serves

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Speaker 3: me correctly, And it's mostly made up of things like

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Speaker 3: rates and rents and insurance. Right, It's not like your

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Speaker 3: supermarket or anything like that. It's these big one offs

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Speaker 3: or things that are already coming back or settling, like rent.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like it's not as big a problem

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Speaker 3: as potentially he is saying it is. But then again,

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Speaker 3: host the Economist him six thirteen, crunching.

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Speaker 2: The numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplice Ellen

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Speaker 2: with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR, the HR

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Speaker 2: platform for SME on us Talk sv Hey.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four has been a bumpy ride for employers

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Speaker 3: and employees, but as we head into the summer and

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Speaker 3: the Christmas season, there is actually a lot for businesses

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Speaker 3: to look forward to, and it also means it's a

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Speaker 3: great time to get your employment and people management practices

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Speaker 3: sorted so that you and your team can flourish as

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Speaker 3: things pack up. Now, if you have any HR or

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Speaker 3: with us, now, hey, do you know, hey, Jay, how

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Speaker 3: has ACC gone from a nearly billion dollar surplus last

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Speaker 3: year to a seven billion dollar deficit this year? What happened?

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Speaker 25: Good question. Now, a number of things contributed towards this.

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Speaker 25: One of the things that ACC pointed out was the

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Speaker 25: fact that it's taking people who get injured longer to

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Speaker 25: get rehabilitated, to get their injury sorted and to get

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Speaker 25: back to back to work. Now, I thought, well, well

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Speaker 25: that's interesting. You know what, what's what's changed? And one

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Speaker 25: of the things that pointed to was the problems in

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Speaker 25: the health sector, the staff shortages. It means it's taking

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Speaker 25: people longer to be seen by a health professional, and

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Speaker 25: then it's also the gap between consultations with a health

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Speaker 25: professional is also increasing. So all of that means we

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 25: are staying injured unproductive for longer and that's weighing on

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Speaker 25: ACC's books. Another thing that it pointed to was a

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 25: particular court case that wrapped up that increased the number

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Speaker 25: of people entitled to ACC cover. Now this is quite

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 25: a curly court ruling, but it relates to people who

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Speaker 25: were sexually assaulted as children, and it relates to their

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Speaker 25: ability to get ACC cover for the mental injury that

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Speaker 25: they suffer as an adult due to that childhood use

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Speaker 25: that they suffered.

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Speaker 3: Is it the mental injury? Because first of all, obviously

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Speaker 3: the people that are being covered here are new, but

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Speaker 3: the injury, the mental injury, is that new as well.

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Speaker 25: It's basically the coverage. So there's a complicated thing around

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 25: when ACC recognizes when you receive the injury. There's a

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Speaker 25: technical thing that's changing around the recognition of that. But

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01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 25: this is actually really really significant. So this particular court

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Speaker 25: ruling means that ACC will pay an extra about three

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Speaker 25: point five billion dollars to people who are currently injured

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Speaker 25: to pass trauma past injuries into the future. So you

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Speaker 25: know that that is a really significant thing.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 25: I sat down today here with the CEO and the

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Speaker 25: DPCO at ACC for about a half an hour and

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Speaker 25: nothing one of this out. And the thing is is

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Speaker 25: that there are laws which ACC operates under. But then,

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Speaker 25: like everything, things got to court and that tests the law,

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Speaker 25: and this particular ruling really seriously expands the scope of

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Speaker 25: who could be eligible for ACC cover. Now it's so

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Speaker 25: this particular thing around the sexual offending is so major

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 25: that ACC is actually still working through the details of

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Speaker 25: exactly how it's going to deal with it and pay

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Speaker 25: out billions of dollars more to a whole bunch of

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Speaker 25: people who weren't previously eligible.

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Speaker 3: So what can they do about it? I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: obviously got if these people are now eligible, they're going

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Speaker 3: to have to cover the people. What can they do

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Speaker 3: to actually try to get the books back into the black?

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Speaker 25: Well, this is where it gets rather nai for the government.

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Speaker 25: ACC has been proposing significant levy hikes, so that's you know,

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Speaker 25: levees that that we all need to pay to keep

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01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 25: the system going. You know, that's to pay for all

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Speaker 25: the things we've just covered, also just general inflation. The government,

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Speaker 25: ACC's made recommendations, it's consulted on those levy hikes. The

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Speaker 25: difficult thing here for the government is that, you know,

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Speaker 25: they're a government of low taxes, so it might be

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 25: a hard sale for the government to come to all

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Speaker 25: of us and say, hey, we're putting the ACC levees up.

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Speaker 25: But the other tricky thing for the government is that

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01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 25: it's also committed to reducing its deficit So last week

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Speaker 25: we learned that the government's books are about twelve billion

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Speaker 25: dollars in deficit. Now ACC's deficit has contributed four billion

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Speaker 25: dollars to that deficit. So the worst ACC does, the

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Speaker 25: worse the government's books, does you know, in the government's

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Speaker 25: saying we're going to get the books back in surplus.

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Speaker 25: A way to solve that is to increase these levees.

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Speaker 25: But the government has also that's also going to be

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Speaker 25: hard sale. Yeah, population to the populace. So to me,

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Speaker 25: this really comes love actually down to a number of things.

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Speaker 25: But you know, these issues in the health sector that

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Speaker 25: we're struggling with that are affecting sick people, injured people

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Speaker 25: are now actually affecting the government's books as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating. Heyjina, thanks for talking us to really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: This genated trainy the heroes Wellington Business Editor and listen,

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 3: we're going to deal with this medic Corps situation again

1641
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 3: because there are now suggestions that actually we could find

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01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 3: this family if we wanted to, but we would have

1643
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: to send the essays in the military guys, you know,

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01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 3: the the ballers, the thugs, you know, like the real guys,

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 3: the real heroes. You need to send them in because

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01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 3: then the your normal cop is just going to make

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 3: too much noise crunching around in the bush. So you

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01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 3: need to send the stealth warriors in. But the problem

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: with that is I think you can't just be sending

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Speaker 3: in the military on citizens. You probably need Prime Minister

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01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 3: or sign off or something like that. Anyway, we're going

1652
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: to talk to one of the military lawyers who will

1653
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 3: explain the whole kerfuffle to us when he's with us.

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01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 3: Just after half bus six six twenty.

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Speaker 2: One, everything from SMEs sort of big corporates The Business

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01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: Hour with Heather Dup of CLS and my Ah the.

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Speaker 1: HR solution for busy SMEs on News TALKSB.

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01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: Heather read the ESAs you could not just use the

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 3: sas to locate and observe until such time as it

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01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 3: would be easy to help police make their rest. Maybe

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 3: you could potentially do that and we'll talk to the

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Speaker 3: lawyer about this stuff. Six twenty four. Now, the issue

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01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 3: of aging populations is becoming more and more of a

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Speaker 3: focus for investors because get this, I mean this is

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Speaker 3: massive right Globally, the number of people aged over sixty

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01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 3: is going to double, and those over eighty is going

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01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: to triple just in the next twenty six years, and

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Speaker 3: of course the implications for our eyesight is massive. Debora

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Speaker 3: Lamby from Milford Asset Management is with us now, Hey, Deborah.

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Speaker 12: Evening, how are you?

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01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm well? Thank you? Now, vision care is becoming more

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01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: critical right, not just for individuals but investors as well.

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01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 24: So right now, globally around one and three people are

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01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 24: myopical short sighted, but by twenty fifty that number will

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01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 24: jump to nearly one and two, so every second person

1677
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 24: will be either myopic or short sighted. And there's a

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 24: couple of factors behind this. So firstly, aging populations, which

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Speaker 24: you've already mentioned. As we get older, our eyes naturally

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 24: change and people are more likely to need corrective lenses,

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 24: whether that's glasses or contact lenses. And then secondly, increasing

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01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 24: screen time. So have you ever wondered how much our

1683
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 24: daily screen habits affected our eyesight. We are now nearly

1684
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 24: a decade on from the launch of the iPhone four,

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01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 24: which is widely thought to have mean the mass driver

1686
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 24: of mass smartphone adoption, with the whole world now moving

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 24: towards increased screen time, and so it's become pretty clear

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 24: that prolonged screen time is not good for your vision

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01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 24: over the long term.

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Speaker 3: So if you're looking at it from an investment perspective,

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Speaker 3: in this particular part of the market, who are the

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01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 3: main players?

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 24: Yeah, So the global contact lens market, it's around sixteen

1694
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 24: billion dollars in size, and there's three big players that

1695
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 24: control ninety percent of that market. So there's a Swiss

1696
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 24: company called Alcon, along with US companies Johnson and Johnson,

1697
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 24: which you probably know from products like band aids, Johnson

1698
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 24: baby products, and Listerines. And then there's author US company

1699
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 24: called Cooper Vision. And historically the market has grown around

1700
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 24: five percent a year, but over the past few years

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 24: those factors that we've talked about, growth has been accelerating

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01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 24: to just under ten percent a year.

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 13: Now.

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01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 3: I've been hearing that what's going on is that there

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01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 3: are people who previously might have used like monthly contact lenses,

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 3: now using daily contact lenses. I imagine that's having an

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01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 3: impact on the market, is it.

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Speaker 24: That's a great point. We are witnessing a major shift

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01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 24: there as well. So people are moving from as you've said,

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01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 24: monthly or bi weekly lenses, which lasts for two to

1711
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 24: four weeks to daily disposable lenses which are worn for

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01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 24: just once a day, and daily lenses they offer they're

1713
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 24: more convenient and comfortable, lower risk of infections, and also

1714
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 24: thanks to manufacturing advancements, they're also becoming more affordable. So

1715
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 24: this shifts led to a dramatic increase and the volume

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 24: of lenses being used worldwide. So if you're using monthly lenses,

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01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 24: you need twenty four lenses a year, so one per

1718
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 24: I per month. But with the daily lenses, you need

1719
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 24: around seven hundred lenses per year, so that's nearly thirty

1720
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 24: times more.

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01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's massive. That's a huge jump in demand, right,

1722
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 3: So can companies actually keep up with this increase?

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 12: So in short, not yet.

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01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 24: One for these products has been stronger than what the

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01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 24: companies can actually produce, and all of the main players

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Speaker 24: have been investing a lot over the past few years

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Speaker 24: to build out capacity, but they are still selling lenses

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Speaker 24: faster than they can make them, so it takes time

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Speaker 24: for new factory lines to come online and this dynamic

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Speaker 24: is expected to continue for a number of years. And

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Speaker 24: one of the benefits for companies is that operating in

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Speaker 24: a simply constrained environment has allowed them to maintain strong

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Speaker 24: prices for their lenses, which has been good for industry growth.

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Speaker 3: So how have the shares of these companies performed then.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, these companies have been pretty solid performers, especially given

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Speaker 24: they operate in a more defensive part of the market.

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Speaker 24: So so far just this year, our come shares are

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Speaker 24: up around twenty five percent, Cooper shares are up around

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01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 24: fifteen percent, shares in Johnson and Johnson A up around

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01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 24: seven percent. But that's more diversified, with vision care only

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01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 24: making up around five percent of their total revenue. So

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Speaker 24: given the aging populations, increasing screen time, and the shift

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Speaker 24: to daily contact lenses, the contact lens market is really

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Speaker 24: in a period of transformation, and it's the space that

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01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 24: invests are becoming interestingly increasingly interested.

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Speaker 3: In fascinating stuff. Debrah, thanks for chatting us through. There's

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Speaker 3: Debra Lambia of Milford Asset Management. Yeah, the old eyes.

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Speaker 3: You know what what you could also do though, if

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01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 3: you don't want to stack the money in the old

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Speaker 3: contact lenses this, go get some corrective, corrective laser stuff,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? That's what Polky was doing,

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01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: Philip Polkinghorn, he was doing the old lay wasn't he

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01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 3: doing the old laser stuff, doing the eye stuff. Anyway,

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01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 3: Betty regrets screening out of that business because judging by

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Speaker 3: these numbers, you make an absolute killing there headlines next hanging.

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Speaker 8: Up the past.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather duper Cur and my HR

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Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy sms on news talks, it'd.

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Speaker 3: Be wed.

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Speaker 12: Ray.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be with us in ten minutes time.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like the foreign investors are actually already

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Speaker 3: warming to putting their money in New Zealand. And it's

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Speaker 3: based simply on the change of government, nothing more than that.

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Speaker 3: That's and obviously what the change of government means in

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Speaker 3: terms of regulation and legislation. Simpson gans Aggresson's done a

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Speaker 3: survey of ninety international investors from Asia, Pacific, North America

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Speaker 3: and Europe. Now it is slightly skewed in our favor

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Speaker 3: because these guys are already investing here the ninety or

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Speaker 3: they have advised on a deal an investment deal here beforehand,

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Speaker 3: right so they've very good bit of a taste of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. And the question they will ask is whether

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Speaker 3: they'd be keen to do more. Almost sixty percent said

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Speaker 3: the change in government last year had increased their intention

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Speaker 3: to invest in New Zealand. Ninety eight percent of them

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Speaker 3: we're considering doing so in the next five years. Not

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Speaker 3: planning anything really is very much smaller number planning anything

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Speaker 3: in the next year, but looks like after a year

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Speaker 3: through to five years, I'm more keen. Not loving the

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Speaker 3: red tape in the country. So a couple of the

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Speaker 3: few things I've mentioned. They don't love the red tape,

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Speaker 3: which is good then that the government is dealing with

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Speaker 3: the OIO, the Overseas Investment Office, and also the oil

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Speaker 3: and gas stuff and all that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 3: they also think that the corporate tax rate is too high.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a twenty eight percent, it's been there for

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Speaker 3: the last fourteen years and most the average top corporate

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Speaker 3: rate amongst the EU twenty seven countries is somewhere between

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Speaker 3: twenty one and twenty four percent. Ozzie's still thirty but

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Speaker 3: we're still little on the high side. Actually globally right

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Speaker 3: now twenty two away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven together do for clan Now it's.

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Speaker 3: Being suggested that the right team to track down the

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Speaker 3: missing Mater corpor Dad and his kids are not the

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Speaker 3: police but actually the sas. The family has been missing

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Speaker 3: since about twenty twenty one and despite a few cracks

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Speaker 3: out of the cops haven't been able to track them

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Speaker 3: down yet.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Grant Fletcher is a barrister and military lawyer.

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Speaker 7: High Grant good an evening, I think, how are you

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Speaker 7: very well?

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Speaker 23: Thank you?

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Speaker 12: Grant.

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Speaker 3: Listen, why can't the nztesas just be sent in right?

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Speaker 3: If these guys can track the family down, why haven't

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Speaker 3: we done it?

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Speaker 7: It's a good question, and the reality is that in

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Speaker 7: a constitutional democracy like New Zealand, like the United States,

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Speaker 7: like the United Kingdom, the military is designed to be

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Speaker 7: dealing with external situations, where it's the police and conventional

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Speaker 7: law enforcement that deals with internal situations. And if we

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Speaker 7: think about a Banana Republic, say you've got the vision

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Speaker 7: of soldiers patrolling in the streets, an armored personnel carriers

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Speaker 7: on every corner. That's why in most democracies the use

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Speaker 7: of the conventional military internally is very very tightly constrained.

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Speaker 7: It's okay for the New Zealand Army, for example, to

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Speaker 7: assist with civil defense, disaster relief, and the defense that

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Speaker 7: allows that it's called a public service. It's when they

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Speaker 7: start to get into actual law enforcement that it starts

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Speaker 7: to get constitutionally quite murky. And under New Zealand's framework,

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Speaker 7: it's very very tightly constrained, right.

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Speaker 3: And so what you need prime ministerial sign off?

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Speaker 7: Do you pretty much?

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Speaker 14: So?

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Speaker 7: For effectively disaster relief, no, it doesn't need Prime minister

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Speaker 7: prime ministerial sign off because that's a civil service. But

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Speaker 7: if it is for the military to have the power

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Speaker 7: of the police, which would include the ability to detain someone,

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Speaker 7: then that needs prime ministerial approval. Now, obviously there's a

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Speaker 7: slightly murky area between what is a public service and

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Speaker 7: what is a law enforcement role. And I think a

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Speaker 7: thing that's also going to affect the decision makers in

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Speaker 7: relation to this is that this is really stepping into

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Speaker 7: law enforcement role, which is not the job of the military.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon that the cops can't track this family down?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, to be quite honest, what their capabilities

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Speaker 7: they've got to bring to bear r So I can't

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Speaker 7: really comment, but I could certainly say that the New

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Speaker 7: Zealand military would easily have this capability under their belt, because.

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Speaker 3: I would have thought the police would. I mean, they

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Speaker 3: have the Eagle helicopter available to them. The Eagle helicopter

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Speaker 3: has a heat sensor and surely you just have to

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Speaker 3: shoot that around the place and eventually you'd see four

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Speaker 3: warm bodies in the bush, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 7: Again, I don't know. I mean, anyone who does any

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Speaker 7: hunting at all will will have it looked through. Thermal capabilities,

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Speaker 7: and the modern thermal equipment is pretty god but in

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Speaker 7: some situations it doesn't work thack bosh or if there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of heat signature in the background. I genuinely

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Speaker 7: don't know the level of capability that the police would have,

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Speaker 7: So I can't really speculate.

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Speaker 3: Now that we've got the media from around the world

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Speaker 3: who are interested in this, and I mean fascinatingly actually

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01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 3: led the Daily Mail apparently a couple of times over

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Speaker 3: the weekend in the UK, do you think it's going

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Speaker 3: to put pressure on authorities to step the efforts up

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Speaker 3: to catch this family.

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Speaker 24: I hope not.

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Speaker 7: And the reason I say that is that the decision

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Speaker 7: makers within the police and indeed within wider government shouldn't

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Speaker 7: be influenced by public opinion and media pressure. Was all

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Speaker 7: due respect to your profession. They need to be the

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Speaker 7: calmest heads in the room and work towards a peaceful

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Speaker 7: and a peaceful resolution.

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Speaker 3: Grut, and I agree with you because there may be

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Speaker 3: things that we do not even know. They're having to

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Speaker 3: consider it right that they may have it. They may

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Speaker 3: be having to weigh up all kinds of weird stuff

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Speaker 3: that we're not aware of.

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Speaker 7: I think that would be right. And you know, I

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Speaker 7: hate to quite Donald Rumsfeld, but any person planning any

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Speaker 7: sort of activity needs to bear in mind three things.

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Speaker 7: There's no knowns. The blokes in the North Island, there's

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Speaker 7: known unknowns. We don't know where he is. But the

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Speaker 7: most dangerous thing that a decision maker has to deal

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Speaker 7: with in what should enter every single planning process that

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Speaker 7: they're doing, is unknown unknown. I mean, there may be

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Speaker 7: things out there that they literally do not know, and

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Speaker 7: they need to have contingency planning for that.

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Speaker 13: Grant.

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Speaker 3: It's really fascinating. Hey, thanks for talking us through it.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciated. That's Grant Fletcher, barrister and military lawyer, eighteen

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Speaker 3: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's handed duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

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Speaker 2: my HR, the HR solution for busy s Emmy's on

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Speaker 2: news talk.

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Speaker 3: Whether that children not pegs or dere being home being

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Speaker 3: hunted down. Look, I agree with you, to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, I'm very conflicted on this and maybe we'll

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01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 3: talk about it at some stage, just quickly. I think

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Speaker 3: I've been proven right in my suspicion yesterday that the

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Speaker 3: real reason that the health bosses of Waikatl Hospital asked

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Speaker 3: the foreign nurses to only speak in English is because

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Speaker 3: we don't like hearing other languages. I think that's what

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Speaker 3: was going on.

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Speaker 23: The reason.

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Speaker 3: The reason I say that is because it turns out

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Speaker 3: there's another example of this happening in Palmerston North Hospital,

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Speaker 3: where a general manager who himself sounds Indian, sent out

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Speaker 3: a WhatsApp voice message telling nurses not to speak in

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Speaker 3: their first language because a patient complained.

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Speaker 26: The first complaint is from a patient where there were

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Speaker 26: two Indian nurses who were speaking in their own language

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Speaker 26: and therefore making the patient feel quite disrespected and excluded

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Speaker 26: from the conversation.

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Speaker 3: So what so what just tell the patient pull their

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Speaker 3: bloody it in, do they want to have nurses or not? Anyway,

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Speaker 3: there you go, it's not about clinical concerns at least

1912
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Speaker 3: that their complaints not about clinical suits. It's just because

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Speaker 3: somebody felt a bit left out because they couldn't understand

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Speaker 3: fourteen away from seven Give or with us Now, Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray Are UK correspondent, Evening, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: Hi the hella.

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Speaker 3: Now, when I first heard that there was this idea

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Speaker 3: of maybe giving the people on the doll the fat jeb,

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01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 3: I thought, this is not for real. But this is

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Speaker 3: for real, isn't it?

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Speaker 19: Yes, very much so. And it's the second a thing

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Speaker 19: that the current labor government had done all about supposedly

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Speaker 19: getting people back to work. So in this particular instance,

1924
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 19: they're saying obesity is costing the National Health Service in

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01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 19: the UK twenty four billion New Zealand dollars a year,

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Speaker 19: and it's getting worse. And that is something that is

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Speaker 19: obviously terrifying because diabetes is expensive to try and cure

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Speaker 19: and stop, and the situation seems to be getting worse

1929
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Speaker 19: very rapidly. But this idea that actually obesity is leading

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Speaker 19: to many many people not being able to work who

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Speaker 19: want to work, is something that's relatively new. There have

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Speaker 19: been no studies suggesting, incidentally, that this happens, and Yet

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Speaker 19: the company Eli Lilly, the one of the world's largest

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Speaker 19: pharmaceutical companies, if not the biggest, is investing in the

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Speaker 19: UK that was announced on Monday, and now we learn

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Speaker 19: that the same company will be responsible and tied up

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Speaker 19: in a deal along with another company producing a zepic,

1938
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 19: a well known loss weight loss drug, in combining with

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01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 19: the UK government to try and give these weight loss

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Speaker 19: jobs to those who are jobless, saying it will benefit

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Speaker 19: the economy because it will reduce the number of sick

1942
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Speaker 19: days caused by obesity. Now two questions here that the

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Speaker 19: first is how much is this tie up costing. We're

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Speaker 19: not being told that, only that it came off the

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Speaker 19: back of this investment on Monday. But secondly, there are

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Speaker 19: no figures to suggest that this will get people back

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Speaker 19: to work. Just as incidentally, there are no figures when

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Speaker 19: the government announced it was going to try and massively

1949
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Speaker 19: reduce the waiting lists on the National Health Service.

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Speaker 1: That that would increase work output.

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Speaker 19: Either the government is saying yes, that's going to massively

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Speaker 19: help and make us more productive as a society. I

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Speaker 19: strongly have this suspicion they're actually the percentage of people

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Speaker 19: who will go back to work after this fat jab

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Speaker 19: as it's called, and the number of people who will

1956
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Speaker 19: go back to work once they've had their operation on

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Speaker 19: a waiting list is much smaller than the government is predicting.

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Speaker 3: Might well be the case, just one of those things

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Speaker 3: that sounds nice to the base, doesn't it.

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Speaker 12: Now?

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Speaker 3: What about the smartphones? Do you reckon you guys will

1962
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Speaker 3: actually get there and bear them from schools?

1963
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Speaker 19: Yes, they are banned in a lot of schools already

1964
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Speaker 19: after guidance from the government, but now particular MP is

1965
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Speaker 19: really spearheading a campaign to make it law. Now it

1966
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Speaker 19: would only be in England because schools in Scotland, Wales

1967
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Speaker 19: and Northern Ireland have their own legislation and owned governance

1968
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Speaker 19: by the local government there. But they really want to

1969
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Speaker 19: make this law and MPs could really debate these new

1970
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Speaker 19: proposals early in the new year. And these sort of

1971
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 19: private members bills where an individual MP puts something forward,

1972
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Speaker 19: do rarely make it into law without government backing. But

1973
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Speaker 19: it looks like the government is potentially going to give

1974
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Speaker 19: it back into this because where this schools have taken

1975
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Speaker 19: the phones off pupils at the start of the day

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Speaker 19: and given them back to them at the end of

1977
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Speaker 19: the day. They are saying they are noticing a massively

1978
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Speaker 19: increased attention span for those children. Originally many very reluctant,

1979
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Speaker 19: but it's looking like a pretty good job. So they

1980
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Speaker 19: want a mobile free zone at school's age. Online companies

1981
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Speaker 19: can receive data consent from children without permission should be

1982
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Speaker 19: raised and another of a number of other measures to

1983
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Speaker 19: strengthen the legislation and enforcement codes for those who have

1984
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Speaker 19: those apps and services.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope you guys do it, because it is

1986
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Speaker 3: one of the best things you could possibly do for children. Now,

1987
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 3: what's going on here with the bottles of wine?

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Speaker 19: Yes, story out that somebody and when you consider it,

1989
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Speaker 19: it's so simple. Somebody has been buying very cheap bottles

1990
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Speaker 19: of wine and has printed off labels that come from

1991
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Speaker 19: very expensive wines and slap them on the cheap bottles

1992
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Speaker 19: of wine.

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Speaker 3: See how easy it is.

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Speaker 19: And a gang of six people, including a Russian national

1995
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Speaker 19: believed to be the suspected ringleader, have been arrested across

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Speaker 19: three cities in France and Italy. Now, some of the

1997
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 19: single bottles of wine were sold off as quality bottles

1998
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Speaker 19: worth up to twenty eight thousand. New Zealand dollars, so

1999
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Speaker 19: we're talking some serious, serious money being made. It was

2000
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Speaker 19: said that they'd earned at least four million New Zealand

2001
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Speaker 19: dollars from the fraud, and a forty year old Russian

2002
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Speaker 19: national they're saying is the suspected ringleader. They say they're

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Speaker 19: going to charge them that a large amount of bottles

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Speaker 19: had gone through this particular route. And of course often

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01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 19: people buy a very expensive bottle and then don't open

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01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 19: it for a number of years, by which time very

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01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 19: difficult to prove where you got it from.

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Speaker 3: He don't give anyone any ideas. Gavin, thank you so much, mate,

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Speaker 3: look after yourself. Talk to you in a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: That's Gavin Gray are UK correspondent nine away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

2012
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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME news Talksphither.

2014
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Speaker 3: Read the English speaking I've had this issue myself. I

2015
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 3: was spoken to an English by the nurses and they

2016
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 3: then spoke to each other in another language straight after

2017
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Speaker 3: in front of me, and I didn't know if they

2018
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 3: were discussing my treatment or something else, so I asked

2019
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 3: if they were discussing my treatment and I couldn't check

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Speaker 3: they had it correct. Well, you asked them, what's the problem.

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01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 3: What did they tell you? I must have said, yeah, nah, yeah,

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01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 3: well nah answer to the question. Look, I think this

2023
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 3: is just one of these things. I really struggle, I

2024
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 3: really struggle to understand the kind of weirdness about this,

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01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 3: just simply because I have lived in places where actually

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Speaker 3: people speak lots of languages in front of me, and

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Speaker 3: I have no bloody idea and it's absolutely fine. Well,

2028
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 3: listen on another subject altogether. Do you remember Jennifer Gray

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01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 3: from Dirty Dancing as in baby, as in like nobody

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01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 3: puts baby in the corner, Jennifer Gray. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you know this, but I mean you might obviously

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01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 3: would know that Jennifer Gray ain't been nowhere since then, right.

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Speaker 3: She's kind of done a few odd bits and bobs,

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01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 3: but really has like she was supposed to be massive

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Speaker 3: after Dirty Dancing, and she just never went anywhere. And

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Speaker 3: the reason she never went anywhere was because she had

2037
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 3: a funny nose and her mum told her to go

2038
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 3: and get nose job, and she got the nose job.

2039
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 3: But then what happened because this was quite big. But

2040
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 3: then what happened, obviously was that it was her thing,

2041
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 3: it was her defining feature, and so all of a

2042
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 3: sudden she just looked like every other person and it

2043
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Speaker 3: completely ruined her career. Jennifer Gray, I'm happy to tell you,

2044
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Speaker 3: is back. She has got a role in a movie

2045
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Speaker 3: called A Real Plane, A Real Pain. Sorry. It's a

2046
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 3: movie by Jesse Eisenberg, and he and Karen Colkin are

2047
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 3: cousins and they go on a part of a Holocaust

2048
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 3: tour group, and she plays Marcia, who's part of the

2049
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 3: tour group. She's just a player, but this is basically

2050
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 3: what the movie sounds like.

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Speaker 18: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.

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Speaker 3: Boner is not available.

2053
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Hey, Benji, I just got to the airport. I really

2054
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: hope you left the red end.

2055
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 3: God you made it.

2056
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 10: So it's up because I got some good chant from

2057
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 10: whom land. Sweet.

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01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 3: You're not like taking weed into Poland, are you, Benji?

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Speaker 10: They don't give a shit about that stuff.

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Speaker 8: M do give a shit.

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01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 23: Oh yeah.

2062
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Speaker 3: Now. The movie has been met with critical acclaim apparently

2063
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 3: it's outstanding, and she has been met with critical a

2064
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 3: play a claim apparently she's outstanding, and apparently she's so

2065
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 3: outstanding that she's been considered a distinct possibility for a

2066
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Speaker 3: Best Supporting Actress nomination. So the moral of the story

2067
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Speaker 3: is twofold. Number one, if your mom says get a

2068
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 3: nose job, don't listen to her. Don't listen to your

2069
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 3: mum's criticism, especially if you're a lady. Don't listen when

2070
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 3: she says, oh, you funny little but don't listen. Don't

2071
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 3: listen to any of that stuff. It's what makes you.

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01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 3: You don't get the nose job. But also number two,

2073
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 3: if you're good at your job, you will make a comeback.

2074
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 3: So good for Jennifer Gray. Nobody puts baby in the corner. Ants.

2075
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Speaker 27: We're going to go with the Blue extended theme song

2076
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 27: to play us out tonight because we have big Bluey

2077
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Speaker 27: News to announce the hugely successful stage show Bluey's Big.

2078
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Speaker 27: You know what Blue is, right, everybody, Blue the really

2079
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 27: famous TV show that all your parent friends, all your

2080
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 27: kids are raving about. But Blue, it's a play. It's

2081
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 27: a stage show. Blue and his family, her family and

2082
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 27: friends will be really oh my gosh, you obviously have

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01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 27: no child.

2084
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 3: I don't Bluey at the Puppets and Blue is going

2085
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 3: to be there, and Bingo is going to be there,

2086
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 3: and Mum's going to be there, and Dad's going to

2087
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 3: be there, and they're going to tour the country from

2088
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 3: April and they're going to be all over Duned and

2089
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 3: Christi's Wellington, Hamilton and Auckland And tickets go on sale

2090
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 3: in one week's time. ANTS at Livenation, dot co, dot

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01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 3: and zed and I will be getting tickets.

2092
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 27: ANTS very good, good save here the thank you stating

2093
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 27: saving me for myself this nce listen.

2094
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 3: You know you've got a bust.

2095
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 27: I have heard that it is very well written.

2096
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 3: You've got a bit of spare time, right because you

2097
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 3: don't have children? Well ok you yes, I do you

2098
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 3: need to watch this? This is such a good show,

2099
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 3: very good all right, as unrealistic because no two parents

2100
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 3: are that normal and well adjusted at all times. But

2101
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 3: it is such a hurt. So thank you answer for

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01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 3: reminding us to get our blue Ee tickets. Don't ever

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01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 3: do children stuff again? ANTS got found out. Yeah, I

2104
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 3: was gonna say speak time anyway. Enjoy the music. Kids

2105
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 3: are going to go nuts now wanting to watch a

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Speaker 3: day See you tomorrow. And news stig zitb.

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