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Speaker 3: Hello there you to good afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: on News Talks EDB. For Saturday, May ten, Happy birthday

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Speaker 3: to Olympic gold medal winning Kiwi year Questry in blythe State.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Dennis burg Camp, Happy birthday Chris Cougar line.

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Speaker 3: Question why can't Grace Wiki play for the Silver Ferns. Look,

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Speaker 3: we all know what the rules say, but everybody wants

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Speaker 3: her to fans, her teammates, her coach, even the CEO.

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Speaker 3: Everybody that is, it seems apart from the Board of

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Speaker 3: Netball New Zealand who set and enforced the rules around

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Speaker 3: eligibility and therefore if they want to can be flexible

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Speaker 3: around them, what chance they'll make an exception for one

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Speaker 3: of our most important players. Chair of NEPLE New Zealand's board,

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Speaker 3: Matt Winnaday is a standing by the chat with US

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Speaker 3: former silver fer and our network commentator Ardan Wilson later

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Speaker 3: this hour as well. Your views, though, are encouraged on this. Surely,

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Speaker 3: to goodness common sense should prevail here other matters around

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Speaker 3: today whatefit of rugby. Actually, Black Ferns their first test

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Speaker 3: of a massive year this afternoon as they target the

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Speaker 3: World Cup later in twenty twenty five. They play Australia

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Speaker 3: Massive game of rugby in christ Church tonight meantime Crusaders

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Speaker 3: that for you as well with Tony Johnson and take

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Speaker 3: your predictions. The Blues are back into the top six

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Speaker 3: for the meantime after their win in Suva last night

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Speaker 3: over the Fijian Drewer thirty four to five That officially

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Speaker 3: It also sets up a fairly tasty game between Mona

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Speaker 3: British and Irish Lions squad to tour Australia in July

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Speaker 3: and August has been named. Going to break that down

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Speaker 3: for you with James Burridge from the BBC are the matters.

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Speaker 3: Auckland FC CEO Nick Becker's on the show news yesterday

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Speaker 3: that Mount Smart Go Media Stadium will add extra seats

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Speaker 3: for their A League Football semifinal a fortnite tonight and

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Speaker 3: if the Grand Final is held in Auckland. Of Auckland

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Speaker 3: FC make the Grand Final over King's Birthday weekend, it

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Speaker 3: a win is keeping their team at their home venue.

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Speaker 3: Ossie correspondent Adam Peacock in his regular slot as well

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Speaker 3: Live Sport while we're on the air today. The NBA

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Speaker 3: Semifinals continue. In the East. Game three in the best

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Speaker 3: of seven series between the PACs and the Cavaliers is

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Speaker 3: three between the Nuggets and OKC in Denver underway at

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Speaker 3: all a whole host of round one matches as well

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every fails weekend

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Speaker 3: So uncertainty continues over the prospect of our top netball

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Speaker 4: I think Grace Wicking, how did she keep that alive?

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Speaker 3: So, as I'm sure you'll know, Grace Wiki made the

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Speaker 3: so much for taking the time for a chat to

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Speaker 5: Thanks Jason. Look, the question of eligibility and the state

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Speaker 5: I haven't got a time train for you right now,

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Speaker 5: We are continuing to have it. And really, if you

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Speaker 5: a bunch of stakeholder stakeholder interests here. This is not

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Speaker 5: we've got a very strong we've got a visible competition

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Speaker 6: We've also of course.

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Speaker 5: Got players who are looking to get experiences, broaden your experiences,

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Speaker 5: purpose and balancing all of the stakeholder interests and that's

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Speaker 3: So how does a strong A and Z Premiership or

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Speaker 5: Well, they said, this is about this is about the

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Speaker 5: so that that's what we're thinking about at the moment

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Speaker 5: is what what what's the what's the right setting for

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Speaker 5: that policy that can that can address you know, those

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Speaker 5: different stakeholder interests that that I mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, everyone understands there's a wider issue here absolutely

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Speaker 3: all want Grace to play for New Zealand, So why

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Speaker 5: So this is this is not a this is not

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Speaker 5: But the conversation we're having the board at the moment,

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Speaker 5: obviously everybody's very interested about how that applies to one

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Speaker 5: It's obviously the topic of the day. And and as

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Speaker 5: I say, we'll continue to work through that and and

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Speaker 3: Again, though, Matt, how would Netball's other stakeholders suffer from

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Speaker 7: The way it the.

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Speaker 5: Way it impacts is if we if we if we

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Speaker 5: visibility of that for our for our young players, has

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Speaker 5: broader system. So that's the that's that's why I sort

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Speaker 5: of ran through that list of the potential stakeholder interests

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Speaker 3: Grace has been on record as saying that she's going overseas,

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Speaker 5: Oh, look, we we we don't disagree that Grace's looks

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Speaker 5: we understand that that provides you know, a different a

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Speaker 3: I guess, and I'm sorry if I'm missing something here, Matt,

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Speaker 5: Well, as say Jason, which were thinking about this, this

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Speaker 5: not responding to individual individual player question. Is obviously that

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Speaker 3: You're broadcaster for test matches as Sky Sport, would they

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Speaker 5: Well, look, we all want we all want a great

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Speaker 5: the policy that exists that exists. Now that's not something

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Speaker 3: Can I just get clarity on something. There's been talk

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Speaker 3: a player you know, plays one hundred tests for new Zealand,

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Speaker 3: these eligibility rules no longer apply to them. Is that

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Speaker 3: a black and white rule or not?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's right. I'm not sure that you how

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Speaker 5: that narrative has become the received one, but that's correct.

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Speaker 5: There's not a that the hundred tests is not a

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Speaker 5: is not and is not the black and white rule

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Speaker 5: the players. I think what's happened is that the players

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Speaker 5: Look, I don't have a specific timetime for you, Jason.

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Speaker 3: there are not multiple overseas markets clamoring for our best netballers. Japan, France,

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Speaker 3: But Australia already have a very strong domestic netball competition

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Speaker 3: as I say, what is the downside? Twelve twenty four oh,

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Speaker 3: I will get to all the texts, So the best

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Speaker 3: Hello die Hi Jason.

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Speaker 8: I've been triggered to ring you because I have never

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Speaker 8: I really find a farstical grace doesn't need to be

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Speaker 8: I think the rule needs to be changed because if

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Speaker 8: So I think it's a crazy, crazy rule. And talking

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Speaker 8: will that woman power net wall in this country die

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Speaker 3: In the space of thirty seconds, you have completely nailed

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Speaker 3: What do we absolutely fans want here?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we want to watch a strong team. We don't

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Speaker 8: I absolutely think that, you know, the whole, the whole

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Speaker 3: Die you. I'm so pleased you've called because you have,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for calling and putting across a

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Speaker 10: Lovely nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jen, It's nice to talk to you too. Please

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Speaker 3: So right, isn't she absolutely bang on the money? What

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Speaker 3: If we hypothesize here and Grace wiki is allowed to

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Speaker 3: That's her right as an elite athlete. But the reason

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Speaker 1: The tough Questions off the Turf Weekends for It with

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Speaker 3: On twelve thirty Vickey on Text Jason, no logic here.

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Speaker 3: Essentially Nipple have got their noses that I've joined and

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Vicky very well said, let's get back to

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Speaker 12: Ah Hi, Yeah, So I wanted to talk about Nipball

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Speaker 12: And your product gets better when your players get better.

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Speaker 3: Bang on, Kelly again, bang on, great common sense, and

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Speaker 3: It's just the regeneration of elite sport.

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Speaker 12: How can it harm our games? How can it harm

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Speaker 3: These are very good questions, Kelly, very good questions. Thank

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Boddy. Very interesting topic, mate, A couple of

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Speaker 3: Mark, it's a great question. And Matt Winner raised the

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Speaker 13: Okay, Now I'm thinking now, should this rule because they

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Speaker 13: instead of being allocated dedicated to Each country has.

434
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Speaker 6: Her own rules.

435
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Speaker 13: Should it not be universal and every country plays for

436
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Speaker 13: the same rules.

437
00:23:53,107 --> 00:23:55,067
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you think so, but that doesn't apply

438
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Speaker 3: in rugby, Mark, you know different countries have different rules.

439
00:23:58,947 --> 00:24:01,387
Speaker 3: South Africa, as we know, don't have the same rules

440
00:24:01,427 --> 00:24:03,947
Speaker 3: as New Zealand when it comes to eligibility for the

441
00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:06,667
Speaker 3: spring Box compared to the All Blacks. Yes, it would

442
00:24:06,667 --> 00:24:08,507
Speaker 3: be nice to think that there was a universal rule.

443
00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:14,227
Speaker 3: I don't mind actually national bodies cutting their own cloth

444
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Speaker 3: to suit. I just hope that Netble New Zealand get

445
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Speaker 3: on with cutting their cloth, and.

446
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Speaker 13: So do I and I think so it was just

447
00:24:22,067 --> 00:24:26,107
Speaker 13: about everybody in New Zealand, it'd be just crazy if

448
00:24:26,107 --> 00:24:28,707
Speaker 13: they said no, you can't play you know, you know,

449
00:24:29,027 --> 00:24:31,867
Speaker 13: change could be she might try and get a legend

450
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Speaker 13: for another country after that.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I don't think she'll do that. Mark that's

452
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Speaker 3: been mentioned on text a couple of times. Could Grace

453
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Speaker 3: you know, could she feasibly play for another country, Australia

454
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Speaker 3: would be the only one. Look, I don't think Grace

455
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Speaker 3: Wick is going to turn down what would be three

456
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Speaker 3: years of not playing for anybody to play, you know,

457
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Speaker 3: for Australia. Look, she has said so many times how

458
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Speaker 3: dedicated she is to playing in the black dress. She

459
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Speaker 3: loves playing for the Silver Ferns. She has gone to

460
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Speaker 3: Australia to improve herself as a netballer. As I say, yes,

461
00:25:03,547 --> 00:25:05,987
Speaker 3: money's in the equation and we can't ignore that. We

462
00:25:06,027 --> 00:25:09,107
Speaker 3: don't know the numbers, but I would imagine she's getting

463
00:25:09,147 --> 00:25:12,187
Speaker 3: paid well to play over in Australia, and so she should.

464
00:25:12,547 --> 00:25:15,347
Speaker 3: She is one of the top two or three shooters

465
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Speaker 3: in the world. Neiple New Zealand not selecting Grace says

466
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Speaker 3: this text is like New Zealand Football not selecting Chris

467
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Speaker 3: Wood because he's playing overseas. It's a good analogy. New

468
00:25:27,507 --> 00:25:29,507
Speaker 3: Zealand Football clearly don't have the rule, do they. You

469
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Speaker 3: don't have to be playing domestically to play for the

470
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Speaker 3: r Watts. I mean that would severely dilute our team.

471
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Speaker 9: Michael Hullo, Yeah, a good afternoon. I don't want to

472
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Speaker 9: throw a spanner in the works. But Grace would have

473
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Speaker 9: known the rules in existence before she went to us,

474
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Speaker 9: wouldn't she.

475
00:25:46,107 --> 00:25:48,147
Speaker 3: Yes, she would have, Michael, And look, just you can

476
00:25:48,187 --> 00:25:50,947
Speaker 3: throw spanners in the works. That's what this is about. Discussion.

477
00:25:51,147 --> 00:25:53,947
Speaker 3: So yes, no, no, Michael, absolutely. You know when she

478
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Speaker 3: made the call. I remember interviewing her when she made

479
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Speaker 3: the call, and she said, yes, I realized this will

480
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Speaker 3: affect my eligibility, and I remember her saying something along

481
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Speaker 3: the lines of but I hope that I can change

482
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Speaker 3: their mind or something like that.

483
00:26:06,027 --> 00:26:08,627
Speaker 9: Well, well, that's great for her to say that. But

484
00:26:08,707 --> 00:26:13,707
Speaker 9: she's improving not just her play, but she's improving her

485
00:26:13,747 --> 00:26:17,027
Speaker 9: bank balance, just like our cricketers. We are suffering in

486
00:26:17,107 --> 00:26:21,347
Speaker 9: cricket because of all the you know, the leagues that

487
00:26:21,387 --> 00:26:24,547
Speaker 9: are all around, and all our best players are playing

488
00:26:24,547 --> 00:26:27,587
Speaker 9: in those, and our teams, our national team is suffering.

489
00:26:28,827 --> 00:26:32,267
Speaker 9: They're going for the money. Nobody blames them. Grace has

490
00:26:32,307 --> 00:26:36,547
Speaker 9: gone for the money and to improve herself, and I

491
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Speaker 9: just say, well, she knew that. It's a choice. And

492
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Speaker 9: if you say she desperately wants to play away the

493
00:26:44,387 --> 00:26:47,827
Speaker 9: black dress, well I totally agree and I would love

494
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Speaker 9: her to play in the black dress. But in this

495
00:26:51,627 --> 00:26:55,307
Speaker 9: professional world, you make it. Our rugby players know if

496
00:26:55,347 --> 00:26:58,707
Speaker 9: they go overseas, unless they've got a thing that brings them,

497
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Speaker 9: a contract that brings them back, then I've got to

498
00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:04,347
Speaker 9: represent the all blacks. And to me, it's a very

499
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Speaker 9: We can't just take one personality. She may be the

500
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Speaker 9: best in the world, but we break that rule. We

501
00:27:12,067 --> 00:27:17,027
Speaker 9: should be improving with our coaching and our general interstate

502
00:27:17,747 --> 00:27:21,707
Speaker 9: interprovincial play, improving our players. I mean, at one time,

503
00:27:21,747 --> 00:27:24,587
Speaker 9: who was that center from netball and there was another

504
00:27:24,627 --> 00:27:27,547
Speaker 9: girl she played, She was our captain back first she

505
00:27:27,627 --> 00:27:31,787
Speaker 9: went to Aussie I've forgotten her name, but she was

506
00:27:31,827 --> 00:27:35,107
Speaker 9: a brilliant player and the Australians wanted her with all

507
00:27:35,187 --> 00:27:38,747
Speaker 9: their brilliance. They wanted her and obviously she got paid.

508
00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:43,147
Speaker 9: So I'm just saying I would love to have Grayson here,

509
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Speaker 9: but she chose. It's her own decision, and I'm afraid

510
00:27:48,387 --> 00:27:51,547
Speaker 9: we've got to. We can't make rules for one person, however,

511
00:27:52,147 --> 00:27:55,707
Speaker 9: however good he or she is. That's my little spiel.

512
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Michael, there's no need for you to apologize.

513
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Speaker 3: Thank you for presenting the counterpoints I think apply. You're

514
00:28:03,067 --> 00:28:08,107
Speaker 3: thinking of as Laura Langman, I think, yeah, yeah, and yeah,

515
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Speaker 3: I'll see another one. I think. And there are only

516
00:28:10,347 --> 00:28:12,387
Speaker 3: very few Michael, thanks for your call. I appreciate it.

517
00:28:12,387 --> 00:28:14,747
Speaker 3: There are only very few who would be on the radar,

518
00:28:14,787 --> 00:28:16,507
Speaker 3: and I guess that's the thing if we if we

519
00:28:16,707 --> 00:28:21,227
Speaker 3: use a rugby analogy, there are dozens, if not hundreds

520
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Speaker 3: of rugby players that overseas clubs would be keen on.

521
00:28:25,267 --> 00:28:27,547
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that exists a netbule, Michael, thank

522
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Speaker 3: you for making the counterpoint.

523
00:28:30,067 --> 00:28:37,747
Speaker 2: Rachel, Hello, Hi, I actually decided to call after I

524
00:28:37,787 --> 00:28:39,027
Speaker 2: heard that lady.

525
00:28:39,147 --> 00:28:43,707
Speaker 4: I think three callers prior to this who was talking

526
00:28:43,747 --> 00:28:46,947
Speaker 4: about the fans and you know all of that. And

527
00:28:47,587 --> 00:28:50,947
Speaker 4: I just think that's a really good point because you know,

528
00:28:51,067 --> 00:28:54,507
Speaker 4: with netball, and in terms of a number of things

529
00:28:54,947 --> 00:28:59,347
Speaker 4: Netball New Zealand has done, including changing the league so

530
00:28:59,387 --> 00:29:03,147
Speaker 4: that we don't have Australian teams anymore. It's all stuff

531
00:29:03,267 --> 00:29:06,187
Speaker 4: that the fans have not been happy about, you know.

532
00:29:06,547 --> 00:29:09,787
Speaker 4: And if you look at and the gentleman who just

533
00:29:09,787 --> 00:29:13,587
Speaker 4: got off the phone mentioned Laura Langman. I mean that's

534
00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:15,987
Speaker 4: a really good example. If you look at what happened

535
00:29:15,987 --> 00:29:19,667
Speaker 4: when Laura Langman came back from Australia and played for

536
00:29:19,707 --> 00:29:22,947
Speaker 4: the first she was dynamite. I mean, she was already amazing,

537
00:29:23,627 --> 00:29:26,587
Speaker 4: but her game was just nixt level, you know. And

538
00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:31,267
Speaker 4: you look at what's happened with Jamaica, with all those

539
00:29:31,307 --> 00:29:35,667
Speaker 4: players who come to Australia and New Zealand and play

540
00:29:35,787 --> 00:29:38,387
Speaker 4: in our comps and go back and play, you know,

541
00:29:38,427 --> 00:29:43,347
Speaker 4: for Jamaica and all these other countries, the game has moved,

542
00:29:43,427 --> 00:29:45,987
Speaker 4: you know, the game has become so much better, Teams

543
00:29:46,027 --> 00:29:49,827
Speaker 4: have become so much better, and that's because these players

544
00:29:49,907 --> 00:29:52,987
Speaker 4: are going away, you know, getting the skills from other

545
00:29:53,027 --> 00:29:55,787
Speaker 4: countries and then being allowed to play in their countries.

546
00:29:56,467 --> 00:30:00,587
Speaker 4: And so good on Grace for doing this, because it's

547
00:30:00,947 --> 00:30:05,067
Speaker 4: raised a really critical issue which I wish, you know,

548
00:30:05,267 --> 00:30:10,027
Speaker 4: Ned Bolle, New Zealand would not be so I guess

549
00:30:10,747 --> 00:30:12,667
Speaker 4: I don't know. It just sounds like there's a few

550
00:30:12,747 --> 00:30:17,387
Speaker 4: egos and like you said earlier, they've done something and

551
00:30:17,427 --> 00:30:19,707
Speaker 4: now they just don't want to back down. But you

552
00:30:19,747 --> 00:30:21,147
Speaker 4: know what's going to suffer.

553
00:30:21,107 --> 00:30:21,547
Speaker 8: Is the game.

554
00:30:22,067 --> 00:30:26,907
Speaker 4: And Norline Taru is an amazing coach. It's just that

555
00:30:26,987 --> 00:30:29,187
Speaker 4: we're not getting good comp.

556
00:30:29,907 --> 00:30:31,867
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it, Rachel. I mean as soon as

557
00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:34,147
Speaker 3: we split, we split what was the a m Z

558
00:30:34,387 --> 00:30:38,827
Speaker 3: Championship and stopped getting those competitive matches against the Australian sides,

559
00:30:39,187 --> 00:30:42,627
Speaker 3: I think everybody would accept that that the overall standard

560
00:30:42,667 --> 00:30:45,187
Speaker 3: came down. I don't think there's anybody who would would

561
00:30:45,187 --> 00:30:47,587
Speaker 3: suggest who would suggest that the stand. While the standard

562
00:30:47,627 --> 00:30:50,187
Speaker 3: in the a Z Premiership is good and I'm very

563
00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:53,227
Speaker 3: much looking forward to the new season getting underway, I

564
00:30:53,267 --> 00:30:55,307
Speaker 3: don't think you could make you could mount an argument

565
00:30:55,347 --> 00:30:58,387
Speaker 3: that the standard is better than it was when the

566
00:30:58,387 --> 00:31:03,347
Speaker 3: Australian teams were in the comp yep agree.

567
00:31:03,627 --> 00:31:05,827
Speaker 4: I mean we're not bad, but you know what, if

568
00:31:05,867 --> 00:31:11,187
Speaker 4: you see the way that we've been doing recently against

569
00:31:11,547 --> 00:31:17,187
Speaker 4: other countries, that's just evident our standard. You know it's there,

570
00:31:17,307 --> 00:31:21,227
Speaker 4: but it's not up there. And how can we possibly

571
00:31:21,267 --> 00:31:27,547
Speaker 4: be so precious Netball New Zealand when you can actually

572
00:31:27,547 --> 00:31:32,907
Speaker 4: be better if you stop being so riches and you know,

573
00:31:33,027 --> 00:31:37,627
Speaker 4: like yeah, and like I think another caller said, it's

574
00:31:37,667 --> 00:31:39,827
Speaker 4: the rules that have to change, and I think that's

575
00:31:39,867 --> 00:31:43,947
Speaker 4: absolutely right. There's no reason to make any exceptions. It's

576
00:31:43,987 --> 00:31:47,507
Speaker 4: just the rules have to be up with the times

577
00:31:47,587 --> 00:31:50,987
Speaker 4: and it needs to change. Like things move life, you know,

578
00:31:51,147 --> 00:31:51,947
Speaker 4: things evolved.

579
00:31:51,947 --> 00:31:52,867
Speaker 14: It's like rugby.

580
00:31:53,027 --> 00:31:55,707
Speaker 4: You know, it's an interesting time for rugby as well,

581
00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:58,467
Speaker 4: and that's one of the things that keep coming up.

582
00:31:58,507 --> 00:32:00,827
Speaker 4: And who knows, we may have some changes there too,

583
00:32:00,947 --> 00:32:04,747
Speaker 4: but what happens in life. Things evolve and you change

584
00:32:04,787 --> 00:32:05,427
Speaker 4: with the times.

585
00:32:06,387 --> 00:32:06,787
Speaker 14: That's all.

586
00:32:07,387 --> 00:32:10,667
Speaker 3: No that, Rachel, thank you, chief. We've had some common

587
00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:12,627
Speaker 3: sense on the show today, and I must say most

588
00:32:12,627 --> 00:32:14,627
Speaker 3: of it from our female callers. There have been good

589
00:32:14,667 --> 00:32:16,387
Speaker 3: points made by the male callers as well. I could

590
00:32:16,387 --> 00:32:18,547
Speaker 3: be wrong, but it seems to me there's been some

591
00:32:19,227 --> 00:32:22,187
Speaker 3: wonderful common sense on the show this afternoon. Thank you.

592
00:32:22,267 --> 00:32:23,427
Speaker 3: Rachel Ellison.

593
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Speaker 15: Hello, I might change that now. I just want to

594
00:32:26,427 --> 00:32:28,427
Speaker 15: say I hope that I hope that Grace does come

595
00:32:28,467 --> 00:32:30,907
Speaker 15: back eventually. But you can't rely too much on one

596
00:32:30,947 --> 00:32:33,067
Speaker 15: player because Grace has had a couple of injuries in

597
00:32:33,107 --> 00:32:35,747
Speaker 15: the past, and then it gives the opportunity for somebody

598
00:32:35,747 --> 00:32:38,907
Speaker 15: else to step up and maybe fill in that gap there,

599
00:32:38,947 --> 00:32:42,267
Speaker 15: you know, when she is injured, and so perhaps he

600
00:32:42,307 --> 00:32:44,667
Speaker 15: does come back, but it's not the end of the world.

601
00:32:44,707 --> 00:32:46,547
Speaker 15: I don't think. I think there are other players that

602
00:32:46,627 --> 00:32:49,707
Speaker 15: possibly could sit in there, you know, not have good

603
00:32:49,707 --> 00:32:51,787
Speaker 15: have heard that, but maybe they will be in the future.

604
00:32:51,827 --> 00:32:53,667
Speaker 15: You don't quite know. And I just want to quickly

605
00:32:53,707 --> 00:32:57,507
Speaker 15: say that Hayden Wild good luck with all his recovery

606
00:32:57,827 --> 00:33:00,787
Speaker 15: and damn that jolly old rubbish truck. That's all I'll say.

607
00:33:01,467 --> 00:33:01,867
Speaker 2: Anyway.

608
00:33:01,907 --> 00:33:03,267
Speaker 15: I hope he recovers well.

609
00:33:03,307 --> 00:33:06,787
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Alison. I hope so too. Yeah.

610
00:33:06,827 --> 00:33:10,027
Speaker 3: I saw him post on Instagram overnight. He's obviously got

611
00:33:10,027 --> 00:33:12,867
Speaker 3: a long recovery ahead from that collision with the rubbishtruck

612
00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:15,267
Speaker 3: that Elison just pointed out there. Thank you for your call, Allison.

613
00:33:16,027 --> 00:33:17,827
Speaker 3: A couple of things. Rachel said. We're interesting. What this

614
00:33:17,947 --> 00:33:20,867
Speaker 3: has done is it has made Netble New Zealand and

615
00:33:20,947 --> 00:33:24,187
Speaker 3: the board examine their rules. This is a test case

616
00:33:24,267 --> 00:33:28,507
Speaker 3: for them, so they've been compelled by this to test

617
00:33:28,547 --> 00:33:32,027
Speaker 3: the rules. And I think Grace has done it. You know,

618
00:33:32,107 --> 00:33:34,627
Speaker 3: this year, I think is a convenient time too. There's

619
00:33:34,707 --> 00:33:38,547
Speaker 3: no World Championship or World Cup, there's no Commonwealth Games.

620
00:33:39,227 --> 00:33:42,187
Speaker 3: If they come back to her and say we're sticking

621
00:33:42,227 --> 00:33:46,387
Speaker 3: with the rules as they are, then I could almost

622
00:33:46,427 --> 00:33:49,627
Speaker 3: guarantee that she'll play in New Zealand next year because

623
00:33:49,627 --> 00:33:52,267
Speaker 3: there's the Calm Games to look forward to in the

624
00:33:52,307 --> 00:33:55,307
Speaker 3: middle of next year. I think that would be a

625
00:33:55,347 --> 00:33:59,427
Speaker 3: great shame. I mean, I think I've made my point clear.

626
00:34:00,387 --> 00:34:04,787
Speaker 3: There are counterpoints to it, but I cannot see a

627
00:34:04,907 --> 00:34:11,547
Speaker 3: big enough downside to bringing her back to play for

628
00:34:11,587 --> 00:34:16,347
Speaker 3: New Zealand. Let's get a let's get another viewpoint. Shortly,

629
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Speaker 3: Ardan Wilson knows all about playing for the Silver Ferns.

630
00:34:19,427 --> 00:34:21,787
Speaker 3: She did at seventy nine times she captained the team.

631
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Speaker 3: She's on the show right after this.

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635
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Speaker 3: NB thirtain Away from one Talking Grace Wiki is the eligibility.

636
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in one of our absolute netball greats. World Champion,

637
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Speaker 3: Commonwealth Games, gold Medalist, Member of the New Zealand Order

638
00:34:42,227 --> 00:34:45,187
Speaker 3: of Merit for services to netball seventy nine cap, former

639
00:34:45,187 --> 00:34:47,587
Speaker 3: Silver Fern And New Zealand captain and since her retirement,

640
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Speaker 3: hugely respected Skysport netball commentator and analyst and part of

641
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642
00:34:57,747 --> 00:35:00,027
Speaker 3: Of course, Adean, thanks for joining us. Let's start with

643
00:35:00,067 --> 00:35:04,107
Speaker 3: your personal view. Should Netball New Zealand allow Grace Wiki

644
00:35:04,187 --> 00:35:06,347
Speaker 3: to play for the Silver Ferns this year? In your view,

645
00:35:07,627 --> 00:35:08,387
Speaker 3: I would love.

646
00:35:08,227 --> 00:35:09,947
Speaker 16: To see her play for the saw Ferns.

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Speaker 14: I think when you look at Grace, she's there once

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Speaker 14: in a generation player. There's no doubt the saw Ferns

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Speaker 14: can win without her, but if she's on court, they've

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Speaker 14: got a much better chance of winning. She's an Iron

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Speaker 14: Van Dyke of my era. She is someone special. But

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Speaker 14: I do think you have to be careful that you

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Speaker 14: don't change rules for just one player. And that's why

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Speaker 14: you're going to look at that wider eligibility chat and

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Speaker 14: I think that's WHATCK New Zealand is starting to do.

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Speaker 14: They just need to do it quickly because we need

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Speaker 14: some decisions made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I think time is a little bit

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Speaker 3: of the essence here. The fear, as we all know,

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Speaker 3: is that if they say yes to Grace that they

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Speaker 3: fear it'll cause a huge exodus of players overseas. Do

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Speaker 3: you think that's a valid concern.

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Speaker 16: I think it's a valid concern.

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Speaker 14: But I think there's a couple of ways, and you

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Speaker 14: need to look wider than just the here and now.

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Speaker 14: I think, look, if you are looking at what the

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Speaker 14: criteria are now and they're worried about setting a president again,

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Speaker 14: she is a once in a generation player. I think

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Speaker 14: she's setting a pretty high precedent if you're looking at

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Speaker 14: the criteria for exceptional.

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Speaker 16: Talent and the like.

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Speaker 14: So I think they shouldn't be worried about that president.

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Speaker 14: But why not look wider? Why not look wider that

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Speaker 14: contractual model? Look what other sports are doing. Cricket for example.

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Speaker 14: You know you may choose at the start of the

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Speaker 14: season not to go on to a sui third retainer

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Speaker 14: and get paid across a whole year. Do you change

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Speaker 14: the models? You could be like cricket and only come

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Speaker 14: back and be on a casual contract on match fees

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Speaker 14: for two months of the year. Then you're having these

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Speaker 14: conversations right at the start. People are making informed decisions

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Speaker 14: about what competitions they may like to play in, but

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Speaker 14: knowing the consequences of making those decisions. So first and foremost,

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Speaker 14: change that contracting model. Have the conversation, look what other

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Speaker 14: sports are doing and what we can learn from them.

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Speaker 3: I know you've heard a chair of the board matt

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Speaker 3: On earlier this hour. Do you have confidence that they'll

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Speaker 3: make a decision quickly on this? I hope so.

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Speaker 14: But again, they're obviously having a lot of conversations about

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Speaker 14: a lot at the moment, Network New Zealand, what next

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Speaker 14: year're going to look at? And again, if you look

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Speaker 14: at the wider context, this is an amazing opportunity.

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Speaker 8: In some ways, you turn, you know, a.

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Speaker 14: Moment that's you know, pretty tough on Net New Zealand

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Speaker 14: into something wider. Change the timing of the competition. Have

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Speaker 14: the competition so you can play in New Zealand and

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Speaker 14: you can play in sun Court. Line up these competitions

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Speaker 14: so then this eligibility issue is not even an issue

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Speaker 14: to me. That's the most simplest way of solving all

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Speaker 14: of this. And then also allows these players to top

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Speaker 14: up their income. They're not getting paid a huge amount

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Speaker 14: of money to play in one of these competitions. Why

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Speaker 14: not be able to play a boat because their timing

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Speaker 14: lines up.

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Speaker 12: We then might see.

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Speaker 14: Players from Australia come here and also to play in

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Speaker 14: our competition. So you're then enhancing too. Again, look at

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Speaker 14: other sports. What are other sports doing? Cricket, rugby, there

709
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Speaker 14: is basketball. You can play in multiple competitions, not just one.

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Speaker 14: I think these are the wider conversations. I'll love and

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Speaker 14: I hope that we use the Alana having.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that one. I love that

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Speaker 3: you just push the A and Z back a little

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Speaker 3: bit and line them up. I love that you talked

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Speaker 3: about Grace being a generational player and she's you know this,

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Speaker 3: generations are in Van Dyke. How much confidence did you

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Speaker 3: have playing in a team with Irena and how much

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Speaker 3: confidence will the current team have playing in a team

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Speaker 3: where Grace Wiki is in the shooting circle.

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Speaker 14: Oh look, there are special people that you get to

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Speaker 14: play with and Grace is one of them. There is

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Speaker 14: no doubt, especially in that wing attack position, if you

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Speaker 14: have an Irene Vandyke a Grace Wiki that you can

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Speaker 14: turn off the center pass and have the option of

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Speaker 14: firing that ball in straight away.

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Speaker 8: That is a game changer.

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Speaker 14: And what I love about Grace and This is why

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Speaker 14: I think Grace has been exceptionally brave to go to

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Speaker 14: Australia's She's gone there because she wants to grow her game,

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Speaker 14: so she wants to be better for the Sawer Fern.

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Speaker 14: She is really proud of that Sawer Fern. And that's

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Speaker 14: where I really take my hat off to her. You know,

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Speaker 14: can't have been an easy decision, but she made it anyway,

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Speaker 14: and you know that's why I'd love to see her

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Speaker 14: in that black dress. But again, make it a wider conversation,

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Speaker 14: so it's not just about Grace. Make it while we're

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Speaker 14: having all these other conversations about what Netbull is going

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Speaker 14: to do in New yeal And bride at this moment

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Speaker 14: and make the change because there's no doubt I want

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Speaker 14: to see her in that black dress.

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Speaker 16: Come tiny, Jamison and.

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Speaker 3: Dan, you've had a great context to our discussion this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: just before you go. The Uaan's premiership seasons underway this

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Speaker 3: afternoon in Palme. Do you think my central pulse are

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Speaker 3: the favorites not just for today but for the whole thing?

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Speaker 3: I love?

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Speaker 14: Do you know what I love? The Viral Poles. I

748
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Speaker 14: think they've got a brilliant team but they've got so

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Speaker 14: many injuries right at the moment, and so I actually

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Speaker 14: my pick this week was actually the Magic, but mostly

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Speaker 14: because of those injuries. But I'm very excited about seeing

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Speaker 14: Gabby Simpson. That's cool again an Australian coming to New

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Speaker 14: Zealand adding something different. So I think it will be

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Speaker 14: a very very good game.

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Speaker 3: Al I'm looking forward to it. A Dean, thanks for

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Speaker 3: taking the time for a chat on hear this afternoon.

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Speaker 14: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That's Adean Wilson on News Talk SEDB seven to one.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine,

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Speaker 1: News Talks HEB.

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Speaker 3: Just a wrap our discussion. Why have sports administrators, almost

763
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Speaker 3: without exception, lost the ability to speak to the normal

764
00:40:46,547 --> 00:40:50,227
Speaker 3: everyday fan become masters of saying a lot without actually

765
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Speaker 3: saying anything at all. Business buzzwords, empty words and phrases

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Speaker 3: that mean nothing and don't leave us any wiser about

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Speaker 3: the issue being talked about. You know what I'm talking about. Competencies, deliverables, learnings.

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Speaker 3: That's a terrible one and the one that shows the

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Speaker 3: most disconnect between administrators and fans referring to us the

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Speaker 3: fans as stakeholders. As soon as we're referred to in

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Speaker 3: that way, we become nothing more than a commodity. Sports

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Speaker 3: fandom is built on passion and emotion, So sports administrators,

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Speaker 3: here's a tip for you. Talk in those terms. Talk

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Speaker 3: with passion, talk with honesty, be real enough of the

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Speaker 3: corporate clap trap, and more of the qualities that attract

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Speaker 3: us all of sport in the first place.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

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Speaker 1: and after fields, it's all on Weekend.

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Speaker 2: Sport with Jason Vane on your home of Sports, New York.

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Speaker 3: New Talks hed Be Welcome back into the show. This

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Speaker 3: is Weekend Sport one O seven. I'm Jason Pine and

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Speaker 3: McDonald's show producer. We're here till three. Rugby is our

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Speaker 3: focus for the first part of this our Tony Johnson

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Speaker 3: standing by a chat about tonight's Crusaders Chiefs match. Madness

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Speaker 3: is a big game. That's one where I have no

786
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Speaker 3: skin in the game soever. I'm not a Crusaders fan.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a Chiefs fan, so I can enjoy this

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Speaker 3: game for what it is or what it's hopefully going

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Speaker 3: to be and that is a terrific rugby spectacle between

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Speaker 3: the two best teams in the competition this season. Be

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Speaker 3: keen to hear how you think it's going to go,

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Speaker 3: particularly those of you who don't have skin in the

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Speaker 3: game like me, who are just going to watch these

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Speaker 3: two go at each other. Also happy to hear from

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Speaker 3: you if you're a Crusaders fan or a Chiefs fan,

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Speaker 3: your degree of optimism slash pessimism, whether there are any

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Speaker 3: little worry lines forming. I think the Crusaders a favorite.

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Speaker 3: I had a quick check at the tab before and

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Speaker 3: that seemed to be the case. I don't think anything

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Speaker 3: would have changed in the last little while. Or just

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Speaker 3: have a quick check. Crusader's paying a dollar seventy Chiefs

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Speaker 3: two oh five, So there you go. I think that

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Speaker 3: tells the tale. I'll take some calls on that this

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Speaker 3: our and in Peacock along as well. In about an

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Speaker 3: hour or so from now, the British and Irish Lineans

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Speaker 3: touring squads been named thirty eight men to play, first

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Speaker 3: of all a Test match at Argentina, then a full

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Speaker 3: tour of Australia including Test matches in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Man What a Tour. This is going to be can't wait.

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Speaker 3: James Burridge out of the bbcent an hour or so

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Speaker 3: on that. Just updating your on Live Sport from the

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Speaker 3: NBA Semi Finals in the East. It's the Cavaliers against

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Speaker 3: the Pacers. The Pacers lead this series to nil. This

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Speaker 3: Game three is in Indianapolis, so it's on home court

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Speaker 3: for the Pacers. But they trail at halftime sixty six

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Speaker 3: forty five. So the Calves have come out firing this one,

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Speaker 3: and I guess they have to. They're too nil down.

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Speaker 3: At two o'clock this afternoon, Thunder v Nuggets in Denver.

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Speaker 3: That series in the West is tied up at one apiece.

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Speaker 3: I think we can move to rugby. I think that's

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Speaker 3: what we'll do. Top of the table Super rugby clash

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Speaker 3: in christ Church tonight. Crusaders v Chiefs five past seven

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Speaker 3: Live Commonsround Goldsport and iHeartRadio, second time they've met this season.

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Speaker 3: After their Round two clash in Hamilton, the siren's gone.

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Speaker 1: McKenzie right out in front on the ten meter mark, up.

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Speaker 3: Towards and over and it goes. It's forty nine twenty four.

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Speaker 2: It's all over.

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Speaker 3: See what Minty kept his excitement levels in check. There

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Speaker 3: didn't he why cut All based rugby commentator forty nine

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Speaker 3: to twenty four in round two. So the game's on

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Speaker 3: Goldsport and iHeartRadio also on sky Sport two. Delay coverage

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Speaker 3: on Sky Open at seven thirty. Skysport commentator Tony Johnson

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Speaker 3: is with us to preview this one. TJ always get

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Speaker 3: good to get the chance to chat to you. Does

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Speaker 3: this feel like a potential Grand Final dress rehearsal to you?

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Speaker 6: Well, certainly, Piney.

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Speaker 7: I think the most significant game yet in terms of

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Speaker 7: trying to sort out you know, home advantage, pole position

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Speaker 7: if you like, for the playoffs one and two really

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Speaker 7: important one two or three. I guess the other teams

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Speaker 7: that will get home advantage when it comes to this

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Speaker 7: rather strange playoff scenario that they've got ahead of them.

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Speaker 7: But whoever wins this game, obviously you know they are

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Speaker 7: in the driver's seat to go on and grab the

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Speaker 7: number one spot on the pole. And I think probably

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Speaker 7: for the Chiefs more important even than the Crusaders. Obviously

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Speaker 7: it's going to be huge for both of them. But

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Speaker 7: the Crusaders they are in a pretty good spot right

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Speaker 7: now and if they can win this, and I think

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Speaker 7: their odds on to take top top spot on the

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Speaker 7: on the ladder going into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Has there bounce back from what was, by their standards,

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Speaker 3: a dreadful twenty twenty four come as any surprise to you.

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Speaker 7: Well, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, Pineyer.

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Speaker 7: I mean, last year was an aberration. You know. They

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Speaker 7: no one seemed interested in any excuses that they might

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Speaker 7: made last year, but they did have a horrific list

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Speaker 7: of injuries. Rob Penny was new to the role. You know,

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Speaker 7: it can take a while for these sorts of things,

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Speaker 7: you know, to gel And this year with a more

861
00:46:03,107 --> 00:46:06,947
Speaker 7: healthy roster, a couple of smart acquisitions, and Rob Penny

862
00:46:06,987 --> 00:46:09,467
Speaker 7: with a job a year in the job under his belt.

863
00:46:09,507 --> 00:46:11,587
Speaker 7: I mean, they've come back and they very much do

864
00:46:11,747 --> 00:46:15,427
Speaker 7: look like, you know, something like the Great Crusaders teams.

865
00:46:15,107 --> 00:46:15,667
Speaker 10: Of the past.

866
00:46:15,667 --> 00:46:18,507
Speaker 7: They've still got work to do, but I don't think

867
00:46:18,547 --> 00:46:21,067
Speaker 7: anyone should be surprised at the bounce back. There's just

868
00:46:21,267 --> 00:46:25,187
Speaker 7: too much success, you know, too great a history of

869
00:46:25,307 --> 00:46:28,947
Speaker 7: being able to turn things around from adversity in that franchise,

870
00:46:30,307 --> 00:46:32,467
Speaker 7: you know, and look, you have to say that at

871
00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:34,587
Speaker 7: this point of the season. Things are looking pretty good.

872
00:46:34,587 --> 00:46:37,227
Speaker 7: But you know, it's a bit hard to look into

873
00:46:37,347 --> 00:46:39,587
Speaker 7: too far into the future the way Super Ragan's gone

874
00:46:39,627 --> 00:46:40,027
Speaker 7: this year.

875
00:46:40,467 --> 00:46:42,827
Speaker 3: Just before we drilled down into a couple of key

876
00:46:42,987 --> 00:46:46,627
Speaker 3: players and key matchups. What about the Chiefs. They lost

877
00:46:46,627 --> 00:46:49,307
Speaker 3: to the Hurricanes last time out a second half on

878
00:46:49,547 --> 00:46:52,627
Speaker 3: slaught from the Hurricanes. Wasn't that long ago? They lost

879
00:46:52,627 --> 00:46:55,747
Speaker 3: to the Warratars as well. Are there any stumbles and

880
00:46:55,827 --> 00:46:57,587
Speaker 3: evidence here in the chief season?

881
00:46:58,307 --> 00:46:58,467
Speaker 16: Oh?

882
00:46:58,547 --> 00:47:01,187
Speaker 7: Quite definitely a couple of stumbles there. I mean the

883
00:47:01,227 --> 00:47:04,027
Speaker 7: game against the Warortrs. That was a poor performance by

884
00:47:04,147 --> 00:47:06,667
Speaker 7: the standards that set for themselves through the first half

885
00:47:06,707 --> 00:47:10,027
Speaker 7: of the competition. You know, the Wiata has actually played

886
00:47:10,027 --> 00:47:12,107
Speaker 7: it quite smart. They managed to get a couple of

887
00:47:12,107 --> 00:47:15,027
Speaker 7: shots on Damien McKenzie early on, rattled him a but

888
00:47:15,107 --> 00:47:16,627
Speaker 7: he made a couple of mistakes and it was just

889
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:18,907
Speaker 7: one of those games where the harder he tried, the

890
00:47:18,947 --> 00:47:22,067
Speaker 7: worse it gotten. You know, people make a great deal

891
00:47:22,147 --> 00:47:24,827
Speaker 7: of what the Chiefs are like when Damien McKenzie's playing,

892
00:47:24,867 --> 00:47:27,987
Speaker 7: as against what they like when he's not playing. Well,

893
00:47:27,987 --> 00:47:32,627
Speaker 7: he was playing that night, but obviously, you know, wasn't

894
00:47:32,627 --> 00:47:34,827
Speaker 7: able to influence the game. The way he likes to.

895
00:47:35,027 --> 00:47:37,507
Speaker 7: So yeah, there have been a couple of wobbles there,

896
00:47:38,347 --> 00:47:41,267
Speaker 7: you know, said that wasn't a great performance, and for

897
00:47:41,307 --> 00:47:43,947
Speaker 7: a team that's been so good late in the game,

898
00:47:44,187 --> 00:47:46,507
Speaker 7: it was probably quite alarming the way they fell away

899
00:47:46,587 --> 00:47:49,507
Speaker 7: last week, although I defied anyone to be able to

900
00:47:49,507 --> 00:47:52,147
Speaker 7: cope with the Hurricanes. The way they got their attack

901
00:47:52,227 --> 00:47:54,627
Speaker 7: going in the second half of that game, it was

902
00:47:54,707 --> 00:47:55,627
Speaker 7: quite outstanding.

903
00:47:56,187 --> 00:47:59,387
Speaker 3: Crusaders have lost their starting first five. We started nine

904
00:47:59,387 --> 00:48:04,107
Speaker 3: of their games this season. In Taha Kimera Revere's Rayhannah

905
00:48:04,107 --> 00:48:05,987
Speaker 3: comes into the starting side. Do you think they might

906
00:48:06,027 --> 00:48:07,827
Speaker 3: have been him to go with James O'Connor.

907
00:48:08,467 --> 00:48:11,827
Speaker 7: I think that was what everyone was thinking. That O'Connor

908
00:48:11,867 --> 00:48:15,867
Speaker 7: has been used almost exclusively as a closer. He hasn't

909
00:48:15,867 --> 00:48:17,787
Speaker 7: had many starts at all this year, and it's a

910
00:48:17,867 --> 00:48:21,227
Speaker 7: role he's done really well, probably in a way to

911
00:48:21,307 --> 00:48:24,867
Speaker 7: the detriment of his chances of getting in the Wallaby team.

912
00:48:24,907 --> 00:48:26,747
Speaker 7: I mean, there was some talk about him being called

913
00:48:26,787 --> 00:48:28,947
Speaker 7: into the Wallabies, you know, to play the British and

914
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:32,907
Speaker 7: Irish Lions because of the vast experience and you know,

915
00:48:33,107 --> 00:48:36,947
Speaker 7: quite obvious maturing of his game and just maturing of

916
00:48:36,987 --> 00:48:40,787
Speaker 7: him as a person, but obviously they have decided that

917
00:48:40,787 --> 00:48:44,107
Speaker 7: that's the role that suits the team needs best and look,

918
00:48:44,347 --> 00:48:46,827
Speaker 7: rivers round. He's been around the team for a couple

919
00:48:46,867 --> 00:48:50,427
Speaker 7: of years. I think he has a great advantage in that,

920
00:48:50,667 --> 00:48:53,667
Speaker 7: you know, he's got a very good leader of the

921
00:48:53,747 --> 00:48:57,867
Speaker 7: team playing immediately outside him, and David really and really,

922
00:48:57,867 --> 00:48:59,667
Speaker 7: he's a guy you know, gets judged a fair bit.

923
00:49:00,507 --> 00:49:04,067
Speaker 7: It's a very demanding, very exacting position that he plays.

924
00:49:04,107 --> 00:49:06,787
Speaker 7: But he's one of those guys he's probably best by

925
00:49:06,787 --> 00:49:09,227
Speaker 7: the people who play with him and who play against him.

926
00:49:09,587 --> 00:49:12,387
Speaker 7: And I think it's to the advantage of it, Ahana

927
00:49:12,467 --> 00:49:14,947
Speaker 7: that he's got a guy like that outside him. And

928
00:49:15,227 --> 00:49:18,147
Speaker 7: it's really just a matter of everyone else's It's an

929
00:49:18,187 --> 00:49:20,147
Speaker 7: adage that the all Backs used that you know, you

930
00:49:20,267 --> 00:49:23,947
Speaker 7: lose an important player, everyone else just raises their game

931
00:49:23,987 --> 00:49:26,787
Speaker 7: by a notch to help the guy who steps in,

932
00:49:27,707 --> 00:49:30,667
Speaker 7: you know, to enable him to do his job. And look,

933
00:49:30,867 --> 00:49:33,547
Speaker 7: I'm sure he will. But that's going to be a

934
00:49:33,627 --> 00:49:36,067
Speaker 7: key point of the game, is the performance of the

935
00:49:36,147 --> 00:49:40,147
Speaker 7: number tens. Obviously Mackenzie for the Chiefs, but you know,

936
00:49:40,187 --> 00:49:42,427
Speaker 7: they've got to get him some decent ball and if

937
00:49:42,427 --> 00:49:44,547
Speaker 7: they can get him some decent ball, some go forward

938
00:49:44,627 --> 00:49:48,027
Speaker 7: ball for him to weave a magic well, then that

939
00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:50,707
Speaker 7: they are a shot at winning the game. And as

940
00:49:50,707 --> 00:49:53,347
Speaker 7: I say, I think it's really important for the Chiefs

941
00:49:53,547 --> 00:49:58,147
Speaker 7: to win this game, probably more so because they lost

942
00:49:58,227 --> 00:50:00,627
Speaker 7: round last week that the Crusaders were able to sit

943
00:50:00,707 --> 00:50:04,227
Speaker 7: back and watch everything unfold from the comfort of their

944
00:50:04,267 --> 00:50:07,747
Speaker 7: own couches. They were equal on with the Chiefs going

945
00:50:07,747 --> 00:50:10,187
Speaker 7: into the weekend, and they were equal on points with

946
00:50:10,227 --> 00:50:11,947
Speaker 7: the Chiefs coming out of the weekend. But in the

947
00:50:11,987 --> 00:50:14,507
Speaker 7: meantime they've got a game in hand and they've closed

948
00:50:14,587 --> 00:50:18,067
Speaker 7: up the points four and against. So I think the Onnus,

949
00:50:18,107 --> 00:50:22,067
Speaker 7: I think the pressure probably really more or the most

950
00:50:23,307 --> 00:50:25,187
Speaker 7: pressure on both things. But I think the Chiefs is

951
00:50:25,227 --> 00:50:27,987
Speaker 7: a lot of pressure on this game because they've got

952
00:50:28,027 --> 00:50:31,187
Speaker 7: the buy next week and you know, potentially could lose

953
00:50:31,227 --> 00:50:35,707
Speaker 7: ground and they'd be starting to think about the Brundies now,

954
00:50:36,307 --> 00:50:39,387
Speaker 7: who are closing the gap on those top two New

955
00:50:39,427 --> 00:50:41,787
Speaker 7: Zealand teams, which is a scenario we perhaps didn't see

956
00:50:41,827 --> 00:50:42,547
Speaker 7: a few weeks ago.

957
00:50:42,827 --> 00:50:45,787
Speaker 3: And just before we move out of the first five position,

958
00:50:45,987 --> 00:50:47,987
Speaker 3: Damie McKenzie was always going to come back into the

959
00:50:48,027 --> 00:50:51,667
Speaker 3: side but Josh Jacob has had a good number of

960
00:50:51,707 --> 00:50:53,147
Speaker 3: games in the ten jump. But what have you made

961
00:50:53,147 --> 00:50:54,827
Speaker 3: of Josh Jacob for the Chiefs this year?

962
00:50:54,867 --> 00:50:58,347
Speaker 7: TJ Well, I think just about like every other ten

963
00:50:58,427 --> 00:51:01,267
Speaker 7: that comes into top level rugby or this level rugby

964
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:04,067
Speaker 7: in New Zealand, you know, they're learning. You know, our

965
00:51:04,147 --> 00:51:08,387
Speaker 7: number ten's come out of college and there's you know,

966
00:51:08,627 --> 00:51:11,827
Speaker 7: very few of them are the other finished article in

967
00:51:11,947 --> 00:51:13,787
Speaker 7: terms of learning how to run a game, how to

968
00:51:13,827 --> 00:51:16,587
Speaker 7: control the game, both with the passing, the kicking, the

969
00:51:16,707 --> 00:51:19,467
Speaker 7: judgment of vision to see what's in front of you.

970
00:51:19,587 --> 00:51:21,827
Speaker 7: So it's a it's a tall order for a guy.

971
00:51:21,867 --> 00:51:24,787
Speaker 7: You know, he's been around a few years now, but

972
00:51:25,427 --> 00:51:30,547
Speaker 7: he's still learning about the game. And look, he's very solid.

973
00:51:30,707 --> 00:51:33,547
Speaker 7: I think the guy that they were kind of looking

974
00:51:33,587 --> 00:51:37,907
Speaker 7: at to be the number to, you know, the backup

975
00:51:37,947 --> 00:51:41,267
Speaker 7: to Mackenzie or the alternate to Mackenzie at Thames, Caleb Trask.

976
00:51:41,987 --> 00:51:44,227
Speaker 7: He just he's got that extra bit of experience, a

977
00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:47,307
Speaker 7: lot of silky skills. Again about it about him, But

978
00:51:47,347 --> 00:51:50,507
Speaker 7: the poor guy just can't catch a lucky break at

979
00:51:50,547 --> 00:51:53,427
Speaker 7: the moment with his injuries, and so that that's sort

980
00:51:53,467 --> 00:51:56,907
Speaker 7: of been a that's probably meant that Jacob has played

981
00:51:56,907 --> 00:51:59,507
Speaker 7: more on the front line than they might have been anticipating. Look,

982
00:51:59,667 --> 00:52:01,987
Speaker 7: you know the futures ahead of it. You know, he's

983
00:52:02,027 --> 00:52:04,427
Speaker 7: got a good future ahead of him, Jacob, But as

984
00:52:04,467 --> 00:52:07,427
Speaker 7: I say, at the moment, he's still learning out the

985
00:52:07,467 --> 00:52:10,107
Speaker 7: game and you know what was a pretty unforgiving level

986
00:52:10,107 --> 00:52:10,587
Speaker 7: of rugby.

987
00:52:11,267 --> 00:52:13,507
Speaker 3: So Wallace Satiti is going to start his first game

988
00:52:13,507 --> 00:52:15,067
Speaker 3: of the season having come off the bench in the

989
00:52:15,107 --> 00:52:18,267
Speaker 3: last two. Gee, there's some strength in the chiefs. Lucy's

990
00:52:18,267 --> 00:52:21,067
Speaker 3: Parker Jacobs and Satti tonight for now off the bench.

991
00:52:21,067 --> 00:52:23,387
Speaker 3: Both you can't even get in the twenty three. How

992
00:52:23,427 --> 00:52:25,667
Speaker 3: bigger part will the loose forward battle be tonight?

993
00:52:26,747 --> 00:52:30,187
Speaker 7: It'll be huge and both, as you say, got very

994
00:52:30,187 --> 00:52:31,547
Speaker 7: good loose trios.

995
00:52:31,587 --> 00:52:33,027
Speaker 5: I mean you talk about.

996
00:52:32,987 --> 00:52:36,307
Speaker 7: Satiti there and obviously he was he just had a

997
00:52:36,387 --> 00:52:40,427
Speaker 7: phenomenal year last year in which he emerged not only

998
00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:43,667
Speaker 7: as a standout player in New Zealand but probably you know,

999
00:52:43,707 --> 00:52:46,867
Speaker 7: on the world stage. But you know, the Crusaders have

1000
00:52:46,947 --> 00:52:50,387
Speaker 7: got a guy in Christian Leo Willie who's arousing a

1001
00:52:50,427 --> 00:52:53,747
Speaker 7: lot of discussion at the moment with his ability at

1002
00:52:53,747 --> 00:52:56,667
Speaker 7: that number eight. We're pretty blessed at the moment, not

1003
00:52:57,227 --> 00:53:01,947
Speaker 7: necessarily big guys, but really good ball players, ball carriers,

1004
00:53:02,467 --> 00:53:05,387
Speaker 7: guys with good work rates. I just thought we've seen

1005
00:53:05,467 --> 00:53:08,867
Speaker 7: glimpses though ready since coming back of what Satiti is

1006
00:53:08,907 --> 00:53:12,787
Speaker 7: capable of. You know, he is an outstanding talent. So look,

1007
00:53:12,827 --> 00:53:17,947
Speaker 7: there's a head to head watch there. I actually think

1008
00:53:17,947 --> 00:53:21,627
Speaker 7: it's probably more going to come down to the Type five. Yeah,

1009
00:53:21,747 --> 00:53:24,347
Speaker 7: you think the Crusaders, it's always been their go to,

1010
00:53:24,507 --> 00:53:27,427
Speaker 7: hasn't it. It's been there, you know, when in their

1011
00:53:27,467 --> 00:53:29,587
Speaker 7: own half they win a scrum penalty, get out of

1012
00:53:29,627 --> 00:53:32,147
Speaker 7: their own half, that sort of thing, the line out drive,

1013
00:53:32,227 --> 00:53:35,587
Speaker 7: all of those things. And you know, if there's been

1014
00:53:35,667 --> 00:53:38,107
Speaker 7: a standout in that regard for the Crusaders, I think

1015
00:53:38,107 --> 00:53:43,547
Speaker 7: Fletcher Newell has just reminded us of why he's been elevated,

1016
00:53:43,627 --> 00:53:46,467
Speaker 7: propelled into all black ranks. His scrummaging in particular has

1017
00:53:46,507 --> 00:53:49,147
Speaker 7: been outstanding over the last few weeks, and that I'm

1018
00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:52,987
Speaker 7: sure they'll challenge the chiefs there in the Type five

1019
00:53:53,387 --> 00:53:56,267
Speaker 7: and that gives their loose forwards that you know that

1020
00:53:56,307 --> 00:53:58,027
Speaker 7: they're aimble be to give their loose forwards and their

1021
00:53:58,067 --> 00:54:01,467
Speaker 7: back line a better platform to operate from but they

1022
00:54:01,507 --> 00:54:03,747
Speaker 7: even up. They match up pretty well, don't they, these

1023
00:54:03,747 --> 00:54:05,267
Speaker 7: two teams when you look at them on paper?

1024
00:54:05,347 --> 00:54:07,347
Speaker 3: Oh, without question, Jane, And I think that's why it

1025
00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:10,027
Speaker 3: makes it such a compelling proposition. And I, like you,

1026
00:54:10,147 --> 00:54:12,587
Speaker 3: I think I'm leaning towards the Crusaders for all of them,

1027
00:54:12,747 --> 00:54:16,267
Speaker 3: all the reasons you've outlined. But the Chiefs they've made

1028
00:54:16,267 --> 00:54:19,547
Speaker 3: the last two Grand finals, lost them both. They always

1029
00:54:19,587 --> 00:54:23,427
Speaker 3: look good across a regular Super Rugby season. Can you

1030
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:25,827
Speaker 3: see them winning Super Rugby this year? They could, couldn't they?

1031
00:54:26,387 --> 00:54:28,827
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean right from the word go, they've

1032
00:54:28,827 --> 00:54:31,947
Speaker 7: looked a team capable and I think at this well,

1033
00:54:31,987 --> 00:54:33,987
Speaker 7: at the start of the season I had them down

1034
00:54:34,387 --> 00:54:37,307
Speaker 7: if I mean, obviously, like everyone else, I thought the

1035
00:54:37,307 --> 00:54:39,107
Speaker 7: Blues might be a good shot of going back to

1036
00:54:39,147 --> 00:54:42,107
Speaker 7: back when that's I mean, that's a chance, but it's

1037
00:54:42,107 --> 00:54:44,747
Speaker 7: a tall order for them. But I always sort of

1038
00:54:44,747 --> 00:54:47,107
Speaker 7: saw the Chiefs as the most likely challenger, But then

1039
00:54:47,427 --> 00:54:50,867
Speaker 7: I wasn't accounting for the terrific turnaround that we've seen

1040
00:54:50,907 --> 00:54:54,107
Speaker 7: from the Crusaders. But no, they're still very much in

1041
00:54:54,187 --> 00:54:57,667
Speaker 7: the hunt. And look you look at that back line

1042
00:54:57,667 --> 00:54:59,587
Speaker 7: that they've got. They've got some of those X factor

1043
00:54:59,627 --> 00:55:02,347
Speaker 7: players there that can turn a game. You know, Leroy

1044
00:55:02,427 --> 00:55:06,307
Speaker 7: Carter just on multiple skills that he's got a multi

1045
00:55:06,467 --> 00:55:08,667
Speaker 7: all ways he can impact on the game. Two players

1046
00:55:08,747 --> 00:55:11,667
Speaker 7: been very solid, very solid, got himself back into All

1047
00:55:11,667 --> 00:55:14,467
Speaker 7: Black contention in the twelve Jersey and of course a

1048
00:55:14,587 --> 00:55:18,747
Speaker 7: Moni Nadawa, who I'll probably start arguments here, but if

1049
00:55:18,787 --> 00:55:20,627
Speaker 7: I was picking an All Black team today, he'd probably

1050
00:55:20,627 --> 00:55:23,267
Speaker 7: be my number one right wing. So and of course

1051
00:55:23,267 --> 00:55:26,507
Speaker 7: Stevenson at the back. So heaps the talent there. It's

1052
00:55:26,587 --> 00:55:29,947
Speaker 7: just a matter of whether or not they can provide

1053
00:55:29,947 --> 00:55:33,787
Speaker 7: them with those those opportunities, those half chances that they need,

1054
00:55:34,347 --> 00:55:36,467
Speaker 7: you know, because you know that the Crusaders will have

1055
00:55:36,507 --> 00:55:40,227
Speaker 7: been totally gearing up with especially with a week off,

1056
00:55:40,667 --> 00:55:44,107
Speaker 7: They've had a long time to focus on this game.

1057
00:55:44,547 --> 00:55:47,387
Speaker 7: And that's why I think that, you know, the Chiefs,

1058
00:55:47,387 --> 00:55:49,507
Speaker 7: it's a tall order to try and break that down,

1059
00:55:49,547 --> 00:55:51,907
Speaker 7: but look at there's one team in the competition that's

1060
00:55:51,907 --> 00:55:55,307
Speaker 7: capable of doing that, particularly if the Crusaders aren't at

1061
00:55:55,307 --> 00:55:57,587
Speaker 7: their best, because you know, we've seen that in this competition.

1062
00:55:57,627 --> 00:56:00,347
Speaker 7: If you are even at ninety five percent, you're vulnerable

1063
00:56:00,347 --> 00:56:04,707
Speaker 7: in this competition. So yeah, it's it's quite compelling, isn't

1064
00:56:04,707 --> 00:56:06,627
Speaker 7: it's it's quite an enticing prospect.

1065
00:56:06,787 --> 00:56:10,467
Speaker 3: Certainly is certainly is a mouthwatering clash and prospect. Can't wait. TJ.

1066
00:56:10,547 --> 00:56:11,987
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time and expertise.

1067
00:56:12,027 --> 00:56:14,267
Speaker 7: As always, Oh oh you're welcome, piny No.

1068
00:56:14,347 --> 00:56:18,147
Speaker 3: Thank you, TJ. Tony Johnson with his thoughts always articulate.

1069
00:56:18,147 --> 00:56:19,667
Speaker 3: It always picks up on a couple of things that

1070
00:56:19,707 --> 00:56:21,987
Speaker 3: I haven't thought of always, and that's the reason we

1071
00:56:22,027 --> 00:56:24,947
Speaker 3: get them on, of course, these experts to give us

1072
00:56:24,947 --> 00:56:26,627
Speaker 3: a bit of analysis that we hadn't quite thought of.

1073
00:56:27,227 --> 00:56:29,667
Speaker 3: One two o eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1074
00:56:29,747 --> 00:56:31,907
Speaker 3: Let's talk about a rugby Who have you got tonight?

1075
00:56:32,947 --> 00:56:36,667
Speaker 3: Particularly the neutral If you're not a Chiefs or Crusaders fan,

1076
00:56:36,667 --> 00:56:40,027
Speaker 3: who wins this game? And why? And if you are

1077
00:56:40,067 --> 00:56:42,547
Speaker 3: a Chiefs fan, how optimistic are you? If you're a

1078
00:56:42,627 --> 00:56:45,267
Speaker 3: Crusaders fan, how optimistic are you? I've never met a

1079
00:56:45,267 --> 00:56:48,067
Speaker 3: Crusaders fan who was not optimistic about a game of rugby.

1080
00:56:48,587 --> 00:56:53,307
Speaker 3: But are you at all concerned? I've actually got the

1081
00:56:53,347 --> 00:56:57,827
Speaker 3: Chiefs winning it. Here, I'll put my cards on the table.

1082
00:56:57,907 --> 00:57:00,307
Speaker 3: I've got them winning it for a couple of reasons

1083
00:57:00,507 --> 00:57:03,587
Speaker 3: won the return of Damien McKenzie. I just think he

1084
00:57:03,667 --> 00:57:07,107
Speaker 3: makes such a massive difference to this Chief side. The

1085
00:57:07,187 --> 00:57:10,827
Speaker 3: Chiefs always look better when Damien McKenzie plays. Now again,

1086
00:57:10,907 --> 00:57:13,747
Speaker 3: I know this is not deep analysis that I'm coming

1087
00:57:13,827 --> 00:57:17,147
Speaker 3: up with here, This is not Tony Johnson type analysis

1088
00:57:17,187 --> 00:57:20,027
Speaker 3: for you, but he wasn't there the last couple of weeks.

1089
00:57:20,267 --> 00:57:23,707
Speaker 3: They really missed him against the Hurricanes. I thought last

1090
00:57:23,707 --> 00:57:25,987
Speaker 3: week I watched the Hurricanes and I was delighted, obviously

1091
00:57:26,067 --> 00:57:27,827
Speaker 3: to watch my Hurricanes beat the Chiefs, but I thought

1092
00:57:28,347 --> 00:57:31,307
Speaker 3: the Chiefs just don't look the same side without Damien

1093
00:57:31,387 --> 00:57:34,227
Speaker 3: McKenzie and the ten jumper Josh Jacob. Very good player,

1094
00:57:34,387 --> 00:57:37,427
Speaker 3: a lot of potential, but he's not Damien McKenzie. So

1095
00:57:37,747 --> 00:57:41,107
Speaker 3: that's one reason. And I guess the other part of

1096
00:57:41,147 --> 00:57:45,067
Speaker 3: that is that for the Crusaders, they've had Taha Kimaa

1097
00:57:45,267 --> 00:57:49,187
Speaker 3: and they have been nursing him along, would you say,

1098
00:57:49,227 --> 00:57:52,147
Speaker 3: developing him, giving him the keys to the car. They

1099
00:57:52,187 --> 00:57:55,507
Speaker 3: could easily at any stage over the first ten games

1100
00:57:55,507 --> 00:57:58,907
Speaker 3: of the competition said to James O'Connor, look we want

1101
00:57:58,947 --> 00:58:01,547
Speaker 3: you to start. He's only started one game and they

1102
00:58:01,587 --> 00:58:04,587
Speaker 3: lost that one to Malwana. PACIFICA. I'm not saying it

1103
00:58:04,587 --> 00:58:08,307
Speaker 3: was James O'Connor's fault, absolutely not. He's been invaluable off

1104
00:58:08,307 --> 00:58:12,107
Speaker 3: the bench for them, with some clutch kicks and a

1105
00:58:12,187 --> 00:58:17,427
Speaker 3: calming influence on this team. Reverez Raehanner. I just haven't

1106
00:58:17,467 --> 00:58:19,547
Speaker 3: seen enough of him to really know. I thought he

1107
00:58:19,587 --> 00:58:21,307
Speaker 3: was good when he came off the bench last week

1108
00:58:21,627 --> 00:58:25,187
Speaker 3: against the Highlanders, but I mean that was a bit

1109
00:58:25,227 --> 00:58:27,707
Speaker 3: of a walk in the park, wasn't it for the

1110
00:58:27,707 --> 00:58:31,627
Speaker 3: Crusaders against the Highlanders. This is very, very different tonight.

1111
00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:35,747
Speaker 3: So I think the Battle of the Tens will be pivotal.

1112
00:58:36,547 --> 00:58:38,307
Speaker 3: And then I look at the battle of the loose

1113
00:58:38,347 --> 00:58:41,867
Speaker 3: forwards and as TJ said, it's likely to be not

1114
00:58:41,987 --> 00:58:44,467
Speaker 3: decided up from but what happens in the Type five

1115
00:58:44,587 --> 00:58:46,787
Speaker 3: is going to be very important. But I look at

1116
00:58:46,787 --> 00:58:48,427
Speaker 3: the Lucies, you know, and I look at the Chiefs

1117
00:58:48,507 --> 00:58:51,627
Speaker 3: Lucy's and it's been a strength of theirs for a while.

1118
00:58:52,267 --> 00:58:57,787
Speaker 3: And when you add Wallace Setiti back into us starting fifteen,

1119
00:58:58,707 --> 00:59:02,867
Speaker 3: and we all know just how dynamic and how influential

1120
00:59:02,907 --> 00:59:05,587
Speaker 3: he was last year in the Chiefs run to the final.

1121
00:59:05,627 --> 00:59:08,147
Speaker 3: When you add him back and having watched him in

1122
00:59:08,187 --> 00:59:09,787
Speaker 3: the last couple of games off the bench against the

1123
00:59:09,827 --> 00:59:12,467
Speaker 3: Force and then against the Hurricanes, it didn't seem like

1124
00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:16,427
Speaker 3: he'd lost a lot in terms of his barn storming ability,

1125
00:59:16,467 --> 00:59:22,907
Speaker 3: particularly against the Force. He Simon Parker and Luke Jacobson

1126
00:59:22,947 --> 00:59:26,947
Speaker 3: are a pretty compelling loose forward trio, and then Summer

1127
00:59:27,027 --> 00:59:30,787
Speaker 3: Penny female waiting in reserve to come on and wreak

1128
00:59:31,307 --> 00:59:34,107
Speaker 3: the havoc that he can. The Crusaders are good and

1129
00:59:34,147 --> 00:59:38,787
Speaker 3: the Loose as well. Let's not kid ourselves. Cullen Grace,

1130
00:59:39,907 --> 00:59:44,667
Speaker 3: Tom Christy, Christian Leo Willie three very good loose forwards.

1131
00:59:45,587 --> 00:59:47,787
Speaker 3: But I just wonder whether the Chiefs have the edge

1132
00:59:47,787 --> 00:59:51,867
Speaker 3: there as well. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1133
00:59:52,187 --> 00:59:54,667
Speaker 3: I can pontificate for as long as I like. I'd

1134
00:59:54,707 --> 00:59:56,347
Speaker 3: like to get your view, actually, and in fact, can

1135
00:59:56,347 --> 01:00:00,587
Speaker 3: we run just a very scientific, sorry unscientific text, Pole,

1136
01:00:01,147 --> 01:00:04,267
Speaker 3: Let's just run a very unscientific text, Pole, just text

1137
01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:06,987
Speaker 3: who you think is going to win the game? Crusaders?

1138
01:00:07,987 --> 01:00:11,387
Speaker 3: I mean, I trust the ZB Weekend Sport audience too

1139
01:00:12,267 --> 01:00:14,747
Speaker 3: to give us a guide here, So fire them through

1140
01:00:14,747 --> 01:00:19,067
Speaker 3: on nine two ninety two. Who wins tonight? Crusaders or Chiefs? Oh,

1141
01:00:19,067 --> 01:00:20,787
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to

1142
01:00:20,787 --> 01:00:22,787
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Speaker 3: One thirty talking super Rugby eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1165
01:01:31,907 --> 01:01:34,027
Speaker 3: Just a few throw on text. In fact, more than

1166
01:01:34,067 --> 01:01:37,067
Speaker 3: a few are crusaders. Crusaders by twelve twenty seven All

1167
01:01:37,147 --> 01:01:43,467
Speaker 3: draw chiefs crusaders easily crusaders, crusaders just crusaders, crusaders hopefully

1168
01:01:43,747 --> 01:01:47,787
Speaker 3: crusaders by six Crusaders with Damien McKenzie back the Chiefs

1169
01:01:47,827 --> 01:01:52,307
Speaker 3: by ten. Crusaders, of course crusaders. You talk too much,

1170
01:01:52,587 --> 01:01:57,867
Speaker 3: says Stephen. Sorry, Stephen, I didn't mean to annoy you.

1171
01:01:58,907 --> 01:02:01,947
Speaker 3: Editor who cares, really, says James. It's all about Pornickey,

1172
01:02:02,627 --> 01:02:07,667
Speaker 3: go the street kids. Thanks in d James, keep them

1173
01:02:08,387 --> 01:02:12,427
Speaker 3: keep them coming. You talk too much. I absolutely love it.

1174
01:02:13,227 --> 01:02:16,987
Speaker 17: Hello film Okay, Piney, there's a good thing.

1175
01:02:17,027 --> 01:02:17,227
Speaker 4: You do.

1176
01:02:17,387 --> 01:02:20,147
Speaker 17: Talk too much made otherwise wouldn't have much of a show.

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01:02:20,747 --> 01:02:22,907
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I do. I do like it when

1178
01:02:22,907 --> 01:02:27,387
Speaker 3: others yourself included contribute, Phil. I mean I think I'm

1179
01:02:27,427 --> 01:02:29,547
Speaker 3: sort of painter to have a yarn occasionally.

1180
01:02:30,467 --> 01:02:34,307
Speaker 17: Yeah, no, no, no, dead right. Tony Johnson's good to

1181
01:02:34,307 --> 01:02:35,107
Speaker 17: listen to, isn't he.

1182
01:02:35,267 --> 01:02:36,907
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's crazy, he's already good.

1183
01:02:37,867 --> 01:02:41,667
Speaker 17: He got touch good knowledge. Can I before we get

1184
01:02:42,027 --> 01:02:44,707
Speaker 17: same a bit on on the rugby, can I just

1185
01:02:44,827 --> 01:02:47,747
Speaker 17: dabble into the little the netball have a word with

1186
01:02:47,787 --> 01:02:52,307
Speaker 17: the netbull pp as well? Even though yeah, sure, I

1187
01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:54,987
Speaker 17: agree with what you said. I was listening to the

1188
01:02:55,747 --> 01:02:58,987
Speaker 17: fellow that you were interviewing and and you sort of

1189
01:02:59,027 --> 01:03:01,107
Speaker 17: summed up at the end of the hour. You mentioned

1190
01:03:01,107 --> 01:03:05,467
Speaker 17: the word steakholders, and that's what he kept saying about

1191
01:03:05,507 --> 01:03:08,667
Speaker 17: stakeholders and what's benefit and best and going forward for

1192
01:03:08,707 --> 01:03:12,547
Speaker 17: the stakeholders and the competition and what else is the

1193
01:03:12,547 --> 01:03:15,627
Speaker 17: product as well? And I tried to get through to you,

1194
01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:19,147
Speaker 17: but I couldn't at the time because to me, that

1195
01:03:19,147 --> 01:03:21,707
Speaker 17: that was the nail one that he had did to me.

1196
01:03:22,547 --> 01:03:25,987
Speaker 17: He was just reluctant to say that it's all about

1197
01:03:26,027 --> 01:03:28,227
Speaker 17: the profit and the money and the TV, you know,

1198
01:03:28,347 --> 01:03:31,987
Speaker 17: and keeping the audience for the shareholders. The stakeholders and

1199
01:03:32,027 --> 01:03:37,507
Speaker 17: the profit rather than the players, you know, because yeah,

1200
01:03:37,627 --> 01:03:39,547
Speaker 17: that's what I got out of it, because all he

1201
01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:43,027
Speaker 17: kept saying was sort of like going around in circles

1202
01:03:43,707 --> 01:03:48,987
Speaker 17: saying that, you know, we don't want to not explaining

1203
01:03:49,067 --> 01:03:50,267
Speaker 17: myself very well, but.

1204
01:03:50,547 --> 01:03:52,267
Speaker 3: Now I give what you're saying. I got you to

1205
01:03:52,307 --> 01:03:54,547
Speaker 3: say for I just felt we moved further and further

1206
01:03:54,627 --> 01:03:57,667
Speaker 3: away from netball as a sport as we were chatting.

1207
01:03:58,107 --> 01:04:00,107
Speaker 3: You know, I know it's a business. I know it is.

1208
01:04:00,147 --> 01:04:02,347
Speaker 3: I know they've got to make money. I know professional

1209
01:04:02,387 --> 01:04:04,947
Speaker 3: sport is a business like any other. But I just

1210
01:04:04,987 --> 01:04:07,987
Speaker 3: feel as though sports should, you know, be a place

1211
01:04:08,027 --> 01:04:15,187
Speaker 3: where we don't talk about learnings and core competencies and stakeholders.

1212
01:04:15,187 --> 01:04:16,547
Speaker 3: That's the one I think that does my head in

1213
01:04:16,587 --> 01:04:20,507
Speaker 3: the most is when I know there are stakeholders, yes, sponsors,

1214
01:04:20,867 --> 01:04:25,867
Speaker 3: broadcast partners, those sorts of people, But when fans us,

1215
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:29,267
Speaker 3: you and me are referred to as stakeholders, I just

1216
01:04:29,347 --> 01:04:35,067
Speaker 3: kind of think it really depersonalizes us as as passionate

1217
01:04:35,147 --> 01:04:36,827
Speaker 3: fans of the sport that we follow.

1218
01:04:38,187 --> 01:04:41,067
Speaker 17: Yeah, dead right, and like you say, just seem to

1219
01:04:41,067 --> 01:04:44,147
Speaker 17: get further further away from the actual core issue that

1220
01:04:44,147 --> 01:04:46,987
Speaker 17: we were that you were trying to pin them down on,

1221
01:04:47,147 --> 01:04:51,187
Speaker 17: you know, and Nardine was Nardine Wilson, she actually was.

1222
01:04:51,467 --> 01:04:54,587
Speaker 17: She was great to listen to because she really put

1223
01:04:54,667 --> 01:04:58,387
Speaker 17: some really good points across, you know, and some alternatives

1224
01:04:58,387 --> 01:05:02,907
Speaker 17: and things and never you know, mentioned about stakeholders and

1225
01:05:02,947 --> 01:05:05,347
Speaker 17: money and profit and that kind of thing. So yeah, no,

1226
01:05:05,507 --> 01:05:08,667
Speaker 17: I agree with him. So the old because it's a

1227
01:05:08,747 --> 01:05:11,827
Speaker 17: crazy rule, I think, you know, crazy rule.

1228
01:05:12,907 --> 01:05:17,307
Speaker 3: But let's let's they change it. So let's what thoughts

1229
01:05:17,307 --> 01:05:18,827
Speaker 3: on the rug What are your thoughts on the rugby?

1230
01:05:19,787 --> 01:05:22,187
Speaker 17: Well, I'm going to be a bit patriotic and since

1231
01:05:22,227 --> 01:05:24,187
Speaker 17: I lived here in Canterbury and that even though I'm

1232
01:05:24,187 --> 01:05:26,187
Speaker 17: from Southland, like I was saying, and Andy and should

1233
01:05:26,307 --> 01:05:29,147
Speaker 17: should support the Islanders in theory, but I'm going to

1234
01:05:29,187 --> 01:05:33,347
Speaker 17: go with the crusaders'll be the hell of a game.

1235
01:05:33,427 --> 01:05:36,187
Speaker 17: That'll be one thing I know. That'll be a fantastic games.

1236
01:05:36,187 --> 01:05:38,307
Speaker 17: Got to be some great matchups, like you say, with

1237
01:05:38,387 --> 01:05:41,667
Speaker 17: the two number tens, McKenzie coming back, because he definitely

1238
01:05:41,707 --> 01:05:43,667
Speaker 17: does have an impact on a game when it when

1239
01:05:43,707 --> 01:05:47,347
Speaker 17: he plays, and you know the two number eights that

1240
01:05:47,427 --> 01:05:51,987
Speaker 17: Satiti is and Willy or his name Leo Will.

1241
01:05:52,107 --> 01:05:53,707
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian Christian Leo Willy.

1242
01:05:53,787 --> 01:05:57,427
Speaker 17: Yep, yeah, Christian Leo Willy. Like we know how good

1243
01:05:57,187 --> 01:06:01,307
Speaker 17: too too is. I'm not very good with names, but

1244
01:06:01,427 --> 01:06:04,267
Speaker 17: we know how good he is. But the fellow Willy,

1245
01:06:04,747 --> 01:06:08,227
Speaker 17: Christian Willy, he's enough. And I mean, you know he's

1246
01:06:08,947 --> 01:06:12,147
Speaker 17: he's up and coming, you know, so see how far

1247
01:06:12,187 --> 01:06:14,907
Speaker 17: he's going to go because I think in time he'll

1248
01:06:14,947 --> 01:06:16,787
Speaker 17: be an all black man. I can see him becoming

1249
01:06:16,787 --> 01:06:17,987
Speaker 17: an all black myself, just.

1250
01:06:17,907 --> 01:06:22,147
Speaker 3: From christ Yeah, he's already been talked about in those

1251
01:06:22,307 --> 01:06:26,347
Speaker 3: in those conversations. He's he's he's a little bit older.

1252
01:06:26,387 --> 01:06:29,347
Speaker 3: He's not. He hasn't just arrived. He's twenty six, I

1253
01:06:29,387 --> 01:06:32,147
Speaker 3: think Christian I welly, But look, I mean last year,

1254
01:06:32,267 --> 01:06:34,667
Speaker 3: no one, no one had really heard of well say,

1255
01:06:34,667 --> 01:06:36,707
Speaker 3: we hadn't heard of him. We weren't really well aware

1256
01:06:36,747 --> 01:06:39,987
Speaker 3: of Wallace Atiti last year. And you'll remember this, fil

1257
01:06:40,027 --> 01:06:42,227
Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot of clamor for Hoskins

1258
01:06:42,467 --> 01:06:46,387
Speaker 3: Satutu last year after his excellent season with the Blues.

1259
01:06:46,707 --> 01:06:49,747
Speaker 3: And he's again, you know, been playing I don't think

1260
01:06:49,747 --> 01:06:51,627
Speaker 3: to the heights of last season. But he's still a

1261
01:06:51,707 --> 01:06:54,467
Speaker 3: first choice number eight for the Blues. I think. So

1262
01:06:54,947 --> 01:06:57,427
Speaker 3: look there's all sorts of competition around those loose Ford spots,

1263
01:06:57,427 --> 01:06:59,667
Speaker 3: but I just think, you know, last year proved that

1264
01:06:59,667 --> 01:07:01,667
Speaker 3: that Wallace a Titi is a pretty special sort of

1265
01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:02,107
Speaker 3: a player.

1266
01:07:03,067 --> 01:07:05,587
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's that's that's dead true. And the other thing

1267
01:07:05,627 --> 01:07:08,507
Speaker 17: I want to mention too, because I said any Andy

1268
01:07:08,627 --> 01:07:12,467
Speaker 17: is I want to mention Tom Christie, you know, for

1269
01:07:12,627 --> 01:07:16,147
Speaker 17: the Crusaders, and I just think that guy is fantastic.

1270
01:07:16,227 --> 01:07:19,307
Speaker 17: I think he's a real unsung hero, you know, and

1271
01:07:19,387 --> 01:07:22,547
Speaker 17: doesn't get the maybe the recognition or the credit that

1272
01:07:22,587 --> 01:07:27,027
Speaker 17: he deserves because he turns up week after week, does

1273
01:07:27,067 --> 01:07:29,747
Speaker 17: the hard yards, puts it in, hardly ever has a

1274
01:07:29,787 --> 01:07:35,067
Speaker 17: bad game, but he gets overshadowed by the more sort

1275
01:07:35,067 --> 01:07:38,347
Speaker 17: of dynamic players maybe, you know, Like I'd love to

1276
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Speaker 17: see him making All Black because I think he's good enough,

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Speaker 17: but I fear that he'll be one of those players

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01:07:45,187 --> 01:07:48,307
Speaker 17: that will never quite get there because there maybe other

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Speaker 17: players around them, but he should be, you know, I

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01:07:50,787 --> 01:07:53,787
Speaker 17: think the work that he does, and that's another reason

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01:07:53,827 --> 01:07:57,387
Speaker 17: why I'm looking forward to tonight and like a guy

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01:07:57,547 --> 01:07:59,507
Speaker 17: like him too. I think is the sort of guy

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01:08:00,427 --> 01:08:04,667
Speaker 17: that can chip away and give you that advantage and

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01:08:04,707 --> 01:08:08,747
Speaker 17: maybe tip it in your before you even realize that,

1285
01:08:08,787 --> 01:08:10,707
Speaker 17: you know, And at the end of the game it's like, gee,

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01:08:10,747 --> 01:08:11,947
Speaker 17: didn't Tom Christie play?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're right, he doesn't. He doesn't. You're right.

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01:08:14,867 --> 01:08:17,787
Speaker 3: He doesn't stand out in the same way that a

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01:08:17,787 --> 01:08:19,747
Speaker 3: lot of other loose forwards to particularly those in the

1290
01:08:19,747 --> 01:08:22,427
Speaker 3: seven jersey. For you know, you look at Duplaskarifi this

1291
01:08:22,507 --> 01:08:25,147
Speaker 3: year for the Hurricanes, he has stood out every game.

1292
01:08:25,467 --> 01:08:29,267
Speaker 3: But Tom Christie, year after year for the Crusaders and

1293
01:08:29,867 --> 01:08:35,667
Speaker 3: for Canterbury Tops the tackle count. He is just a relentless,

1294
01:08:36,707 --> 01:08:42,587
Speaker 3: insatiable tackler and that is so important, you know. And

1295
01:08:42,867 --> 01:08:46,067
Speaker 3: I think he and Ethan Blackadder have kind of shared

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01:08:46,067 --> 01:08:48,467
Speaker 3: that number seven jersey this year. I think Ethan black

1297
01:08:48,507 --> 01:08:50,107
Speaker 3: and they must be injured again is he? Because he

1298
01:08:50,107 --> 01:08:51,867
Speaker 3: hasn't played the last couple of weeks? So has I

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01:08:51,947 --> 01:08:54,627
Speaker 3: mean named tonight, didn't play, didn't play last week against

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01:08:54,667 --> 01:08:57,227
Speaker 3: the Highlanders. Man, that guy's had some bad luck with injuries.

1301
01:08:58,067 --> 01:09:01,227
Speaker 3: But yeah, Tom Christie, look, will he ever be an

1302
01:09:01,227 --> 01:09:03,627
Speaker 3: All Black? I think it probably would have happened by now.

1303
01:09:03,907 --> 01:09:07,387
Speaker 3: You wouldn't blame Tom Christy for go overseas and you know,

1304
01:09:07,427 --> 01:09:08,747
Speaker 3: having a crack over there at the back end of

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01:09:08,827 --> 01:09:10,707
Speaker 3: his career. If he thinks that the All Black store

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01:09:10,787 --> 01:09:12,707
Speaker 3: is closed to him, He's been in and around sort

1307
01:09:12,707 --> 01:09:15,947
Speaker 3: of all Blacks fifteen conversations and things like that. Look,

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01:09:16,187 --> 01:09:19,267
Speaker 3: I'm sure down there they'll tell you that he is

1309
01:09:19,547 --> 01:09:23,707
Speaker 3: absolutely invaluable inside that that team. He hasn't played quite

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01:09:23,747 --> 01:09:27,867
Speaker 3: as much this year as previous years. He you know,

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01:09:28,147 --> 01:09:31,627
Speaker 3: normally plays or is in the twenty three anyway every week.

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01:09:32,067 --> 01:09:35,507
Speaker 3: Just the five starting appearances, including tonight and one off

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Speaker 3: the bench. So far for Christy they've gone with the

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Speaker 3: likes of Cullen Grace and Ethan Blacketder Christian Leo Willie

1315
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Speaker 3: has been terrific at number eight. Phil, thanks for your

1316
01:09:45,187 --> 01:09:48,227
Speaker 3: car made always good to chat to you. A couple

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01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:50,947
Speaker 3: of texts through here. I don't like either team, says

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01:09:50,947 --> 01:09:53,707
Speaker 3: this one, but the Crusaders for the win. I'll have

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Speaker 3: it on the little screen, the wires on the big screen.

1320
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Speaker 3: Yet Warrior has played tonight of course as well, so

1321
01:09:58,147 --> 01:10:01,427
Speaker 3: once again our attention will be divided home games. I'm

1322
01:10:01,427 --> 01:10:04,147
Speaker 3: giving it to the Crusaders, says this one. The Crusaders

1323
01:10:04,147 --> 01:10:06,907
Speaker 3: will win, says this one with Jordan the keep and

1324
01:10:06,987 --> 01:10:09,987
Speaker 3: I'm a Blues fan. How about this, though, says this text,

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Speaker 3: one of them throws the game tonight to avoid the

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Speaker 3: prospect of finishing first on the ladder and having to

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01:10:17,987 --> 01:10:23,067
Speaker 3: play the Blues who qualify sixth. Now we probably need

1328
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Speaker 3: just to explain the playoffs as well. At some point

1329
01:10:27,347 --> 01:10:29,467
Speaker 3: it will all become clear. But it is a little

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01:10:29,507 --> 01:10:32,707
Speaker 3: bit it's a little bit confusing compared to previous years

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Speaker 3: when you've had the top eight and they go straight

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Speaker 3: into quarterfinal, semi finals, final, it doesn't work that way

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Speaker 3: this year. There are six who go through, and in

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Speaker 3: the first round of the playoffs, one place six, as

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Speaker 3: this text has correctly pointed out, two places five and

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01:10:47,787 --> 01:10:52,267
Speaker 3: three plays four. Now the three winners go through to

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01:10:52,307 --> 01:10:58,347
Speaker 3: the semis as well as the highest ranked loser. So

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Speaker 3: if you finish top, you basically get a second life.

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01:11:04,507 --> 01:11:06,787
Speaker 3: So if you finish top and you lose in the

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Speaker 3: first round of the finals, you are going to be

1341
01:11:10,827 --> 01:11:13,387
Speaker 3: the top ranked loser, aren't you, because you finish top.

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Speaker 3: So whoever finishes top gets a second life. Now when

1343
01:11:17,947 --> 01:11:20,227
Speaker 3: we're going into the semi finals, they drop down a place.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even to try to explain this to you.

1345
01:11:21,987 --> 01:11:23,587
Speaker 3: But if we just stick with the first week of

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Speaker 3: the of the finals. There is really no advantage to

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01:11:26,507 --> 01:11:30,227
Speaker 3: not finishing top. In fact, you get a huge advantage

1348
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Speaker 3: for finishing top in that you know, if you lose

1349
01:11:34,907 --> 01:11:38,027
Speaker 3: in the first week of the playoffs, you still go

1350
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Speaker 3: through to the second week. It is rather confusing, it's

1351
01:11:41,307 --> 01:11:43,947
Speaker 3: a bit different. I know there were other ways they

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01:11:43,987 --> 01:11:46,107
Speaker 3: could have done it. I would have preferred to have

1353
01:11:46,147 --> 01:11:48,147
Speaker 3: seen the way they do it in the A League,

1354
01:11:48,507 --> 01:11:50,907
Speaker 3: where teams one and two go straight to the semis.

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01:11:51,387 --> 01:11:53,787
Speaker 3: Three place six, four plays five for the right to

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Speaker 3: also join them in the Semis. That's a lot easier

1357
01:11:56,147 --> 01:11:58,987
Speaker 3: to explain and to understand. Super Rugby they have gone

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01:11:59,027 --> 01:12:02,587
Speaker 3: a different way. So yeah, that's a very long winded

1359
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Speaker 3: way of saying that, Actually there's there's no advantage to

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01:12:06,107 --> 01:12:08,747
Speaker 3: throwing a game tonight, not that I'd imagine the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: or the Crusaders would because it does not get them,

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Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't advantage them in any way at all.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, when the Crusaders play the Chiefs,

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01:12:17,747 --> 01:12:20,267
Speaker 3: can you imagine any of those forty six players who

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01:12:20,267 --> 01:12:22,827
Speaker 3: are going out there tonight thinking anything other than going

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Speaker 3: to win that game. I don't think so. I don't

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Speaker 3: think so. A minute thirty to go in the third

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Speaker 3: quarter in Indianapolis, the Cleveland Cavaliers lead the Indiana Pacers

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Speaker 3: ninety one seventy two, so they're keeping them at arm's length.

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Speaker 3: Looks like Cleveland are going to get a game back

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Speaker 3: in this semi final series and make it two one.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a break when we come back. It's across

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Speaker 3: the Tasman for Us with Adam Peacock Arristradian correspondent.

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Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

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01:12:53,627 --> 01:12:57,667
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vane and GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's most

1376
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Speaker 3: It'd be sixteen to two. Just before we move on

1378
01:13:01,547 --> 01:13:03,467
Speaker 3: from Super Rugby. The other game last night, the Reds

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01:13:03,507 --> 01:13:05,787
Speaker 3: went to Sydney and beat the Waratars twenty eight twenty one.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things. It really reinforces the Reds as

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01:13:09,707 --> 01:13:12,227
Speaker 3: a pretty compelling contender for the top six, if not

1382
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Speaker 3: the top three. They're currently fourth on thirty two points.

1383
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Speaker 3: The Brumbies have what I say, fourth on thirty two points. Yeah,

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01:13:20,747 --> 01:13:22,747
Speaker 3: the Brumbis are third on thirty four, so only a

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01:13:22,747 --> 01:13:25,667
Speaker 3: couple of points there. It also makes it pretty difficult

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Speaker 3: for the Waratars to make the six now, especially given

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Speaker 3: the fact that their last three games they host the Crusaders,

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01:13:31,907 --> 01:13:34,227
Speaker 3: are away to the Force and are away to the Blues.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough runner for the war Tars. So look,

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Speaker 3: I think we can probably count them out, as we

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01:13:39,867 --> 01:13:43,827
Speaker 3: probably can the Force, as we probably can the Highlanders,

1392
01:13:43,867 --> 01:13:47,027
Speaker 3: as we definitely can the Drewer. So it feels to

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01:13:47,027 --> 01:13:50,987
Speaker 3: me as though it's now the seven into six chiefs.

1394
01:13:50,987 --> 01:13:55,107
Speaker 3: Crusaders put them in there. Brumbi's Reds almost certainly are

1395
01:13:55,187 --> 01:13:58,227
Speaker 3: two of Blues Hurricanes. More onea Pacificer will make it,

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Speaker 3: and the Blues play more one at Pacificer next week.

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Speaker 3: And crucially for the other teams, the Blues have played

1398
01:14:04,427 --> 01:14:07,307
Speaker 3: one more game. They've had twelve games, only two to go.

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Speaker 3: If ma Wa Pacifica were to beat the Blues next

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Speaker 3: week at Albany, they would put themselves in a really

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01:14:14,387 --> 01:14:16,147
Speaker 3: good position to make the top six for the first

1402
01:14:16,147 --> 01:14:18,627
Speaker 3: time and at the same time make it very difficult

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01:14:18,627 --> 01:14:20,427
Speaker 3: for the Blues. Anyway, that's all ahead of us. Let's

1404
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Speaker 3: get across the Tasman Our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock is

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01:14:23,307 --> 01:14:26,787
Speaker 3: with us nice and fine in Sydney today mate.

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Speaker 16: Yes, even though it's rained all week, but yeah that's yeah,

1407
01:14:31,587 --> 01:14:34,827
Speaker 16: shades of Wellington this week here. But some come out

1408
01:14:34,827 --> 01:14:36,907
Speaker 16: for my golf and that's the main thing. That's all

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01:14:36,907 --> 01:14:37,427
Speaker 16: I care about.

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Speaker 5: Find.

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01:14:37,627 --> 01:14:41,147
Speaker 16: I don't know work working week, it's what happens on

1412
01:14:41,147 --> 01:14:41,507
Speaker 16: a Saturday.

1413
01:14:41,547 --> 01:14:44,267
Speaker 3: Are absolutely right and well before you can get on

1414
01:14:44,267 --> 01:14:45,667
Speaker 3: the course, let's have a chat about some of the

1415
01:14:46,067 --> 01:14:48,067
Speaker 3: sporting issues on your side of the task. And British

1416
01:14:48,067 --> 01:14:50,627
Speaker 3: and Irish line Squad has been named for the upcoming

1417
01:14:50,627 --> 01:14:52,747
Speaker 3: tour of Australia. It makes it feel a bit more real.

1418
01:14:53,027 --> 01:14:55,747
Speaker 3: How much anticipation is there around about this once every

1419
01:14:55,867 --> 01:14:57,187
Speaker 3: twelve years tour.

1420
01:14:57,547 --> 01:14:59,147
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I do a good job.

1421
01:14:59,147 --> 01:15:02,147
Speaker 16: Actually wrote the Australia in promoting and it's an all

1422
01:15:02,227 --> 01:15:06,267
Speaker 16: road lead to scenario. So every super Ruggy mass Love

1423
01:15:06,387 --> 01:15:09,267
Speaker 16: had the war Retard and the Red play here last night.

1424
01:15:09,307 --> 01:15:11,947
Speaker 16: It's oh yeah it's a big battle blah blah blah.

1425
01:15:12,027 --> 01:15:13,987
Speaker 16: And if someone plays well, it's oh he might be

1426
01:15:14,147 --> 01:15:16,467
Speaker 16: in contention now for the lines to dot dot dot.

1427
01:15:16,867 --> 01:15:19,907
Speaker 16: So yeah, it's being an obviously with the announcement over there,

1428
01:15:19,867 --> 01:15:21,627
Speaker 16: they had two thousand people rock up to their squad

1429
01:15:21,667 --> 01:15:25,187
Speaker 16: announcement in London this week, the British and Irish lines,

1430
01:15:25,187 --> 01:15:31,707
Speaker 16: which is incredible. So yeah, it's it's all already had

1431
01:15:31,787 --> 01:15:34,907
Speaker 16: momentum because that's just sold tickets. And you know, I

1432
01:15:34,987 --> 01:15:38,507
Speaker 16: love the tour factor. I'm sure it's not just fly

1433
01:15:38,627 --> 01:15:41,027
Speaker 16: and fly up the three Tests and build up to it,

1434
01:15:41,067 --> 01:15:43,307
Speaker 16: and that's that's when it's going to really get big

1435
01:15:43,347 --> 01:15:45,667
Speaker 16: when they actually get here in australiay're playing they're playing

1436
01:15:45,827 --> 01:15:48,547
Speaker 16: Argentina in a warm up over there in the Northern

1437
01:15:48,587 --> 01:15:50,187
Speaker 16: Hemisha are lines before they get here.

1438
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I totally agree it's the touring side of it.

1439
01:15:54,667 --> 01:15:56,867
Speaker 3: We just don't see it anymore. And you know there

1440
01:15:56,867 --> 01:16:00,147
Speaker 3: are reasons why obviously, but yeah, no, I along for

1441
01:16:00,187 --> 01:16:02,507
Speaker 3: the days of the traditional rugby to us. I also

1442
01:16:02,987 --> 01:16:05,627
Speaker 3: I've seen some foota Jeohn line as well. They clearly

1443
01:16:05,667 --> 01:16:07,987
Speaker 3: don't get told these players if they're in all rout

1444
01:16:08,427 --> 01:16:10,987
Speaker 3: because you see footage of them sitting on their couches

1445
01:16:11,027 --> 01:16:15,467
Speaker 3: watching it announced on TV and there are surprises the

1446
01:16:15,467 --> 01:16:17,187
Speaker 3: rest of us when they're named in the team.

1447
01:16:17,867 --> 01:16:21,507
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's like an American DRAFTNI, isn't it. I don't

1448
01:16:21,507 --> 01:16:24,867
Speaker 16: know where they're going oh, I'm going there's an interesting

1449
01:16:24,907 --> 01:16:28,107
Speaker 16: squad composition that the lines to come up with only

1450
01:16:28,187 --> 01:16:32,547
Speaker 16: two Welshmen, which kind of points towards what's happened to

1451
01:16:32,587 --> 01:16:35,867
Speaker 16: them in the last few years. But fifteen Irishmen, which

1452
01:16:36,107 --> 01:16:39,427
Speaker 16: that's where the balancing has gone, like they've taken Welshman

1453
01:16:39,507 --> 01:16:42,067
Speaker 16: out but obviously not considered good enough, and they put

1454
01:16:42,107 --> 01:16:43,867
Speaker 16: a stack of Irish in, which is fair enough given

1455
01:16:44,107 --> 01:16:47,547
Speaker 16: how they've gone as well. So it's predominantly Irish, actually

1456
01:16:47,587 --> 01:16:51,107
Speaker 16: fifteen Irish, thirteen English and a number of Scotsmen and

1457
01:16:51,107 --> 01:16:52,987
Speaker 16: then a couple of parole Welshmen who are going to

1458
01:16:52,987 --> 01:16:54,027
Speaker 16: have to make friends on the run over.

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Speaker 3: They are indeed vastly outnumbered, or at least they're in

1460
01:16:57,707 --> 01:17:00,667
Speaker 3: the UK where your man as Pasta Cole Glue has

1461
01:17:00,667 --> 01:17:03,547
Speaker 3: guide to Tottenham into the Europa League Final. This is

1462
01:17:03,267 --> 01:17:07,027
Speaker 3: the second tier European football final against Manchester. You got it. Actually,

1463
01:17:07,107 --> 01:17:09,907
Speaker 3: it's been a challenging Premier League season though for Spurs

1464
01:17:10,347 --> 01:17:13,707
Speaker 3: sixteenth in the table. They won't get relegated, that can't happen.

1465
01:17:13,747 --> 01:17:16,707
Speaker 3: But will making the Europa League Final be enough for

1466
01:17:16,787 --> 01:17:18,427
Speaker 3: ange Pasta Cooglu to keep his job.

1467
01:17:20,147 --> 01:17:23,067
Speaker 16: It's a question and it doesn't have an answer at

1468
01:17:23,107 --> 01:17:25,467
Speaker 16: the moment. I don't think I can't finish. They say

1469
01:17:25,507 --> 01:17:27,747
Speaker 16: either way, and I don't think anyone can unless you're

1470
01:17:27,747 --> 01:17:31,147
Speaker 16: maybe Daniel Levy and those in power at TOT the

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01:17:31,187 --> 01:17:33,587
Speaker 16: moster the actual football club. Daniel LEDs to being the

1472
01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:37,627
Speaker 16: chairman there and the ruthless chairman. So everyone's presumption is

1473
01:17:37,627 --> 01:17:39,467
Speaker 16: that because the league's been so poor, is going to

1474
01:17:39,507 --> 01:17:43,467
Speaker 16: go anyway but making Europa League Final and then possibly

1475
01:17:44,187 --> 01:17:47,827
Speaker 16: winning it. And they haven't won a trophy in any

1476
01:17:47,867 --> 01:17:50,347
Speaker 16: form since two thousand and eight, and I've only won

1477
01:17:50,427 --> 01:17:53,867
Speaker 16: three trophies in their history in Europe. It's a massive achievement.

1478
01:17:53,987 --> 01:17:56,507
Speaker 16: So yeah, all I lead to Bilbai actually think the

1479
01:17:56,587 --> 01:17:59,907
Speaker 16: matchup is a pretty good one for Frans Postera Cogla.

1480
01:17:59,987 --> 01:18:03,267
Speaker 16: If everyone's fid the last couple of weeks, I think

1481
01:18:03,267 --> 01:18:06,027
Speaker 16: they not run dead in the league. But it's been

1482
01:18:06,907 --> 01:18:08,587
Speaker 16: not The priorities put it that way because they know

1483
01:18:08,587 --> 01:18:10,947
Speaker 16: they can't get better at it. But it's awesome because

1484
01:18:10,947 --> 01:18:13,387
Speaker 16: this is the first Australian coach to get a side

1485
01:18:13,427 --> 01:18:16,947
Speaker 16: to European Final and in European football at the top

1486
01:18:16,987 --> 01:18:19,307
Speaker 16: shelf of football and Worlds you know for me, So

1487
01:18:19,747 --> 01:18:22,147
Speaker 16: it's a great achievement. I'm really happy for him over

1488
01:18:22,187 --> 01:18:24,227
Speaker 16: here apart from Manchester and of course of.

1489
01:18:24,187 --> 01:18:26,147
Speaker 3: Course yeah ak forward to that final in a couple

1490
01:18:26,187 --> 01:18:28,307
Speaker 3: of weeks. Now, this wasn't written down today to chat about,

1491
01:18:28,307 --> 01:18:29,707
Speaker 3: but I just want to get an overall view on

1492
01:18:29,747 --> 01:18:32,827
Speaker 3: the NRL. It feelsos though this is so even the

1493
01:18:32,867 --> 01:18:35,187
Speaker 3: Rabbit I beat the Broncos last night, the Titans beat

1494
01:18:35,227 --> 01:18:37,787
Speaker 3: the Knights, the Dolphins beat their eels on Thursday night.

1495
01:18:37,827 --> 01:18:41,947
Speaker 3: Those are probably three upsets and general terms, does this

1496
01:18:42,027 --> 01:18:44,867
Speaker 3: feel like a very even NRL this year?

1497
01:18:45,667 --> 01:18:47,667
Speaker 16: It's a joke if you're trying to tip. And more

1498
01:18:47,707 --> 01:18:49,787
Speaker 16: to the point, I'm in a little punters club where

1499
01:18:49,827 --> 01:18:52,107
Speaker 16: you have a little flutter each week and I've made

1500
01:18:52,107 --> 01:18:55,507
Speaker 16: the idiotic decision on my last two goes to include

1501
01:18:55,547 --> 01:18:58,587
Speaker 16: some NRL action. I'll kick my own backside if I

1502
01:18:58,667 --> 01:19:01,907
Speaker 16: do it for a third time, because you just come unstuck.

1503
01:19:02,067 --> 01:19:05,507
Speaker 16: So the unusual is the more likely at the moment

1504
01:19:05,787 --> 01:19:08,307
Speaker 16: in the NRA. Well, and case in point last night

1505
01:19:08,387 --> 01:19:11,587
Speaker 16: with South forteen mel down down on true playing Brisbane.

1506
01:19:11,667 --> 01:19:14,267
Speaker 16: Brisbane had a rocket put up them last week after

1507
01:19:14,267 --> 01:19:16,507
Speaker 16: getting beaten at home in magic round by Penrist and

1508
01:19:16,547 --> 01:19:21,147
Speaker 16: then what happens South come back and wins like it shouldn't.

1509
01:19:21,347 --> 01:19:24,187
Speaker 16: Doesn't make sense, but yeah, I think with Penris and

1510
01:19:24,227 --> 01:19:27,587
Speaker 16: that they're spread of talent now elsewhere and they'd come

1511
01:19:27,587 --> 01:19:30,587
Speaker 16: back to the pack definitely. This season Melbourne can't seem

1512
01:19:30,627 --> 01:19:33,547
Speaker 16: to get it together without Harry Grant. It feels like

1513
01:19:33,587 --> 01:19:35,627
Speaker 16: more than ever, if you lose one or two players,

1514
01:19:36,107 --> 01:19:38,387
Speaker 16: it's really going to hurt because the competition is so

1515
01:19:38,547 --> 01:19:41,587
Speaker 16: even so the healthy will win and the healthy will prevail,

1516
01:19:41,627 --> 01:19:42,987
Speaker 16: I think towards the end of the season.

1517
01:19:43,027 --> 01:19:44,627
Speaker 3: So see la trou much. We've got a full house

1518
01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:46,867
Speaker 3: last night. I've got to try a conversion or two,

1519
01:19:46,907 --> 01:19:48,027
Speaker 3: a penalty and a drop goal.

1520
01:19:48,827 --> 01:19:50,507
Speaker 16: The drop goal was a two pointer as well. It

1521
01:19:50,507 --> 01:19:53,427
Speaker 16: was from forty nine mete it out, So yeah, he got.

1522
01:19:53,347 --> 01:19:53,907
Speaker 10: The full boat.

1523
01:19:53,947 --> 01:19:56,947
Speaker 16: And that's ominous for Queensland and great for New South

1524
01:19:56,947 --> 01:20:00,627
Speaker 16: Wales because Origin the Origin teams start of Origon teams

1525
01:20:00,627 --> 01:20:03,307
Speaker 16: are selected next Sunday, so yeah, perfect timing.

1526
01:20:03,587 --> 01:20:06,547
Speaker 3: Just before you go story this week, formerst Writing got

1527
01:20:06,587 --> 01:20:09,947
Speaker 3: a Stuart McGill avoiding jail after being found guilty of

1528
01:20:09,987 --> 01:20:12,787
Speaker 3: taking part in the supply of cocaine yesterday he was

1529
01:20:12,787 --> 01:20:16,507
Speaker 3: given a twenty two month intensive corrections order and four

1530
01:20:16,547 --> 01:20:18,907
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety five hours of community service. So I

1531
01:20:18,907 --> 01:20:20,907
Speaker 3: guess this kind of at least puts a lid on

1532
01:20:20,907 --> 01:20:22,867
Speaker 3: what's been a pretty unfortunate chapter for him.

1533
01:20:23,667 --> 01:20:24,027
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1534
01:20:24,107 --> 01:20:26,307
Speaker 16: Well, hopefully he can sort himself out. And I mean

1535
01:20:26,307 --> 01:20:28,747
Speaker 16: he's got no wiggle room to not sorw himself out

1536
01:20:28,747 --> 01:20:31,307
Speaker 16: if he years off again. It's see her later and

1537
01:20:31,747 --> 01:20:33,787
Speaker 16: not chucked the key away, but put the key away

1538
01:20:33,787 --> 01:20:34,307
Speaker 16: for a while.

1539
01:20:34,387 --> 01:20:36,147
Speaker 10: So, yeahs such a sad story.

1540
01:20:36,147 --> 01:20:39,387
Speaker 16: It's sad date of affairs that this has happened to

1541
01:20:39,627 --> 01:20:42,147
Speaker 16: Stuart McGill, who's I've met him a couple of times,

1542
01:20:42,147 --> 01:20:44,587
Speaker 16: a really affable kind of guy. But what's happened in

1543
01:20:44,587 --> 01:20:46,667
Speaker 16: his private life. He's obviously got some demons there and

1544
01:20:47,307 --> 01:20:51,707
Speaker 16: has those demons about caught up with him. But yeah,

1545
01:20:51,787 --> 01:20:52,267
Speaker 16: really sad.

1546
01:20:52,307 --> 01:20:54,907
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, let's ope it's onwards and upwards for him

1547
01:20:54,947 --> 01:20:56,907
Speaker 3: from here. All right, we'll enjoy your golf mate, I

1548
01:20:56,947 --> 01:21:00,387
Speaker 3: know you will, regardless of what happens on the scorecard,

1549
01:21:00,427 --> 01:21:02,107
Speaker 3: and we'll stop be your next out.

1550
01:21:01,947 --> 01:21:04,187
Speaker 16: Of they Yeah, bad day, and the golf course is

1551
01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:07,787
Speaker 16: better than most places. Where a good things happening.

1552
01:21:07,867 --> 01:21:09,267
Speaker 10: So yeah, I'll still enjoy it.

1553
01:21:09,347 --> 01:21:12,307
Speaker 3: I'm sure you well, thanks mate. Adam Peacock are Australian

1554
01:21:12,307 --> 01:21:15,947
Speaker 3: correspondent around this time every Saturday afternoon, it's eight to

1555
01:21:15,987 --> 01:21:19,107
Speaker 3: two News Talks, the schoon.

1556
01:21:18,987 --> 01:21:21,747
Speaker 1: From the trag Fields and the Court on your homes

1557
01:21:21,907 --> 01:21:26,027
Speaker 1: Sport weekends for it with Jason vine Used talksb.

1558
01:21:26,187 --> 01:21:28,987
Speaker 3: Coming up four to two, the Indiana Pacers starting to

1559
01:21:29,547 --> 01:21:32,347
Speaker 3: claw their way back into this game. This is the

1560
01:21:32,707 --> 01:21:37,227
Speaker 3: third game in the semi final series between Cleveland and

1561
01:21:37,387 --> 01:21:40,907
Speaker 3: the Indiana Pacers. This is the Eastern Conference semifinals. Indiana

1562
01:21:40,987 --> 01:21:44,227
Speaker 3: lead the series two nil, Cleveland one oh four ninety

1563
01:21:44,507 --> 01:21:46,467
Speaker 3: ahead well eight and a half to go in the

1564
01:21:46,507 --> 01:21:50,267
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. So yeah, Cleveland looked like they had it

1565
01:21:50,387 --> 01:21:53,227
Speaker 3: all their own way, and they've just hit a three

1566
01:21:53,227 --> 01:21:55,187
Speaker 3: pointer as I say that, in fact, no, that's Indiana

1567
01:21:55,427 --> 01:21:59,427
Speaker 3: one four ninety three. Goodness me. So they're getting back

1568
01:21:59,427 --> 01:22:02,787
Speaker 3: into it. Donovan Mitchell was was playing pretty well and

1569
01:22:02,987 --> 01:22:06,227
Speaker 3: is for the Cavs twenty nine points, but he's on

1570
01:22:06,347 --> 01:22:09,227
Speaker 3: a personal fouls as well, which makes it difficult. We'll

1571
01:22:09,307 --> 01:22:11,747
Speaker 3: keep eyes on this for you as Indiana mounts a

1572
01:22:11,387 --> 01:22:14,027
Speaker 3: bit of a comeback now. They're now just eleven points

1573
01:22:14,347 --> 01:22:17,307
Speaker 3: behind with about six minutes to go in this match

1574
01:22:18,827 --> 01:22:21,307
Speaker 3: after two o'clock. Rugby again is our focus, but this

1575
01:22:21,387 --> 01:22:24,027
Speaker 3: time the British and Irish Lions. They've named their team

1576
01:22:24,067 --> 01:22:27,867
Speaker 3: to tour Australia in July and August. Exciting looking team

1577
01:22:27,947 --> 01:22:32,067
Speaker 3: with I guess a fairly predictable look to it. A

1578
01:22:32,067 --> 01:22:36,267
Speaker 3: couple of players you might consider bolters. James Burridge out

1579
01:22:36,307 --> 01:22:37,827
Speaker 3: of the BBC going to talk to us about that.

1580
01:22:37,947 --> 01:22:41,187
Speaker 3: We'll also hear from Taylor Johnson as the Black Ferns

1581
01:22:41,227 --> 01:22:45,627
Speaker 3: start their year later on this afternoon against Australia.

1582
01:22:46,307 --> 01:22:49,187
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1583
01:22:49,547 --> 01:22:52,907
Speaker 1: and after fields, it's all on Wee Jams Forward with

1584
01:22:53,147 --> 01:22:57,747
Speaker 1: Jason Vaine on your home of Sport, use Yorks.

1585
01:22:59,067 --> 01:23:01,587
Speaker 3: Hello there, welcome into Weekend Sport. We're here for another hour.

1586
01:23:01,787 --> 01:23:05,027
Speaker 3: I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonnell is producing the show. Oh,

1587
01:23:05,067 --> 01:23:07,387
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. He remains our number call.

1588
01:23:07,427 --> 01:23:11,067
Speaker 3: Any time anything that catches your ear an you think

1589
01:23:11,067 --> 01:23:14,107
Speaker 3: to yourself, I've got an opinion on that. That's what

1590
01:23:14,147 --> 01:23:16,787
Speaker 3: we're all about. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if

1591
01:23:16,827 --> 01:23:19,067
Speaker 3: you don't have time to call flick us a text.

1592
01:23:19,227 --> 01:23:22,947
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two James Burridge from the BBC standing

1593
01:23:22,987 --> 01:23:27,107
Speaker 3: by to unpack the British and Irish Lions squad named

1594
01:23:27,187 --> 01:23:32,387
Speaker 3: yesterday to tour Australia, thirty eight men, and he bolters

1595
01:23:32,627 --> 01:23:35,587
Speaker 3: any surprises, who were the unlucky players and what is

1596
01:23:36,787 --> 01:23:40,267
Speaker 3: generally accepted to be a good result for the British

1597
01:23:40,307 --> 01:23:42,027
Speaker 3: and Irish Lions. I think a year ago you probably

1598
01:23:42,067 --> 01:23:45,227
Speaker 3: say the Lions will come down here and just take

1599
01:23:45,227 --> 01:23:47,187
Speaker 3: it to the Aussie They may well still do that.

1600
01:23:48,747 --> 01:23:51,187
Speaker 3: James Barridge on that Nick Becker's.

1601
01:23:50,907 --> 01:23:51,307
Speaker 2: On the show.

1602
01:23:51,387 --> 01:23:55,507
Speaker 3: Auckland FC CEO he must have really good powers of negotiation.

1603
01:23:55,947 --> 01:23:59,667
Speaker 3: He has convinced APL who run the A League that

1604
01:23:59,747 --> 01:24:03,387
Speaker 3: if Auckland FC make the Grand Final that it can

1605
01:24:03,387 --> 01:24:08,507
Speaker 3: be held at go Media Stadium rather than Park, which has,

1606
01:24:09,267 --> 01:24:12,547
Speaker 3: by my reckoning anyway, at least fifteen thousand more seats.

1607
01:24:13,347 --> 01:24:16,427
Speaker 3: APL who run the A League take all the ticket

1608
01:24:16,427 --> 01:24:20,147
Speaker 3: revenue from the finals matches, so I'm sure that they

1609
01:24:20,147 --> 01:24:23,147
Speaker 3: were all in an Eden Park saying hey, forty five thousand,

1610
01:24:23,227 --> 01:24:25,627
Speaker 3: we'll take those tickets. You're going to only get twenty

1611
01:24:25,667 --> 01:24:29,027
Speaker 3: seven twenty eight to Go Media, but yesterday the announcement

1612
01:24:29,027 --> 01:24:32,147
Speaker 3: came that it would be Go Media Stadium if Auckland

1613
01:24:32,227 --> 01:24:34,507
Speaker 3: FC met the Grand Finals. How did Nick Becker do this?

1614
01:24:35,227 --> 01:24:37,987
Speaker 3: He's on the show and Taylor Johnson as well. Ahead

1615
01:24:37,987 --> 01:24:40,227
Speaker 3: of the Black Ferns first game of twenty twenty five.

1616
01:24:40,507 --> 01:24:42,347
Speaker 3: What a big year World Cup. At the end of it,

1617
01:24:42,467 --> 01:24:45,707
Speaker 3: they take on Australia in Newcastle this afternoon. She's going

1618
01:24:45,747 --> 01:24:48,467
Speaker 3: to unpack that one for us. As I say, your

1619
01:24:48,507 --> 01:24:51,787
Speaker 3: cause and correspondence continue to be welcome on the show.

1620
01:24:51,827 --> 01:24:54,667
Speaker 3: But as we tick past eight pass too, as we

1621
01:24:54,707 --> 01:24:57,507
Speaker 3: always do it around about this time on weekend support.

1622
01:24:57,547 --> 01:24:59,507
Speaker 3: It as time to get you across some of the

1623
01:24:59,507 --> 01:25:02,587
Speaker 3: things that you might have missed over the last little while.

1624
01:25:03,907 --> 01:25:05,947
Speaker 3: In case you missed it, as the name of the feature.

1625
01:25:05,987 --> 01:25:10,867
Speaker 3: Starting in the A League, Western United have beaten Adelaide

1626
01:25:11,547 --> 01:25:15,147
Speaker 3: in their elimination final last night to book the spot

1627
01:25:15,467 --> 01:25:16,987
Speaker 3: in the A League semi finals.

1628
01:25:16,987 --> 01:25:18,947
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be pretty anymore, it just has

1629
01:25:18,947 --> 01:25:19,667
Speaker 1: to be effective.

1630
01:25:21,267 --> 01:25:25,227
Speaker 3: Date Russell wasn't expecting to play as big a part.

1631
01:25:27,227 --> 01:25:33,987
Speaker 18: The first ever home final at Iron Barkfields brings what

1632
01:25:34,147 --> 01:25:35,627
Speaker 18: Western United had hoped for.

1633
01:25:36,107 --> 01:25:39,147
Speaker 3: A Western United going through to take on Melbourne City

1634
01:25:39,147 --> 01:25:41,067
Speaker 3: home and away over the next two weekends for the

1635
01:25:41,147 --> 01:25:43,467
Speaker 3: right to play in the Grand Final Super Rugby. The

1636
01:25:43,467 --> 01:25:46,107
Speaker 3: Blues made short work of the Drewer last night.

1637
01:25:46,307 --> 01:25:51,627
Speaker 19: Barrett Allen to midfield, set Tutu out to Tylli, ty

1638
01:25:51,707 --> 01:25:54,027
Speaker 19: Elli out to right wing.

1639
01:25:53,827 --> 01:25:56,387
Speaker 3: Our Cultborbs coltborbs Is.

1640
01:25:56,347 --> 01:26:00,267
Speaker 19: Gonna tron around behind the goal posts and got it down.

1641
01:26:00,587 --> 01:26:04,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty four to five routes in suber last night,

1642
01:26:04,507 --> 01:26:07,507
Speaker 3: and the Fiji and drew Up only got their try

1643
01:26:07,747 --> 01:26:10,427
Speaker 3: right at the end. The Reds meantime left at late

1644
01:26:11,027 --> 01:26:13,027
Speaker 3: to snatch a win from the Warr's us.

1645
01:26:12,907 --> 01:26:14,747
Speaker 2: An to go wide right. They had to go quick.

1646
01:26:15,187 --> 01:26:19,307
Speaker 18: Dad Gonna kicks it in behind Annis, it gives Chase

1647
01:26:19,587 --> 01:26:21,147
Speaker 18: Anison gets.

1648
01:26:20,867 --> 01:26:24,987
Speaker 3: The tents and in and quinzone.

1649
01:26:25,787 --> 01:26:27,507
Speaker 10: Generally probably five.

1650
01:26:27,627 --> 01:26:30,707
Speaker 3: To go and ended up winning at twenty eight points

1651
01:26:30,707 --> 01:26:33,747
Speaker 3: to twenty one to the NRL. The Gold Coast Titans

1652
01:26:34,387 --> 01:26:38,587
Speaker 3: overcoming a burg deficit to shock the Knights Lake Virus.

1653
01:26:38,307 --> 01:26:42,867
Speaker 18: Rockmha enterteen Oer again prims it three or two and

1654
01:26:42,987 --> 01:26:46,467
Speaker 18: over that Caperera Rabers prims it down.

1655
01:26:46,907 --> 01:26:48,307
Speaker 3: He pants it down.

1656
01:26:49,387 --> 01:26:55,507
Speaker 19: The combination between Caperera and prims. It gives the Gold Coast.

1657
01:26:55,467 --> 01:26:58,107
Speaker 3: The lead and they won at twenty four to twenty.

1658
01:26:58,267 --> 01:27:03,107
Speaker 3: They were behind by twenty nil at one stage twenty

1659
01:27:03,107 --> 01:27:06,067
Speaker 3: four ounced points. I love the NRL this year. A

1660
01:27:06,387 --> 01:27:09,587
Speaker 3: monster of a boot from Latrell Mitchell. Meantime has se

1661
01:27:09,627 --> 01:27:11,787
Speaker 3: kill the rabbitos that come from behind when over the

1662
01:27:11,787 --> 01:27:13,387
Speaker 3: Broncos and they've made it.

1663
01:27:13,267 --> 01:27:19,507
Speaker 19: A half way Mitchell Mitchell for forty eight too quite two.

1664
01:27:22,867 --> 01:27:31,467
Speaker 16: Latroto Mitchell at.

1665
01:27:32,187 --> 01:27:34,947
Speaker 2: It again when it's down to the line.

1666
01:27:35,267 --> 01:27:39,227
Speaker 1: You made a call on eighty ten eighty Weekend Forth

1667
01:27:39,387 --> 01:27:41,387
Speaker 1: with Jason Payne, News Talks MB.

1668
01:27:42,027 --> 01:27:43,987
Speaker 3: Just on the NRL The Warriors of course or in action.

1669
01:27:44,147 --> 01:27:48,027
Speaker 3: Later on tonight seven point thirty at Winds Stadium in Woollongong,

1670
01:27:48,427 --> 01:27:51,267
Speaker 3: they take on Saint George Ilawara, looking to win four

1671
01:27:51,347 --> 01:27:54,427
Speaker 3: straight NRL matches for the first time since the back

1672
01:27:54,547 --> 01:27:57,547
Speaker 3: end of twenty twenty three. We will wrap that for

1673
01:27:57,707 --> 01:28:02,827
Speaker 3: you tomorrow. Twelve minutes past to Northampton's twenty year old

1674
01:28:02,947 --> 01:28:07,347
Speaker 3: loose forward Henry Pollock is the bolt in the British

1675
01:28:07,387 --> 01:28:11,427
Speaker 3: and Irish Lions touring squad for Australia in July and August.

1676
01:28:12,027 --> 01:28:13,627
Speaker 2: Chains those extra few meters.

1677
01:28:13,427 --> 01:28:17,187
Speaker 18: Taller hit that line tarfetly, Henry targgains.

1678
01:28:21,147 --> 01:28:23,547
Speaker 2: That burgeoning reputtation.

1679
01:28:23,067 --> 01:28:24,107
Speaker 15: Grows and grows.

1680
01:28:24,227 --> 01:28:27,267
Speaker 2: There's the celebration for the lester tis Well.

1681
01:28:27,347 --> 01:28:29,907
Speaker 18: If you're wondering what all the talk is about, just

1682
01:28:30,027 --> 01:28:32,507
Speaker 18: sit back and look and there's a brilliant.

1683
01:28:32,427 --> 01:28:33,227
Speaker 2: Brilliant line.

1684
01:28:33,587 --> 01:28:36,187
Speaker 18: He packed himself to beat Prendergast on the out side.

1685
01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:38,987
Speaker 18: Trending guns be disafinedhim with a tag of leopard. But

1686
01:28:39,827 --> 01:28:42,387
Speaker 18: this guy has pays, he has power and he has

1687
01:28:42,467 --> 01:28:45,067
Speaker 18: the confidence to bruck his ears back and go for it.

1688
01:28:45,467 --> 01:28:46,627
Speaker 3: Watch the response here.

1689
01:28:47,547 --> 01:28:48,227
Speaker 2: Twenty years of.

1690
01:28:48,267 --> 01:28:51,707
Speaker 3: Age, Yeah, he only turned twenty in January. Henry Pollock

1691
01:28:51,747 --> 01:28:55,387
Speaker 3: and had played only one Premiership game before the start

1692
01:28:55,667 --> 01:28:59,227
Speaker 3: of the season. Let's bring in the BBC's James Burridge

1693
01:28:59,307 --> 01:29:02,027
Speaker 3: to talk more about this. Let's start with Henry Pollock,

1694
01:29:02,067 --> 01:29:03,547
Speaker 3: shall we. James and I. You've spent a bit of

1695
01:29:03,587 --> 01:29:06,627
Speaker 3: time with him today doing some media after his in

1696
01:29:06,707 --> 01:29:10,467
Speaker 3: the squad was a selection a surprise. Is he a

1697
01:29:10,587 --> 01:29:13,307
Speaker 3: balter in the true sense of that word.

1698
01:29:15,267 --> 01:29:18,267
Speaker 6: In a funny sort of way, Jason, I think we

1699
01:29:18,387 --> 01:29:22,027
Speaker 6: were expecting it. Yes, he's a bolster in the traditional sense.

1700
01:29:22,067 --> 01:29:25,347
Speaker 6: He's someone who only made his debut for his club

1701
01:29:25,427 --> 01:29:27,587
Speaker 6: last year. This time last year he was playing in

1702
01:29:27,627 --> 01:29:30,827
Speaker 6: the under twenties. He's played thirty minutes of Test rugby,

1703
01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:35,027
Speaker 6: played outstanding the well for Northampton in the Championshi Cup

1704
01:29:35,147 --> 01:29:38,347
Speaker 6: last week. And the thing about Henry is that he

1705
01:29:38,547 --> 01:29:41,427
Speaker 6: talks a very good game, but he can walk it

1706
01:29:41,467 --> 01:29:43,947
Speaker 6: as well. Like when he made his Test debut for England,

1707
01:29:44,267 --> 01:29:46,067
Speaker 6: he went to Tommy Freeman and went, I'm going to

1708
01:29:46,067 --> 01:29:47,747
Speaker 6: score a try my debut and I'm going to score

1709
01:29:47,787 --> 01:29:49,787
Speaker 6: it on the wing. And that's exactly what he did.

1710
01:29:51,347 --> 01:29:54,587
Speaker 6: And whenever you watch Henry talk about it, you watch

1711
01:29:55,387 --> 01:29:57,627
Speaker 6: some of the footage which is really insightful with him

1712
01:29:58,347 --> 01:30:02,707
Speaker 6: the way he communicates. He's not backwards about coming forwards.

1713
01:30:03,547 --> 01:30:06,787
Speaker 6: He believes in his ability to change get as to

1714
01:30:07,147 --> 01:30:10,347
Speaker 6: dictate games, and he backs it up every time that

1715
01:30:10,907 --> 01:30:13,507
Speaker 6: it would be different if he talks a great game

1716
01:30:13,987 --> 01:30:16,907
Speaker 6: and then got sent off or missed the tackles or

1717
01:30:16,987 --> 01:30:19,547
Speaker 6: dropped a ball or gave away a penalty. And he

1718
01:30:19,667 --> 01:30:22,507
Speaker 6: hasn't really done that. He's backed it up game after game.

1719
01:30:22,547 --> 01:30:24,267
Speaker 6: He's got better. So at the moment he's on an

1720
01:30:24,387 --> 01:30:29,587
Speaker 6: upward trajectory. And Andy Farrell couldn't not pick him. So, yes,

1721
01:30:29,627 --> 01:30:31,587
Speaker 6: he is a bolter, but he's not because he's been

1722
01:30:31,587 --> 01:30:32,547
Speaker 6: getting better every week.

1723
01:30:32,587 --> 01:30:34,587
Speaker 3: If you see what I mean, I know exactly what

1724
01:30:34,707 --> 01:30:38,227
Speaker 3: you mean. Yeah, sometimes people just present an irresistible case.

1725
01:30:38,707 --> 01:30:41,427
Speaker 3: What's he like is he is confident off the grass

1726
01:30:41,467 --> 01:30:42,747
Speaker 3: as he clearly is on it.

1727
01:30:44,427 --> 01:30:49,387
Speaker 6: He is confident. He's a great lad. He's very polite. Yes,

1728
01:30:49,467 --> 01:30:52,907
Speaker 6: he's a bit brash. Yes, he's a bit loud. Some

1729
01:30:53,067 --> 01:30:58,667
Speaker 6: of its front, frankly. Part of it is this insatiable

1730
01:30:58,787 --> 01:31:01,707
Speaker 6: character that he has. He comes from a great family

1731
01:31:02,667 --> 01:31:05,347
Speaker 6: and you know, sport is in their blood. His mom

1732
01:31:05,827 --> 01:31:09,227
Speaker 6: is a massive triathlete, and when he was a kid,

1733
01:31:09,867 --> 01:31:13,547
Speaker 6: she would be getting up him, his sisters, his brother

1734
01:31:13,667 --> 01:31:17,867
Speaker 6: angus at ridiculous times in the morning to do you know,

1735
01:31:17,987 --> 01:31:21,267
Speaker 6: Paul sprints at five six am in the morning, and

1736
01:31:21,587 --> 01:31:23,107
Speaker 6: they'd be doing that three or four times a week

1737
01:31:23,147 --> 01:31:25,107
Speaker 6: before they did anything else, before they went to school,

1738
01:31:25,147 --> 01:31:27,147
Speaker 6: before they went and did rugby training. You know, his

1739
01:31:27,947 --> 01:31:30,747
Speaker 6: brother's a golfer, a very good golfer. His sister's a sprinter,

1740
01:31:31,507 --> 01:31:35,267
Speaker 6: for be the sprinter and Pollock's base level of fitness

1741
01:31:35,347 --> 01:31:37,987
Speaker 6: as a result of all of this is unbelievably high

1742
01:31:38,107 --> 01:31:41,067
Speaker 6: because of the training he did with his his brother,

1743
01:31:41,187 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 6: his bitter and his mum.

1744
01:31:42,787 --> 01:31:43,467
Speaker 7: That's why if you.

1745
01:31:43,467 --> 01:31:46,467
Speaker 6: Look at the way he scores, his tried, his athleticism,

1746
01:31:46,867 --> 01:31:51,267
Speaker 6: his fitness is ridiculous because of his because of.

1747
01:31:51,347 --> 01:31:52,267
Speaker 17: What he did as a kid.

1748
01:31:52,867 --> 01:31:54,507
Speaker 6: There's a lesson here, I think is that if you

1749
01:31:54,627 --> 01:31:58,107
Speaker 6: want your kids to be really fighting fit and have

1750
01:31:58,227 --> 01:32:01,147
Speaker 6: a really good base level of fitness and be a triathlete,

1751
01:32:01,787 --> 01:32:03,227
Speaker 6: because that's what Henry was.

1752
01:32:04,107 --> 01:32:05,747
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Well, I want to talk about some of the

1753
01:32:05,787 --> 01:32:08,347
Speaker 3: others run this thirty eight man squad in the moment,

1754
01:32:08,427 --> 01:32:11,107
Speaker 3: but you often look at those who haven't made it,

1755
01:32:11,667 --> 01:32:13,467
Speaker 3: who are the unluckiest players.

1756
01:32:15,067 --> 01:32:18,187
Speaker 6: I think Darcy Graham, the Scotland wing, will probably feel

1757
01:32:19,267 --> 01:32:24,267
Speaker 6: a bit hard done by mack Hanson, has been selected.

1758
01:32:25,347 --> 01:32:28,227
Speaker 6: Great player mack Hanson, obviously you guys know them well

1759
01:32:28,707 --> 01:32:33,307
Speaker 6: down under. But Darcy Graham, he does have The Lions

1760
01:32:33,347 --> 01:32:37,787
Speaker 6: don't have bags of insatiable pace if you know what

1761
01:32:37,867 --> 01:32:41,787
Speaker 6: I mean. They don't have ludicrous pace in their back three.

1762
01:32:41,867 --> 01:32:44,947
Speaker 6: They I mean Tommy Freeman and Vander Murder, James Layer,

1763
01:32:44,947 --> 01:32:48,707
Speaker 6: they're all quick. Darcy Graham, he's agile, quick, he's got

1764
01:32:48,787 --> 01:32:53,387
Speaker 6: incredible footwork. I think are the great wingers like Jason

1765
01:32:53,427 --> 01:32:56,507
Speaker 6: Robinson for the lines down the years, not comparing him

1766
01:32:56,507 --> 01:32:58,747
Speaker 6: with Darcy Greham. But Darcy Greham will feel hard done

1767
01:32:58,787 --> 01:33:02,707
Speaker 6: by that he hasn't been selected. I think maybe you

1768
01:33:02,787 --> 01:33:06,747
Speaker 6: know George Ford potentially, you know he's to win one

1769
01:33:06,787 --> 01:33:08,907
Speaker 6: hundred caps for England, but he's never gone on a

1770
01:33:09,027 --> 01:33:12,867
Speaker 6: lined tour and they've gone with Finn Smith, Finn Russell

1771
01:33:12,947 --> 01:33:15,827
Speaker 6: and Marcus Smith as that potential third ten straight fifteen.

1772
01:33:15,987 --> 01:33:19,667
Speaker 6: So I suppose George Fall will be frustrated up there.

1773
01:33:19,867 --> 01:33:22,347
Speaker 6: Jack Willis potentially, I mean he's playing in rugby in

1774
01:33:22,387 --> 01:33:25,147
Speaker 6: France to lose. I think it was always going to

1775
01:33:25,187 --> 01:33:28,227
Speaker 6: be difficult because there's so much competition in that back row.

1776
01:33:28,667 --> 01:33:30,867
Speaker 6: But I suppose off the top of my head I

1777
01:33:31,107 --> 01:33:34,107
Speaker 6: would go Darty Grahm. And the point is we're still

1778
01:33:34,187 --> 01:33:36,187
Speaker 6: quite early in the process. It was still six weeks

1779
01:33:36,227 --> 01:33:38,427
Speaker 6: away from that first game, or so I think it is,

1780
01:33:38,507 --> 01:33:41,707
Speaker 6: so there's still a chance for this tour to change,

1781
01:33:41,827 --> 01:33:44,187
Speaker 6: for the composition of the squad to change. I think

1782
01:33:44,227 --> 01:33:47,507
Speaker 6: the average is five or six players get injured anyway,

1783
01:33:47,907 --> 01:33:50,867
Speaker 6: So even though this tour party's been announced by Farrell.

1784
01:33:51,307 --> 01:33:54,427
Speaker 6: Come that first Test against Argentina and Dublin and then

1785
01:33:54,467 --> 01:33:57,587
Speaker 6: the trip down under to Australia, this squad could look

1786
01:33:57,667 --> 01:33:58,147
Speaker 6: very different.

1787
01:33:59,507 --> 01:34:02,107
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Litt Zooman. On the fly House, you mentioned

1788
01:34:02,187 --> 01:34:04,947
Speaker 3: Duffin Smith and Mircus Smith out of England and Scotland.

1789
01:34:05,027 --> 01:34:07,747
Speaker 3: Fin Russell, do you like that mix of teams?

1790
01:34:09,627 --> 01:34:12,547
Speaker 6: I mean he was spoiled for choice in a way. Farrell.

1791
01:34:12,627 --> 01:34:14,347
Speaker 6: I still think his son could play a part in

1792
01:34:14,427 --> 01:34:14,867
Speaker 6: this as well.

1793
01:34:14,907 --> 01:34:15,187
Speaker 7: Owen.

1794
01:34:15,387 --> 01:34:19,147
Speaker 6: I mean he's not He hasn't played the game time yet.

1795
01:34:19,827 --> 01:34:23,027
Speaker 6: For me, I think Finn Smith is the starting ten.

1796
01:34:23,467 --> 01:34:27,307
Speaker 6: I think he's proven, he's got, he is in ridiculous form,

1797
01:34:27,547 --> 01:34:32,507
Speaker 6: He's confident and again I talk about upwards trajectory, I

1798
01:34:32,547 --> 01:34:34,827
Speaker 6: think he's on that right now. I don't think Finn

1799
01:34:34,867 --> 01:34:38,427
Speaker 6: Russell had the best six nations. He hasn't been tearing

1800
01:34:38,507 --> 01:34:41,947
Speaker 6: it for Bath. I think the next month will be

1801
01:34:42,027 --> 01:34:44,467
Speaker 6: fascinating because Bath will be going for a Premiership title

1802
01:34:45,067 --> 01:34:48,107
Speaker 6: and Finn Smillampton Sayings are going for a European Champions

1803
01:34:48,147 --> 01:34:51,107
Speaker 6: Cup title. How will those two individuals fare over the

1804
01:34:51,227 --> 01:34:55,187
Speaker 6: next month. Russell's obviously got stock haven't he He's an

1805
01:34:55,347 --> 01:35:00,947
Speaker 6: incredible player, extremely gifted. But I think form is really

1806
01:35:01,027 --> 01:35:04,507
Speaker 6: fascinating and it's also interering how he'll do whichever nine

1807
01:35:04,587 --> 01:35:06,067
Speaker 6: they pick. Do they go for Mitchell, do they go

1808
01:35:06,147 --> 01:35:10,587
Speaker 6: for Park? That partnership is key, and who's going to

1809
01:35:10,627 --> 01:35:14,107
Speaker 6: be the twelve? The choice of twelve will be fascinating.

1810
01:35:14,147 --> 01:35:16,107
Speaker 6: Will they go to a plot two? Will they go

1811
01:35:16,227 --> 01:35:20,267
Speaker 6: Bundy Aki? All these partnerships, because you know, there's a

1812
01:35:20,307 --> 01:35:22,667
Speaker 6: few games, it almost feels a bit like a preseason tour.

1813
01:35:22,707 --> 01:35:24,507
Speaker 6: Before they played the first test, I played six or

1814
01:35:24,547 --> 01:35:28,027
Speaker 6: seven tests. How they gel with each other at nine,

1815
01:35:28,547 --> 01:35:31,467
Speaker 6: ten and twelve I think will be really interesting.

1816
01:35:31,867 --> 01:35:33,947
Speaker 3: He's just even listening to your talk about those players

1817
01:35:33,987 --> 01:35:36,507
Speaker 3: and looking at this, at this list of the riches

1818
01:35:36,707 --> 01:35:40,347
Speaker 3: at the hit the disposal of the coaching staff. But

1819
01:35:40,427 --> 01:35:42,547
Speaker 3: I do not and you will have too. Just the

1820
01:35:42,627 --> 01:35:45,787
Speaker 3: two Welsh players in the thirty eight that is a

1821
01:35:45,867 --> 01:35:48,547
Speaker 3: low for a Lions tour in the modern era. That

1822
01:35:48,747 --> 01:35:51,307
Speaker 3: must sting. And I guess it's a sign of the

1823
01:35:51,387 --> 01:35:53,947
Speaker 3: times at the moment, but that must sting a rugby

1824
01:35:54,027 --> 01:35:55,907
Speaker 3: mad nation like Wales, does it?

1825
01:35:56,947 --> 01:35:57,667
Speaker 10: You bet it does.

1826
01:35:57,827 --> 01:36:01,227
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really baneful to see. I think even in

1827
01:36:01,347 --> 01:36:04,227
Speaker 6: recent times you know that you have the Jamie Robertson

1828
01:36:04,427 --> 01:36:07,667
Speaker 6: of the Squorld, Mike Fellers that you know, the George

1829
01:36:07,787 --> 01:36:10,787
Speaker 6: North via the Battle the North have of Israel fellow.

1830
01:36:10,907 --> 01:36:14,987
Speaker 6: I mean for recent lines fans, that was box office.

1831
01:36:15,667 --> 01:36:19,907
Speaker 6: And there's two players going, and if we're honest, Thomas

1832
01:36:19,947 --> 01:36:23,587
Speaker 6: Williams is probably at this stage third in the pecking order.

1833
01:36:23,987 --> 01:36:26,187
Speaker 6: Might break through, but you don't know, and injuries might

1834
01:36:26,227 --> 01:36:29,147
Speaker 6: play a part in this. Jack Morgan was simply outstanding

1835
01:36:29,187 --> 01:36:32,547
Speaker 6: in the Six Nations for Wells with a losing team,

1836
01:36:33,107 --> 01:36:35,587
Speaker 6: he played brilliantly. He deserves to be on that tour,

1837
01:36:35,707 --> 01:36:38,507
Speaker 6: so as Williams. He's shown incredible injection of pace and

1838
01:36:38,547 --> 01:36:42,787
Speaker 6: creativity and a girl at scrum half. But yeah, it's painful,

1839
01:36:42,827 --> 01:36:47,107
Speaker 6: isn't it. I mean Falatoo didn't make the cuts. He

1840
01:36:47,267 --> 01:36:49,507
Speaker 6: did actually play pretty well during the Six Nations. But

1841
01:36:50,147 --> 01:36:52,627
Speaker 6: you know, it's interesting that Farrell hasn't got too many

1842
01:36:52,747 --> 01:36:55,387
Speaker 6: number eight at his dispose of Kaylin Doris is injured

1843
01:36:55,467 --> 01:36:59,187
Speaker 6: out of the tour altogether. But yeah, it's sad that

1844
01:36:59,227 --> 01:37:01,267
Speaker 6: there's any two Welsh players going. There's no other word

1845
01:37:01,347 --> 01:37:01,547
Speaker 6: for it.

1846
01:37:01,667 --> 01:37:01,867
Speaker 7: Really.

1847
01:37:02,427 --> 01:37:04,227
Speaker 3: You mentioned Kyler Doris there. I guess he would have

1848
01:37:04,227 --> 01:37:07,267
Speaker 3: been a captaincy candidate as well had he been to tour.

1849
01:37:07,707 --> 01:37:10,547
Speaker 3: Maro Toji is the skipper. Is that a popular choice?

1850
01:37:11,827 --> 01:37:14,547
Speaker 6: I think it was. It wasn't it was the only choice.

1851
01:37:14,547 --> 01:37:18,867
Speaker 6: I think it was just a blatantly obvious choice. Staring

1852
01:37:18,987 --> 01:37:21,707
Speaker 6: Andy Farrell in the face. I think he probably would

1853
01:37:21,707 --> 01:37:25,427
Speaker 6: have gone with He probably would have gone with Toji regardless.

1854
01:37:25,507 --> 01:37:28,667
Speaker 6: I think Toji's got a lot of experienced third lines

1855
01:37:28,707 --> 01:37:33,507
Speaker 6: to captain for his club, captain for his country, and

1856
01:37:33,707 --> 01:37:36,187
Speaker 6: he's got the respects in the backing, not just of

1857
01:37:36,267 --> 01:37:38,987
Speaker 6: the England players but those others around him. And I

1858
01:37:39,027 --> 01:37:42,187
Speaker 6: think he's really he's matured. I think he admitted to

1859
01:37:42,267 --> 01:37:46,867
Speaker 6: himself that the Lioness announcement yesterday's less naive and he's

1860
01:37:46,907 --> 01:37:50,427
Speaker 6: seen it all now, Maritoji and he's this there's a

1861
01:37:50,587 --> 01:37:52,747
Speaker 6: real sense of calmness about a Toji. One thing he

1862
01:37:52,907 --> 01:37:55,267
Speaker 6: does do is he will play the full eighty minutes.

1863
01:37:55,587 --> 01:38:01,267
Speaker 6: There's always been this fascinating kind of reflection on players,

1864
01:38:01,307 --> 01:38:03,347
Speaker 6: do they actually last eighteen minutes? England have had this

1865
01:38:03,467 --> 01:38:06,267
Speaker 6: problem that one of the reasons Jamie George actually lost

1866
01:38:06,387 --> 01:38:08,827
Speaker 6: England captain to you because he isn't actually play the

1867
01:38:08,867 --> 01:38:11,307
Speaker 6: full eighty minute and it's often in those last ten

1868
01:38:11,907 --> 01:38:14,627
Speaker 6: that you need that leadership, you need that understanding. And

1869
01:38:14,747 --> 01:38:18,787
Speaker 6: now Maritose is also very good communicated with the referees

1870
01:38:19,187 --> 01:38:21,427
Speaker 6: and we've seen in test matches down the years how

1871
01:38:22,227 --> 01:38:24,027
Speaker 6: how fundamental that is.

1872
01:38:25,227 --> 01:38:27,547
Speaker 3: Well, the squad's been named. We look forward to having

1873
01:38:27,747 --> 01:38:29,587
Speaker 3: the British and Irish lines down in our part of

1874
01:38:29,587 --> 01:38:32,907
Speaker 3: the world, just across the Tasman. What would the general

1875
01:38:33,027 --> 01:38:37,387
Speaker 3: expectations be for the British and Irish Lions in Australia?

1876
01:38:37,507 --> 01:38:40,867
Speaker 3: James would a three nil series will be expected.

1877
01:38:42,347 --> 01:38:46,827
Speaker 6: Well, a year ago I think many people perceive wisdom was, yeah,

1878
01:38:46,947 --> 01:38:49,907
Speaker 6: that will be the expectation. But obviously what Joe Schmidt's

1879
01:38:49,987 --> 01:38:53,227
Speaker 6: now been able to produce in that last twelve months

1880
01:38:53,267 --> 01:38:56,387
Speaker 6: has been fascinating to watch, great to see because you

1881
01:38:56,507 --> 01:39:00,587
Speaker 6: want to see a really strong performing Wallaby's team, don't you.

1882
01:39:01,107 --> 01:39:02,587
Speaker 6: You want to be able to what they did against

1883
01:39:02,627 --> 01:39:05,947
Speaker 6: England just demonstrated that you cannot take them, you can't

1884
01:39:05,947 --> 01:39:09,547
Speaker 6: be completed against them. I think complacency is a big

1885
01:39:09,667 --> 01:39:11,787
Speaker 6: watch word for the Lions because yes, they'll be going

1886
01:39:11,867 --> 01:39:15,147
Speaker 6: down Under. But Joe Schmid is one of the He's

1887
01:39:15,147 --> 01:39:19,347
Speaker 6: got one of the best tactical brains in the game,

1888
01:39:19,467 --> 01:39:22,027
Speaker 6: hasn't he. I just remember when he was back, you know,

1889
01:39:22,147 --> 01:39:24,387
Speaker 6: coaching the All Blacks against Ireland in the World Cup.

1890
01:39:24,787 --> 01:39:27,547
Speaker 6: Just how he unpicked them then, and I'm sure he'll

1891
01:39:27,587 --> 01:39:31,307
Speaker 6: have some tricks up his sleeve, particularly against Andy Farrell's

1892
01:39:31,627 --> 01:39:35,627
Speaker 6: Lions team as well. So tour victory first and foremost,

1893
01:39:35,947 --> 01:39:39,707
Speaker 6: that's what you want. If it's three mil, that's absolutely fantastic.

1894
01:39:39,827 --> 01:39:42,587
Speaker 6: But I don't think you can take anything for granted.

1895
01:39:42,707 --> 01:39:44,507
Speaker 6: That is certainly the message that Farrell is.

1896
01:39:44,507 --> 01:39:48,347
Speaker 3: Saying to mouthwatering prospect when this team, as you say,

1897
01:39:48,427 --> 01:39:51,667
Speaker 3: play Argentina first and then he'd down under for Australia. James,

1898
01:39:51,707 --> 01:39:53,987
Speaker 3: always appreciate your time and expertise. Thanks for joining us

1899
01:39:53,987 --> 01:39:54,867
Speaker 3: across New Zealanders.

1900
01:39:54,867 --> 01:39:57,507
Speaker 6: Always greatest, BG Chase, all the best now, all the best.

1901
01:39:57,387 --> 01:39:59,227
Speaker 3: To you too, mate. James Barridge there out of the

1902
01:39:59,307 --> 01:40:02,747
Speaker 3: BBC with a breakdown of the thirty eight man squad

1903
01:40:02,787 --> 01:40:07,227
Speaker 3: that's going to tour Australia. As you heard James mentioned there,

1904
01:40:07,267 --> 01:40:10,707
Speaker 3: they've got a game against the Argentinian side first before

1905
01:40:10,747 --> 01:40:13,587
Speaker 3: they come down and then you look at their schedule.

1906
01:40:13,667 --> 01:40:18,067
Speaker 3: That game against Argentina is on Saturday June twenty one,

1907
01:40:18,427 --> 01:40:20,907
Speaker 3: that's New Zealand time, seven in the morning. Then they

1908
01:40:21,027 --> 01:40:24,067
Speaker 3: come down to Australia. They take on the Force in

1909
01:40:24,307 --> 01:40:28,467
Speaker 3: Perth as their first game. Then they head across to

1910
01:40:28,987 --> 01:40:34,387
Speaker 3: Brisbane to take on the Reds. Then the war Tarzan, Sydney,

1911
01:40:34,427 --> 01:40:38,267
Speaker 3: the Brumbis and Camera, so they play all four Super

1912
01:40:38,347 --> 01:40:42,307
Speaker 3: Rugby sides. Then that Australia New Zealand Invitational side that

1913
01:40:42,427 --> 01:40:45,307
Speaker 3: we still don't really know the makeup of but looking

1914
01:40:45,347 --> 01:40:48,027
Speaker 3: forward to seeing a few non all black New Zealanders

1915
01:40:48,187 --> 01:40:52,027
Speaker 3: in that. And then it's into the Test matches, the

1916
01:40:52,067 --> 01:40:54,827
Speaker 3: first of which on the evening of Saturday July the

1917
01:40:54,987 --> 01:40:58,187
Speaker 3: nineteenth at sun Corps Stadium in Brisbane. Then they play

1918
01:40:58,307 --> 01:41:02,307
Speaker 3: First Nations and PACIFICA fifteen two or three days later.

1919
01:41:02,707 --> 01:41:06,787
Speaker 3: The second Test is at the MCG on night of

1920
01:41:06,827 --> 01:41:10,347
Speaker 3: Saturday July twenty sixth, and the tour wraps at a

1921
01:41:10,427 --> 01:41:14,787
Speaker 3: Core Stadium in Sydney on Saturday August the second look,

1922
01:41:14,827 --> 01:41:17,667
Speaker 3: I mean again, no skin in this game. I don't

1923
01:41:17,667 --> 01:41:19,987
Speaker 3: support Australia, I don't support the British and Irish lines,

1924
01:41:19,987 --> 01:41:22,107
Speaker 3: but goodness me, I'm in front of the TV for

1925
01:41:22,187 --> 01:41:24,827
Speaker 3: those games, and not just the Test matches but the

1926
01:41:24,867 --> 01:41:26,947
Speaker 3: other ones as well. You look at the British and

1927
01:41:26,987 --> 01:41:31,947
Speaker 3: Irish Lions touring side, especially in the backs cheap as

1928
01:41:31,987 --> 01:41:38,907
Speaker 3: there are some riches for Andy Farrell to select from. Joshman,

1929
01:41:38,947 --> 01:41:42,387
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll have some plans and les Kiss will

1930
01:41:42,427 --> 01:41:44,467
Speaker 3: be in and around no doubt super rugby.

1931
01:41:44,907 --> 01:41:45,027
Speaker 4: Well.

1932
01:41:45,067 --> 01:41:47,987
Speaker 3: I guess les Kiss will coach the Reds against the

1933
01:41:48,067 --> 01:41:50,107
Speaker 3: British and Irish Lions, but you'd have to think he'll start,

1934
01:41:50,147 --> 01:41:52,907
Speaker 3: won't he spending some time in and around the Wallabies

1935
01:41:53,227 --> 01:41:55,507
Speaker 3: set up given the fact he's taking over next year

1936
01:41:55,547 --> 01:41:59,307
Speaker 3: as head coach. A fascinating little battle. And then of

1937
01:41:59,387 --> 01:42:03,027
Speaker 3: course Australia will come into the Rugby Championship including the

1938
01:42:03,067 --> 01:42:07,627
Speaker 3: Bledisloe carp match hardened from these games. Will that make

1939
01:42:07,707 --> 01:42:12,827
Speaker 3: them a more dangerous opponent in the Bledisloe Cup this year?

1940
01:42:12,867 --> 01:42:15,427
Speaker 3: You would have to think the answer is probably yes.

1941
01:42:16,107 --> 01:42:18,507
Speaker 3: So we'll make sure across the next two or three

1942
01:42:18,507 --> 01:42:21,387
Speaker 3: months that we keep very close eyes on the British

1943
01:42:21,387 --> 01:42:23,867
Speaker 3: and Irish lines tour of Australia and how it relates

1944
01:42:24,227 --> 01:42:25,827
Speaker 3: to what's going to happen a bit later on in

1945
01:42:25,907 --> 01:42:29,427
Speaker 3: the year against the All Blacks two twenty six. That

1946
01:42:29,587 --> 01:42:33,987
Speaker 3: game's over in Indianapolis. The Calves have held on. In fact,

1947
01:42:33,987 --> 01:42:36,467
Speaker 3: they've extended out one twenty six to one oh four.

1948
01:42:37,107 --> 01:42:40,427
Speaker 3: The Calves have got a game on the board in

1949
01:42:40,507 --> 01:42:44,027
Speaker 3: the semi final series. Indiana still lead to one game

1950
01:42:44,147 --> 01:42:47,747
Speaker 3: four in the next couple of days. And there's also

1951
01:42:48,387 --> 01:42:50,867
Speaker 3: some action this afternoon or a little bit later on shortly.

1952
01:42:50,867 --> 01:42:53,387
Speaker 3: In fact, they might have already got underway. Okay see,

1953
01:42:53,827 --> 01:42:55,787
Speaker 3: and the Nuggets were supposed to get underway tip off

1954
01:42:55,867 --> 01:42:57,907
Speaker 3: right now, Andy says, thank you. I just looked up

1955
01:42:57,907 --> 01:42:59,907
Speaker 3: at the screen. Do they I presume they wait? Do

1956
01:43:00,027 --> 01:43:01,667
Speaker 3: they Andy that they wait? Is it one of those

1957
01:43:01,707 --> 01:43:04,947
Speaker 3: where they don't start game two until the first games?

1958
01:43:05,027 --> 01:43:05,547
Speaker 3: Believe it or not?

1959
01:43:05,707 --> 01:43:05,747
Speaker 4: Not?

1960
01:43:05,867 --> 01:43:06,107
Speaker 7: Usually?

1961
01:43:06,147 --> 01:43:06,307
Speaker 2: Pye.

1962
01:43:06,947 --> 01:43:09,507
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought that the NBA had the power to decide,

1963
01:43:09,547 --> 01:43:13,507
Speaker 3: but apparently not. Okay, Well, it's worked out well, hasn't it.

1964
01:43:13,907 --> 01:43:15,987
Speaker 3: We'll just finished one game and the second one is underway.

1965
01:43:16,227 --> 01:43:19,347
Speaker 3: Okay see, and the Nuggets at Ball Arena and Denver.

1966
01:43:20,027 --> 01:43:21,787
Speaker 3: The series is tied up at one apiece, so a

1967
01:43:21,827 --> 01:43:26,067
Speaker 3: pretty crucial Game three has just gotten underway, Well take

1968
01:43:26,107 --> 01:43:28,747
Speaker 3: a break, come back. Nick Becker, CEO of Auckland f C,

1969
01:43:28,907 --> 01:43:32,387
Speaker 3: is with us on the decision, which I'm sure pleases

1970
01:43:32,467 --> 01:43:35,587
Speaker 3: them greatly that if Aukland FC make the Grand Final

1971
01:43:36,427 --> 01:43:38,267
Speaker 3: in the A League Men's Competition, it'll be at go

1972
01:43:38,427 --> 01:43:41,027
Speaker 3: Media Stadium. How do they pull this off? Nick Becker?

1973
01:43:41,067 --> 01:43:41,387
Speaker 3: After this.

1974
01:43:42,907 --> 01:43:46,347
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields Call oh eight

1975
01:43:46,427 --> 01:43:49,387
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

1976
01:43:49,147 --> 01:43:50,187
Speaker 2: Paine and GJ.

1977
01:43:50,347 --> 01:43:53,427
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's first trusted home Milder.

1978
01:43:53,267 --> 01:43:56,827
Speaker 3: News Talk two thirty Monsters on text Pinety. What happens

1979
01:43:57,147 --> 01:44:00,147
Speaker 3: if Razor loses the blood of Slow Carp and the

1980
01:44:00,187 --> 01:44:02,467
Speaker 3: All Blacks to lose to South Africa at Eden Park

1981
01:44:02,547 --> 01:44:06,747
Speaker 3: this year. I think it's highly likely, Sismus. I guess

1982
01:44:06,907 --> 01:44:10,587
Speaker 3: like it would spell probably a rather disappointing rugby year.

1983
01:44:11,467 --> 01:44:13,627
Speaker 3: I think, okay, let's break it down into two parts.

1984
01:44:13,627 --> 01:44:16,267
Speaker 3: The Bledislow Cup. I think in New Zealand's favor and look,

1985
01:44:16,307 --> 01:44:19,187
Speaker 3: I still back us to beat Australia every time we

1986
01:44:19,267 --> 01:44:22,947
Speaker 3: play them home or away. But I think in our

1987
01:44:22,987 --> 01:44:24,907
Speaker 3: favor in terms of the Bledisloe Cup this year is

1988
01:44:24,947 --> 01:44:27,707
Speaker 3: that the first test is at home and remembering, of course,

1989
01:44:27,707 --> 01:44:30,027
Speaker 3: Australia have to win both if they are to take

1990
01:44:30,067 --> 01:44:33,787
Speaker 3: the Bledisloe Cup. Only two Test matches this year. The

1991
01:44:33,827 --> 01:44:36,027
Speaker 3: first one is in Auckland on September twenty seven, a

1992
01:44:36,107 --> 01:44:41,067
Speaker 3: week later in Perth. So provided New Zealand don't lose

1993
01:44:41,147 --> 01:44:42,667
Speaker 3: the first tear, oh sorry, they've got to win it.

1994
01:44:42,867 --> 01:44:44,787
Speaker 3: Provided New Zealand win the first Test and even Park

1995
01:44:44,827 --> 01:44:47,227
Speaker 3: on the twenty seventh of September, the Bledislow Cup is

1996
01:44:47,267 --> 01:44:50,267
Speaker 3: locked away. As far as the South African Test is concerned,

1997
01:44:50,947 --> 01:44:55,787
Speaker 3: that will be an absolutely titanic battle on Saturday September sixth.

1998
01:44:56,307 --> 01:44:57,947
Speaker 3: I feel like you need to put a ring around

1999
01:44:58,027 --> 01:45:01,267
Speaker 3: that date now, because you know what happens, right, it's

2000
01:45:01,307 --> 01:45:03,147
Speaker 3: so far into the future that things get you know,

2001
01:45:03,667 --> 01:45:05,667
Speaker 3: you forget. Oh that's far enough way, I'll worry about

2002
01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:07,787
Speaker 3: that when it gets closer. You need to make sure

2003
01:45:09,267 --> 01:45:12,467
Speaker 3: that nothing is going to encumber you on that night,

2004
01:45:12,987 --> 01:45:15,107
Speaker 3: that a plan is going to be made for a

2005
01:45:15,227 --> 01:45:18,867
Speaker 3: family gathering or or a dinner party or something that

2006
01:45:18,987 --> 01:45:22,467
Speaker 3: can take your focus away from the all Blacks against

2007
01:45:22,467 --> 01:45:27,147
Speaker 3: the spring Box, because it's going to be a cracker

2008
01:45:27,227 --> 01:45:31,027
Speaker 3: right Eden Park fifty plus test matches without defeat there

2009
01:45:31,067 --> 01:45:33,747
Speaker 3: for the All Blacks South Africa, number one team in

2010
01:45:33,787 --> 01:45:37,707
Speaker 3: the world Rugby World Cup holders come into the Garden

2011
01:45:37,747 --> 01:45:41,747
Speaker 3: of Eden to try and win there. Saturday, September sixth

2012
01:45:42,547 --> 01:45:45,947
Speaker 3: is the date of that test. Don't say I didn't

2013
01:45:45,987 --> 01:45:48,827
Speaker 3: warn you. I will continue to remind you over the

2014
01:45:48,867 --> 01:45:50,907
Speaker 3: next little while. And actually what we need to do.

2015
01:45:51,187 --> 01:45:52,147
Speaker 3: We did this last year.

2016
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:53,827
Speaker 2: We got.

2017
01:45:55,467 --> 01:45:58,587
Speaker 3: Scott Robertson on the show, didn't we when he just

2018
01:45:58,707 --> 01:46:00,507
Speaker 3: named as All black Side. We went out to Upper

2019
01:46:00,587 --> 01:46:04,307
Speaker 3: Hut where they were training at the brilliant New Zealand

2020
01:46:04,347 --> 01:46:07,307
Speaker 3: Campus of Innovation in Sport and spend an hour with us.

2021
01:46:07,347 --> 01:46:09,147
Speaker 3: Should we see if he can do that again at some.

2022
01:46:09,227 --> 01:46:11,827
Speaker 20: Stage, Jason, I don't want to reveal any secrets, but

2023
01:46:11,907 --> 01:46:15,227
Speaker 20: let's just say the wheels are in motion as we speak,

2024
01:46:15,307 --> 01:46:16,347
Speaker 20: already in motion, mate.

2025
01:46:16,627 --> 01:46:19,507
Speaker 3: Good, don't think too much on it. Just focus on

2026
01:46:19,587 --> 01:46:22,187
Speaker 3: the show, all right. I'm not even doing a very

2027
01:46:22,187 --> 01:46:24,587
Speaker 3: good job of that, but yeah, thank all.

2028
01:46:24,667 --> 01:46:24,827
Speaker 11: Good.

2029
01:46:24,987 --> 01:46:26,787
Speaker 3: Good to know, good to know that. Hopefully we'll get

2030
01:46:26,787 --> 01:46:29,627
Speaker 3: another hour with Razor at some stage. Thanks Andy, that's

2031
01:46:29,627 --> 01:46:31,547
Speaker 3: why you're doing the job that you're doing, an award

2032
01:46:31,587 --> 01:46:35,307
Speaker 3: winning fashion I'll just keep talking Auckland FC. We'll stay

2033
01:46:35,587 --> 01:46:38,187
Speaker 3: at go Media Stadium rather than move to Eden Park

2034
01:46:38,707 --> 01:46:42,467
Speaker 3: for the A League Men's Final series. Discussions were ongoing

2035
01:46:43,187 --> 01:46:47,547
Speaker 3: over whether Auckland f C would shift to a bigger venue,

2036
01:46:48,147 --> 01:46:50,627
Speaker 3: but the governing body, the APL, which takes the gate,

2037
01:46:51,027 --> 01:46:54,307
Speaker 3: has opted to put an extra seating at go Media.

2038
01:46:54,467 --> 01:46:57,547
Speaker 3: So an additional two thousand, seven hundred seats are going

2039
01:46:57,587 --> 01:46:59,907
Speaker 3: to be added to the north end for the home

2040
01:47:00,027 --> 01:47:03,147
Speaker 3: semi final, which is a fortnight tonight, and a further

2041
01:47:03,307 --> 01:47:06,267
Speaker 3: eight hundred seats will be added if the club qualify

2042
01:47:06,507 --> 01:47:10,107
Speaker 3: for the Grand Final. But Eden Park is off the table.

2043
01:47:10,187 --> 01:47:13,747
Speaker 3: Now all remaining Auckland f C games at home the

2044
01:47:13,867 --> 01:47:16,107
Speaker 3: home semi final and if they make it, the Grand

2045
01:47:16,147 --> 01:47:20,547
Speaker 3: final will be at go Media Stadium. Auckland f C

2046
01:47:20,747 --> 01:47:23,147
Speaker 3: CEO Nick Becker is with us. First of all, Nick,

2047
01:47:23,387 --> 01:47:25,707
Speaker 3: good to chat to. It was always how pleased are

2048
01:47:25,747 --> 01:47:26,627
Speaker 3: you with this outcome?

2049
01:47:27,507 --> 01:47:30,027
Speaker 11: Oh, it's a great result for us Piney, It's what

2050
01:47:30,107 --> 01:47:32,067
Speaker 11: we were pushing for. It's where we want to play,

2051
01:47:32,107 --> 01:47:35,307
Speaker 11: it's our home ground. We've had a great first season

2052
01:47:35,867 --> 01:47:38,227
Speaker 11: at go Media. The fans love it, the players love it,

2053
01:47:38,347 --> 01:47:40,987
Speaker 11: and we really didn't want to give up that homeground

2054
01:47:40,987 --> 01:47:42,747
Speaker 11: advantage if we'd moved to Eden Park.

2055
01:47:42,827 --> 01:47:44,587
Speaker 10: So yeah, for us, it's a fantastic result.

2056
01:47:44,907 --> 01:47:48,547
Speaker 3: How did you convince the APL to forego the extra

2057
01:47:48,707 --> 01:47:51,387
Speaker 3: revenue they would have got from having the Grand Final

2058
01:47:51,387 --> 01:47:53,267
Speaker 3: if you were to make it at Eden Park.

2059
01:47:54,627 --> 01:47:56,667
Speaker 11: I'd like to think it was solely down to my

2060
01:47:56,787 --> 01:47:59,307
Speaker 11: negotiation skills, but there's a few things that at play.

2061
01:48:00,547 --> 01:48:03,467
Speaker 11: We obviously, I mean, the ALEAGU were really good in

2062
01:48:03,627 --> 01:48:06,227
Speaker 11: terms of working with us to kind of take on

2063
01:48:06,387 --> 01:48:08,107
Speaker 11: our preference and listen to our.

2064
01:48:08,347 --> 01:48:11,907
Speaker 10: At where we put our case forward. It was also.

2065
01:48:13,507 --> 01:48:17,027
Speaker 11: Helpful that the Eden Park wasn't available on Saturday thirty first,

2066
01:48:17,107 --> 01:48:20,947
Speaker 11: so Eden Park had I think they've got a Blues

2067
01:48:20,987 --> 01:48:23,427
Speaker 11: game on as they could only offer this Sunday the first,

2068
01:48:23,547 --> 01:48:26,827
Speaker 11: so I think broadcast, you know, sort of preference in

2069
01:48:26,867 --> 01:48:28,987
Speaker 11: that type of thing play a factor as well, but

2070
01:48:29,787 --> 01:48:31,787
Speaker 11: fair play to day. They came to us right at

2071
01:48:31,787 --> 01:48:34,307
Speaker 11: the start and said for your semi final, you know

2072
01:48:34,387 --> 01:48:35,787
Speaker 11: what is your preference in stadium.

2073
01:48:36,227 --> 01:48:38,147
Speaker 10: We said it was definitely GOVID and they agreed to

2074
01:48:38,227 --> 01:48:38,827
Speaker 10: that from the start.

2075
01:48:38,907 --> 01:48:41,627
Speaker 11: So it was really only a conversation around the Grand

2076
01:48:41,667 --> 01:48:43,067
Speaker 11: Final if it takes place in Auckland.

2077
01:48:43,547 --> 01:48:45,787
Speaker 3: They could have gone for the Sunday, couldn't they. There's

2078
01:48:45,827 --> 01:48:48,067
Speaker 3: nothing to stop them. The Grand Final has been on

2079
01:48:48,307 --> 01:48:51,187
Speaker 3: a Sunday in the past due to the Grand availability

2080
01:48:51,267 --> 01:48:54,387
Speaker 3: whatever it is. Did it ever feel during your discussions

2081
01:48:54,827 --> 01:48:57,027
Speaker 3: as though they were leaning that way that they really

2082
01:48:57,107 --> 01:48:58,587
Speaker 3: wanted to get to a bigger venue.

2083
01:48:59,667 --> 01:49:02,427
Speaker 11: I mean, they definitely did their judaistence on boat and

2084
01:49:02,547 --> 01:49:03,747
Speaker 11: I think at the end it was a bit of

2085
01:49:03,787 --> 01:49:07,947
Speaker 11: a captain's call from the chair of the APL who

2086
01:49:08,067 --> 01:49:11,827
Speaker 11: sort of, you know, knows how important it was to us,

2087
01:49:11,907 --> 01:49:15,427
Speaker 11: but also knows how much of a fantastic football ground

2088
01:49:15,787 --> 01:49:16,427
Speaker 11: Go Media is.

2089
01:49:16,507 --> 01:49:18,867
Speaker 10: You know, like sort of every seat in that stadium

2090
01:49:18,987 --> 01:49:20,187
Speaker 10: is right on top of the pitch.

2091
01:49:20,267 --> 01:49:22,907
Speaker 11: It really does feel like a football ground where it's

2092
01:49:23,067 --> 01:49:24,827
Speaker 11: a little bit of a different I mean, Impark's a

2093
01:49:24,867 --> 01:49:28,027
Speaker 11: great stadium and you know, a fantastic plays and many

2094
01:49:28,067 --> 01:49:30,667
Speaker 11: great sporting matches have taken place there.

2095
01:49:30,507 --> 01:49:33,187
Speaker 10: But it's got a different vibe to what Go Media is.

2096
01:49:33,587 --> 01:49:35,587
Speaker 3: And how much do you think what you've created at

2097
01:49:35,667 --> 01:49:39,147
Speaker 3: go Media this season with average crowds of over eighteen thousand,

2098
01:49:39,667 --> 01:49:42,067
Speaker 3: the scenes on television, which of course get beamed across

2099
01:49:42,107 --> 01:49:43,987
Speaker 3: the task and to the powers that be they see

2100
01:49:44,387 --> 01:49:47,147
Speaker 3: the occasion that's created. How much do you think that

2101
01:49:47,387 --> 01:49:49,747
Speaker 3: played into this whole discussion as well, what they've already

2102
01:49:49,787 --> 01:49:51,907
Speaker 3: seen and what they are going to see over the

2103
01:49:51,987 --> 01:49:52,627
Speaker 3: next month or so.

2104
01:49:53,627 --> 01:49:55,627
Speaker 11: Oh, that was a huge part of it, and that

2105
01:49:55,747 --> 01:49:57,667
Speaker 11: was very much at the core of our argument as well.

2106
01:49:57,867 --> 01:49:59,747
Speaker 11: We kind of talked to them about two things. One

2107
01:49:59,747 --> 01:50:02,307
Speaker 11: of the players and how they wanted to have their

2108
01:50:02,387 --> 01:50:05,867
Speaker 11: home ground advantage, but more importantly, or just as importantly,

2109
01:50:05,947 --> 01:50:08,387
Speaker 11: the you know that the fact that the fans have

2110
01:50:08,547 --> 01:50:10,867
Speaker 11: just taken to it in our first season so quickly,

2111
01:50:11,067 --> 01:50:12,187
Speaker 11: with such you know, sort.

2112
01:50:12,067 --> 01:50:13,387
Speaker 10: Of fantastic support.

2113
01:50:13,467 --> 01:50:15,787
Speaker 11: You know, we'll have by the time the final series

2114
01:50:16,067 --> 01:50:19,387
Speaker 11: is finished, to be over three hundred thousand orkandf C.

2115
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Speaker 10: Fans have come through the gates.

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Speaker 11: So an amazing response from all of Auckland and the

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Speaker 11: football community here, but just the wider city as well.

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Speaker 11: I've already got behind us, and it was sort of like,

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Speaker 11: you know, go media has been that the place all season.

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Speaker 11: It felt like change at last minute would kind of

2121
01:50:35,507 --> 01:50:38,187
Speaker 11: create a whole different, a whole different feeling to the

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01:50:38,267 --> 01:50:41,827
Speaker 11: game and the series and the apl daily They understood that.

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Speaker 3: So you're adding an extra twenty seven hundred seats to

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Speaker 3: the north end. That's the giant slide end for your

2125
01:50:48,147 --> 01:50:51,427
Speaker 3: home semi vinyl. How big are logistical exercise is that.

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Speaker 10: They started building them already, so they've gone.

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Speaker 11: And it does mean that the only I guess the

2128
01:50:58,467 --> 01:51:02,307
Speaker 11: opportunity cost is we won't have our family fans owned.

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01:51:02,347 --> 01:51:04,987
Speaker 11: But the game on Saturday to twenty fourth, our home

2130
01:51:05,027 --> 01:51:07,507
Speaker 11: Seri final does actually kick off bit later, and I

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01:51:07,547 --> 01:51:10,867
Speaker 11: think the sense of occasion of hosting a semi final

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01:51:10,907 --> 01:51:12,827
Speaker 11: makes up for the fact that we lose our as

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Speaker 11: you say, our giants slide down the hill, any of

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01:51:14,947 --> 01:51:16,747
Speaker 11: the house that's been such a success at that.

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Speaker 10: End, and then I think so it goes in. I

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01:51:19,987 --> 01:51:21,027
Speaker 10: think it's around about.

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Speaker 11: Brings the capacity to about nearly twenty eight thousand, and then,

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Speaker 11: as you said earlier in your intro, if we go

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Speaker 11: through the grand final, or when we go through the

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Speaker 11: Grand Final, it'll be up to close to twenty nine thousand.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. So the semi final, will you find out tonight

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01:51:35,707 --> 01:51:38,787
Speaker 3: who you're going to be playing home and away? Are

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01:51:38,827 --> 01:51:41,627
Speaker 3: you expecting a sellout for your semi final? Your home

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Speaker 3: semi two weeks tonight.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we've gone on sale. There's

2146
01:51:46,867 --> 01:51:49,587
Speaker 11: been an exclusive window for Orkan the CE members this week.

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01:51:49,707 --> 01:51:52,187
Speaker 11: We've sold you know sort of I think north of

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01:51:52,267 --> 01:51:53,907
Speaker 11: six thousand tickets already.

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01:51:54,067 --> 01:51:56,427
Speaker 10: So it goes on general sale early next week. I

2150
01:51:56,467 --> 01:51:59,827
Speaker 10: believe it's Tuesday, and I would say that's going to

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01:51:59,827 --> 01:52:02,147
Speaker 10: set up pretty quickly. I'd be amazed if a week

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01:52:02,227 --> 01:52:03,427
Speaker 10: later there were still tickets left.

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Speaker 11: So we're expecting a full house at the semi final

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01:52:06,587 --> 01:52:10,307
Speaker 11: and you know, whether it's Western Sydney or Melvin, Victory

2155
01:52:10,427 --> 01:52:11,547
Speaker 11: will be ready for either team.

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01:52:11,787 --> 01:52:12,747
Speaker 3: Do you have a preference?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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01:52:14,627 --> 01:52:17,867
Speaker 11: Well, we we we played I mean out of if

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01:52:17,907 --> 01:52:19,987
Speaker 11: you just go on recent results, you know we had

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Speaker 11: already I think one of our best performance of the

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01:52:22,987 --> 01:52:24,587
Speaker 11: season over in Melbourne.

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Speaker 10: We beat them to it and that pretty much secured

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01:52:27,507 --> 01:52:29,147
Speaker 10: us the premiership.

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Speaker 11: So you know, they kind of We've definitely got a

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Speaker 11: bit of a psychological advantage there from that game. But

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Speaker 11: you know, you know the old the old cliche of

2167
01:52:37,707 --> 01:52:40,707
Speaker 11: you've got to beat every team, right, and we we

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Speaker 11: we know that we've done the preparation this season. We

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01:52:43,107 --> 01:52:46,027
Speaker 11: know that we can beat anyone in the Who's Who's

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Speaker 11: remaining in the competition. We've beating every team. Is actually

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01:52:48,667 --> 01:52:50,947
Speaker 11: only Adelaide who went out last night, who we hadn't

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01:52:50,987 --> 01:52:53,587
Speaker 11: notched up a victory against this season. So you know

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01:52:53,627 --> 01:52:56,907
Speaker 11: we've beaten the Wanderers, we've beaten victory. We know we

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Speaker 11: can do it and it's just up to the boys now.

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Speaker 3: Indeed it as well, you'll know that regardless of who

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01:53:02,147 --> 01:53:05,187
Speaker 3: you play, it'll be at your at your physical home,

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Speaker 3: your spiritual home of Media Stadium. So two weeks tonight

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Speaker 3: the home part of the semi final, negotiate that and

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Speaker 3: through to the Grand Final on the Saturday night of

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Speaker 3: King's Birthday weekend. Nick, I think you underplayed it. I

2181
01:53:16,067 --> 01:53:19,467
Speaker 3: think your negotiation skills would have played a big part here.

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01:53:19,747 --> 01:53:21,147
Speaker 3: You're probably being a bit humble.

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Speaker 10: Well yeah, well, Liz, I'll go with you on that.

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01:53:26,987 --> 01:53:29,107
Speaker 3: All right, That great the chat has always We'll see

2185
01:53:29,107 --> 01:53:29,707
Speaker 3: you soon.

2186
01:53:30,987 --> 01:53:31,147
Speaker 10: Soon.

2187
01:53:31,787 --> 01:53:35,227
Speaker 3: Thanks Nickpicker, the CEO of Auckland FC. Yeah, that's by

2188
01:53:35,307 --> 01:53:37,907
Speaker 3: far the best result. You know, moving it to Eden

2189
01:53:37,947 --> 01:53:39,707
Speaker 3: Park would have been you know well, first of all,

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01:53:39,747 --> 01:53:43,067
Speaker 3: it would have taken away any real semblance of home

2191
01:53:43,147 --> 01:53:48,107
Speaker 3: advantage for Auckland FC. And second of all it's i mean,

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01:53:48,467 --> 01:53:50,827
Speaker 3: go Media. Is such a much better stadium to watch

2193
01:53:50,867 --> 01:53:55,627
Speaker 3: a game of rectangular field sport, isn't it? Ton Park?

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01:53:55,667 --> 01:53:57,187
Speaker 3: Look I like Eden Park and I was mentioned before.

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01:53:57,187 --> 01:53:58,907
Speaker 3: You know that all Black stests against that is gonna

2196
01:53:58,907 --> 01:54:02,427
Speaker 3: be magnificent. But you're so far back. You're so far back.

2197
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Speaker 3: It's the right decision. Good to know that it's going

2198
01:54:05,147 --> 01:54:07,347
Speaker 3: to be made. We'll find out tonight who Auckland FC

2199
01:54:07,467 --> 01:54:12,067
Speaker 3: will play when the Western Sydney Wanderers host Melbourne victory.

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01:54:12,347 --> 01:54:14,787
Speaker 3: Winner of that goes into the semi final home and

2201
01:54:14,787 --> 01:54:18,987
Speaker 3: away against Auckland FC. Vicky says Jason. I'd be interested

2202
01:54:19,027 --> 01:54:21,267
Speaker 3: to know who you think or who would prefer Auckland

2203
01:54:21,427 --> 01:54:24,907
Speaker 3: SAID to play if they make the finals. I'm thrilled

2204
01:54:24,947 --> 01:54:27,747
Speaker 3: we won't meet Western United, says Vicky until we meet

2205
01:54:27,787 --> 01:54:29,387
Speaker 3: in the Grand final, because they seem to have got

2206
01:54:29,387 --> 01:54:31,587
Speaker 3: the measure of us. What are your thoughts are Vicky? Yep,

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01:54:31,627 --> 01:54:33,827
Speaker 3: good point. Western United have beat in Auckland f C

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01:54:33,987 --> 01:54:39,707
Speaker 3: twice home and away of the two tonight Western Sydney

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Speaker 3: and Melbourne victory. I think I would if I was

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01:54:42,747 --> 01:54:44,947
Speaker 3: Auckland f C and I had my choice, I think

2211
01:54:44,987 --> 01:54:50,747
Speaker 3: I would prefer to play Melbourne victory. Wasn't that long

2212
01:54:50,787 --> 01:54:53,947
Speaker 3: ago middle of April that they went to Melbourne and

2213
01:54:54,147 --> 01:54:56,547
Speaker 3: won two nil over there. Now the semi final is

2214
01:54:56,547 --> 01:54:58,867
Speaker 3: a home and away, it's a two legged proposition. So

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Speaker 3: if they could go to Melbourne and went over there,

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01:55:01,347 --> 01:55:03,467
Speaker 3: even a drawer over there, they'd backed themselves to come

2217
01:55:03,547 --> 01:55:06,187
Speaker 3: home and complete the job at home. Western Sydney just

2218
01:55:06,347 --> 01:55:11,507
Speaker 3: seem to me to have more game breakers, more dangerous players. Yes,

2219
01:55:11,867 --> 01:55:15,067
Speaker 3: Auckland FC have beaten them as well over there, but

2220
01:55:15,347 --> 01:55:17,347
Speaker 3: I think if I had my choice, I'd go for

2221
01:55:17,427 --> 01:55:20,507
Speaker 3: the I'd go for Melbourne victory. Western Sydney just seem

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01:55:20,547 --> 01:55:23,867
Speaker 3: a much more dangerous proposition at the moment. We can

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01:55:23,907 --> 01:55:26,427
Speaker 3: talk more about this tomorrow. Once we know who Auckland

2224
01:55:26,467 --> 01:55:28,227
Speaker 3: f C Are playing, we will We'll have a chat

2225
01:55:28,267 --> 01:55:30,667
Speaker 3: about it tomorrow to see how they match up against.

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01:55:31,227 --> 01:55:34,747
Speaker 3: By then we will know who they are playing. Eighteen

2227
01:55:34,827 --> 01:55:37,467
Speaker 3: away from three when we come back. The Black Ferns

2228
01:55:37,507 --> 01:55:39,787
Speaker 3: in action for the first time in twenty twenty five

2229
01:55:40,267 --> 01:55:42,387
Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup to defend at the end of this year.

2230
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Speaker 3: They will take on Australia this afternoon in Newcastle. Taylor

2231
01:55:46,467 --> 01:55:48,507
Speaker 3: Johnson going to preview that for us when we come back.

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Speaker 3: Two forty five, the Black Ferns rode to the year's

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2238
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Speaker 3: the Pacific Four Series at McDonald Jones Day, Newcastle, the

2239
01:56:07,627 --> 01:56:09,667
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2244
01:56:22,547 --> 01:56:25,267
Speaker 3: us to preview this one. All things being equaled, Taylor,

2245
01:56:25,787 --> 01:56:28,507
Speaker 3: the Black Ferns should win this game fairly comfortably. So

2246
01:56:28,627 --> 01:56:30,787
Speaker 3: what are you wanting to see from the team in

2247
01:56:30,867 --> 01:56:32,827
Speaker 3: their first test of such a big year.

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01:56:33,707 --> 01:56:33,907
Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, I mean the twenty seven and zero against the

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Speaker 21: Australians for a reason. You know, they're full time professionals

2251
01:56:41,707 --> 01:56:43,747
Speaker 21: and the Australians are part time, and so really they

2252
01:56:43,787 --> 01:56:45,667
Speaker 21: should blow them out of the park and I think

2253
01:56:46,067 --> 01:56:50,507
Speaker 21: score anything less than thirty plass will be concerning for

2254
01:56:51,027 --> 01:56:53,147
Speaker 21: the Black Ferns. I think just what we need to

2255
01:56:53,187 --> 01:56:55,947
Speaker 21: see as a real dominant performance, We actually need to

2256
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Speaker 21: see them really give it to the Australians because you know,

2257
01:56:58,707 --> 01:57:02,267
Speaker 21: to break the OPA key. The first round was there

2258
01:57:02,347 --> 01:57:04,667
Speaker 21: was big blowout scores and we didn't really get much

2259
01:57:04,707 --> 01:57:07,107
Speaker 21: of a competition going until the latter stages. And I

2260
01:57:07,267 --> 01:57:10,627
Speaker 21: just think every person that wears the black jersey today

2261
01:57:11,467 --> 01:57:13,187
Speaker 21: needs to stamp their mark because not only do we

2262
01:57:13,227 --> 01:57:15,267
Speaker 21: want to seek a performance from them, but there's a

2263
01:57:15,307 --> 01:57:17,867
Speaker 21: lot of women that missed out on that team and

2264
01:57:17,987 --> 01:57:20,347
Speaker 21: there's still quite a few sevens ladies to come in too,

2265
01:57:20,507 --> 01:57:23,627
Speaker 21: so it's a big game all round for everyone. But

2266
01:57:24,027 --> 01:57:25,827
Speaker 21: from that I like to see the connections. I really

2267
01:57:25,867 --> 01:57:29,387
Speaker 21: want to see that connection at half back as well.

2268
01:57:29,427 --> 01:57:32,387
Speaker 21: As we threw a hates to Matt obviously because last

2269
01:57:32,467 --> 01:57:34,147
Speaker 21: year we saw her a lot in the midfield, but

2270
01:57:34,267 --> 01:57:36,747
Speaker 21: she has to make way in the midfield for the

2271
01:57:36,907 --> 01:57:40,187
Speaker 21: likes of Jerusa Fitzpatrick and Stacey Waker that are coming back,

2272
01:57:40,507 --> 01:57:43,467
Speaker 21: but also Amy Duplassy and silver A but are just

2273
01:57:43,587 --> 01:57:45,547
Speaker 21: as good, so there's there's cleaning a look at I

2274
01:57:45,587 --> 01:57:49,347
Speaker 21: think the biggest surprise for me. We're seeing Kanya colne

2275
01:57:49,427 --> 01:57:53,187
Speaker 21: Valier get the start, not against it whatsoever, but interestingly,

2276
01:57:53,387 --> 01:57:55,667
Speaker 21: you know the Chief's manner while she just wasn't being selected,

2277
01:57:56,147 --> 01:57:58,187
Speaker 21: and so she's gone into the Black Friends camp and

2278
01:57:58,227 --> 01:58:00,787
Speaker 21: shared away to trusted her with that starting jersey. So

2279
01:58:00,907 --> 01:58:02,667
Speaker 21: that's a real big one for me. I'm really interested

2280
01:58:02,707 --> 01:58:03,547
Speaker 21: to see how she goes.

2281
01:58:04,307 --> 01:58:08,267
Speaker 3: And it's at the back end. One debutante in the

2282
01:58:08,347 --> 01:58:13,387
Speaker 3: fifteen Jersey teenager Braxton Sorenson McGhee man, she's been turning hairs.

2283
01:58:13,427 --> 01:58:16,107
Speaker 3: How do you evaluate her readiness to make the step

2284
01:58:16,187 --> 01:58:17,067
Speaker 3: up to test rugby.

2285
01:58:18,187 --> 01:58:21,347
Speaker 21: I remember when she made her Fire Apartment Cup debut,

2286
01:58:21,427 --> 01:58:24,707
Speaker 21: she'd only just turned sixteen, and our jaws are on

2287
01:58:24,787 --> 01:58:26,907
Speaker 21: the ground because we couldn't believe a young girl who

2288
01:58:26,947 --> 01:58:30,307
Speaker 21: played so cool, calm and collective was only year eleven

2289
01:58:30,387 --> 01:58:33,027
Speaker 21: at high school. And so to see her, you know,

2290
01:58:33,187 --> 01:58:36,347
Speaker 21: a couple of years later, it's Supragyopaki starting for the

2291
01:58:36,427 --> 01:58:41,987
Speaker 21: Blues and absolutely owning that jersey. I think she's going

2292
01:58:42,067 --> 01:58:44,907
Speaker 21: to do really well today. She is a really calm

2293
01:58:44,987 --> 01:58:47,347
Speaker 21: and collected person. When you talk to her, she's very humble,

2294
01:58:47,467 --> 01:58:51,787
Speaker 21: she's really focused as well. I think she's ready for

2295
01:58:51,947 --> 01:58:53,987
Speaker 21: this battle and it's a good thing that she's making

2296
01:58:54,067 --> 01:58:57,547
Speaker 21: her debut against a team like Australia. The challenging thing

2297
01:58:57,587 --> 01:58:59,667
Speaker 21: though is that they do have some really good backs,

2298
01:58:59,787 --> 01:59:02,467
Speaker 21: like the likes of Charlotte Kasick and Georgina Frederick's there

2299
01:59:02,547 --> 01:59:04,787
Speaker 21: and Desire Miller equally as well, who she would have

2300
01:59:04,867 --> 01:59:07,827
Speaker 21: came up against when the Warata Woman played the Blues.

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01:59:08,987 --> 01:59:10,507
Speaker 21: I think it's going to be a great challenge for her.

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Speaker 21: The only thing with Brackston is we don't often see

2303
01:59:13,267 --> 01:59:15,827
Speaker 21: her kick as much, so I think that's probably something

2304
01:59:15,907 --> 01:59:18,947
Speaker 21: that the Black Friends' coaching staff have got her to

2305
01:59:19,027 --> 01:59:20,867
Speaker 21: work on this week, and we'll get her to work

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01:59:20,907 --> 01:59:22,987
Speaker 21: on heading into that World Cup. Is just more of

2307
01:59:23,067 --> 01:59:25,387
Speaker 21: a kicking game because we know how elusive she is

2308
01:59:25,907 --> 01:59:27,907
Speaker 21: with ball in hand and as a running fifteen. But

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01:59:27,907 --> 01:59:30,667
Speaker 21: I would like to see her develop that kicking game, and.

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01:59:30,747 --> 01:59:34,587
Speaker 3: She's part of a tremendously exciting back three. When you're

2311
01:59:34,627 --> 01:59:39,107
Speaker 3: adding Caitlin Va Callll and Asha let the Eyinger, how

2312
01:59:39,227 --> 01:59:42,387
Speaker 3: tempting will it be for those you know in midfield

2313
01:59:42,427 --> 01:59:44,707
Speaker 3: and even my Joseph and Roy hate demonte just to

2314
01:59:44,787 --> 01:59:46,627
Speaker 3: get the ball out wide as quickly as they can.

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01:59:47,427 --> 01:59:49,547
Speaker 21: Yeah, and I think that's usually been the game plan

2316
01:59:49,667 --> 01:59:51,987
Speaker 21: right with the Black Friends, rightly or wrong, and sometimes

2317
01:59:52,027 --> 01:59:53,867
Speaker 21: frustrating me too, that they will just run it and

2318
01:59:53,947 --> 01:59:56,747
Speaker 21: get it wide when they're in there two and I

2319
01:59:56,787 --> 02:00:00,907
Speaker 21: think we'll see a lot of that today. Every single

2320
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Speaker 21: person in that back line is a threat. But equally,

2321
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Speaker 21: when you look at the foard pack, that loose trio

2322
02:00:06,467 --> 02:00:09,587
Speaker 21: is outstanding, kypel Olson Baker running off the back and

2323
02:00:09,667 --> 02:00:12,307
Speaker 21: then Kennedy took all off with Layla Stay and then

2324
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Speaker 21: you know, they're so good that they've had to push

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Speaker 21: Brimner up into the lock sce, you know, with all

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Speaker 21: the firepower that they do have, and to have someone

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Speaker 21: like Leanna mckelly to not even strip up for the

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Speaker 21: twenty three is big when you look at the competition

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Speaker 21: in the loose board game. So equally, like with the

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Speaker 21: with the All Blacks, the Black Friends is the loose

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Speaker 21: board trio. It's probably the toughest to pick.

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Speaker 3: And with just five matches before the World Cup, Taylor,

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Speaker 3: how much tinkering can Ellen Bunting afford to do as

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Speaker 3: opposed to giving his first choice combinations as much time

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Speaker 3: together as possible.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's the tough one, right. We've got such a

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Speaker 21: short lead up into the World Cup. You know, it's

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Speaker 21: only four test when you take out the internal one,

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Speaker 21: you know, against the Black Friends fifteen, and it's going

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Speaker 21: to be tough. And I think that's why he's made

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Speaker 21: some of those tough cause with you know, emitting you know,

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Speaker 21: Ruby Tilley and Rene Homes, because if these girls don't perform,

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Speaker 21: you know, if Braxton doesn't perform, he's got full face

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Speaker 21: that Rene Holmes has been there, done that and come

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Speaker 21: in beforehand. So I think that's part of the selection decisions.

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Speaker 21: But you can't think it too much, you know. I

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Speaker 21: think we're going to see the Black Friends sevens. Rest

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Speaker 21: of the contingent, like Georgia Miller and Stacey Wachu come

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Speaker 21: not next week but the week after, and so these

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Speaker 21: this test and next week's tests have gotten really, really big.

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Speaker 7: But you can't really.

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Speaker 21: Afford to tinker too much. I've been watching England and

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Speaker 21: France when I watched the final Six Nations game, and

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Speaker 21: the skill set was impeccable and they've all been playing

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Speaker 21: with each other for a long time. That's the benefit

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Speaker 21: of having that Six Nations competition. So if things aren't

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Speaker 21: working from game one, I don't think they've got time

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Speaker 21: to tinker. You know, if someone you know underperforms today,

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Speaker 21: I don't know if getting given an extra test is

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Speaker 21: going to do much because it's such a cut throat

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Speaker 21: environment heading into that World Cup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and such a big Yeah, Tayland start looking forward

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Speaker 3: to watching the Black Friends this afternoon and on towards

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Speaker 3: the world as well. Thank us so much for taking

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Speaker 3: the time to preview it for.

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Speaker 21: Us, no worries looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait me too, Thanks Taylor. Taylor Johnson There from

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Speaker 3: Skysport five o'clock this afternoon McDonald Jones Stadium in Newcastle.

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Speaker 3: It is our Black Ferns against the Wallaroos, first test

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Speaker 3: of a big, big rugby year for our top women's side.

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Speaker 3: Eight away from three News Talk.

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Speaker 1: SEB analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting

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Speaker 1: World Weekend Sport with Jason Hine.

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Speaker 2: They call O eight hundred and eighty eighty News Talks

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Speaker 2: MB five to three.

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Speaker 3: Goose says on texpiney we put a ring around September

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Speaker 3: the sixth last year, when it was announced book flights

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Speaker 3: in a hotel A year ago thankfully got tickets to

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Speaker 3: what will be the biggest game of forty in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand since Rugby World Cup final time twenty eleven. Thanks course, yep,

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Speaker 3: September six, Saturday, September six, I'll keep reminding you about it.

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Speaker 3: That's us on Weekend Sport Today. Huge night of sport

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Speaker 3: ahead including Chiefs, Crusaders and christ Church, The Warriors of

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Speaker 3: course in action as well the Black Ferns too, and

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Speaker 3: a little bit later on a league elimination finals. We're

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Speaker 3: going to cover it all off four tomorrow, so tomorrow

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Speaker 3: will be a big review show of everything that happens tonight.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening today, Huge thanks to Anna McDonald for

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Speaker 3: pulling the show together. What's our exit song today?

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Speaker 20: End year, Piney? This spand comes from your nick of

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Speaker 20: the Woods. I think actually Fat Freddy's drop Yes. Zella

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Speaker 20: Music Month obviously continuing, so I've gone with my favorite

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Speaker 20: song of theirs, Blackbird, to see us out.

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Speaker 3: It's a good choice. Thank you see tomorrow, folks.

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