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Speaker 1: So do we have trouble at the Ministerial Advisory Group

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Speaker 1: on Retail Crime. Three of the five members have quit recently,

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Speaker 1: at least one because you didn't get on with the

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Speaker 1: chair Paul Goldsmith, as Justice Minister and in chargeable of this,

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Speaker 1: he is with.

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Speaker 2: Us, Paul morning, good morning.

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Speaker 1: We got an issue here or not?

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Speaker 2: No total beat up. Two of the five have just

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Speaker 2: been promoted into higher jobs and they've had to do

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Speaker 2: other things. And yes you've got one who hasn't been happy.

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Speaker 2: But I think the group has been very productive. They

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Speaker 2: come up with ideas that about bringing back some order

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Speaker 2: onto our streets. They've come up with the ideas in

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Speaker 2: relation to citizens arrest powers, shoplifting, infringement regimes and strengthening

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Speaker 2: trespass laws. I'm happy with what they've done and I'm

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Speaker 2: keen to get some more out of it.

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Speaker 1: So this is just a personality thing with Carol and

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Speaker 1: young basically, well.

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Speaker 2: Look I don't know what her motivation is, but look,

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Speaker 2: look Sonny. Sonny is full on. He's an interesting character,

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Speaker 2: but he is absolutely fierce in defending the victims of crime,

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Speaker 2: particularly mum and dad shop owners who have been facing

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Speaker 2: violent crime for a long period of time, and I

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Speaker 2: brought him in precisely to be uncomfortable, because we'd had

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Speaker 2: six years under labor of kind of excuses for crime,

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Speaker 2: focus on the perpetrator, wasn't your faulter, was society's fault?

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Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff. And I wanted somebody who

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Speaker 2: was going to come and fight hard for those people

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Speaker 2: who are out there trying to make a living and

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Speaker 2: being attacked and beaten up, smashed over, and nobody caring

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Speaker 2: about them. And that's what he's done, and I'm very

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Speaker 2: pleased that he has.

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Speaker 1: I was told that Wally homerher casin Rich, those sort

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Speaker 1: of people were put forward as people in the know

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Speaker 1: and would be effective, and you rejected them in favor

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Speaker 1: of the two that you mentioned that have gone on

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Speaker 1: to hire jobs. Do you think you got the wrong

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Speaker 1: people in the wrong place.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no, I think they've been going well for forteen months.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you're sort of conscious, people move on,

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Speaker 2: they do different things, and so we'll have to decided

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Speaker 2: that the advisory group was supposed to wind up in

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Speaker 2: a few months time. I was going to take stock

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Speaker 2: at the moment and see.

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Speaker 1: What you well, it was that was my That was

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Speaker 1: my concluding question, why are we still I mean, come May,

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Speaker 1: it's two years. Retail crime is not the most complex

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Speaker 1: thing in the world. Haven't they done their job?

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Speaker 2: Well, they nearly have. I mean they've got some still

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Speaker 2: got some ideas that they're looking at around audio visual

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Speaker 2: sort of surveillance techniques and things, which has been a

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Speaker 2: bit of a debate in the privacy space, and I

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Speaker 2: want some advice from them on that. But they're nearly

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Speaker 2: done their business. So yeah, we'll take stock over the

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Speaker 2: next couple of months.

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Speaker 1: So appreciate time. Paul Goldsmith, who was the Justice Minister,

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Speaker 1: I think we got that sort of For more from

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